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day 7 the end draws near

Posted April 8, 2013 by Count Dooku

That night, Helius was preparing to head into town for some investigating. Like any good UFO Hunter, he didn’t believe the lamestream media’s reports about the aliens being dead.

Unfortunately, his investigation was cut short by the Godfather, who stabbed poor Helius repeatedly when he opened the door.

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Player List:

1. Xhin - Alien - DEAD
2. Chiefsonny – Alien – DEAD
3. Redack – Skeptical Sheriff - DEAD
4. Hezekiah
5. Vandy
6. Black Yoshi
7. Helius – UFO Hunter – DEAD
8. Trever Leingod
9. White Thunder
10. `Roxas` - Assassin – DEAD
11. white lancer – Sensor - DEAD
12. Jo Nathan - Alien – DEAD
13. MajorasMask9 - Townie - DEAD
14. Female Alpha Wolf
15. Frustro - Townie – DEAD
16. Castrael – Silencer - DEAD
17. Speed Bike Pro
18. Hindenburg

Town – Mafia - Alien Ratio:

6 – 2 – 0

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72 hours or 6 votes for the same option (to prematurely end the round).

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I'm sorry for ever doubting you, old friend... Rest in peace...

Okay, time to pay back blood with blood. Who we gonna kill, gang!?!

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Speed Bike Pro
 

I don't know. Vandy still seems suspicious to me, given his reactions last round to all of us who voted for him...

...but at this point in the game, with the ration being what it is, a mislynch could screw us over royally.

Holding my vote for now pending further discussion.

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Black Yoshi

Goodbye my friend *takes off hat and has a moment of silence for Helius*

Vandy, I defended you yesterday and you vote for me? (cry) What kind of friend are you?

Yeah looking back on it now, Vandy is the most suspicious. I mean, who tries to vote off someone who defended them? (shifty) I'm not sold on his guilt but I doubt him a bit now.

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Trever Leingod

Because yesterday ended up as a No Kill anyway we could afford a No Kill today again if we really needed to. Hopefully we can figure out something, though. I'm going to start going through the other rounds and look for some patterns. It might take a while, though. School is really starting to pick up right now.

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White Thunder

Okay, Vandy is the sacrificial lamb for today.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

I don't think Vandy voting for Trever is really relevant. Y'all were trying to find put who the DV was. They obviously did not vote yesterday. Since the tie was 2-2: 2 for Vandy. 2 for no kill.

I feel the only reason that he's "suspicious" is because he's a quiet player and made one joke, unlike others in this round that make a joke every post and that's not really that much fore to go on.

So with that said, the people on the list are Vandy, Hezy, and Black Yoshi.

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Female Alpha Wolf

On my list*

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Female Alpha Wolf

Well looking at the voting patterns doesn't give much info. A quick summary:

Day 1 No Kill

Day 2 lynch Xhin. Who voted for him is inconsequential because we were trying to get Sensor results.

Day 3 lynch Cas. The only entirely relevant day. Those who voted for her: MM9 (dead), Speed (probably innocent), hezy, and Hindy. What this says about those two is open- it certainly makes them seem innocent considering only a few of us voted for her but that shouldn't confirm their innocence. But we should look at other people before them. Cas's last words were that she "had her eye" on MM9 and chief, both of whom are now dead, and that she thought Vandy might be an alien.

Day 4 lynch Rox. Easy decision, only those who weren't on in time didn't vote for him (If you were wondering, that was FAW, Vandy, and Frustro.)

Day 5 lynch Frustro. Only Speed voted for him. Very suspicious but without a counter-claim to Outsider he's pretty much set. Chalk this one up to a rookie player. Frustro's last act was to try and put suspicion on FAW.

Day 6 No Kill. A couple votes cast. Helius's last act was a Random vote for Vandy.

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White Thunder

Chalk this one up to a rookie player.

I... I was trying to be the hero... But my instincts failed me and now poor Frustro is dead because of it... (fedup)

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Speed Bike Pro
 

and that she thought Vandy might be an alien.


Come to think of it, I doubt after the disaster that was last game that Cas would be one to oust a teammate like that. Still suspicious of Vandy, but suddenly hesitant to vote him off thanks to Thunder's observation.

I suddenly find myself feeling quite a bit suspicious of FAW now -- her list includes Vandy, who I'm half-positive is innocent now, Hezy, whose playing style this game has shown inconsistancies with his playing style as Mafia (this game he's been quiet, which is normal, but when he's Mafia he's even quieter), and myself.

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Black Yoshi

...to add to that, either she has absolutely no clue who's Mafia or she's specifically trying to point fingers away from herself and her colleague, whoever that might be.

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Black Yoshi

I go to one little baseball game and you guys forget to lynch? Dang it all...

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hezekiah

I put Vandy there because there's still a chance that he could be playing Mafia quietly.

I put you on the list because if Vandy turns out innocent, its kinda suspicious that you've been so keen in voting him off for the past two rounds or so, bringing the attention off of you.

I put Hezy because he has been super quiet and I know that's how he plays as Mafia. From my memory, he has hardly said anything and I think it applies.

And my only colleagues are my fellow Town folks, thank you.

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Female Alpha Wolf

smart kill by the mafia, since helius was basically confirmed innocent

I tried to go through with you guys' plan. I voted for Leingod because we were supposed to all vote for someone different and no one had voted for him. knowing that I'm not the double voter, if our plan had been executed properly then he would have been safe

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Vandy

But my instincts failed me and now poor Frustro is dead because of it...

Happens to the best of us.

I dunno what to think. I don't find Vandy particularly suspicious, but he has avoided attention as Mafia members are prone to do. Same with FAW. It might just come down to dumb luck that we lynch the right random person.

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White Thunder

If I counted right, Trevor, Vandy, Myself, Speed, and Black Yoshi aren't the Double Voter. That leaves Hezekiah, White Thunder, and FAW as potential Double Voters, since no one has claimed it yet.

Therefore,

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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

hezekiah
speed bike pro
hindzburg
vandy
faw
leingod
white thunder
black yoshi

out of the people remaining, the top three all voted for castrael to have her lynched. it is highly unlikely that they are mafia because there were only 4 total votes for castrael on that day so it wasn't necessary for them to vote to make them appear town-sided

on top of that we have castrael's last words:

As far as my voting goes, I have no one in particular, but I do have my eye on Chief and Majora tho. Pretty risky, but also Vandy. I mean, if Majora hadn't vote for Vandy the way he did and he knew it was a bad idea; Alien or not he's still on my list. Vandy, that is. But, for now, I'll be watching again and see if my voice needs to be heard.


I'm going to go ahead and use this in my defense. I mean do you really think castrael is going to make the same mistake she did last game and mention one of her own again

so my list is here:

faw
leingod
white thunder
black yoshi

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Vandy

and after looking back, I've noticed that black yoshi has voted for someone almost every round, even though we haven't had much to go on. he will switch to a no kill if everyone else goes in that direction, though. only off thing about this is that he switched from pointing at me to faw. not sure why he would do that if he is mafia

I also noticed that black yoshi tends to vote a lot when he is mafia (from looking at past games)

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Vandy

I'm not Mafia, Vandy.

Come to think of it, since we got rid of the Aliens, Trever has gotten unusually quiet, hasn't he? Mayhap he's just gotten busy with school/work, but it's certainly something to consider...

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Black Yoshi

vandy must die

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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

ah yes, the old "be as useless as possible so the mafia have no reason to kill you" strategy

only works as long as there are people left on your team though

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Vandy

Come to think of it, since we got rid of the Aliens, Trever has gotten unusually quiet, hasn't he? Mayhap he's just gotten busy with school/work, but it's certainly something to consider...

Yes it's school {:P} It's like the second final week of the semester, so there's several group projects I am working on. Four actually, there's one for every class (shifty)

On the mention of the "rid of aliens" thing though, a lot of people have been more talkative. Vandy, FAW, hezekiah. Doesn't necessarily mean anything though. I think they just realized, they are among the last living players, and it's time to participate before the game ends.

Besides that, there's nothing else I can really say that others haven't. I guess I should go back and review people again so we can get something on someone before the round ends.

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Trever Leingod

I am now going to place my vote. This vote is based mostly on instinct and small observations.

I am used to this player being much more active, even with school picking up. He keeps saying that we can afford not to lynch today even though us Townies know that even if the odds are on our sides, that just helps the Mafia more. They can slowly weed us out before we can weed each other out and get actual answers.

He just made very general observations that didn't really help but they also didn't make him too suspicious. He said that we should kill Vandy because he hasn't been active, but neither has he, which from what I recall, is unlike his playing style.

I believe it a combination of school.... and being Mafia.

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Female Alpha Wolf

And the plot thickens...

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Yeah, finals start next week so I've been working on that. I've still been checking in but with the relatively slow pace this game has taken I haven't had a lot to say.

As for a No Kill today, it's strongly preferable to a mislynch. If we No Kill today we'll get an extra day round (Day 9) even if we mislynch tomorrow, but if we mislynch both days it will be over tomorrow night. Vandy's inactivity is not my reason for my suspicion of him, because I don't know his playing style. I also didn't say we "should" lynch him, only that he was most suspicious to me. But if you all insist on killing someone then

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White Thunder

Plz change to Vandy, FAW.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

No I'm not. I'm positive about my pick so I'm going to stick with it.

Hopefully, ya'll change your vote to White Thunder so we can have a better chance at winning.

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Female Alpha Wolf

Gosh... I just wanted you to switch so I could be the majority vote to send Vandy to his demise, but I keep forgetting that it's 2/3s vote. Nvm.

I think I'll sit this day out since I've already murdered literally everyone else.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

I'm seriously considering that now that you brought that up, FAW. I've got three folks in my mind who could potentially be Mafia, and I'm pretty damned sure now that Vandy is not one of them. As Thunder said, Cas thought Vandy might be an Alien, as went her last words before she was lynched. Since Cas was Mafia, if Vandy was Mafia, Cas would only be screwing their team over, and she's been far more careful this game than last.

At the same time, last round when we all turned on Vandy thinking he was Mafia, he turned on us and his language took on all the hallmarks of someone out to kill. That first comment of his in Day 1 may have been a joke...or it may have been him hinting at a role he didn't have so that we would pick up on the supposed pattern and believe he was the UFO Hunter.

I'm torn in half right now, and no coin, but ESPECIALLY no GTx0 coin, will solve this...

Holding my vote for now as we're only eighteen hours into this round and a lot can happen in two IRL days...

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Black Yoshi

Holding my vote for now as we're only eighteen hours into this round and a lot can happen in two IRL days..

Yes, such as people flip-flopping on their votes some more.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Meh I'm not really sold on Vandy or White Thunder being Mafia. Neither has said anything overly suspicious and I'm not into lynching people for being inactive, most especially since I've been lynched for the same darn thing. I'm also a bit less active due to school, so I can't pass judgment on White Thunder for approaching his finals and thus being less active in the game. (facepalm)

Given FAW's reaction to White Thunder, if Vandy turns out to be Mafia, it would be safe to think she's the last one. If Vandy is innocent, well, I guess we need to be crazy careful Day 8's vote and we need to find an actual Mafia member. I looked over the living player's posts and nothing seems overly helpful picking out a suspicious player. If things still are up in the air, I will make a point of posting the results tomorrow so we can make an accurate call before the round ends. {:/}

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Trever Leingod

Sounds like something MAFIA would say, Trever.

I assure you all, I am part of the town. {8D}

I also think we all agree Vandy is innocent, so you can no longer use him as a scapegoat.

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Female Alpha Wolf

stop voting for me dammit

I have good reason to believe that female alpha wolf is town-sided. I'd rather not point out why though

based on my list above that would leave leingod, thunder and black yoshi as the top suspects. I still think black yoshi has been pointing his fingers a little too much

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Vandy

After going back and looking at past rounds (which is how I came to my conclusion about White Thunder), I strongly feel now that Black Yoshi is innocent. Even though he has been pointing fingers here and there, that's mostly because we hardly have anything to go on. Plus he's been helping the town way too much to be guilty.

Which is what brings us... to the List!

FAW's List of Innocents and Mafia!

Confirmed Innocents:
Speed- Outsider

People I believe are Innocent:
Vandy
Black Yoshi

Of course, I am also up there on the list ^

Which leaves:
White Thunder
Trever
Hindy

Now two out of three of those people are Mafia. Since we can afford one mislynch, I think we can win this game {:P}

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Female Alpha Wolf

Holding my vote for now as we're only eighteen hours

32 hours?

My vote for Vandy was pretty much in response to FAW talking about how bad a No Kill would be. If you all want to vote for somebody else, fine by me. The more I think about it, the more I think FAW might be guilty. She picks a random candidate out of nowhere and seems lynch-happy and stuck on me. A No Kill would potentially give us an extra day and give the Mafia more time to slip up. But she seems eager to protect Vandy and is set on lynching someone today, when a mislynch is deathly for us. Just seems off to me.

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White Thunder

If I'm confirmed innocent, does that... Does that mean I'm next to die in my sleep...? (fedup)

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Almost surely, Speed; unless they know for sure who the DV is, they'll off you to avoid narrowing down our options. You should definitely give whatever thoughts you have today, while you still can...


What concerns me most about the recent activity right now is that FAW completely omitted me from her recent list. What am I, chopped liver?

There have been some interesting posts made lately, I'm reconsidering my vote for Vandy. I'm not committed to changing it, but it's a possibility.

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hezekiah

I'm not the only one "protecting" Vandy. I'm only protecting him in the sense that it seems all of us but you (and perhaps Trever) are just about convinced that he is indeed innocent. Why would we lynch someone that we think is innocent? That's kinda backwards.

And I gave my reasons as to why I picked you so its not really random per say.

A No Kill would put the town further in the hole. They would most likely just kill Speed because we already know his role, and continue to hide amongst the confused and quiet lot that we are until we just destroy ourselves and pick randomly, which would be even more devastating and cost us the game. You would know this if you were ONE OF US!



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Female Alpha Wolf

LOL my bad Hezy. I totally forgot you were there {:P}.

Lucky for you (or maybe not), I'm not sure if you should go on the Innocent or Guilty side... (shifty)

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Female Alpha Wolf

Well... Maybe I'm not actually the Outsider... No one has disputed my claim but I think the results would be interesting if you asked everyone individually... {boo}

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Speed Bike Pro
 

This is no time for mind games Speed!

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Female Alpha Wolf

This is almost certainly the time for mind games, I refuse to let these mafia scum drag me down with them. (cry)

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Yeah, but why would they? It's not like you're a non-townie or anything...

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hezekiah

Yeah, but why would they? It's not like you're a non-townie or anything...

As long as they are convinced that I am the Outsider, then I will be murdered during my late-night potty trip since confirmed innocents make their job easier. But I suppose it's time to cast off this foolish facade... Say, we haven't heard much from Hindenburg lately.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

hi

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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

we haven't heard anything from hindenburg the entire game because he just spouts nonsense

faw, if we cross-examine our lists, we both have two matches on the guilty side: leingod and thunder

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Vandy

faw, if we cross-examine our lists, we both have two matches on the guilty side: leingod and thunder

... And the plot thickens some more!

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Female Alpha Wolf

A No Kill would potentially give us an extra day and give the Mafia more time to slip up.


how are you expecting them to "slip up"? I can tell you right now that it will just be a repeat of the last two rounds. lots of, "well no one's really that suspicious so I'm not gonna vote today, maybe tomorrow" OH WAIT WE'RE ALL DEAD

we have to make a move at some point and we're running out of time. or rather, people

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Vandy

Only a truly evil person would want to associate themselves with Lion King 2. How dare you. The first was such a masterpiece... and then blegh.

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White Thunder

Sounds like something MAFIA would say, Trever.


It's also something a townie would say. {:P}

I'm getting highly suspicious of Vandy and FAW's sudden alliance and their similar lists. They've been mostly quiet for nearly the entire game and suddenly they are becoming quite talkative and accusatory. Is it because they are desperate townies afraid to lose, or Mafia eager for their win?

Let’s exam Vandy.

All he said on Day 1:

oo probe me next !

something interesting will may happen :p


Day 2:

can we lynch sbp and hindsburg even if they are town-sided

chances are at least one of them are alien/mafia anyway

Even if they are town-sided… huh.
^ that's a good idea. I don't see a problem with voting for a player that's not participating to gain valuable information

we should only use the number of votes necessary, though, to maximize the sensor's information


He was willing to off a person just for being inactive, which is something I have never liked. Some confirmed innocents (the dead) were for this plan but it doesn’t mean everyone who was for it is innocent.


there hasn't been a reason to vote yet...

the only time I cast a "no kill" or "not voting" vote is when we all decide that we want the round to end early


Enter Day 3:


I've been reading along, just not much to offer. I apologize for being a bit disconnected from this game

I've been trying to see if anyone could be tied in with Xhin. I thought I saw something to bring to attention on leingod but then saw something else to make me think otherwise


Randomly makes a fading accusation at me for no given reason…


I agree that it is a bad idea to kill me
Trever strikes me as a little suspicious for the fact that he defended Xhin last round, and then called chiefsonny out for defending Xhin too:


I was thinking the same thing. but if you'll notice, he made a long post after everyone had started voting for xhin without addressing that part at all. he didn't mention his dislike of random voting until someone else said something about it. if he were an alien trying to defend xhin, I think his defense would have come sooner


not to tie my own noose or anything

but by that logic, all the mafia have to do is not point fingers and you'll never have a reason to vote for them


orr a townie.. I could be a townie too y'know. Jeez


Day 4, he never posted. The round ended pretty quickly because Roxas was the obvious option.

Day 5, nothing again. This round went over the time limit and he still contributed nothing all round.

Day 6:

sorry I didn't respond during the last day. I was reading along, but never took the time to review past days and analyze anyone

@black yoshi: that would have been very upfront and risky if I were the ufo hunter. I was messing around about the probing

right now, Helius's claim as ufo hunter does raise suspicions. but we have no reason to suspect unless someone counter claims


He claims townie role.

townie as well


I'm not helping you losers if you've decided to hang me. just because I asked the aliens to probe me and I haven't contributed much during our town meetings. pshah. I don't have anything to contribute at this point, but neither do any of you, looking left and right. so, I mean, what the hell do you expect me to say

only thing I will say is that the town to mafia ratio will be 5 to 2 come day 7. and if this is how it goes down I hope the mafia kill you !!


I came home a little buzzed last night when I said that (ooo yeah I was probably doing mischievous mafia stuff)

however I still stand by it


the best thing to do is to go back and view previous days when mafia members were being voted for, and look how people (who are still alive) reacted. mainly castrael, because there was no questioning roxas's guilt.

I haven't had time to do that, but I'll try to sometime today



Day 7 (today):

smart kill by the mafia, since helius was basically confirmed innocent

I tried to go through with you guys' plan. I voted for Leingod because we were supposed to all vote for someone different and no one had voted for him. knowing that I'm not the double voter, if our plan had been executed properly then he would have been safe



hezekiah
speed bike pro
hindzburg
vandy
faw
leingod
white thunder
black yoshi

out of the people remaining, the top three all voted for castrael to have her lynched. it is highly unlikely that they are mafia because there were only 4 total votes for castrael on that day so it wasn't necessary for them to vote to make them appear town-sided

on top of that we have castrael's last words:
As far as my voting goes, I have no one in particular, but I do have my eye on Chief and Majora tho. Pretty risky, but also Vandy. I mean, if Majora hadn't vote for Vandy the way he did and he knew it was a bad idea; Alien or not he's still on my list. Vandy, that is. But, for now, I'll be watching again and see if my voice needs to be heard.


I'm going to go ahead and use this in my defense. I mean do you really think castrael is going to make the same mistake she did last game and mention one of her own again

so my list is here:

faw
leingod
white thunder
black yoshi


and after looking back, I've noticed that black yoshi has voted for someone almost every round, even though we haven't had much to go on. he will switch to a no kill if everyone else goes in that direction, though. only off thing about this is that he switched from pointing at me to faw. not sure why he would do that if he is mafia

I also noticed that black yoshi tends to vote a lot when he is mafia (from looking at past games)


ah yes, the old "be as useless as possible so the mafia have no reason to kill you" strategy

only works as long as there are people left on your team though


we haven't heard anything from hindenburg the entire game because he just spouts nonsense

faw, if we cross-examine our lists, we both have two matches on the guilty side: leingod and thunder



A No Kill would potentially give us an extra day and give the Mafia more time to slip up.

how are you expecting them to "slip up"? I can tell you right now that it will just be a repeat of the last two rounds. lots of, "well no one's really that suspicious so I'm not gonna vote today, maybe tomorrow" OH WAIT WE'RE ALL DEAD

we have to make a move at some point and we're running out of time. or rather, people


I actually agree with his reasoning here but that doesn’t confirm his innocence.

Looking back, people having been suspicious of Vandy almost the entire game. MM9 and Helius voted for him at one point.

I'm not the only one "protecting" Vandy. I'm only protecting him in the sense that it seems all of us but you (and perhaps Trever) are just about convinced that he is indeed innocent. Why would we lynch someone that we think is innocent? That's kinda backwards.


Why is FAW claiming most of us are convinced he is innocent? Most of the players here think he is guilty, and he has three votes for him right now. He’d probably have four but Speed is doubting himself after some mistakes.

And why the heck am I a suspect suddenly? I voted no kill yesterday, which is actually what saved Vandy’s life. Had I just not voted, he’d be dead.

My instincts have been fairly on key the whole game, my only overview being that I saw Xhin’s and white lancer’s role in reverse. I made the mistake of saving Vandy once, but after looking over his post history for the game, and his continual insistence of putting me on the guilty party even after I practically saved his life, I’m very certain of his guilt. And if he does turn out to be guilty, you can be absolutely sure FAW is the last member of the Mafia.

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Trever Leingod

Oh and...

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Trever Leingod

But the thing is that he's NOT gonna pop up guilty. He'll pop up innocent. Then we'll be 5-2. Then White Thunder will kill Speed tonight leaving us at 4-2. And that's too close for my liking.

The only reason people aren't moving their vote is because they're still unsure. They don't believe he's truly guilty, and no one has counter claimed me saying that they DON'T believe that he's more innocent than guilty. If anyone does, please say so.

But I beg everyone to take your votes off of Vandy. At least change them to Not Voting or better yet, White Thunder.

But if y'all decide to f us over, then just know that White Thunder and Trever are the last mafia.

Also Treber are you defending or condoning Vandy? You se to be going back and forth in your post...

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Female Alpha Wolf

Defending or condemning* Hard to type on this phone.

And I liked Lion King 2 {:P} it was better than some of the other Disney sequels.

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Female Alpha Wolf

I'M TRYING TO DROP SUBTLE HINTS GUYS

Anyways, time for someone to die.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Condemning him obviously, I voted for him.

But if y'all decide to f us over, then just know that White Thunder and Trever are the last mafia.

You are condemning us with little reasoning. Actually for me, there's no reasoning at all, which makes me all the more suspicious of you and Vandy (shifty) I could understand it if you brought forth evidence, but you just put me on your suspect list for absolutely no given reason.

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Trever Leingod

You never vote for people. Your reasons for Vandy flip flop all over your post and you actually voted. You always, always, ALWAYS say you never vote for people unless you're 99.9% sure and you're not.

To me, it seems more likely you're trying to vote off a Townie to save yourself and White Thunder. That's enough evidence for me.

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Female Alpha Wolf

I'm actually pretty positive Vandy is innocent now based on what's been brought forth this round and what I've seen over the course of the game. Nonetheless, his almost inevitable death at the end of this round will shed some light on who's Mafia and who isn't. If Vandy turns out Guilty, then it's almost guaranteed that FAW is as well, but if Vandy is innocent, that would make Thunder highly likely guilty in my mind.

With that said, mayhap we should examine Speed a bit closer. He claimed Outsider, but that's a particularly easy role for a Mafia to claim since there's almost no way to prove such a claim unless Speed dies, since even if the Sheriff were still alive, the Outsider would turn up Guilty upon invesitgation and therefore be indistinguishable from the Mafioso. And if he turned up Innocent, it would be impossible to tell whether he was Godfather or Town-sided. Mayhap he's actually the Double-Voter, or mayhap he's Mafia, but his "subtle hints" should not be ignored.

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Black Yoshi

I think his subtle hints are directed towards the Madia not killing him tonight {:P}

But seriously. If you don't think Vandy's guilty, don't vote for him. I'd rather not kill someone innocent or at all if no one is gonna listen to me and vote for someone guilty.

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Female Alpha Wolf

You never vote for people. Your reasons for Vandy flip flop all over your post and you actually voted. You always, always, ALWAYS say you never vote for people unless you're 99.9% sure and you're not.

To me, it seems more likely you're trying to vote off a Townie to save yourself and White Thunder. That's enough evidence for me.


Never? I voted for Roxas didn't I? And I have voted off people I thought were guilty in past games.

I said 95% or more sure actually, and I am that sure.

And that's not evidence, because you already had me on the guilty list.

I'm not defending White Thunder actually, but the fact you're pointing fingers at him with little reasoning and defending Vandy so desperately is what has my attention.

And I have no reason to vote off Vandy if he was a townie, since he was already the leading suspect for the past two rounds. If I was a Mafia trying to off a townie, I wouldn't have saved him yesterday with a No Kill vote. A townie could change their mind on something like this if the evidence sways, but a Mafioso would have just sealed the deal and had him killed yesterday.

So your reasoning is flawed all over the map.

You can expect to be inspected next, Ms. Suspicious {:P}

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Trever Leingod

I won't be. Because Vandy will be innocent. Then White Thunder will be next and then you.

And of course you would vote Roxas off. EVERYONE was doing it and it was obvious that he was guilty. If you hadn't, you would have been next on the chopping block and the mafia would have lost another man early.

I have come to right that wrong because I know I'm right! (look)

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Female Alpha Wolf

With that said, mayhap we should examine Speed a bit closer

Please, be gentle... (:$)

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Speed Bike Pro
 

but if Vandy is innocent, that would make Thunder highly likely guilty in my mind.

I'm actually more convinced FAW is guilty at this point, possibly using Vandy as an association in case she gets lynched. But apparently a No Kill is a terrible idea and only one a Mafia would pick, so I cast my vote because Vandy is still the second best option in my mind.

But then FAW says

I'd rather not kill someone innocent or at all

Despite the fact that she used my idea of a No Kill as a main reason that I was Mafia.

Heck, why not. We all seem to be "Vandy is innocent but we need to kill someone". That's usually a formula for disaster.

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White Thunder

Also there's no reason at all to look at Speed without a counterclaim.

April 10, 2013
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White Thunder

This will probably make you guys think I'm guilty but whatever. Just following the facts on this one.

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White Thunder

I get the vote for FAW, she seems more suspect in this round alone than Vandy has most of the game. Her reasoning is totally wacked (a sign of dishonesty, aka Mafia). I actually would have cast my vote for her, but I suspect Vandy as well and he's much more likely to be the winning vote.

Also there's no reason at all to look at Speed without a counterclaim.

I agree, there's no counterclaim, so he's either innocent or the real outsider has been a bad townie by allowing Speed to fool us. I'll bet on the former.

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Trever Leingod

I agree, there's no counterclaim, so he's either innocent or the real outsider has been a bad townie by allowing Speed to fool us.

Say, we haven't heard much from Hindenburg lately. -me


pls

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Speed Bike Pro
 

... if Hindenburg is the Outsider Speed, why did you claim it?

And why hasn't he counterclaimed?

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Female Alpha Wolf

... if Hindenburg is the Outsider Speed, why did you claim it?

I was thinking about claiming UFO Hunter a couple days ago. Some people just want to watch the world burn. (evil)

And why hasn't he counterclaimed?

Boy, I wish I knew! I don't know what Hindy's role is, he could be the Double Voter for all I know, but since no one counterclaimed Outsider then I'm assuming it could be Hindy. Wolves don't run alone, don'tcha know. (feral)

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Speed Bike Pro
 

I was thinking about claiming UFO Hunter a couple days ago. Some people just want to watch the world burn.

So that means you or him are Mafia and you pushed your own under the bus or something?

Seriously though, that puts you in a bad position. If someone counterclaimed you, we would have killed one or both of you (depending on if the first was guilty) Why would you do that? (shocked)

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Trever Leingod

Then you would shoulder the burden of killing an innocent man, just as I have done... Misery just wants some company... (death)

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Speed Bike Pro
 

You're odd one, Speed. Really you are.

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Trever Leingod

He is just a fucker, plain and simple. He fucks and that's all he knows how to do.

Men like us, however, make decisions before fucking. Important men. Sophisticated men. DIE VANDY

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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Can this round get any worse? (facepalm)

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Female Alpha Wolf

Can this round get any worse?

Yes it could, there could be more Lion King 2 clips posted.

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White Thunder

Yes it could, there could be more Lion King 2 clips posted.

LOL! {troll}

April 10, 2013
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Trever Leingod

on my phone so won't write much til later, though I'm really itching to. sbp I thought you and I would be able to bond over an evening of discussing mgs. I guess.. I was wrong about you..

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Vandy

Yes, we get it Vandy.

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White Thunder

Looking back, people having been suspicious of Vandy almost the entire game. MM9 and Helius voted for him at one point.


you forget to mention that mm9 quickly changed his vote and said that would be a bad idea. and Helius's vote was random, the round we agreed to all vote for a different person to see who the double voter was. aren't you a skillful painter

I was suspicious of you early on for being an alien because you were pushing people away from xhin. if you'll look at your own quotes I defended you there, anyway

as for why you're a suspect, you can look at my list and see why. since faw seems certain that black yoshi is innocent, there are only two left on my list, so yeah

April 10, 2013
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Vandy

sbp I thought you and I would be able to bond over an evening of discussing mgs. I guess.. I was wrong about you.

Vandy raises a REALLY good point here.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

I'm still a mite suspicious, but now I'm almost certain Vandy is innocent.

April 10, 2013
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Black Yoshi

So, about 14 hours left. Any last thoughts, ladies and gentlemen?

April 11, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

if he turns out to be innocent we should go for leingod

but at that point, everyone will think that faw and I are mafia. and I wouldn't blame you at that point

April 11, 2013
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Vandy

MGS...? My God, I was about to make a horrible mistake. (:S)

April 11, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Ugh, guess my goose is cooked. I think I'm done with this game for a while, it's starting to get ridiculous. Please take out FAW after I die, once I turn out innocent it should be obvious that she's guilty.

April 11, 2013
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White Thunder

Wow, that was a quick turn around... (no) Looks like this round is over.

If WT's innocent I'm gonna scold you all real good tomorrow (facepalm)

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Trever Leingod

If WT's innocent I'm gonna scold you all real good tomorrow

I'll hold you to it. I shall pray to see you on the other side, friend...

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Speed Bike Pro
 

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