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172 day 2 dead men tell no lies

Posted May 6, 2013 by `Roxas`

A rather uneventful day, the town retires early for extra rest going into Day Two. But be forewarned, you won't all be seeing the light of day again!

1. chiefsonny
2. Redack
3. Count Dooku
4. hezekiah
5. Kyon
6. Yeano
7. Pirate_Ninja
8. Feral
9. Black Yoshi
10. Trever Leingod
11. white lancer
12. CtR Black
13. Kaotic
14. Jo Nathan
15. The Bandit
16. MajorasMask9
17. Female Alpha Wolf
18. Castrael
19. Apollo J-Money
20. Speed Bike Pro
21. Hindenburg

Starting Ratio:
15-6

Roles:
Governor, Cop, Vigilante, Sensor, Townie (x11)
Godfather, Assassin, Janitor, Mafioso (x3)

Action Priorities:
Cop Check
Mafia Kill
Assassin Kill
Vigilante Kill
Janitor Hide

Actions posted only before 1:40 (1340) EST will be accepted.

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Blood lined the streets as the town woke up from a short-lived Night.

The first body found was that of Trever Leingod, and a horrendous sight he was. One eye and his tongue missing, scorched skin, several severed digits and a pick ax rising from his chest, there was no hope for the once proud man to live. Without the guidance of the Governor, a new leader must rise to the occasion.

Found bound to a pole and several welts covering his body head to toe, hezekiah was merely food for the buzzards, pecking at his bloody body. Even a coyote managed to run off with his calf before the citizens arrived upon him. One Mafioso was down, but five members remained before the town could breathe easily again.

With two bodies discovered, there was one person still missing. Trying to keep their spirits up, the town decided that Feral had skipped town.

1. chiefsonny
2. Redack
3. Count Dooku
4. hezekiah - Mafioso
5. Kyon
6. Yeano
7. Pirate_Ninja
8. Feral - ???
9. Black Yoshi
10. Trever Leingod - Governor
11. white lancer
12. CtR Black
13. Kaotic
14. Jo Nathan
15. The Bandit
16. MajorasMask9
17. Female Alpha Wolf
18. Castrael
19. Apollo J-Money
20. Speed Bike Pro
21. Hindenburg

Starting Ratio:
15-6

Roles:
Cop, Vigilante, Sensor, Townie (x11)
Godfather, Assassin, Janitor, Mafioso (x2)

72 hours or 12 votes for the same option.

May 7, 2013
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`Roxas`

Wait, what? Does that mean Feral is out of the game?

May 7, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Rest in peace, darling Governor... May you find the peace that we must now fight to uphold... DIE MAFIA

May 7, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Feral has been eliminated, yes.

May 7, 2013
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`Roxas`

oh god they're all gone already

this is happening so fast

someone hold me

May 7, 2013
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Pirate_Ninja

I have to admit. I'm baffled.

There doesn't seem to have been any reason for anyone to kill any of the three people who died, but here we are.

I'll have to think about this a little more, but it seems like all the kills last night were randomly decided or something. At least, I can't find anything that makes Feral or Trever viable targets for the mafia or that makes hezekiah a viable target for the vigilante.

May 7, 2013
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Yeano

Wait, what? Does that mean Feral is out of the game?

The Mafia have a role called the Janitor, and his power is to make someone's body disappear so that their role isn't revealed if they're killed during the night. They must have selected Feral last night. Though if I had to guess, I'd say that Feral is probably just a normal Townie. Not only do the numbers make that far more likely, but we know the Assassin was active last night and I find it hard to believe they'd take a 1/15 shot at hitting a power role this early in the game. Feral was probably their target, although I suppose I'll have to go back and see if Trever dropped any hints that he might have been the Governor.

And did hezy even post in the last day round? Lucky break for us, I guess, though I'm not thrilled that the Vigilante decided to take such a shot. Like I said yesterday, it's better to vote people off than to have the Vig kill them, since the Vigilante kills don't get us any Sensor data.

May 7, 2013
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white lancer

Ahh, okay. Thank you white lancer {:D}

And I think hezekiah literally just said "hi" iirc.

May 7, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Added to my speculation on Feral's role, we know he's not the Governor and we know he's not the Vigilante (because the Vig kill is lower-priority). He could have been the Sensor or the Cop (which would suck royally), but again, that would mean that the Assassin took a HUGE risk. I'll have to look over Feral's posts as well, but it seems most likely that he's a vanilla Townie to me.

May 7, 2013
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white lancer

Game seems kinda unbalanced toward the Assassin, really. 11 townies to assassinate, and if he's wrong and gets revealed the remaining mafia know who a power role is. Probably fair to assume we'll lose two people per night.

May 7, 2013
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Count Dooku

Damn, that must have been the fastest night round I've ever seen. Usually with this many nocturnal power roles, the night rounds tend to take up most, if not all of the alotted twenty-four hours. This one took little more than six hours. The Mafia this game must be REALLY good...

That said, something chief said last round struck me as odd:

You're right. In fact I'm usually always against mass role claims and claiming to early.. I will explain why after the game.


(stated in response to me pointing out the abnormality of him claiming Townie so early on)

First off, why would he claim Townie so early? And secondly, claiming he'll explain why he's against mass roleclaims after the game...either he's avoiding breaking Lancer's new rules from last game or he's hinting at something...

May 7, 2013
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Black Yoshi

either he's avoiding breaking Lancer's new rules from last game


I hope that lancer will at least let me say this.

If he (lancer) will let me explain in this day thread I will. If not I will do so at the end of the game. To be honest, I started not to play and only did so to keep my record of games played. It's no longer about points.

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chiefsonny
 

Also where we got lucky was when the Vigilante got lucky with the hezy kill.

As I said b4 and I don't remember which game it was. At the very start of the game the Vigilante went on a killing spree and took out 2-3 townies b4 someone convinced him to cool it.

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chiefsonny
 

What the fuck @ this. I am baffled how both the Vigilante and Assassin could hit on their murders after just a single day. I guess some people are playing with the benefit of witchcraft.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

The Mafia are obviously a bunch of wild and crazy guys.

Maybe the GT coin toss worked this time?

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Female Alpha Wolf

@chief: If it's a specific criticism of the way this game is set up, I'd rather it be left until the end of the game (or the dead thread, if you wind up there). If it's not, and if you think it won't be a distraction for the game, fire away!

The Mafia this game must be REALLY good...

I'm not so sure that's what a fast night round means. I do think it means the Mafia are more likely to be active, but like Yeano said, the kills seem kinda random even after going through the last day round.

Feral apologizes for not talking, asks why people were voting 'no kill' when we had a Sensor, talks about Kaotic's account, and votes No Kill. 4 posts.

Trever posts a little more, but there's still not a whole lot to go off of with him. Most of his posts were joking or talking about the Day 1 issue that came up at the end of the last day. He does mention that the best power roles were in play, that the high number of Mafia was a little worrisome, and that while he didn't want to kill randomly, he would vote if he had suspicions so that we could get Sensor data. I don't see anything to indicate that he might be the Governor, and it's a stretch to think that he might be a power role based on his posts. I do, however, have to address this post of his:

No kill is an official vote not to kill anyone, not voting means you give up your vote completely for the day - so yes, it decreases the denominator.

Assuming I'm understanding what he meant by this, it is incorrect. Not Voting isn't really a vote at all, and it's not an indicator of an abstention because you can still vote at any time after you vote Not Voting. The number of people who have selected Not Voting has zero bearing on how many votes it would take to end the round--for example, no matter how many of us selected Not Voting this round, the votes required to end the round early would still be 12. The only reason we have a Not Voting option is so that people can withdraw their votes after they cast them without having to switch to another option.

Ahem. Anyway, the hezekiah kill is probably even more random than the other two. He made exactly one post (asking why we even have a Day 1 when nothing ever happens), and I find it pretty much impossible that anyone found him suspicious based on that. Probably either a random kill, or one based off of out-of-game communication or something.

So, yeah. I don't think we really get much info at all based on who was killed last night--I stand by my estimate that Feral was most likely a Townie, based largely on the observation Dooku made (of the large numbers of Townies vs. other roles), but that's by no means certain. I would like to cast a vote today, but I'd like to hear other people's input first.

May 7, 2013
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white lancer

I'll go back over what little material we have to go on and post my thoughts later tonight but I've been out of town since yesterday morning.

May 7, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

I'm here and reading the thread, I just have nothing to contribute. {y}

May 7, 2013
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The Bandit

The kills are random and I am guessing that 2-3 people are going to die every night now, so hold on to your asscheeks, ladies and gentlefolk.

May 7, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Grrr...damned glitch nerfed my reply. Long story short, some things Redack said last round seem off, now that my mind is in a better state. The first thing he said was this:

Redack is harmless... Please don't kill Redack {:(}
.

A few dozen posts later, he said something to this effect:

@Castrael:

What role did you get?


Why would he contradict himself? Of course, one or the other or both of these posts could be just a joke, but there's always the chance that he could be Mafia.

Thing is, though, even if he is Mafia, after the last couple of games he's played in, he deserves to play longer than just two rounds. We'll just have to see what develops over the coming rounds before I decide to vote, but for now...

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Black Yoshi

I, uh, can't say I see the contradiction there, Yoshi. {:P} I don't have a good read on Redack (actually, I don't have a good read on anyone right now), but I would definitely rather keep him around for another couple of rounds at least--we may need his voodoo magic before too long. ;)

Agh...wonder what happens if I do this?

May 7, 2013
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white lancer

Ohhoho~

The gloves are coming off.

May 7, 2013
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Female Alpha Wolf

I, uh, can't say I see the contradiction there, Yoshi.


Quote for truth. I'm not quite sure I follow why you think Redack is off, Black Yoshi.

No one has said much of anything (beside white lancer and you, now).

May 7, 2013
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Yeano

I read this thread once before going to bed last night and during my bus rides this morning, and the first thing that caught my attention that I've wanted to address for a while now is the mafia's actions in the last night round.

I agree with white lancer that the most likely scenario was that Feral was a townie and was killed by the Assassin. There are a lot of Townies in this game, and the odds of hitting one at random aren't bad. Not to mention, if the Assassin is wrong about their Townie guess, then the mafia would know that the person they targeted is a power role and would kill them the following night. It would be completely too risky for the mafia to guess at a power role for their assassin kill this early in the game.

However, what doesn't fit IMO is the mafia hiding Feral's body and not Trever's. Assuming Feral was the Assassin target and was a Townie, why would the mafia hide his body and not the other? The mafia benefit from hiding power roles, not Townies. Maybe I'm just overanalyzing the Janitor's choice, but I don't see how that makes sense at all. I mean, I really doubt the mafia would just sit down, pick an Assassin target, and decide "You know what? We should use our Janitor on this person we may not even kill, instead of the person we're definitely killing that could possibly be a power role." That would be almost as stupid as guessing at a power role with the Assassin.

However, if I had to pick one of the two "contradictions" that makes the least sense, it would be the mafia guessing a Power role this early in the game. Feral and Trever said nothing that would have given away their roles in the last round. Though I think it would be in our best interest to keep an open mind about Feral's role.

@white lancer: Why the vote for Kyon? I thought it was a random vote at first glance.

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MajorasMask9

Hey sorry guys. Im out with friends right now. I can see where Yoshi and Lancer are coming from tho

May 7, 2013
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Castrael

I'm not following the Redack thing either. I think you just kind of naturally assume that Redack's evil, which is a feeling I can relate to. Until he actually does something that looks suspicious, I'm not going to vote for him though.

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The Bandit

Okay, I'm home now. But before I examine past stuff...

Agh...wonder what happens if I do this?

Uh, people will question you for casting an empty vote? I would really like to hear your reasoning behind voting for Kyon if there is any at all.

May 8, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

I think the thing about Redack could be the implication that Redack would only want to know Castrael's role for mafia-related reasons. Could be wrong though.

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MajorasMask9

That's a pretty good mafia strategy. Can it work in reverse?

MajorasMask9. Are you mafia?

It's like when you ask a police officer if they're a police officer. You have to tell me.

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The Bandit

Trever Leingod from Day 1 (only replies that were relevant to the game):

I say we leave [Redack] around a bit to let him wreck chaos. {:P}


Anyway, having a look at the roles, this is also a very power-based game of sorts. All the best power roles for both sides, and the Mafia has practically the biggest opening ratio ever. We really need that Sensor to survive awhile and produce some good results - I feel a bit overwhelmed by the idea of us having to take down six Mafia from the get-go.


He didn't mean anything by it chief, he didn't list you as dead, he just showed the top people (Redack being #2 between you and Dooku on the actual list) for reference on his prediction of Redack dying today/tonight.


No kill is an official vote not to kill anyone, not voting means you give up your vote completely for the day - so yes, it decreases the denominator.


I would entirely be up for using the Sensor today, but I'm never fond of randomly voting people off. If we could get some serious suspicions, I would definitely go for it though. But today will be the usual mandatory no-kill, so let's speed that along and hope the night brings some good info.


Feral from day one:

Hey, sorry for my quietness. Been feeling like crap all day. Wanted to check in, but not worth saying anything when I can't even think straight.


Didn't we just say that we needed to lynch someone for the sensor? Why is everybody No Killing?

I'm felling much better this morning, and ready to go


A No Kill it is.


Hezekiah from day one:

Why do we even have a Day 1 then? Nothing ever happens...


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Take from this what you will. I'll be drawing my own conclusions shortly.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Hmmm...I think I see what tipped the Vigilante off to Hezy...he's usually a rather quiet player (though he can be talkative when he needs to be), but when he's Mafia he's especially quiet. And he was especially quiet last round.

Mayhap something Feral or Trever said tipped off the Mafia, but I can't see it.

That said, the reason I thought he was contradicting himself was that asking someone about their role seems like something the Assassin would do -- and come to think of it, I doubt that, even jokingly, Redack would be that daft as to practically give himself away. My suspucions are waning fast.

I can't really see any reason to vote for anyone now, unless someone willingly lets themselves die in the name of Sensor data.

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Black Yoshi

*The reason I thought Redack was contradicting himself...

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Black Yoshi

I kinda think the Mafia hide Feral's body as a just in case. I doubt they knew that Trever was a power role (I mean honestly, who here thought he was the governor? eh? EH?), so there may not be an underlying strategy here and it was just good, dumb luck.

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Female Alpha Wolf

I'm just gonna type as I read over Day 1/2 since I have the memory retention of a small twig. Here goes!

So, the first thing that stands out to me is this post by Supermod Kyon:

all mafia members from last game were probably moved to Townie, so there's a good starting point.


Interesting remark, even if he didn't know that the roles are randomized. Interesting indeed.

This is the next thing that stood out, a post later on by Dooku:

Well I hate to say it, but our typical no-kill doesn't do us any favors in a game with a sensor.

We should probably lynch someone.


Not saying that it stands out for any bad reasons, particularly. But a call to action, especially on day one, really catches your attention. Now me personally, I didn't agree with the strategy of a lynch on Day 1 and neither did a lot of people which is why we eventually reached a 2/3s vote for No Kill. But Dooku doesn't strike me as the type to make an amateurish mistake such as baiting the town into a kill on Day 1 if he were mafia.

chiefsonny:

Well at least we do have the Vigilante who can make night kills for us. As long as he/she holds off and don't go crazy like that role did once and killed 2-3 townies


And yet, the Vigilante got a successful mafia kill after just one night. Perhaps you are the vigilante and dismissed your own role preemptively to detach yourself from it in case of an attempted mafia assassination? MOST INTERDASTING INDEED MR. SONNY

white lancer:

Anyway, I'm inclined to agree with Dooku that with a Sensor present, it's preferable to lynch than to vote 'no kill' if we have any inklings at all. It's also way, way preferable to lynch someone than to have the Vigilante kill someone, so the best strategy would be to have the Vig lay low unless the Sensor gets taken out


Hmm... I'm not sure why I'm quoting this, actually. I guess I get some ideas from this, but... nothing concrete enough to warrant discussion. Yet.

Redack:

What role did you [Castrael] get?


Goodness, Reddy, you didn't even buy her dinner. Slow down, eh?

chief:

You're right. In fact I'm usually always against mass role claims and claiming to early.. I will explain why after the game.


Basically, "I have done something I am opposed to but won't say why until after the game when it's irrelevant". I'm afraid after the game cannot wait and we need an explanation now. Otherwise, you look very peculiar. But perhaps not peculiar enough yet to be mafia. YET.

Feral:

Didn't we just say that we needed to lynch someone for the sensor? Why is everybody No Killing?


Perhaps the assassin saw this as a giveaway that he was the Sensor and acted on it. Then again, we don't know what Feral was so that all is just way too much speculation.

Castrael:

I'm a Townie.


There should have been a {:P} next to I'm a Townie.

I could be anything Red. Townie, Mafia, Cop, Sensor. Etc.


Mhm... Sure...

Trever:

I would entirely be up for using the Sensor today, but I'm never fond of randomly voting people off.


Now this... THIS is very interesting to me. Basically, Trever would have liked to utilize the Sensor's abilities without costing someone their life in the lynch necessary to get Sensor results. I'm still relatively new to this and as such, I am unfamiliar with many of these roles, but I'm assuming that the Sensor would still get results from a lynch vote that the Governor dismisses (that's how the rules read, anyways). If that is the case... then perhaps this is what sold Trever as the Governor.

I left out a few trivial quotes that I feel wouldn't add much to the discussion, these are mostly the ones that stood out the most to me from Day 1.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

We probably shouldn't try and attempt to guess who our own power roles are.

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The Bandit

MajorasMask:

However, what doesn't fit IMO is the mafia hiding Feral's body and not Trever's.


While I agree that it is more likely mathematically speaking for the assassin to take out a townie, I'm thinking that perhaps there is more to Feral than we might think.

In all honesty, the Governor isn't really an all that important role. All they can do is prevent lynches, which isn't all that essential to our chances of victory. It's more of a luxury really, but still more important than a townie. However, it pales in comparison to the Cop, Vigilante, and Sensor IMO. In this sense, the mafia would benefit more from hiding the death of one of those three roles compared to the Governor.

Let's say, hypothetically speaking, that Feral was the Sensor. His reply that I quoted in my post before this is a slight indicator that he could have been. Assuming that the mafia knew both Trever's and Feral's roles, they essentially had their pick of which to conceal and in my opinion, they benefit more from hiding the Sensor.

As far as the vigilante/hezekiah situation goes... I truly D not FK.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

We probably shouldn't try and attempt to guess who our own power roles are.

I'm just spitballin' here, don't mind me... (look)

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Just a heads up

I'm in the middle of finals week, tomorrow is my last set of finals and then I'll become more active.

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Count Dooku

Shouldn't the numbers now be

14-5
Mafia Hezy
Town Trever

Hmmm...I think I see what tipped the Vigilante off to Hezy.


Let's hope it was either that or he/she had info the rest of us didn't. Because if it was just a random pick on their part, it could have been bad news if they picked wrong and we would be down 3 now.

And with no way to protect the Cop. How should he wait to make a report? I would say wait until he was at least 2-3 guilty verdicts.
If we can even wait that long.

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chiefsonny
 

Actually 13-5

Forgot about Feral.

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chiefsonny
 

I don't know if white lancer was serious in his indirect indication of Kyon, but if he was, I can somewhat understand it. These were the only two things he said in the Day 1 post:

all mafia members from last game were probably moved to Townie, so there's a good starting point.

Common strategy for the mafia. Tell the weakest link in mafia to inform the rest of the players that they won't be around often.

He said the second quote in response to Castrael for saying she would be at work for several hours a day. He then voted for her, being the ONLY Townie to vote for someone on Day 1.

Speed already pointed some of this out; I'm not saying that I believe it's Kyon, but I don't really understand why he'd say the two things he said. For one, that's a bit of an farfetched claim to say that all of the Mafia members were moved to Townie. In fact, it makes no sense since this is supposed to be all randomized; more than 25% of the starting players were Mafia members in this round. That's just a silly/dumb thing to say, imo. And it just seems like he's trying to push the suspicion off of himself with something completely irrelevant.

Two, I guess I haven't played enough games of this here before, but his second quote just doesn't make sense to me. Why would the Mafia tell her to 'not be around' if she's a part of them? And why would Kyon say she's the weakest link?

I'm not saying I think it's him, and I'm not saying I don't find others suspicious as well. But it's somewhat in response to white lancer and Speed, and it's just one of the few things I picked up during Day 1. He also hasn't said anything since this thread has been up.

I'm actually really bad at reading people (online), and I obviously don't want to push suspicion on him in case he's innocent. It's just my two cents for now.

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Apollo Justice

(He was joking y'all. Come on.)

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The Bandit

Yeah, maybe... It felt good to think I had a lead for a few seconds though... (ashamed)

Is all people do joke during Day 1? Because it kinda seems like that. It's hard feel suspicious vibes.

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Apollo Justice

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if the reasons Apollo brought up are why lancer voted for Kyon. I don't necessarily think that lancer is necessarily too concerned by Kyon's presence. Rather, I think he's just trying to evoke a reaction from Kyon, or maybe someone else too.

So far, this seems to be the only lead we have. So why not pursue it?

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Yeano

I have reason to believe both of his posts that have been quoted were serious. The first reply was a simple means of diverting people's attention away from the 17.1 mafia due to how much of an abortion that game was, even though it by no means disqualifies those people from being in the mafia again.

As far as the second reply, he has spoken in length before regarding the mafia tactic of telling its weaker members to pretend to be busy so that they will not be expected to talk as much. I have reason to believe he seriously considers that indicative of a mafia role and as such, he was seriously accusing Castrael.

But hey, what do I know, I only talk to this guy on a daily basis... My opinion doesn't mean much...

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Speed Bike Pro
 

How could the first comment be serious in any possible universe? What does that even mean if it's a serious comment? He's diverting people's attention away from the other game for what purpose?

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The Bandit

Uh... So people won't think he's mafia?

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Also, Yeano, are you suggesting we pursue Kyon as a serious suspect? Your posts are pretty ambiguous.

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The Bandit

...Based off what? That he was mafia last game? When everyone knows that the roles are randomized? Who would possibly be fooled by that?

Is that not where the humor comes in? By suggesting something so ridiculous? Am I taking crazy pills or something?

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The Bandit

I think I misunderstood you Speed bike Pro. You're not accusing Kyon of being guilty, merely that his posts were serious. That's fine, whatever.

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The Bandit

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if the reasons Apollo brought up are why lancer voted for Kyon. I don't necessarily think that lancer is necessarily too concerned by Kyon's presence. Rather, I think he's just trying to evoke a reaction from Kyon, or maybe someone else too.

You hit the nail on the head with that, Yeano. Kyon's first comment (about how the Mafia from last game were cleared) kinda raised my eyebrows a bit, but I did think that it was more likely he was joking with that post. I was a lot more interested in seeing people's reactions than in actually getting Kyon lynched. Was hoping I would get a reaction from Kyon himself, but I'll take what I can get. I do admit to having small suspicions of Castrael myself, though, so the second quote of Kyon's that Apollo brought up had less bearing.

Perhaps the assassin saw this as a giveaway that he was the Sensor and acted on it. Then again, we don't know what Feral was so that all is just way too much speculation.

Hrm. I guess I can kinda see how someone could draw that conclusion from Feral's post, though it seems like a pretty flimsy basis for taking out an Assassin hit. It would fit better with MM9's point, but it'd be an incredibly reckless move for the Mafia to take so early. Only ways I see the Mafia taking such a risk would be if they're a bunch of daredevils, or if they were just very confident in their deduction (and the only person who I think would be so confident based on such a snippet would be Redack). That's all pretty speculative, but I suppose it's a good thing to keep in mind.

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white lancer

Now this... THIS is very interesting to me. Basically, Trever would have liked to utilize the Sensor's abilities without costing someone their life in the lynch necessary to get Sensor results. I'm still relatively new to this and as such, I am unfamiliar with many of these roles, but I'm assuming that the Sensor would still get results from a lynch vote that the Governor dismisses (that's how the rules read, anyways). If that is the case... then perhaps this is what sold Trever as the Governor.

The Sensor doesn't get results if the Governor stops the lynch. That would be just too powerful of a combination. {:P}

@chief: The ratio is 13-5, but it won't get updated in the main post because of the presence of the Janitor. As for when the Cop should reveal...that's tricky, and it depends on the individual situation. A couple of guilty verdicts might be enough to turn the tide, especially if one of them is the Assassin. Then again, the Cop is definitely a one-shot deal at best in this game, so the timing will be crucial. Guess it'll be largely up to the Cop's discretion, but they probably should accept that unless we get really lucky, they're not going to survive this game. Either they come out at the right time and do significant damage to the Mafia before being taken out, or they come out too early and do less damage, or they wait too long and get taken out before they can reveal. Tough call.

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white lancer

The Sensor doesn't get results if the Governor stops the lynch. That would be just too powerful of a combination.

Lame... I thought I had discovered some incredible loophole. Oh well, so much for that.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

hey.

Kyon's first comment (about how the Mafia from last game were cleared) kinda raised my eyebrows a bit, but I did think that it was more likely he was joking with that post


It wasn't a joke or a fact, just an assumption since I'm a townie. If I was Roxas I would have done it. I guess you could say I was grasping at straws, but I wanted to carry on with it.

And why would Kyon say she's the weakest link?


bcuz of what she said. The few times I was mafia when I first started to play I was told to go into the Day threads and say I would be inactive or new at the game.

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Kyon

If I was Roxas I would have done it.

All roles were randomly selected via means of a list generator, and whether somebody was Mafia or Town in 17.1 holds no merit to their roles this game.

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`Roxas`

Fair enough. I actually do remember you acting kinda clueless your first time being Mafia and I think we actually voted you out for that. {:P}

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white lancer

someone in the mafia say something incriminating, please; I'm trying to be helpful but you're making it ha~rd


I agree with the idea that Feral was probably just a regular ol' schmoe...I can see where someone might have guessed an actual role and picked him off, but with so many safer targets to narrow down it seems unnecessarily dangerous. Not impossible, but asking for trouble.

It wasn't a joke or a fact, just an assumption since I'm a townie. If I was Roxas I would have done it.
I guess it could go unnoticed since only the mafia know who they are, but if anyone were to pick up on it wouldn't that kinda ruin the game?

so that seems risky

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Pirate_Ninja

If we can't find someone who is reasonably guilty, we can just kill kaotic. I'm pretty sure he hasn't posted yet, and given how fast the Night round went, he's very likely not a power role.

It's still too early to go that route. Just throwing it out there.

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The Bandit

Like I said, the Mafia this game must be REALLY good...

That said, I can't remember how it worked the last time we had a Sensor -- do their results get posted anonymously in the next day round if we lynch someone now or are they posted only when s/he wants (i.e. when s/he reveals or PMs someone to post info for him/her)? If it's the former, I feel we should start gathering Sensor data as soon as possible, as in this round. Provided Feral wasn't the Sensor, of course.

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Black Yoshi

I was going to say earlier, I'm not too suspicious of Kyon at all. What he said in the first day round made me think he was town-sided if anything.

As for the cop/sensor, I think it would be best if the cop gave their information to an "innocent" player and had them reveal it. Ie, if the cop checked Black Yoshi and Black Yoshi is innocent, the cop would give Black Yoshi the information to post, in order to keep the cop's identity from being revealed. There's no rules against this (as far as I know,) and there shouldn't be anyway. There is the chance that the cop could end up giving the information to the godfather, but even if this is the case, I don't think this should be too big of an issue, because although the cop's identity would be compromised, the proper information should still be posted in the main thread regardless, so it's the same as a plain old cop reveal. If the godfather were to post fake information, the cop would see it, and could say something. The sensor could also give their information to one of the innocent players as well.

It's probably a bit early to be worrying too much about cop/sensor information, but it's something that should be brought up. With 5 mafia members left, and the most the cop could have if they were lucky are 3 guilty verdicts, it probably isn't worth the risk to reveal just yet, but when it needs to happen, this seems like the best way.

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MajorasMask9

And for reference, even though there's no silencer, the people who haven't spoken yet this round are:

Redack
CtR Black
Kaotic
Jo Nathan

I doubt they're all mafia, but keep in mind it means at least one player that's spoken in this day round is definitely mafia, and most likely even more than that. I don't think we should no-kill this round, and we only have one day after this to make up our minds on who to kill. I have a minor suspicion, but I don't feel it's enough to mention right away.

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MajorasMask9

I do have work and I do plan on being out with my friends this summer. Since summer's approaching, we have a lot of plans.

But, anyways, as for the game itself, I don't appreciate being called weak since you don't even know me. So, would you mind keeping the name calling to yourself? Thanks.

I don't know who to kill, but I do have my eye on Redack.

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Castrael

ACTUALLY, what if that's what happened to Feral? (duck)

Feral (Cop) gets an innocent result on Night 0, but it turns out to be the Godfather. He reveals the information to the Godfather, and the Godfather tells the mafia. The mafia would then know that Feral was the cop, and would most likely be willing to use the Assassin on him. This would also explain why the Janitor would hide Feral's body.

This at least makes more sense than anything I came up with earlier.

Granted, you'd have to wonder if Feral would be the kind of person to go out of his way to reveal he's the cop in private, in this case. This early in the game, I don't think the cop would have much of a reason to reveal results to anyone this early.

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MajorasMask9

If we can't find someone who is reasonably guilty, we can just kill kaotic. I'm pretty sure he hasn't posted yet, and given how fast the Night round went, he's very likely not a power role.

I was thinking about that as well, but the speed of the Night round also makes it less likely that he's Mafia either since they're all presumably active. I guess if whatever account issues he's having prevent him from posting, he'll be pretty much dead weight and we could kill him for Sensor data, but it's unlikely to help us in the actual ratio.

That said, I can't remember how it worked the last time we had a Sensor -- do their results get posted anonymously in the next day round if we lynch someone now or are they posted only when s/he wants (i.e. when s/he reveals or PMs someone to post info for him/her)?

The Sensor data gets posted in the Sensor thread, and the Sensor gets to reveal it whenever they want.

With 5 mafia members left, and the most the cop could have if they were lucky are 3 guilty verdicts, it probably isn't worth the risk to reveal just yet, but when it needs to happen, this seems like the best way.

I count 2 possible guilty verdicts. But yeah, no matter what, it's too early for a Cop reveal.

I think Jo Nathan said he'd be gone this week, right? Feral mentioned that Kaotic was having account issues, and CtR is usually pretty quiet. Redack's silence is a bit more baffling because normally we can't get him to be quiet {:P} I know he updated Aliens yesterday, so maybe that took up his time? Still a little curious.

Right now, I have mostly people that I've identified as 'most likely Town-sided' in my head, and not much in the way of actual suspicions. I do have something of a crazy (but plausible) theory, though, that's been marinating ever since Speed pointed out the one quote from Feral that could possibly implicate him as the Sensor. If Feral was the Sensor (and I still think that's a pretty big 'if'), I would rank Redack as being easily the most likely to be Mafia. He has a tendency to be extremely confident of his readings based on little things similar to that, so I could believe him taking a risk on the Assassin kill based on that. Additionally, he also frequently contacts people on messengers to talk about the game and to try to confirm his reading of them (he's already contacted me this game). The idea that he was willing to take a shot at the Sensor this early seems a little less far-fetched if he based some of his reading off of an AIM conversation with Feral.

Like I said, this is probably a pretty off-the-wall theory because Feral just being a regular Townie would make a lot of sense. If it did happen to be true, though, I think I'd also be a little suspicious of Yeano. Mostly because his first post this round could easily be designed to distract people like me from the possibility that Feral was an important role (e.g. Well, guess the killings last night were just random!).

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white lancer

Hmm. That's also an interesting theory, MM9, although I'm hoping both of our theories are wrong. I officially retract any confidence I had that Feral was just a normal Townie.

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white lancer

Feral mentioned that Kaotic was having account issues,


Don't know what kind of computer problems he's having, but he posted several time on the 6th and 5th of May.

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chiefsonny
 

I stand by my earlier point that we should probably assume Feral was one of the Sensor/Cop. But since we don't know, we should also assume that either of those roles are still in play. As such, we should still plan on getting Sensor results and therefore a lynch today would be beneficial.

I had typed out a lot more after this but most of it is just incoherent ramblings. Here is the tl;dr version: Feral was the Cop or Sensor, more likely the Sensor. I also have some slight suspicions and would like to cast a lynch vote after I hear from more people.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

With 5 mafia members left, and the most the cop could have if they were lucky are 3 guilty verdicts


I count 2 possible guilty verdicts


Really? I count four -- three Mafiosi plus the Assassin.

Anyway, now that you mention it, Majora, CtR has been rather quiet this game -- perhaps too[/i[ quiet. He's usually a quiet player to begin with, but when he's Town-sided at least he makes an effort to contribute. When he's Mafia, he'll sometimes go for a day-round or two without posting a damned thing. He would be a damned good target for Sensor results.

As would Kaotic, whom you've pointed out has yet to post in this game.

As for Redack and JN, they're amongst the more talkative players regardless of which side they're on. They must just be busy IRL.

Holding my vote until we decide on a target.

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Black Yoshi

He means the number of verdicts the Cop could possibly have. There's only been two nights, so there are only two verdicts.

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The Bandit

Redack's around Jedi Sith with me actually. I just don't have anything to say.

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Castrael

{:P}

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Castrael

@Bandit: Ah -- I see. Thanks for clearing that up.

@Cas: Huh...that's not like Redack at all. If he were busy IRL, he wouldn't be around the site at all, but for him to be active in JS but not here...

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Black Yoshi

Yeah, he's around. Surprised he hasn't checked Mafia out, probably reading my posts right now...

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Castrael

DIE.

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Kyon

OK, that's weird.

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The Bandit

Have any reasons, Kyon? Just want to hear your arguments.

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Yeano

because it's the only lead I got.

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Kyon

Well, this sucks. I ain't got jack SHIT. If chief hasn't spilled the beans on his poorly explained situation yet, plz do so.

May 9, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

I haven't got a clue either. :/

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Castrael

I would like to clarify that I am on vacation this week which is keeping me away from my computer, but I have been checking in each night to stay in the loop.

I am not entirely sure who to suspect at this point, but I'd venture to say at least one person is throwing misleading information out there. Historically, whenever we get several players making lengthy "analysis" posts, at least one of them is Mafia.

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Jo Nathan

Time to do s

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Female Alpha Wolf

... Premature postulation :(

ANYWAYS.

Time to do something crazy and put of character!

May 9, 2013
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Female Alpha Wolf

About eleven hours left by my clock.

Something occurred to me just now: what if we have only one person vote per round? That way, the Sensor would get information on that one person and we would no for sure what side s/he's on. It would turn the Sensor into a second Cop.

Then again, I don't know how helpful that would be compared to having most of the Town vote and getting a ton of results at once.

That said...Kyon's post above was very Hindenburgish -- highly unlike what little I know about his playing style...

But if anything...

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Black Yoshi

Currently on my phone and will be out until around 5:30 EST, which is four hours after the end of the round. As I said, I do not think we should no-kill this round, and we only have about four hours to pick someone. I have two main suspicions at this point, but neither have any votes and I'm in no position to expand upon them currently.

I'll be back when I'm on a lunch break to vote.

May 9, 2013
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MajorasMask9

YOLO

May 9, 2013
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The Bandit

Are you fucking serious right now.

May 9, 2013
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The Bandit

lkjk

May 9, 2013
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The Bandit

until around 5:30 EST, which is four hours after the end of the round.

Round won't end until about 8:30 tonight

May 9, 2013
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`Roxas`

Wooah I thought it was 1:40ish that it ended.

Guess I have more time than expected. Will probably post my detailed suspicions when I get home.

May 9, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Correction: About 8:00 EST tonight. Go off of the first reply time to know when the Day Round ends.

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`Roxas`

Okay. So I think CtR would actually be a good vote. He's in a similar position as Kaotic to me in that he hasn't been active enough for me to get a good reading of him. I still think it's likely that the Mafia is comprised of active players, but I think CtR has played UTR games as Mafia before. That makes him a better option than Kinetic in my book.

I understand the Castrael vote as well--I've been suspicious of her myself. Her response to Redack's question last day round in particular stuck out to me (it almost seemed like something a Mafia member who was afraid they had made a mistake would do to try to correct it). But...I must admit that my suspicions of her have waned, and that's also been because of Redack. The longer Redack goes without posting here even though he's been active around the site, the more I think my crazy theory above might not be so crazy. I don't know...I kinda hate to vote Redack just because he dies early every single time, but, well, he's kinda the one that's sticking out to me more than anyone else right now.

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white lancer

I play UTR games all the time. If i talk a lot, I'm suspicious to the town.

If I talk a little, I'm suspicious to the mafia.

Honestly I don't pay much attention to the game in the first few rounds. I don't know what I'm supposed to gather during round one as nothing has happened yet, unless there's a night 0. in which very little has happened.

And the mafia probably just randomly killed someone last night. so there's probably little to go by from that kill.

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CtR Black

But...I must admit that my suspicions of her have waned, and that's also been because of Redack. The longer Redack goes without posting here even though he's been active around the site, the more I think my crazy theory above might not be so crazy. I don't know...I kinda hate to vote Redack just because he dies early every single time, but, well, he's kinda the one that's sticking out to me more than anyone else right now.


Oh my, driving you to insanity are we? What if I deny that I'm mafia, does that help?

No doubt in my mind in regards to where my vote goes.

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Redack

Also, I seem to recall Jo Nathan saying he's away on holiday somewhere. Said he'd pop in to play Adventure and Mafia but obviously it can explain his absence.

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Redack

Also just to clarify on my position, since I'd rather not die from a town lynch.

Yes I am rather busy IRL, but as accurately noted I have been posting on the site a fairly actively. Take from that what you will, just know I am watching you. All of you. {;)}

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Redack

Especially YOU! And if you're wondering if I mean you... Yes I do!

May 9, 2013
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Redack

Hrm. Well, I think I'd be willing to go along with a Castrael vote because it might also give us info on Redack. Although if she's Mafia again, she just has the worst luck when it comes to these random draws.

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white lancer

If anyone agrees or disagrees with this vote, you are welcome to vote similarly or question me, respectively. We should probably reach a consensus soon, the day will be over in a few hours.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Heh heh heh heh heh....

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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

You know what -- I'll switch to Castrael. Will give the Sensor as many results as they possibly can get.

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Black Yoshi

I approve of this.

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The Bandit

If she is found guilty the people will praise me... yes... heh.... I can see it now...

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Kyon

That or the will say that you're Mafia who throw another member under the bus Kyon {:P}

Hahahahaha..... (duck)!!

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Female Alpha Wolf

sorry cas, i wasn't suspicious enough this round. i'll join you in glob world next round

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CtR Black

Well, better than nothing, I guess.

Assuming that Feral and Castrael are both not the Sensor, then at least we'll get some useful information, hopefully.

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Yeano

Back home.

Seeing as we decided to vote for Castrael, I'll admit that she was the person I had a slight suspicion of earlier in the day round. She's following the same patterns that she did last time she was mafia, which raised some red flags for me.

However I will say that if Castrael shows up innocent, I'll be highly suspicious of Redack as well. Redack and I were chatting before the day round even started, discussing our suspicion of Castrael. However, what I found odd about the conversation was how he wanted me to start the bandwagon against Castrael. I don't understand why he wanted me to do this, so I waited to see what he'd do about it. When he went inactive I grew increasingly suspicious of him, but now that he's stepped up an pointed a finger, I'll probably change my opinion if Castrael is actually mafia. If Castrael is innocent, I'll probably be the one to start the bandwagon against Redack.

Nothing much else to add.

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MajorasMask9

I'm actually not that suspicious of Castrael but it seems she is beyond the point of redemption. Sorry, ol' girl.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Sorry Castrael. But if it will help the town.

Just hope you're not a townie.

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chiefsonny
 

I don't care to be honest. I need to focus on some other things as well anyways.

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Castrael

I do actually think it's possible that she's in the Mafia, just because at least once she made it a point to say 'I don't know anything', etc. Which I guess just seemed out of place and forced. But, even if she's not Mafia, at least we'll have sensor data.

Day 2 is coming to a close....~

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Apollo Justice

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