Mafia

I took care of your sticky problem :)

Shoot, so the Newcomer DID find the other Mafia >_> It would been pretty awesome for the town if he hadn't, we could do without all the Mafia kills. Especially since we could have had a sure win if we left Roxas, Dooku and Kassie alone (verified innocents) while we searched for the Newcomer.

I'm really hoping Kassie caught something on what happened to Roxas last night. Chances are, the two could have been watching each other since they would be the biggest targets for any living Mafia. She's now his biggest threat, and if she didn't catch anything last night, he's probably going to take her down next night so she can't have another chance.

Kassie watching Roxas would do nothing... She'd only see who Roxas visited.

Hopefully Kassie watched a townie (or got lucky and watched the mafia) so we can confirm another innocent townie.

Presumably we're going to lose Kassie tonight, so this will be our last bit of trustworthy information.

Going to work, request that the round go on for a minimum of 18 hours.

My cheez-it buddy is dead and you're still making bad puns. For shaaaaame.
I tracked Serpe last night and he did not visit anyone. So he's clear.
FAW is the only townie claimant who posted yesterday and did not vote for hezekiah. What would an actual townie have to lose by voting this late in the game for someone with strong suspicion on them?
And for the record, Roxas was suspicious of both Trever and Jo Nathan. But they both voted for hez.

Whoa this game has changed a lot. Let's find and kill Count Dooku! Pretty please...?

I tracked Serpe last night and he did not visit anyone. So he's clear.

Well that takes Serpe off my suspicious list as well. And I really trust Roxas to make a good reading of people so maybe we should check out Jo and Trever... especially Trever.

The reason I did not vote yesterday is that I work all day on weekends and I usually juuuuuust miss the chance to vote. Same thing happened to me a couple of times last game too.

And with that being said I am off to work again. I will try to actually get back on at a decent time this round.

Still have my doubts.

At this point if Count Dooku were lying about being the club member I'd hope the real one would have spoken up by now. If someone tries to counter claim now, we should lynch that person. But if that person turned out to be the real club member, they will not have died in vain but instead would have helped us nail down the last Mafia member.

FAW, if Trever or Jo Nathan were mafia, why would they help lynch hezekiah? Same with Dooku, chief. Your voting for him makes you look quite suspicious as well, since you were the only townie claimant who didn't post yesterday. You could still be the newcomer because you could have found the mafia before the night I tracked you.

Well that's because I have a life other then the internet. And I also have Season Tickets to the Penn State Football Games and going to that game and tailgating before and after the game and getting drunk out of my skull was a lot more fun then being on the internet.
And guess what. They are home again next Saturday 9-22 and I'll be doing the same thing again.

So if you feel the way you do, then by all means vote to lynch me and at the end of the next night round we will be down 2 more town sided roles.

For what it's worth. I'm still uncertain about Count Dooku because I know the kind of player he is. A good one who was on the Mafia side last time and they won.

Everyone knows that an easy way to stay alive is to vote for your fellow mafia member, if it means that it'll give you a better chance of winning in the end. So a mafia member voting for another member is not something unheard of and it's been done numerous times.

That from someone who voted to lynch me in one of the early rounds and said that if you're not going to be active you shouldn't be here.
No one has counter-claimed the Special Club Member role. AND Dooku helped enormously to pin hezekiah. It would be incredibly counter-productive for the mafia to help the town lynch the Ninja.

Seriously, if someone else really is the club member, the time to come forward is now rather than when we're down to 4 people. Although I'm pretty sure if this were the case it would have come out already.

At this point I'd suspect Xhin before I suspect Count Dooku. The prosecutor would be the best role to hide behind since the real one has no reason to counter claim due to being a neutral role. But even that would be too risky since he'd be exposed if the real one got assassinated or lynched.

I know who I'd like to vote for but I want to wait and see if anything interesting comes up in the discussion tonight. Also I'm not suspicious of Serpe at this point but it would be nice to get his input.

Maybe in the early rounds, when there's no chance your vote would actually affect things that much. The point is for the mafia to win and that's harder each time they lose someone.

That last post was @ FAW by the way. Mobile posting is so slow...

I hear ya. I'm on my phone too and two or three new replies had been posted in the time it took me to type my last reply. I gotta get to a computer tonight.

Score 1 for my credibility {8D}

Thanks to chief's detailed explanation, I'm somewhat less suspicious of him and his vote for Dooku. Keeping CtR in mind once again, my vote won't be going in that direction. But more than that, I don't think FAW's story checks out. There was more than enough reasonable doubt at the time she was on to place a vote for hezekiah without any backlash. And while ratting out your fellow mafioso takes the heat off you, Kassie is right. It wouldn't be a smart move at the endgame phase.

I'm still a bit confused regarding cheifsonny's vote for Count Dooku. With only one Mafia member left, trying to hide behind a one-of-a-kind role when the real role could out him/her would be suicide. With no counterclaims coming up, I really can't imagine that Count Dooku is being dishonest.

Since I have no doubt in Kassie's innocence for the same reason above, I have to believe Serpe is innocent too based on the tracking observation.

In my opinion, it really only makes sense for the town to focus on FAW, Trevor and chiefsonny (and as far as everyone else is concerned, I suppose I'm in that group as well). I'm most suspicious of FAW and Trevor and can't really pick between the two. I'll go back and do some reviewing.

Ok I did my reviewing and compiled a collection of stuff from the previous rounds.

Let's start with Trever:



lancer was totally Mafia. Potential team mate defending him? YOU DECIDE.

Zanic:


...Followed by Trever:




He ended up being one of those who did not vote for lancer.

Later, Frustro says:


Trever responds:


But Trever wasn't convinced that there was evidence against lancer based on his previous quotes. Flip-flopping?

Then more recently, he voted for hez. His vote was second to last, followed by mine. Could one argue that hez was doomed at this point anyway and Trever was just trying to make himself look innocent? Yes I know that isn't a good point in my favor but just sayin'.


Ok, let's look at chiefsonny now:



I can give him the benefit of the doubt on this one, just because I know first-hand how horribly wrong gut feelings can be. But I'd like to include it anyway so it can be observed along with these other things below.



Two hours later we lynch white lancer who was the hooker.



This quote makes me more apt to suspect you than believe you. I'm not entirely sure why... just the way it's worded.


Ok, now for FAW.

lancer said:


And FAW agreed with this. Submitting this by itself as evidence would be a real stretch though, so I wouldn't read too much into it.

FAW also proceeded to say:



I know there was something of a bandwagon with #85 but honestly I never really had a reason to suspect him. I know others might have because they've played with him before, but FAW and I are both new players and I'm not sure what it is that FAW saw in him that was suspicious.

I used to think Kassie was suspicious myself so I have no comment on that.

Also when lancer was being lynched, hez provided the third-to-last vote for him, but it seemed quite obvious that lancer was going down at that point anyway. FAW voted for lancer five minutes after hez did.



FAW hit the nail right on the head, assuming Kassie is telling the truth (again, I see no reason to doubt her at this point). So that quote is more kudos to FAW than actual evidence against her.

I also found this on myself:

Jo Nathan


Wtf... did I have a brain hemmorage or something that night? hez had definitely claimed townie before I posted that. {:P}

I feel comfortable enough to choose my vote now, but I'm still open to discussion if others think I'm making a mistake.

Okay, seriously guys... voting for me? I literally led the charge against Lancer, Zanic, and Hezekiah. Not to mention that the 'Real' Special Club Member (in the alternate universe where I'm not the SCM) would have to be actively playing against the town by not speaking up.

That said, I think Trever and FAW are our best bets.

Trever's roleclaim idea would have helped him as the newcomer to weed out probable mafia and allowed him to join their ranks.

As with Hezekiah, I don't buy FAW's argument about being away (which conveniently explains why she didn't vote for Hezekiah too).

I'll throw my lot in with Serpe and Kassie for this round.

Oh poop. I forgot about the fact that the last member is the newcomer and wouldn't know for sure who was Mafia. I have to go back and review that stuff again...

I will say this though. Given how lancer was a prime suspect since day 2, if the newcomer didn't have a lucky guess on nights 0 and 1 then s/he probably would have went for lancer on night 2.

All right... let's see how this goes. If we're wrong at least we'll be closer.

After reading through the post again and looking over the voting patterns I'm going to change my vote for now.