Pretty sure I know who the SK is but will wait to hear from BY before I put my vote in.

Before you say anything, I am not the Serial Admirer. I do know exactly who is now though...will vote later when I get on my computer.

Okay, now that I'm on my computer, I can vote for who actually is the Serial Admirer. I can't believe I've missed this all game long. P_N brought up valid points about your behavior in past rounds, and I'd suspected him right up until the missed kill in Night 5. I still suspected him, but I just wasn't sure.

How can I prove that I'm a Townie aside from saying that I had no idea Majora was the Granny until he revealed?

I'm going to be pretty transparent with my thoughts this round and might drag on the round a little (SORRY) but I want to get as much info as I can before I vote because I'm extremely concerned by the lack of info I do have.

Right now I'm leaning heavily toward Black Yoshi. PN brought up some good points against him last round and I do think if Apollo were the Serial Killer she would have likely voted for PN. However, there is the chance she didn't want to risk relying on hezekiah, since at that point everyone alive would know who has which role. So I don't want to discredit the possibility.

Just have some questions I want to ask:

@Black Yoshi: What was your thought process when deciding not to lynch hezekiah in the past two day rounds (particularly, last day round?) Also, in Day 6 you mentioned that the Serial Killer had to be among the most active of us, why did you say that? And doesn't that contradict the fact that you said Apollo has been too busy to be the serial killer but are now voting for her?

@Apollo: What was your thought process for voting Castrael on Day 3? I remember this day round in that I thought your vote for her was very atypical, in that your votes when town-sided are usually more cautious or "careful." I also remember thinking Black Yoshi was one of the only voices of reason at the time.

I just figured that lynching him wouldn't have gotten us anywhere but eliminating a third party. hezy's a good player, don't get me wrong; it was the role I was talking about. It wasn't helping us, sure, but it would have been better to leave him alive and lynch someone we weren't sure about than to waste our lynch on him when we have far more dangerous fish to fry.

I originally thought Apollo was too busy because she hadn't been participating much if at all until last Day round, except to say "Hi still here just busybusybusy will check in later if time." The Serial Killer had, until that point, only missed one kill (Night 5); more to the point, the original SK hadn't missed a kill, and the Serial Admirer had only missed Night 5. I had simply taken the list of who was left back then, eliminated known roles (hezy, Ghow, yourself, and myself), and eliminated those of us I felt weren't active enough to be the Serial Admirer; that originally left P_N. My vote is for Apollo now because P_N was killed last night (and turned out to be a Townie, which he was adamant to prove last round -- thing is, though, he's been known to be extravagant in his proofs especially when he's Mafia and "proving" himself innocent), I'm a Townie, as I keep saying, and you're the Granny, and that just leaves her. I seem to recall similar behavior, now that I think of it, in that game when we were Mafia and she was Admirer and we had her like a dog on a leash. Only now she isn't on a Mafia leash, she's on her own, no OOG trickery here.

...ahem...anyway...long story short, P_N just seemed the most suspicious to me at the time, and Apollo was busy at the beginning of the game. Now, though, P_N's gone and it's down to just three. You're the Granny and I'm a Townie, which just leaves Apollo.

Therefore, my vote sticks.

I'd have to look back but IIRC she pulled the old "at work I'll respond later" which I only remember seeing her do when she was Mafia (games 17.2, 18 I was mafia with her both times I can check when I'm not on my phone). I immediately got the Mafia/SK whatever vibe from her so I went with it. Also even if I were the SK, she wouldn't have been the same team as me anyways and I could have just as well assumed she was Mafia aka been in the same exact position. Also I remember her saying "I hate my role lol ~.~" and I found that weird as it is because obviously she wasn't a Town power role by that which sounded like a Townie claim except I looked more into it. tl;dr she seemed guilty to me based on her past behavior which I can pull specific examples from if necessary but hope that covers it.

Also I don't think my votes when town-sided are usually cautious *crosses arms and makes a humph sound* I mean that seriously though. I am usually not cautious early in the game; I almost always am late in the game.

I have a question for Black Yoshi but would like to ask it when he's online and has some time to respond.

Eh I'll ask it now and just hope I'll be around when there's a response:



The thing is, you made the statement that the Serial Killer must be active right after Night 5, which was the night that the Admirer missed a kill. It would almost seem to me that the exact opposite should have been true.

http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=92454#rep0

In this reply you stated that the Serial Killer (admirer at this point) must be trying to throw us off. Why did you think that?

Also a question for Apollo, which probably won't mean much, but figured I'd ask anyway: Do you remember if you were online that Night round? Night 5 I mean. Like, do you remember seeing the end of this thread:

http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=92370#31

during the Night round after the thread was locked?

^ In case I'm being confusing in any of this, I'm strictly referring to the Night round in which we assume the Serial Killer was inactive and missed their kill.

I remember reading the thread (particularly the granny claim and lightvayne's role), but it could have been during the next day round that I saw it. I could actually go through my planner and cross check to see what work I was doing that night/that weekend whenever it was since I usually have good situational memory or whatever you want to call it.

Relevant or irrelevant (IDR if I said anything or not when it happened) but I assumed the night kill was a strategic no killing as opposed to just missing the deadline (especially since the rounds have been lengthier than usual). Two tracking roles in play and not really anything to lose by not killing aside from lengthening the game/discussion, it was almost more dangerous to kill at the time. Black Yoshi operating under the assumption that it was a missed kill is lulzy because I assume the former way more easily before I'd think it were the latter.

Also it's "lulzy" because it's incriminating except I already have 107% proof to myself that he's the SK so I am able to look back at actions with almost absolute certainty that he is the SK. Maybe that makes every little thing look incriminating but ya know what are ya gonna do (except kill BY). It's a convenient coincidence for him that I happened to be busy, but didn't mean I was inactive.

Also he is tarnishing my Mafia name by suggesting I would "miss a kill" which I find legitimately offensive.

but really Black Yoshi needs to die because he is the SK admirer Jo Nathan-loving dirty murderer

Lol I know this is probably super silly but could you??? It was October 15th at 6:37pm - October 16th. SORRY I KNOW THIS IS SILLY and if it's any trouble you don't have to, just want to get the events that night down as well as I can :). I feel like that could be a very telling night as far as the SK goes and will post reasons after I hear from BY.

I have checked and confirmed that it was the night I signed up for the GRE (signed up for on my computer, which I only use a few times a week at most) and even typed up a nice hearty e-mail to my old research assistant. I'm pretty sure I would have checked GTX0 at the time just because I almost always go on it when I'm actually on my computer, you may all often see me say "lmao will look or type when I'm actually on my computer" so I take the chance when I get it. I also had a Spanish story to write then (anyone wanna hear it) and I had to write a baby response for gender and religion concerning Muhammad and his virility and the varying views on it from separate historical and cultural contexts (anyone wanna read it) but those were earlier in the day. I also had to shop for ingredients for a cookout that I hosted on that Friday night which I was out shopping for before until probably 8 or 8:30 or so (the cookout was very fun 10/10 even played some IRL Mafia). I had Taco Bell that night after ingredient shopping (that Chicken Cantina Burrito Bowl MMGMMMmMMMmmMmMmMm) and of COURSE got a Baja Blast. Probably picked my nose a few times and probably had to pee as well you know how it is {y}

Jesting aside, I am almost sure I checked that thread October 15th. Whenever I come on GTx0 anymore it's basically just for Mafia so it's not like I would have come on and not checked Mafia.

*research professor... you saw nothing...

yes

omg I am crying thank you

La Princesa Guerrera

Había una vez, existía un gran reino que se llamaba Seminolona. La princesa del reino era Lindsay, una chica ingeniosa, inteligente, y bonita. Desde una edad temprana, a Lindsay le encantaba jugar con espadas y escudos de juguete, como una guerrera. Ella nunca jugaba con muñecas u organizaba fiestas de té – Lindsay solamente querría ser guerrera. Sus padres, el rey y la reina de Seminolona, no estaban contentos que Lindsay actuara como eso. Sus padres se llevaron sus juguetes y le dijeron a ella, «No puedes jugar con esos juguetes estupidos. Necesitas actuar como una princesa, o traerás gran deshonra a nuestra familia.» De mala gana, Lindsay asintió con la cabeza. Por mucho tiempo, ella estaba muy triste, y no hacía las cosas que le encantaban lo más…

Diez años después, de repente, Lindsay recordó su amor más grande– su deseo para ser guerrera. Ella buscó una espada y un escudo en su palacio, y se vestió como un hombre. Ella huyó en su caballo que se llamaba Apollo, y fue a las montañas de Seminolona donde había muchos guerreros. Un guerrero dijo a Lindsay, «Muéstranos tu fuerza», y Lindsay venció todos los guerreros con su técnica perfecta. Todos los guerreros decidieron que Lindsay necesitó ser el líder de todos los guerreros por su fuerza más increíble.
Había una guerra muy grande entre Seminolona y el reino vecino de Gatorina por un año, y Seminolona ganó por el mando de Lindsay. Ella se quitó su ropa de varón, y todos los guerreros se dieron cuenta de que ella era una chica – la princesa del reino Seminolona. Todos se sorprendieron, pero estaban felices que una chica como esa podría ser guerrera tan increíble. Lindsay regresó a su palacio, y sus padres dijeron, «¡Ella es nuestra hija, la princesa guerrera!» Lindsay, muy orgullosa de sí misma, aprendió algo muy importante para tener una vida feliz – «siga sus sueños, y puede lograr grandes cosas.»

Also yes the horse's name is Apollo...

hit me up if you wanna hear the gender and religion response too it's pretty good just sayin

10/10 would read this to a Hispanic child before bed :')

Thank you I plan on reading it to my own children one day. It was so good because I wrote it about a friend of mine in the class (she wrote one about me for hers so it was beautiful) and it's become an adorable running joke because her family just got a dog and they named it Apollo and I was like O M G DO YOU EVEN KNOW I AM APOLLO it was fantastic 10/10 would name all dogs Apollo

hence the horse's name of Apollo

What I said after Night 5 had been in my mind since the end of Day 4, but the thing is, I was fully expecting a kill, and when none happened it threw me off. Also,



Because I'd probably forgotten when the Admirer came into play. Jo Nathan had killed every night, and when the Admirer killed on their first night in action, I expected that pattern to continue.

I don't think that's what Majora was getting at. He was asking why you thought the killer was trying to throw off the town, not why you called the Admirer the SK or whatever.

And I said it was because I'd come to expect a kill every night and when one didn't happen, I felt it was the SK trying to throw us off and blend in with those of us who aren't as active.

That, and because, as a Townie, I have no way of knowing the SK's true intentions that night, so it was mere assumption on my part.

So am I correct in assuming you thought the serial killer was active, but simply chose not to kill someone on Night 5?

Also, do you remember if you were present during Night 5, or were you busy (basically, the same question I asked Apollo?) Like, do you remember if you saw the end of Day 4 when the thread was closed?

I assumed they were active, yes, based on the past pattern. And as that Day round ended, I was preparing for a weekend of concerts (band concert followed by Beethoven's Ninth) and couldn't get on but to see whether the next day rou d had started --nowhere near long enough for any night actions.

I'm going to sleep on it (and I have a busy day tomorrow) but I'll have my vote in early tomorrow evening :).

BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU GUYS WANT TO ADD GO FOR IT.

Oh, I guess I misunderstood "missed kill"



I took that as was inactive/didn't do the kill accidentally but I only skimming most of what was said about BY (quotes posted this round from previous rounds) or was directed towards him this round until now and I see he didn't mean it in that sense so a part of what I said earlier is null.

Wait I'm confused. What were you referring to when you said



Was this about the Night 5 lack of a kill?

Yeah. Sorry my last post was confusing. I meant in my last post that I thought BY was "assuming that the SK missed the deadline for their kill" because of his wording but upon reading a lil more it became obvious that wasn't the case (as in, it was just the wording he used that threw me off).

I think a lot of this might come down to confirmation bias but I do find it of note that Black Yoshi admitted that he thought the Serial Killer was simply inactive, and then claimed that he was also inactive, while Apollo claimed that the SK was likely active (faking inactivity) and that she was online during the night round. If Black Yoshi were the serial killer, I would expect him to lie about his activity if he were really inactive that round; it doesn't really make sense not to, especially if his "theory" was that the Serial Killer was actually inactive, and especially after Apollo stated that she was online that night.

This is also in addition to what Lightvayne said a few day rounds back which I went over last day round (about Lightvayne referring to the SK as "him" to a point where I felt like it was being over-the-top intentionally misleading.) Maybe I'm wrong on that idk, but I think I beat that point to death already last round.

I also think Day 3 was a little revealing. Regardless of intentions, that day round Apollo voted to kill Castrael while Black Yoshi tried to argue against the kill. I feel like the Serial Killer would have more reason to argue for killing Castrael if it seemed other people wanted to kill her already. But Black Yoshi I distinctly remember being one of the few (only?) people that said he didn't understand why so many people wanted to kill Castrael.

My thoughts might be a little incoherent (i hope not) but I did write down some of my thoughts as things were happening in the Granny thread. None of this is hard evidence and I'd rather vote than do a random vote PLEASE DON'T HATE ME IF I'M WRONG.

*fart noise*

actually my name is Bill Cosby so technically you didn't vote for me

actually pretty sure Waluigi is the Japanese name for Apollo Justice so I'm pretty sure you just voted for Black Yoshi make sure to lynch him instead @ Helius

hey host Majora just OOG'd me told me I smelled like poop can you please host kill him

(duck)