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day 2 just do what you came here to do

Posted March 22, 2013 by Count Dooku

The town wakes to tragedy, and an uncertain future.

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Four hours earlier:

Redack is seated in his study, going over the night's investigation notes. A plate of freshly baked cookies sits near him.

The door to the study slowly creaks open.

Godfather: "The great and powerful Skeptical Sheriff. We meet at last. I suppose you've been expecting me, right? The all-knowing Skeptical Sheriff is never surprised. How can he be, he knows everything! But if that's true, then why is he here? If he knew I was coming, why didn't he leave?"

The Godfather crosses the room in three quick steps and throws the plate of cookies into the wall.

Godfather: "Maybe you knew I was going to do that, maybe you didn't. If you did, that means you baked those cookies and set that plate right there deliberately, purposefully. Which means you're sitting there also deliberately, purposefully."

Redack: "What did you do with my cat?"

Redack's cat emerges from the hallway, wearing a fancy suit. It's clearly working for the mafia now, and purrs as it rubs up against the Godfather's leg.

Godfather: "Cats need love like everything does."

Redack: "Just do what you came here to do."

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Two hours earlier:

The town is awakened by a high-pitched shriek, although they cannot say which house it originated from. A few citizens get to their window just in time to see a bright light ascend into the sky.

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Present time:

In the town square, the approaching citizens are greeted to a grisly scene. Impaled upon the sword of the statue of Black Lancer - The Man Who Actually Lances, is the body of Redack. The fountain below runs red with his blood.

On the rim of the fountain, a blood stained badge confirms what many already know.

Skeptical Sheriff Redack is dead.

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Player List:

1. Xhin
2. Chiefsonny
3. Redack - Skeptical Sheriff DEAD
4. Hezekiah
5. Vandy
6. Black Yoshi
7. Helius
8. Trever Leingod
9. White Thunder
10. `Roxas`
11. white lancer
12. Jo Nathan
13. MajorasMask9
14. Female Alpha Wolf
15. Frustro
16. Castrael
17. Speed Bike Pro
18. Hindenburg

Town – Mafia – Alien Ratio:

10 – 4 – 3

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Trying something today:

Day 2 will end when 24 hours have passed AND a minimum vote threshold of 12 (2/3 of 17 rounded up) has been reached.

If 12 votes are reached before the end of the original 24 hours, but votes are then changed, the town must confirm their choice by reaching 12 votes for the same option.

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God have mercy... He was so young, I... I wish I had the chance to know him better... Rest in peace, sheriff, may your skepticism know no bounds in the afterlife...~

March 22, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Boy I botched the color coding in that post. Shame the host can't edit posts here.

March 22, 2013
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Count Dooku

Sheriff... I'll never forget you... And... And to think, I was going to... To...

*puts away engagement ring with a sniffle

March 22, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Aw Dooku you should have killed him with spiders xD

{:/} Seriously though, that's a rough loss for us so early on.

March 22, 2013
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Trever Leingod

Dooku, reset the vote thingy please

March 22, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

Poor Redack. He's going to stop signing up for these games again{:P}

March 22, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

I guess we should wait for the UFO Hunter now. The loss of the Sheriff is really going to hurt us later; we need to get rid of the Aliens as soon as possible.

March 22, 2013
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White Thunder

Of course only reveal if you have an Alien verdict; even then we might want to wait. The tradeoff between hoping for more guilty verdicts and the chance that the UFO Hunter gets night killed is a fine line and is a tough call.

March 22, 2013
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White Thunder

That's always a problem with inspection roles, especially since there is no Doctor this game.

The cop would have had to wait for at least two guilty verdicts, and the UFO hunter should do the same. The day s/he reveals, you can be sure the UFO hunter will be probed and that "interesting" thing will happen. If we lose the UFO hunter before at least two alien verdicts, we will have to play the game basically shooting in the dark. And with both the aliens and the Mafia to eliminate, that would be very very bad for the town.

March 22, 2013
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Trever Leingod

A man has needs... And this man has a particularly big need, if you catch my drift...

March 22, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

A man has needs... And this man has a particularly big need, if you catch my drift...

I am assuming this means you had a load of beans and you desperately need some Beano...

March 22, 2013
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Trever Leingod

Dooku, reset the vote thingy please

Votes reset, sorry about that.

March 22, 2013
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Count Dooku

Don't forget to change the "main thread" to 75087 or else we won't be able to vote :).

March 22, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Ah, who needs to vote. It sucks that we won't have the voodoo of Redack. We won't even have Feral's dreams...

March 22, 2013
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Helius

Ffffothermucker. That's a right good way to start off. Obviously the Mafia killed Redack on principle, meaning there's at least a few in there that're experienced. Which... amounts to most everyone playing, really. Due to have quickly the Aliens will be dwindling the list of possible UFO Hunters, I'd be more inclined to the Hunter revealing an Alien asap. However, this mysterious interesting thing leaves me uneasy.

But all is not lost. The Mafia made a grave mistake last night.

Exposing one of their own.

Frustro Voted for The Cat

March 22, 2013
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Frustro

... Also done. This has certainly been a learning experience.

March 22, 2013
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Count Dooku

Sorry I'm late -- was out to dinner with family and when I tried to log on via my phone, I couldn't log on to the site. Every time I tried it shot me back to the homepage and the three rightmost icons did not appear.

Anyway, it looks as if the Mafia got lucky last night. Let's hope they don't find the UFO Hunter tonight or we're royally screwed.

That said, I have some suspicions based on last round, but I have to reread that post to be absolutely sure.

March 23, 2013
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Black Yoshi

What will we do without the solid, firm grasp of the law? What the FUCK IS GOING TO HAPPEN? DIE

March 23, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Maybe the mafia would consider not killing anyone while the UFO Hunter does their job and finds the aliens (win-win for them and the town, now that the cop is dead!).

Otherwise the UFO Hunter will probably die before they can get their results out.

March 23, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Interesting that you would give the mafia advice, Major Mask... Very interesting indeed...

March 23, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

If Majora were Mafia, he wouldn't need to give them advice out in the open for everyone to see - he'd just bring it up in their private thread. I mean, he could be Mafia, but that isn't something I personally would use as evidence against him.

I actually found Cas's unusual silence to be suspicious, which was brought up in the last round, but if she's dealing with IRL issues it's hard to pass judgement on her.

Poor Redack. He's going to stop signing up for these games again


That is a shame. If he ever lands a Mafia role everyone will suspect him when he isn't killed in the first couple rounds. {:P}

March 23, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Interesting inDEED..........................

March 23, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Also done. This has certainly been a learning experience.

Also reset the game announcement which is still on "Game 16: Night 1 - We Can Neither Confirm Nor Deny..." and get someone to change the global "Mafia Game 16 Restart has started" announcement. {:P} Get your head in the role, bud.

March 23, 2013
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Trever Leingod

to change the global "Mafia Game 16 Restart has started" announcement


I removed it. That's not his fault. Only a admin can add or remove from that area.

March 23, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

This is so boring. Can we speed up this process by a few days and get to the part where we start getting information and lynching people?

March 23, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

So looking back at the first round and what happened during the Night 1...

I'd look at Speed Bike Pro because he voted for Redack, didn't bother changing his vote...

Though, he is a new player, but I'd like to see how he responds to this.

March 23, 2013
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Helius

I'd like to consult my lawyer...

March 23, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

I saw that too, but the thing is, it was more Speed being Speed and voting for whomever he wanted to vote for than Speed intentionally voting someone off.

March 23, 2013
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Black Yoshi

I removed it. That's not his fault. Only a admin can add or remove from that area.

Hence why I said "get someone to change it" {:D}

It's cool though. I remember it was a bit of a challenge getting used to hosting.

I'd look at Speed Bike Pro because he voted for Redack, didn't bother changing his vote...

A worthwhile mention, but he and Hindenburg seem to be all over the map. They are goofing off so much I feel inclined to take everything they say or do with a grain of salt. They might be doing this to throw us off, but it appears to me they are just messing around.

I saw that too, but the thing is, it was more Speed being Speed and voting for whomever he wanted to vote for than Speed intentionally voting someone off.

My thoughts exactly.

March 23, 2013
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Trever Leingod

I think its a mistake to take it with a grain of salt considering this is their first game on here. Who knows if they have played this game else where?

I don't have anything to pin on them yet, but I think it was worth mentioning. The other thing is that they all voted for Administrators... I know we have a habit of voting those guys off first, but ya know... (:S)

March 23, 2013
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Helius

I think its a mistake to take it with a grain of salt considering this is their first game on here. Who knows if they have played this game else where?

A valid point. In my experience they are goofy guys though. I guess we should watch them closely, being new and all. It will be hard to say until we get used to their playing style.

March 23, 2013
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Trever Leingod

As a few of you guessed, I was silenced last night. Would you believe that was the first time I'd ever been silenced in GTX0 Mafia?

I don't think the UFO Hunter should come out at all. The presence of the Assassin just makes any roleclaiming way too dangerous because it means we're likely to lose two players in one night. And I think worrying about the Aliens too much right now is a mistake--the Mafia is more dangerous as a whole and we're in no danger of letting the Aliens win unless we somehow whittle the Mafia down to one. Actually, every Alien we take down increases our chances of losing to the Mafia, since they count on our side in the anti-Mafia ratio.

March 23, 2013
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white lancer

I don't think the UFO Hunter should come out at all.

...he's an alien.

March 23, 2013
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Trever Leingod

Um, no he isn't. He detects aliens, but he's Town-sided.

March 23, 2013
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white lancer

I was calling you an alien for saying "I don't think the UFO Hunter should come out at all." {:P}

Jokingly of course, but it would make sense for you to be an alien by saying that... it would be no different than saying a cop shouldn't speak up until we found more aliens (if he were still around). A concise guilty/alien verdict is nothing but useful to the town, and even hinting about withholding that kind of information seems fishy.

March 23, 2013
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Trever Leingod

My bad. {:P}

Tell me, Trever, why would it be a good idea for the UFO Hunter to come out today? If they've got one Alien verdict, great. There are still two more Aliens out there, and suddenly we don't have the means to detect them anymore because the Mafia sees them as a free kill. If they've got one 'innocent' verdict, that doesn't do us much good at all--the person they select as innocent could simply wind up being Mafia anyway. Suggesting the UFO Hunter come out right now is frankly kind of moronic, as it does very little good for the Town even with a Guilty verdict and throws away a power role. Odds are good that they'll survive later into the game because there's no reason to expect they'll be the next Mafia target--just like with the Cop, it would be way better for them to stay hidden and quietly gather information than it would be to come out and get one single Alien.

March 23, 2013
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white lancer

Ladies, please form an orderly line in front of the hot tub.

March 23, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Yeah, think I might be with lancer on this one. Maybe if they get two Alien verdicts they come out then. We just gotta hope that the Mafia doesn't get lucky again and take them out.

March 23, 2013
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White Thunder

Two verdicts would definitely be better--I'd say they should reveal then especially if we manage to get the Assassin out of the game. The UFO Hunter really isn't a threat to the Mafia except as a confirmed innocent number on the Town's side, so I can't see them wasting a kill on him/her unless all of the other power roles are dead already. But with the Assassin, they wouldn't even have to waste a Nightkill, so the UFO Hunter revealing would basically be just giving the Mafia an extra kill. Roleclaiming isn't going to be a very effective strategy with the Mafia able to take out two roles per night.

I just find it a little curious how the Sheriff goes down, and people start worrying about the Aliens. Why? The Aliens actually become less of a threat with the Sheriff out, because they need the Mafia to go down as well. Personally, I think the Mafia is the bigger threat right now, since we just lost our biggest weapon against them, and focusing on the Aliens will just help them out. Obviously, we should take a crack at either side if we get the chance (and it'll be hard to distinguish between the two, really), but things aren't so drastic that we need to do things like have the UFO Hunter reveal themselves.

March 23, 2013
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white lancer

I don't have to defend my actions.... Behhh...

March 23, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Tell me, Trever, why would it be a good idea for the UFO Hunter to come out today?

Heck no. I thought you meant the UFO hunter should NEVER reveal. "I don't think the UFO Hunter should come out at all." That kinda infers never revealing their info at all no matter how many alien verdicts they got, not just staying quiet today. {:P} I'm sure you could understand the misconception.

Two verdicts would definitely be better--I'd say they should reveal then especially if we manage to get the Assassin out of the game. The UFO Hunter really isn't a threat to the Mafia except as a confirmed innocent number on the Town's side, so I can't see them wasting a kill on him/her unless all of the other power roles are dead already.

I entirely agree with that point.

March 23, 2013
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Trever Leingod

Speed is acting kind of shifty... My eyebrow is raised quizzically irl...

March 23, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Don't make me tell everyone that you're the Silencer, Hindy...

March 23, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Oh, that's not what I meant at all. Of course the UFO Hunter should reveal at some point if they have helpful information (like, say, the identity of all three Aliens, but I'll settle for two under certain circumstances. Maybe even one, under very strict circumstances). I just don't think today's a good day for it no matter what result they got last night.

...and as for suspicions, I kinda hate to say this because she's died early in Aliens and last game, but I think Red was right that Castrael being quiet is concerning. I may be willing to vote for her today. There are a couple of other people that I'm looking at, but I'm going to wait and observe them more before saying anything.

March 23, 2013
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white lancer

I'm around, but I'm being a bit shy, tbh. I just got home an hour and so ago. I needed to just relax from a long day at work. It was terribly busy at my job because of Passover coming up. My issues have been better, yay, and tonight I'm going to be with some friends. The weekends are my busiest usually and the most drama filled. So, I'm usually quiet and/or playing on my 3DS. (It calms me)

As for the the Mafia game itself so far, I haven't a clue who's who. It really does suck that the Sheriff is gone tho, especially poor Redack is sitting out of the game again. >< I'm also just trying to not vote too much, since it annoyed most people and confused me for the most part.

I'm more concerned about the other players that are quiet tho.

March 24, 2013
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Castrael

can we lynch sbp and hindsburg even if they are town-sided

chances are at least one of them are alien/mafia anyway

March 24, 2013
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Vandy

playing on my 3DS

Better be Fire Emblem.

can we lynch sbp and hindsburg even if they are town-sided

I thought we were friends, Vandy... Townies gotta look out for townies... Right...?

March 24, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

You know, for this town being Roswell, there seem to only be like 17 people living here. Anyone else notice that?

Maybe I'm just being paranoid... Better just move this along...

March 24, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Better be Fire Emblem.[/quote

Considering of trying it, but no Golden Sun: Dark Dawn.


March 24, 2013
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Castrael

Well, it'd be well worth it... It's pretty awesome... Just trying to help a sista townie out over here... Thug life...

March 24, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

So, Castrael... Honey... are you... Single, by chance...? Hard times call for some hard measures, if you catch my drift. And I'm measuring one big hard.

March 24, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Thank you ^^, it's what us Townies do for each other. I enjoy RPG Games.

March 24, 2013
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Castrael

Hey, no problem, babe. I know plenty of good RPGs. I specialize in live action.

March 24, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

can we lynch sbp and hindsburg even if they are town-sided

chances are at least one of them are alien/mafia anyway

And they keep on going back and forth. Having fun is one thing, but not really posting anything that's useful is another. Especially, when you have such as this:

Don't make me tell everyone that you're the Silencer, Hindy...

I'm just going to vote for one. I mean I was killed in previous games for voting for myself and it being annoying... why do we tolerate this?

March 24, 2013
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Helius

Oh, sorry, I'll be sure to contribute more since, ya know, it's day two and we know so much.

Jesus Christ.

March 24, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Death to the buzzkill.

March 24, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Agh, I have no idea how to actually read Speed or Hindenburg. I could definitely see one or both of them being anti-Town, but I'm not sure at all (plus I kinda hate the thought of going after people so early on their first game). I may be willing to go for one or the other, but I'd like to wait to hear from some other people. There are still a couple of people who haven't posted in this round.

March 24, 2013
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white lancer

I'm not anti-town and I'm not anti-any person in particular. It was just a fluke that I voted for Redack and he happened to die. If anything, perhaps the mafia is intelligent and wanted to direct the attention of the wary townies towards me by killing the person I voted for, which would add suspicion to my otherwise mentally challenged behavior thus far. That way, they buy some time for themselves while I take the heat from people like Vandy and Helius. If that was your strategy, mafia guys, I'm sorry for spoiling. If it wasn't, then that's what you should have done.

I wanted to wait until another day before I made a reply like this because I thought it'd be hilarious if I was unintentionally using the mafia to kill anyone I voted for but clearly I cannot afford to take that risk since my neck is apparently very inviting for a noose.

Plus, it's literally day two. We don't know anything and it's boring as hell until we do. I'm sorry that my antics came off so offensive. Any speculation at this juncture is just hearsay.

So.... sup w/ u guys?

March 24, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

penus LOL

March 24, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

The UFO Hunter really isn't a threat to the Mafia except as a confirmed innocent number on the Town's side, so I can't see them wasting a kill on him/her unless all of the other power roles are dead already. But with the Assassin, they wouldn't even have to waste a Nightkill, so the UFO Hunter revealing would basically be just giving the Mafia an extra kill.


I doubt the Mafia would actually even waste the effort in killing the UFO Hunter even if they revealed, since that role is nothing but beneficial to both the Town and Mafia. The only consequence would be the backdoor violation of the Hunter by the Aliens and resulting interesting thing. Throwing my guess out there: it'll probably have something to do with the Aliens gaining the ability to abduct/kill people - then they'd hunt Mafia too.

I'd like to hear from Roxas this round, if he hasn't been silenced (it's either him or Xhin). Some of the things he was saying on Day 1 was leaving me a bit iffy.

March 24, 2013
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Frustro

Fair enough, Speed. That's what I was looking for. Otherwise, you'd be something of anti-town. You didn't seem to be a team player so I had to push you to see what would happen. You're kind of an unknown in this game.

March 24, 2013
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Helius

Ah, I see.. The old bait and switch.. Well, I don't have a tacklebox with me right now. Understand? Don't push my buttons or you bite the big one, and the big one bites back. Capiche?

March 24, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Sorry guys. I hadn't realized that the next round had posted with work and all.

But omg. If Redack isn't Mafia he's always first to go. And I agree with Frustro about the fact that there's experienced players on their side... why else would they have chosen Redack first?

I need to come back and read through this when I'm sober though so I have no one in mind as an Alien thus far.

March 24, 2013
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Female Alpha Wolf

You're looking good today, FAW... Mmhmmhmm...

March 24, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Nah I don't swing dat way homie.

March 24, 2013
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Female Alpha Wolf

I see... Not everyone likes compliments... Sorry I said anything... I just... I've been so alone ever since my cat died...

March 24, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Hindenburg is Mafia. This proves it ^

March 24, 2013
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Female Alpha Wolf

YOU DON'T HAVE SHIT

March 24, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Hindenburg, please focus less on innuendo and more on the game. You're becoming a distraction.

Wouldn't want the town to lynch you just to get you out of their hair.

March 24, 2013
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Count Dooku

This is getting weird.

MM9 has been pretty quiet, and hasn't really contributed much. lancer did the same thing when he was Mafia a game or two ago. I'd like to hear from him.

March 24, 2013
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White Thunder

I doubt the Mafia would actually even waste the effort in killing the UFO Hunter even if they revealed, since that role is nothing but beneficial to both the Town and Mafia.

My point was that it doesn't require any extra effort on the part of the Mafia to take out the UFO Hunter, since the Assassin gives them a free kill. But yeah, the Aliens' ability to go after the UFO Hunter is another reason it would be a bad idea for them to reveal.

MM9 has been pretty quiet, and hasn't really contributed much. lancer did the same thing when he was Mafia a game or two ago. I'd like to hear from him.

Bah, I was legitimately gone most of that time! But yeah, MM9 being quieter is a bit worrisome--last time he was this quiet was in the game I hosted, where he was Mafia for the second time in a row...

I have been kinda assuming Roxas was the one silenced this round. Makes more sense than Xhin.

March 24, 2013
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white lancer

You said I was quiet last game, lancer, and I was just as quiet as I was now (ie I think I've said more than my average reply count in a lot of other games)!

It's still early in the game with little to discuss. As I said earlier I'd prefer to have the town and mafia wait it out while the UFO Hunter finds the aliens so we don't have to worry about that. The mafia would have nothing to worry about since we wouldn't get sensor results or cop results. The downside to this is that it would take a lot of turns where ideally nothing happens.

March 24, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Also, I don't particularly want helius dead.

March 24, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Well, thanks, MM9. I'd rather not die early either.

The possibilities that I see for Lancer are: He's Mafia or He's an Alien. Looking back at when I hosted the previous game, he was exactly the way he is now. It's a bit worrisome. Dooku in that game pointed out his suspicion as well because Lancer usually takes a leadership role when he is a townie. He takes the lead.

It's possible that he is some sort of power role town sided, but I'm not so sure on that. The other possibility is that he is a townie, and just doesn't have the time (which might also be the case).

March 24, 2013
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Helius

Hindenburg, please focus less on innuendo and more on the game. You're becoming a distraction.

Ok, sorry, I'll focus more on our bountiful bushels of knowledge we have regarding suspicions. Starting with:

March 24, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

You said I was quiet last game, lancer, and I was just as quiet as I was now (ie I think I've said more than my average reply count in a lot of other games)!

Err...you were quiet last round, but only because you were dead for most of it! I was Mafia last game, Host in the previous game, so I'm not sure what game you're referring to. But my issue with you isn't so much the number of replies as it is the content. Almost every one of your posts has been a fun one-liner with very little actually related to the game, and that's worrisome to me from a power player. Also worrisome is posts like this:

It's still early in the game with little to discuss. As I said earlier I'd prefer to have the town and mafia wait it out while the UFO Hunter finds the aliens so we don't have to worry about that. The mafia would have nothing to worry about since we wouldn't get sensor results or cop results. The downside to this is that it would take a lot of turns where ideally nothing happens.

There are so many problems with this strategy! Most notably the part that you explicitly point out: the Mafia have nothing to worry about for so many turns while we get zero information from the Cop, zero from the Sensor, and spend all our time making it easier for the Mafia to win! This post really makes me want to vote you out right now.

Looking back at when I hosted the previous game, he was exactly the way he is now. It's a bit worrisome. Dooku in that game pointed out his suspicion as well because Lancer usually takes a leadership role when he is a townie. He takes the lead.

If you think that, you really haven't been paying attention. :) Note that I was Silenced last round, and since I came on here the first time I've been nothing but active and contributing. Very different from last game.

Ok, sorry, I'll focus more on our bountiful bushels of knowledge we have regarding suspicions. Starting with:

Let me fill in your list:

Majora: For the reasons outlined above
Castrael: Because she's been so uncharacteristically quiet this game.
hezekiah: Purely because he suggested early roleclaiming last round when that's the worst strategy in a game with no Doctor and an Assassin.
White Thunder: I'm actually less suspicious of him now because my thoughts have shifted toward MM9, but I was a little leery of the fact that he started the trend of freaking out about the Aliens this round when we lost the Sheriff.
Helius: Waiting to see more from him--I could go either way. Wanting to just randomly vote out Speed or Hindenburg is very interesting and possibly something a Mafia member would do, but it's also possible that he wanted to get Sensor results.

I would like to vote one of these people off today. The one I'm most suspicious of at the moment is Majora.

March 24, 2013
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white lancer

beh

March 24, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Let me poke some holes in that theory, shall I?

Majora: For the reasons outlined above

Majora and `Roxas` both made mistakes last game or overlooked things that could have led to a quicker victory for the town. I'm not excusing them.

Castrael: Because she's been so uncharacteristically quiet this game.

She also has made mistakes in previous games, and doesn't want to make those mistakes again. This is characteristically of her type and caliber.

hezekiah: Purely because he suggested early roleclaiming last round when that's the worst strategy in a game with no Doctor and an Assassin.

The Mafia had suggested something of the sort before the restart of this game, and I would have to agree that this is incredibly suspicious. Redack was the Godfather before the restart and I was the Assassin. I can't remember who else was there, but I'd definitely consider this highly probable cause for a lynching.

White Thunder: I'm actually less suspicious of him now because my thoughts have shifted toward MM9, but I was a little leery of the fact that he started the trend of freaking out about the Aliens this round when we lost the Sheriff.

I noticed that as well. Best bet is he is Mafioso.

Helius: Waiting to see more from him--I could go either way. Wanting to just randomly vote out Speed or Hindenburg is very interesting and possibly something a Mafia member would do, but it's also possible that he wanted to get Sensor results.

Helius is always shifty. He play mind games, and shouldn't be trusted; however, if you look at what he has been doing... he's playing the game. Look at all the wonderful results we are getting and the talking! Mafia and Aliens will eventually slip up and begin revealing themselves. No one should be able to hide their intentions or hide in the shadows. If you get accused, you should be able to defend yourself.

White Lancer

His opinions of how the game is being played has been incredibly better since the accusation that I threw out there. Although, he focused on the negative accusations more so than the observation that I could be and probably am wrong.

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That being said, we have to start somewhere, and I got people thinking instead of just waiting for some power role to come out and save us.

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Helius

She also has made mistakes in previous games, and doesn't want to make those mistakes again. This is characteristically of her type and caliber.


This is true.

I noticed that as well. Best bet is he is Mafioso.


Thunder hasn't done much but to contribute to the Town, like myself. I know I've been terribly inactive as of late, but Helius is right, I have made several mistakes in the past and I just want to learn from them.

As for Thunder:
I guess we should wait for the UFO Hunter now. The loss of the Sheriff is really going to hurt us later; we need to get rid of the Aliens as soon as possible.


This makes me suggest that he's just a Vanilla Townie. A Townie like myself.

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Castrael

Meh. Hardly freaking out about the aliens, just want to make sure we don't forget about them. The reason I talked about the aliens and not the Mafia is because we still have a UFO Hunter but no Cop- I would have said the same things about the Cop as I did the UFO Hunter if he were still alive.

As for the previous list of suspicions, I think Majora and Helius are most likely to Mafia or alien. I really don't think lancer is, he's played a solid game so far. Cas mentioned she's had IRL problems so I don't wanna judge her too quickly, but we'll hear from her more once she gets stuff sorted out hopefully. That's an interesting point about hezy but he also could just not have been paying attention although we should keep an eye on him.

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White Thunder

Majora and `Roxas` both made mistakes last game or overlooked things that could have led to a quicker victory for the town. I'm not excusing them.

I fail to see how that addresses anything I said. Also, I never mentioned Roxas. The point is that sitting around and waiting for the UFO Hunter is not a winning strategy, particularly when the UFO Hunter can only deal with one threat (i.e. the threat that CAN'T kill us off at night). And the presence of the Sensor makes it an even worse strategy, because that role means taking a more active role and lynching aggressively gets us more information (and is, in fact, the ONLY way to get information on the Mafia now). I note you agree:

That being said, we have to start somewhere, and I got people thinking instead of just waiting for some power role to come out and save us.

Majora's last post argued for "just waiting for some power role to come out and save us." So why are you defending him? Sitting around and waiting only helps the Mafia, and it provides a benefit to the Aliens as well since it means a longer game = more time for them to probe people (although it's worse for their chances of winning, since they need the Mafia to go down in order to win). I'm suspicious of everyone who suggests waiting around in our current position, but especially someone like Majora who should probably know better.

She also has made mistakes in previous games, and doesn't want to make those mistakes again. This is characteristically of her type and caliber.

Debatable. Cas is usually a fun and outspoken person--I'm not sure how much a couple of mistakes last game would stop that. That being said, she did say she had some personal issues (that I hope are going better for her), so I'm not quite as worried about her. She's still on my list.


Helius is always shifty. He play mind games, and shouldn't be trusted; however, if you look at what he has been doing... he's playing the game. Look at all the wonderful results we are getting and the talking! Mafia and Aliens will eventually slip up and begin revealing themselves. No one should be able to hide their intentions or hide in the shadows. If you get accused, you should be able to defend yourself.

Indeed, and talking = good for the Town and bad for non-Town roles. This does make me suspect you a little bit less, because it makes a lot of sense.

His opinions of how the game is being played has been incredibly better since the accusation that I threw out there. Although, he focused on the negative accusations more so than the observation that I could be and probably am wrong.

...lol. It's been one post since that accusation. My other posts were also completely game-centered--they just weren't quite as specific. Majora's my most concrete suspicion, but I admit I'm not as certain of him as I was a couple of games ago (when people didn't. listen. to me.). I just think we have to start somewhere, like you mentioned, and since he heads my list that's where I'm starting.

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white lancer

Well, we're completely glancing over the Sensor. {:?}

UFO Hunter is only good at A) clearing up who is human or B) figuring out who the Aliens are.

The problem with the Aliens is... they are a third party role that has a win condition unique to their position. They can blend in as normal Townies because their only objective is to survive at any cost. Obviously, the UFO Hunter is a big worry for them.

Mafia, on the other hand, have to worry about Sensor results and will continue trying to stall the game out with No Kills to pigeon hole that particular role now that the Sheriff is dead. Their best bet is to take a backseat role and wait out for the town to tear itself apart. Or spread misdirection as much as possible which is why I suspected Speed Bike Pro and Hinderburg as suspects. There posts hadn't really amounted to anything, and would have given them the appearance of active but not really helping the town.

It's easy to point fingers at one another, but a Mafia strategy of no kills really does not help us in the end. Meanwhile, the more time we waste not lynching, the more people the UFO Hunter has to check out individuals that may be wrong.

No Kill is a definitive win for Aliens and Mafia. Non-talking is a definitive win for Aliens and Mafia.

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Helius

There are so many problems with this strategy! Most notably the part that you explicitly point out: the Mafia have nothing to worry about for so many turns while we get zero information from the Cop, zero from the Sensor, and spend all our time making it easier for the Mafia to win! This post really makes me want to vote you out right now.


As I said, this is assuming the mafia are willing to go along with it and not kill anyone. That would be in no way making it easier for the mafia to win, only harder for the aliens to win.

March 24, 2013
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MajorasMask9

And darn it, Lancer! You got to it first.

Reason why I mention `Roxas` is because of the simple fact of mistakes. I wasn't trying to associate the two.

March 24, 2013
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Helius

Let me get some things straight first plz... So, if a mafia member votes during the day to lynch Xhin and then Xhin ends up dying in the ensuing night, the aforementioned mafia member's name would be revealed to the sensor? That's how that role works, right?

March 24, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

i like men

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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Sensor - After the end of each day round, the Sensor will find out how many anti-town roles (minus Godfather and Aliens) voted for the winning option. i.e., if Yeano gets lynched, he will find out how many mafia members (and other people who appear Guilty to the Cop) voted for Yeano. If No Kill wins, no results will be posted.

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Helius

Oh, I see... Fascinating stuff...

Anyways, if you guys want to lynch someone like a beaten animal, I will gladly switch my vote. But since I think any judgment this early on would be rushed, I'll leave it to you to tell me who to mindlessly murder.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

(that I hope are going better for her)


They are getting better, thanks Lancer. :3

I will try to be much more active around here, but tonight I won't be around much since I have work.

Lancer, have you possibly considered Xhin or Hezy at all? I mean I'm not pointing fingers here, but they've been pretty quiet too. There are others that are awfully quiet too, but I believe Roxas has been silenced by the Silencer. But, I'm curious as to where the other inactive players are. I'd like to hear from them as well.

March 24, 2013
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Castrael

Have we considered the possibility that I am a Townie? Something to think about.

March 24, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

For the Sensor strategy to work, we need to spread votes around... and watch out for anyone who switches last minute.

There were at least two of us who haven't spoken yet this game? If I was looking at that right. One would be silenced, and if I'm looking at the tally right... the other is inactive. Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I'd suggest we lynch the inactive player who hasn't been voting.

March 24, 2013
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Helius

^ that's a good idea. I don't see a problem with voting for a player that's not participating to gain valuable information

we should only use the number of votes necessary, though, to maximize the sensor's information

March 24, 2013
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Vandy

and we may want to speed up this process since 24 hours have already passed, which technically means this round should be over..

March 24, 2013
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Vandy

and we may want to speed up this process since 24 hours have already passed, which technically means this round should be over..

Apologies on my part, the round ends after 72 hours if no majority is met.

Basically the first 24 hours are set aside for discussion, then the first option that gets 12 votes in the remaining 48 hours will end the round.

Make sense?

March 24, 2013
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Count Dooku

Ironically, looking at the no votes we have had so far... Vandy, you're name is on the chopping block as well as FAW.

March 24, 2013
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Helius

As I said, this is assuming the mafia are willing to go along with it and not kill anyone. That would be in no way making it easier for the mafia to win, only harder for the aliens to win.

It does make it easier for the Mafia to win, in two ways:

1. It gets rid of the Aliens, who count against them in the ratio.
2. It reveals the UFO Hunter, netting them an extra kill as long as the Assassin is around.

Plus, I don't exactly trust the Mafia to agree with such a deal. Odds are decent they'd just off the UFO Hunter right off the bat and be happy the Town was distracted for a few rounds.

Anyways, if you guys want to lynch someone like a beaten animal, I will gladly switch my vote. But since I think any judgment this early on would be rushed, I'll leave it to you to tell me who to mindlessly murder.

The idea behind this is that if the Sensor can survive for a few days while we lynch other people, we'll have a good chance at catching three of the Mafia members (including their most dangerous ones) based on its information. If we manage to catch an Alien or Mafia member while we're lynching, that's even better, but even if not we've got quite a buffer zone until we have to start worrying about losing. The Mafia have to overcome a 13-4 deficit (Aliens included in that tally), and the Aliens need the Mafia to go down first, so even if one person dies each day and night, we'll be fine for a few rounds.

This is where the split between Mafia and Aliens really helps the Town. Right now, we have a 7/17 chance of hitting a non-Town player even if we voted at random (not recommended), better odds than we would normally have, but we still have less risk of imminent loss than we would if the 7 bad guys were all working together. Add in the possibility of Sensor/UFO Hunter results, and we'll stand a pretty decent chance of getting both out.

Lancer, have you possibly considered Xhin or Hezy at all? I mean I'm not pointing fingers here, but they've been pretty quiet too. There are others that are awfully quiet too, but I believe Roxas has been silenced by the Silencer. But, I'm curious as to where the other inactive players are. I'd like to hear from them as well.

Hezy was on my list of suspicions. Xhin is a little harder because recently he's been much less active in Mafia games.

For the Sensor strategy to work, we need to spread votes around... and watch out for anyone who switches last minute.

I would suggest that we decide collectively who we want to take out each round, and then have a small amount of people vote for that person while everyone else chooses Not Voting. We need to limit the number of people voting for the same option because it's not going to help us much if Dooku tells the Sensor that 4 out of the 17 people who voted are Guilty. So, yeah. I'll probably be dead next round, but in future rounds we'll need to mix up the people who are voting each day in order to get more varied results (hopefully when those results are put together we'll have a good chance of rooting out the Mafia).

There were at least two of us who haven't spoken yet this game? If I was looking at that right. One would be silenced, and if I'm looking at the tally right... the other is inactive. Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I'd suggest we lynch the inactive player who hasn't been voting.

That would be Xhin, I believe. I'm not usually in favor of lynching inactive players, but it might be worth it in this case since he's (hopefully) not a power role? Then again, he could just be a power role intentionally skating under the radar.

March 24, 2013
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white lancer

there hasn't been a reason to vote yet...

the only time I cast a "no kill" or "not voting" vote is when we all decide that we want the round to end early

March 24, 2013
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Vandy

there hasn't been a reason to vote yet...


the only time I cast a "no kill" or "not voting" vote is when we all decide that we want the round to end early


I agree with Vandy on this.

March 24, 2013
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Castrael

Also, we only have like 24 hours left to decide what we're going to do, and it might require a bit more time than normal since we'll need to coordinate. I think the Town should decide openly who is going to cast a vote each round--that keeps the Mafia from strategically choosing which ones of them are going to vote and which aren't. Maybe we should get some of our more suspicious players to vote the first time. Perhaps something like this?

Castrael
Speed Bike Pro
Hindenburg
MajorasMask9
Helius
white lancer

I'm willing to cast a vote today--I figure that even if I die tonight, it'll narrow down potential Mafia in that group (that's also why I think Helius should probably vote). The next day's voting group should consist mostly of new voters with a couple of holdovers so that the Sensor can compare the results (so something like White Thunder, hezekiah, FAW, Jo Nathan, Majora, Cas). The trick for the Sensor will be deciding when to reveal themselves and all their information. Tomorrow is almost certainly going to be too soon, but there are a couple of interesting scenarios:

1. Absolute best case scenario is if all 4 Guilty players are in the first group. I don't expect this to happen, but if it does the Sensor should roleclaim immediately.

2. If there are 0 Guilty players in the group, the Sensor has effectively ruled out 6 players as potential Mafia. That would be huge, but not as big as the above scenario--I'd say the Sensor should wait at least one more day before revealing unless they have reason to believe they're likely to be targeted next.

3. If there are 3 Guilty players in the group, the Sensor should seriously consider revealing themselves. That would give us a very good chance of getting at least half of the Mafia including their most powerful roles. On the other hand, one more round of waiting might give even more dramatic results, so if the Sensor thinks they might survive one more night they should probably stay hidden.

4. If there are 1-2 Guilty results, I think the Sensor should stay quiet for another round or two. That's helpful information, but it's not near game-winning information, and it'll only really get good when combined with one or two more days of info.

Also important is the Outsider's role in this--they will complicate things because they show up Guilty to the Sensor. The Outsider should roleclaim immediately if the Sensor comes forward and #1 or #3 are true--that will pretty much ensure getting the three non-Godfather Mafia members. Actually, it's probably best if the Outsider claims immediately if the Sensor comes forward, unless it's a case of "The Sensor is coming forward because they think they're going to die soon," and always if they're one of the players who have voted and been recorded in the Sensor data.

March 24, 2013
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white lancer

Also, I'm going to go ahead and switch my vote to Xhin, if that's what we've decided to do.

March 24, 2013
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white lancer

I'll vote, I ain't even care. My actions will prove my innocence more than words ever will. Tell me who to kill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

March 24, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Hah, your scare tactics won't work on me. Bring it on, I'll vote whenever and wherever.

March 24, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

I will follow suit with Lancer. Xhin's a good target anyhow, and I'm sure if he is a townie, he won't mind.

March 24, 2013
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Helius

Sacrifice one for the good of the thousands...

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Speed Bike Pro
 

DIE XHIN

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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Back to the old ways, eh? Take down Xhin in the first couple of rounds?

I tried to log on here to post last night but the login feature wasn't working right on my phone -- when I'd try to log in, it would put me back on the main page and the three icons to the far right would not show up. The one time they did, I clicked on the sword and it was full of MySQL messages...

That said, I'd cast a vote, but it looks like y'all are pretty dead set on who actually needs to vote.

March 24, 2013
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Black Yoshi

Anyone that takes the time to make 2 long drawn out post like that and then points the finger at someone with nothing to go on but, yes, nothing to go on, has to be guilty of something.

Like taking the attention away from themselves.

You guy's do what you want, but I've seen that bill of goods being sold around this game before.

March 24, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

and I'm sure if he is a townie, he won't mind.


So you're saying if you were a townie (and I underscore the word if), you wouldn't mind if someone voted you out.

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chiefsonny
 

Castrael
Speed Bike Pro
Hindenburg
MajorasMask9
Helius
white lancer

So not only are you picking who we should vote for, by being the first one to vote for Xhin, but also who should vote.(facepalm)

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chiefsonny
 

Chief, I've been voted out for less. The posts make sense. I know they are long and drawn out, but with the sensor being left... this is the only reasonable course of action. It's not like the Mafia is just going to give themselves up. Besides, the Aliens are just going to keep probing. Hopefully, whoever the UFO Hunter will have results soon enough.

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Helius

Somebody's got to take charge and help the Town figure out what we're doing--otherwise we'll just wind up sitting here twiddling our thumbs while the Mafia and Aliens get closer to winning. If that makes me a target (either for the Town or the Mafia), then so be it.

I will note that going after Xhin wasn't my idea originally (Helius suggested targeting our least active player), nor was the list based solely on my own ideas (Speed and Hindenburg are there because other people found them suspicious, I'm on there because people find me suspicious, several people were suspicious of Castrael). We can discuss who votes and who doesn't vote if you want--it's not all my decision. I just think this is the best way to go about things.

March 24, 2013
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white lancer

Chief, I've been voted out for less


But I bet it wasn't on the first or second day of every game you played in like Xhin has, well almost every one.

The posts make sense


I don't agree. Still sounds like a Mafia or Alien pointing fingers. But time will tell.

And even if that's true. Why Xhin. Why not hezy. He's made one post in almost 2 rounds.

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chiefsonny
 

Helius suggested targeting our least active player


Xhin posted at least once more then hezy, and hezy has never been voted off the first part of the game as many times as Xhin has. Nobody has.

So this is your's and Helius plan.

Sure gives me somthing to think about.

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chiefsonny
 

But I bet it wasn't on the first or second day of every game you played in like Xhin has, well almost every one.


So you're saying that because he gets voted out every time he plays we should just give him a free pass? Why aren't you sticking your own neck out on the line, Chief?

Sure gives me somthing to think about.


Me too.

March 24, 2013
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Helius

So this is your's and Helius plan.

Sure gives me somthing to think about.

That's why I suggested the two of us be among the people casting votes. If we were Mafia together, we'd be in some trouble once the Sensor results came out. ;)

Xhin posted at least once more then hezy, and hezy has never been voted off the first part of the game as many times as Xhin has. Nobody has.

This...is actually a good point. I didn't realize that hezy hadn't said anything this round either, but it's true. I doubt he's silenced for the same reasons Redack outlined last round (plus I'm still convinced Roxas was silenced)...hrm. I'd be willing to swap my vote to hezekiah, actually, if people would rather we do that.

March 24, 2013
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white lancer

I just want to reach a majority vote so we can advance to the next day PLEASE

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Xhin and hezy would be equal options in my mind, although hezy is almost always this inactive early on and participates more later- Xhin, on the other hand, is totally unpredictable. It's also probably true that Roxas was silenced because he's usually a fairly frequent poster.

March 24, 2013
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White Thunder

Let's just murder someone in cold blood and get this business over with, shall we? The gods must be appeased somehow.

March 24, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Here's the one thing that bothered me the most about your plan.

Somebody's got to take charge and help the Town figure out what we're doing


Now depending on what role a person has, that would be a great plan. If a person is Mafia or Alien what better way then to take charge and get the townies to follow your lead. Like 3 of them just did.

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chiefsonny
 

I just want to reach a majority vote so we can advance to the next day PLEASE


Majority won't do it the way Dooku set it up:

If 12 votes are reached before the end of the original 24 hours, but votes are then changed, the town must confirm their choice by reaching 12 votes for the same option


Need 12 the way it's written.

March 24, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

Not silenced today either. Like I said last round, I'm out of town this weekend with internet only on my phone, and only for certain portions of the drive.

I see no reason to target Xhin this early due to inactivity, but at the same time better him than me. I'm most wary of Hindenburg's chaotic persona, it's as if he is simply trying to distract us from the task at hand. It's difficult for me to keep track of who says what while on my phone, but he's been a person I've taken note of.

I did simply miss that we had the Sensor available, again due to bring on my cell. I was the Silencer the first time through this game, but am not mafia (or alien) this second time around.

March 24, 2013
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hezekiah

Ok, after catching up on this round, I have one big concern because it seems there is a very crucial detail everyone is ignoring. The aliens are not a threat to the Mafia any more than the townies are. The Mafia have zero incentive to go after aliens instead of townies. Ergo, they have no reason to help the town with any alien detection strategy, and they'd have no qualms about assassinating the UFO Hunter for their extra kill when they get the chance. For this reason, I am incredibly suspicious of Majora for some of the things he has suggested.

Also, anyone else find it weird how Speed and Hindenburg's replies are often very close to each other, sometimes within seconds of each other? It didn't just happen once or twice - it has been a noticeable pattern.

Helius is always shifty. He play mind games, and shouldn't be trusted; however, if you look at what he has been doing... he's playing the game.


Um... why are you referring to yourself in the third person? {:P}

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Jo Nathan

Also, anyone else find it weird how Speed and Hindenburg's replies are often very close to each other, sometimes within seconds of each other? It didn't just happen once or twice - it has been a noticeable pattern.

Lol. Don't worry, Hindy and I sure noticed!

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Speed Bike Pro
 

For this reason, I am incredibly suspicious of Majora for some of the things he has suggested.

Glad I'm not the only one. He's still top of my list, just because I feel like he's usually more on top of things like this. That's why I wanted him to be included in the Sensor results (and why I voted for him before).

March 25, 2013
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white lancer

Third person seemed to be the thing to do... {:P}

March 25, 2013
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Helius



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MajorasMask9

Ah, Majora! I was just about to say something about you! {:P}

After sleeping on it, I decided it would probably be a mistake going after you because my first impressions are always wrong. I just hope I'm not making a mistake...

March 25, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Oh, and:

March 25, 2013
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Jo Nathan

The aliens are not a threat to the Mafia any more than the townies are. The Mafia have zero incentive to go after aliens instead of townies. Ergo, they have no reason to help the town with any alien detection strategy, and they'd have no qualms about assassinating the UFO Hunter for their extra kill when they get the chance. For this reason, I am incredibly suspicious of Majora for some of the things he has suggested.


While I'll openly admit to misreading the win requirements for the mafia (I thought they needed the aliens dead to win, similar to the town), I fail to see why coming up with an idea that wouldn't help the mafia would make you think of me as suspicious. If anything--while the actual idea was more of a "joke" seeing as I didn't assume anyone would want to waste several day rounds by doing nothing--it would have only helped the town in the long run.

Suppose the mafia did go along with it (they wouldn't since it doesn't help their cause, but for argument's sake, they did). We'd "ideally" have no deaths until the UFO Hunter revealed the aliens. What would happen next? We'd have three lynch targets in a row. Lynch targets would mean sensor results without worrying about who is or isn't an alien, and with three in a row, if the sensor never got targeted by the mafia, we'd have a pretty good idea of who the mafia were.

AS I SAID, that isn't going to happen because of the mafia's win condition not including killing the aliens, but I don't think coming up with such an idea makes me seem suspicious, especially if it would ultimately get ignored. Usually people find others suspicious when they come up with ideas that would help the mafia and not the town, but it seems like you're just grasping with that one.

March 25, 2013
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MajorasMask9

I must say, I don't think you'd have misinterpreted the win conditions of the Mafia if you were Mafia. And I doubt you'd pretend to misinterpret them and risk making yourself a target like that.

March 25, 2013
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Jo Nathan

I've been away for a bit, mostly checking the site for stuff in the mod forum when I briefly got on. I have been watching this thread, just too much to respond to all at once. I'll be back in a few hours to put some ideas out there.

March 25, 2013
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Trever Leingod

Well, we have about 6 hours left...

March 25, 2013
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Helius

Something seems very off to me..... I'll have to go back and review this very long thread one more time.

March 25, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Something is very fishy indeed... Probably the fact that it's been day two for nearly 3 IRL days.

March 25, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

This round will go a little over, as I'm heading off to school.

Roughly 4 hours left to get your votes in.

March 25, 2013
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Count Dooku

Okay, my thoughts on the round thus far:

white lancer, I highly suspect, is an alien. He's very experienced at being a leader for the townies, who ordinarily have nothing to do but eliminate the Mafia. This time, that's the aliens' goal - get rid of the Mafia and nothing else. He doesn't seem very worried about the aliens at all, he seems fully focused on getting the Mafia and really only seemed to mention getting the aliens when it appeared he was being too aggressive against the Mafia. I understand the need to kill off the Mafia, but we do need to finish off the aliens first. I'm not pulling out my pitchfork or tightening the noose, but I am fairly suspicious of white lancer. He seems too willingly to lynch random people as well, just based off their activity level. Yet he's worried about losing people at night to the Mafia while we lynch no one? We could end up lynching the Sensor or UFO hunter in the process. I very highly doubt he is Mafia though - if he is, he's pulling off an excellent cover by going full out with the Sensor strategy. It would be pretty smooth to have all these people specifically vote for a kill, and if a guilty person is among them, the last person you would suspect would be the guy who suggested to use the Sensor in the first place.

MajorasMask9 - potentially Mafia. He's very focused on getting the aliens and just them, but then we do need to kill them first. It's just that he seems too eager to let the town do nothing to find the Mafia while the UFO hunter seeks out the aliens. I really doubt the UFO hunter is going to be lucky enough to find all the aliens any time soon. It could be that he is just worried about the aliens taking a backseat in priority.

Really, these two are completely opposed in their approaches.

Helius seems to be taking a more reasonable approach against both the Mafia and the aliens at the same time. He's currently focused on the Sensor results, but only because it gets multiple results at once. He's playing similar to white lancer only in a less suspicious manner.

Also, to hopefully clear up somethings about MM9, I want to ask Count Dooku something:

Is there any reason the Mafia would want to prioritize killing aliens? For instance, does anything "interesting" happen if a Mafia member gets probed? I rather doubt that's the case since the aliens are scared of the Mafia but it may help to work things out if this is clarified.

March 25, 2013
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Trever Leingod

Is there any reason the Mafia would want to prioritize killing aliens? For instance, does anything "interesting" happen if a Mafia member gets probed? I rather doubt that's the case since the aliens are scared of the Mafia but it may help to work things out if this is clarified.


No. It was me misreading the win condition for the Mafia (I assumed that if the mafia outnumbered the town while aliens were still alive, that the aliens would win, similar to the town's win condition). Since the "interesting" thing is only written as happening when the UFO Hunter is probed, it's safe to say it won't happen to any member of the mafia.

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MajorasMask9

Ok, after reviewing this thread again, I have some concerns.

Historically, voting off inactive players is a cheap way for the Mafia to reduce the ratio. Regardless of what kind of justification is eloquently presented, it really seems to me that this is what's happening with Xhin.

What also strikes me as odd is how, after lancer took the lead in voting for Xhin, fifteen minutes later we get Helius, Speed and Hindenburg all voting for him within a two-minute timeframe. It almost seems coordinated, and it would be plausible for new players to not consider this kind of slip-up. Then again, they would be committing suicide if they're all guilty because of the sensor...

At any rate, I really suspect that lancer is Mafia - heck, with all his suggestions for how to use the sensor, it wouldn't surprise me if he turns out to be the Godfather, doing everything he can to get in good with the town while knowing that he's safe from the very strategies he's proposing.

Gosh darn it, why did the best town role have to be assigned to the player who was going to be killed in the first night? This game is going to be tough as nails...

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Jo Nathan

What also strikes me as odd is how, after lancer took the lead in voting for Xhin, fifteen minutes later we get Helius, Speed and Hindenburg all voting for him within a two-minute timeframe. It almost seems coordinated, and it would be plausible for new players to not consider this kind of slip-up. Then again, they would be committing suicide if they're all guilty because of the sensor...


Normally I'd agree this is suspicious but it's obvious that SBP and Heisenberg are pretty intimate. If even one of them had the idea to vote for someone I assume the other would follow suit regardless.

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MajorasMask9

After sleeping on it, I decided it would probably be a mistake going after you because my first impressions are always wrong. I just hope I'm not making a mistake...

The fact that you suspected him is a sure sign that he's innocent {:P} joking of course.

I don't know what to make of the situation here. JN makes a good point about inactive players being voted off, but at least we'll get Sensor results from it. lancer isn't really playing any differently than he normally does, but the presence of aliens really throws everything off. I don't think he's mafia but there is a possibility he's an alien.

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White Thunder

What also strikes me as odd is how, after lancer took the lead in voting for Xhin, fifteen minutes later we get Helius, Speed and Hindenburg all voting for him within a two-minute timeframe. It almost seems coordinated, and it would be plausible for new players to not consider this kind of slip-up. Then again, they would be committing suicide if they're all guilty because of the sensor...

To address the phenomena that some people have noticed of Hindenburg and myself posting so close to each other, we are often communicating with each other in a chat and stuff like GTX0 is often the topic at hand. If someone points out a Mafia update, we are both likely to reply around the same time. It is not a conspiracy and I don't even see what that would go to show.

As for voting for Xhin, I followed that lead because white lancer's or whoever's idea seems good enough to me. Let's use this one relatively inactive guy (Xhin) as a guinea pig so people can vote and the Sensor will get his information. I dunno, I'm new to this so I'm not exactly a master strategist but this plan seems much more efficient than "that guy is acting kinda weird let's kill him". If white lancer is actually mafia, then I guess this is all null and void maybe but the idea seems solid enough to me. We need to get as much information as possible in as short a time frame as possible.

Regardless, I am ready to vote so my innocence may be proven by the Sensor.

Also, any replies besides Hindenburg's (due to the aforementioned constant communication) that happen to come at the same time as mine are purely coincidence.

March 25, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Thanks for the clarification, Speed. That's good enough for me.

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Jo Nathan

Historically, voting off inactive players is a cheap way for the Mafia to reduce the ratio. Regardless of what kind of justification is eloquently presented, it really seems to me that this is what's happening with Xhin.

I agree. I actually did something similar with you when we were Mafia in Roxas' game - we voted off Serpe in "hopes" he was Mafia and led the town to do the same {:P}

This is why I am against this, taking out Xhin to use as a guinea pig. If there's a good reason to suspect someone, fine - lynch them in hopes that they are Mafia or alien, but voting off a non-suspicious player for inactivity? Bad move. Most especially if you are worried about giving the Mafia an advantage by doing nothing while waiting on the UFO hunter. Instead of losing three innocents in three nights, you potentially lose six over three rounds just to get "Sensor" results. We could end up losing the Sensor in the process, or we cause him to step forward to prevent dying as a lynch victim before he gets any/many results, then he dies to the Mafia in the night.

March 25, 2013
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Trever Leingod

Well, as I see it... the Mafia are still willing to pick us off one by one. We're wasting time hoping that the UFO Hunter gets results. It's better to get some sensor data and then stop lynching...

Yes, the Aliens have to die first, but at least this way... we have something which is better than nothing.

If the UFO Hunter gets picked off, we're pretty well screwed because there is a zero percent chance that the town will figure out the Aliens (sorry fellow Townies) but it's the truth.

As far as posting right after Lancer, I've been off the last several days from school, work, internship so I really haven't had much to do... so I keep track of the Mafia game.

It's not a bad move to lynch a non-suspicious player for inactivity as long as we get Sensor results. In previous games with the Sensor, we did just this as a Town. I find it amazing that there are people who are denying this strategy considering the advantage of the Sensor results we could possibly get.

Is there a chance that we could hit the Sensor? Yes. But if they are inactive, they aren't doing us much good, are they? We're basically twiddling our thumbs for no good reason.

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Helius

It's not a bad move to lynch a non-suspicious player for inactivity as long as we get Sensor results.


I can see where you're coming from. But the way I see it, wouldn't it be better to vote for a suspicious player and still get sensor results?

March 25, 2013
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Jo Nathan

It's not a bad move to lynch a non-suspicious player for inactivity as long as we get Sensor results. In previous games with the Sensor, we did just this as a Town. I find it amazing that there are people who are denying this strategy considering the advantage of the Sensor results we could possibly get.

I am not denying the advantage of it, but I am not overlooking the flaws in it either.

March 25, 2013
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Trever Leingod

If we lynch a suspicious guy, we are risking killing an innocent. If we lynch an absent guy, we aren't really losing anything since he wasn't going to do anything anyway.

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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

If either white lancer or Helius read this before the round ends (not SPB or Heisenberg): I feel you should take your vote off of Xhin. You'll agree that, if you're town-sided, this will certainly help narrow down any guilty parties in the sensor results. The sensor will then get the results for myself, SBP, and Heisenberg. Having the sensor starting out with such a small group of people and building upon it seems far more effective in the long run than clomping a bunch of suspicious faces into the mix and hoping all or none of them are mafia.

March 25, 2013
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MajorasMask9

err, woah, I didn't mean to change that!

March 25, 2013
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MajorasMask9

If we lynch a suspicious guy, we are risking killing an innocent. If we lynch an absent guy, we aren't really losing anything since he wasn't going to do anything anyway.

That's completely messed up logic. It's better to take a shot at someone who might be guilty rather than someone you're almost certain is innocent.

March 25, 2013
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Trever Leingod

That's completely messed up logic. It's better to take a shot at someone who might be guilty rather than someone you're almost certain is innocent.


We're certain Xhin is innocent?

March 25, 2013
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MajorasMask9

We're certain Xhin is innocent?

"Almost" certain. He's said nothing to earn suspicion. Doesn't necessarily guarantee anything, but I have never been one for killing people randomly or based on inactivity. Even if he ends up being fairly inactive, he's still one more player that could be innocent. In the game Jo and I were Mafia together, FAW was inactive most of the game but turned out to be the FBI agent. In the end, she started to post again and she ended up arresting Ctr Black and as a result helped the town to win. Inactivity is not the best reason to lynch someone. If Xhin ends up being the Sensor, you'll all end up feeling pretty stupid.

Anyway, that's all I am going to say today. I advise caution in random lynching and I'm going to stay with that mentality.

March 25, 2013
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Trever Leingod

I agree with Majora's strategy for optimizing the sensor results. Helius and/or lancer have less than an hour to act on it though.

March 25, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Well, if they don't, I'm most likely going to switch my vote. Would rather get myself, Speed, and Heisenberg on the sensor results than lancer and Helius, though.

March 25, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Yeah.

March 25, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Oooookkk... I get the gist.

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Helius

That is what we wanted correct? (:|)

March 25, 2013
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Helius

If we wanted to get results from the Sensor but NOT vote off an innocent player...

then why didn't the people on that small list just vote "No Kill"?

I agree that we shouldn't lynch someone just for inactivity because that is an extra number (that is if they are part of the town).

Then again, if we don't vote we risk just getting picked off... meh D:

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Female Alpha Wolf

Just like I don't think the people that voted for Xhin have enough evidence to lynch him, I don't have enough to go on yet to lynch white lancer.

I have a not of concerns about a plan that would be a great plan for the Godfather, but I still need a little more before I vote to lynch him.

March 25, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

@FAW: Sensor doesn't get results if we no-kill.

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MajorasMask9

The round is over, and Xhin has the most options at 4. Helius' vote change comes in after the deadline.

March 25, 2013
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Count Dooku

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