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day 4 or game over

Posted February 21, 2013 by white lancer

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From a distance, the Town members could see two figures holding hands and sitting with their backs against the fountain. The [g]Lovers[/g]. There was no doubt in anyone's mind that the gunshots had come from here, but everyone knew the Lovers had a bulletproof vest between them. So did the right one have it on last night?

The bloodstains covering one of the two figures made it obvious that the answer to that question was 'no.' [b]Chiefsonny[/b] lay peppered with bullets all across his midsection, while [b]Xhin[/b], the vest wrapped tightly about his shoulders, had dried blood coating each of his slit wrists.

As [b]Castrael[/b] leaned in to make sure both were truly dead, she suddenly felt herself grabbed from behind and her face plunged into the water of the fountain. The air began to drain from her lungs, but she fought and kicked and managed to break free momentarily only to look upon the face of [b]Count Dooku[/b], the [r]Mafioso[/r]. He grinned at her and reached into his pocket, and when she tried to run she was caught by [b]hezekiah[/b], the [r]Traitor[/r]. It was all she could do to watch as Dooku produced the instrument by which he would end her life...

...a spoon.

With hezekiah restraining her, Castrael could do nothing as Dooku advanced. The shiny metal of the now-sinister looking piece of silverware glinted in the sunlight as he prepared to drive it into her...well, let's just say that the oracular member of the Town would soon be missing her ocular organs. As the screams of the dying [g]Oracle[/g] echoed through the morning air, the rest of the Town scattered.

[b]CtR Black[/b], [g]Townie[/g], didn't get far. Just two days after he had wondered how much the services of the Town [r]Hooker[/r] would cost him, he found himself getting a rather unwelcome visit free-of-charge, as [b]MajorasMask9[/b] sprang out from behind a corner and got him right in the eyes with a can of pepper spray (cleverly disguised as perfume). And by "got him in the eyes," I mean he smashed it across poor CtR's face. With CtR falling to the ground, it was a simple matter for the Mafia's most fashionable member to waltz on over. A single stomp of MM9's sharpened stiletto heel into CtR's throat was enough to finish the job.

Meanwhile, after a blistering chase through the alleyways of the Town, [b]Jo Nathan[/b] and [b]Black Yoshi[/b] somehow managed to come face to face on top of a conveniently flat and dusty rooftop. They stared at one another for a few cinematically appropriate moments before Jo Nathan spoke up. "I knew you had to be the ringleader in all this. Well, not 'knew' in the strictest sense of the word, but I figured you were one of the 11 most likely people to be the [r]Godfather[/r]."

Black Yoshi's smirk turned into a toothy smile and then into a full-on cackle as he stalked forward, knife in hand. "That sort of thinking is exactly how you got yourself in this situation in the first place. Thanks for doing a lot of our work for us...and say hello to White Thunder for me." Jo Nathan turned to run, but, just as the Town had been doing the entire game, he tripped over himself and fell, and Yoshi was on him in an instant, cutting and sawing with his vicious knife. As to what specifically happened to our last [g]Townie[/g], I won't say, except to make the completely random observation that Yoshis are well-known for their voracious appetite...

Ahem. Here's the final roster for the game:

1. Black Yoshi -- [r]Godfather[/r]
2. MajorasMask9 -- [r][s]Ballot Forger[/s] Hooker[/r]
3. [s]chiefsonny[/s] -- [g]Lover[/g]
4. Jo Nathan -- [g]Townie[/g]
5. [s]White Thunder[/s] -- [g]Townie[/g]
6. [s]'Roxas'[/s] -- [g]Townie[/g]
7. [s]Female Alpha Wolf[/s] -- [g]Dreamer[/g]
8. hezekiah -- [r]Traitor[/r]
9. Castrael -- [g]Oracle[/g]
10. Count Dooku -- [r]Mafioso[/r]
11. CtR Black -- [g]Townie[/g]
12. [s]Xhin[/s] -- [g]Lover[/g]

After the sudden shift to a no-kill on the end of what most presumed would be the last day, the Town just had to go home and hope that some miracle would save them. They cowered in their beds as gunshots rang out in the night, and the next morning they approached the fountain in the middle of town fearing the worst.

From a distance, the Town members could see two figures holding hands and sitting with their backs against the fountain. The Lovers. There was no doubt in anyone's mind that the gunshots had come from here, but everyone knew the Lovers had a bulletproof vest between them. So did the right one have it on last night?

The bloodstains covering one of the two figures made it obvious that the answer to that question was 'no.' Chiefsonny lay peppered with bullets all across his midsection, while Xhin, the vest wrapped tightly about his shoulders, had dried blood coating each of his slit wrists.

As Castrael leaned in to make sure both were truly dead, she suddenly felt herself grabbed from behind and her face plunged into the water of the fountain. The air began to drain from her lungs, but she fought and kicked and managed to break free momentarily only to look upon the face of Count Dooku, the Mafioso. He grinned at her and reached into his pocket, and when she tried to run she was caught by hezekiah, the Traitor. It was all she could do to watch as Dooku produced the instrument by which he would end her life...

...a spoon.

With hezekiah restraining her, Castrael could do nothing as Dooku advanced. The shiny metal of the now-sinister looking piece of silverware glinted in the sunlight as he prepared to drive it into her...well, let's just say that the oracular member of the Town would soon be missing her ocular organs. As the screams of the dying Oracle echoed through the morning air, the rest of the Town scattered.

CtR Black, Townie, didn't get far. Just two days after he had wondered how much the services of the Town Hooker would cost him, he found himself getting a rather unwelcome visit free-of-charge, as MajorasMask9 sprang out from behind a corner and got him right in the eyes with a can of pepper spray (cleverly disguised as perfume). And by "got him in the eyes," I mean he smashed it across poor CtR's face. With CtR falling to the ground, it was a simple matter for the Mafia's most fashionable member to waltz on over. A single stomp of MM9's sharpened stiletto heel into CtR's throat was enough to finish the job.

Meanwhile, after a blistering chase through the alleyways of the Town, Jo Nathan and Black Yoshi somehow managed to come face to face on top of a conveniently flat and dusty rooftop. They stared at one another for a few cinematically appropriate moments before Jo Nathan spoke up. "I knew you had to be the ringleader in all this. Well, not 'knew' in the strictest sense of the word, but I figured you were one of the 11 most likely people to be the Godfather."

Black Yoshi's smirk turned into a toothy smile and then into a full-on cackle as he stalked forward, knife in hand. "That sort of thinking is exactly how you got yourself in this situation in the first place. Thanks for doing a lot of our work for us...and say hello to White Thunder for me." Jo Nathan turned to run, but, just as the Town had been doing the entire game, he tripped over himself and fell, and Yoshi was on him in an instant, cutting and sawing with his vicious knife. As to what specifically happened to our last Townie, I won't say, except to make the completely random observation that Yoshis are well-known for their voracious appetite...

Ahem. Here's the final roster for the game:

1. Black Yoshi -- Godfather
2. MajorasMask9 -- ~~Ballot Forger~~ Hooker
3. ~~chiefsonny~~ -- Lover
4. Jo Nathan -- Townie
5. ~~White Thunder~~ -- Townie
6. ~~'Roxas'~~ -- Townie
7. ~~Female Alpha Wolf~~ -- Dreamer
8. hezekiah -- Traitor
9. Castrael -- Oracle
10. Count Dooku -- Mafioso
11. CtR Black -- Townie
12. ~~Xhin~~ -- Lover

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1. [b]The Mafia's nightkill of FAW[/b]--This one really hurt for you guys, because the Dreamer is a powerful role and would have had three nights to gather information if FAW had survived the night. If the Mafia had gone with what appeared to be their second choice, they would have accidentally offed one of their own (leaving you guys with a 6-3 ratio), and if FAW had come forward that day, Castrael's innocence would have been confirmed and Black Yoshi would have been highly suspect. If you had voted out Yoshi that day based on the Dreamer report, Xhin, chief, and Jo would have been confirmed innocent and the Mafia would have had a hard time winning the game. A lot wound up hinging on that decision and I'm still not even sure why FAW was chosen as a target--did you Mafia members have even an inkling that FAW was a power role?

2. [b]The general lack of investment[/b]--I think this was a big one that really helped the Mafia. My philosophy about setting up Mafia games is that when in doubt, you should lean the games a little toward the Mafia. The reason for this, and the reason the Town wins more often, is because it's harder to lie convincingly and consistently than it is to figure out when other people are lying or playing inconsistently. That's why you see so many Mafia players going for an under-the-radar game--it's a lot less work and it's harder to slip up. When people aren't active or engaged in the game, though, this part doesn't apply because it's a lot easier for the Mafia to slip through the game without saying or doing much of consequence--they don't have to post as often, and people aren't looking as closely for signs. I remember noting more than one post of Yoshi's that seemed super sketch and I was surprised no one jumped on him for them; even worse than that, though, is the fact that NO ONE other than Castrael picked up on MM9's inactivity. That just blew my mind.

3. [b]The Town was too single-minded[/b]--This kinda ties into the Town's not being engaged, but this game was reminiscent of the one waaaaay back when LLight was the Cop and half the Town was 100% confident he was guilty. The main problem with that isn't that it can lead to a single mislynch, it's that by focusing on one target you tend to pay less attention to others and so you miss the more subtle cues in others' posts. This also leads to you interpreting other's actions in light of your false suspicion, giving you more wrong suspicions (I've fallen into this trap before, so I understand it).

So, yeah. In hindsight, I probably should have anticipated quieter early rounds based on Thunder's game and made the ratio a little less demanding (although 9-3 is a pretty steep hill for a Mafia to climb anyway). I think the setup (sans Ballot Forger) could have worked had everyone been engaged in the game, but as it was it took people too long to get into it for the Town to do much. Player scores will be up soon, and I'll be frank: I wouldn't expect there to be many 'good player' points. Neither side was particularly committed to the game and so brilliant play was a rarity (at least it'll balance out my last game of hosting, where I was far too generous with the points :P).

Well, that didn't exactly go how I'd hoped. It's true that the game slanted towards the Mafia, but it was far from unwinnable for the Town (at least not after I removed the Ballot Forger). Here's what happened that killed the Town's chances:

1. The Mafia's nightkill of FAW--This one really hurt for you guys, because the Dreamer is a powerful role and would have had three nights to gather information if FAW had survived the night. If the Mafia had gone with what appeared to be their second choice, they would have accidentally offed one of their own (leaving you guys with a 6-3 ratio), and if FAW had come forward that day, Castrael's innocence would have been confirmed and Black Yoshi would have been highly suspect. If you had voted out Yoshi that day based on the Dreamer report, Xhin, chief, and Jo would have been confirmed innocent and the Mafia would have had a hard time winning the game. A lot wound up hinging on that decision and I'm still not even sure why FAW was chosen as a target--did you Mafia members have even an inkling that FAW was a power role?

2. The general lack of investment--I think this was a big one that really helped the Mafia. My philosophy about setting up Mafia games is that when in doubt, you should lean the games a little toward the Mafia. The reason for this, and the reason the Town wins more often, is because it's harder to lie convincingly and consistently than it is to figure out when other people are lying or playing inconsistently. That's why you see so many Mafia players going for an under-the-radar game--it's a lot less work and it's harder to slip up. When people aren't active or engaged in the game, though, this part doesn't apply because it's a lot easier for the Mafia to slip through the game without saying or doing much of consequence--they don't have to post as often, and people aren't looking as closely for signs. I remember noting more than one post of Yoshi's that seemed super sketch and I was surprised no one jumped on him for them; even worse than that, though, is the fact that NO ONE other than Castrael picked up on MM9's inactivity. That just blew my mind.

3. The Town was too single-minded--This kinda ties into the Town's not being engaged, but this game was reminiscent of the one waaaaay back when LLight was the Cop and half the Town was 100% confident he was guilty. The main problem with that isn't that it can lead to a single mislynch, it's that by focusing on one target you tend to pay less attention to others and so you miss the more subtle cues in others' posts. This also leads to you interpreting other's actions in light of your false suspicion, giving you more wrong suspicions (I've fallen into this trap before, so I understand it).

So, yeah. In hindsight, I probably should have anticipated quieter early rounds based on Thunder's game and made the ratio a little less demanding (although 9-3 is a pretty steep hill for a Mafia to climb anyway). I think the setup (sans Ballot Forger) could have worked had everyone been engaged in the game, but as it was it took people too long to get into it for the Town to do much. Player scores will be up soon, and I'll be frank: I wouldn't expect there to be many 'good player' points. Neither side was particularly committed to the game and so brilliant play was a rarity (at least it'll balance out my last game of hosting, where I was far too generous with the points :P).

February 21, 2013

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white lancer

And yes, as usual, I write too much.

February 21, 2013

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white lancer

Congrats to the Mafia for their flawless victory.

Sorry again, Thunder. Not just for lynching you. I definitely feel I went overboard. (ashamed)

NO ONE other than Castrael picked up on MM9's inactivity.

I wouldn't say that. I figured he was one of the 11 most likely people to be the hooker.

February 21, 2013

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Jo Nathan

I wouldn't say that. I figured he was one of the 11 most likely people to be the hooker.

Haha, touch�.

Also, fun fact: Castrael is the only non-Mafia member to cast a vote against a Mafia member with intent to lynch. We can add Jo to that list if we include the joke voting at the beginning of the game.

February 21, 2013

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white lancer

It was tough being the traitor... I had some inklings that I didn't want to act on, most of all that Yoshi was mafia. I did vote for him in Day 2 when it was clear to me that he wouldn't end up being lynched, hoping to draw a bit of info out and confirm my suspicion so I could make contact. I played a similar game with Cas, which went better than I hoped it would; I PMed him (right?) claiming to be the traitor, and he did absolutely nothing with that beyond saying he was town-sided. My thinking was that I would either make contact with the mafia (and they may or may not believe my claim), or talk to a townie and get him lynched by calling him a liar. But I got nothing out of Cas, so I went to plan B of tying the vote. I am surprised that the mafia targeted one of the Lovers, given that they had the BPV that almost caused some major problems. Maybe they just forgot about it?

February 21, 2013

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hezekiah

Entirely my fault. Town, feel free to blame me completely. I probably deserve negative points for that.

February 21, 2013

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White Thunder

I am surprised that the mafia targeted one of the Lovers, given that they had the BPV that almost caused some major problems. Maybe they just forgot about it?

That move cost the Lovers a point for surviving the game.

February 21, 2013

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chiefsonny

@Thunder: It was going to be either you or me. I kinda wish it had been me because you probably would have been more helpful in Day 3 than I was.

I mean, look at the tree I was barking up. I would have killed three innocents in two rounds if I had gotten my way.

February 21, 2013

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Jo Nathan

Well, I certainly wasn't expecting to come out of that one on top, leave alone doing that good a job of hiding my guilt from the Town. Last game I played (that is, way back in Game X), when I was a vanilla Townie, I felt myself more suspicious than this time. Maybe that was a result of the Town's lack of attention, but I was damned sure I would slip up somewhere and found myself dead within the first two rounds or so.

February 21, 2013

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Black Yoshi

For what it's worth, hezy, I thought you were the best player this game. The Traitor role is definitely a difficult one to play because you have to figure out a way to keep from being killed by both sides, but I think you struck about as good a balance as possible. It's also worth mentioning that you had a tougher part to play because you've been singled out as a "power player" before, which means that you were more likely to be targeted by the Mafia and that the Town would have more expectations of you.

@Thunder--I think the game is a bit too complicated to put all the blame for a loss on one person. Obviously, the back-and-forth between you and Jo was harmful to the Town, but so was the one between chief and Castrael, and no one else really had any good grasp on who the Mafia were either. Like I said, Cas is the only person who tried to get an actual Mafia member lynched--I was going to give her a good player point for that, but the fact that she didn't roleclaim in the last day round (and apparently that she knew hezy was the Traitor?) kinda counterbalances that.

And yeah, a bit of a raw deal for the Lovers that hezy's move cost you a survival point, but that's the way it goes sometimes. Your decision on who to use the bulletproof vest on was basically a toss-up so I can't really fault you for guessing wrong.

February 21, 2013

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white lancer

<OO

February 21, 2013

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Female Alpha Wolf

(facepalm)

Lost the game to the Mafia. Sorry you guys. I had a feeling both Yoshi and MM9 were Mafia. When Hezy PMed me, I was sure not to give him my role right there. I questioned Dooks in my head at one point and messaged him via skype saying he was the Mafia. He can comfirm this. He wouldnt have attacked me right away like that.

My apologies go straight to chief and Jo. I didnt know Chief was being sarcastic until the end of the game.

February 21, 2013

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Castrael

When Hezy PMed me, I was sure not to give him my role right there.

Did my PMs factor at all into how you played? As far as I could tell, you took no action at all based on what I said...

February 21, 2013

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hezekiah

I ignored it cause the town wanted to lynch me right away. There would be a lot of convincing and I was confused by Chief's comment at first; like why would he say that? Then I realized it was too late. That's when I changed my vote to Yoshi, remembering about the Lovers.

The PMs helped, yes, but I foolishly ignored them. At first I thought you were a Townie, thinking "oh he's just being helpful" and when I saw you vote for me (I was at work at the time), that really made me think better.

February 21, 2013

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Castrael

It was going to be either you or me. I kinda wish it had been me because you probably would have been more helpful in Day 3 than I was.

Haha, I probably would have been lynched on Day 3 after you turned out innocent.

February 21, 2013

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White Thunder

Aw damn, I just remembered. When hez voted for Yoshi and didn't pick between me and Thunder, I thought "Gee, he's playing it safe. Could be the traitor trying to avoid voting for a teammate." I didn't say anything, and I didn't think about it again. It was a fleeting thought and I never revisited it. >_<

I swear to God I'm going to have to write down every little thing that passes through my mind from now on.

February 21, 2013

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Jo Nathan

I swear to God I'm going to have to write down every little thing that passes through my mind from now on.

I was going to consider that since it gets annoying having to go back and forth to double check on the plays. x.x

I'm going to play better next game.

February 21, 2013

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Castrael

Jo, remember that I followed that up in Day 3 by asking why we weren't going after you. My vote for BY was, as I mentioned in my first reply here, meant to generate discussion (which it kinda did, but only with Cas).

Also, I did consider you the one more likely to be mafia, and didn't want to have myself be attached to the lynch of a townie at that point in time.

February 21, 2013

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hezekiah

Player scores are ready. Note that the very low distribution of good player points doesn't necessarily reflect my opinions of you as players--I think most of y'all are good players and a few of you are excellent ones, and it just didn't really show in this particular game.

4 points:
hezekiah (+2 winning, +1 surviving, +1 good playing)

3 points:
Count Dooku (+2 winning, +1 surviving)
Black Yoshi (+2 winning, +1 surviving)
MajorasMask9 (+2 winning, +1 surviving)

1 point:
Castrael (+1 surviving)
CtR Black (+1 surviving)
Jo Nathan (+1 surviving)

So, yeah. Gave hezy the only player point because I think he played the Traitor role right, but I'm not sure that the way he played was necessarily crucial to the Mafia's victory so I didn't go beyond that. The rest of the Mafia played well enough to survive and win, but I think that's already reflected in the winning/survival points and they didn't really have to do anything special to do either. I did consider points for Dooku, Yoshi, and even FAW and am willing to listen to arguments on them all, but to me this feels like the right point distribution.

Also, I'm ready to open up sign-ups for the next game whenever. There was a little bit less enthusiasm for this game, though, so I want to hear what other people think about moving on to the next game before starting those up.

February 21, 2013

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white lancer

My vote for BY was, as I mentioned in my first reply here, meant to generate discussion

Well yeah, I did see that. I'm just saying what had gone through my mind back in Round 2, that's all. I find it slightly eerie.

I originally was planning to keep plowing through these games until I had enough points to host, but I'm thinking maybe the rest of the players can use a break from me and my eff-ups. {:P}

February 21, 2013

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Jo Nathan

Bah, you people are too hard on yourselves when it comes to mess-ups in this game. I made a serious mistake in the Halloween game when I tried to vote JN off the first day. I was also unable to be persuasive enough to convince anyone to vote MM9 off last time. Neither of those make me a bad player or made me have any less fun playing the game, and while I may experience some momentary frustration when someone doesn't play things the way I think they should, that passes pretty easily because I remember that EVERYONE has screwed up before in these games.

Personally, I think the game is more fun when people don't play perfectly every time. It would get pretty boring otherwise. {:P}

February 21, 2013

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white lancer

Not to mention that you didn't really screw up any more than most of the rest of the Town, JN.

February 21, 2013

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white lancer

Thanks lancer. That was actually just a joke (although my track record is a tad embarrassing), but I might take a break so I can come back to another fresh start.

If my arch nemesis makes a return, though, I don't think I can stay away and let him have it easy... (shifty)

February 21, 2013

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Jo Nathan

You should give me a point so I'll be closer to a new medal :(

Flawless argument

February 21, 2013

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Female Alpha Wolf

Give FAW one of my points, since the only reason she died so early was because I was afraid it'd be too difficult to talk the town into lynching her at some point.

We just got really lucky in that she happened to be the Dreamer.

February 21, 2013

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Count Dooku

because I was afraid it'd be too difficult to talk the town into lynching her at some point.

I'll take that as a compliment.

February 21, 2013

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Female Alpha Wolf

DAMMIT

February 21, 2013

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Xhin

Sky's the limit

Bravo.

February 22, 2013

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`Roxas`

I'm a little iffy on the idea of transferring points, even for bad luck that prevents you from surviving--pretty much everyone dies early in one game or another (believe me, I know -_-), so I don't want to start a precedent of giving points to players just because they didn't have time to do much.

February 24, 2013

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white lancer

When Hezy PMed me, I was sure not to give him my role right there.

Noone pmed me :(

February 24, 2013

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CtR Black

Laaaancer, when's the next game? Feral's wondering. :P

Noone pmed me :(

Poor CTR Black. D:

February 24, 2013

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Castrael

I was actually planning on getting the sign-ups up today. ^^

February 24, 2013

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white lancer

I was going to ask soon too... :|

February 24, 2013

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`Roxas`

February 25, 2013

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