Mafia

JO NATHAN WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!! :(

This...definitely isn't how A Christmas Carol ended.

This is a no brainer in my opinion.

Given the time stamps of the posts, either cheif was just F5ing the thread over and over, waiting for someone to vote for Castrael, or it was planned. It didn't take Jo long to figure out his "mistake" either. You would think that if he had realized he fucked up that badly, he would have noticed that the kill ratio was wrong.

also, obligatory "rigged game" complaint

So this is the info I have.

Night 0 gave a ray to white lancer. He then targeted white thunder, which made me assume that he had used the ray and determined that he was at least a townie.

Night 1 gave a ray to castrael. She never reported who she used it on, but she kept going after to me which made me think she was mafia.

Night 2 gave the ray to jo nathan

and last night i gave the ray to white thunder.

I'd be much happier if I were in the mafia. Hardly surprising that they'd off one of the confirmed innocents...

Question: Is Santa Claus allowed to protect themselves during the night with the elixer?

Additionally, I don't think we should rush to put votes on Jo Nathan just yet. I admittedly haven't found him particularly suspicious putting aside the end of last round. I'm not willing to lynch him solely based on that though when we also threw FAW's name up in the air.

Jo is certainly suspicious but I'm willing to let him speak before we vote.

I poke my head out of the gutter for one freakin second and fate shovels shit in my face. (facepalm)

Damn it to hell.... I can't say enough how sorry I am for that. I was busy packing last night so I was in a bit of a rush and didn't notice the five-vote cut-off. I had no idea what was going on when chief voted right after me and then I realized what had happened. I'm so sorry Cas, and sorry to everyone else for that matter. I don't blame anyone who would want to take me out at this point.

Just to let you all know, I'm away on a business trip this week so my availability is going to be intermittent.

Hayl

I don't think voting for Jo Nathan is a good idea. I honestly don't think he's done anything suspicious. In Days 1 and 2, he went out of his way to look for the silence word along with Roxas. He even openly thought that "nice" was the silence word in the first round, when it obviously wasn't. He's been generally helpful and his only slip-up was voting for Castrael last round. I'm willing to forgive him for this because it was similar to my mistake with Helius, so I understand that it's more than possible to make mistakes.

Jo Nathan never did anything else that strikes me as overly suspicious on its own so I'm not ready to lynch him solely based on him being the second to last vote for Castrael.

so i wanna say dookus onlys been replying to jump on innocent votes. been real low key. so ima take my last guess on him

Also, if Jo Nathan used his x-ray specs, he should probably reveal the results before he ends up dead.

Why you little...

Blegh, this game has me at a loss. I've been too busy with school to pay attention but the loss of Castrael (who by talking to her on IM had me convinced of her innocence entirely by her behavior) has me on edge. I have no idea why she was thought to be guilty (shocked) I'm gonna read back through Day 3... then I will be back to spot out some humbugs (shifty)

Okay I'm back (pretty fast yeah but meh), and first off, losing Castrael the way we did SUCKED big time. And how the hell was she suspicious really? You could tell that was an innocent newbie player trying to figure the game out. Plus the round might have turned out WAY different if the tally hadn't been so off. Us townies should get a free humbug kill for that rubbish!

My opinion: Jo Nathan or FAW are probably Mafia (shifty) They're not *that* suspicious but Jo Nathan's vote for Castrael seemed meh, and the people who were voting down FAW have pretty good instincts - plus she may have been covered by her fellow humbugs.

Maybe they are just red herrings, but they seem to be the most obvious right now. We can NOT afford to mislynch again, cuz if we do, game over and Donald Duck's evil uncle wins big. (cry)

Here's what I personally think we should do for this day round:

1)CtR is most likely telling the truth about being Santa. This means that Jo Nathan has had a night to use his x-ray specs. Our first priority is to find out the result he got and act accordingly based on the information.

2)If Jo Nathan has an innocent then I think we might have better luck looking at FAW. I still think she's definitely a humbug.

For the night, White Thunder should use the X-ray specs on someone who hasn't posted a lot or has been kind of... out of character? (ie hezekiah, Dooku, etc).

The mafia will have to decide on whether or not they want to kill White Thunder, CtR, or someone else. If they leave White Thunder alive, he'll be revealing his x-ray results. If they leave CtR alive, though, he'll just give other players gifts. Either way, we'll still have a relative advantage going into the next day round.

I think we still have a shot at this and we need to get our information sorted before making our vote for this day round. We only have one more day IRL left to take care of this, and we have to lynch correctly, so we best get our information together soon.

I'm leaving for a while, but I'll be back later to post some more of my thoughts and whatever.

... Well. After coming back after lots of work and finals at school (which I still have until Monday), I'm glad I wasn't voted off while I was gone. Though I do feel bad for Cas for the way she left and about the fact that I was wrong about her guilt.
Though I do want to say, that I don't think the reasons for lynching me are valid ( not to mention it'll definitely cost us the game and I think we still may have a chance :/) I'm "more" active cuz in the last game I was in, I completely vanished which almost cost the town the game an I don't really want to repeat that.

Now to this round. I also don't think that Jo is a humbug and think lynching him is a bad idea. If I had to go for anyone this round it would either be Dooku or trever. Trever has not voted AT ALL during this whole game, which makes him suspicious to me. And Dooku just seems so nonchalant.

For the night, White Thunder should use the X-ray specs on someone who hasn't posted a lot or has been kind of... out of character? (ie hezekiah, Dooku, etc).

I'm open to suggestions but those were my two thoughts, as well as Trever.

I think hezekiah has been suspicious as well, but I'm not sure if I'm ready to vote for him. He's only jumped in a few times and has acted uninterested in the game. Which could be true, but I know he pulled a stunt like this in a game a while back when he was mafia, where he pretended to be inactive for almost two full rounds when he wasn't. Him saying that he didn't have a night action (which should prove him innocent as the night rounds have not gone the full 24 hours yet) proves nothing because there's no way to know if he was online during the Night round or not. Also the fact that he only came to vote for Castrael last round was kind of fishy.

But it's so hard to get a read on him because of his inactivity.

But it's so hard to get a read on him because of his inactivity.

Mind you Hezekiah typically makes a...

killing...

when he's mafia due to his inactivity.

booooooooo

You deserve this.

I think we're looking at serpe and Count as mafia members. I'm not sure about COunt, but serpe has said almnost nothing game-related in the few posts he/she's posted. Count has had few posts, and has jumpbed on innocent votes.

I came into this round expecting to die, and I didn't think coming back here to call someone out would help my cause, especially since we are at the do-or-die point. But since people really want to know, I'll let you know - if Dooku's play on words isn't enough to get him lynched, his x-ray results should. He's a plain-vanilla humbug.

Almost forgot.

I guess I might as well reveal my Rudolph results as well. I spied on Jacob Marley last round.



I think the mafia were a bit confused on how my role works (I pick a name as my night action, and the spy results are more of a "day action" that I get the next day. Them roleblocking me, if they did that, is just going to give me no results next round). IMO, this confirms Jo Nathan is without a doubt Jacob Marley. Him and chief were the only two online during the time Castrael got lynched. Not to mention how shady that vote for Castrael was at the last minute. I've got other thoughts about other players as well, but I just want to cut the "I think Jo Nathan is innocent" act in case people actually decide to vote for someone else.

Only reason I didn't mention this or my suspicions of Jo Nathan earlier in the round was because I wanted to get as much discussion out of the round as possible. I hope this isn't too big a problem :/.

I believe that would mean CD is innocent. Leaving CD, mmm9, thunder, and myself as innocent.

And I'd probably go with hezzy as innocent too.

Welp, Jo Nathan just plain lied.

God, I really want to vote for Dooku based on that awful pun. But I won't, since I think he's innocent.

Its true though, I had to literally threaten to halt all lynch votes forever unless the town killed you that one game when I was Governor.

Didn't say it wasn't true, Mr. Dadabo.

I have to go take a test and there's some other stuff going on tonight so I may not be back for a while. Right now it seems evident that JN is Humbug but when I get back I'm going to look at it more closely, and there's something in the past rounds in particular that is bugging me. I'll vote for him for now but I'd hope we don't end the round before I get back.

Didn't say it wasn't true, Mr. Dadabo.

Thatsnotmynameyoumustbemafia

At least murder Dooku tonight, mafia.

And I'd probably go with hezzy as innocent too.

But not me? o ok

Ah man thats right. if Jo nat is mafia, that's game won for the villagers

tbs

Mafia ain't got the hangers to come after me. I'm a man. I'm 40.

@CtR: Jo Nathan is definitely mafia. There is too much pointing to it.

Take into consideration the obvious evidence: the Rudolph result and the Castrael vote shenanigans. Throw other bits of information on top of that and it's almost impossible to believe Jo is innocent.

-At the start of this round, he claimed he wasn't aware of the five vote limit. Look back at his vote for Castrael last round; he was obviously aware of the limit based on his reaction to chief's vote. If he wasn't aware of the limit, why didn't he change his vote? Point is, he lied about his knowledge of last round's five vote limit in order to make it seem like it was just an unfortunate coincidence.
-His reasoning for not revealing xray results right away doesn't make much sense. If you're town-sided and get a guilty verdict, I'm pretty sure the natural response would be to post the information despite whether or not it will be believed. Especially when a mislynch will result in a loss.
-Maybe not a very direct form of evidence, but the fact that he hasn't replied back to counter the claim is suspicious in itself. He posted at the same minute as the post where I voted for him, so he's been around since then. If he was town sided he'd have most likely immediately replied telling me off or something. Instead, I imagine there's some discussion going on in the mafia thread.

It's very likely that Dooku, CtR, The Bandit, and myself are innocent. I'm not entirely sold on White Thunder's innocence, but I kind of want to believe him. Hezekiah seems likely to be innocent. If we can make sure that the six of us are innocent, all that's left are the humbugs, which if we assume the above to be true, would be: Jo Nathan, FAW, Serpe, Trever, and chief.

That list is still debatable, but Jo Nathan has to be one of them.

-At the start of this round, he claimed he wasn't aware of the five vote limit. Look back at his vote for Castrael last round; he was obviously aware of the limit based on his reaction to chief's vote. If he wasn't aware of the limit, why didn't he change his vote? Point is, he lied about his knowledge of last round's five vote limit in order to make it seem like it was just an unfortunate coincidence.

I dont think it would have counted had he changed his vote.

His reasoning for not revealing xray results right away doesn't make much sense. If you're town-sided and get a guilty verdict, I'm pretty sure the natural response would be to post the information despite whether or not it will be believed. Especially when a mislynch will result in a loss.

good point. but he said hes on a business trip

It makes perfect sense that the jacob marley line would have been said by him. However, as chief said they could use rudolphs power against us.

Not voting for someone this round is the same as giving up. If you think there is someone else who is more suspicious, feel free to bring it up.

Not the point. He claimed he didn't know that the round would end in 5 votes. If he didn't know the round would end, why didn't he change his vote, even if it technically did nothing?



That doesn't prove his innocence though. After my post, he was online for around an hour afterward at least.



Going into the night round, I assumed this would be the case. However Marley's reply is too genuine-looking. Jo and chief were the only two online during the time Castrael was killed. This is how I imagine it went down:

-Jo Nathan votes for Castrael in the main thread.
-Jo Nathan posts in mafia thread.
-Chiefsonny votes for Castrael, "ending the round"
-Jo Nathan posts in mafia thread about how he messed up his last reply, since he didn't see chief vote.

If Jo Nathan was innocent, whoever Jacob Marley is would have had to have the foresight to know that an innocent person and chief would vote for Castrael at the same time, which is impossible. Jacob Marley assumed that the round had already ended (despite Feral never "officially" starting the night round), and as such figured I wouldn't see any posts from that point on. He roleblocked me to prevent me from getting a result, but I had already gotten my result when the Night started.

So I guess technically it is possible for someone else to be Jacob Marley, but they would have to be able to see the future.

Are we really going to play Mafia games using the "People" tab on the website? Because if that's the kind of game we're playing I might just not even bother anymore.

I apologize for that little outburst. I just think that goes against the spirit of the game.

^ I would have known you were active regardless of the people tab, because of how close together our posts were.

Knowing whether or not someone is online shouldn't be a problem in a mafia game IMO. Activity should be assumed rather than inactivity; but changes in activity are a downside of forum-based mafia. I'm more tired of mafia players that more or less hide behind inactivity as a free pass.

Had this been a confrontation in IRL mafia, your silence would have been suspicious, because we'd know you were there. Here, you could easily just be talking it out with the mafia to come up with a way out, then blame the silence on being away. I don't see how knowing you were online is unfair.

Are we really going to play Mafia games using the "People" tab on the website? Because if that's the kind of game we're playing I might just not even bother anymore.

That's actually completely within reason to use those tools. There's no lack of gaming spirit or anything, it's just how stuff works.

People pointing at me again, apparently I'm suspicious once again for reasons that are typically the opposite of why everyone else is suspicious. (facepalm) Seriously, FAW says I'm suspicious for NOT voting yet this game? And yet other people are suspicious for voting against innocents at the last minute? Is anyone catching how backwards this logic is?! Keep my game history, I never vote unless I'm above 90% sure of someone's guilt. The only time I ended up voting for an innocent so far was the one game I played a Mafia.

Anyway, reading over this... Jo Nathan still seems to be one of the most obvious picks, especially due to Rudolph's reveal of information. So BAH this, you humbug! {:P}

Keep my game history, I never vote unless I'm above 90% sure of someone's guilt.

Should say "I'm keeping to my game history"

And really, check it out briefly. Anyone who has been keeping tabs knows this to be true. I've been Mafia ONE time in all my games, you people should know my townie playing style by now.

Sorry about not getting too involved. I've been busy with irl stuff. I read some of the posts, and to me it does look like Jo is Mafia. So my vote's going in.

Jo I'm so sorry.

Bah... I was not in a good mood this morning. My point still stands but I apologize for being an ass about it.

I never expected for one second that I was going to survive this round and I'm surprised I'm still here.

No free wifi in O'Hare is so stupid. Typing on this phone is a pain.

Sigh.... I didn't want to have to role claim and expose myself but it looks like I have no choice now.

I'm Santa. CtR has obviously used witchcraft to guess who had received gifts.

And Serpe, that face is what you will look like when I leave reindeer poop in your stockings on Christmas. >:(

That's just kind of sad.

Well santa, I sure do hope I'm on your naughty list for lying ;)

No quick chief vote this time. : /

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