Mafia

Bah, I'm always the Mafia, haha. I'll be interested to see how this works over the internet--at least I won't have to bluff/lie in person, which is probably a lot more work.

Heyo, mafiosos.

Yo.

I have never played this before so bear with me. I'm pumped to be a Mafia member though. {:P}

Haha

You and me both, BCB. I'll try to get on when I can, but my workload and performance schedule may take over later in the semester.

Okay, is there any sort of strategy we should be discussing?

I assume we try to lynch the doctor and cop first, right?

Since I've never played this. It seems like we should split up our votes either 50/50 or everybody vote for a different person.

If we all vote for the same person it could look suspicious. So, it seems splitting up the vote to even a completely different person would be a good way to go. Maybe we could wait a little bit until some more votes are in to make sure one of us isn't lynched. Does this make sense?

I say that for the first round we just vote randomly, and when we see who's been lynched, then we choose.

Yo, shouldn't we be able to see the Townie posts? I mean, sooner or later they'll notice that none of us have ever posted in their conversations.

Sounds good, Malas. Looks like Feral is close to gone as he has four votes now.

I was thinking one or two of us could also vote for each other to throw them off. Maybe not this round but in future rounds. But we would have to make sure it isn't suspicious or didn't legitimately endanger any of us.

Like it looks like Feral is getting voted off.

One of us could vote for another Mafia member and that person could vote for the person that voted for him out of spite. IDK. just tossing out ideas.

Obviously some of us can vote the same way sometimes. We just can't all vote the same way all the time. And we should try to avoid bandwagoning as much as possible--jumping on just to vote someone out. We want Feral dead this round since he's not one of ours, but we don't want to be obvious about it.

We probably don't need to vote for another Mafia member this round, but if any of us come under overwhelming suspicion, we can't defend each other and should vote each other off. Better that one goes down than the entire group.

What's the strategy on this? Vote out the person we think will be most likely to figure us out? Vote out cop, then doctor should we figure out who has those roles?

I think poptart or #85 are most likely at this point to figure us out. I have a small inkling that poptart might be the doctor. The post title by the doctor seems most suited to his typing style. I'm just spitballing, let me know what you think.

I will be gone tomorrow between probably 2 pm to 4 am so I'll cast my vote tomorrow before then. If I forget, then my vote is for poptart but I wanna know what you guys think.

I think 85 is some special role, but I'm not sure about the rest, can't really pick anything out of the few things they've said.

I could care less what role poptart is, I've seen some of his posts outside of this game, and I just think the townies would be better off without him.

So my vote goes to poptart.

So we're going to find out instantly what roles everyone is? Interesting. I'm used to playing it completely in the dark.

I think we should hold off on #85 for now. Chiefsonny was suspicious that he could be the Cop, so even if he isn't he would be pretty likely to be protected by the doctor. We might also be able to frame him if he isn't the Cop, since he accused Feral who obviously wasn't Mafia. That's something we need to be thinking about, too--people that we might be able to pass off as Mafia. But of course our top priority is catching the Doctor and the Cop. I'd be willing to take out poptart, I guess, since I have no real suspicions as to who is what.

So who do we go after now? Someone seems to find me suspicious.

I'm a bit surprised--I expected to have some suspicion cast my way this round, but looks like they're focusing on Malas and Yoshi. Yoshi, you're going to want to post in that thread ASAP and explain why you haven't posted there yet.

We might be able to get #85 lynched today, which would be good. We'll need to decide what to do about Shadowwalked. Either:

1. He's telling the truth about being the Doctor and protecting himself tonight, in which case we'll be free to target poptart (to get rid of someone they know is innocent) or someone else in the hopes that we hit the Cop.

2. He's telling the truth about being the Doctor but lying about protecting himself tonight, in which case we should call his bluff and target him.

3. He's lying about being the Doctor, in which case I think BCB might be right about poptart being the Doctor, so we should hit poptart again or go after someone random.

I guess it's possible that MajorasMask or Roxas are the Cop, but it's also possible that they have no information and just find Malas/Yoshi suspicious.

Day round we get rid of 85, who I think is just a townie. If we're lucky he's cop, but anyways it's win win. Night time is diffy. Shadow seems to be pretty straight forward.

If we go after someone else and he saves them, it clears both of their names. But if we go after him and he does cover himself, we reveal no information on us or him. Just have to hope that the cop doesn't catch any of us in the mean time.

And about me and Black Yoshi, I suspect that in the next round they'll gang up on me, so just in case I'll start thinking of a way to divert it away from you guys. If it does happen, vote me down.

Also, the doctor chooses who to save without knowing who we've chosen to kill in the night, right? What are the chances of us picking poptart and the doctor doing the same? Just saying, if I were playing doctor the best strategy would be to always protect myself. Same goes for the cop, the cop and the doctor are the most valuable players and the rest are all 'worthless'. Keeping both of them alive as long as possible would be to the best way for the townies to win, so mutual protection would be the smartest thing to do (supposing that they know which is which, of course.)

If Shadow is the Doctor, my guess is that he picked poptart because he was already suspicious of #85 for leading the charge against Feral. I think he was just trying to 'confirm' that #85 was Mafia. The best choice this round would be to go against either poptart or Shadow, since if either of them get saved it doesn't give the town any more information. Unless, of course, anyone has suspicions on who might be the Cop, because killing him has to be our top priority. The Doctor's usefulness drops considerably once the Cop's out of the picture because then he just has to rely upon getting lucky with his picks.

And I agree--if everyone turns on Malas or Yoshi this next round, the rest of us need to, as well. The Cop could very well figure out me or BCB during the night, as well.

It strikes me that we have a good amount of information to help us figure out who the Cop might be, and I'm going to use this post to organize my thoughts on the matter. We started with 17, and we're down to 15 right now (probably 14 because it looks like Kassie's going to die). Obviously 4 of those are the 4 of us, and 1 is Shadowwalked who is probably the Doctor. That leaves us with these players:

Xhin
chiefsonny
RubyLizard
MajorasMask9
poptart!
Knukles2000
Helius
`Roxas`
#85

We can probably eliminate Roxas from consideration since he's almost certainly a townie. That leaves us with 8.

Xhin seems to be playing rather aggressively right now, and he doesn't seem to mind being a target. He could just be being tricky, but I think he'd play safer if he were the Cop.

Chiefsonny is someone we might need to watch out for, since he targeted Black Yoshi, but he also asked if #85 was the Cop near the start of the game so it's probably not him. Unless he's just a devious player in general.

RubyLizard is suspicious of three Mafia members (Malas, BCB, Black Yoshi), but she could only be sure about one of them if she were the cop. She also has some people who are suspicious of her and hasn't been helping her case by swapping her vote around a lot, so we might want to keep her around.

MajorasMask9 thought Malas was suspicious, but he switched his vote rather easily first to #85 and then to Kassie. That makes me think he's not very solid in his belief that Malas might be mafia, so he might not have concrete proof. He also claimed to be a townie and not anyone specifically.

Poptart could be a good target simply because we're never going to be able to convince anyone (except apparently Helius) to vote him out. I'm not certain he's the Cop, though, since he was suspicious of #85 both rounds and probably would have checked him after finding out Feral was innocent. I could also see Ruby being right in that he may have posted one of those specific Townie posts.

Knuckles2000 is another good candidate, but if he's the Cop I don't think he knows any of us yet. He's been playing mostly under the radar, voted for MajorasMask9 last time because he thought he was suspicious but hasn't said anything about him this round (so he might have checked him and found him innocent). Other than that, the only thing we really have on him is that he's switched his vote from #85 to Kassie.

Helius voted for me last round (when he wouldn't have any info), and this round voted for poptart. He's making himself suspicious right now, so while he might be the Cop, it's probably best to keep him around for now unless we get a good reason to think he's dangerous.

#85 could be the Cop, but the one thing that makes me think he isn't is that he didn't put up much of a fight when it looked like he was going to be lynched, just before Xhin's theory took off. We also might be able to turn suspicion back on him, though, so I'd want to keep him alive for now.

All in all, I think poptart, Knuckles, or Roxas are probably our best options to target during the night. We probably want to keep #85, RubyLizard, and Helius around unless we get some evidence that one of them might be the Cop, since we can probably get them voted off. Poptart and Roxas are dangerous to have around because I don't think people are going to view them as particularly suspicious, but I'm pretty sure Roxas isn't the Cop and poptart probably isn't. Knuckles seems to be most likely to be the Cop and also unlikely to be saved by the Doctor, although I wouldn't rule anyone else out from being the Cop except for probably Chiefsonny and Roxas. MajorasMask and Xhin are probably most likely after Knuckles...but heck, as far as I know, Kassie could be the Cop, which would be amazing.

And yes, I did just put way too much thought into this game. ;)

I think I want to take out Knuckles. As I said, he has a decent chance of being the Cop, and he's not likely to be protected by the Doctor. Plus no one has been suspicious of him so far.

@Malas: I think they're a bit more suspicious about me than you, since I hardly posted in the main thread (since I've been up to my neck in reading for the past week and a half, and that's just the beginning of the semester for me).

Anyway, reading Lancer's analysis of the game so far throws my initial vote clean out of the water. I see some valid points in there, especially where Knuckles in concerned. Thus my vote goes to Knuckles.

And Kassie isn't the Cop, she was voted off and revealed as a Townie.

What was your original vote, Yoshi? I can't be sure about my analysis so I think it's be good to hear your thoughts too, in case I'm wrong.

Originally, I was going to go with Shadow, since he practially admitted to being the Doctor in the first thread, and I figure that once the Doctor's out of the way, we're free to kill the town without having any of them revived. After all, can't the Doctor revive the Cop as well?

Okay, just read Knuckles' latest reply and suddenly I'm not sure he's the Cop anymore: he's walking these city streets screaming, "WHERE'S OUR COP?", which leads me to think that either he's legitimately not the Cop or that he's just throwing us off of his trail...

So nevermind my vote for Knuckles, I'm going with poptart.

I think Shadow will most likely protect himself tonight, so I don't want to go after him just yet. I'm going to stick with voting for Knuckles because I'm not convinced he's not trying to throw us off, although I'm less certain than before. If Knuckles isn't the cop there's no one who really stands out as the Cop, although it would narrow it down.

The one thing that makes me hesitant to take poptart out right now is that I think we could play poptart and #85 against each other this round. I definitely want to take poptart out at some point, though, before there are too few of us left.

By the way, Yeano, I'm not really a fan of the fact that the Townies can make posts announcing who they are in the titles. Seems unfair to me, and I think it can be easily abused.

Knuckles.

I have had a pretty crazy weekend and haven't been able to get on. It'll take me a bit to catch up. For now, I suppose Knuckles is fine by me.

Question though, shouldn't poptart be lynched? We voted him during the first night round to be lynched didn't we?

Well, so much for that theory, haha. At least it narrows it down somewhat. Maybe we should just hit poptart again this round.

Anyone can make any type of post. Though Xhin said he wants to upgrade the programming after this game.

The problem with this strategy is that we'd have to be choosing the same Townie number as someone else, and the person who was actually that Townie would call us out, putting instant suspicion on both of us. Even if we got that Townie lynched, everyone would know that we were Mafia the very instant we got them killed and we'd be next to go for sure.

I think the Townie numbers shouldn't be used for game strategy. It just seems unfair to me that I've managed to mostly avoid suspicion based on everything I've said or done in the main thread but I'm going to get caught by something that's really unavoidable.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't have Townie numbers. I just think you should ban using them to smoke out the Mafia. I don't want the game to come down to whether we happen to guess whatever Townie numbers Kassie and Knuckles had with no real information to go off of whatsoever.

Alright, I guess my analysis wasn't completely useless--MajorasMask9 was my second pick as a potential Cop, although he threw me off with how easily he was swayed. It's just bad luck that he managed to guess one of us in both of the nights that he checked, and if Shadow is smart he'll protect him tonight so he'll get one more of us.

I think whatever damage the Townie thing was going to cause has already been done, so I guess it doesn't matter any more. I just would like it to be dealt with for next time because I feel like it goes against the spirit of the game and makes it a lot less fun.

Okay, so what should I do in the main thread? They have both me and Malas pegged as Mafia and are gonna vote him out.

Should I vote for Malas and pretend I'm a townie? This way they could doubt Shadow as the Cop?

Or should I claim to be the Cop? And tell them I investigated two people and one of them was a mafia, let's say Helius, and the other RubyLizard for instance is a townie.

I would basically be giving myself up, but if it gets us another townie killed then it may be worth it. As they could switch to Helius. At least we would have all four Mafia members intact, then during night go after shadow.

If votes start to really pile up on me, more than the 4 or 5 that I already have, then go ahead and go along. Let's see if we can divert it to someone else. Lancer, see if you can 'good boy' your way into saving me. People love you.

Haha, I don't think I'm as loved as all that. I think we might be royally screwed with this whole thing right now, though. Claiming to be the Cop might be your only chance, BCB, although you might have to throw Malas under the bus as well.

I got lucky and guessed correctly that Townie 2 was dead, and then they post a dead post saying that they were Townie 2. There's basically no escaping from that if the dead are allowed to post.

Tell you what, even if they do lynch me, they're as dumb as shit.

I realize it's too late to fix it for this game, Yeano, but I really think allowing people to claim that they are a specific number of Townie is broken and shouldn't be allowed next round. I ran a little hypothetical, and it shows that even if they guess wrong every time, the town will win 100% of the time under current rules if they play smart and reveal who they are.

1. Xhin - Townie 1
2. chiefsonny - Townie 2
3. RubyLizard - Townie 3
4. LLight - Townie 4
5. Kassie the Eevee - Townie 5
6. Feral - Townie 6
7. MajorasMask9 - Townie 7
8. Black Yoshi - Townie 8
9. Shadowwalked - Townie 9
10. poptart! - Townie 10
11. Knukles2000 - Townie 11
12. Helius - Doctor
13. white lancer - Cop
14. `Roxas` - Mafia (masquerading as Townie 1)
15. BCB - Mafia (Townie 2)
16. Malas - Mafia (Townie 3)
17. #85 - Mafia (Townie 4)

Day Round 1
All of the Townies declare who they are, and the four Mafia members declare themselves specific townies. This instantly lowers the suspect field to 8, as well as reveals who the Doctor and Cop are. Townies choose to lynch Xhin over Roxas and find out they are wrong, but now they know that Roxas has to be Mafia. Score: 4-12

Night Round 1
Helius (the Doctor) protects Lancer (the Cop); the Mafia kill Helius. Lancer checks either chiefsonny or BCB and finds out that BCB is Mafia.

Day Round 2
Town lynches Roxas--one Mafia down. Score: 3-11

Night Round 2
Mafia kill Lancer, the Cop.

Day Round 3
Town lynches BCB. Score: 2-10

Night Round 3
Mafia kill Knuckles, Townie 11

Day Round 4
Town chooses to lynch Ruby over Malas. Score: 2-8.

Night Round 4
Mafia kill poptart, Townie 10

Day Round 5
Town lynches Malas because they know he's Mafia now. Score: 1-7

Night Round 5
Mafia kill Shadowwalked, Townie 9

Day Round 6
Town chooses wrong again and lynches LLight. Score is 1-5, but the town know for sure that #85 is the last Mafia.

Night Round 6
Mafia kill Black Yoshi, Townie 8

Day Round 7
Town lynches #85 and wins, 4-0. Chiefsonny, Feral, MajorasMask9, Kassie the Eevee all survive.

For next time, I think you should just make a rule saying that you'll ban or Host kill anyone who claims a specific Townie number. It's just not fair otherwise.

Hope I'm not being a headache for you, Yeano. Just trying to make the game better! ^_^

Okay, I'm going to masquerade as the Cop. If my plan works and they switch votes and Malas is saved, then we can also lynch someone during the night round. So that means two more townies gone. Then, I'll probably be gone if they find out that I'm not the cop, which they obviously will.

Well, you managed to stir some stuff up. They might not buy it, but it was a valiant effort and at this point we had to try something crazy if we were to have any chance at this game.

Looks like we're done. Can we just concede? I don't see much of a point in playing the next four rounds out.

Alright. I don't mean to disrespect the game, by the way--it's just tough to continue on playing when they essentially have proof of all of us. If it were less concrete evidence, I'd fight it to the last, but...almost seems better to get this game done quickly so you can start another one.

Thanks for dealing with the Townie issue, though!

Screw it. The Mob never forgets, and if we're going to go down, I'd like to go down fighting and taking out those who did the most damage to us. That's Xhin and Roxas, who pioneered this whole Townie strategy, so next night round I'm going to cast my vote to assassinate Xhin. Plus, I think it would be fun to kill the admin of the site. ;)

Yeah, I agree.

Xhin it is -- since he's been playing a bit suspiciously from the start, and it'd be pointless going after MajoraMask09, since the whole town knows who we are.

My vote goes to Xhin

Xhin just killed himself, denying us the opportunity to kill him. :( Therefore, my vote goes to Roxas, since he was the first person to take advantage of the whole Townie numbers situation.

Yeah, Roxas for me as well.

Too bad this wasn't GTA. I would totally avenge Malas' death by slaughtering all of the townies. {:P}

Haha, yep, we'll just have to get our revenge by killing as many as we can until they get all of us. ;)

Wow...for someone who's supposed to be the owner of this whole town -- err, site -- Xhin's quite the coward...

Anyway, since voting for anyone else would be pointless, Roxas it is.

So, unless this day round winds up lasting extremely long for some reason, I probably won't be here when it's time to kill someone else (I'm gone this weekend). I don't really have a preference on who to kill next, so you can just make the call, Black Yoshi (since it looks like they're taking BCB out this turn).

Yeah, and they'll probably take me out next turn, since they know all of us...

Anyway, so long as I'm still alive, let's vote MajorasMask09.

Well, lancer, it was nice being your fellow Mafioso, but it looks like they're voting me ou--

...what was that? Oh God, HE'S GOT A G--

-- gunshot, then THUMP --

It was fun while it lasted, Yoshi! Guess I've got one more shot. I'll kill Helius, since he was the first one to cast a vote against me.

Thread Index for Game 1

Thread 1 - [p:59636]
Thread 2 - [p:59811]
Thread 3 - [p:59985]
Mafia Thread - [p:59637]
Cop Thread - [p:59727]
Doctor Thread - [p:59728]
Player Scores Thread - [p:60135]

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