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day 3 i sense a disturbance in the force

Posted March 26, 2013 by Count Dooku

During the night, White Lancer studied a list of those who had voted to lynch the Alien known as Xhin. He stared at each name, waiting for his gift to indicate their Innocence or Guilty.

But before he could get a reading, White Lancer had a realization of a different sort.

He was going to die.

A single round from the Mafioso's sniper rifle made it so.

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Player List:

1. Xhin - Alien - DEAD
2. Chiefsonny
3. Redack - Skeptical Sheriff - DEAD
4. Hezekiah
5. Vandy
6. Black Yoshi
7. Helius
8. Trever Leingod
9. White Thunder
10. `Roxas`
11. white lancer - Sensor - Dead
12. Jo Nathan
13. MajorasMask9
14. Female Alpha Wolf
15. Frustro
16. Castrael
17. Speed Bike Pro
18. Hindenburg

Town - Mafia - Alien Ratio:

9 - 4 - 2

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Round End Conditions (Clarification):

TO PREMATURELY END THE ROUND:

Day 3 will end when 24 hours have passed AND a minimum vote threshold of 10 (2/3 of 15 players) has been reached.

If 10 votes are reached before the end of the original 24 hours, but votes are then changed, the town must confirm their choice by reaching 10 votes for the same option again. ((Basically, if you reach 10 votes during the first 24 hours just don't change your vote!))

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Otherwise:

Once 72 hours elapses, the option with the most votes is carried out.

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Of course when I can talk again, I'm about to leave for work. (facepalm)

Will respond to replies when I get home this evening. I will also answer your questions, Frustro.

March 26, 2013
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`Roxas`

Um..... I got a theory on something just now.

March 26, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Okay, didn't see that coming. Obviously the Mafia saw something that my untrained mind did not. Makes me extremely suspicious of Majora right about now, considering that he's such a stellar player and among the best of our bunch at finding those subtle clues to people's roles.

March 26, 2013
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Black Yoshi

Wow... that was completely the opposite of what I thought was going to happen.

I really thought white lancer was an alien, and Xhin was possibly the Sensor and we were going to get screwed by killing him to GET results for the Sensor. I can see now why white lancer wasn't afraid of that at all (it explains his confidence in lynching randomly now).

The irony of this boggles my mind... It was like I had some real intuition going on only it was reversed.

The Mafia are having ridiculous luck this game as well. They either somehow saw through Redack's and white lancer's masks, or they just wanted to take out their most dangerous threats (strategy-wise) and ended up being even more rewarded by taking down two of the town's most dangerous roles at the same time.

Um..... I got a theory on something just now.

Care to share those thoughts? Apparently your theory is something on Roxas.

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Trever Leingod

Makes me extremely suspicious of Majora right about now, considering that he's such a stellar player and among the best of our bunch at finding those subtle clues to people's roles.

Looking back now, I can see a lot of allusions to white lancer being the Sensor. He was heavily relying on the role like he had absolute faith in the strategy and the results no matter who we lynched - but at the same time he was being so adamant to rally the Sensor into action, you would never think HE was the Sensor. I agree that Majora would be more likely to pick up on this before the rest of us did.

March 26, 2013
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Trever Leingod

I am under the impression Roxas posted something that was meant for one of the private threads.

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Jo Nathan

I am under the impression Roxas posted something that was meant for one of the private threads.


Do you mean...

Of course when I can talk again, I'm about to leave for work.

Will respond to replies when I get home this evening. I will also answer your questions, Frustro.


That? Because I doubt that refers to anything private... He was referencing that the fact he was silenced (as was suspected yesterday). The Frustro mention was probably in response to this post from Frustro last day round:

I'd like to hear from Roxas this round, if he hasn't been silenced (it's either him or Xhin). Some of the things he was saying on Day 1 was leaving me a bit iffy.


If you meant something else from Day 1 though, please clarify for us. With the cop and sensor gone, we only have evidence to work with in regards to taking down the Mafia and every little bit helps.

March 26, 2013
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Trever Leingod

Ok that makes sense. Sorry for the confusion! Gosh, I'm dumb...

March 26, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Lol. Two days and our sheriff and sensor are already gone.

So, uhh.... wat do we do now

March 26, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

And unfortunately I have little to go by. I knew something was up with lancer but I had him completely wrong, and now our last anti-Mafia role is gone.

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Jo Nathan

And unfortunately I have little to go by. I knew something was up with lancer but I had him completely wrong, and now our last anti-Mafia role is gone.

Yeah we're between a rock and a hard place :/ As of now we need to start some digging. I am going back to look at the last two days, and I'll look at Roxas at Day 1 to try and get a head start on what Frustro was on to.

March 26, 2013
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Trever Leingod

redonkulously
More like REDACKulously

I agree with what's been said as far as the Town and Mafia having a common enemy and should work together, though I doubt either side will hold up their end of the bargain before taking out the Aliens.


I'm not too suspicious of anybody at this point in time, though I am curious as to what Jo's thinking is.


Yeah, I noticed Frustro too. It's not like him to be so weird on the first day.


I think the only thing that's not allowed the first night is a kill of any kind.

That is correct, chief.


That’s really all Roxas said on Day 1. Nothing all that suspect.

Majora’s Day 1 posts:

Seeing as the town and the mafia both have a mutual enemy this game, I propose the members of the mafia roleclaim so we can rule them out as aliens.

Godfather? Assassin? Silencer? Mafioso? Anyoooone?


Maybe I'd be mafia if <i>someone</i> didn't have to get left off the player list. We had this real comfy couch and everything. It was amazing.

But I've given up my life of crime since then!


Ha, he said comfy couch {:P} He does seem to be pushing the issue of “moving on” a bit too thick? I dunno.

Xhin's the doctor?

Better lynch him.


An alien doctor…. We lynched Doctor Who {:(} lol

I actually once wanted to host a game where everyone was a townie and it only ended when they figured out everyone was innocent. There are obviously too many problems with that for it to work though :(.



That's one of my problems with the use of "Hammer Voting" that Yeano never really addressed whenever I mentioned it. The way we've been playing mafia on gtx0 since it started was that once a vote option hits the 2/3 mark, the round "ended" and any votes cast after that point weren't counted.

On another site that played a lot of mafia games (which pretty much influenced Yeano to bring it to gtx0), the rounds ended at the discretion of the host. In that sense, Hammer Voting actually served a purpose. When Hammer Voting was on over there, instead of the round ending "when the host felt like nothing would change", it ended the second the vote count reached a majority decision. Since Yeano never used that method of hosting, and instead implemented a strict 2/3 vote rule (which is essentially Hammer Voting but with 2/3 majority needed to end the round rather than a 1/2 majority), Hammer Voting has been one of the most completely useless optional rules in gtx0 mafia. Vote Locking is still effective, however, but we've rarely used it.

What Dooku's doing this round is basically how I've felt mafia games should be hosted. If we ignore the 2/3 majority for lynching and instead leave it to the host's discretion when the round ends, we'd get rid of the occasional problem of rounds ending too quickly, as well as possible problems where the mafia can easily overpower the town before the town can react.

I know now isn't the best time to be ranting about mafia gameplay mechanics but this has been bothering me for a while now, and it seemed like a perfect opportunity to illustrate the issue I have with the way rounds are ended. Perhaps we could discuss it more when the current game has ended :).


I agree that it's most likely Lancer that was silenced. Castrael not posting is a bit odd. I doubt either of them would have any reason to fake being silenced or anything. Has Castrael even been online since the game started?


That’s all for Day 1 on Majora. I’m getting to Day 2, brb.

March 26, 2013
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Trever Leingod

If necessary, I have learned some pretty foolproof interrogation techniques from watching the new Batman trilogy.

March 26, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Majora’s comments on Day 2 (some inconsequential posts are excluded such as the reference to making the post the main thread, really short “Yeah” posts, etc)


Maybe the mafia would consider not killing anyone while the UFO Hunter does their job and finds the aliens (win-win for them and the town, now that the cop is dead!).

Otherwise the UFO Hunter will probably die before they can get their results out.


That’s the second time he mentioned a town/Mafia alliance.


You said I was quiet last game, lancer, and I was just as quiet as I was now (ie I think I've said more than my average reply count in a lot of other games)!

It's still early in the game with little to discuss. As I said earlier I'd prefer to have the town and mafia wait it out while the UFO Hunter finds the aliens so we don't have to worry about that. The mafia would have nothing to worry about since we wouldn't get sensor results or cop results. The downside to this is that it would take a lot of turns where ideally nothing happens.


As I said, this is assuming the mafia are willing to go along with it and not kill anyone. That would be in no way making it easier for the mafia to win, only harder for the aliens to win.



While I'll openly admit to misreading the win requirements for the mafia (I thought they needed the aliens dead to win, similar to the town), I fail to see why coming up with an idea that wouldn't help the mafia would make you think of me as suspicious. If anything--while the actual idea was more of a "joke" seeing as I didn't assume anyone would want to waste several day rounds by doing nothing--it would have only helped the town in the long run.

Suppose the mafia did go along with it (they wouldn't since it doesn't help their cause, but for argument's sake, they did). We'd "ideally" have no deaths until the UFO Hunter revealed the aliens. What would happen next? We'd have three lynch targets in a row. Lynch targets would mean sensor results without worrying about who is or isn't an alien, and with three in a row, if the sensor never got targeted by the mafia, we'd have a pretty good idea of who the mafia were.

AS I SAID, that isn't going to happen because of the mafia's win condition not including killing the aliens, but I don't think coming up with such an idea makes me seem suspicious, especially if it would ultimately get ignored. Usually people find others suspicious when they come up with ideas that would help the mafia and not the town, but it seems like you're just grasping with that one.


No. It was me misreading the win condition for the Mafia (I assumed that if the mafia outnumbered the town while aliens were still alive, that the aliens would win, similar to the town's win condition). Since the "interesting" thing is only written as happening when the UFO Hunter is probed, it's safe to say it won't happen to any member of the mafia.


Normally I'd agree this is suspicious but it's obvious that SBP and Heisenberg are pretty intimate. If even one of them had the idea to vote for someone I assume the other would follow suit regardless.


If either white lancer or Helius read this before the round ends (not SPB or Heisenberg): I feel you should take your vote off of Xhin. You'll agree that, if you're town-sided, this will certainly help narrow down any guilty parties in the sensor results. The sensor will then get the results for myself, SBP, and Heisenberg. Having the sensor starting out with such a small group of people and building upon it seems far more effective in the long run than clomping a bunch of suspicious faces into the mix and hoping all or none of them are mafia.


We're certain Xhin is innocent?


My conclusion: He’s town-sided. He is known for a clever shifty player, but he was willing to vote off Xhin who was an alien (and he would have known that if he was an alien), and he was willing to leave himself on the Sensor’s list, and I doubt a Mafioso would want himself on a list of four people for the Sensor when there was a good deal of suspicion on him.

Unless he actually did pick up that white lancer was the Sensor early on. In which case, he knew the sensor would be dead and it wouldn’t be an issue.

But I am fairly certain the Mafia have made their kills on the biggest, most dangerous talkers – both past day rounds, it was Redack and white lancer that were leading the town. The fact they were two of our power roles was just good luck on their part.

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Trever Leingod

Then again, you have to remember that Majora is one of the best players we know in our bunch -- a couple of games ago he managed to convince the town (including Lancer) that he was on their side, and we all bought it...right up until he admitted to being the last Mafioso. He could easily be doing that here as well.

March 26, 2013
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Black Yoshi

So basically, we're fucked. Yippee ki-yay.

March 26, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Well, that sucks!

Just letting you guys know; i am having sinus related pain so I wont be posting much. Ear ache, jaw pain, headaches... oh lordy.

Didnt sleep well either ><

March 26, 2013
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Castrael

The hot rag worked for the most part. I'll try to post much.

So, what do you guys think should happen?

March 26, 2013
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Castrael

So, what do you guys think should happen?

The Mafia and the aliens die? {troll}

But seriously, who else is there to suspect? We can't just stand by now, we have to use our detective skills or just stand by and be slaughtered.

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Trever Leingod

Guess it's time to start blindly accusing people.

I saw MM sneaking out of chiefsonny's bedroom last night. Both are mafia. Both must die.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Sinus related pain, huh...? Not adapting well to the human biosuit, huh? Or maybe you are a member of the Mafia with a sinus infection. Either way, you are 100% guilty in my book.

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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

I'm going to withhold my vote, but something about chief's behavior last round that I noticed was how he pushed hard to keep Xhin alive.

I would like to point out that this wouldn't be the first time that the two were teamed together where Xhin was quiet and chief was the more outspoken one (the game where they were the Lovers, if I recall correctly).

Now, I'm not necessarily saying that chief and Xhin were in coordination with each other, which in this case would pin chief as an Alien, but it is eerily familiar in the way things played out.

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`Roxas`

I saw MM sneaking out of chiefsonny's bedroom last night. Both are mafia. Both must die.

I would be more inclined to think chiefsonny is an alien. He came out defending Xhin pretty strongly yesterday and tried to redirect the lynch to hezekiah. I also didn't think it was a good idea to lynch Xhin, but mostly I am against the idea of random lynching - because there was no suspicion surrounding Xhin, he was merely being used as a guinea for his inactivity.

And I stick to that belief, most especially now that the Sensor is gone. Xhin turning out to be an alien was luck. If we blindly start lynching people, there's a greater chance of hitting one of our own. It's best to look at people closely and try deduce their alignment. The town has won games without the cop or sensor and they can do so again, if they follow their reasoning rather than panicking.

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Trever Leingod

Though, and I do admit, it could be chief genuinely didn't want to kill somebody who was relatively inactive in the game and purely coincidental that Xhin ended up being an Alien.

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`Roxas`

Though, and I do admit, it could be chief genuinely didn't want to kill somebody who was relatively inactive in the game and purely coincidental that Xhin ended up being an Alien.

I would agree that was case, in a similar manner how I didn't want randoms to die for inactivity, but chiefsonny seemingly tried to redirect the lynch at hezekiah for being inactive instead. That's what caught my attention.

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Trever Leingod

Then again, you have to remember that Majora is one of the best players we know in our bunch -- a couple of games ago he managed to convince the town (including Lancer) that he was on their side, and we all bought it...right up until he admitted to being the last Mafioso. He could easily be doing that here as well.


If I was mafia, and for whatever reason felt white lancer was the sensor and should be killed, wouldn't it make more sense for me to have had the Assassin kill him and then target someone else? I don't think the mafia had any idea that white lancer was the sensor, and instead just had a lucky guess.

That said, I also find it interesting that they did target white lancer if they weren't absolutely certain he was the Sensor. This could almost indirectly point to Helius, Speed, and Hindenburg being innocent. If there were any mafia members in the group of four that voted last day round, you can bet that the mafia would not kill an innocent player from the already small group. For example, suppose Helius was mafia. The sensor would get the results: "1/4 of Helius, white lancer, Hindenberg, and SPB are guilty". By killing white lancer, the mafia essentially turned the "1/4" into a "1/3", and if the sensor ever revealed this, they'd be in a lot more trouble than had they left white lancer alive.

Additionally, I get the eerie feeling that the mafia are trying to go the "Majora's a good player why is he not dead or silenced yet" route. This could just be my paranoia speaking, but it did set off some bells when Black Yoshi in particular tried to place a heavy emphasis on how I'm a good player. Could be nothing though.

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MajorasMask9

but chiefsonny seemingly tried to redirect the lynch at hezekiah for being inactive instead. That's what caught my attention.


Well let this catch your attention:

chiefsonny tied to stop the votes on Xhin for one reason. I was really tired of everyone thinking oit was funny and cool to vote he off 1st or 2nd every game. It got to be a joke that was not funny anymore and was getting old. Put yourself in his shoes.

As far as the hezy thing goes, someone brought up inactivity, I don't remember who and at this point even care who, so I brought it up that hezy had posted less then Xhin.

As far as I'm concerned Xhin should not be dead, but that's over and done with and I'm done beating that dead horse. His death was good for the town but wrong imo.

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chiefsonny
 

If I was mafia, and for whatever reason felt white lancer was the sensor and should be killed, wouldn't it make more sense for me to have had the Assassin kill him and then target someone else? I don't think the mafia had any idea that white lancer was the sensor, and instead just had a lucky guess.

The person could have been just partially sure, but not willing to bet their life on it. But I believe you, I don't think you are Mafia.

I was really tired of everyone thinking oit was funny and cool to vote he off 1st or 2nd every game. It got to be a joke that was not funny anymore and was getting old. Put yourself in his shoes.

If that was truly your reason, I can understand and respect that. I personally think it is rubbish people like to vote him off/use him as a guinea pig just for inactivity. We all know the guy is super busy with life and then making coding for the revamp, no need to take advantage of that.

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Trever Leingod

a couple of games ago he managed to convince the town (including Lancer) that he was on their side, and we all bought it


And that's what makes him imo one of the best if not the best at the gtx0 Mafia game. He knows how to play the role. I love it when I'm on the same team.

And my gut tells me he's townie. If I thought otherwise I would be the first one trying to get him off.

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chiefsonny
 

If I was mafia, and for whatever reason felt white lancer was the sensor and should be killed, wouldn't it make more sense for me to have had the Assassin kill him and then target someone else? I don't think the mafia had any idea that white lancer was the sensor, and instead just had a lucky guess.


While that does make sense, if the Assassin didn't want to take that risk of exposing himself (or herself), then that person would be much better off just going with using the Mafia kill on a player.

That said, I also find it interesting that they did target white lancer if they weren't absolutely certain he was the Sensor. This could almost indirectly point to Helius, Speed, and Hindenburg being innocent. If there were any mafia members in the group of four that voted last day round, you can bet that the mafia would not kill an innocent player from the already small group. For example, suppose Helius was mafia. The sensor would get the results: "1/4 of Helius, white lancer, Hindenberg, and SPB are guilty". By killing white lancer, the mafia essentially turned the "1/4" into a "1/3", and if the sensor ever revealed this, they'd be in a lot more trouble than had they left white lancer alive.


You have to admit though, that would be a pretty ingenious way of covering their tracks if they were involved in that group. We won't know, but it may just be taking a shot, no pun intended, at the only person left who had the capabilities to catch them. At the same time, it would drive attention away from themselves by doing so.

I may be reading too much into that, even if the possibility is there. {:?}

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`Roxas`

While that does make sense, if the Assassin didn't want to take that risk of exposing himself (or herself), then that person would be much better off just going with using the Mafia kill on a player.


This is exactly my point in my argument for the innocence of Helius/Speed/Hindenburg. Unless the mafia were certain that white lancer was the Sensor, they'd be extremely reluctant to kill him. If they were that certain, however, it would make more sense to use the Assassin, but they didn't, meaning they weren't certain white lancer was the Sensor. Since they didn't know white lancer was the sensor, the fact that they chose to kill him--or even anyone from that group of four--very highly points toward the rest being innocent.

You have to admit though, that would be a pretty ingenious way of covering their tracks if they were involved in that group. We won't know, but it may just be taking a shot, no pun intended, at the only person left who had the capabilities to catch them. At the same time, it would drive attention away from themselves by doing so.


I'd argue it would be a very stupid way of covering their tracks. If white lancer wasn't the sensor, we could have very easily gotten a sensor roleclaim today or tomorrow, and at that point the mafia would be making themselves stick out even more.

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MajorasMask9

If that was truly your reason


I would have made that argument about Xhin regardless of what role I had or have.

Sometimes standing up and saying something not's right has to be done regardless of how it makes you look in the eyes of other players.

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chiefsonny
 

I'm inclined to think one of them is guilty, but we each have our own way of thinking I guess. Sheer dumb luck or not, we won't know if anybody from that group, aside from lancer, is definitely innocent now.

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`Roxas`

I think it's very unlikely that any of them are aliens since they decided to kill Xhin based on no evidence, and I also think it's very unlikely that they're mafia because of the fact that the mafia killed white lancer.

It is definitely possible that one of them is the Godfather, but I think focusing on them being guilty at the moment is a bad idea. Not that we were initially, but just stating my opinion on them based on the events of last rounds. While it doesn't prove their innocence 100%, it clearly points far away from them being guilty.

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MajorasMask9

Yay!

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Speed Bike Pro
 

I am 100% innocent.

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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

I'm looking at all the options I see before me. It wouldn't be the first time a player has thrown a teammate under the bus to distance themselves from the guilty party. I'm not saying they are guilty, just that the possibility is there.

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`Roxas`

It wouldn't be the first time a player has thrown a teammate under the bus to distance themselves from the guilty party.


Who would be throwing who under the bus in this scenario? The hypothetical mafia member that's in the sensor results, throwing themselves under the bus? Or the rest of the team throwing them under the bus?

Throwing someone under the bus only works if it helps make another person appear innocent. In this case, nobody appears innocent except Helius/Speed/Hindenburg, but they only appear innocent because white lancer was the sensor. In any other situation, if any of them are mafia, this strategy would unnecessarily hurt the mafia.

Pointing out the possibility that they're innocent right now seems pointless, because this is arguably the best piece of information we'll be getting now that the sensor and sheriff are dead, and putting it on the back-burner seems counter-productive.

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MajorasMask9

Pointing out the possibility that they're innocent


guilty*

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MajorasMask9

I would have made that argument about Xhin regardless of what role I had or have.

I suppose that's true, so I hope you'll understand that my suspicion remains.

Since they didn't know white lancer was the sensor, the fact that they chose to kill him--or even anyone from that group of four--very highly points toward the rest being innocent.

I don't see how this logic holds. They could have just killed white lancer merely because he was leading the town and they didn't want that anymore. It doesn't necessarily relate to the Sensor's results at all.

I'm inclined to think one of them is guilty, but we each have our own way of thinking I guess. Sheer dumb luck or not, we won't know if anybody from that group, aside from lancer, is definitely innocent now.

I have no idea about those three, but there is no way I can write anyone else off as innocent except the dearly departed.

I think it's very unlikely that any of them are aliens since they decided to kill Xhin based on no evidence, and I also think it's very unlikely that they're mafia because of the fact that the mafia killed white lancer.

I will agree on them not being aliens, there's just no way they could be unless they just bit the bullet and killed one of their own to make themselves look innocent. Them being Mafia, that's up in the air.

It is definitely possible that one of them is the Godfather, but I think focusing on them being guilty at the moment is a bad idea. Not that we were initially, but just stating my opinion on them based on the events of last rounds. While it doesn't prove their innocence 100%, it clearly points far away from them being guilty.

Fair enough, there is no reason to suspect any of them at this point. They are not on my suspicion list right now, anyway.

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Trever Leingod

My rather weak suspicions remain, but I'll move on through the day.

March 27, 2013
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`Roxas`

I hope the UFO hunter is doing work so we can get this game back in gear at its previous breakneck speed of 2 mph.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

People we still need to hear from today about 11 hours into the round:

Hezekiah
Vandy
Helius
White Thunder
Female Alpha Wolf
Frustro

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Trever Leingod

I don't see how this logic holds. They could have just killed white lancer merely because he was leading the town and they didn't want that anymore. It doesn't necessarily relate to the Sensor's results at all.


If one of Helius/Speed/Hindenburg are mafia, then the mafia killing white lancer would be a risky play for them. Sure, white lancer is a power player, but he was one of the "innocents" that would show up to the sensor. The idea being, that if the sensor were still alive, and any of those three are guilty, the sensor would be looking at just those three, instead of four if lancer was alive. Whoever was mafia among them would be easier to find.

If all of them are innocent, however, then the mafia lose nothing from killing one of them. The sensor would most likely get a result of "All Innocent", or a single guilty verdict if one of them was the outsider. In any case, the mafia wouldn't care less so long as none of their own were in the group that voted for Xhin, so killing white lancer in that situation would have little consequence to them, would get rid of a power player, and even a possible confirmed innocent if the sensor revealed.

As has been pointed out, there are other factors you could consider, but from my past experience in the mafia when the town had a sensor, paying attention to who voted for who--and what the sensor knows--was a huge part of the mafia discussions. I really can't see them voting for lancer unless they knew there was no chance it could hurt them in the long run.

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MajorasMask9

Ah that clears things up! Many thanks, I didn't really get where you were going before.

So I guess the final conclusion comes to this: they either took a major risk going after white lancer in hopes he was the Sensor but not willing to risk their Assassin (maybe the Mafioso was in the Sensor group and they did not want to lose two in quick succession). The hunch that the Mafia just killed him without worrying about the Sensor results is more plausible though.

March 27, 2013
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Trever Leingod

I've been reading along, just not much to offer. I apologize for being a bit disconnected from this game

I've been trying to see if anyone could be tied in with Xhin. I thought I saw something to bring to attention on leingod but then saw something else to make me think otherwise

March 27, 2013
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Vandy

Mmm. This is gonna be tough without our top two power roles. We need to avoid making rash accusations and make sure we think things through or we're just gonna dig ourselves too deeply into this. We got one alien but there's still 2 more and it seems we have no leads on who might be Mafia.

Also I've found in past games that you can't read too deeply into who the Mafia night kills. We can never be sure of their motivation.

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White Thunder

Also, potential Silencer targets for today are FAW and Frustro. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was Frustro.

Although if it is Frustro, it does make me a bit suspicious of Roxas.

March 27, 2013
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MajorasMask9

EDIT: Also hezekiah, but he's been quiet all game.

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MajorasMask9

You missed Helius.

March 27, 2013
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`Roxas`

Out of that group, I would think it's Helius. I dunno about the others since they go to forums I don't regular in, but I have seen Helius posting on the mod forum and JS yesterday. He has yet to post here despite the fact we are about a full 24 hours in.

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Trever Leingod

I don't know about you guys but FAW does appear on Skype every now and then (I feel so unloved! Message me ;_;). For all we know I think she could be one of us (Townie) or Mafia. I'm linging more towards her being Alien but id like her input first.

I'm out helping with my grandma atm. Data charges suck.

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Castrael

I'm linging more towards her being Alien but id like her input first.

Any particular reason to suspect this?

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Trever Leingod

Saw the title of this post and cringed. Then sobbed when opening it.

So to get it out of the way, the reason I was keeping an eye on Roxas was because he was saying how weird it was for me to goof off on the first day when.. that's pretty much what I do every game, and he was totally on board with MM9's plan (however jokingly it was meant to be). But with him being silenced last round, I'm not AS suspicious.

Also, I wouldn't put it past the Aliens if they went along with lynching Xhin simply because he was being inactive. It'd diminish their already few numbers, yes, but solidify their trustworthiness in the long-run. That might just be overthinking it, buuut...

.... and no I'm not silenced, because nobody puts Frussy in the corner.

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Frustro

Also, I wouldn't put it past the Aliens if they went along with lynching Xhin simply because he was being inactive. It'd diminish their already few numbers, yes, but solidify their trustworthiness in the long-run. That might just be overthinking it, buuut...


Well hey, sometimes I overthink it, and other times I think I'm overthinking it when really I'm right on the dot. Am I overthinking this? I dunno. All I know is, there was something about Speed and Hindenburg's eagerness to be checked by the sensor that didn't really sit well with me, so you could be on to something.

Also it's worth noting the Godfather could be included in that theory as well.

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Jo Nathan

On the other hand, I'm willing to attribute some of my suspicion toward Speed and Hindenburg to the fact that they're new and I really don't know what to expect from them yet.

March 27, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Yeah, the biggest problem is that we have nothing to go off of with them. This isn't really out of line with how they normally act so it could mean anything, really.

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White Thunder

The reason why I suspect her is because whenever she's quiet she always ends up being Mafia or a power role. I have yet to her play as a Townie. And my guess: she could very well be a Townie; while keeping rather low with the Aliens on the loose.

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Castrael

Ugh, guess my idea the first day wouldn't have been the worst thing, since we've lost our most important roles. But anyway.

I've still only followed this game on my phone, since Mass Effect is filling most of my evenings. Given the three factions, I don't get the feeling that the aliens would willingly sacrifice one of their own.

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hezekiah

Ugh, guess my idea the first day wouldn't have been the worst thing, since we've lost our most important roles. But anyway.

They would have died then anyway, and we would have lost two people every night with the Assassin out there. Even now, role-claiming remains dangerous while he lives -- sure, we could narrow things down a bit, but the Mafia will be killing us off twice as fast until we lynch the Assassin.

Given the three factions, I don't get the feeling that the aliens would willingly sacrifice one of their own.

It's pretty unlikely but you never know... the Mafia have pushed their own under the bus and the aliens could too.

The reason why I suspect her is because whenever she's quiet she always ends up being Mafia or a power role. I have yet to her play as a Townie. And my guess: she could very well be a Townie; while keeping rather low with the Aliens on the loose.

So basically she's always been pretty quiet in most of our experiences... so that doesn't help much in reading her out. Meh. {:?}

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Trever Leingod

Heh heh....

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Speed Bike Pro
 

If Helius was silenced and not FAW, I'm even more convinced of his innocence, as well as Speed/Hindenburg. I find it incredibly unlikely that the mafia would use both of their actions on two people that would be in the sensor results.

I'll go into who I think isn't innocent in a bit; just got home.

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MajorasMask9

I am serious about Castrael btw. First she has a sinus infection, then she has to go over the river and through the woods to grandma's house. Convenient excuses to not have to say anything without anyone being suspicious, wouldn't you say? Not buyin' it, sister.

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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

I've only been helpful to the Town.

I visit my grandma every weds. She needs me to drive her around places since she can't. I'm trying hard not to use to my phone when I'm not in free wifi zone. Data charges suck.

I did have a sinus infection. Monday night I would wake up during the night to take ibuprofen and finally went to bed after 6a. It's better today, but I'm having a headache still.

Why would I lie about that? That's silly.

I'm also a very quiet/shy person, but can open up to people when I feel comfortable.

If I were Mafia, I'd be attacking people right now, but I haven't done any of that, now have I? I've learned from my mistakes.

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Castrael

*can't see <<

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Castrael

when I'm not in free wifi zone.


I'm in a free wifi zone

I'm still not used to the no edit button ><

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Castrael

Sure, sure... Keep preaching to the choir, lady...

You say if you were Mafia, you'd be attacking people right now, but also that you've learned from your mistakes... So in reality, you are acting perfectly in character if you were a Mafia member. Say hello to Satan for me when you meet him tonight, foul temptress.

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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Annnnnnnnnd now I'm here {:P}
I've been away from the computer for a bit because I had school work to do (I still have two papers to write) and I got an illness straight from Hell for the past two days and now I'm recovering. I've been reading along but I just haven't had any input besides

omg everyone is just getting lucky this game.

March 27, 2013
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Female Alpha Wolf

MM apparently has a 2 hour long response coming up {:P} interested to hear what he has to say, he's usually got pretty good instincts.

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White Thunder

If I were Mafia, I'd be attacking people right now, but I haven't done any of that, now have I? I've learned from my mistakes.


It almost seems like you're saying you're Mafia but you're doing it differently this time... {:P}

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Jo Nathan

It almost seems like you're saying you're Mafia but you're doing it differently this time...


Even when I was a Townie, I made stupid mistakes.

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Castrael

As I've been saying, I think Helius, Speed, and Hindenburg are innocent, and likely aren't even aliens. If we play under that assumption, then half of the other players are innocent, and the other half are guilty. I'm getting vibes that chiefsonny is innocent as well.

Castrael not talking has definitely seemed suspicious to me. She's clearly been online enough, but hasn't said much, has had a lot of excuses for not talking (even if they may be relevant, it is suspicious to see so many differing reasons brought up), and it's definitely a lot different from her first games. I'm not too willing to vote for her just yet though, because it could easily just be a change in how she plays mafia, town-sided or otherwise.

Trever strikes me as a little suspicious for the fact that he defended Xhin last round, and then called chiefsonny out for defending Xhin too:

I would be more inclined to think chiefsonny is an alien. He came out defending Xhin pretty strongly yesterday and tried to redirect the lynch to hezekiah. I also didn't think it was a good idea to lynch Xhin, but mostly I am against the idea of random lynching - because there was no suspicion surrounding Xhin, he was merely being used as a guinea for his inactivity.
-Trever


While he can say it wasn't his intention to explicitly defend Xhin, it's what he did when it comes down to it. I normally wouldn't find it too odd on its own, but the fact that he brought attention to chiefsonny for doing the same thing seems odd.

I have no idea what to do right now so I'm just going to vote for Vandy.

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MajorasMask9

WAIT! That's a bad idea... Because Vandy... Yeah... Bad idea... I change my mind, I'm voting for... White Thunder! Yes!!

March 27, 2013
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MajorasMask9

... Are you drunk?

March 28, 2013
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White Thunder

Why is voting for Vandy a bad idea? Is there something you're not telling us?

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`Roxas`

... Are you drunk?

(duck)

March 28, 2013
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`Roxas`

I say we all vote Random and call it a day, eh gang?

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Speed Bike Pro
 

I say we all vote Random and call it a day, eh gang?

60-40 chance we hit one of our own though. And with the way things have gone for the Mafia, we'll probably hit one of the few power roles left in the game.

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`Roxas`

I would be hesitant to vote for Vandy because quite frankly he hasn't given me any reason to suspect him... but... I'm not sure if Thunder's a better candidate either.

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Jo Nathan

Not to mention it allows the Mafia to hide behind such a vote.

March 28, 2013
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`Roxas`

Woah there, fella. Just ease off, nice and slow now. No one has to get hurt. We can talk our way through this and TOO FAST FOR VMAN

March 28, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

We're just over halfway through this round, so still 36 hours to go before the round ends.

March 28, 2013
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`Roxas`

Huh...why the hell would Majora suddenly change his vote like that? Did he see something we didn't, or is he Mafia/Alien and just realized he was about to vote off a teammate?

Although I thought I saw something last round...can't say what or, long story short, it would screw the Town over royally...

March 28, 2013
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Black Yoshi

I agree that it is a bad idea to kill me

Trever strikes me as a little suspicious for the fact that he defended Xhin last round, and then called chiefsonny out for defending Xhin too:


I was thinking the same thing. but if you'll notice, he made a long post after everyone had started voting for xhin without addressing that part at all. he didn't mention his dislike of random voting until someone else said something about it. if he were an alien trying to defend xhin, I think his defense would have come sooner

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Vandy

While he can say it wasn't his intention to explicitly defend Xhin, it's what he did when it comes down to it. I normally wouldn't find it too odd on its own, but the fact that he brought attention to chiefsonny for doing the same thing seems odd.

Not really... Xhin or whoever else, I am against random lynching. Chief was defending Xhin on a personal level (or seemed to) and then sorta redirected the idea towards hezekiah, while I was doing so on a purely general level and didn't want anyone to die just for inactivity.

I would be hesitant to vote for Vandy because quite frankly he hasn't given me any reason to suspect him... but... I'm not sure if Thunder's a better candidate either.

Got agree there... that's more random voting in action. I am not voting for either of those until I see some solid reasoning to do so.

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Trever Leingod

that's more random voting in action. I am not voting for either of those until I see some solid reasoning to do so.


not to tie my own noose or anything

but by that logic, all the mafia have to do is not point fingers and you'll never have a reason to vote for them

March 28, 2013
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Vandy

Mafia can be suspect by being uncharacteristically quiet, too defensive, or just be a bit too funny for their own good. You don't necessarily need to be aggressive to be suspicious.

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Trever Leingod

Not really... Xhin or whoever else, I am against random lynching. Chief was defending Xhin on a personal level (or seemed to) and then sorta redirected the idea towards hezekiah, while I was doing so on a purely general level and didn't want anyone to die just for inactivity.


My point was that regardless of your intentions, the end result was you wanting to direct votes off of Xhin. I'll agree that your reasoning matches your playing in past games, but it still had the unintentional effect of essentially saying "I don't want to kill Xhin", which is what chiefsonny basically said as well despite having a different argument.

March 28, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Okay fair enough, as long as you understand the difference {:D}

March 28, 2013
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Trever Leingod

Appears to be roughly one day left for you all to make your mind up.

March 28, 2013
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Count Dooku

Don't rush us Dookue!

March 28, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Dooku's right. It's about time we start making up our mind this round, since in my mind a no kill/no vote will screw us over if anyone else saw what I think I saw.

I'm still a mite suspicious of Majora, even though I'm almost certain he's innocent or he would not have changed his vote like that. I think I'm a mite more suspicious of Hindenburg. Mayhap Speed was just being Speed, but some of Hindenburg's comments, even though I've seen him post elsewhere on the site and his comments make only half-sense half the time and no sense the other half of the time, just strike some particularly dissonant chords with me...

I'm tempted to vote him off, but knowing his propensity for turning the vote back on whoever votes for him in defence...

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Black Yoshi

I'll cast my vote by the end of the round. I know who I want to vote for - I'm just afraid of being wrong again...

Majora, in case you really were drunk last night (jk {:P}), would you mind explaining why you're voting for Thunder?

March 28, 2013
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Jo Nathan

I'd still like to hear why Majora thinks voting for Vandy would be a bad idea and voting for Thunder is a better one.

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`Roxas`

I'd still like to hear why Majora thinks voting for Vandy would be a bad idea and voting for Thunder is a better one.

I see no reason for voting Vandy being a good idea currently... but I don't see why White Thunder is either.

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Trever Leingod

Wasn't drunk! Let's just pretend I didn't say anything about Vandy. He could be mafia or an alien for all we know.

March 28, 2013
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MajorasMask9

orr a townie.. I could be a townie too y'know. jeez

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Vandy

I'm not saying that voting for Vandy is a good idea, I'd just like to know why Vandy would be a bad option. To me, it seems like MM9 knows something about Vandy's role that we don't. Could be that they are both Aliens, though I doubt that entirely. Another thing that has crossed my mind is that one of them is the UFO Hunter and has already been probed. All we know is something surprising happens when the UFO Hunter is probed, but something that concerns me about that is if the activation comes after that person is killed by Town or Mafia.

To be quite honest, voting for Hindy (based on the ridiculousness of his posts) or chief (based on his defending of Xhin, though I can understand why he'd do it regardless of his role). Still not sure who I would vote for if I had to, but it would probably be one of those two.

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`Roxas`

Yeah, I think I would agree that the real wild card here is that we do not know what happens when the UFO hunter is probed... is he made into an alien as well? Does he become a zombie?

A question for Dooku, should be fairly simple to answer:

Will we be notified if/when the UFO Hunter gets probed and told what happens to him? Or will only the aliens know what happened?

March 28, 2013
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Trever Leingod

I agree. My observation has nothing to do with the UFO Hunter gimmick, but that has been bothering me since the game started. Especially considering it could range from something good (aliens being revealed to the UFO Hunter) or bad (UFO Hunter turning into an alien or dying).

Why would you want to vote for chiefsonny, Roxas?

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MajorasMask9

A summary of chiefsonny on Day 2:


Anyone that takes the time to make 2 long drawn out post like that and then points the finger at someone with nothing to go on but, yes, nothing to go on, has to be guilty of something.

Like taking the attention away from themselves.

You guy's do what you want, but I've seen that bill of goods being sold around this game before.



and I'm sure if he is a townie, he won't mind.

So you're saying if you were a townie (and I underscore the word if), you wouldn't mind if someone voted you out.


Castrael
Speed Bike Pro
Hindenburg
MajorasMask9
Helius
white lancer

So not only are you picking who we should vote for, by being the first one to vote for Xhin, but also who should vote.


I don't agree. Still sounds like a Mafia or Alien pointing fingers. But time will tell.

And even if that's true. Why Xhin. Why not hezy. He's made one post in almost 2 rounds.


Xhin posted at least once more then hezy, and hezy has never been voted off the first part of the game as many times as Xhin has. Nobody has.

So this is your's and Helius plan.

Sure gives me somthing to think about.


Day 3:


Well let this catch your attention:

chiefsonny tied to stop the votes on Xhin for one reason. I was really tired of everyone thinking oit was funny and cool to vote he off 1st or 2nd every game. It got to be a joke that was not funny anymore and was getting old. Put yourself in his shoes.

As far as the hezy thing goes, someone brought up inactivity, I don't remember who and at this point even care who, so I brought it up that hezy had posted less then Xhin.

As far as I'm concerned Xhin should not be dead, but that's over and done with and I'm done beating that dead horse. His death was good for the town but wrong imo.



And that's what makes him imo one of the best if not the best at the gtx0 Mafia game. He knows how to play the role. I love it when I'm on the same team.

And my gut tells me he's townie. If I thought otherwise I would be the first one trying to get him off.


I would have made that argument about Xhin regardless of what role I had or have.

Sometimes standing up and saying something not's right has to be done regardless of how it makes you look in the eyes of other players.


He stands out as either alien or a townie... I'm reading this stuff over a lot to decipher which. I'd be really shocked if he was Mafia.

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Trever Leingod

I'm now very suspicious of someone that's working so hard to take attention away himself, that in one day he has posted 99% of the things that 2 players have posted.

That’s all for Day 1 on Majora. I’m getting to Day 2, brb.


Majora’s comments on Day 2 (some inconsequential posts are excluded such as the reference to making the post the main thread, really short “Yeah” posts, etc)


A summary of chiefsonny on Day 2:


Day 3:


I've played in every game as have a lot of you and I've never seen this before. Has anyone else?

Who's next Trever?

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chiefsonny
 

I'm now very suspicious of someone that's working so hard to take attention away himself, that in one day he has posted 99% of the things that 2 players have posted.

What suspicion on me exactly? That came and went already.

I also did this overview thing with Roxas. That's 3 people I analyzed. And I actually used those clips to actually come to the conclusion that two of those people were probably innocent. I was analyzing other people as they were brought up, not trying to take attention away from myself. You seem to be the one trying to get the attention off you, after all Roxas just brought you up and not me.

Also, you seem a little too defensive right now, chief.

Who's next Trever?

I'll do myself if that makes you happy.

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Trever Leingod

And who can forget this post by Trever Leingod

Monday, Mar 25, 2013 -- 12:48pm
1364230120

Okay, my thoughts on the round thus far:

white lancer, I highly suspect, is an alien


Better watch what you say boys and girls or you may be part of another Trever rant post.

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chiefsonny
 

I've actually honestly seen Trever do this in previous games. Exact format and everything, and every time he's been a misunderstood townie. Not going to defend him just yet, because as always, part of me finds him suspicious every time he writes a reply. I don't know how you do it Trever!

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MajorasMask9

Better watch what you say boys and girls or you may be part of another Trever rant post.

Oi, you suspected him too and you actually voted for him, I didn't! {:P}

I've actually honestly seen Trever do this in previous games. Exact format and everything, and every time he's been a misunderstood townie. Not going to defend him just yet, because as always, part of me finds him suspicious every time he writes a reply. I don't know how you do it Trever!

Trust me, I dunno how I do it either... if I did know how, I'd stop doing it so I would survive more games. {:P}

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Trever Leingod

I've actually honestly seen Trever do this in previous games


Well MM9 I take your word for it. I guess someone has to much time on their hands or like me, needs to get a life{:P}

Exact format and everything, and every time he's been a misunderstood townie.


Well this time I think it's because he's a experienced player that is either Mafia or Alien.

March 28, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

Alright, since it looks as if no one else is voting for anyone...

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Black Yoshi

I know that feel Trever. {:P}
I'm so hesitant to vote for anyone cuz in my mind I'm looking for just Aliens right now. And my vote is kind of important so I don't want to vote anyone innocent out. (whoops my ego is showing)

March 28, 2013
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Female Alpha Wolf

still suspicious

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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

I don't find Trev particularly suspicious, though I don't really see chief as too suspicious either. Honestly I think MM's posts have been incredibly weird and out of character this round, and I just want him to explain himself, which he has completely avoided this round.

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White Thunder

What was out of character??

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MajorasMask9

I thought I saw something last round...


EDIT: I thought I saw something in Day 1 -- sorry, had a brainfart and forgot what Day Round it was for a minute.

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Black Yoshi

Well if you're thinking about what I thought stuck out, Black Yoshi, I assume something would have happened by now if that really were the case, because it didn't seem like the kind of thing everyone would just not notice. Especially after last game.

Assuming we're thinking of the same thing.

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MajorasMask9

What was out of character??

Naming two people as suspicious for what may or may not be good reasons- then promptly ignoring your own suspicions and voting for someone completely random. Then withdrawing vote because it's a "bad idea" and voting for someone else completely random. And completely failing to explain any of it. And then telling us to "pretend" that you never voted Vandy.

None of the seems weird to you?

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White Thunder

After playing through Days 1 and 2 with Speed and Hindenburg, not particularly.

March 28, 2013
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MajorasMask9

After playing through Days 1 and 2 with Speed and Hindenburg, not particularly.

Their insanity should not affect you {:P}

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Trever Leingod

Why would you want to vote for chiefsonny, Roxas?

Just the way he went about defending Xhin while trying to place suspicion on hezekiah for similar reasons as people were voting for Xhin, that being relative inactivity through the first day and a half.

The only thing I can think of is that chief and Xhin are/were two of the Aliens, while hezekiah is either a town-sided role or Mafia member.

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`Roxas`

After playing through Days 1 and 2 with Speed and Hindenburg, not particularly.

Sorry, my in-game character has been taking a lot more naps lately. Please feel free to wake me up when something actually happens.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

[quotequotechiefsonny
Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 -- 7:11pm
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(Posted 2 Days ago)

I would have made that argument about Xhin regardless of what role I had or have.

Sometimes standing up and saying something not's right has to be done regardless of how it makes you look in the eyes of other players.


Maybe if more people would do what I did knowing it would put a target on their back, we wouldn't be going after Xhin because it's fun to do it and others that have jobs or school and can't post in the first 24 hrs. of every Day round.

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chiefsonny
 

@Majora: Then again, if we're thinking of the same thing and what would happen was true, there's a chance we wouldn't know about it until endgame...

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Black Yoshi

For obvious reasons, "Not Voting" can't be a winning option if 72 hours elapses, as the vast majority of you are doing just that.

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Count Dooku

Well yeah, but wouldn't you think it'd have some impact on the early game? I mean, assuming we're thinking the same thing, if I was mafia, I'd have probably acted on that already, wouldn't you agree?

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MajorasMask9

I agree with the reasoning Roxas put forth about chief, the "why lynch this inactive guy, when we can lynch this other inactive guy instead?" argument.

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hezekiah

I agree with the reasoning Roxas put forth about chief, the "why lynch this inactive guy, when we can lynch this other inactive guy instead?" argument.


If you took the time to read post instead of going on what other people say, you would know that your name was not brought up until after the inactivity issue was brought up by someone other then me. That's when I made the comparison between you and Xhin

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chiefsonny
 

@Majora: That is true...

Based on Trever's analysis and a few other comments...

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Black Yoshi

Eh...

I agree that chiefsonny and Castrael are probably the "safest" options for today, but I'd rather go with Castrael. Something definitely seems off.

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MajorasMask9

Well a 2-2 tie is not at all a good idea.

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hezekiah

Well a 2-2 tie is not at all a good idea.


I would think that as a Mafia, that would make you feel good. But you have used that tactic before when you were Mafia to throw people off.

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chiefsonny
 

See, now you just sound desperate.

The town has nothing to gain from sitting on our thumbs. The way I figure, you're someone the town would benefit from killing. Might be wrong, but wouldn't be voting for you if I thought I was.

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hezekiah

The town has nothing to gain from sitting on our thumbs


Well then lets all vote for you.
You are playing the way you normally do when you've been Mafia. Anybody that's played this game a lot knows that.

See, now you just sound desperate.


You do know you've used that line before in other games.

By the way are you F5ing again?

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chiefsonny
 

I've got basketball streaming on my second monitor, so here I am.

If you've got yourself convinced that I'm mafia or alien, then by all means vote for me. It won't turn out like you want, but I'm sure you know this already.

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hezekiah

If you've got yourself convinced that I'm mafia or alien, then by all means vote for me.


You'd love that. Then you could say, look I said some things about him and voted for him and he turned around and voted for me.

I'm convinced you're Mafia because of the way you're playing, the same way you always play when you've been Mafia. If I had actual evidence then I would have already voted for you. You can take that to the bank.

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chiefsonny
 

For what it's worth,it's the same reason I have this gut feeling that MM9 is a Townie.

Even though as a player he scares the hell out of me.
His posting just seems more forceful when he's not a townie.

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chiefsonny
 

Would you have any issues with voting for Castrael, chief?

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MajorasMask9

Would you have any issues with voting for Castrael, chief?


I don't have a problem voting for anyone that I think is not a townie.

I plan on voting for someone later.

I have 3 people that I have concerns about and she is one of them.

You already know who 2 are and why.
The thing that gives me concerns about Cas is the complete 360 from the way she has played in the past. That's one of the things I want to do, go back and look at her post and see what she has said.

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chiefsonny
 

She, Cas, may have a very good reason. But to be honest, I don't remember what she posted and to be fair to her that's why I want to take another look.

If the host has given the cop and sensor some way to protect themselves, for at least one round each, we would not be here on day 3 grasping at straws.

March 29, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

I get to be a tiebreaker, eh? Heh heehh.... Interesting.... Hehhhh....

*flips a coin

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Speed Bike Pro
 

I'll change my vote so as to mitigate the danger of a vote tie resulting in No Kill. I do hope to check back in tomorrow morning, so I could change my vote again if I want to.

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hezekiah

Sorry, I was at work, and had to make sure a friend wasn't going to do anything stupid ><

As far as my voting goes, I have no one in particular, but I do have my eye on Chief and Majora tho. Pretty risky, but also Vandy. I mean, if Majora hadn't vote for Vandy the way he did and he knew it was a bad idea; Alien or not he's still on my list. Vandy, that is. But, for now, I'll be watching again and see if my voice needs to be heard.

March 29, 2013
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Castrael

Also, I don't want to vote too many times cuz I know it bothered a lot of people. And that I say random things a lot too, so I'm being a bit more mature in this game.

March 29, 2013
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Castrael

Heads I vote for chief, Tails I vote for Hindy

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`Roxas`

Sorry, chief.

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`Roxas`

Roxas you fool.

The gtx0 coin is never right. You always do the opposite of what it says!

Not that I want you to vote for Heisenberg or anything, since I'm convinced he's innocent.

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MajorasMask9

I'd still prefer Chief to Cas, but just me changing my for won't suffice...

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hezekiah

The gtx0 coin is never right. You always do the opposite of what it says!

Hasn't it been 15-0 in the games though? {:P}

Cas has been acting a bit different than past games, but she's also learning from her mistakes and the mistakes of others, regardless of affiliation. Personally, she is middle of the pack on my list. I'm not sold on anybody's guilt, but we can't no kill.

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`Roxas`

And Cas will die. Hopefully we catch a break and she's Mafia or Alien.

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`Roxas`

Personally I wanted to vote for Trever... {:?}

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Jo Nathan

I know most of you are waiting for me to vote for Cas so she has another vote more then me. But I can't do that yet.

while she's on my list. Two of the others are more experienced and I that's what bothers me. They have a track recorded which bothers me.

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chiefsonny
 

recorded


*record

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chiefsonny
 

Yeah well, I wanted to vote for White Thunder :(

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MajorasMask9

Yeah well, I wanted to vote for White Thunder :(


And you're usually right about these things, and if you voted for Cas you're probably right on. I suspect her to, but she's has not been the brightest apple in the basket when playing and I can't yet decided what has caused this new playing style.

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chiefsonny
 

Roxas' post:

Hasn't it been 15-0 in the games though?

Cas has been acting a bit different than past games, but she's also learning from her mistakes and the mistakes of others, regardless of affiliation. Personally, she is middle of the pack on my list. I'm not sold on anybody's guilt, but we can't no kill.

Was the last post before the deadline. Round update incoming.

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Count Dooku

Something seems to be wrong with the vote tally... here's the 'official' tally from the Host CP, which I have verified to be accurate.

chiefsonny Trever Leingod
hezekiah Castrael
Black Yoshi chiefsonny
`Roxas` chiefsonny
Jo Nathan Not Voting
MajorasMask9 Castrael
Speed Bike Pro Castrael
Hindenburg Castrael

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Count Dooku

Ugh... The host is too sick to be dealing with this!

chiefsony ------- Trever Leingod
hezekiah -------- Castrael
Black Yoshi ----- chiefsonny
`Roxas` --------- chiefsonny
Jo Nathan ------- Not Voting
MajorasMask9 ---- Castrael
Speed Bike Pro -- Castrael
Hindenburg ------ Castrael

March 29, 2013
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Count Dooku

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