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day 3 the bloodbath

Posted April 4, 2014 by white lancer

With one Mafia member and the original Serial Killer dead, the Town had a bit of leeway. In fact, various members weren't very concerned at all with their potential threats, as so far they had done a great job taking out each other. So it was some members felt safe enough to cast their votes, while others felt safe enough to sit back and see what happened.

Though his own vote was 1/7th of the overall tally of votes, Kyon found himself all by himself, and only a couple of extra votes meant he had received the plurality. A few members of the Town half-heartedly strung him up and let him drop, while the rest were content to watch. A quick search of his apartment revealed nothing incriminating or even interesting at all; looks like Kyon was a Townie.

1. The Bandit
2. `Roxas`
3. Speed Bike Pro - Townie
4. Black Yoshi
5. Jo Nathan
6. Kyon - Townie
7. MajorasMask9
8. Moonray - Serial Killer
9. Feral Wolf
10. Apollo Justice
11. EvilGuy0613
12. eXcavator
13. Lady Flare
14. Bubba
15. hezekiah - Thug
16. chiefsonny
17. Lightvayne
18. Count Dooku
19. Marvalo
20. RockyT
21. Shadowwalked
22. Hindenburg
23. SD Yoshi
24. Pirate_Ninja

12-5-2-1[/1]
=24 hours or until all Night actions are in

NOTE: At the end of the night round, I'm going to be host-killing everyone who hasn't made a game-relevant post in the main thread yet. After this night round, I will be taking a tougher stance on inactivity in general.

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welp, that sucked. Here to hoping the Mafia and Serial Killers take out themselves again {:P}

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Lightvayne

Probably not, with 2 Investigator checks the mafia is bound to know at least one power role, and if not that leaves a 6/15 shot at mafia hitting one, which is fairly major.
I think the nurse knows who to protect tonight. I'm also surprised to see no guns being shot yet.

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SDYoshi

Did the silenced person get unsilenced yet?

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MajorasMask9

The silenced person will become unsilenced at the beginning of the next day round (when the next player will be silenced).

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white lancer

I'm here. Just preoccupied at the moment. Very busy week for me.

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Feral Wolf
The Rogue Wolf

ehh...I feel like lynching someone was the right choice, even if it didn't work out this time (sad)


rip in peace kyon-kun



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Pirate_Ninja



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Apollo Justice

Day 3

If the members of the Town were complacent before night set in, perhaps the shots that rang out during the night would holt them awake. Indeed, there were many more shots than might have been expected out of a simple old murder, but the reason became apparent when they stumbled upon the body in the streets: Pirate_Ninja. He had a wicked-looking weapon in his hands and had apparently attempted to fight back, but it turns out our dear Gunsmith was better at selling guns than shooting them.

Closer to Town Square, the Town's residents came across another grisly sight: the battered and bloody corpse of SD Yoshi was draped across his own front lawn. His neighbors remembered him as enthusiastic but not at all violent (despite his eagerness to lynch people)--looks like he was just a plain old ordinary Townie.

The night's casualties didn't end there, though it's really hard to tell if Marvalo died this night or had actually been dead from the start. No one could remember the Townie showing up at any of the meetings.

1. The Bandit
2. `Roxas`
3. Speed Bike Pro - Townie
4. Black Yoshi
5. Jo Nathan
6. Kyon - Townie
7. MajorasMask9
8. Moonray - Serial Killer
9. Feral Wolf
10. Apollo Justice
11. EvilGuy0613
12. eXcavator
13. Lady Flare
14. Bubba
15. hezekiah - Thug
16. chiefsonny
17. Lightvayne
18. Count Dooku
19. Marvalo - Townie
20. RockyT
21. Shadowwalked
22. Hindenburg
23. SD Yoshi - Townie
24. Pirate_Ninja - Gunsmith

9-5-2-1[/1]
72 hours or 12 votes for any one option (6 votes for Executioner kill)

April 5, 2014
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white lancer

Also, perhaps anticipating the night's bloodbath, the Governor has left a message for the Town:

(death)

April 5, 2014
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white lancer

Marv was unable to play due to tenichal difficulties on his end.

Well, that was a rotten night.

April 5, 2014
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Feral Wolf
The Rogue Wolf

Alright, so apparently my talking in Night One doesn't count as posting "in three days" as Lady Flare put it.

Can't really say a whole lot until I take a closer look at things tomorrow, but I am no silenced today.

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`Roxas`

I didn't look that far back. But Day 2 lasted the full 3 days (72 hours) and you didn't say anything in that time, Roxas. So hi, how you been?

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Lady Flare

Being silenced is gay af and I hope whoever did it meets a bitch's death.

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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Wellll that's terrifying, also why did the funsmith die that upsets me more than anything else.

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Shadowwalked

No more guns. ;_;

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eXcavator

Count Dooku Posted Thursday April 3rd Day 2

I am the town's nurse


Don't believe it for one minute and here's why.

Last night I was out protecting Jo Nathan


Why Jo Nathan. I read every post JN made and I see nothing that would indicate his role.
Did you just flip a coin, talk to JN OOG and learned his role.
And just for shits and giggles, let's say you are the nurse, why would you say who you protected and possibly put a target on their back.

FYI, I am unable to protect myself because the nurse is a junk role.


lol. So because you don't like your role, you role claim knowing the Mafia would come after you.
Or is it because you knew they wouldn't.
Although thanks to Cas for the way it was set up, it is a junk role. But there are ways it can be used. Like using it on a Mafia, to block their role actions.

Bottom line, you're a better player then that and that's why I know you would not have played it this way.

If anyone buy's your role claim, I have some ocean front property for sale real cheap in Utah.

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chiefsonny
 

Why Jo Nathan. I read every post JN made and I see nothing that would indicate his role.

As is typical on day 1, there wasn't much information to base anything on. Why exactly do you think I need to know someone's role in order to protect them?

I would have gladly sat in my house protecting myself, but as stated the nurse cannot self-protect. It was either:

A) Do nothing during the night round

B) Protect/Block someone and see if anything interesting happens next round (EX: Turns out no one is silenced because everyone makes a post).

lol. So because you don't like your role, you role claim knowing the Mafia would come after you.

You misunderstand me completely. I didn't roleclaim because I'm upset with my role. I roleclaimed because the journalist advertised to the mafia that I am a power role. Regardless of WHICH power role it is, the mafia would have no reason to keep me alive. I have very little to lose by saying 'hey guys I'm the nurse btw'.

I absolutely would have remained hidden, not wasting my ability to roleblock potential mafia, if not for the journalists actions.

Also the blame isn't really on Cas. This is just how the nurse role works and has always worked. Its a really bad doctor.

Ultimately I'm not really sure why you're being so hostile. You're acting like I had some obvious other alternative once the journalist told the world I had a night action, aside from false-claiming watcher/tracker in a futile attempt to be a less attractive target.

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Count Dooku

Ultimately I'm not really sure why you're being so hostile. You're acting like I had some obvious other alternative once the journalist told the world I had a night action


Not a matter of being hostile. I just know you're not the Nurse. Or so I've been told. And I believe that person more then you.
So that means you got caught out of your house and are trying to cover it up by false claiming.

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chiefsonny
 

I just know you're not the Nurse. Or so I've been told. And I believe that person more then you.
So that means you got caught out of your house and are trying to cover it up by false claiming.

I would suggest you double check your faith in whoever is CCing, especially if they're using you as their patsy.

The town will lynch you when I turn up as nurse. If you come up innocent, having misplaced your trust in whoever is false CCing me, then we lose two town roles.

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Count Dooku

I can confirm that Count Dooku and I have not communicated OoG and I'm not 100% sure he is the nurse either at this point.

However:

I just know you're not the Nurse. Or so I've been told. And I believe that person more then you.


You partaking in OoG chat is not something I thought I would ever see, and I don't know if I can fully believe it. If Dooku is lying, why would the Nurse choose you specifically to entrust the counterclaim?

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Jo Nathan

Majora tried to clear this up for me last round, but I'm being dense. Can someone just tell me which roles exactly can be detected leaving their own houses at night. I'm not worried about who can be seen killing who because the Ninja can hide that. Nor who is visiting who because in order to visit one must leave the house.

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Lady Flare

I believe that the roles that can be detected leaving their houses at night are:

Watcher
Tracker
Nurse
Mafia Investigator
Silencer
Serial Killer
Journalist

I could have missed a few or listed a few that don't actually leave their houses; in either case, y'all feel free to correct me.

Anyway, the mere fact that chief is actually engaging in OOG communication is somewhat suspicious to me; usually he's about as vehemently against OOG communication as Sonicdave is against Mario, so something's up here.

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Black Yoshi

why would the Nurse choose you specifically to entrust the counterclaim?


Just my honest face I guess.

But on the serious side. If I'm taken out all the town loses is a vanilla townie and a number, where if he has to defend his role and is taken out the town loses both a number and a power role, even if it is a junk role. It can still have it's uses.

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chiefsonny
 

so something's up here.


I didn't leave my room. And neither did the Real Nurse, or you would have seen one our names instead of Count Dooku.

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chiefsonny
 

I didn't leave my room. And neither did the Real Nurse, or you would have seen one our names instead of Count Dooku.

The journalist has to target you in order to get a result... something I'd think you would know given how many games you've played in.

So how do you go from the fact that I was watched by the journalist to proof that you and the 'real nurse' didn't leave rooms?

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Count Dooku

Just got back from a busyish day, so I need to read the thread over still after I get something to eat. Just posting now to say I'm not silenced.

April 6, 2014
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MajorasMask9

Yoshi's list is more or less correct. The Gunsmith would also be seen leaving their house, as would any non-Ninja Mafia who casts the first vote to kill. Mafia members are not seen leaving their house during the night other than that.

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white lancer

Kinda reading over the list myself. I also was not silenced

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Lightvayne

Kind of obvious what's going on here.

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The Bandit

Kind of obvious what's going on here.

What about this situation is obvious?

Everything I have explained has been very straight forward, compared to Chief.

Chiefsonny:

- Apparently finds the idea that JN was randomly protected to be evidence that I am not the nurse

- Asserts that revealing who I protected somehow places a target on their back (given that it was a random selection, it does not)

- Decides that this is the game he is going to engage in OOG, after consistently opposing OOG in both this game and Adventure.

- Having decided to engage in OOG, appears with the 'bombshell' revelation that some mystery party is also claiming to be the nurse. A mystery party which decided that the guy who doesn't engage in OOG was the logical person to reveal to.

- Attempts to claim that the fact that I was seen leaving my house means that chiefsonny and his mystery party DID NOT LEAVE their houses. An assertion backed up by absolutely nothing, because the journalist would have had to watch chiefsonny or the 'mystery' person in order to see them stay in OR leave.

But yes, it's obvious that I'm the one being inconsistent.

Not to mention we haven't even gotten our journalist piece yet.

But by all means, go ahead and lynch your nurse.

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Count Dooku

I do find it somewhat odd that someone roleclaimed Nurse yesterday, and then the Mafia target... The Gunsmith and a plain Townie? Do the Mafia just not care that the Nurse is alive or what?

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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Do we know for certain who the Mafia kill was and who the Serial Killer's kill was?

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Lady Flare

Alright I read the thread over and probably overanalyzed the heck out of things :).

Looking at the events from the last Day round I find it unusual that Count Dooku is still alive. He claimed Nurse and there were and have been no counterclaims (save chiefsonny saying that Dooku is not the nurse, which I don't consider a counterclaim.) The Journalist saw Count Dooku leaving his house meaning Count Dooku has to be a power role, if we assume the Journalist is telling the truth (which I have no reason to doubt at this point, especially since in the same article they say that Apollo didn't leave her house. Why lie about one person and not the other, if your only job is to make the town want to lynch people?)

Count Dooku claiming nurse should have been an invitation for the mafia/serial killer to target him. No, the Journalist saying that Count Dooku left his house should have been enough of a reason to be a kill target. There's a Paranoid Gun Owner in play, which any role with a night action should be afraid of, especially the mafia and serial killer. If the Journalist is telling the truth, then Count Dooku can't be the Paranoid Gun Owner. This in addition to the fact that he's a power role makes him a very, very likely nightkill target.

But there's a problem: nobody voted to kill him. Not the Mafia, not the Serial Killer. Both sides have more than enough reason to target, but neither did. Put yourself in the shoes of a mafia player or a serial killer and ask yourself why that would make sense. It brings up a lot of interesting scenarios.

Suppose Dooku is mafia. I imagine the Serial Killer must have thought of this scenario. In the Serial Killer's eyes, Dooku is a power role; he might be the nurse, he might be mafia, he might be a watcher, etc. Why didn't the Serial Killer target Dooku? I see two possibilities in this case: The SK thought Dooku wasn't the nurse and would be protected by the real Nurse, or Dooku is the Serial Killer.

The same thing applies to the mafia, if we assume Dooku isn't mafia. However the fact that the mafia are a team makes for slight differences, but the same idea applies.

But what I find interesting is that both sides decided not to kill Dooku. And if that's for any reason similar to what my own thoughts were at the end of Day 2, it's likely because--for me anyway--when I saw Dooku claim Nurse it was very hard to believe that he's really the nurse and would claim it so late in the round. I think it's very likely he's the Watcher or Tracker, or some other role that got into contact with the real Nurse, and at the last minute decided to claim Nurse to make it look like he couldn't protect himself at night. The claim came very late into the round, it was after the round was supposed to end. If he was the real nurse at that point, I think he would have just waited until the next round before he claimed anything.

To summarize, I don't believe Dooku is the Nurse. I believe he's either:

A)Town-sided power role that's in contact with a nurse, and was hoping to trick the mafia and serial killer into wasting a kill.
B)Mafia or Serial Killer, whom neither wanted to risk killing due to the possibility of a trap.

And both are just as likely in my opinion. But I don't believe Dooku is the Nurse. And would like to hear his take on this before the round ends.

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MajorasMask9

For what it's worth: as a former serial killer, I'd just like to say that if I were the serial killer this game, I would not have targeted Dooku if I thought he was the nurse. I would be trying to eliminate the Mafia first because the ratio is town + serial killer VS mafia.

If the actual serial killer has the same understanding that I do, then this would definitely alter the scenario you've described.

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Jo Nathan

Didn't consider that. Idk, I'm not the serial killer and I'm not mafia I SWEAR but I think if I was the SK I'd have totally gone for Dooku, because either he'd be the Nurse, Mafia, or Town-sided role that isn't the PGO. But it's an interesting angle you brought up.

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MajorasMask9

Who do you suggest we target Dooku?

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The Bandit

Think of the Serial Killer + Admirers as a third faction in the game. The Mafia has to outnumber them + the Town, they have to outnumber the Town + the Mafia, and the Town has to eliminate both. The ratio is essentially 14-6-3, with the Journalist not counting toward any side in particular.

I don't this fits with what you're saying Jo Nathan? Maybe I'm misunderstanding.

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The Bandit

Start of Day 3

9-5-2-1[/1]


Jo Nathan's numbers.

The ratio is essentially 14-6-3, with the Journalist not counting toward any side in particular.


Is this that new math I've heard about?

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chiefsonny
 

That was a Lancer quote from Day1

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The Bandit

Who do you suggest we target Dooku?

Why do you think I know? We're around two days into this round and we've got 37 posts total. Virtually all of them revolving around me and chiefsonny. I wouldn't be surprised if the Mafia haven't posted whatsoever and are laughing their asses off while we argue in circles.

I'm hesitant to say chief is mafia, because that would be a really bad play this early in the game. The mafia gain little and reveal a teammate in the process. However, the idea that chief is suddenly engaging in OOG just in time to deliver a counter claim is definitely a concern. As I said originally, it wouldn't surprise me if he's being used as the mafia's patsy because he trusts whoever confided in him (if someone confided in him).

I also don't know how I'm supposed to explain that neither the mafia nor the SK came after me last nigh. SK may have been worried about being seen by the watcher/followed by the tracker.

Mafia don't have to worry about that, because they have the Ninja. But it does occur to me that leaving me alive would serves a few purposes:

1) It creates the exact argument we're having right now. As a result, there's very little chance of a mafia member ending up on the chopping block. Added benefit of the town stringing me up and resolving the problem for them.

2) High player count means its very unlikely that I mess up the Mafia night kill at this point. Mafia can take me out later, or leave me alive until the town gets suspicious and lynches me. Either way, not really a threat to them.

3) In addition, any town-aligned role that I protect from the mafia is roleblocked. Useful to the mafia with three information roles alive and well (journalist, tracker, watcher).

when I saw Dooku claim Nurse it was very hard to believe that he's really the nurse and would claim it so late in the round.


I've explained this twice over :/ I had nothing to lose by revealing what role I am.

Ultimately, if you guys really think a mystery counter claim and all the inconsistencies in chief's explanation is more believable than everything I've explained so far, then just go ahead and lynch me.

Maybe the Governor will inject some common sense into this and stop the town from losing its nurse.

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Count Dooku

So, we have less than 24 hours to figure out what to do. Do we vote for Dooku and hope he is either mafia or the SK? And on the off chance he is the nurse, chiefsoony would have to give up his confidential informent.

And I'd say Apollo Justice is silenced. I wish I could hear her take on things.

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Lady Flare

Oh hi what is this

I've just skimmed so far, but before I pass out I wanted to put in my two cents:

Dooku was revealed to be a power role by the journalist, and role-claiming Nurse would probably be the best decision he could have to keep himself from being lynched then, while allowing him to potentially save someone else that night.

However, I think the mafia would take into account how unlikely it would be for him to survive the round. Since he's unable to protect himself, they could easily off someone else during the night round, and then rely on the suspicion of Dooku bullshitting to get him lynched in the day round, effectively killing two birds with one stone by having the town lynch off one of their own.

If he is the Nurse, I think two things should happen:

1) A closer evaluation of those who pushed for his lynching (As well as the revealing of chief's information. Just because you trust them more than Dooku, doesn't mean they're not crafty mafia trying to pull wool over your eyes). Of course, with night talk on, if Dooku is innocent and chief is too, he can reveal his ill-informant if they try to off him during the night to silence him.

2) I need to stop having moments where I'm reviewing parasitology notes and then thinking 'fuck I keep forgetting about mafiagame'

3) Dioctophyma renale, otherwise known as the giant kidney worm, is a nematode that has an infective stage in aquatic annelids. It's huge and hollows out kidneys so it can curl up inside. Although rare, human cases are recorded.

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Shadowwalked

If he is the Nurse, I think two things should happen:

Clarifying, this isn't a mistype. No one should ever get giant worms in their kidneys.

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Shadowwalked

Putting this here for now. If Dooku is Mafia or serial killer, I don't think he would voluntarily lie about his role when nobody was voting for him at that point.

However, since the journalist outed him as a power role, him roleclaiming and revealing his actions because he thought the Mafia were going to kill him makes perfect sense.

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Jo Nathan

Oh wait, actually I see that Bubba voted for him... Still, he was not in danger of dying since Kyon had the majority of the votes.

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Jo Nathan

Entirely possible the mafia just wants us to kill the innocent Dooku, since myself and others said last round that if he doesn't die in the night, he would be the best target for lynching.

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Bubba

Round ends at 8 PM tonight, yes?

I'm going to take a guess that the journalist hasn't written an article because:

1) Whoever they targeted last night stayed in

2) They don't want a diversion from getting me lynched so they can have their bonus point

since myself and others said last round that if he doesn't die in the night, he would be the best target for lynching.


And if, as I said above, the mafia had noticed that and decided to play to it you're doing exactly what they wanted. No time to ferret out mafia during the day round when you're busy lynching the only role that can prevent a death/block a role...

Initiating survival vote in:

3

2

1

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Count Dooku

Journalist might be silenced, idk if that would stop an article or not, but I assume it would.

I've barely read over the thread, I'll do so when I'm not on my phone (shortly).

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Apollo Justice

If you truly are innocent- given how many Mafia members there are, I'd say you're as good as dead. Not enough people are participating, so it will be easy for them to break the tie if needed.

However, I don't want to waste the round on a no-kill, so I'll shift my vote to someone I feel has been more shady than you have.


The Bandit:
Kind of obvious what's going on here.


Dooku is alive, so that means he's guilty? I must respectfully disagree that this is "kind of obvious". For all we know, the Mafia let him live so he would be under scrutiny this round.

I also am weary of the posts The Bandit has made this round - he seems to be playing waaaaaaay too safe. He votes for Dooku without giving any kind of reasoning or adding to the discussion other than to say that it's "obvious".

His next post is asking Dooku to provide us with an alternate lynch target - again, it doesn't help us move things along, it's just shifting the focus back to Dookuscape goat.

Bandit post #3 was purely for discussing a game mechanic (how the ratios with the serial killer work), and post #4 was to clarify that it was a quote from white lancer.

And something else I noticed -

Jo Nathan's numbers.

[...]

Is this that new math I've heard about?

- chiefsonny

Another person toward whom I voiced some suspicion. Is he deliberately trying to make me look foolish so nobody will listen to me, even though he was quoting someone else and not me?


The Bandit is my top suspect, and chiefsonny is a close 2nd.

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Jo Nathan

OK, well this is bizarre.

Dooku is alive, so that means he's guilty? I must respectfully disagree that this is "kind of obvious". For all we know, the Mafia let him live so he would be under scrutiny this round.

No. I never said any of this, nor did I even imply that this is why I thought Dooku was guilty. I hadn't even really thought about him making it through the Night round when I cast my vote, to be honest.

What is obvious is something I'll keep to myself, because no one else seems to be arriving at the same conclusion (EVEN THOUGH ITS TOTALLY OBVIOUS AND IM BAFFLED AT HOW THIS ROUND IS GOING LIKE WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS). If I become a serious lynch target then I'll come forward, but until then revealing it will only hurt the Town.

I also am weary of the posts The Bandit has made this round - he seems to be playing waaaaaaay too safe. He votes for Dooku without giving any kind of reasoning or adding to the discussion other than to say that it's "obvious".

This is explained by my post above. I haven't said anything else, not to play safe (?????????), but because I honestly thought it was obvious and to protect my team in the event that it isn't obvious to the mafia.

His next post is asking Dooku to provide us with an alternate lynch target - again, it doesn't help us move things along, it's just shifting the focus back to Dookuscape goat.

OK, your reasoning is extremely flawed here dude. Why would I "move things along" AWAY from the person I think is mafia? That is fucking absurd. Your bias that you think Dooku is innocent isn't letting fucking with your perspective. Second, the focus never shifted away from Dooku. No second target has even been suggested until now. So, suggesting that I shifted focus back to him also makes no sense. The focus never even left Dooku. Finally, asking a potential lynch target who they want to lynch is a perfectly standard strategy in all scenarios. If they're mafia, you can get some idea of who else is innocent/guilty, and if they're innocent you can maybe reexamine your preconceptions and possibly lynch someone else. I have no idea why doing this, something I and others do almost every single game, makes me look suspicious.

Bandit post #3 was purely for discussing a game mechanic (how the ratios with the serial killer work), and post #4 was to clarify that it was a quote from white lancer.

And this makes me look suspicious... Why?

Another person toward whom I voiced some suspicion. Is he deliberately trying to make me look foolish so nobody will listen to me, even though he was quoting someone else and not me?

What are you even saying. Chief was trying to make me look foolish, not you. He was supporting you.

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The Bandit

Your bias that you think Dooku is innocent isn't letting fucking with your perspective.

???????

the fuck is that sentence

I think I was trying to say:

Your bias that you think Dooku is innocent is fucking with your perspective.

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The Bandit

Round ends tonight, so might as well contribute whilst I can.

I agree that Dooku's Nurse claim was a bit unorthodox, but not enough to make him suspicious. chief's reaction, however, makes him[/] suspicious in my eyes. First off claiming that he corresponded OOG with someone when he's about as vehemently against OOG as Sonicdave is against Mario, secondly claiming that the person he corresponded with was the "real Nurse"...something smells like Mafia here...

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Black Yoshi

No. I never said any of this, nor did I even imply that this is why I thought Dooku was guilty.


I hope you can understand how I would misunderstand this, given how little explanation you provided. :/

What is obvious is something I'll keep to myself, because no one else seems to be arriving at the same conclusion


If this is true, then that is more than fair enough.

And I was completely expecting to see a response like this:

And this makes me look suspicious... Why?


In response to that, the posts themselves are not especially suspicious, but what set off a red flag for me was this: You are usually extremely vocal and you like to discuss things extensively. In this round, I found it odd that you were keeping your posts very simple and not really using your posts to add any kind of discussion up until now. I felt you were playing it "safe" by not letting yourself talk too much and get tripped up on details.

Of course, if what you say is true and you have a legitimate reason for keeping it to yourself, then I will totally stand corrected.

Chief was trying to make me look foolish, not you. He was supporting you.


Huh? Hmm... I see.

---------------

Well after reading all that, my suspicion I voiced earlier in the round toward chief still stand, and I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt for now. But I know how crafty you are, so I'm not ruling anything out..... :P

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Jo Nathan

Well I talked to the real Nurse again and I am 100% sure that Count Dooku is not the Nurse.

That means he has to be one of the roles listed below.

Watcher
Tracker
Mafia Investigator
Silencer
Serial Killer

I don't know which one of these he is, but I'm thinking it was either the Mafia Investigator or the Serial Killer because he was so quick to role claim and in doing so also threw JN under the bus.
But time will tell boys and girls, time will tell.

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chiefsonny
 

Considering that I am the real nurse, I've spent all round answering all manner of questions on the matter, and YOU have yet to provide a reason why this is the game you decide to engage in OOG while being remarkably inconsistent...

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Count Dooku

Oh, and I'm still vehemently against OOG communication. I think it's cheating, plain and simple.
But I never have any problem talking to my self when I'm alone in my man cave.

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chiefsonny
 

plot twist

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Jo Nathan

I also think Role Claiming before at least Day 3/4 is a bad thing for the town.

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chiefsonny
 

THE BANDIT, I THINK I MIGHT KNOW THE OBVIOUS THING YOU WERE REFERRING TO

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Jo Nathan

Both EvilGuy and RockyT haven't said anything, so I think/hope it's safe to assume one of them is silenced. I don't think there's more people who haven't spoken at least once, but maybe I'm wrong ???

But this is what I'm getting from that:

If I were the Silencer, my primary target wouldn't be a new player who hadn't said very much to begin with (in both of their cases). Maybe that's just a personal preference, but I'd go towards someone who is generally very vocal and who I can read well enough to anticipate if they'll say "this" or "that" (at least enough to have a rough outline of it). Basically, I think it's very odd that one of them is the Silencer target, aside from several possibilities:

a) the Mafia Investigator checked one of them and found them out to be the Journalist (likely by lack of Journalist article)

b) the Mafia Investigator checked one of them and found them out to be a town power role - now this one is interesting, because what if Dooku is Mafia, they investigated them and found them out to be the Nurse, and subsequently silenced them? Unlikely, but still an interesting possibility. It'd only buy them a round, after all, unless they're anticipated to be inactive as long as they're alive (which one of them is being inactive anyways in that case)

c) The silenced one is Mafia and doing it for a typical throw-off or whatever.

Just something to ponder, hoping the un-silenced one speaks up soon.

On another note,

Dooku is both an unpredictable and good player. I don't necessarily think it's odd that he roleclaimed Nurse (hell, he roleclaimed Mafia a few games ago), and I also don't think it's odd that the Mafia or the Serial Killer didn't go after him. Most people are going to find a roleclaim like that to be odd, and him still being alive might simply due to a "strategic" decision on the Mafia's and Serial Killer's parts. Heck, maybe he knew no one would kill him if he roleclaimed for that reason - then at least he could have more avoidance of a night kill (risky but still a potentially smart move), and would do his best to defend himself against a lynch.

I'm not convinced either way of Dooku's affiliation, but I don't know if he's the best lynching target.

Also for the record, I doubt Jo Nathan is guilty of being Mafia (I've read the recent posts more than the entire thread which is why I'm singling in on him). He's not usually very vocal when he's part of the Mafia main team, but he is when he's Town/alone party (Serial Killer and Traitor come to mind). But even him bringing up a Serial Killer strategy earlier makes me lean more towards saying he's not the Serial Killer, meaning at most he's Admirer 2.

chiefsonny... IDK for sure. He's being vocal and claimed Townie, making me think he actually is a Townie, so I wouldn't support going after him just yet.

I'll probably post more after doing more reading ^O^

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Apollo Justice

of course things blow up as I'm replying ;___;

WHY DIDN'T I STICK WITH MY GUT INSTINCT LAST ROUND OF DOOKU BEING A BAD BOY (cry) i always DOUBT MYSELF

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Apollo Justice

I also think Role Claiming before at least Day 3/4 is a bad thing for the town.

And yet as I've said a dozen times over, there was literally no reason not to reveal. The 'bad guys' already knew I had a power role which wasn't theirs. In fact, as I argued earlier, revealing myself as nurse may have actually decreased my attractiveness as a target.

But I never have any problem talking to my self when I'm alone in my man cave.

Am I to understand that you're changing your story from 'Someone confided in me that they are the nurse' to 'Actually I was the nurse all along!'?

This is insane. How do I even have three votes compared to this?

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Count Dooku

If the governor is paying any attention:

This is your one chance to make a difference in this game. I've been straightforward and answered questions all round, and had to defend myself against shadowy accusers that apparently don't even exist.

You've got the power to save a town-sided power role this round, even if it isn't the best one. Please don't waste it.

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Count Dooku

'Someone confided in me that they are the nurse'


Don't you just love mind games.

I think my friend the Nurse was trying to expose you and remain anonymous in doing so in order to continue to help the town.

Those Nurses, always trying to help people{O:-)}

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chiefsonny
 

To be fair, it isn't really insane. If chief is the nurse, it would make sense that he would try to expose you without revealing that he is the nurse.

At this point, it's basically your word against his. You roleclaimed because the journalist outed you. Chief made up the story about the nurse even though he wasn't under fire, so it makes less sense for him to do what he did if he were Mafia.

I apologize if I'm betting on the wrong horse, but my vote is staying where it is.

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Jo Nathan

You've got the power to save a town-sided power role this round


So are you now saying that you are The Watcher or The Tracker?
Since those are the only other Town Power roles that have night actions.

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chiefsonny
 

So are you now saying that you are The Watcher or The Tracker?

I'm not saying that at all. I have been consistent this entire round: I am the Nurse. The Nurse is a town-sided power role.

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Count Dooku

I trust chiefsonny on this one more than I trust Count Dooku.

Also, if Dooku winds up being guilty, I think it's safe to say the Mafia assumed he'd be voted off soon one way or another. With that being said, I wouldn't discredit the replies that were attacking Dooku this round and indicating him. Attacking Dooku, knowing he's not the Nurse and will likely be voted off as it is, would be "advantageous" for the Mafia because it'd paint them to look less guilty for offing a Mafia, which in its simplest state is a commonly used strategy..

Basically, if Dooku is guilty, don't turn a blind eye to the people who advocated his lynching, because it's possible that they're Mafia trying to look innocent (or the Admirer if he turns out to be the Serial Killer - either way).

In addition, if he turns up guilty, I think it's safe to assume chiefsonny is the real Nurse.

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Apollo Justice

Well, if you are the Nurse, Dooku, chief is dead next round. He's put himself on the line. Unfortuneately, if chief is the Nurse, he may not survive the night.

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Lady Flare



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Apollo Justice

If the Executioner doesn't act (Dooku has 6 votes now after my vote), then I think it's safe to say Dooku is Mafia.

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Apollo Justice

Well, it's a done deal now. No way they let me off of a free execution.

Just please do me a favor and lynch Chief when I come up as the Nurse.

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Count Dooku

FINE I'LL WAIT TILL END ROUND THIS DOESN'T MEAN I THINK YOU'RE INNOCENT BUCKO

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Apollo Justice

Um, could the Mafia potentially take out chief as well? I mean if they execute Dooku, (who might be one of their own). And then the one with the next most votes is chief. Could we accidently lynch him if the Governor doesn't step in?

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Lady Flare

Also, I took my vote off of him because it's POSSIBLE that he's the Serial Killer, not Mafia, in which case the Executioner would act anyways. If he's Mafia, the Executioner wouldn't act for maybe obvious reasons (giving a chance for an execution and lynch would be bad for the Mafia). But by not reaching 6 votes, we can at least potentially figure out the silenced target and stir up more information.

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Apollo Justice

Also, Dooku and chief: who were your targets?

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Apollo Justice

It's absolutely irrelevant now. 6 votes for executioner and Apollo was number 6.

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Count Dooku

Just please do me a favor and lynch Chief when I come up as the Nurse.


1. The only way that you will come up as the Nurse is if there are 2 Nurses in the game.

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chiefsonny
 

But I took my vote off, that only gives you 5 votes ???

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Apollo Justice

I think for an executioner kill, the vote just has to reach 6 during the round. So taking your vote off doesn't matter Apollo.

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Lady Flare

Also, Dooku and chief: who were your targets?

Night 0: No one

Night 1: Jo Nathan

Night 2: Hindenburg

I think for an executioner kill, the vote just has to reach 6 during the round. So taking your vote off doesn't matter Apollo.


How it has always worked at least. Also you saw it with Redack - the threshold was reached and then a lot of people removed their votes. Didn't matter because the executioner only needed 8 votes at any time in the round in order to act.

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Count Dooku

Yeah, Redack only had 5 votes when he died. I didn't notice so many people take their votes off of him at the end, and I didn't know it was basically "locked" into place after the threshold was reached. My bad for misunderstanding (shocked)

Oh well, if you're guilty you're guilty, if not when we fudged up and we'll try harder next time.

ahem *clear throat

class="comic">die mafia

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Apollo Justice

Even the formatting knows you've made a mistake {:/}

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Count Dooku

uh...........

no one look..................

let's try that again....

die mafia

(it'd look better in comic sans but idk i did something wrong and it didn't work now I'm gonna cry)

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Apollo Justice

DON'T USE GTX0'S FORMATTING AGAINST ME

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Apollo Justice

To quote myself from before:

If you truly are innocent Dooku truly is guilty- given how many Mafia members there are, I'd say you're as good as dead he has a chance of surviving. Not enough people are participating, so it will be easy for them to break make the tie if needed.

I hope people will keep watch over this round as it nears its end... (:S)

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Jo Nathan

Not enough people are participating, so it will be easy for them to make the tie if needed.

Thanks Jo Nathan for revealing my carefully orchestrated plan based around inactivity...(shifty)

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Shadowwalked

Not enough people are participating


Another normal gtx0 Mafia game.{fp}

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chiefsonny
 

(look)

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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Just FYI... Governor... buddy... You can stop all day killings. Executioner included...

Help {:(}

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Count Dooku

You got caught with your hand in the cookie jar and then made a false role claim to cover up your being seen out of your house and now you want the Governor to save you.

And by doing all this you also hurt the town by putting a target on the back of the Real Nurse.

Prove to us that you're the Watcher or the Tracker which are the only town power players you could be and I'll ask the Real Nurse to protect you.

If the Governor is doing his/her job they will let things play out. And then we will all know the truth.

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chiefsonny
 

Round is ending in about two hours... I guess I can concede and say that it's plausible that Dooku is really the nurse and just got lucky because of an uncertainty among the mafia and serial killer. It just seems bizarre if you're not guilty that both sides didn't target you for a kill.

But I guess I can kind of maybe understand why. It's a risky shot for the killing factions whenever someone makes a role claim that nobody expects--they could be telling the truth or just baiting you. In the eyes of a mafia/serial killer, I imagine you could assume people would find it suspicious if the person who claimed Nurse doesn't die. They could make the town waste a lynch on them and still get kills out.

Eh, idk I'm done analyzing that. It's not going to lead anywhere productive.

I'm going to go out and say I think killing Dooku is a mistake. I think the argument that Dooku is actually the nurse has some merit to it. And if the last night round was a way for the mafia and/or serial killer to make the town waste a lynch on their own power role, then proving them wrong would be a win in itself. I think if Dooku is really innocent and the mafia and/or serial killer know that, they're not going to waste any chance killing him tomorrow. I think if Dooku doesn't get lynched, him being alive in the morning would be a sure sign that he's guilty. Maybe saying this outright for the mafia and serial killer to hear seems like a bad move but I can guarantee that with the ratio getting smaller and the Paranoid Gun Owner and watching roles still in effect, and the Nurse being able to protect a target, the nightkillers are going to stop taking risks, and Dooku would be a very safe kill. I'd rather they waste the kill on him than us.

But at this point I don't imagine the vote will come off of Dooku so I'll begrudgingly throw a vote his way.

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MajorasMask9

Prove to us that you're the Watcher or the Tracker which are the only town power players you could be and I'll ask the Real Nurse to protect you.

Ok seriously guys. HOW ARE YOU NOT SEEING THIS.

Chief can't even keep it straight. First he isn't the nurse. Then he is the nurse. Now that I've hit the execution threshold he's suddenly NOT THE REAL NURSE.

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Count Dooku

Jesus. You're better off with me dead because I sure as hell wouldn't hell any of you after this >.<

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Count Dooku

wouldn't hell any

*wouldn't heal...

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Count Dooku

Chief can't even keep it straight. First he isn't the nurse. Then he is the nurse. Now that I've hit the execution threshold he's suddenly NOT THE REAL NURSE.


If we assume that chief is innocent, it makes sense that he would pretend that someone else is the nurse so that he's not revealing to the Mafia that he's the nurse.

Since you've hit the execution threshold, when did he say that he's not the real nurse? I don't see that anywhere...

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Jo Nathan

Also since the serial killer needs to get rid of the Mafia just as much as the town does, I'd like to openly request that he/she kill chief if Dooku does turn out to be the nurse.

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Jo Nathan

On second thought... I guess that won't fly with you... (forgot that we've got a Watcher in the game) Well shucks. Ignore my previous post.

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Jo Nathan

Prove to us that you're the Watcher or the Tracker which are the only town power players you could be and I'll ask the Real Nurse to protect you.

He's suddenly swapped back to not being the nurse, after earlier claiming to be the 'real' nurse (something which you referred to as a 'plot twist').

Apparently being laughably inconsistent is the way to get the town to lynch their nurse.

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Count Dooku

Now that I've hit the execution threshold he's suddenly NOT THE REAL NURSE.


Well to start with The Executioner does not have to use his power.

I think most people have figured out by now who I am. But I don't blame you for trying to save your own butt. I would do the same. And if I could use my power on myself tonight I would. But because the way this dumb ass role is set up that's not possible.

So by calling you out I also put a very large target on my back and will probably be taken out tonight.

If people want me to say what my role is.

Say please(hug)

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chiefsonny
 

No Journalist messages today? :(

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MajorasMask9

I'd like to openly request that he/she kill chief if Dooku does turn out to be the nurse


And I 2nd that request.{y}

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chiefsonny
 

My vote for you Dooku, is mainly to settle this. In the games I've played, the power roles don't usually survive and are only sometimes helpful to the town. The nurse role is only sort of helpful. Yes it can stop a night kill but if it's used on a town power role, it blocks that role's nght action which isn't helpful. If the Town has to lose a power role, I'd say the Nurse is the least useful and most expendible given the Watcher and Tracker as the other two possibilities. So if you really are the Nurse, I'm sorry.

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Lady Flare

I'd say the Nurse is the least useful


You're right on. And that's why my plan was to keep a low profile until I was fairly sure who was in a role, since you have to protect by name and not role.

I never thought anyone would Role Claim my role this soon in the game. But as they say "the best laid plans of mice and men, are just plans"

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chiefsonny
 

Wellllll looks like this is how it's going to go, hopefully we'll get some good information though.

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Shadowwalked

I just don't see why chiefsonny would counterclaim Nurse if Dooku actually was the Nurse. If Dooku is, chiefsonny has basically tied the noose around his own neck, and I don't think he'd do that.

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Apollo Justice

Round ending in just a moment...

April 8, 2014
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white lancer

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