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172 mafia thread

Posted May 4, 2013 by `Roxas`

Ah, what a pleasure it is to greet you to this fantastic town, where you are pretty much free to wreak havoc as you wish!

Mr. Jo Nathan, you are the Ring Leader, the Big Fish, the Godfather. You show up as innocent to the Cop and Sensor. Also, should a tie in votes result for a Night Kill, you are the deciding vote.

Ms. Castrael, you are the Cleaner, the Maid, the Janitor. You have the power to hide the bodies of ANY kill made at night. All you have to do is say the name of your selection, and their identity remains hidden from all BUT the Mafia.

Mr. MajorasMask9, you are the Recluse, the Viper, the Assassin. Each night, sole exception being Night 0, you have the ability to select a player and a role. If the player and role match up, that person will be killed in such a way, even you would cringe (you know, if it wasn't your job and you weren't some sick and twisted freak).

Mr. hezekiah, Mr. Yeano, Mr./Ms. Apollo J-Money... You three are lowly Mafioso. You have no special powers, but you are included in the Mafia's count.

Your objective this game is to eliminate the town in order to lower their numbers to the same as your own.

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PLEASE NO RESETS THIS IS PERFECT.

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MajorasMask9

Oh goodness me oh my!

May 4, 2013
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Apollo J-Money

I guarantee that there will be no resets. {:D}

You guys don't have any actions, so you will just have to sit about until Day 1 begins.

May 4, 2013
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`Roxas`

Why am I the Mafia again? :/ At least I wont feel bad for targeting Majora then. :P

Just letting you guys know that I work late again tomorrow, sunday and monday. So, I'll try to be around.

May 4, 2013
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Castrael

Also, I am thankfully not a hermaphrodite, and am indeed a Ms. Apollo J-Money.

May 4, 2013
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Apollo J-Money

Wasn't sure, but I'll make certain to keep that in mind.

May 4, 2013
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`Roxas`

How awesome that I keep getting Godfather. It's like my destiny or something. :P

May 4, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Lol Nathan! At least you're not the "Maid".

Also, I am thankfully not a hermaphrodite, and am indeed a Ms. Apollo J-Money.


We need more girls around here anyways!

May 4, 2013
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Castrael

We need more girls around here anyways!

Haha, agreed. A lot of the girls that I've seen here since I've come back (and knew back at old Gametalk) have had kids and are married and stuff and I'm just so surprised! I feel like everyone's growing up except me... if that makes any sense.

Anyways, I do have a question (or two or three or seven). When Majora's Mask decides to kill someone, he basically HAS to guess their role correctly in order to safely stay in the game... correct? Also, does he have to let us know when he decides to kill someone?

May 4, 2013
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Apollo J-Money

Now Majora won't have to distrust me :)

Also, hi Castrael.

Hi, Apollo.

Hi, hezekiah.

Hi, Jo Nathan

I won't be too active during the next 24 hours, but after that I can be on quite a bit.

Also, GTx0 is horribly broken on IE.

May 4, 2013
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Yeano

If the Assassin role is the same as in past games, I reply to this thread during the night rounds with the name of the person I want to kill, and a guess at their role (if I want to kill anyone).

If I'm wrong about their role, my role is revealed to the town.

May 4, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Haha, agreed. A lot of the girls that I've seen here since I've come back (and knew back at old Gametalk) have had kids and are married and stuff and I'm just so surprised! I feel like everyone's growing up except me... if that makes any sense.


Who were you? I too am from the Old GT. Haha, yeah, my best-friend from Jedi Sith is married. She's still around, but very busy. Don't worry, you're not the only one. I'm still a kid at heart.

Hey Yeano. Good to see that you're playing. :3

May 4, 2013
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Castrael

Hi, Yeano!

And thanks for the clarification. This is the first game I'm playing online so I will probably somehow ruin everything and kill everyone. Ha ha ha, just kidding, I'm Tony Soprano!

I was Apollo Justice on GT! I went by other names too, but I don't really remember them. All I remember is that I was somewhat of the typical annoying young high school teenage girl... I try and block those years out. Did you go by any other names? Because I don't think I recognize your current screen name.

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Apollo J-Money

Lol, no worries, I try to block my least favorite memories out too. I was well known as Padme/Nyatha at JS and Cacila/Anyiana over at RPG Chat. But, I don't remember any of my other names though. I should have stuck to one.

Here's some advice: don't randomly vote. if someone votes for you, don't attack/defend back. Just ignore it.

I really think we should work on getting that Cop first, right Majora?

May 4, 2013
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Castrael

Ooops, nevermind, scratch that last one. <<

May 4, 2013
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Castrael

If the Assassin role is the same as in past games, I reply to this thread during the night rounds with the name of the person I want to kill, and a guess at their role (if I want to kill anyone).

If I'm wrong about their role, my role is revealed to the town.

That is correct. {;)}

May 4, 2013
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`Roxas`

I am totally out of it! v.v Yes, I think we should go after the Cop and Sensor.

May 4, 2013
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Castrael

@Castrael: Ah, okay. Yeah, I don't think I remember you haha. But now I know you... under some Mafia-related circumstances ;)

I've played Mafia a LOT in real life, but it was much more basic (the only special roles were Doctor, Detective, Dentist), so I know the rules and tactics pretty well.

May 4, 2013
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Apollo J-Money

I've played Mafia a LOT in real life, but it was much more basic (the only special roles were Doctor, Detective, Dentist), so I know the rules and tactics pretty well.


Oh, well then, you can be my Mentor. :P

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Castrael

Oh, haha, I didn't mean I was good! I just meant that I at least know what's going on. AKA, don't go in the main chat and say "hey guys I'm the mafia oh wait who said that I mean hello fellow townies"

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Apollo J-Money

Obviously not xD

May 4, 2013
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Castrael

I really think we should work on getting that Cop first, right Majora?


Yeah. But I'd probably consider the Sensor our biggest threat right now. Unless we watch our votes closely, the sensor could easily narrow down who is or isn't mafia after a matter of rounds. And if we do put in an effort to split our votes up during lynchings, it could look suspicious to the town.

Thankfully since the town doesn't have a Doctor, the cop and sensor might be too intimidated to reveal information unless they feel it's enough to last them the rest of the game.

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MajorasMask9

What should we look for when we try and find the Sensor?

May 4, 2013
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Castrael

hi

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hezekiah

I doubt any of the power roles will say anything that would give them away, but when lancer was the sensor recently, the mafia were able to catch on because of how much he focused on sensor results, to the point where he was basically like "you, you, and that guy, vote for this person, and everyone else don't vote."

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MajorasMask9

Yeah, the sensor (or cop, etc.) will be acting oddly either way, I guess. So, I'd vote to kill (during the night but also day I suppose) whoever is acting the most strange, since it might be because they have something to hide. Maybe. Possibly. I'M THE COP

Hi, hezekiah.

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Apollo J-Money

Also, I don't know if Count Dooku is just on the ball or what, but he put it out there that he really wants to lynch today so that the sensor can get work done. So, I suppose that's a consideration.

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Apollo J-Money

Based on his post from a few minutes ago, Dooku's definitely not the sensor (unless he's baiting for mafia reactions, which could backfire on him.) He wouldn't just sacrifice himself like that otherwise. I'm guessing he's a vanilla townie, so if the town doesn't decide to lynch him, our best course of action would probably just be me targeting him for an assassin kill while our group kill is on someone else.

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MajorasMask9

Yeah, you're right. That's a strange tactic, but it makes sense. I don't think sacrificing himself like that is worth it. I also don't think the town will be too receptive to his suggestion.

Do you mean that you are considering to kill him tonight, with that information?

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Apollo J-Money

With an Assassin kill, yes, not with our group kill. I think the fact that he's willing to have himself lynched to get Sensor results means that he isn't a power role (so a Townie). If that's the case, then killing him via Assassin kill shouldn't be a problem, and we can also kill another person with our mafia group-kill.

May 5, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Yeah, I meant Assassin kill.

If they do decide to lynch Dooku during the day, which would require 14 votes (that's a lot to begin with), I guess we'll have to just cast our votes in a strategic fashion so the sensor doesn't get an advantage.

May 5, 2013
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Apollo J-Money

6 mafia out of 21 means 4 of us should vote, since 14 is 2/3 of 21 and 4 is 2/3 of 6.

May 5, 2013
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hezekiah

Don't forget that Jo Nathan shows up as innocent in Sensor results.

May 5, 2013
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MajorasMask9

True enough. 4 of the remaining 5, then, is our best bet IMO.

May 5, 2013
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hezekiah

Well I'm sure glad we didn't go along with that!

May 5, 2013
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MajorasMask9

(referring to Dooku's post actually being mafia bait)

May 5, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Dooku might not be a normal townie, either, maybe, possibly........ or maybe he is....... Oh, that trickster!

May 5, 2013
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Apollo J-Money

Oh hai everyone. :) Just to remind you I am on vacation until the 13th so my availability will not be as good as it usually is, but I should be able to scheme with you each evening.

I can't tell if Dooku going after Bandit is serious or just another Day 1 goof-around...

May 5, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Yeah, but if we vote for Dooku, it would be too obviously. I'll be lynched automatically. Dooku and I are like very close.

May 5, 2013
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Castrael

I think Redack's the sensor.

May 5, 2013
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Castrael

Why do you say that?

May 5, 2013
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Apollo Justice

I could be wrong, but eh I dunno. Redack or Dooku are waiting for something to happen.

May 5, 2013
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Castrael

It's definitely a bit early to be pointing fingers as to who the power roles are, but I'm thinking the cop is likely one of these people:

10. Trever Leingod
12. CtR Black
17. Female Alpha Wolf
21. Hindenburg
9. Black Yoshi
5. Kyon
15. The Bandit
7. Pirate_Ninja

This is a mix of assuming other people aren't the cop for various reasons and taking into consideration things they said in the Day round that make them look like they could potentially be the cop, so this is, again, a very rough list that's probably not too accurate. It goes from most likely to least likely, top to bottom.

Either way, I liked this list because it includes a mix of players that are relatively new and have been around for a while, but doesn't include too many of the common "power players" like white lancer, Dooku, Redack, etc. I don't like the idea of killing them off early solely based on their previous games.

Just throwing it out there!

May 6, 2013
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MajorasMask9

I like your list, so I'll go with it. It's possible that the sensor is also one of them, but who knows.

I think it's also a good idea not to take different games too much into account. People might act slightly different from previous games if they're the same role, they might act the same, or they might act the same even if they have a different role. It's just hard to gauge. Unless someone's acting alarmingly/blatantly different, it might not amount to much if we pursue a lead like that.

Of course, others might disagree with that. In fact, I might be wrong. But I guess we'll see!

May 6, 2013
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Apollo Justice

I do agree with you Majora. I think it's wise to not point any fingers, even if it was meant as a joke. We'll just let the town do the lynching and see how far we get.

May 6, 2013
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Castrael

Well, we have to act natural, which means both Majora and I do need to point fingers at some point, and we need to point fingers at each other, for that matter, since we always do that.

I don't know about the rest of you, but Majora and I definitely need to focus on people.

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Yeano

I just don't like the idea of being thrown under the bus. I wouldn't know how to defend myself and stuff. That's my honesty for the day. lol. I think I'll just hang low. Whatever happens, happens and I'll go from there. I'll keep messaging though.

May 6, 2013
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Castrael

I'm keeping an eye on Lancer.

May 6, 2013
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Castrael

Castrael, if someone accuses you and you're really not sure what to say, maybe just post in this Mafia thread and maybe get some insight to what would be the most appropriate to say. I mean, I wouldn't know what to say myself, lol, but I'm sure Majora or Yeano could help you come up with a non-incriminating response.

If you're talking about what Kyon said, I'm pretty sure he's full of it/joking and just being a dummy.

May 6, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Alright, Mafia, time to make your selections for a group kill; MM9, you may guess the role of somebody, and should that role be correct they will die; Castrael, you may select a person to hide.

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`Roxas`

I'm not opposed to going down Majora's list.

Everyone want to kill Trever?

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Yeano

I'll second that.

May 6, 2013
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Apollo Justice

If you're talking about what Kyon said, I'm pretty sure he's full of it/joking and just being a dummy.


Thanks Apollo, that made me feel a whole better. :3

I am very effy about Lancer. He was the only one that voted for Not Voting. Everyone else voted for No Kill.

Castrael, you may select a person to hide.


I'll hide who ever Majora assassinates. Anyone disagrees? I'm in favor of killing Trev, but he doesn't seem like a threat atm.

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Castrael

Castrael, if someone accuses you and you're really not sure what to say, maybe just post in this Mafia thread and maybe get some insight to what would be the most appropriate to say. I mean, I wouldn't know what to say myself, lol, but I'm sure Majora or Yeano could help you come up with a non-incriminating response.


And I might just do that. Thanks again. {:P}

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Castrael

No problem! Hope I could help somewhat.

Also, MM has to be pretty sure about the role of the person he kills, or else we'll lose him. And he's one of our strongest players, so personally I don't think we should take any big risks.

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Apollo Justice

I'm actually in the process of trying to trick Feral into telling me what his role is. Assuming he falls for it, anyway. I probably should have posted about it here, but I did talk about it with Yeano for a bit and it didn't seem like the worst idea.

Basically I sent Feral a PM telling him that I'm the Cop, and that I investigated him on Night 0, so I know he's likely innocent. I told him I wanted to form a "behind-the-scenes alliance" with the people I get innocent verdicts on because of the fact that there is no doctor to protect me if I publicly reveal the information. I also--shit, just read the message here https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5049139/feral.txt

Basically I'm hoping he reads it and is like "Yeah man I'm totally a vanilla townie haha this is cool" or "Actually, I am the sesnor" or something like that. Then I can use that information to make an accurate Assassin kill.

If he doesn't reply, I'll target him under the assumption that he's a Townie, which would have about a 73% chance of killing him, which isn't bad at all.

Worst case scenario; he isn't a townie and I try to kill him but miss. If this is the case, he's a power role and you guys should kill him the following night.

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MajorasMask9

What if he is the cop? I guess that's very unlikely, but...

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Apollo Justice

I dont think Feral's the cop. He would've said: "Nice try, but I'm the Cop."I don't know if people would actually say that though.

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Castrael

If he is, then he'd be on to me, but I'd be more inclined to think he'd play along for a little while. He wouldn't just say "THIS was your biggest mistake. I AM THE COP!" he'd probably say he's a Townie at most. There's a very slim chance that he is the cop, but if he is, and if my assassination attempt fails, then we'll still know he's a power role.

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MajorasMask9

I'm just hoping he doesn't turn out to be a Vigilant (sp?). He could definitely go after Majora then or if we keep Feral alive and somebody else claims Cop, then we're in trouble. Taking risks.

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Castrael

*then, if we keep Feral that is.

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Castrael

Ah, okay. Well, taking that into consideration...


I use xat sometimes, so I can communicate with Hindenberg, Kyon, and Speed about their roles? I didn't think I was supposed to, but if that kind of stuff is allowed, I'd be happy to do some prying.

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Apollo Justice

I'm just hoping he doesn't turn out to be a Vigilant (sp?). He could definitely go after Majora then or if we keep Feral alive and somebody else claims Cop, then we're in trouble. Taking risks.


Considering this is all going down in private in the middle of the Night round, I don't think it should be too much of a problem.

Private communication off-site had a huge debate back when mafia was brought to gtx0, but I personally don't have any problems with it, because there's really nothing stopping you from doing it. Someone in the town mentioned the possibility of having the Cop or Sensor reveal their information through a Townie so we can't kill them, so this seems like fair game.

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MajorasMask9

I agree with, Majora. I remember when Hezy PMed me and he turned out to be the Traitor. I should have done something about that. <<

But anyways, lets just hope you're right Majora. Do we have to do an assassination kill?

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Castrael

I'm going to do an assassination kill tonight, and it will be on Feral (picked randomly). If he tells me what his role is, that will make my guess easy. If he doesn't get back in time, then I'll assume he's a townie.

May 6, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Then, as a group, we agree to kill Trev?

May 6, 2013
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Castrael

I will agree to kill Trever.

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Apollo Justice

I'm almost positive that I could get something out of Speed (even using a similar tactic to MM if we're sure Speed's not the cop), but I won't yet because for one he's out of town until Wednesday, and two we seem to already have targets.

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Apollo Justice

As it stands, there is a 3-0 vote to kill Trever.

Do we have to do an assassination kill?

Entirely at MM9's discretion.

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`Roxas`

Sure, I'll vote for Trever.

May 6, 2013
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hezekiah

GUYS

FERAL IS THE SENSOR.

HOLY SHIT.

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MajorasMask9

:^]


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Yeano

Just waiting on you guys. It's basically unanimous that you want to kill Trev with the Group Kill, and Cas has said she will hide the Assassin Kill, but will there be one?

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`Roxas`

Ok I calmed down.

Basically, Feral PM'd me saying he's the sensor. Obviously there's a chance he could be playing me right here, but I think I can believe him. I'm going to try to assassin him tonight.

Castrael should hide Feral's body. If Feral really is the sensor, and dies, and the town finds out that Feral was killed by the Assassin, they'll likely assume he's a Townie. We could definitely use this to our advantage later on.

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MajorasMask9

I'll risk it: I'm going to use my Assassin power on Feral, and my guess is that he's the Sensor.

May 6, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Need an official guess on Feral's role before I can end the Night Round.

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`Roxas`

Aaand there's my answer.

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`Roxas`

You have hidden Feral the Sensor's body.

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`Roxas`

yesss

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MajorasMask9

Cas, I think you should hide our kill, not Majora's... unless Feral for some reason admits a power role.

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hezekiah

(duck)

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Yeano

Oh goodness, great job MM {:P}

May 7, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Wah wah wah, five of you remain!

May 7, 2013
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`Roxas`

I guess the vigilante is going to be a bit more dangerous than I originally thought.

May 7, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Oh gosh.

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Apollo Justice

I was just on xat, and told them that day 2 is up, and Pirate_Ninja nearly pooed his pants when he saw that a mafia member was killed. He just seems extremely out of character about it, and he said what a "good job" the vigilante did, etc.

So, maybe he's Vigilante. Of course, including everything that will be said during day 2, I would say it's possible he is.

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Apollo Justice

Who is impulsive enough to kill hezekiah based on two fairly innocuous sentences?

Is P_N really that impuslive? I'm thinking that Hindenburg is that impuslive, but I don't know. Possibly Speed. Possibly Bandit.

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Yeano

Maybe. I'm going to talk to Speed tonight and pull a similar thing that MM did with the Feral, but I'll try and get the info out of him before I say I'm the cop (just to make sure that isn't him himself).

May 7, 2013
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Apollo Justice

I MADE A FATAL FLAW I SAID THAT HEZEKIAH SAID "HI" WHEN HE DIDN'T R.I.P. GUYS I LOVE YOU ALL

May 7, 2013
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Apollo Justice

I noticed. Um, it's possible that others won't notice or that they will write it off as you being new and confused, but Majora thinks that Redack will bring it up.

Let's see how this plays out.

Even if you do end up dying, we've been known to use our own deaths to our advantage, so we may get some information even if you do die.

May 7, 2013
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Yeano

I'm really sorry. I seriously thought he said hi in both posts. I feel like such a big butt now. If anyone points it out, I'll probably just play it off or something. IDK. I guess I'll just hope no one notices.

R.I.P. @ me. I just hope my questioning of Feral throws everyone off so they don't pay attention to it. Whatever. I'M SO SORRY GUYS

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Apollo Justice

Holy shit, guys, I am so sorry I missed all the excitement... {fp}

I'm wondering if I should have sat this game out... {:?} On the other hand, maybe my unavailability will be an advantage.

I have to catch up on the day thread now.

May 7, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Well that was quick.

Apollo, maybe you can argue you got him mixed up with CtR Black, who only said "hi" in the last round.

May 7, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Gosh, I am so out of it. I just glanced through this thread and saw that I said the same thing about Speed twice. I've been really erratic recently, sorry fellas.

Hi, Jo Nathan. And thank you :) That was my plan. I think I actually did mix them up (I don't know either of them...), so it'd be a little silly if people didn't believe me. I know every little tiny detail of the game is important, so I just need to double check what I say before I say it. I'm... not very good... (cry)

May 7, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Hey guys sorry I was at work but home now!

So, I'll stick to what Hezy said and not hide Majora's role. I just wanted to save him incase things got messy.

And about time you show up Nathan! (hehe)

Apollo, just pretend you didn't say it and pray to God that they'll forget what you said.

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Castrael

It something we should be used to by now. We do it just about every game. It's hard to pick someone to lynch on the first day with very little or nothing to go on.

And as of right now, we have 3 players who have not posted anything yet. And we still have about 3 1/2 hours left in day 1.

hezekiah
Yeano
Kaotic


Chief says this. I like to think that he's the Vigilante. I say we kill him next?

May 7, 2013
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Castrael

Speed is definitely vanilla townie, for future reference. And I don't think it's Hindenburg.

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Apollo Justice

@ Vigilante I mean.

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Apollo Justice

Okay, we kill Dooku next.

{:P}

May 7, 2013
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Castrael

Just PMed him and he's a vanilla Townie. He never lies to me.

May 7, 2013
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Castrael

Well, at least that means we have two people who MM would be able to kill in good faith. Good job Castrael {y}

May 7, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Thanks Apollo. :P

May 7, 2013
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Castrael

What exactly did you tell Dooku and Speed?

May 7, 2013
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Yeano

I asked him if he was in the Mafia, and he said no. I asked him if he was a special role, and he said no. We discussed the possibility of chiefsonny being in the Mafia as well.

May 7, 2013
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Apollo Justice

When I get home, ill have to explain everything.

May 7, 2013
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Castrael

I'm really hesitant to post stuff in the Day 1 thread so can I get approval for this first?

"I don't know if white lancer was serious in his indirect indication of Kyon, but if he was, I can somewhat understand it. These were the only two things he said in the Day 1 post:

all mafia members from last game were probably moved to Townie, so there's a good starting point.

Common strategy for the mafia. Tell the weakest link in mafia to inform the rest of the players that they won't be around often.

He said the second quote in response to Castrael for saying she would be at work for several hours a day. He then voted for her, being the ONLY Townie to vote for someone on Day 1.

I'm not saying that I believe it's Kyon, but I don't really understand why he'd say the two things he said. For one, that's a bit of an farfetched claim to say that all of the Mafia members were moved to Townie. In fact, it makes no sense since this is supposed to be all randomized; more than 25% of the starting players were Mafia members in this round. That's just a silly/dumb thing to say, imo. And it just seems like he's trying to push the suspicion off of himself with something completely irrelevant.

Two, I guess I haven't played enough games of this here before, but his second quote just doesn't make sense to me. Why would the Mafia tell her to 'not be around' if she's a part of them? And why would Kyon say she's the weakest link?

I'm not saying I think it's him, and I'm not saying I don't find others suspicious as well. But it's somewhat in response to white lancer, and it's just one of the few things I picked up during Day 1.

I'm actually really bad at reading people (online), and I obviously don't want to push suspicion on him in case he's innocent. It's just my two cents for now. "

May 8, 2013
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Apollo Justice

hesitant to post stuff in the Day 2 thread****

May 8, 2013
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Apollo Justice

If I were innocent, I don't think I'd find anything in that post suspicious. But I'd wait for a second and maybe a third opinion from Majora/Yeano - they seem to be masters of detecting suspicion when they're innocent and evading it when they're guilty.

May 8, 2013
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Jo Nathan

I think it sounds fine.

May 8, 2013
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Yeano

Dooku told me basically that's he's Townie and The Mafia's has already won. Basically saying how unbalanced we are.

I mean, anything can happen.

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Castrael

Just a thought, Apollo does a lot of "reading" in this forum, but no posts for the entire duration. Why? Could it be that she be he, the part of the mafia men in this here game? That's a whole lot of reading for a whole lot of forum without any posts. Just seems suspicious to me because it seems like the perfect opportunity for discussion at the rate of traffic being generated to this forum.

Eh I know I'm not a participant in this game, but here's to hoping someone gets the idea. Curious to know if I'm right.

LLight posted that in the rant thread. Um, is that even allowed if he's not playing? How does he know whether or not I'm reading this forum a lot to begin with...? I mean, I am reading it a lot, but a lot of it is just because it's my first *real* game and this is literally the only week I have free this entire summer.

Shouldn't this be removed or something?

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Apollo Justice

Yeah, I don't know why he'd point that out. That's not even information you could normally come across as a gtx0 user, and people have shown in the past that they even dislike it when you take online times into consideration.

May 8, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Yeah, I don't think he should have said that at all.

May 8, 2013
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Castrael

He shouldn't have, and he knows it. It has been moved to a halfway secure location and is pending proper deletion (only because it is game sensitive information that any staff member could access if they wanted to).

May 8, 2013
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`Roxas`

Thank you, Roxas.

May 8, 2013
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Apollo Justice

No problem. I'll wait until the end of the game to dig it up for a discussion among the staff. (:|) Sorry if this compromises the game for you in any way, Apollo.

May 8, 2013
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`Roxas`

I haven't seen anything happened in the Main Thread yet. I'm sure Redack has probably noticed though, hopefully.

May 8, 2013
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Castrael

No problem. I'll wait until the end of the game to dig it up for a discussion among the staff. Sorry if this compromises the game for you in any way, Apollo.

It's not your fault {:P} don't worry about it, in the end it's just a game.

May 8, 2013
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Apollo Justice

I'm sorry Castrael :(

May 9, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Better be!

{>:(}

Had faith in you!!!!

v.v

May 9, 2013
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Castrael

I'm about done with Mafia anyways. I need a break from the game.

May 9, 2013
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Castrael

Cya everybody. If I dont hear from you.

May 9, 2013
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Castrael

I'm sorry, Castrael. Especially because you didn't really do anything wrong. D:

May 9, 2013
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Apollo Justice

It's fine, don't worry about it. It's just a game. Do me a favor and kill Dooku.

May 10, 2013
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Castrael

And now your numbers are down to four.

Who will be your group kill? Majora, will you target any player with your ability?

May 10, 2013
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`Roxas`

Here is my revised potential cop list:

5. Kyon - Maybe, Maybe not
17. Female Alpha Wolf - Maybe, Maybe not
21. Hindenburg - Maybe, Maybe not
12. CtR Black - Unlikely
15. The Bandit - Very unlikely, but possible
11. white lancer - Very unlikely, but possible
13. Kaotic - Impossible to tell.

I was talking with Yeano earlier and we were thinking of killing Hindenburg as our mafia kill. Idea being there's the possibility he could be a cop, and he's one of the few people that seems like they'd kill someone on Night 1 as the vigilante.

I'll wait to hear any other thoughts you might want to add though, Apollo.

May 10, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Also Jo Nathan I'M SORRY I FORGOT YOU :(

May 10, 2013
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MajorasMask9

I absolutely agree with killing Hindenburg as the Mafia kill. I know I said before that I thought he wasn't Vigilante, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is now (or yes the cop perhaps). I think it's a bit obvious that the Vigilante is impulsive, so he kinda fits the bill.

I would agree on any kill you guys want, though. Also, why don't you think PN is cop? Just potentially.

May 10, 2013
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Apollo Justice

I'm actually not sure. I probably should have left Black Yoshi on the list as well, though I think Yeano will be posting more on that in the near future.

May 10, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Okay, I've been combing through Day 1 (haven't even gotten to Day 2 yet since it ended), and I'm getting a very strong cop vibe from Black Yoshi.

This is the first thing he said, really related to the game:

Sure, chief was a bit defensive, but most of the time that's his style. Claiming Townie on Day One when no one suspects anyone is cause for concern, but I'll let that slide for now since it's only Day One and we have the rest of the game to go yet...


It sounds very much like he was suspicious of chiefsonny and wanted to check him out. Granted, this could be nothing, but there's much more here.

In response to white lancer saying that a cop reveal would be a suicide note (basically), Black Yoshi,

...unless they PM someone and that person posts the results...


This shows that he had thought a lot about this by the time he saw white lancer's reply. Looking at when the replies were posted, it was 8:45ish in the morning for Yoshi's reply. I don't know when he gets up, but that seems pretty early. It may be that he didn't contemplate what lancer was saying for quite a while. He had this plan already developed, and it makes sense in this game. Seems very cop to me. Who else would be so focused on cop actions?

That said, Chief's early Townie claim does raise some red flags. Sure, he claims vanilla Townie in almost every game he plays a Townie in, but never this early on. Usually that happens around the third or fourth day round, and then usually when he falls under suspicion. To claim this early on is almost completely unlike him.


Seems like an out-loud thought process of his own suspicions about who to check during the night (not saying that he did check chief, but it's a possibility).

Also, there's this nugget from Day 2 that Majora brought up:

Damn, that must have been the fastest night round I've ever seen. Usually with this many nocturnal power roles, the night rounds tend to take up most, if not all of the alotted twenty-four hours. This one took little more than six hours. The Mafia this game must be REALLY good...


This makes no sense. Why would the night round going fast imply that the mafia is really good? Maybe you can think of it as "The mafia must be really good because they took out the Governor and did it quickly," but there's also the possibility that he checked Majora or me. We both have a reputation as good players, so maybe he was dropping a hint "The mafia must be REALLY good!" white lancer even points out a few replies later that the logic doesn't follow. It could be a hint.

Ehh... there are some things in Day 2 he said that shows he's not exactly a beacon of logical deductions anyway, but still. Getting a strong cop vibe from him nonetheless. I'll see if anyone else strikes me as the cop.

May 10, 2013
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Yeano

Part of the reason I'm wary of PN is because he has been on here a LOT, but hasn't posted very much, as if he's just constantly monitoring the game. I mean, a vanilla townie would probably do that too, yeah, but he was even saying how he was looking around on the game a lot but hasn't wanted to post.

Like I said, he could be/probably is a Townie. Buuuuuut... something about him just strikes me as something more.

May 10, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Oh sorry, just saw your reply, Yeano {:P}

Well, I can't say I'm the best at reading people, but I understand the points your making. If he IS the cop, he's dropping strange/kinda obvious hints.

May 10, 2013
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Apollo Justice

After reading Yoshi's replies in Day 2, I'm less convinced. And yes, I do think my first instinct about Yoshi being the cop was "This is too obvious."

If he were the cop, he seemed VERY suspicious of chiefsonny the whole time in both days. I can't imagine after Day 1 that he would choose someone other than chief to check. But if he did that, why would he still question chief on Day 2? I guess he could have decided to check someone other than chief, it's a possibility, but I'm less convinced.

But I've got no other leads on the cop.

As far as vigilante goes, my top three suspicions are Hindenburg, The Bandit, and chiefsonny. Hindenburg and The Bandit are obviously impulsive, loose cannon players. It would fit for either of them to be vigilante.

chiefsonny is completely out of character if he's vig - but that's probably what he would be banking on. Each day, he's brought up the vig several times saying "The vigilante shouldn't kill without information" or something like that. It could be that he's trying to draw a very sharp distinction between himself and the vigilante. I could be wrong, but it's a possibility. And he seems very vigilante focused - but that could be that he's been vigilante in past games a few times.

I don't know. What's everyone's thoughts?

May 10, 2013
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Yeano

Well, I completely agree with Hindenburg and The Bandit possibly being Vigilante. Especially after how The Bandit acted in Day 2.

You guys would know better than I do about chiefsonny, since you guys have played this with him before. With whatever he was talking about with his secret thing about the roles (on Day 1), I don't know if that means he's a special role or what, but I wouldn't discount it.

I'm sorry, I don't have much insight on this. You two (and probably Jo Nathan) would know better than me on what to do. But, I stand by my claim (which you guys seem to share) about Hindenburg. That's about it right now. I don't have much of an idea concerning other players.

May 10, 2013
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Apollo Justice

I think we can agree that our top targets for this round, in no particular order, are:

Black Yoshi
chiefsonny
The Bandit
Hindenburg

And since we suspect them of possibly being power roles, I'd rather not use my Assassin kill on any of them unless we pull another stunt like with Feral.

May 10, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Well, as much as I want to kill the Cop, I think Hindenburg is more dangerous to have around, since you never know what he's willing to do.

So I vote for Hindenburg.

May 10, 2013
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Yeano

I still think Hindenburg has a shot at being the cop, too. I'll vote to kill Hindenburg as well.

My Assassin target... I'm still thinking about it, but I'll probably post it very soon.

May 10, 2013
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MajorasMask9

For the Assassin, I will kill Count Dooku--the Townie--and carve out the words "DIE TOGETHER. LOVE, CASTRAEL" in his chest.

May 10, 2013
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MajorasMask9

I'll vote Hindenburg too. (duck)

May 10, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Darn it. Well, at least we got 2 nice kills in. And the vigilante didn't strike.

May 10, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Was talking to Redack (ShadowMoonray) earlier on AIM. He's pretty dangerous.

ShadowMoonray: Oh hi
MajorasMask99: hi
ShadowMoonray: I'm just calling to say
ShadowMoonray: Must you make yourself so obvious :/
MajorasMask99: u r obvious
ShadowMoonray: God, it's so obvious you're mafia
ShadowMoonray: Don't even try to deny it anymore!
MajorasMask99: I'm not mafia.
MajorasMask99: I just did!
ShadowMoonray: I don't believe you
MajorasMask99: Why not?
ShadowMoonray: Because
MajorasMask99: Well whatever
MajorasMask99: I'm going after my own suspicions this round
ShadowMoonray: Me?
MajorasMask99: no
MajorasMask99: Castrael was mafia
MajorasMask99: I don't think you'd tell me to go after her if you were mafia
ShadowMoonray: Actu
ShadowMoonray: Actually
ShadowMoonray: I would
ShadowMoonray: But
ShadowMoonray: That's beside the point
ShadowMoonray: Because you so gave yourself away :-(
MajorasMask99: If I did I'd love to know how!
MajorasMask99: because I'm not mafia!!!
ShadowMoonray: Ok
ShadowMoonray: Let me find it
ShadowMoonray: However I will say that if Castrael shows up innocent, I'll be highly suspicious of Redack as well. Redack and I were chatting before the day round even started, discussing our suspicion of Castrael. However, what I found odd about the conversation was how he wanted me to start the bandwagon against Castrael. I don't understand why he wanted me to do this, so I waited to see what he'd do about it. When he went inactive I grew increasingly suspicious of him, but now that he's stepped up an pointed a finger, I'll probably change my opinion if Castrael is actually mafia. If Castrael is innocent, I'll probably be the one to start the bandwagon against Redack.
ShadowMoonray: You know exactly why I wanted you to
ShadowMoonray: And now you've attempted to shift it to make suspicion on me
MajorasMask99: What, you wanted to see if I'd lynch Castrael just because she's mafia?
ShadowMoonray: No
MajorasMask99: Then what?
ShadowMoonray: I informed you of my desire to play a quieter game
MajorasMask99: I do not remember this
ShadowMoonray: Lies
ShadowMoonray: You're attempting to incriminate me
MajorasMask99: I'm not lier you are >:o
ShadowMoonray: And I won't have it
MajorasMask99: I just said I'm not going after you anymore!!
MajorasMask99: Since Castrael was guilty
ShadowMoonray: Too late
MajorasMask99: YOU'RE TOO LATE!
MajorasMask99: I'm going after Yeano now and you better not distract everyone else
ShadowMoonray: Depends
ShadowMoonray: I'm not sure on Yeano yet
ShadowMoonray: This might be another trick
ShadowMoonray: Besides
MajorasMask99: That's what I thought when you wanted me to start the bandwagon against castreal but you don't see me complaining >.>
ShadowMoonray: By simply being quiet I am a distraction :-)
MajorasMask99: It's true
ShadowMoonray: Now how about we make a deal
ShadowMoonray: You admit to being mafia, tell me one of your allies and then I'll spare you?
MajorasMask99: I'm mafia with Speed Bike Pro and white lancer and Apollo
MajorasMask99: spare me!!!
ShadowMoonray: :/
ShadowMoonray: I currently
ShadowMoonray: Only suspect one of those
MajorasMask99: which one?
ShadowMoonray: ;-)
MajorasMask99: ;-)
ShadowMoonray: Oh yes
ShadowMoonray: You'd like to know
MajorasMask99: IS IT WHITE LANCER?
ShadowMoonray: Lets say the one that made the mistake (that no one has noticed?)
ShadowMoonray: :p
ShadowMoonray: I may be looking into that too much
ShadowMoonray: But
ShadowMoonray: I dunno
MajorasMask99: mistake?
MajorasMask99: WHY DON'T YOU TALK IN THE MAIN THREAD
ShadowMoonray: Well I suppose saying that assumes you, as a mafia, noticed the mistake too
ShadowMoonray: Because
ShadowMoonray: My thoughts are too dangerous
ShadowMoonray: They disrupt the balance of the game
MajorasMask99: or you could post this in the main thread so we can actually talk about it
MajorasMask99: since we're not doing anything by just talking in private


I assume he picked up on that "mistake" Apollo made. Which is really weird.

May 10, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Er.. why would you admit to being in the Mafia? Or were you doing it jokingly?

And why would you say me (cry)(cry)(cry)

We've already lost two Mafia members. And plus, if he points out my mistake... then I will just say I meant CtR Black.

... (fedup)

May 10, 2013
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Apollo Justice

At this point I think we should play under the assumption that Redack is some godly force that knows we're all mafia already but only needs to find one flaw in the day threads to latch onto it and have reason to lynch us.

THEREFORE, I SUGGEST THAT JO NATHAN REMAIN VERY QUIET IN THE DAY ROUNDS.

Still post, but don't say much at all. One liners, maybe slightly more. If he has no ammo against us, he can't convince the town to lynch us.

May 10, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Er.. why would you admit to being in the Mafia? Or were you doing it jokingly?


Jokingly

May 10, 2013
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MajorasMask9

MajorasMask99: So, just out of curiosity
MajorasMask99: how is it you're so suspicious of me, but still not suspicious of Yeano?
MajorasMask99: I've been keeping EVIDENCE against yeano in a textfile on my desktop
MajorasMask99: and so far IMO I think he's very likely mafia
ShadowMoonray: :-)
ShadowMoonray: I have not consulted the witch doctors on his guilt yet
ShadowMoonray: Or I have and I'm just not ready to express belief he's guilty
ShadowMoonray: OR
ShadowMoonray: I'm not interested in expressing my suspicions in great detail with the mafia?
ShadowMoonray: Also be aware
ShadowMoonray: If I die within the next couple of nights, I have informed an agent to deal with you personally
ShadowMoonray: PERSONALLY
ShadowMoonray: anyway be back
ShadowMoonray: Gotta look at someone's computer
ShadowMoonray signed off at 1:31:44 PM.


May 10, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Gosh, being in the Mafia is so darned stressful. I would have been better off just being a lil ol' Townie. (ashamed)

May 10, 2013
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Apollo Justice

I just hope he doesn't mean me with the slip-up. I just don't see how my mistake was serious enough, especially since anyone could have made that mistake. The only other thing I am pondering is that perhaps white lancer is something special and he made some kind of hint towards a special role, and Redack took something out of that. Or Speed.

Anyways, he seems convinced that you're in the Mafia. And it's likely that the cop has investigated at least one of us. Unless the cop is a less experienced player.

May 10, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Redack, Redack, Redack.

I say he should die soon. I don't care that he threatened to have Majora taken out. What if Majora was innocent and Redack was killed? Oops! That would suck for the town.

Plus, wouldn't it be awfully suspicious if you told someone, "If I die soon, I've told someone to take care of you :)" and then they didn't die, despite the mafia probably wanting that person to die? It might be a trap. If Redack doesn't die, he may suspect you of being mafia even more.

But then again, if he wants to play a more quiet game, I guess maybe he thinks he won't be targeted since the mafia won't see him as a big threat. Who knows?

May 10, 2013
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Yeano

HERE I AM GUYS SORRY FOR BEING LATE after 18 goddamn hours of driving. And with two weddings I still have to attend this weekend I am about ready to just collapse (no)(no)(no)
[/rant]

If I were a betting man, I'd say Redack deduced who the Vigilante was and advised him to take Majora out.

I think the town may grow slightly suspicious of him if he's allowed to live, but there is still the chance this would not happen and he'd just continue to identify us one by one.

I have not had a chance to catch up on the remainder of Day 2 or what has already occurred in Day 3, but I've seen enough to know that it's become something of a boxing match between you two guys (Majora and Yeano). This is a bit reminiscent of many games in the past...

There is actually an idea I've been mulling around for several games now and I've been waiting for the perfect opportunity to use it, and the planets look like they're lining up for this... I'll see how things go with your boxing match and if it makes sense to do so, I'll elaborate more on it when I'm done with my traveling.

May 11, 2013
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Jo Nathan

I look forward to hearing your plan.

Also, I'm like 98% sure that Black Yoshi is not the cop at this point.

Still thinking Bandit could be the vigilante. But I no longer have any consideration as chief as the vigilante. His reason for claiming Townie is just so... him. It doesn't seem like it's something he would be making up.

Just throwing that out there.

Also, town-sided people need to stop being wizards and guessing everything correctly. That's not cool.

May 11, 2013
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Yeano

Redack is clearly dangerous but I don't think he's the cop or anything. I think--if anything--he's in contact with the person who's the cop. I don't think this is too likely though, and I'm totally thinking his threat of being in contact with someone who will kill me if Redack dies is a bluff.

I think FAW is the most likely to be the cop now. She's been mostly quiet and hasn't exactly thrown suspicions around. In fact, most of the other cop candidates have thrown suspicions around, but in the wrong direction.

I'd like to say we should kill FAW and The Bandit next night round but I'm not sure I want to use an Assassin kill on them unless I can confirm their roles.

May 11, 2013
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MajorasMask9

I agree whole-heartedly with killing The Bandit; since Hindenburg wasn't anything, my next guess for Vigilante would be The Bandit.

While I know this game is a lot about taking risks, I think it would be extremely detrimental if we lost you just because of a wrong guess for Assassin kill, MM. Especially because we're down to 4 people now. MM and Yeano are probably looking the most suspect right now - it's likely that the Vigilante will kill one of you in the coming night (depending on which side of the argument between you two they believe). I probably look the next-most suspect behind you two, and Jo Nathan probably looks the least suspect (which is good, since he turns up innocent by the cop as it is). Anyways, this is why I think killing the Vigilante is more of a priority than killing the Cop; a kill on either would be great for us, but I have a strong feeling either Yeano or MM will die tonight if the Vigilante decides to kill.

May 11, 2013
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Apollo Justice

I agree. Killing the vigilante this round should be a priority, and there's a good chance it's The Bandit.

May 11, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Just so everyone's in the loop.

Shadow Moonray 12:58 pm
So I'm sitting here
Looking at this screen
Thinking to myself
Is Yeano mafia?
Majora says you are
But I think Majora is
Therefore does that mean you're not
Or are the two of you both mafia and pulling off a convincing act to make the winner appear innocent :/
And then i was like

Shadow Moonray 1:00 pm
Well, I guess I'll never know :(

YeanoGames 1:00 pm
???????

Shadow Moonray 1:01 pm
You'd tell me if you're mafia right?

YeanoGames 1:01 pm
If I were mafia, no, I would not tell you.

Shadow Moonray 1:01 pm
Are you mafia?

YeanoGames 1:01 pm
No

Shadow Moonray 1:01 pm
But
:(
Blegh

Shadow Moonray 1:02 pm
Is Redack mafia?

YeanoGames 1:02 pm
I can't be sure. Probably not, but it's a possibility.

Shadow Moonray 1:03 pm
Hrm, thoughts on lancer?

YeanoGames 1:03 pm
It seems like what he's been saying is genuine.
At least, so far.

Shadow Moonray 1:05 pm
:/
I dislike that Speed is Speed
I find him hard to read

YeanoGames 1:06 pm
He doesn't make arguments. He just states his inklings as fact.

Shadow Moonray 1:07 pm
Like how I keep telling majora he's mafia?

YeanoGames 1:08 pm
If you're doing that, I guess it would be similar to that, maybe.
That's a little vague.

Shadow Moonray 1:08 pm
Yea
I'm having a lot of fun
Telling majora
He's mafia
I think he's annoyed at it by this point though

YeanoGames 1:08 pm
I know I would be annoyed if you kept telling me I was mafia.


From here on out, I started talking to him about Adventure and math, and he started to leave me alone when I talked about math.

May 11, 2013
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Yeano

Wait what I thought Shadow Moonray WAS Redack?

May 11, 2013
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Apollo Justice

He is. He must like talking in the third person like Majora.

May 11, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Why must life be so confusing, fellow Mafia members..... why must Redack speak in third person.....

May 11, 2013
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Apollo Justice

I think we might have recovered fairly well from anything that happened. Speed and Black Yoshi appear to be suspicious of CtR. I don't think anyone is going to vote for Yeano or myself, especially if Speed votes for CtR.

Maybe if you think you can do it without drawing too much attention to yourself, you could support lynching CtR as well, Apollo? I think the fact that you know Speed pretty well off-site would make it easier to vote for him without seeming too suspicious. I also don't think you should get involved in the back and forth between me and Yeano; it might be better to just distance yourself from us entirely. Your call on this, though, because I'm honestly not sure what the best option would be!

I think we have about one more day IRL before this round ends, maybe a bit more. If we can make it to the night it'll give us another shot at killing the Cop or Vigilante. I'll definitely be using my Assassin kill, but I'm not sure who I'd use it on just yet.

May 12, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Yeah, my plan was to not get involved in the finger-pointing between you two {:P}

Okay! I'll support lynching CtR. Speed really seems to think he's in the Mafia (he's been pretty adamant about it on Faded Enigma), so hopefully it'll help more suspicions to be raised towards CtR.

I am 99% sure that Speed is a vanilla townie, so perhaps you could mull that over as a possibility for Assassin, MM. Or chiefsonny, since he seemed to be very vocal about being just a vanilla townie. I'm sure you'll make a good choice with whatever you do decide on, though!

May 12, 2013
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Apollo Justice

I DON'T WANT TO LOSE YOU YEANO

May 13, 2013
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Apollo Justice

ty, Apollo.

YOU SAVED THE WORLD.

For now.

May 13, 2013
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Yeano



May 13, 2013
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MajorasMask9

It was stoopid of me to go on about how I have theories because now I'll look suspicious for not elaborating on them. If I do it now, I'm afraid that it might change the lynch away from CtR and that's not what I want to do.

May 13, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Yeah, looks like CtR's fate is sealed. High fives all around, even though I had nothing to do with this good fortune. {:P}

Majora and Yeano: I have a gut feeling the Vigilante is going to take one of you out during the next night round. At the very least, I wouldn't be surprised if the cop investigates one of you.

May 13, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Yeano isn't entirely safe yet though. (ashamed) If he gets 2 more votes..... (cry)

Will any of you be voting for CtR as well?

And a gracious thank you to Majora for the musical track ;)

May 13, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Right now between Yeano and myself we've talked about these two as being the likely power roles:

Female Alpha Wolf (or maybe Kyon) - Cop
The Bandit - Vigilante

However, there's obviously still a good chance this isn't accurate. I'm a little hesitant to use my Assassin kill on either of them, anyway.

If The Bandit is the vigilante he will definitely shoot Yeano in the night. However, if FAW/Kyon are the cop, they'll almost definitely reveal their cop results in some form next round. So it's a bit hard to say how we should do the night kill.

If I could somehow confirm FAW/Kyon or The Bandit's roles before the night ends, like how we did with Feral, that would probably be the best way to handle this. I'm not entirely sure how to do that though.

May 13, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Well, maybe it will be good to take some time this night round, instead of rushing through the last two night - I know people have been pretty suspicious of how quickly all the Night actions have occurred, so maybe it'll be a bit of a throw-off. And it will give us time to maybe get information out of people. I think we have a chance of pulling some info out of Kyon - I could try, but I can't guarantee anything. I think you or Yeano would be better suited for that, but I don't know if it would seem normal for you guys to talk to him.

I think it would be good to talk to PN, too. Just saying.

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Apollo Justice

Which of those players are you least confident about assassinating? That could perhaps be the person we use our regular kill on, although it always makes things a bit nerve-racking to have Redack still alive.

Can't wait to see if CtR was anything more than a plain townie.

May 13, 2013
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Jo Nathan

You must have ESPN or something, Jo. {:P}

Who will be your victim(s) tonight?

May 13, 2013
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`Roxas`

Here's a run-down of my thoughts on the remaining players:

Chiefsonny could be lying about being a townie... But it seems unlikely. I'll be the first to admit, though, that his reasoning for claiming Townie sounds like it could be a lie. He could be a power role that wanted to try fooling the Assassin. I think if he was a power role, it'd be Vigilante.

Redack strikes me as a Townie. If he was the vigilante I probably would have been dead by now. If he was the cop I definitely would be dead by now. Then again, he has been constantly harassing me on AIM, whether he's joking or not.

Pirate_Ninja could be a power role but I'd be surprised. If he's the vigilante, killing hezekiah seems way out of character for him. If he was the cop, I think his votes--especially the ones made in Day 3--would have been a bit more careful. I find it hard to believe the cop doesn't have at least one guilty verdict yet.

Black Yoshi has brought up a few suspicions, but some of them are against Townies that he's suspected since Day 1. I find it hard to believe he'd still suspect chiefsonny in Day 2 if he was the cop, and I think he'd have shot chiefsonny Night 1 if he was the vigilante.

white lancer is hard to tell. I think his day arguments point away from him being the cop, and I know he would never take the risk to shoot hezekiah in Night 1 as the vigilante.

SBP really seems like a vanilla townie to me. He could be the vigilante, but I don't think he's the cop. I really just think he's a Townie though, and would risk an assassin kill on it if need be.

Kyon is an enigma. If he was the vigilante he definitely would have shot Castrael Night 1. He could be the cop, which was why he was so sure of Castrael's guilt, but who knows.

The Bandit seems like the only person--aside from chiefsonny--who would be willing to kill hezekiah as the vigilante Night 1 based on the little hezekiah said. Hard to say either way if he's the cop.

Kaotic hasn't posted at all. If he's the cop, he's actually pretty dangerous because of the fact that the nights are ending early, meaning the cop is getting results. I think he's just a vanilla townie though. If he was the vigilante, I guess he could take a random shot, but I don't know anything about him at all.

FAW hasn't said much and by process of elimination seems like a very good candidate for Cop. I doubt she'd be the vigilante, just based on the vote for hezekiah.

tl;dr:

chiefsonny: Maybe vigilante, not cop.
Redack: Not vigilante, could be cop I guess.
Pirate_Ninja: Probably not vigilante or cop.
Black Yoshi: Probably not vigilante, not the cop.
white lancer: Not the vigilante, probably not the cop.
SBP: Could be the vigilante, probably not the cop.
Kyon: Not the vigilante, maybe the cop.
The Bandit: Likely the vigilante, maybe the cop.
Kaotioc: ???
FAW: Probably not vigilante, likely the cop.

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MajorasMask9

If I had to pick one of the power roles that I'm most confident in for an Assassin kill, it would probably be The Bandit as the vigilante.

He seemed a bit miffed about not killing anyone in Day 1. That could account for the random vigilante kill. In Night 2, since the round ended early and nobody was killed by the vigilante, either the vigilante target was Dooku/Hindenburg (and it just overlapped with our kill) or they made a reply in their thread saying "I don't want to kill anyone tonight." The Bandit had no idea who to vote for in Day 2 so it's entirely possible he genuinely thought it would be a good idea not to kill anyone.

Later in Day 2, he also made a post saying that it probably wouldn't be a good idea for the town to try to guess at who their own power roles are. This could mean that he's a power role that doesn't want to be figured out.

I still want to think it over for a bit. We have an entire day, anyway.

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MajorasMask9

Kaotic, I'm nearly positive, is a vanilla townie. He tried to show screenshots of himself proving he was (on Faded Enigma), because he had some log-in error or something on here that prevented him from posting in the Day threads. Take it with a grain of salt, if you will, but I'm nearly positive that he's just a regular ol' townie.

Speed is almost definitely a vanilla townie.

Also, PN was the Vigilante last game (Dragon in 17.1). It almost definitely has no bearing on this game, just a fun fact.

And this:


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Apollo Justice

(duck)

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MajorasMask9

Also, in response to your thoughts, MM, I do think the most likely suspect for Vigilante is The Bandit, but unfortunately I am not sure on the Cop. Some people, on Faded Enigma, think that FAW is a Mafia member, so maybe she is something special, which only leaves the Cop OR Vigilante, but.... likely the cop.

Also, MM, since Speed is quite suspicious of you, I think he could be worth the risk of an Assassin kill.

Just my two cents. You fellas are all the smart ones here, though. {:P}

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Apollo Justice

I think I can safely say that the vigilante is either The Bandit or chiefsonny. Pirate_Ninja played a very safe game as the dragon, and never killed anyone (forgot about that game.) I'm still wary of chiefsonny, though... But I really think I'd be willing to risk taking a shot at The Bandit in hopes that he's the vigilante.

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MajorasMask9

I feel like I could talk down Speed if he goes after me. His claim that I'm the Assassin is very specific, meaning he either has information from an outside source and knows I'm mafia and is just grasping at a reason to lynch me, or he found one small thing that I said in the day round which probably wouldn't be enough to get the town to turn on me anyway. I'm personally more concerned about the cop then Speed at this point.

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MajorasMask9

But.. we need you, MM.. I.. I don't want you to be revealed... (cry)

What if you got the Vigilante wrong, and the Vigilante kills Yeano tonight, and then you get lynched tomorrow... :(

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Apollo Justice

I guess we could always kill The Bandit with our mafia kill and hope that he's the vigilante, and use our Assassin kill on someone we think is a Townie, but I'm still real nervous about the cop. The vigilante is clearly a more immediate threat than the cop, but every round the cop becomes more and more dangerous, and I'm thinking that they'll likely reveal something next round.

I could try to do some PM shenanigans with The Bandit and try to get him to reveal his role. If he doesn't respond or doesn't say anything about his role, we can kill him with our group kill. If he's the vigilante, I'll use my Assassin kill on him.

If I do try to get info out of him in private I'll post about it here.

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MajorasMask9

As a modified version of one of your suggestions - we could use our Mafia kill on The Bandit and then you could try to assassinate whoever we think may be the cop but make "townie" your guess. If that person really is the cop we'll have confirmed it and we can take him/her out next night round, but we'd unfortunately lose you in the process. But if that person is townie, that's an extra kill for us tonight.

Ideally we would keep as many of us alive as possible so maybe this is something we might consider as a last resort.

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Jo Nathan

Redack knows I'm in the Mafia. He's telling all of xat right now. So, the cop is probably talking to him behind the scenes or something. IDK. But he is 100% sure I am Mafia.

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Apollo Justice

What is he actually saying?

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MajorasMask9

I can't go back in the conversation far enough to get screen caps, but he came on and basically had us guessing for 20 minutes who he was (which was really irritating), and then he says to Speed and I, "if I tell you who I am, will you tell me if you're in the Mafia?" and Speed and I both said yes and at that point I was sure it was Redack, so Speed and I said no and he said "Apollo is lying, she's in the Mafia, I'm sure of it" etc, and Speed was like "SHUT UP SHE'S NOT" and the only other person there at the time was Hindenburg, and he didn't care about it. He stopped briefly and we attacked him (jokingly) because he kept lying about these random things, so Speed doesn't suspect me (or if he does, he's trying not to) and he kept internet-yelling at Redack when he accused me. ANYWAYS... Redack kept telling us that MM was in Mafia too, and he told me if I were in Mafia and I told him you were in it that he wouldn't kill me, but I blew him off and he seemed a bit frazzled. I kept hurling things back at him, and either way Speed didn't seem to know any different, which was relieving. He left right as Kyon got on, so Kyon didn't see any of it.

He's a butt, that one... {>:(}

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Apollo Justice

Oh!! And he did catch my thing with hezekiah, so I think that's why he thinks I'm in Mafia. But I corrected him trying to seem as innocent as possible. Sooooooo.. we'll see. HE'S A BUTT

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Apollo Justice

He is indeed a butt. I think we might be able to convince the town to lynch him. He's been really shady, going to pretty much every player off-site and rarely posting in game. He's made some wild accusations and asks other people to act on them. It's pretty shady.

The hardest part in convincing the town would be because he was correct in leading the lynch against Castrael. Which sucks.

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MajorasMask9

I love the guy, but I have to say I don't agree with that method of play...

I think we may be able to convince the town to lynch him, especially because of his action against Cas. If I were innocent, just the way he went about pursuing her would give me the impression of him trying to prove he's innocent. Nobody would suspect a Mafia member of taking out one of their major power roles - that is the kind of thing only a player like Redack or yourself would do, which is why I feel it would be believable when it's coupled with his odd behavior.

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Jo Nathan

I think Kyon took all of the credit for lynching Castrael. Single-handedly. And he's VERY proud of it and is excessively voicing it.

But I think we have some chance at lynching Redack. He's acting dangerously, and even if we did kill him tonight (which I know we won't), he'd still probably go around and tell people stuff postmortem. He's taking it so seriously and putting everyone (you, Yeano, me) on the spot, and I just find that a bit irritating since he's barely saying anything in the actual game. As you said, it's shady.

I guess the good part is, he seemed slightly flustered by how accusatory Speed and I were towards him. Perhaps since I've never spoken to him before, he didn't know what to expect. But, that's another point. He came on and accused me on a chat without having ever been acquainted with me before. In other words, butt.

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Apollo Justice

I think Kyon took all of the credit for lynching Castrael. Single-handedly. And he's VERY proud of it and is excessively voicing it.


Good. Hopefully he'll tell that to Redack's face IRL in the mafia thread.

I'm going to go draft up a reply for the day thread, similar to what I wrote for Yeano. It'll be a bit more difficult since all of our conversations took place off-site, so I can't quote him on anything, but I'm hoping to use this to my advantage.

I think the best part about this is that if we manage to kill the vigilante and Assassin an innocent player, the ratio will be 8-4. If we lynch Redack in the next round instead of Yeano like I assumed, it will be 7-4, then 5-4 if we Assassin/Kill combo again.

At that point, I think we might be able to brute force the vote in our favor if we stall until the last minute. You mentioned talking to Kaotic on xat so I don't know how much you guys know him, but considering he hasn't been posting I find it hard to believe he'll vote unless specifically asked to. If we wait long enough, we could possibly tie the vote, and kill someone else at night, making the ratio 4-4 and winning.

Granted, we still have a lot to worry about before then, but it's a nice thought :).

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MajorasMask9

Kaotic is having a game registration/account issue that is preventing him from posting. Unfortunately, there is nothing I can do for him.

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`Roxas`

Not making this official or anything, but I think my Assassin kill will be white lancer tonight, with my guess being that he's a Townie.

This honestly has nothing to do with the fact that it's Night 3, future white lancer that's reading through the mafia thread after the game is over. That's just a bonus :).

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MajorasMask9

Am I to assume we're going through with using our Mafia kill on The Bandit? I guess that's still subject to change pending off-site investigations, but in case I don't get back here later I'm casting my vote for The Bandit.

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Jo Nathan

That seems like the safest option.

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MajorasMask9

I vote for The Bandit.

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Yeano

I will also vote for The Bandit. {:P}

Now.. We hope... We hope to the good graces of Mafia that he is The Vigilante...~

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Apollo Justice

So for confirmation, group kill is The Bandit and Assassin kill will be targeting white lancer, with the guess of Townie.

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`Roxas`

I have not yet officially placed my assassin kill just yet. :(.

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MajorasMask9

Okay. (look) I know it was brought up but wasn't sure if that's what you wanted to do (hence why I asked for confirmation).

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`Roxas`

Alright.

Officially: Assassin kill on white lancer, the Townie.

GET READY GUYS THE NEXT DAY IS GOING TO BE ROUGH.

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MajorasMask9

I'M SO SCARED

WE MUST LYNCH REDACK

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Apollo Justice

It could be a risk, but I think if we all voted for the same person early on, other people would be more willing to vote with us. People probably wouldn't expect all of the remaining mafia to vote for one person, and they'll just go with the flow cause that's how they roll.

Yeano should probably refrain though since people consider him suspicious right now though.

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MajorasMask9

OH GOD

YEANO IS DEAD

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MajorasMask9

YOU GUYS... I... FAILED.

THE REST... IS UP... TO YOU...

PAYBACK ME!

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MajorasMask9

Whoops made the screen go all far out. Please tag that if you can, Roxas..... I'M SO SORRY

WHAT DO I DO WITH MY LIFE

HOW WILL I CONTINUE

HELP ME MM

HELP

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Apollo Justice

White lancer is vigilante right? So we kick his BUTT?????

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Apollo Justice

OK final thoughts:

Jo Nathan has been pretty under the radar and he might be able to slide by to the end. Apollo should stick with Speed to the end and maybe get Redack lynched.

white lancer kill next round is obvious and Redack should probably be lynched (don't know if you can convince the town anymore). Keep speed and kaotic alive I LOVE YOU ALL

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MajorasMask9

I DON'T THINK I CAN HANDLE THIS REDACK KNOWS I'M BAD HE KNOWS IT MM I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH MY LIFE

I LOVE YOU TOO I'M SO SCARED

I CAN'T HANDLE THIS MM I JUST CAN'T

JO NATHAN IT'S TIME TO TEAM UP AND KICK BUTT

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Apollo Justice

ALSO NIGHTKILL CHIEFSONNY YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO LYNCH HIM GOODBYE CRUEL WORLD

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MajorasMask9

Jo Nathan, when we do Night 4, I think we shouldn't submit our votes until the morning at least - if we're going to convince the town it's Redack, since he lives a few time zones ahead (assuming you live in the US {:P}), people won't think it's him because the round will end in the middle of the night where he lives, which is.... fishy.

OKAY NIGHTKILL CHIEF. Also, you played a great game, MM. Good job. Thank you for all of the help. We will try and take it from here. I'm very proud :')

And Roxas.... please tag my obnoxiously long post if possible. I didn't know it would spread the screen. :(

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Apollo Justice

Farewell, Majora. This was our first game as Mafia together, which was actually a huge relief for me. I hope to work with you again in the future.

*plays Taps*

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MajorasMask9

Apollo, I think your idea to let the Night round drag on is a good one. If the town still isn't convinced they should lynch Redack, though, I feel he should be the next to go.

Despite Majora's request to let Speed live, Speed's intuition has been crazily spot-on most of the game and he could be trouble. Not saying he should be a priority, but it's something to keep in mind.

From what I can tell, the only thing you may have to worry about is Redack going after you for misquoting hez. And even then, I feel he's just grabbing at straws.

As for me, what might be my undoing is how I talked about having theories and then saying nothing about them. I have an idea for damage control but I'm hoping I'm not called out on it to begin with.

I feel there are other people who have acted more suspicious than we have, so we might just pull this off.

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Jo Nathan

As for me, what might be my undoing is how I talked about having theories and then saying nothing about them. I have an idea for damage control but I'm hoping I'm not called out on it to begin with.


I think white lancer would be the only one alive to actually call you out for that. And you guys are killing him tonight so it shouldn't matter too much.

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MajorasMask9

Thank you so much for this Phoenix Wright music, MM.. It calms my nerves despite having you be so far from us... Rest in peace, young warrior... Gone but never forgotten...

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Apollo Justice

I'm good with that, Jo Nathan. But, I do feel like Speed and I have quite the alliance together and I'll downplay if he starts casting doubts on you. We gotta have each otha's backs, my brotha...

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Apollo Justice

For sure. I really hope we can make it through together. Let me tell you, it SUCKS being the last Mafia left and trying to fend off everyone. I hope you don't end up in that ordeal, although you'd probably handle the situation much better than I did my first time being Mafia.

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Jo Nathan

We'll do our best. I know I look a bit suspicious, especially because people might see that I redirected the votes from Yeano to CtR.. :( but.. sigh. We didn't choose the Mafia life... The Mafia life chose us~

Either way, there is at least a 99% chance I will wind up dead before you. You literally haven't done anything to look suspicious. You'll be fine. :)

Tonight, we kill... Tomorrow, we kill... They will all die.......... except us

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Apollo Justice

although you'd probably handle the situation much better than I did my first time being Mafia.


Didn't you end up convincing me that you were innocent and end up winning??

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MajorasMask9

You won't read this until after the game now, but to answer your question: Nope! I convinced everyone I was innocent and got everyone to vote off #85, but then at the last minute FAW the FBI Agent showed up after being inactive for most of the game. Panic ensued, I made a dumb move, and Frustro tore me to pieces in the last round.

Indeed, I've yet to win a single game while playing as Mafia, and that is the one thing I've been striving for so I might redeem myself after that incident.

So Apollo, I will come back later today to cast my vote for who to kill, and hopefully that will throw them off a bit.

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Jo Nathan

Aaand it's possible that I may have cost Apollo the game if any living players saw that thread (which was supposed to be moved somewhere outside the forum).

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`Roxas`

I don't know what you're referring to but it sounds really serial. (horror)

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Jo Nathan

Jo Nathan, A few days ago, LLight posted in the Rant/Discussion thread basically saying "Apollo is probably Mafia", even though he's not playing in the game, because he was checking specifically which pages I was viewing on GTX0. I know Speed and Pirate Ninja saw it - Speed didn't think anything of it, but I don't know what it put in Pirate Ninja's head.

And Roxas, it's not your fault!!!!!!!!!! LLight was just being a butt. If it does influence the game in some way, it's okay. I'll go down fightin'...

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Apollo Justice

I mean when I split the page-stretching post this morning. It was meant to be sent to another forum but ended up still here in this one. I've since moved it, but I'm not sure who saw it.

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`Roxas`

Any way, it's about 10 hours into the round, so there's still plenty of time to get your actions in.

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`Roxas`

Oh! Whoops. I thought you were referencing the LLight thing {:P}

Not many users are usually on in the morning, so hopefully it will be okay. We will hope, Roxas...~

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Apollo Justice

Also, I vote to kill white lancer.

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Apollo Justice

I think we've let it drag on long enough. I too will vote for white lancer.

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Jo Nathan

My, this round is off to what looks like a good start so far... I'd be surprised if he gets lynched in the end though, but fingers crossed!

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Jo Nathan

Time to get down to business, Jo Nathan...

Speed and I are going to attack Redack today. We're going to try getting him lynched. We might fail. I might be lynched. Who knows. Either way, I think we're ruthlessly going after Redack - we have some good comments that he's made that throw up some pretty large red flags, so hopefully we will get them all. We're going to try and convince people that him, Yeano, and MM had this big network of confusion going on by all going at each other.

The good thing is, it doesn't seem like anyone suspects you. You've played a really low-profile game, but in a good way. If I get lynched today or tomorrow, or whenever - I think you can handle it. I want to be here and stick it out, but... we'll see...

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Apollo Justice

Yes, Speed is making a really good case against Red, I must say. I hope it doesn't occur to anyone that Majora also was playing out of bounds...

I thought of an insane idea that I might employ if and only if the efforts to lynch Red fail. I have a whole list of reasons I can post as to why I think Red is innocent. A Mafia helping to save Red, of all people, would be like the holy grail of unexpectedness.

If Red turns it around and gets suspicion away from him, you might still be ok if people give you the benefit of the doubt, particularly as a newer player. Red has been acting completely different this game, and the fact he's still alive in Round 5 should also turn a few heads. Also I think Speed would be more likely to be lynched before you are, since he's been way more aggressive with his playing, especially with taking the lead against CtR.

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Jo Nathan

Dang, Red's already dragging you into things. {:/}

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Jo Nathan

I thought of an insane idea that I might employ if and only if the efforts to lynch Red fail. I have a whole list of reasons I can post as to why I think Red is innocent. A Mafia helping to save Red, of all people, would be like the holy grail of unexpectedness.

Perfect idea. I think that'd work out very well. :)

I'm going to ignore Redack for now. If he starts getting really on the offense, I'll go after him. I WILL go after him today, just not right this second. Speed is posting more against Redack, so I guess we'll see how it goes.

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Apollo Justice

Makes sense. If Red can get lynched without either of us getting our hands dirty, that would be the best. Speed would very likely be under scrutiny if that happens.

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Jo Nathan

I'm finding myself very hesitant to defend Speed's hard stance against Redack. See, this is what I was thinking:

1. As you said, if Redack can get lynched without either of us looking like we took a strong part in it, that would be great. But, Speed would probably face being lynched the next day. Which would also be okay, but it would be nice to have him alive for a bit longer than that, since he's quite helpful to us.

2. If Speed gets lynched today, it could look good for me, since I have been defending him (and will continue to defend him), and if you are neutral on the issue you could also look pretty innocent. So maybe suspicions will be lowered a bit for me (though I think Redack is still pretty convinced I'm in the Mafia). Then, Black Yoshi will look pretty guilty for leading the lynch against Speed - he did the same with CtR, so maybe we could even get him lynched the next day. Either way, I think we could use Black Yoshi as a lynching target rather than a night target.

3. For our night targets, I was thinking that we should consider killing Redack (if he's not lynched) and Pirate_Ninja. As MM said, we should night kill chiefsonny, too. Just something to keep in mind for the future.

Of course, these are all tentative thoughts. This isn't going to be easy, but I have a gut feeling that we can pull through this. We're lucky to have no special roles left to hinder us or make us look bad. With that being said, the people who have been examining everything critically (like Redack) are probably the ones that need to die sooner.

Let me know what you think. {:P}

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Apollo Justice

Well I had thrown in my two cents about Speed so I'm no longer neutral, but that should just mean we both look innocent if/when he gets lynched.

I agree that if we can't get Redack lynched, he should be our next night kill. If the town doesn't lynch him now, I doubt they'll lynch him ever. And I agree about night-killing Pirate next, too, as he could be trouble.

I'm just brainstorming here, but here are some potential scenarios I see playing out:

  • Redack gets lynched, we night-kill Pirate, Speed is then lynched very easily
  • Speed gets lynched, we night-kill Redack, Yoshi is then lynched very easily
  • Yoshi gets lynched, we night-kill Redack, but now that Redack is proven innocent it'll look like we're trying to frame Speed and he won't be very easy to lynch...
  • Yoshi gets lynched, we night-kill Pirate, we pray that Speed will keep pursuing Redack

    I would very much like to avoid the 3rd and 4th options if possible, but we'll have to see how things play out here.

    One possible complication is that people might suspect you if Redack is killed off, because he's the only one who is suspicious of you. For another insane idea, I am wondering if it might help you if we let Redack live some more? Him staying alive might cause him to rethink his suspicions. On the other hand, he's still dangerous no matter what so that would be a huge risk...

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    Jo Nathan

    Yeah, those scenarios sound about right. I (very hopefully) don't see us getting lynched tonight, just because there hasn't really been any suspicion cast straight over us in the Day 5 thread yet. And like I said, you've played a very safe game thus far, so I think you're good for now.

    If Redack is killed off, I don't think the townies will be too suspicious - only because he never directly indicated me as Mafia. I think any Mafia would know it's good to kill him off anyways, since he's so good at this game, you know?

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    Apollo Justice

    True that

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    Jo Nathan

    Ah dang, I just saw the main thread... Redack's got his crosshairs on you now.

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    Jo Nathan

    Life is rough, Jo Nathan... it is rough... but we shall pull through.

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    Apollo Justice

    Indeed, we will put up a good fight.

    Why didn't we kill Redack sooner? (duck)

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    Jo Nathan

    I know... that darned Brit... (crs)

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    Apollo Justice

    I have a suggestion to make. Female Alpha Wolf and I have made it to end-game several times together, both while I was innocent and while I was Mafia. If that happens again I feel there's a chance she'll sniff out subtle clues that I'm Mafia. I suggest that she be either our next night kill or the one after, although if I die before you then it's really a moot point.

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    Jo Nathan

    At the start of Day 6 the ratio will be 6-2. If we can evade lynching for just two more rounds, we'll get the ratio to 2-2 and we'll win.

    We should pick our next night-kill very carefully.....

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    Jo Nathan

    Once Redack is finished, these are our remaining enemies:


    chief - might make a good lynch target due to his uncharacteristic behavior earlier in the game, not to mention his inactivity. The little activity he has shown seems to indicate he may not really be all that into this particular game and won't have the motivation to put up a fight. No offense, chief.

    Kyon - might make a good lynch target because he only posted once in each of the last two rounds, only to vote, and didn't add anything to the discussions.

    Black Yoshi - might make a good lynch target because his behavior could be viewed as shady and he tried hardcore to get Speed lynched. Maybe Speed will go after him with a vengeance...?

    Speed - has made the crucial mistake of trusting you. He seems set to defend you to the death and may give us a big chance of winning in the event that I'm taken out and you're all that's left. One thing that worries me is that if he is kept alive, it might clue him in to the fact that he's on the wrong track and he might start to rethink things.

    Kaotic - he makes me nervous... I don't know if and when he'll return to the game, and I don't know if he would be a good player and sniff us out. Although he isn't a threat while being inactive, he could come back to ruin us if we let our guards down.

    Pirate_Ninja - doesn't seem overly suspicious of either of us, but outside of Mafia he does strike me as a smart person. That could spell trouble for us, but he seems intent on potentially going after Black Yoshi in the next round. For this reason, maybe we should night-kill him so people will suspect Black Yoshi even more...?

    Female Alpha Wolf - just to recap what I said, she has the potential to sniff me out and kill me, plus I doubt anyone would suspect her enough to want to lynch her. She might be a good one to night-kill.

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    Jo Nathan

    Yes, yes... Good thinking. {:D}

    Kaotic is literally unable to post. Like, something is actually wrong with his account so that he's unable to even post in the thread. He might be host-killed, but I have no idea. But I don't think we need to worry about him. I wouldn't be nervous.

    I think all of your points are great - to night kill PN and FAW. But as MM said, we should consider night-killing chiefsonny as well.

    Also, this is something I'm sure Roxas could clear up - but don't people get host-killed for inactivity? I don't mean Kaotic since he has serious problems with his account, but like chiefsonny who hasn't really posted at all besides the first days. I don't really know the protocol, that's why I ask.

    I think that Speed and Black Yoshi are lynch-able. Especially because BY has indicated all these people EXCEPT for Mafia members. But who knows. I'm very afraid I will be lynched because of what Redack said. I'm actually pretty mad about it, because I'm almost certain he must have seen that tagged post or something since he literally had nothing else on me. A gut feeling won't get you that far, if you ask me.

    But we can discuss that more later, of course. But I think it's good that he's getting lynched either way. He's been a bit of a pain.

    May 17, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    For the Mafia players, Redack is always a huge pain. {:P} That's why he's almost always killed in the first night or two.

    I still don't agree with some of the methods he used this game, and to be honest I don't agree with the method we used to kill Feral either (no offense Majora). But since most everyone is playing out of bounds anyway, it almost seems necessary for us to do the same in order to stay competitive. And that just doesn't seem right to me. I guess there's nothing we can do to stop it, but I for one would hate for a game to devolve into a crazy mesh of a metagame when it becomes my turn to host.

    Sorry for the rant.

    May 17, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Haha don't apologize! It's a great point. And I'm the rant-iest person in the world, so I'm the LAST person you need to apologize to for that. {:P}

    I agree that the out-of-game talking is arguably taking it too far. I feel a bit bad for dragging Speed into these things, but I mean that's how everyone else is playing the game, and as you said, if others are doing it, we can't really compete unless we do it, too. I hope it is limited a bit after this game. I know I've said this at least 500 times - but Redack has intimidated me so much out of game and everything I said in front of him made me anxious or worried. It just stinks. Obviously the host can't control it, so I wish the players would stick to the game itself a bit more, ya know? It's like a moral obligation... or whatever. I don't even think what MM did was that bad - I mean, Feral didn't have to say anything in response if he didn't want to, we just got a bit lucky with that. Don't get me wrong, I understand why you don't agree with MM's method too much - I just think some players have been worse than that.

    May 17, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Ugh, I am so anxious for Day 6. I'm very afraid that people will immediately vote for me because of Redack's post without any explanation. {:(}

    May 17, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Yes, they would be able to be host killed. I'm heavily considering doing so to Kaotic since he isn't going to be playing this game, but not deduct points since there was an error by both of us.

    May 18, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    Also, 21 hours remain for a decision to be reached.

    May 18, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    I'm looking back through stuff and now I feel kinda bad for accusing Redack of playing annoyingly, just because I've been convincing Speed I'm a townie and he's stuck by my side, which is also playing a bit shadily. So, I think I've been too harsh against Redack, and I'm wondering if it's been bad that I have played the game "with Speed" if you understand what I mean.

    Maybe I shouldn't worry about it. I just don't want to personally offend anyone. {:P}

    May 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Yes, they would be able to be host killed. I'm heavily considering doing so to Kaotic since he isn't going to be playing this game, but not deduct points since there was an error by both of us.


    Ah, okay. Well, I wouldn't object to that.

    May 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I'm looking back through stuff and now I feel kinda bad for accusing Redack of playing annoyingly, just because I've been convincing Speed I'm a townie and he's stuck by my side, which is also playing a bit shadily. So, I think I've been too harsh against Redack, and I'm wondering if it's been bad that I have played the game "with Speed" if you understand what I mean.


    Yeah, well when I think about it, I can't really say anything either. I've reached out to other players before via PM which is pretty much the same thing, and I even worked together with hez through Gmail once.

    Let he who hasn't sinned.... um, tie the first noose?

    Bad jokes aside, I will vote for Pirate_Ninja.

    May 18, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Unless Jo changes his mind, that's all there is to it, but I'll be fair and give Apollo a chance to come in with her decision as well.

    May 18, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    Thanks, Roxas {:P} I will agree with Jo Nathan to kill Pirate_Ninja.

    RIP, I loves you....~

    May 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I'm.. in a pickle. {:(}

    May 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Jo Nathan if you vote chiefsonny or Black Yoshi like now and we can get 3 votes against him he can be lynched since we only need 1/3 vote!! Please be active ooh goodness D:

    May 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Wait, sorry to spam the chat, but I'm a little thrown off. Never mind. 6 votes needed for the same option. My bad!

    May 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Still the 2/3 minimum of the known ratio, hun. {:P}

    May 18, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    Apollo, it saddens me to ask this, but would you forgive me if I chose to vote for you? Even if we both survive this round, I feel very strongly they will keep trying to go after you in the next round. If you are taken out of the picture and are proven guilty, all eyes will be on Speed and potentially Black Yoshi for defending you and it may seal the deal for our victory.

    May 19, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    I am really sorry. (cry) If this doesn't work out for us I will forfeit any good playing points I get and let you have them.

    May 19, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    I.. It's okay... I.. I understand... (cry)

    You must go forth and win for us... You are our last hope...

    I DON'T WANT TO DIE

    I would definitely nightkill chiefsonny btw. It might not have made a difference in whether or not I was lynched today, but he was the main driving force against me and I don't want him to sniff you out, either. That way, at least you'll have Black Yoshi and Speed Bike Pro looking awfully guilty. Then again, you seem to be quite wary of FAW as well, so of course it's up to you but be careful in your choosing is all I'm saying. I would keep Black Yoshi and Speed alive though. They're very viable lynch targets and will probably go after one another.

    You can do this. You've acted quite innocent thus far, and participating in my lynching will hopefully help that image.

    And hahahaha, don't worry about points, it's all about having fun! But thank you for the offer {:P}

    I think you can do this. I have a lot of faith in you. Kill everyone in my (and MM's, Yeano's, Castrael's, and hezekiah's) honor! You're our last shining hope, Jo Nathan {:P}

    May 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I forgot about Kyon. Darn it. It seems like he has this tendency apparently to just pick someone out as guilty and stick with it (kind of like with Castrael, and Speed Bike Pro). So he's a little dangerous in that way but... he doesn't seem suspicious of you. So I don't know if he'd be a good nightkill or lynch target, it's up to you.

    If you kill chiefsonny in the coming night, it might be good because suspicions would be even higher on Speed, therefore I would highly suggest that. But people also might think he's just being framed. Sigh, I'm not sure. This is all so complicated {:P}

    May 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Things have certainly heated up. {:P}

    If Speed calls me out and tries to take the lead in getting me lynched, don't be afraid to join in. If I get lynched and everyone sees I was Mafia the whole time, they may leave you alone for the rest of the game. You could argue the Mafia tried using Redack as a cheap excuse to gang up on you and make you an easy target, and maybe that will be enough for them to tear each other apart.

    Will be interesting to see how the others respond next.

    May 19, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    I did that to aid in my lynching actually, because if they see me arguing with you, they probably won't suspect you're Mafia. Like, since I'm calling out your quote directly. Know what I mean? {:P}

    To put in other words, when they find out I'm mafia and saw I was arguing with you, they probably won't suspect you're mafia then. You know what I'm saying?

    I tried not to be too mean in my reply, I hope you didn't get offended. (cry)

    May 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Ugh, sorry if I just somehow incriminated you. I'm trying so hard to just make everything go right that I'm messing up. I'm sorry (cry)

    May 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Okay, more spam by me (I'm so sorry for my spammage) but the reason I think I incriminated you possibly was because of me saying I think it's BY and chief, because when I'm lynched they'll see that it probably isn't one of them - that's why I put everyone's name except Speed in the next reply. So I don't think it's too big of a deal but I'm just doing the best I can to.. idk. I stink at this game. I'm sorry.

    May 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Hey, no worries. If I get lynched it will be because I provoked Speed.

    You've actually been doing great. I still think Redack was grasping at straws and it's bad luck that he turned out to be right (although maybe he really did see that incriminating post before it was removed), and despite all that you still have Speed fighting tooth and nail for you and Black Yoshi questioning his own judgement.

    Now I'm not sure which way this round will go... if Speed was convincing enough, maybe he'll get the others to lynch chief after all.

    May 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    That made me feel quite a bit better, thank you for saying that {:D}

    And I hope. I'm just so worried about him being suspicious of you too. But his suspicions may wane, he tends to change his thoughts on who is guilty a lot, and also tends to be wrong quite often.

    As long as you and I stay on different-ish pages as far as the Day thread goes, hopefully people won't associate us as collaborating in the Mafia. We made it this far, let's hope we can get a little further (maybe to the end!) {:P} I am still like 98% sure I will be lynched, but I will do it honorably. {O:-)}

    May 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I'm wondering.....

    If Speed is able to convince one other person to vote for chief, I might consider being "swayed" to vote for him too. Chief gets lynched, everyone sees he's innocent, and I think it would be incredibly difficult for Speed to survive the next round.

    I just wish the other players would come back and give their two cents so we could see where this round is headed.

    May 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    "If we're throwing out who we think is suspicious, I'd have to say that I think the remaining Mafia is Apollo and Jo Nathan."

    After that by FAW, I'm becoming quite terrified. Oh, goodness. {:(}

    As far as what you said, I will definitely vote for chief if I have to; I just don't know if we can make 1 person vote for him too...

    I'm so scared (cry)

    May 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    That sucks. I kick myself for killing Pirate instead of her now... {fp}

    There's a chance her suggestion won't be considered, but if it is and we go down, it's been fun scheming with you.

    Just... don't blame yourself. I'm certain it was my actions this round that gave us away.

    May 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    We put up a great fight! And hopefully we can still prevail. There's a small bit of hope, at least...

    It's been fun scheming with you too!! And it's not your fault, believe me! It's not anyone's fault, we were at a disadvantage as it is.

    I think everyone would have been a threat this round, as in PN would have been a threat if you didn't pick him. You know?

    We'll just kick back and see what happens. For now, I'll frequently check on both of these threads for us to make further decisions. (duck)

    May 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Yeah, I agree that would be the best course of action for now.

    Ok, this has to be pointed out:

  • I'm the Godfather
  • We're almost at the end of the game
  • FAW is the one that may very well bring me down
  • Roxas is hosting

    ^ All of these things happened when I was Mafia for the first time. I'm wondering if this is some kind of sign... {:P}

    • May 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Hahaha! Such odd coincidences. Except.. you see.. this time... FAW will not bring you down... Not if we can help it!

    May 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    The town seems too chaotic at the moment to give FAW's thought much consideration.

    A glimmer of hope...

    May 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    I think it's too late for you at this point unless others do start voting for Speed or chief, but I will do everything I can for us... (fedup)

    I am doing some serious brainstorming... last night I had all but given up on the game, but I'm seeing some possibilities now.

    I may leave chief alive because he and Speed might continue to go after each other.

    Kyon also seems pretty sure Speed is Mafia, and Kyon has posted barely anything so he might be an easy lynch target in a couple rounds.

    I dare not kill off FAW at this point because then I'd really be painting a big red target on myself. Maybe a little later...

    I'm thinking Black Yoshi might be an ideal candidate for the next kill. If the last three players are him, chief and myself, I won't be able to use the "but I voted for Apollo" defense so I definitely need to go after Yoshi, and maybe chief afterwards. What do you think?

    May 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Considering that Black Yoshi MAY change his vote, I might - just might - be able to pull through. Worst outcome, I am still lynched, but we also MIGHT be able to get a no kill. Maybe. Who knows? This last hour will tell a lot.

    I know you'll make the right choice either way, but if you would like my two cents, I think you should definitely night kill chiefsonny and let Black Yoshi live. The thing is, he seems to be heavily swayed, and if I'm lynched today instead of Speed, him and Kyon will go after him without any hesitation. But chiefsonny is a threat. He's good. And Speed might suspect you - but I wouldn't take it TOO much into account (especially if I'm killed because they'll think everything he says is wrong). Not to mention MM seemed to feel strongly that you should nightkill chiefsonny.

    If you can, for now before the day is over, keep tabs on the game. Because if people start voting for Speed maybe you'll just happen to vote for him because he's seemed so guilty, or whatnot. I don't know. It would just be so much nicer to have two Mafia members alive for at least one more round, you know?

    May 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Absolutely. I'm on lunch for the next hour so it'll be somewhat easy to keep an eye on things.

    And if you do have to die, I'll stick with the plan to night-kill chief. Majora certainly knows better than I do.

    May 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Okay, great. I would just like something to go right for us, hahaha. And yeah, if I'm lynched, I would definitely consider FAW too. She was hot on both of our tails, and maybe you can just say someone was trying to frame you? Who knows. This game gets so stressful in the end!! Goodness!

    May 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I think - I THINK we might have a plan.

    Maybe.

    Okay, I have 3 votes against me right now - yes. If I vote for Speed, he will have 2 votes against him. If he gets 1 more vote, then there will be a no kill (since it will be tied). He is extremely willing to vote for himself to balance it out so that I don't die.

    But TWO things have to go our way.

    One, Kyon has to KEEP his vote for Speed and not change it.

    Two, FAW will have to remain inactive before the deadline so that HOPEFULLY she won't vote.

    We have one hour left. Let's hope our hardest. Avoiding my death would be really great and hopefully people will begin to reconsider, especially since we will get a nightkill in.

    Do you follow what I'm saying? {:P}

    May 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Shoot! I'm sorry I didn't get here sooner, Apollo.

    If there's anyone else watching the game up to the last minute, maybe one of them will vote for Speed on impulse. Maybe...

    May 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    DANG

    I half saw that coming but am still surprised O_o

    May 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    AHHHHHHHHHH OH MY GOD WE MADE IT ANOTHER NIGHT TOGETHER <3 <3 <3 THIS IS SO EXCITING

    WE HAVE A CHANCE OF WINNING!

    IF THEY MISLYNCH TOMORROW WE WIN!!!!!!!!!

    May 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    IF THEY MISLYNCH TOMORROW WE WIN!!!!!!!!!


    OMG I swear if they all go after Speed in the next round this would be just fantastic.

    Also it's worth noting this: thanks to this no-kill, the game will end from a Mafia kill rather than a lynching. This means, if one of us dies, the last round will be 3 townies vs 1 Mafia, instead of 2 vs 1. In other words, one more suspect to hide behind.

    May 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Also it's worth noting this: thanks to this no-kill, the game will end from a Mafia kill rather than a lynching. This means, if one of us dies, the last round will be 3 townies vs 1 Mafia, instead of 2 vs 1. In other words, one more suspect to hide behind.


    (let's hope I did the quote box right) That's perfect then isn't it?? Just the fact that we stand a chance is so amazing! I thought we were done for, 5 Townies vs. 1 Mafia would have been crazy!

    I see the light at the end of the tunnel...~ Let's go for it, amigo. We can do it. {:D}

    May 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    So I still agree we should vote for chief but let's just briefly discuss the possible results we'll get from this, in case there's something we might be missing.

    Chief was going after you. With him dead and proven innocent, I'm wondering how Speed would respond:

  • Going after you because he realizes chief really did have good intentions, and that maybe he was wrong about you after all?
  • Going after me because I was next on his list, despite the fact that he was wrong about chief?

    No matter what Speed does, maybe nobody else will listen to him at this point because he tried killing off his third townie. This could result in several things:

  • Everyone will suspect him and opt to lynch him
  • Everyone will assume he's just a townie with bad ideas, ignore him and finish the job of lynching you like they tried to do this round

    I'm almost certain Kyon will vote for Speed again. Maybe Black Yoshi will too, based on his last post this round.

    Question for Roxas:
    After our night kill, how many votes for one player will be required to end the next Day round?

    • May 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    The reason I ask is because something seems off to me about the threshold for this round. 7 players alive, 6 votes required...? Just wondering.

    May 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    You're right; if we nightkill chiefsonny, Speed might move on to you as far as his suspicions go. I think it's safe to say that Speed and I are the next targets, though; hopefully they kill off Speed, but, who knows. If Kyon jumps on Speed, and Black Yoshi follows, and you and I do as well, we MIGHT stand a chance. But I don't think anyone will listen to Speed too much if he says you're in the Mafia.

    I think FAW is quite dangerous since she posted about both of us being in the Mafia. So, I'm not sure what to say about her. We can wait to discuss her, I suppose.

    For this night, I will suggest that we kill chiefsonny or FAW. But we probably shouldn't worry too much until it the night actually starts. Also, we should probably let some time pass before we cast our "official" votes for who we decide to kill during the night - since we've both been somewhat active users, it might strike suspicions in people if they've been checking the active users tab.

    May 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I agree.

    Also, when I get out of work tonight I'll compile a bigger list of things to consider. Basically the pros and cons of killing any of our remaining enemies. And just for reference:

  • chief
  • Speed
  • FAW
  • Black Yoshi
  • Kyon

    FAW may pose a very great threat alive, but I think killing her might be suicide for us... Best case scenario, we may be able to kill off Speed tomorrow before FAW has a chance to do more damage, because she does tend to be somewhat inactive.

    • May 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    After our night kill, how many votes for one player will be required to end the next Day round?

    Five votes will be required.

    The reason I ask is because something seems off to me about the threshold for this round. 7 players alive, 6 votes required...? Just wondering.

    Reasoning behind that is I've gone off of the known ratio the entire game, so I didn't want to mess that up. 5/8 is too few, so 6/8 had to be the threshold.

    May 20, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    Ok, that makes more sense. Thanks.

    Apollo, I have a feeling the next round is going to last the full 48 hours, no matter who we kill. Three of the four remaining townies will need to vote for someone before we can jump on and finish the job, and I doubt we'll be getting FAW to vote for Speed. Unless his last stunt miraculously convinces her that he's guilty.

    If by chance one of them does get three votes without our help, we will have to both be online at the same time and coordinate our votes to be near simultaneous, in case someone is refreshing the page waiting for us to snipe.

    May 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    I've been trying to come up with any kind of plan/explanation/excuse that might allow us to kill FAW and escape suspicion. After thinking really hard about it, no matter what, if we kill her I think we'll be arranging our funeral. {:?}

    If we kill chief, I fear that Speed will rethink everything he believed, and I also think everyone will assume Speed is being framed. Or they might think Speed is trying to trick them into thinking that and go after him anyway, especially after his vote tying.

    If we kill Black Yoshi or Kyon, I think it's less likely people will think Speed is being framed, and chief and Speed might continue to go at it.

    Also Speed has given Black Yoshi the benefit of the doubt multiple times. If we kill Black Yoshi, maybe people will think Speed was deliberately doing that to try to sound innocent.

    Radical idea: WTF would happen if we killed Speed?

    May 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Hehe, look who's spamming now. (duck)

    One thing I'll try to do (I really hope I have time for this) is go back through the previous rounds and refresh my memory on every person that Cas, Majora and Yeano pointed their fingers at throughout the game. This is something we'll have to bear in mind so that the town doesn't poke holes in any of our stories.

    May 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    If we kill chief, I fear that Speed will rethink everything he believed, and I also think everyone will assume Speed is being framed. Or they might think Speed is trying to trick them into thinking that and go after him anyway, especially after his vote tying.


    You're not wrong - that is a good point. But it seems as though no matter WHO we kill, we will be facing risks. So it will take a lot of thinking.

    I'm reading everything you say, I promise, just trying to think about stuff. Hmm.

    I just had a thought - bear with me. Tomorrow, we will be at a 4 v 2 ratio. So, by the end of the day, someone will need likely at least 3 votes to die. You and I are two votes right there. Let me give you an example. Pretend we kill chief - worst case scenario, BY, FAW, and Kyon vote for me (or you, but that's doubtful). Speed obviously won't want me to die, and he might pull the same stunt again - so if us 3 vote for a different cause, a no-kill would persist. And then, if we kill someone on the next Night, the only votes needed to kill someone would be you, me, and Speed. Are you following me?

    ... There is just a lot to think about. Hmmm.

    May 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Yes, great idea. I'll try and do the same. {:D}

    May 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    We really really shouldn't kill Speed. He is basically a part of the Mafia, hahaha. We need him, and he needs to stay alive. I also really think we need to keep Kyon alive - I would consider killing BY though. And I'm starting to understand you not wanting to kill chiefsonny - maybe it WOULD be a good idea to keep him around another day, especially if it means Speed keeps indicating him. Maybe us 3 just happen to vote for him in the next day...? {;)} We'll see what happens, of course.

    It seems like Cas didn't really indicate anyone, and MM/Yeano pretty much just indicated each other. That is good for us. Maybe I missed something, but I don't think I did?

    Also, I don't think it's a good idea to even talk about the possibility of each other being Mafia anymore. As in, in the main thread. You voting for me still didn't make FAW and Speed not suspect you, you know? So I really don't think we should vote for each other at this point. We're down to the homestretch and as long as we have Speed on our side, I think we stand a good chance at winning this.

    But yeah. I'm definitely rethinking killing chiefsonny. Perhaps he isn't the best target. In that case, I'm starting to feel like BY or FAW would be our best targets. But you really seem to not want to kill FAW, which is totally okay {:P} Therefore, maybe BY. We have a bit of time though!

    May 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    This may be subject to change, but if I don't make it back here before the Night round ends, my vote is for Black Yoshi.

    May 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    I'll put my vote in a bit later, because I would like to stall until much later tonight before a final decision. Though I will likely go the Black Yoshi route as well. I know Jo Nathan is the Godfather and would have the final say either way but I just think we should wait so that it doesn't look like the Night goes TOO quickly {:P}

    Will you be around tomorrow so that we will be able to discuss and plan/strategize during the next day? Because I really think we've got it at this point, especially if you, Speed and I at the least vote together for someone. Or even if everyone votes for Speed and we lynch him tomorrow, then we'll win.

    May 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Alright, well, I suppose most options will pose risks at this time, and while I'm hesitant to do so (but I guess I'd be hesitant with anyone), I'll vote for Black Yoshi.

    May 21, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I'll be around for discussion today.

    My final vote is for Black Yoshi. And my deepest apologies to the rest of our team if this turns out to be the wrong move.

    May 21, 2013
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    May 21, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    No, no. We'll be fine. As long as Speed votes the same as us (and he will), we're very likely to achieve victory.

    This is just the WORST case scenario:

    Everyone who is not Speed or you vote for me. That's 3 votes against me. (or replace you with me; same scenario). You, Speed and I all vote for a DIFFERENT person to save us. A no kill ends the round again. Do you see where I'm going? Then, we kill someone, and the ratio is 3-2. A same vote by you, Speed and I will cause a lynching of someone, and we will win.

    Do you follow what I'm layin' on the table? Not to mention this is only the worst case tactic we would need to employ.

    Speed will likely continue his campaign against chiefsonny since he we kept him alive. We'll let him do that, and I will vote for him too, and I hope you follow if that happens. So even if there is a tie in votes, like I said, a no-kill would be fine.

    Best case scenario, everyone goes after Speed, they lynch him, then we win after our night kill.

    We're good on this one. But please, before we make any votes for lynching, can we post in here before we do it? I just want to make sure we're on the same page, haha. This is the most crucial part that we need to work together on. Our team skills must shine brightly...~{:D}



    We got this!

    May 21, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Yes, chiefsonny has already voted. It seems as though the tides of votes against me are beginning.

    We'll see what happens... but I'm not going to respond until a few more responses are there. Hopefully Speed will hop online and do his thing. PLEASE don't vote for me this time, haha, the only chance we stand is if we don't vote for each other at any time again. We're SO close to winning with 2 Mafia members, and since we can avoid getting lynched pretty easily, I say we'll be fine.

    But he seems pretty sure that Speed is Mafia. This is a good sign. If we can get Speed lynched, as I said, it will be GREAT for us. Because, well, we'll win.

    May 21, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    But please, before we make any votes for lynching, can we post in here before we do it? I just want to make sure we're on the same page, haha. This is the most crucial part that we need to work together on. Our team skills must shine brightly...


    PLEASE don't vote for me this time


    Gotcha.

    This round is going to be extremely tense. I wonder what's being said in the dead thread right now...?

    May 21, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Two people change their votes at the last minute to make it a tie and stop the lynching of Apollo.

    Speed Bike Pro
    Apollo

    And we lost another townie.

    Do I need to say more?


    That is just beautiful. Speed may have signed his death warrant with his stunt. Nobody can fault chief for following that logic.

    I don't want to lose you, but if you do get lynched, let's pray that Speed will be next.

    Kyon may still vote for Speed, and maybe chief will be swayed to do the same, but I seriously doubt FAW will. I guarantee the round will last the full 48 hours.

    May 21, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Goodness goodness no, Mr. Nathan, there will be no lynching of you or me! You mustn't worry, victory is only a few small steps away!

    If you, Kyon and I vote for Speed, then he may or may not die. Especially if chief is swayed to vote the same, which he probably could be, since I DOUBT he'll be happy with another tie.

    There are so many possible scenarios that can happen but if we can lynch a Townie today then we win. Worst case scenario, another no kill happens. Either way, we'll see to it that neither of us gets lynched {:D}

    This round is going to be extremely tense. I wonder what's being said in the dead thread right now...?


    Redack is likely rolling over in his grave (which might have been said before), and... well, the thread is probably crazy. Hahaha.


    That is just beautiful. Speed may have signed his death warrant with his stunt.


    I certainly hope so. Him being lynched today would be perfect for us. Because we'd, you know, win the game without any more silly complications. {:P}

    May 21, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    "
    Two people change their votes at the last minute to make it a tie and stop the lynching of Apollo.


    I voted at the end of the day round not even realizing how close it was to the end. I knew that if one person changed their vote to Speed, I'd be saved, and I was hoping for that because a mislynch would have made us near-losing. I don't see how that proves I'm Mafia. It proves that I didn't want to be lynched, because why would anyone want to be lynched? I didn't expect that Speed himself would do that to save me. Maybe because he wants to appear like he's innocently saving a Townie? Maybe not. I don't know.

    I feel like I'm continuously defending myself against these arguments that hold little substance. I don't see how the fact that I voted for someone else at the end of the day proves I'm Mafia. I'm sorry that I'm trying to defend myself from being lynched when it will literally end the game.

    I would like to point out that a mislynch today is a guaranteed loss for us. 4-2 is the alive ratio, and if a Townie is lynched, that ratio becomes 3-2, and then a night kill will end the game with the Mafia winning."

    ^ Is this okay for me to post in the Day thread?

    May 21, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I read through it and it looks good to me.

    May 21, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Just don't accidentally copy the "Is this ok for me to post in the Day thread?" part. {:P}

    May 21, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Hahahahahah! Nope, definitely didn't copy and paste that part.

    It's okay. Even if 3 people vote for me, we'll still be fine; I don't even see Kyon voting for me since he already voted Speed, so I'll probably only have 2 votes my way. Speed has just said he's got my back 100% so we're going to make it. This day round is already intimidating me but I know we can win. We gotta do it for our fallen brothers and sister, Jo... They will be proud of us {:P}

    May 21, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Hahahahahah! Nope, definitely didn't copy and paste that part.


    This whole game I've been super paranoid that I'm going to accidentally post in the wrong thread and expose us... it drives me crazy a little bit!

    What you said was good. Hopefully it'll cause a bit more confusion.

    May 21, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    I understand your paranoia! I've been the same way, hahaha. I tend to at least quadruple check everything at this point {:P}

    Yeah, I hope it causes confusion. I just can't believe I'm still alive. It's great. I'll be alive until the end... WE BOTH WILL!

    I should just be the designated motivational speaker for the Mafia. It's half of what I say. (hehe)

    May 21, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Just a heads up, should a Townie be killed, I'll only need Jo's vote to end the game.

    May 21, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    Thanks, Roxas.

    Speed is completely unfazed by what FAW said. So that's fine, because he says he will do whatever he can to ensure that we both don't die. Which is good, as long as you have my back, too. I have a feeling it will come down to a tie again to avoid me getting lynched. Sigh. I blame all of my hardships on you, Redack {>:(}

    I was thinking, Kyon seems pretty sure that Speed is Mafia. But, it's not likely that we can lynch Speed - chiefsonny and FAW want to have me lynched, Kyon wants Speed lynched, and even both you and I voting for Speed would still only be 3/6 votes for him. But, if you, Speed and I vote for someone to lynch (later on in this day), that could potentially be 3 v 2 v 1 vote (3 for the person we vote for, 2 for me, 1 for Speed). That's another outcome we could consider that could potentially work, assuming Kyon keeps his vote for Speed. Then we would win. Of course, then we might come down to a tie again if Kyon changed his vote to me instead. This is all assuming FAW votes btw, which she didn't even do last round.

    I feel like everything I say is so confusing. I'm very sorry {:(} I guess my point is that we have a good chance of lynching someone if you, Speed and I vote together for the same person this day round. But I'll let him but himself out there first before I do anything. Either way, at this point, we absolutely can't afford to have either of us lynched. Though, it's looking good for you because no one has even brought you up yet this round. {:P}

    May 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I better say something at some point, I guess. I don't want to look suspicious by not saying anything or voting.

    Just not really sure what to say... {:P}

    May 22, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Guys, how sure are we that Speed is guilty? And Speed, how sure are you that chief is guilty? I'd have thought one of you would be dead by now if one of you were Mafia, and it seems like maybe the Mafia are just enjoying watching the town self-destruct.

    I think we should take a minute and think about what we're doing here.

    Jo Nathan hasn't said anything yet; I think he's waiting for an opportune time to make a move, or maybe he's too afraid to say anything to incriminate himself. I think maybe FAW was on to something with her post in the last round, and maybe it's worth giving some more thought.


    There, I think that would make a decent post in the main thread. I'll just proof-read it for spelling and grammar mistakes now...

    May 22, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Ok, here's a real post that I'm considering:

    I can see what Speed is trying to say about doing another no-kill, but I'd be concerned that it might be helping the Mafia more than the town. Probably the person being the least suspicious will be night-killed and we'll still have a clusterfuck of accusations and such. Meanwhile, the Mafia get a whole lot more time to scheme and plan, not to mention their votes will hold more weight in the next round because there will be one less townie around to make things more balanced.

    If we can come to a consensus (ha) on who should die, I think we should take a shot. It'll be a lot easier to weed out 1 Mafia in the next round if that remaining member no longer has a teammate to back him/her up.


    The only problem that could happen is that chief and FAW will still want to vote for you, Kyon will probably not even post again this round and still be voting for Speed, and Speed will be wanting to vote for chief.

    I'm thinking.... our cover will be 100% blown if we try voting for chief with Speed and then someone makes a tie at the last minute to result in a no-kill, but maybe we can pull it off. Or maybe chief will be swayed to vote for Speed if you and I do.

    Hmmmm.....

    May 22, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    The one thing I'm weary of is, if I go after Speed, he and FAW will be all over me, and chief might be convinced that I'm Mafia.

    If I go after chief, he and FAW also will be all over me.... but then maybe Speed will be convinced that chief and FAW are the remaining Mafia if that happens. But then Kyon might by chance come out of nowhere to back up FAW and chief.

    Oh, how Kaotic things have gotten...

    May 22, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    I think both strategies you have pointed out are good. And I'm having a hard time deciding myself (because I will vote with you with whatever you vote, of course I won't make it obvious though)

    For achieving the results we're looking for, a lynch today of someone besides us, your plan for voting Speed would be the most effective. But I still really like the plan of killing chiefsonny, so I'm having a hard time giving some input.

    Kyon is likely to not change his vote. That should be taken into consideration. Chief is also likely not to change his vote, but I think he could be more swayed to vote for Speed (though obviously I wouldn't be able to sway his vote). FAW, I don't even know if she will vote. But if she does, she'll likely vote for me.

    The one thing I'm weary of is, if I go after Speed, he and FAW will be all over me, and chief might be convinced that I'm Mafia.


    Keep in mind that chief has explicitly said that he is sure Speed is in the Mafia. I don't think he'd be suspicious if you went after Speed.

    BTW, your post was good in the main thread. For you at this point, someone who isn't seeming guilty, short and sweet is good {:P} I have become victim to long, drawn-out responses... by myself.

    I think we've narrowed it down to two choices. We vote for chief along with Speed, or we vote for Speed along with Kyon. Both will HOPEFULLY result in a lynch, but at the very least a no kill. But if we vote for chief along with Speed, we'll need to wait for him to vote chief first.

    Honestly at this point I see an equal number of advantages and disadvantages with these two choices.

    May 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Hmmmm...

    This is my potential game plan - at some point, preferably late tonight or early tomorrow morning, I vote for Speed. I reason that it would have been better to go after you, but Kyon will probably not change his vote and it would make sense for me and chief both to vote for Speed to help prevent another tie. If it works, then chief will change his vote for Speed. You maybe should hold off on casting your vote until we're close to the end of the round, assuming you'll have access to the site tomorrow morning.

    Possible problems:
  • Kyon changes his mind and votes for you (maybe we should have a plan B in case this happens)
  • FAW is persuasive and gets people to not listen to me, but instead vote for you, which would really make me suspect #1 in the next round
  • Chief sees through my plan and goes after the two of us (although he seems pretty sure of his suspicions at this point)
  • Speed makes a really good case for himself and convinces chief that he's innocent
  • People (well, mostly just chief) start putting more thought into the fact that Redack said Speed was innocent

    • May 22, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    ^ This is just a suggestion. Let me know what you think!

    May 22, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Oh snap! What if.....

    Chief's main motive for going after you is because Redack told us to. Redack also told us not to lynch Speed. Why would chief only listen to part of Redack's suggestion?

    Either this is possibly something we could use against chief, or chief is actually not suspicious of Speed and is just setting a trap.

    May 22, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    I do like your plan, but the biggest problem it brings up is that Kyon COULD potentially change his vote at any time. And what you just brought up (about Redack's plan) is also something to take into consideration.

    So now I'm liking the lynch chief plan better. Because if you, Speed and I vote for him, that is a SOLID 3 votes against him. There isn't anything that could change that (like Kyon changing his vote wouldn't affect us). In that case, absolute worst-case scenario would be a tie again, we kill someone during the night, then you, Speed and I vote for chief again next Day and win the game.

    It MIGHT be dangerous to go after Speed. ESPECIALLY if it ends in a tie, because then he won't want to support me anymore if I vote for him.

    Speed is solid in his stance against chief (we were talking about it last night). So at this point, and like I said, especially since you just brought up that he might be setting up a trap (since he's only going after me because Redack said so), I think maybe we should go for chief. And perhaps we could use voting for Speed as a fallback plan? It's always good to have one of those. {:P}

    If you and I wait until near-ish to the end to vote for chief (I already said I'd probably vote for him in the Day thread, keep in mind), then hopefully Kyon wouldn't change his vote and chief will get lynched.

    What are your thoughts?

    May 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    That may be a good course of action.

    I don't think it'll make you look any more suspicious than you already do to vote for chief, considering he's the one going after you so hard. And I think I can present a case against him decently enough, especially if Speed is there to back me up.

    Strikes against chief:

  • Quickly jumping at Redack's request to lynch you, with pretty much nothing else to go off of
  • Neglecting Redack's request to leave Speed alone - blatant contradiction
  • Being relatively shady for most of the game, even before this whole thing went down with you and Speed


    So.... is Speed ever going to talk to you again once this is over? (ashamed)

    • May 22, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Great - I'm glad we seem to have a plan, then. I'll speak with Speed about it and our tide against chief shall begin. (evil)

    We (or I if you don't want seem suspicious) can bring up those points, because they're very good - especially the one about Redack saying Speed was innocent. If chief's going to listen to Redack about me, there's no reason he shouldn't listen to him about Speed, too. And also, I remember Day 1 and 2 chief was acting really strange, people thought it was weird that he was role-claiming, etc. So maybe that could be brought up.

    I'm so excited, I hope our plan works! Oh my gosh if chief gets lynched.... I will be SO DARN HAPPY!

    So.... is Speed ever going to talk to you again once this is over?


    Hahahahahahaha, yes absolutely. He will probably be like "oh my gosh you got me SO good, how could I be so stupid" etc and probably just find it hilarious. His mind will literally be blown though, I'm so excited to see his reaction when he sees that I'm Mafia. It will be the funniest thing ever. I'll make sure to document it. {:P}

    May 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Okay, I've talked with Speed. He will be voting for chief later today he says. {:D}

    Goodness this is so exciting... If we win... Oh my goodness.... (duck)

    Like, while I know we obviously have a very high chance of winning now, it's just so unreal because we were literally on the verge of losing before. Everything seemed to be falling apart. But now oh my gosh SO EXCITING!

    I.. I think this plan, while I know it's tentative, to lynch chief... I think it'll work... My faith in it is strong. {:D}

    May 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Also oh my gosh sorry to spam but the round ends tomorrow at 9:28 AM Eastern Time, for a reminder. So we need to make sure to get our votes in before then. I will be up before then in case we have a last minute change of plans or something but I hope that won't be necessary.

    Of course if you feel anything should be changed/altered/whatever now please let me know. I'm just getting so ahead of myself (I have coffee with an extra shot in it right now... So I'm quite hyped up {:P})

    May 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Haha don't worry about spamming. I did plenty of that myself. Heck, I even do it whenever I'm the last Mafia (or alien) standing, just to bug the hosts. {:P}

    I will definitely be on tomorrow morning.

    May 22, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Haha, okay, great, great.

    So, here is what I have in my head as the tentative plan - feel free to make any changes you see fit.

    Speed will vote for chief soon. Surely he'll point out some "evidence" as to why chief's in Mafia, and if he doesn't, I'll add to it when I vote. Later, I'll vote for chief too and provide reason, mostly being because he's attacked me so much {:P}

    And then there's you! And you vote for chief whenever is convenient for you.

    What do you think? This is obviously assuming we stick to our plan of lynching chief.

    May 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    We'll have to see if any interesting comments are made that might affect things, but it sounds good.

    Question: does Speed know I'm planning on voting for chief, or does he think it's just you for now?

    May 22, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Funny thing you ask, some recent developments have just happened (they're very good developments)

    I told him yesterday that I might consider private messaging you and collaborating with you to see if you were in Mafia. He said that we didn't really have anything to lose, so to go for it. So, just now I told him that you and I talked for a bit privately. I told him that I messaged you asking you to hear me out, that I wasn't Mafia, etc, and that I told you that Speed and I were voting for chief. Then I told him that you responded very kindly/supportively and said you would likely agree to vote for chief. And Speed 100% bought it, and now he is entirely convinced that it is chief and FAW in Mafia. So I kind of killed two birds with one stone - he thinks you're innocent, and he's very, very excited that you are "on our side" {:P}

    Long story short - yes, he knows you're planning on voting for chief and he's also convinced of your innocence! {O:-)}

    May 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Oh, and I told Speed not to mention anything about "our conversation" in the Day thread - so don't worry about that being spilled {:D}

    May 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Ok. It sounds like we have this in the bag.

    I have to admit I feel kinda dirty and guilty about fake-conspiring with Speed...

    But since everyone is so insistent about trying to trick each other on AIM and Skype and plan on passing Sensor results to another player in case the Sensor gets killed and other similar stuff, I don't know what to think anymore. The rules regarding that stuff are a bit vague and/or nonexistent.

    May 22, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    You're right. It does feel a bit dirty, but I mean... Read everything that Redack said to MM and Yeano. He literally told MM that he wouldn't kill him if he spilled the beans on the other Mafia members. He said the same thing to me about MM (he told me if I admitted to being Mafia, then he wouldn't hurt me if I told him who else was in it). As you said, we kind of have to do this in order to stay competitive. Plus, Roxas is seeing everything we say in here - surely he would have told me not to (or punished me) if me talking to Speed about the game privately was against the rules.

    Also, keep in mind that Speed absolutely didn't have to trust me. He could have stayed far back and just never conspired with me. I would say dirty playing is better depicted by people who are literally going against the rules or finding every loophole. Me talking with Speed about this game a lot isn't very dirty, at least I don't think so. I think it's just fun and a bit funny. In the end, it's just a lot of private messaging on our part, you know?

    I mean, keep in mind that this game is literally about trust and betrayal. In a fun, game sense, of course. {:P}

    I really hope you don't feel too bad, though. This game has been played behind-the-scenes from the beginning so it's kind of being forced to go until the end. I'm not trying to justify my actions regardless of whether or not they were "good", but we didn't break the rules which I'd say is the most important. Not to mention, MM and Yeano did a TON of their Mafia conspiring on other messengers (so we couldn't see) and you and I have literally only conspired in this thread - I find that pretty impressive, if anything {;)}

    May 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Well I guess I don't feel super bad... at the end of the day, it's just a game with Internet folk anyway.

    May 22, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    ... Lol @ Speed's reply.

    May 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    To be fair, Speed is basically the only person left who has provided lots of back-up to his points instead of chiefsonny blindly voting for me and Kyon saying "shut up Mafia" and voting for Speed. So I don't think it'll be suspicious if we agree with him, because like I said, Speed is the only one to have a strong argument (sort of a bit).

    When I vote a bit later, I'll add a little more "evidence", so that it's not founded on nothing. And then just maybe you'll happen to be convinced chief is Mafia too and vote for him if ya catch my drift. {:P}

    May 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Speed Bike Pro: √-1


    Speed deserves a point for that alone. That is just awesome.

    I do have to hand it to Speed. He may have it all wrong about you, which is pretty much the main reason why he's wrong about chief, but he has otherwise been a strong player this game. I was floored when he basically exposed our entire plan about assassinating Feral, hiding his body and that he was most likely the Sensor.

    And if I were innocent, he honestly would have had me convinced in the previous round. He has a very logical way of thinking and explaining things.

    May 22, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    You two are playing absolutely brilliantly on your own, I must say.

    There is no rule against OOG communication; if there was, MM9 would have been toast along with Feral. (hehe)

    May 22, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    I do have to hand it to Speed. He may have it all wrong about you, which is pretty much the main reason why he's wrong about chief, but he has otherwise been a strong player this game. I was floored when he basically exposed our entire plan about assassinating Feral, hiding his body and that he was most likely the Sensor.


    I actually completely forgot that he pretty much single-handedly made everyone believe Feral was the Sensor. I guess it would have been obvious by now, but he seemed to know from the beginning. The only mistake he's really made is trusting the wrong people... in other words, me, haha. Not to mention he still hasn't been lynched besides being literally the most guilty-looking person in the game. {:P}

    You two are playing absolutely brilliantly on your own, I must say.

    There is no rule against OOG communication; if there was, MM9 would have been toast along with Feral.


    Why thank you, Roxas (hehe)! A high compliment indeed. And hahahaha yeah, I didn't think about that @ MM and Feral. It's all for the better of winning, in that case!

    May 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Alright, Jo, here's my post. I'll make it in a bit. Let me know if you think I should change anything. {:P}

    ----------------

    After reading through the day threads, I have come to the conclusion that chiefsonny is almost certainly in the Mafia. This is my case (prepare yourself – it is lengthy).

    I'm just a vanilla townie. But I understand the want to take me out after what happened. But what will be will be.

    chiefsonny, Day 1


    That said, Chief's early Townie claim does raise some red flags. Sure, he claims vanilla Townie in almost every game he plays a Townie in, but never this early on. Usually that happens around the third or fourth day round, and then usually when he falls under suspicion. To claim this early on is almost completely unlike him.

    Black Yoshi, Day 1


    In fact I'm usually always against mass role claims and claiming to early.. I will explain why after the game.

    chiefsonny, Day 1


    Also, roleclaiming ANYTHING is a recipe for disaster as long as the Assassin is in town.

    white lancer, Day 1


    I'm also a little curious about chief's continued survival given that he claimed Townie on the first round--you'd think the Assassin would have taken him out by now.

    …it is still curious to me that he wouldn't be targeted by the Assassin after making that safe claim. Even if the Mafia thought he was lying, it would seem to make sense for them to use their regular nightkill on him.

    white lancer, Day 3


    I'm starting to see something wrong with the way Chief's playing -- usually when you claim Townie on Day 1, if you're not Mafia-fodder that night, you're lynched that day, and Chief has avoided that thus far.

    Black Yoshi, Day 3


    I don’t know how chief has played in the past, but I agree that role-claiming at all is risky and odd. Castrael role-claimed (sort of), and that didn’t get her very far. But she didn’t even role claim exactly WHAT kind of Townie she was. So I find it odd that she was lynched before chiefsonny to begin with. The Assassin (MM9) could have easily used chief as a target – he assassinated one person he guessed as a vanilla townie (Count Dooku) and attempted to assassinate another “vanilla townie” – white lancer, who actually turned out to be the Vigilante. With such an obvious role claim as a vanilla townie by chiefsonny, I find it very strange that MM9 wouldn’t just go ahead and assassinate chiefsonny in that case – unless he were Mafia, of course. This is also where white lancer has a very good point. Role-claiming is just an extremely bad idea until the Assassin is gone, because it makes you a VERY easy target. So, it doesn’t make much sense for chief to role-claim vanilla townie unless he was actually a part of the Mafia.

    If chief hasn't spilled the beans on his poorly explained situation yet, plz do so.

    Hindenburg, Day 2



    What I decided to do was if I got the one role that had no impact on the game other than a number (i.e. townie) I was going to role claim even though anyone that knows how I play, I'm usually against that.
    I wanted to do this so that if anyone was pissed enough to want to take me out (And I understand why they would) by role claiming it would let them know that they could be safe in doing so because none of our Town Power Roles would be affected.

    The reason I wanted to wait until the end of the game to make that post was because I didn't want anyone to think I was just trying to avoid a lynch.
    But it looked like it need to be cleared up before that.

    chiefsonny, Day 3


    I understand that chief was pretty unhappy after last game, and I know he thinks others were upset with him (though even if people were, I don’t see why they’d let it affect their decisions 17.2). But this just seems like such an odd and weak argument for whatever he’s arguing against. He acted like he had some big reason, or something big to hide, but that… doesn’t seem like a big deal at all. It also took him until Day 3 to even say this, so my belief is that this is something that was just “made-up” (dare I say that it is poppycock) to explain himself acting very out of character by role-claiming. I believe the actual reason he role-claimed is very simple – that reason being that he is actually in the Mafia.


    My current suspects for final two mafia would be:

    chiefsonny- he's been quiet as town sided power role in the past, but with no power roles left (us summing feral was the sensor) then why is he so quiet?...

    ...Also if I do happen to die, don't lynch Speed. I'm pretty confident he's innocent... Lynch Apollo, in my honour!

    Redack, Day 5


    Redack said this, and chiefsonny immediately votes for me the following day (Day 6). And other people (like Black Yoshi and Jo Nathan) do the same – they vote for me because of Redack’s infamous “gut feeling”. Also take a look at how emphatic Redack is about lynching me and not Speed. I assume that by this, he was indicating that Speed is not Mafia. Now direct your attention to the beginning of this day, Day 7. chiefsonny makes it clear that he is sure that Speed and I are the two remaining Mafia members. In other words, chiefsonny is selectively choosing what to use of the things Redack said to work in his favor. It seems like he doesn’t actually believe what Redack said, because if he did, he would have never made a mention of Speed possibly being Mafia (not to mention how sure chiefsonny was when he said that Speed and I were Mafia). In other, shorter words, chiefsonny created a bit of a contradiction in his accusations by accusing me AND Speed (citing Redack as the reason why he went after me), even though Redack specifically said not to lynch Speed. There wouldn’t be a very sensible reason for him to do this unless he was a part of the Mafia, which I believe he is.

    Oh, and to all of the people who tend to trust Redack in what he says, he also accused chiefsonny as being in the Mafia, which I quoted above.

    I know this was incredibly lengthy, but I wanted to have actual support for my argument and I hope people will actually read this and listen to me. I’m sick of having a target on my back that everyone is hitting at without providing any sort of support or facts or anything; as I’ve said, the only reason the Mafia hasn’t killed me is because they knew everyone would continue attacking me. So I’m going to take a stand and make my vote and hope others will follow so that we can get to the end of this game and fight for our win. With that being said… I am very confident in my vote for chiefsonny.

    May 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Change (Count Dooku) to (Count Dooku or Hindenburg).

    Add presumably in front of "attempted to assassinate another 'vanilla Townie'".

    Add that chiefsonny's argument for why he role-claimed is very "poorly explained".

    Okay I think those are the only edits so far. {:P}

    May 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I read through that, and it sounds pretty solid. I have to say you did a great job of rounding everything up. I even forgot all about the suspicions lancer and Black Yoshi brought up earlier in the game! Although I guess that might be a product of my vacation.

    May 22, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Okay, thanks! I'm goin' for it! {:P}

    May 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    It has been posted, my good sir...~ Oh my gosh I hope this WORKS!

    May 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Chiefsonny just voted for himself. Haha, alright then.. I definitely would still vote for him, Jo. If we get 4 votes, it's literally in the bag. He'll probably change his vote at last minute anyways.

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I didn't read the main thread recently, but....

    Chief, man... oof. If you're positive Speed and Apollo are the remaining Mafia and they're the only ones voting for you, why give up? Why not vote for Speed and hope that others will follow suit?

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Haha, I know, right? I think he just gave up. But that's fine with me!! We're so so so close now!!!

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Ok I just read it. Chief just wants the game done and over with, I think.

    I intend to add my vote tomorrow morning, just in case some funny stuff happens between now and then.

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Alright, sounds good. Oh my gosh, look how close we are!!! {:P}

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Uh oh. Gosh, I told Speed not to mess with chief.

    I don't know if you want to vote for him now instead or what, but it's up to you of course.

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Chief is mistaken... if you and I both voted for Speed right now we'd still need one more vote or else we'd be waiting until tomorrow.

    I suggest you keep your vote on chief for now. I am really not sure what to do myself. If either of us vote for Speed right now, he may out our whole collaboration which could jeopardize everything.

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    We may need to restrategize and both vote for Speed, in the case of a last minute vote to save Chief. But I don't know yet.

    But I am not going to do anything yet, I'll wait for your thoughts. I'll get on early tomorrow if I don't hear from you again tonight.

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Yeah, you're right. Okay, I guess I'll stick with chief for now. Sorry btw I didn't see you replied {:P}

    He shouldn't have acted so cocky about it. Speed, I mean.

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Now chief is going back to me. I don't understand why Speed felt the need to provoke him so much.

    What do you think? I'm not sure how we should both vote, Speed or chief. Such a hard life..~

    And I spent so much time on my chiefsonny post... (fedup)

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I'm positive Speed will continue to vote for chief no matter what, so our best option might be to carry on with the plan to lynch chief. The biggest risk right now is that Kyon, chief and FAW all vote for Speed to tie the vote.

    Things are getting a bit scary now.

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    I would suggest we assess the situation tomorrow morning, although I admit it'll be a super cheap shot to wait until he's at work... {:?}

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    If Kyon changes his vote to you, we are so done. {fp}

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Alright, sticking to our plan sounds good for now. Hopefully FAW won't come on and vote. If she does, then we'll just have to switch to Speed at last minute.

    A tied vote is the worst case scenario, but I'll take it if we have to. But I'd much rather get around it if we can. So our backup plan of voting for Speed seems to be something that should continue being considered. But yes, assessing the situation tomorrow morning would probably be the best.

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    It doesn't matter if Kyon does anyways. The worst that will happen is a tie, which really isn't that bad. I wouldn't worry about it.

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Speed says he'll vote for himself if I vote for him... Which I don't know why, I guess he doesn't realize that it'll end the game if 5 people vote for him. {:P}

    Would you be willing to do that now? If you're available right now, that is.

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Actually, never mind. That's pretty dirty playing I'd say. Forget I said that. {:P}

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    You two are sure making things fun and enjoyable for me here at the end. (look)

    May 23, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    Glad to be of service. It's the least I can do since you seem to be the person I get killed more often than anyone else. {:P}

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Okay, okay, I have a bit of a more clear mind. Yes, yes indeed.

    Okay, we didn't expect chief to vote for himself anyways - that was just kind of a weird coincidence that would have simply helped us. What's happening now is what was expected to happen anyways (or even better since chief changed his vote to Speed). So this is what I'm thinking will happen:

    Hopefully, FAW won't log on. Of course it's possible, but hopefully not. If that's the case, the round will probably end 2 votes Speed, 3 votes chief (assuming you vote chief). I don't see Kyon changing his vote, especially since Speed has 2 votes now.

    You not voting until the morning is a good strategy because it will throw people off and they won't be able to plan accordingly. Especially because most users probably won't be active around that time. So they won't know if you'll vote Speed or chief (while I guess it wouldn't matter either way, but I'd like to see Speed alive to the end to give him credit for all he's done hahaha).

    Either way, Jo, you and I will be active in the morning to vote accordingly. But I think our plan to lynch chief will still work.

    And hahaha, Roxas, that just makes me want to host so badly! Grrr! But.. Alas, I need points to do so... AKA Mafia must win (evil)

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Ok, so I'm going to probably cast my vote pretty soon and I'll be F5-ing that page like there's no tomorrow when we're down to the last couple minutes.

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Haha! Okay, sounds perfect. I'll be refreshing the page like crazy, too.

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I have a reply and my vote all ready to go... but I'm going to hold off for another half-hour I think.

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Goodness, such suspense...

    You know what it feels like, Jo? It feels like a perfect morning to win a game of Mafia. {8D}

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Let's hope so. I've been Mafia... hmmm, 4 times? And an alien once, which is almost like being Mafia. This would be my first non-town victory if we succeed.

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Really?? (duck) Mafia 4 times and no wins? But... either way, we shall be breaking that chain of Mafia losses. It'll be a first Mafia victory for both of us. I hope. {:D}

    Does the town tend to usually win?

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Yes, but the last two Mafia victories I can remember were due to my mess-ups... {fp}

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Well, I guess the blame was shared but I'm still embarrassed. {:P}

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    You mean, you were Town-sided and messed up?

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Yeah

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Haha, well I doubt it was your fault! Being a Townie is hard. You don't get to know anything... except for hunches, which tend to usually fool you.

    I mean, think of how awesomely we've pulled through this game. The Vigilante killed two of our members, one of our members was the first person chosen to be lynched (mostly just because they wanted a lynch target for sensor results), and our Assassin was exposed. And look at us. We're both still here. I'd say we've done pretty well. And I'd say this game should redeem any bad feelings you have about messing up in other games (which I'm sure you didn't anyways!) {:P}

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Actually.... My first game ever, I was a townie and we lost to the Mafia. I lost my mind at the very end, got myself lynched, and it was game over. I was extremely hard on myself because I felt like I let my team down, and I admit I probably do that way too much (maybe it's an Italian thing, I dunno)... BUT if you hear people joke about Xhin doing witch hunts, it was because in that same game he took the lead in lynching several innocent people, and he got lynched for it and turned out to be innocent as well.

    So yeah. That blame is totally shared. {:P} Not to mention Yeano did one hell of a job being a non-suspicious Mafia in that game.

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Haha, I haven't heard that about Xhin! But that's too funny. I can't imagine you losing your mind in this game, you seem so composed all of the time. I'm sure it was a sight to see, haha.

    Oh my gosh... 17 more minutes.... And then our fate will be revealed... SO SUSPENSEFUL

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Heh, I've gotten a bit more calm after playing more games and realizing how forgiving the players are to their teammates.

    We're so close.......

    And I didn't even get to use my super-genius-ultimate plan that I had mentioned earlier in the game! I'll save that for another time... (evil)

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Tick tock.........

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    I know... 3 minutes.. OH MY GOSH BETTER START REFRESHING

    I forgot that you mentioned having an awesome plan! Darn! Hopefully we both shall rejoice as Mafia members once again and your plan shall come to fruition. {:P}

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    9:29. It's over.

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    OH MY GOODNESS

    WE

    WE WON

    WE WON, JO NATHAN

    WE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Also, just as a reminder in the middle of the massive celebration, I know Roxas said my vote doesn't count but I wanted to say that I don't think we should kill Speed tonight because he deserves to live to the end, hahahaha

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I only have one person in mind for our night kill, and that's Kyon.

    Despite making one crucial error that resulted in poor judgement of chief, Speed played an incredibly awesome game.

    FAW was 100% spot-on. The town would have murdered us if they gave her suggestion more thought.

    That's why I don't want to kill either of those players.

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Sounds absolutely perfect.

    WE WON OH MY GOOOOOOSHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DESPITE ALL THE ODDS AGAINST US WE PULLED THROUGH

    I can't even believe it. Oh my goodness. This is so awesome. My first game of Mafia AS Mafia and we win.

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    The lesson I learned my first game: "Always vote for Yeano"

    The lesson I think we all can learn from this game: "Always listen to Redack, even if he lives past the first two rounds"

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    And just to reiterate, I vote for Kyon.

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Haha. Very good lessons to take away. Unless Redack is Mafia, of course...

    Alright.. time to put in our official night kill.. Our last one~

    Dearest Kyon... I'm so sorry...

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Apollo, I'm glad your first time being Mafia was a success for you. You won and survived! (duck)

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    So, is Kyon your official vote to kill?

    May 23, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    That answers my question. Time for the grande finale!

    May 23, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    Awwwh, thanks Jo {:D} I know I'm shocked/happy! This is so awesome! And it's also your first time winning as Mafia AND you're alive!! A beautiful first victory for both of us. And we avenged our fallen loved ones~ {O:-)}

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Grand finale, you say..? Well goodness I'm gonna need to get my morning coffee!

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Poor hez..... he didn't get to participate at all this game. I think he only said "hi" and that's it. {troll}

    May 23, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Heh heh.. Yeah... about that... (duck)

    May 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

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