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day 2 hey scarface

Posted April 24, 2013 by Trever Leingod

The day of blinding LLight the glitch specialist, also known as the semi-admin and unofficial global moderator, came to an end with the town deciding not to lynch anyone – that was a total surprise, HAHA.

All the townies went into their homes, bolted their doors, went to watch TV, play video games, and other night hobbies. The Commissioner picked up his badge from his drawer and was about to have his nightly rounds, hoping to find a Mafia in the darkness slip up with their identity. The Governor folded his papers and tucked them into his file cabinet, his duties were done for the day. The Dragon stretched his muscles and sharpened his Chinese stars and decided if he should take a gamble and take someone out in the night in hopes they were Mafia.

The Mafia gang sneaked over to the Godfather’s house for their nightly dose of evil doings. What new skills would the Godsons try tonight?

The two Elder Wizards in the nearby mountains looked into their crystal balls to check on the townies they were about to send some helpful items this night.

1. chiefsonny
2. Count Dooku
3. hezekiah
4. Kyon
5. Vandy
6. Pirate_Ninja
7. Feral
8. Black Yoshi
9. Helius
10. white lancer
11. Jo Nathan
12. The Bandit
13. MajorasMask9
14. Female Alpha Wolf
15. Castrael
16. Apollo J-Money
17. Speed Bike Pro
18. Hindenburg

Ratio:

14 – 4

Townie (x11), The Governor, The Commissioner, The Dragon, Godfather, Mafioso, Godson (x2)

Get your night actions in everybody!

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As the Midnight Sun rose up and over the town, things seemed to be like the morning before; the sun is shining, the tank is clean... The tank is clean!

Okay, almost a normal morning. Count Dooku came to the meeting with a scar on his left cheek. One can only come to their own conclusions whether this was a fair accident or foul play by the Mafia.

And a note from the Governor has appeared pinned to the board in the Town Square:

Don't hesitate to murder the Mafia. Follow your gut instincts, my fellow Townies. Some can be tricksters. Make the best vote count.


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1. chiefsonny
2. Count Dooku
3. hezekiah
4. Kyon
5. Vandy
6. Pirate_Ninja
7. Feral
8. Black Yoshi
9. Helius
10. white lancer
11. Jo Nathan
12. The Bandit
13. MajorasMask9
14. Female Alpha Wolf
15. Castrael
16. Apollo J-Money
17. Speed Bike Pro
18. Hindenburg

Ratio:

14 – 4

Townie (x11), The Governor, The Commissioner, The Dragon, Godfather, Mafioso, Godson (x2)

72 hours or 12 votes for the same option!

April 25, 2013
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`Roxas`

Yes, I can talk again!

Based on what I saw last round, I have my suspicions, but I'll wait and see what this round holds.

April 25, 2013
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Black Yoshi

That seals the deal for me. Damn glad I used my medkit last night.

My days are numbered, but I'd like to at least take one of them out with me.

April 25, 2013
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Count Dooku

And here's why:

Yesterday, Helius said this:

Fair enough. Though this puts you on my radar. I'm all for getting information, but I really am hesitant with that sort of exposure. If someone were to ignore the one or two, then it certainly puts the town at risk... especially towards the later rounds when numbers can be critical.

There's two things going on here.

One is a terrible strategy for the town: Don't reveal the results of your power pack, even if they're useful results to the town, until later in the game. This BLATANTLY helps the Mafia - they have a chance to kill off anyone who has information as the game progresses (or wait for a townie with the appropriate power pack to do it for them). All done under the guise of 'protecting the commissioner'.

Two is an attempt to cast suspicion on me among the town. Something that a few of you noticed. And once it was noticed, Helius immediately backed down from suspecting me.

So with this in mind, I undertook a little gambit. I contacted Helius on Skype and said he was mafia, and generally tried to give the impression I was coming after him because he wasn't playing as well as I'd expect him to.

At the same time, I used my medical kit during the night round to protect myself. And it's a good thing I did - because the Mafia attempted to kill me.

Unless some power pack user has legitimate information, I think Helius is our best option. I know we don't have any 'hard' evidence against him, like a guilty verdict, but based on everything from him so far I'm certain he's Mafia.

April 25, 2013
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Count Dooku

Since you're wanting to kill me on no evidence at all, let me respond.

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There's two things going on here.

One is a terrible strategy for the town: Don't reveal the results of your power pack, even if they're useful results to the town, until later in the game. This BLATANTLY helps the Mafia - they have a chance to kill off anyone who has information as the game progresses (or wait for a townie with the appropriate power pack to do it for them). All done under the guise of 'protecting the commissioner'.


I never said don't reveal the power pack. I said I was concerned about the strategy because it does put the Commissioner and Dragon (I'm assuming that is a playable role that doesn't get power pack) at risk. I did state that I was all about getting information, and I did explain why I was concerned. Numbers do mean a lot in the end game. Do you deny this?

The one or two that I was talking about was results. What if we had a scenario where one person for who knows what reason reveals four people instead of gradually: one or two at a time. This narrows down the list of those power roles considerably. While this helps us, the Mafia might be better players than some of us because we don't know who the Mafia is at this time.

Two is an attempt to cast suspicion on me among the town. Something that a few of you noticed. And once it was noticed, Helius immediately backed down from suspecting me.


You brought this on yourself because of the above. I am also known for backing down. I did so with Speed in the Aliens game even though I thought he was an Alien, and clearly he wasn't. I don't know what you are Dooku, and I'm hesitant to point fingers at you because what I'll say will be used against me... apparently. Instead of lynching me blindly... maybe you should have someone check me out. (ashamed)

So with this in mind, I undertook a little gambit. I contacted Helius on Skype and said he was mafia, and generally tried to give the impression I was coming after him because he wasn't playing as well as I'd expect him to.


Again... not the entire story. I told him that I was innocent. Last game when I checked the people who were Aliens... little did I know they were Mafia members. I knew who the Mafia was, and so I'm hoping that my instincts are right this time as I play from a very instinct driven and therapy outlook. But I suppose I get lynched for that. :/

At the same time, I used my medical kit during the night round to protect myself. And it's a good thing I did - because the Mafia attempted to kill me.


There are soooo many things wrong with this statement. I mean if I am innocent and the Mafia knows this, they could attempt to lynch Dooku in casting suspicion on me. I mean there are better players to target; however, they chose Dooku.

This leads me to my next point, if I were Mafia... why would I target someone who has it out for me? That just seems silly and its a bad play. I am a much better Mafia player when I'm Mafia, but sadly, that is not today. I am just a regular ol' townie consistent with my play as a townie. You may lynch me if you want, but I'll do you no favor in lynching an innocent. I'd vote for myself but that has ended badly for me in previous games.

Unless some power pack user has legitimate information, I think Helius is our best option. I know we don't have any 'hard' evidence against him, like a guilty verdict, but based on everything from him so far I'm certain he's Mafia.


And we lynch on nothing. Might I remind you all that it is Day Two. There isn't a whole lot against me other than my disagreeing with a particular strategy. It's an opinion. We all have an opinion. Was mine wrong? Maybe. But I am trying to play a different way, and it sucks that I might get lynched for it.

April 25, 2013
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Helius

Sidebar: I will be at school for most of the day so if I don't respond right away... that's where I'll be.

April 25, 2013
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Helius

I don't know what you are Dooku, and I'm hesitant to point fingers at you because what I'll say will be used against me... apparently

If I were Mafia, it would be incredibly biased of the hosts to pretend I survived a Mafia attack. Given that I survived an attempt on my life, you can safely say I'm town sided.

I told him that I was innocent.

Well to be fair, what else could you tell me? "Oh you got me Dookster, I'm the Mafia."

This leads me to my next point, if I were Mafia... why would I target someone who has it out for me? That just seems silly and its a bad play.

You would do it so you could say the line above it:

I mean if I am innocent and the Mafia knows this, they could attempt to lynch Dooku in casting suspicion on me.

You're the best option Helius, until someone pops up with power pack info.

Like I said, I'm probably dead tonight or tomorrow night. Eventually the town will get around to killing you, and you'll turn up as Mafia.

I'm just asking them to follow the best lead we have right now so I can do something useful for us before I die.

April 25, 2013
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Count Dooku

Well to be fair, what else could you tell me? "Oh you got me Dookster, I'm the Mafia."

I did tell you that I might. You never know with me. :/

If I were Mafia, it would be incredibly biased of the hosts to pretend I survived a Mafia attack. Given that I survived an attempt on my life, you can safely say I'm town sided.

This doesn't disprove the theory that they are intentionally messing with us though. We both could be innocent as far as I'm concerned.

You would do it so you could say the line above it:

Not my style.

You're the best option Helius, until someone pops up with power pack info.

Like I said, I'm probably dead tonight or tomorrow night. Eventually the town will get around to killing you, and you'll turn up as Mafia.

I'm just asking them to follow the best lead we have right now so I can do something useful for us before I die.

I might be the best option for you, but there are people who have not spoken. As we know from previous games, Mafia hide in the shadows unless provoked. I have been very upfront.

Though I don't know why you keep hammering the fact that I'm Mafia. I think I have sufficiently proven that I'm not.

April 25, 2013
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Helius

This is exciting for Day 2. I'll post my thoughts when I get back from school.

April 25, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Dooku is 100% town sided. However, I now believe Helius is as well. The Mafia didn't expect Dooku to survive, and I believe they planned to use his death to cast suspicion on Helius, whom he already built a rivalry with.

Still highly suspicious of you, Majora. You enjoy seeing two townies go at it, don't you?

April 25, 2013
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Feral

Though I don't know why you keep hammering the fact that I'm Mafia. I think I have sufficiently proven that I'm not.

You've proved nothing O.o

But you're likely safe. The town won't lynch you.

Then the mafia will get rid of me during the night round (despite the fact that, if you're innocent, it makes more sense to keep me alive to distract the town with you).

But you can't leave me alive, either. Because the second I get a power pack that allows it I'll kill you.

So we'll see. It'll be an interesting night round, to say the least.

April 25, 2013
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Count Dooku

*fart noise*

April 25, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Feral I hope you know I was joking about SBP last round. The vote was a joke because we already had a significant amount of "no-kill" votes where mine wouldn't make a difference, and I was hoping it was obvious I was joking, especially since there is no Silencer this game.

And this is exciting for Day 2. Usually we don't get much to go on this early, but I feel like I actually have something to read through already.

I could say I'm suspicious of you for assuming Helius is innocent immediately after he posted. It seems almost too convenient if Helius is mafia. Helius defends himself against Dooku, and you're the first person to reply afterward and say "wow, I think you're totally innocent now, Helius." I haven't had the chance to even read through the posts since I just got back from school (as I stated I was leaving earlier), so I'm not going to go jumping to any conclusions yet.

April 25, 2013
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MajorasMask9

I've seen enough...

April 25, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

I'm voting for Feral because I never liked him and thought he should have moved away years ago.

April 25, 2013
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Kyon

I always had a feeling you didn't like me.(cry)

I won't take it personally, though. With me, you either love me or hate me. There is no inbetween.

I'll unvote for now, Majora, but I'm keeping an eye on you. I know full well how manipulative you can be. I still haven't fully forgiven myself for allowing you to trick me into murdering Lancer a few games back.

April 25, 2013
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Feral

I agree with Feral about the Dooku/Helius spat. May be wrong, but he's not high on my list right now.

April 25, 2013
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hezekiah

I've read through Dooku and Helius's posts and I'm also not ready to vote for either of them. I don't feel that there's enough evidence pointing toward Helius being guilty yet, and I don't find Dooku suspicious at all right now. I think the evidence brought up against Helius is pretty circumstantial, because anyone could have targeted Dooku despite the private conversation they had. Dooku and Helius both "stood out" in the last round, and because of that I wouldn't consider the mafia targeting Dooku out of the ordinary. Dooku is a good player and got into a minor argument with Helius; I'd say that's more than enough reason for the mafia to want to target him, regardless of Helius's alignment.

I'll unvote for now, Majora, but I'm keeping an eye on you. I know full well how manipulative you can be. I still haven't fully forgiven myself for allowing you to trick me into murdering Lancer a few games back.


Fair enough.

April 25, 2013
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MajorasMask9

You've proved nothing O.o

I've proven that you really have no evidence other than a possibly poor decision on my part.

But you can't leave me alive, either. Because the second I get a power pack that allows it I'll kill you.

Again... ugh. You're assuming that I'm guilty despite being innocent. Doesn't the burden of proof fall on the accusing party?

April 25, 2013
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Helius

and I don't find Dooku suspicious at all right now


EDIT: I guess I should probably say "Dooku is confirmed innocent" instead, considering he used his medkit on himself.

April 25, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Whelp, there went one of my suspicions out the door.

I'm still curious about FAW, though; Majora may have been joking when he "suspected" Speed of being the nonexistant Silencer (though it should be kept in mind that not only are there Town-sided power packs that can silence players, but there is the Trickster...), but FAW seemed utterly serious in her judgment of Majora. Last game she was right on the money in a lot of her judgments, but this one seemed too quick and too soon. It's as if she was trying too hard to cover her tracks...

Holding my vote for now since we have more than two IRL days left in this round and anything can happen...

...which reminds me, Trever and Roxas, are you guys using Dooku's method of ending rounds this game, or are you sticking with the old standard?

April 26, 2013
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Black Yoshi

...which reminds me, Trever and Roxas, are you guys using Dooku's method of ending rounds this game, or are you sticking with the old standard?

We ended the last round after the votes needed were in, but I think that was also after a 24 hour period (or around one, at the least). We both hosted under the standard of when the voting threshold was reached, that's that, no questions asked.


  • I've come to realize that the night action order has yet to be stated (oops!), so here it is:

    1. Commissioner (Cop) Check
    2. Mafia Kill
    3. Dragon Kill
    4. Power Packs/Skill Sets

    • April 26, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    If FAW is right about Majora though, anything can happen. I think the lot of us are pointing fingers to keep people away. When Lancer hosted the game and Majora turned out to be Mafia, he didn't suspect any one or make any suggestions on who's who (to help the town).

    In a different game, however, he would not talk much. He could have voted for Dooku; a townie and Helius, unsure (I'm betting Townie as well) but didn't. I'm not too worried about Majora atm. If I were Mafia, and he wasn't, I would immediately attack him or silence him. If he does turn out to be mafia, I'll be damned.

    I'm curious about FAW too, like Yoshi is, but I'm with holding my vote. It's only the first day of round 2. Anything could happen.

    As for Dooku and Helius, nothing but confusion against one another. They were just defending themselves and hoping they see they see eye to eye. I have my eye on Helius though, just in case.

    That's all I have to say for now. I'll be busy this week, more hours at my job but I'm off tomorrow.

    April 26, 2013
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    Castrael

    During the day, one of the townies found a curious note on the door outside the morgue that read:

    "Seems I was gifted too late to save our prankster buddy, Redack, from the Mafia. But the residents of our lovely town shall rest easy now that there is a death defeating higher power watching over them. But only the townie who shows their worth shall be spared. Even the great Godfather himself is helpless against my power."

    Signed - A Higher Power

    April 26, 2013
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    Trever Leingod

    I just noticed this too.

    Instead of lynching me blindly... maybe you should have someone check me out.

    Heh. Look at that guys. The person claiming to be concerned about the 'endgame' offers to be investigated.

    What happens if he's guilty? The commissioner is revealed while revealing him and dies to the mafia, leaving the others safe. If he's the godfather, getting investigated both clears his name and reveals the commissioner for elimination.

    You're being fairly inconsistent here, Helius. Are you concerned about the endgame and the commissioner or not?

    April 26, 2013
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    Count Dooku

    I'm concerned about being able to get good playing points, helping my team out (Townies), and not being lynched on Day 2. It doesn't have to be the Commissioner that checks me out. Geeze Louise! Dooku... let it go.

    If he's the godfather, getting investigated both clears his name and reveals the commissioner for elimination.

    There's a distinct possibility that I am the godfather but I haven't really done anything to suggest otherwise. You'll notice that I haven't voted for you once despite you throwing my name in the mud. :/

    April 26, 2013
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    Helius

    By my count we've got like 10 or 11 hours remaining in the round... depending on how Trever and Roxas do it.

    That would be the 72 hour mark, but they didn't say anything about it in the OP.

    April 26, 2013
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    Count Dooku

    There are still 38 hours remaining (~Midnight ET Saturday Night/Sunday Morning); see first reply.

    April 26, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    Getting investigated both clears his [the Godfather's] name and reveals the Commissioner for elimination.


    Seems to me you're pushing for a mass roll reveal, and yet we're only two rounds into the game. Not to mention the fact that the Commissioner isn't revealed until s/he reveals him/herself to the town -- s/he certainly isn't revealed right after investigating.

    April 26, 2013
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    Black Yoshi

    There are still 38 hours remaining (~Midnight ET Saturday Night/Sunday Morning); see first reply.

    Sorry, I was looking at the OP.

    Seems to me you're pushing for a mass roll reveal, and yet we're only two rounds into the game. Not to mention the fact that the Commissioner isn't revealed until s/he reveals him/herself to the town -- s/he certainly isn't revealed right after investigating.

    I do not, and have no, advocated a 'mass roll reveal'.

    That comment was directed at Helius. He said he'd be happy to be investigated. The issue is, if he comes up as guilty, the commissioner either reveals (bad move, as the mafia then kill him) or has to sit on the info.

    If he sits on the info, Helius gets a pass until much later in the game.

    I'm quite aware that the commissioner isn't revealed until they wish to be - I was just pointing out that offering to be investigated is a meaningless gesture.

    April 26, 2013
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    Count Dooku

    And once again, it comes down to a simple question:

    Who do we have reason to suspect the most?

    The answer is Helius. No one has stepped forward with any power-pack related revelations so far.

    He tried to cast doubt on a good strategy for figuring out the mafia.

    He tried to make me look suspicious for proposing a strategy against the mafia.

    I nearly died during the night round after telling him, in no uncertain terms, that I was coming for him over skype.

    And then he contradicts his earlier statements about trying to protect the commissioner by suggesting they investigate him. The results of said investigation would be revealed only by the commissioner exposing him/herself to the town - a good way to take part of the town with you if you're mafia.

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    So that's it. We don't have anything else to go on. In this game, indecision always costs the town dearly. Running around in circles pointing fingers at each other just helps them.

    We have a lead. Let's use it. Because when Helius and his Mafia pals get around to killing me for good tonight, I'm not going to be here to push you guys to do what you should have done in the first place - lynch the Mafia bastard.

    April 26, 2013
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    Count Dooku

    I've had to switch strategies because you're accusing me of being Mafia. There are only two sure ways... one, lynch. Two, investigation.

    :/

    April 26, 2013
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    Helius

    With Dooks, I know him pretty well. I know Helius pretty well too, but Dooku's always right when it comes to these sort of things. When I'd ask for advice, he's usually right about a lot of things and when you have a strong instinct towards someone you best hope you're gut never lies.

    When Helius asked Dooku to drop it, I've had my eye on him since then. Helius may have made a mistake and decided to back down when Dooku decided to attack him again. My concern; Helius could very well be a Townie, but with a Power Role. I'm all for checking him out.

    My vote goes to Helius, but as of right now, I'm just still not sure. I'm leaning more towards FAW.

    April 26, 2013
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    Castrael

    LOL. Guys. I knew Majora was joking. So I joked back.

    I thought it was pretty obvious to everyone being the first day and all....

    Also sorry for not posting. It's been finals week and I has to present my film and practice for my tai chi exam {:P}

    I have no suspicions for now but I may next day round...

    April 26, 2013
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    Female Alpha Wolf

    you guys are ridiculous if you're actually suspicious of faw and majora after their comments on day 1

    April 26, 2013
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    Vandy

    I know Majora's not suspicious, but I wasn't sure about FAW. That's why I didn't cast my vote. I was waiting for you guys to explain your side of the story. xD

    I'm suspecting no one at the moment. I just happen to be free today cuz no work, but I'll be busy tomorrow and Sunday.

    April 26, 2013
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    Castrael

    wiener balls

    April 26, 2013
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    Hindenburg
    Life's path is never straight.

    There goes part of my other suspicion...I'm still slightly suspicious, but we'll have to see what happens in the next day or so, both IRL and in-game.

    April 26, 2013
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    Black Yoshi

    I think Hinden is onto something.

    April 26, 2013
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    Female Alpha Wolf

    Hi y'all. I'm here. Please don't kill me for inactivity. I've been mad busy with finals. I've read both day threads and will (hopefully) be more active from now on. However, unless something really obvious comes up, I won't be voting until the next round comes up so I can get my bearings. Rereading just isn't quite the same as actively participating.

    April 26, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Did anybody else notice that letter Trever posted above? What the hell is a "higher power"? Sounds like something Red would come up with, but he died before the game began...

    As far as Dooku and Helius go, I'm never good at desiphering arguements like that, but I am still watching both closely.

    April 26, 2013
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    Feral

    I'm very interested in the no kill votes instead of not voting. Especially with regard to Bandit and Feral. Fellow Mafia protecting Helius?

    Best to take a look at them once Helius is eliminated. No Kill is not the same as Not Voting.

    ---

    As it stands, we have three no kill votes. So apparently we're giving the Mafia a second attempt on my life without any effort on the town's side to eliminate a probable Mafia member.

    April 26, 2013
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    Count Dooku

    What's the difference?

    April 26, 2013
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    The Bandit

    It doesn't look like we're going to get a majority of the players to vote for an option.

    So right now we've got:

    3 No Kill
    2 Helius
    1 Feral

    And everyone else is not voting by default.

    If 72 hours expires, the option with the most votes is carried out.

    So by voting No Kill, you're ensuring Helius lives another day by making it the 'majority' option.

    But... surely you knew that {roll} Curious

    April 26, 2013
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    Count Dooku

    I did not know that. I don't think I've ever voted no kill in my life. MY BAD OK

    April 26, 2013
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    The Bandit

    I did not know that. I don't think I've ever voted no kill in my life. MY BAD OK

    I think you missed the option for Helius when you were changing your vote.

    But its cool, people have confused those in the past. (y)

    April 26, 2013
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    Count Dooku

    Dearest Dooks, I support your reason. After much thought, the only person that knows to try and kill Dooku would be Helius. Helius can manipulate others well in to thinking that he's a good guy. To try and kill someone like that first and then silence Yoshi (Nathan, I'm thinking), is smart. Buuut, I'm unsure. I would hate for my poor judgement to be out ruled by my vote. I'm getting mixed signals here.

    April 27, 2013
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    Castrael

    I'm actually going to change my vote to Helius. Just based off recent posts more or less. The more Dooku and Helius talk the more I tend to think Helius is likely mafia.

    April 27, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    I'm inclined to believe Helius is the best lead we've got right now and I sure don't want to do another No-Kill.

    April 27, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    But Majora, I've got my eye on you. The coin flip curse has proven quite consistent...... (shifty)

    April 27, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    At this point I don't see a reason to lynch Dooku or Helius. In fact all I see is two guys pointing fingers at each other with no real evidence.

    What bothers me is when someone makes a statement like this;

    But you can't leave me alive, either. Because the second I get a power pack that allows it I'll kill you.


    it makes me think this is a personal thing between these two guys that is not game related, and I'm not going to base a vote to lynch on just that.

    April 27, 2013
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    chiefsonny
     

    this is...a lot to process :U

    I'm gonna turn off the lights and count to ten, and if the mafia could just peacefully mosey on over to the next town that would be just great. I hear anything goes over there; I'm sure you'll love it.

    April 27, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    But Majora, I've got my eye on you. The coin flip curse has proven quite consistent......


    The curse was broken recently. Now it's always right. Honest! Watch:

    Is Helius mafia? (Heads Y / Tails N)

    April 27, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    fuck

    April 27, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    The curse was broken recently.


    I must have missed that....

    Oh well. I feel we should still lynch Helius. Regardless of whether he turns out to be innocent or guilty, it'll give us insight on those who did or didn't vote for him.

    April 27, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    I'm fully with Chief on this one. This thing between Dooku and Helius is way to personal. I have seen no conclusive evidence that Helius is Mafia. Not saying he isn't, just that I'm not convinced he is.

    Dooku, why would I have had a suspicion about him on day 1 if we were both Mafia?

    April 27, 2013
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    Feral

    How many people didn't bother to vote?

    April 27, 2013
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    chiefsonny
     

    Just for the record...

    it makes me think this is a personal thing between these two guys that is not game related, and I'm not going to base a vote to lynch on just that.

    Me and Helius are totally cool, we talk on skype all the time, and he's a fellow RPer on Jedi Sith.

    This is just a game - I legitimately think he's guilty, and I'm going after him as such. It's not personal.

    April 27, 2013
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    Count Dooku

    Although Helius is free to advise you otherwise if it'll save his skin {:P}

    Dooku, why would I have had a suspicion about him on day 1 if we were both Mafia?

    Fair point, I was just somewhat taken aback by how easily you were convinced he was innocent (and continue to think so) at the start of today's round.

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    Count Dooku

    It's not personal.


    That's good enough for me. I was concerned because it sounded personal.

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    chiefsonny
     

    Hey, guys, sorry I haven't been around--I've been prepping for a job interview the past couple of days ([/unemployment]) and the only time I managed to get on, you guys had ended the round already. -.-"

    I want to go through everything I missed tonight; please don't end the round before then!

    April 27, 2013
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    white lancer

    That's good enough for me. I was concerned because it sounded personal.

    You'd be forgiven for thinking so.

    There was that game a while back where Xhin was the Prosecutor and I was his target. We were really going at it and I said something that got taken personally.

    Single handedly managed to get the site shut down for a few hours {O:-)}

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    Count Dooku

    Dooku has really put me in a pickle.

    If I try to defend myself, I'm Mafia.

    If I don't defend myself, I'm speaking lies, and I'm Mafia.

    If I vote for myself, we lose a townie, and I die.

    ---------------

    Helius can manipulate others well in to thinking that he's a good guy.

    You're right, Cas. I am pretty good at manipulation and deceit; however, I am not trying either in this case. I am being incredibly upfront with everything I'm doing.

    I've expressed an opinion... I'm instantly Mafia. Stuff like this really doesn't make me want to play the game, and quite frankly... if I survive the day or night, you'll be seeing a lot less of me.

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    Helius

    Just came back my friends apt playing a terrible game of Charades. Oh wells.

    Helius is right though. You cant make excuses and you cant really defend yourself. Feral, however, (at least i think it was Feral who said this) did say it could just be a Townie vs a Townie pointing fingers at each other for no apparent reason. I dont think ive ever played a game with Helius before. Someone's definitely hiding when they attacked Dooku during the night though. Theyre either being too quiet or casting suspicious on someone else; making them look quilty. That's what i think.

    Congrats Lancer! Hope you get it.

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    Castrael

    um

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    MajorasMask9

    Bye!

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    Hindenburg
    Life's path is never straight.

    the original accusations against helius were pretty weak. but I do think his choice of defense is kind of sketchy

    I can't vote 'cause I'm going to the movies. cya!

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    Vandy

    Heh. Might as well...

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    Helius

    ^Do this because there is no other option for me.

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    Helius

    yeah there are. at one point in the last game I had like 5 votes for me but we ended up killing a mafioso instead. it's never too late to sway the people

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    Vandy

    A little less that eight and a half hours.

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    `Roxas`

    and down goes helium.

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    Kyon

    Well, if Helius is giving up...

    Feral Changed his vote to Helius

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    Feral

    Um... Why are you letting yourself die, Helius?

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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    No! This feels so utterly wrong D:

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    Female Alpha Wolf

    I'm not so sure, but at this point it doesn't seem to matter much and doing nothing seems unlikely to help. Hopefully this works out (sad)

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    Pirate_Ninja

    Stay the course. A no kill is utterly foolish at this point.

    Helius is guilty - I'm betting my life on it.

    And you'll all likely survive the night when the mafia gets their revenge kill on me.

    Let it pass, please. We have no other option.

    But by all means, if the mafia want to wait until the last second to jump on the no-kill-for-helius boat, that simplifies the process of figuring them out.

    April 28, 2013
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    Count Dooku

    A brief article from a budding journalist in the town read:

    "Majorasmask9 was popular last night. Black Yoshi and Hindenburg visited him at his house."

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    Trever Leingod

    Less than four hours left here... apparently we're killing Helius? Guess I've got more catching up to do...

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    hezekiah

    "Majorasmask9 was popular last night. Black Yoshi and Hindenburg visited him at his house."

    Please. Please. Please do not swap to MM9 at this late hour.

    He can't be Mafia. There are 4 Mafia - they'd all meet up at his house. Only 3 went to see MM9.

    DO NOT VOTE FOR MM9 - THESE WERE LIKELY TOWNIES CARRYING OUT THEIR ACTIONS ON OTHER TOWNIES.

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    Count Dooku

    Only 3 went to see MM9.

    I mean that only 2 people visited MM9.

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    Count Dooku

    If anything, I am repulsed by his willingness to forfeit his life and since his death seems to be all the rage, here you go:

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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    Also Trever this has alarm bells going off in my head:

    Godfather skill - Allows the player to try out the Godfather’s ability to appear innocent to the Commissioner for the night, in hopes of becoming his Godfather’s eventual successor.

    Does this mean that one of the Godsons will become the Godfather if we eliminate the Godfather at any point in this game?

    April 28, 2013
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    Count Dooku

    Well, I feel bad, but I'm with Dooku on this one.

    Sorry, Helee.

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    Castrael

    No, they don't become the new Godfather, they remain Godsons. The description of becoming the successor is more of a story-induced detail.

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    Trever Leingod

    Not changing my vote, Dooku.

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    Feral

    No, they don't become the new Godfather, they remain Godsons. The description of becoming the successor is more of a story-induced detail.

    Good deal.

    Helius sits at 10 votes, accounting for Feral's vote. 2 more would seal the deal early.

    Otherwise we have less than 4ish hours left, if my previously terrible time keeping skills are now functioning properly.

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    Count Dooku

    "Majorasmask9 was popular last night. Black Yoshi and Hindenburg visited him at his house."


    (duck)

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    MajorasMask9

    (duck)!!

    So that means that either both are Townies and got a kit...

    Or...

    Actually I think that's it.

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    Female Alpha Wolf

    Journalist may have just fucked us with that article, I'm sorry to say.

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    Count Dooku

    Alright, after reading through the posts, I do think Helius is our best option. Dooku's rather adamant about it and I don't think a Mafia member would stick his neck out there like that so soon, at least not for a single lynch. And the way some of Helius' posts have been worded seem really sketchy to me. I feel pretty comfortable with this vote.

    As for the Journalist, there are a couple of possibilities, arranged in order from most likely to least likely:

    1. Both Black Yoshi and Hindenburg are Townies who got power packs.

    2. The Journalist is lying about some or all of that statement.

    3. One of Black Yoshi/Hindenburg is a Godson who got the roleblocking power pack.

    4. One of Black Yoshi/Hindenburg is Mafia who targeted MM9 to be killed, while the other got a medkit and saved MM9. This is least likely because I tend to agree that Dooku was most likely targeted last night.

    It's...not especially useful information. Because of #2, we can't be certain that we can even trust it, and it doesn't really confirm anything. If we take this at face value, though, I do think it virtually confirms MM9's innocence since there's no mention he left his house during the night.

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    white lancer

    ...forgot to vote. {:P}

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    white lancer

    Actually, Lancer, your observation is a HUGE help. I have a confession to make: I am the one behind the "higher power" message. I miraculously happened to get the Potion pack last night, and know that Dooku was the target. That means that Hindenberg, Yoshi, and Majora, who were NOT at Dooku's house, are confirmed innosent. Sorry I doubted you, Majora.

    Dooku, if Helius is guilty and you get targeted, I will save you. However, if he is innocent, and you don't get targeted, I will lead the charge against you.

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    Feral

    Ah well I guess so...

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    Female Alpha Wolf

    One more vote is needed to end the round.

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    `Roxas`

    However, if he is innocent, and you don't get targeted, I will lead the charge against you.

    I would expect nothing less. If Helius turns out to be innocent, I'll tie the knot in the rope for you.

    The round is actually over. Feral cannot vote through regular means, but you can see the yellow text above (which he hasn't changed) where he voted for Helius.

    12 votes it is... the round is over. And now we find out the truth.

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    Count Dooku

    Alright, Feral. In that case, I'd suggest that anyone who gets a medkit use it on one Yoshi/Hindenburg/MM9--they're most likely innocent (unless the Journalist or Feral are lying) and are likely Mafia targets.

    Dooku, if Helius is guilty and you get targeted, I will save you. However, if he is innocent, and you don't get targeted, I will lead the charge against you.

    ...if you knew Dooku was targeted by the Mafia last night, why the heck to do you think there's even a chance he's guilty? Do you really think the Mafia would off one of their own right off the bat?

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    white lancer

    ...that should be "why the heck do you." Whoops. But yeah. Feral's Potion revealing that Dooku was the target last night virtually confirms his innocence to me.

    If I were you, I'd hold onto that Potion for a while, Feral. Save it for when you think we'll really need it.

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    white lancer

    Alright, Feral. In that case, I'd suggest that anyone who gets a medkit use it on one Yoshi/Hindenburg/MM9--they're most likely innocent (unless the Journalist or Feral are lying) and are likely Mafia targets.

    I would not suggest MM9. The Mafia have no indication he left his house last night, meaning it would be a waste of a kill really. It's more likely (in my mind) that they'd target the ones who visited him. Yoshi and Hindenburg.

    ...if you knew Dooku was targeted by the Mafia last night, why the heck to do you think there's even a chance he's guilty? Do you really think the Mafia would off one of their own right off the bat?

    Hrm, turns out Lancer is better at defending me than I am. Forgot the whole 'Mafia tried to cut off my face' thing.

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    Count Dooku

    If I were you, I'd hold onto that Potion for a while, Feral. Save it for when you think we'll really need it.

    This too. If I'm right about Helius, good for us. But that doesn't automatically make me a valuable player whose life is worth using the potion pack on. Save it for our actual commissioner if/when they reveal.

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    Count Dooku

    Joking threat, mate. I know Dooku is innosent.

    If I am right, and the Mafia targets me or Dooku, then my claim and innosents will be confirmed when nobody dies come morning, so no worries.

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    Feral

    I'll save it then. As long as you guys don't suspect I am lying.

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    Feral

    I don't think we should say that Black Yoshi and Hindenburg are confirmed innocent just yet. One of them could be a Godson that was targeting me with one of their powers. I do think, however, that it would be unlikely for both of them to be mafia and both target me, so it's definitely safe to say that at least one of them is innocent.

    However, I do think one of them could be guilty, with the other possibly being the Commissioner, unfortunately. I'm not silenced, someone with a Journalist pack wrote an article already, my house wasn't burned down, and Feral claims to have the Potion Pack. If Black Yoshi or Hindenburg are town-sided, they would have had to use a Medkit pack on me. Which I guess could be possible, although I question the likelihood of it.

    It's also likely one is the Commissioner while the other had a Medkit pack. Either way, I think the Commissioner is in danger and Feral in particular should watch out for that. The Commissioner may want to reveal their information (in public or to a trusted individual in private) sometime.

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    MajorasMask9

    ((Enjoying this bit of post-round strategics))

    However, I do think one of them could be guilty, with the other possibly being the Commissioner, unfortunately. I'm not silenced, someone with a Journalist pack wrote an article already, my house wasn't burned down, and Feral claims to have the Potion Pack. If Black Yoshi or Hindenburg are town-sided, they would have had to use a Medkit pack on me. Which I guess could be possible, although I question the likelihood of it.

    These were my thoughts too - the Commissioner may be in danger.

    Unfortunately, the Mafia might try to exploit this situation to get Feral to waste his potion pack.

    Journalist article seems to really be more trouble than its worth.

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    Count Dooku

    Also unless the Dragon has strong suspicions tonight, I'd like to ask that they hold off from killing anyone.

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    Count Dooku

    I was also thinking the same thing...just didn't want to spell it out because I was hoping the Mafia wouldn't come to the same conclusion. {:P} But since it's out there, Feral should probably save his power pack for one of Yoshi/Hindenburg (or himself, if he's the target).

    Mostly, I'm hoping the Journalist was lying about at least some of his information. We can't really say that it confirms anyone's innocence even if it's true (aside from MM9), but it does give the Mafia a hint about potential power roles. Wouldn't really be much help at all unless it was an intentional misdirect.

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    white lancer

    Can the journalist see if someone leaves their room? I'm not seeing how that confirmed my innocence any last night; I thought the Journalist only saw who visited me. Maybe I'm misremembering things again.

    I was also thinking the same thing...just didn't want to spell it out because I was hoping the Mafia wouldn't come to the same conclusion.


    Right now I'm kind of just playing under the assumption that the mafia have picked up on all of this on their own. It seems much safer to throw it out there for everyone to see (and let the Commissioner know that they could be in danger) than to just hope the mafia don't think of it and don't act on it.

    Unfortunately, the Mafia might try to exploit this situation to get Feral to waste his potion pack.


    Agreed. But I don't really think Feral would have much of a choice if the opportunity presented itself where he had to protect Black Yoshi or Hindenberg. Unless he really wanted to be that risky and possibly let the Commissioner die.

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    MajorasMask9

    I just want to throw this potential strategy out there in case the Mafia try to use it - I wouldn't put it past them to target one of their own with the hopes that someone would use a potion on that person. That would pretty much give that Mafia member a free "everyone thinks I'm innocent" pass for the rest of the game.

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    Jo Nathan

    I have one Hell of a night round ahead of me...

    Hopefully, Jo, that isn't a risk the Mafia will take.

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    Feral

    Just use your best judgement Feral. The situation can go either way.

    Also if someone gets sensor results from today, be sure to post them.

    April 28, 2013
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    Count Dooku

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