Mafia

Hi guys. Seems we want a long game, so out Newcomer can find us. Obviously we'll want me to cast the first vote for the kills we make, but that's not yet. For tonight, I think we can silence somebody like Feral, a player it'd seem like Knukles would target. Don't think we should bother using the hooker, since we don't get any info out of it.

Alright, it's been a little while since I've been Mafia, though the Mafia's performance last round kind of made me a little eager to do so again. Hope I haven't lost my touch--it's a lot harder to play as Mafia when you've played against the same people numerous times, as they can more easily notice a change in your playing style--but let's give it a go. It's quite convenient that Zanic is Mafia with us because I'm heading home tonight so we won't have to be ridiculously careful about logging out.

Anyway, with only 4 Mafia members against 13 Townies, we don't have to worry too much about making the game run longer because it's going to be a long game as it is. Apart from making ourselves look suspicious in the main thread (which obviously is inadvisable), there's not a whole lot we can do to attract the Newcomer's attention, and the only thing we can really do is try not to hit them with our nightkill. Basically, if anyone is acting particularly suspicious, we shouldn't target them (both because they might be our Newcomer and because we might be able to get them lynched); other than that, we should act as though the Newcomer isn't in the game. He's still a number for us even if he hasn't joined us yet so the only real danger with him/her is if we kill him ourselves (also we want them to be with us so there's less chance of them getting caught by the Tracker/Watcher). Ironically, the later in the game that the Newcomer joins us, the better we're probably playing.

Don't think I'm going to use my Hooker powers tonight, and actually I'm not certain how often I want to use them at all this game. The Watcher and Tracker are probably our biggest threats, and while roleblocking them is potentially helpful, it also exposes me a bit more since if either of them caught me it'd confirm that I have a night action (or are a Sleepwalker) and I'd rather hide as a normal Townie. As such, I'll probably only use the ability if we get virtual confirmation on the identity of both of them or the Nurse because just visiting random people most likely isn't going to be useful. I do have one question for Majora: can the Newcomer be roleblocked? And if they are, will they be informed that their failure to join the Mafia was because he was roleblocked?

As for kill priorities...as long as the Ninja is alive, we don't have to worry too much about this, but if hezy dies and the Watcher is still alive then we need to stay away from 'obvious' kills because the Watcher will likely target those same people and catch us (the only way they can confirm that they got a Mafia member is if they visit the person who died during the night). I don't think this is a major problem, though, because with MM9 hosting and Yeano/Shadow not playing there aren't a whole lot of players that I find legitimately scary on the Town side--obviously some of them are stronger players than others, but I think we can probably work around them.

The one player I absolutely don't want to leave in the game too long is Redack, because he's going to contact me on AIM and I'll have to keep acting over IM (which instantly makes my job 10x harder). He's also really good at reading people and is usually quite active, so I'd suggest taking him out early. Hate suggesting this, since I think an early death might turn him off of Mafia for a while and I want him to keep playing, but he should be an early target IMO. Dooku also tends to be fairly good at reading people/analysis but I wouldn't want to take them out back-to-back because then it would probably be obvious that the Mafia contains someone from J/S. Other than that, we should avoid taking out the 'power players' unless we think they might be one of the Watcher/Tracker/Nurse because two of us are considered power players, and if we survive while all other power players are getting whacked there will be the question of 'why are they still alive?'

Ahh. Interesting. Lancer and I are actually mafia together. I'm considering not silencing anyone in fear of the tracker and watcher. I might just act like I got silenced and not talk the whole first round.

Not sure that's a good idea, Zanic. People would start to wonder why the Mafia would choose you of all people to silence. Choose someone random that isn't likely to be selected by the Watcher.

Very well. I choose to silence Kassie the Eevee.

Yeah, not using my powers tonight.

Posting stuff in the main thread that may seem counterproductive, but I'm trying to gain the trust of the Town and that's not going to happen unless I'm actually helpful.

Anyway, I was thinking that we *might* be able to cut a deal with the Defense Attorney or Prosecutor (or both). They don't win with the Town, they win by being alive at the end, and we can promise that to them in exchange for their votes if they are still alive at the end of the game. If the Prosecutor's target isn't one of us we could even promise him that we'd help vote that target off in exchange for his help (and it'd benefit us as well because we'd be lynching an innocent Townie), and we could keep the Defense Attorney's target alive. I'm thinking that if one of us gets exposed, that player should try to strike a deal with those two in order to potentially secure a couple of extra votes in the day round.

Also, with the Watcher/Tracker out it might not actually be worth it to silence people at night (and pretending to be silenced ourselves is dangerous as well). We want to keep as low a profile as possible in the night rounds and it might be better if the Ninja is the only one who visits people at night since he's immune to the Tracker/Watcher.

Majora, I have a question re: the Defense Attorney and the Prosecutor. Since their win conditions aren't based on the ratio of Mafia to Town, do they still count as being among the people we have to outnumber in order to win?

Awesome. So assuming either or both of them are still around and willing to work with us we shouldn't have any problem promising to keep them alive in exchange for votes in the endgame.

On the other hand, killing them/getting them lynched really doesn't help us at all--that, combined with the presence of the Newcomer, means we need to be as careful as possible in our targets at night. This'll be tougher if the Newcomer is someone quite skilled at the game, but we should limit our targets to players who appear to be going out of their way to help the Town win--the DA and Prosecutor probably won't care, and the Newcomer won't want to help the Town either. So, several things to think about when making our decisions on who to kill:

1. Our targets should ideally be people that the Town can't be persuaded to lynch
2. Our targets should be actively trying to help the town (their degree of success actually isn't all that relevant at this point IMO).
3. Our targets will be players holding special roles (this will probably be tough to judge).

I'm open to target suggestions. I still kinda want to take Redack out, but thus far he hasn't contacted me on IM (which strikes me as somewhat strange).

I agree. I feel as though we should take out Redack. He's a pretty strong player and it could definitely throw suspicion on Knukles, seeing as how they got in a little spat.

People could normally argue that the mafia could've just killed him to throw suspicion on him, but with Knukles, I'm not sure they're expecting a very clever player.

Well, Redack talked to me on AIM, and it turns out he's already convinced that Zanic and I are Mafia together (well, he said he thinks we're on the same team and he's leaning towards Mafia). My guess is that it was based off of the "Zanic and I" comment I made, which (if that's the case) is stupid because I've made comments like that before. :-/ Anyway, I don't know that I made things that much worse for myself on AIM, but I definitely don't think I made things better (this is why I hate IMs with Mafia--they really put the Mafia at a disadvantage because it's hard to feign natural responses in real-time).

Anyway, Redack has almost certainly told someone else of his suspicions just in case he dies (that's how he operates), but I still want to take him out because I don't want to keep up the AIM conversation with him. I'm mostly worried that he'll be protected by the Nurse but I think it's worth a shot. Not voting just yet, though, because I'm waiting for hezy to cast the first vote.

Very well, I vote to kill Redack.

I've been laying low, will probably show up in the main thread a day or two into next round.

I vote Redack also, and I won't be using my powers tonight. And I guess Zanic would probably be better off not using his powers tonight either.

I vote Redack as well and choose to not use my powers.

Seriously -_- THAT'S the reason he was suspicious of me? I honestly believe that would be a good move for the Town to do and I was actually afraid to suggest it because it might put us in danger. The main reason I wound up suggesting it in the first place was because we could hide by not silencing anyone at all.

I honestly don't see how they can derive Lancer and I being mafia just from Lancer sating that him and I were gone. This is completely ridiculous.

Okay, so I'm not sure how long I'll be able to survive. Basic strategy, as I see it:

Take out Feral tonight; that way the Nurse is out of the way and we don't have to worry about him accidentally saving someone. You could take out Dooku, who is guaranteed innocent, but we also know he's not the Tracker/Watcher/Nurse. White Thunder and Jo Nathan are also probably safe targets as I'm fairly confident they're Town-sided. I expect the Newcomer will likely join us (you?) tonight as they'll probably select one of me or Zanic, so maybe they'll have some extra input, or maybe you guys also have some other ideas.

Keep Xhin and anyone you suspect might be the Prosecutor/Defense Attorney alive. If they go for Zanic tomorrow, he can probably try to cut a deal with them for the endgame (use the PM system), but don't tell them who the other Mafia members are. Just let them know that they'll survive the game for sure if they cooperate with the Mafia; the Town can't ensure their survival, but we can. If they refuse, feel free to pick them off in revenge, but only if it starts to look bad/they know who we are (if that's not the case, they're not a priority as they don't factor into the final ratio). You can tell the Defense Attorney that we'll keep their target alive in exchange for their support, and if you're feeling up to it you could even promise Xhin that Dooku will be your last lynch (that of course would require leaving him alive to the end of the game, which is a risk since he's a strong player, but he's also not a special role that can threaten us).

#85 is acting fairly suspicious. It's possible he's the Newcomer.

So much for the boring chapter, eh, Majora?

My guess is that Kassie has a night role. She mentioned that she missed the night round and that wouldn't matter unless she had a role (plus I noticed that the night round ran for the full 24 hours). It's possible she's the Newcomer but if someone else joins us she should become a top target because she's probably either the Watcher or Tracker. I feel bad taking her out, though, since she hasn't played much, but you do what you have to in this game. Feral should go down first, though.

Just going on record saying that I don't think either Dooku or Xhin did anything against the rules. I don't think the copy/paste rule is really all that important anyway and Xhin did directly state that he was paraphrasing. Not sure why Feral thinks Dooku might be eligible for a host-kill, but I haven't seen anything wrong that he's done anyway (other than accuse me {troll}).

I hope you just allow the game to continue as is--it's just getting interesting. I love the Prosecutor!

We should definitely not kill Dooku, since that would almost surely lead to Xhin getting lynched, which wouldn't help us. My silence has not gone unnoticed, but I'll drag it out a while longer yet.

I may suggest that you two act a bit skeptical of each other, in hopes that a lynch of one wouldn't lead directly to a lynch of the other.

Alright, I think I'm probably going to go down this round. Shame Xhin blew up like he did--I think he was doing about as well as could be expected in his position (only mistake he made was saying Redack wasn't suspicious of me), trying to get someone who was basically confirmed innocent lynched. Unfortunately I guess I'm not going to be able to start striking that deal that we talked about with him this round since he's going to be unavailable, but I'll send him a message anyway and Zanic (if he should go down after me) can try to follow-up.

Anyway, I *think* #85 might be the Newcomer (not sure, though), so I'm going to try to make it look like I'm trying to frame him to get myself out of this. I don't expect it to actually work, but I do think it might give #85 some cover if he should turn out to be on our side (they might think one Mafia member might not sacrifice another just to win one free day). My other potential strategy involves making it look like I'm trying to link Zanic and myself together. That would be tricky, though, because it depends on how highly they view me as a player and could go one of three ways:

1. If they don't respect me all that much, they might think that I'm just making mistakes and become even more convinced that Zanic and I are linked.
2. If they respect my game a little bit more, they'll assume that I'm just trying to incriminate Zanic along with myself.
3. If they respect my game even more than that, they might figure out that I'm trying to look like I'm doing #2 and realize that Zanic is Mafia anyway.

I think it might be worth it because I don't know that Zanic will really be able to survive the next day anyway. Dooku, at least, will be careful about interpreting my remarks at the end of this day round. And I think a good order for targets will be:

1. Feral
2. White Thunder/Kassie
3. Kassie/White Thunder
4. Anyone else you think might be the Watcher or Tracker

Eventually you'll need to take Dooku out--he's a dangerous player and a confirmed innocent--but if you think you might want to cut that deal with Xhin you could keep him alive just to lynch at around 6 (depending on how many of us are alive/if the Defense Attorney is alive and willing to deal--you could ask Xhin to figure out who the DA is).

Not upset about going down, although I am rather annoyed about the reasons. I still legitimately think the strategy that tipped Redack off is a good strategy for the Town and I know I've 'defended' Zanic before, but whatever.

I'm hoping that #85 either isn't the Newcomer or doesn't get lynched this round. Assuming he's the Newcomer, I feel like he'll have more staying power than I will if it comes down to being between me and him. On the other hand, if he isn't the Newcomer, then getting him lynched instead of me would be downright awesome.

Oh, and feel free to vote for me this round, hezy.

Wait, you did? Wonder how I missed that...

I'll be posting in the main thread tonight, Feral just IMed me angrily.

Wow, I guess I have a bit more clout around the Town than I expected. I can see this going one of several ways:

1. #85 is the Newcomer, and I come off looking a little cleaner because I helped the Town find a Mafia member.
2. #85 is the Newcomer, but Dooku doesn't back off his suspicions since he's not a member of the main Mafia, and he convinces the Town to lynch me.
3. #85 is innocent, and we come out one ahead and the Town jumps at Kassie.
4. #85 is innocent, and the Town turns on me for targeting an innocent player.

The pessimist in me thinks that options 2 and 4 are most likely, especially since Dooku will be there and probably gunning for me the entire time. But I also thought I was probably singing my swan song right now, so we'll see if I can argue my way out of it a second time. And hezy, you're definitely going to need to put in an appearance soon. They're starting to look at you with suspicion.

With the Town suspicion on Kassie and ourselves immune to the Watcher/Tracker as long as we don't perform any of our night actions, it should be safe to leave her alive for now--we can't even be certain she is a special role (or isn't the Newcomer), after all. I still think White Thunder is probably the next best target after Feral, since he seems to be one of the ones who believed Dooku the most. He's also been fairly active and is more of an independent thinker than most other players.

Roxas is also an independent thinker and could be trouble down the road, but so far this game he hasn't been a threat to us. We can take him out eventually but there's no reason to be in a rush. After Feral is gone we'll basically be taking potshots at people and trying to take out the Sheriff/Watcher/Tracker (and not trying to hit the Defense Attorney/Newcomer), so we'll need to be looking at players who are engaged and trying to help the Town. Roxas is probably not the Defense Attorney since he suggested lynching Jo Nathan (an unusually aggressive move for an Attorney), but I guess there's always a chance his target is me (wouldn't that be something!).

I don't think #85 is the Newcomer, seems to me like that's a role that would want to keep people with a decent chance of being mafia alive Unless he tried Dooku last night and failed to join us...

We could either take out Feral (ridding us of the Nurse and making it safe for me to kill in future rounds), or take a shot at hitting the Watcher or Tracker. If Dooku doesn't join us tonight, I think he's one of the two.

Pending further discussion, I vote to kill Feral and am thinking we opt not to silence or roleblock anyone (one of us could hide in it if need be). Or, Zanic could roleblock Lancer. That would be handy in case the W/T gets involved.

Another option would be to roleblock Feral, making it a guarantee that my sneak would result in the target's death. Problem there would be if the Watcher picks Feral or Tracker picks Zanic.

2 questions, Majora: 1) night action priority, what is it? 2) does the hooker victim get told they were roleblocked?

Derp. Dooku's not the Watcher or Tracker, he's the LEG. Duh.

I also vote for Feral, and (at the risk of incest jokes) I'm going to use my Hooker powers on Zanic. I think I'm probably going down this next day round so if I can put a little distance between myself and Zanic I'll do it. If I get caught, hopefully we can also draw out the Tracker into the open.

I am a little nervous that Feral will select hezy, mostly because we'll pretty much be dead meat if that happens, but it's unlikely enough (and Feral is likely enough to be Watched) that I think I'm probably just being paranoid.

I'll take a look at the remaining players when I get a chance and try to figure out who is likely to be power roles.

Okay. I choose not to silence again.

I vote for Feral.

Well it appears I kept myself well under the radar even from the Mafia. I wasn't saying much so the suspicion wouldn't be on me and it gave me time to just slide by until I found one of ya'll.

Welcome, FAW. Seems you've played a subtle game so far. What made you pick lancer, to get a feel for what might be going through the minds of other townies.

Redack's predictions are usually right on the money so I thought it would be worth a shot to see if it was true.

Which sadly means, that that accusation is on the mind of the other townies, unless something happens to distract them again (like with the whole Xhin vs Dooku thing) .

I'm the new newcomer. So glad I could join you.

BTW Majora, isn't it time to host kill Serpe?

Ah. Lancer and I were pretty confident that the newcomer would come to him or me. Glad to have you join us. Though I'm not sure how much longer Lancer will last.

Additionally, may FAW continue visiting people each night? The role description doesn't say that her action is obsolete, and may help sow confusion in select circumstances.

I do wish I hadn't been so quick to post, it very easily could make people believe that I have a night action that Majora was waiting on...

Welcome, FAW! As you can see, we didn't even discuss killing you, so good job not making yourself a target for us. I'm afraid I'm not sure I'll be able to survive this round, so much of the endgame might be left to you.

And Yeano has stumbled upon an ingenious strategy: being part of the Mafia without even playing. They'll never see it coming.

The more worrisome part of your post, hezy, is the part about asking the Watcher to reveal themselves. If Dooku and Redack were skittish enough to jump on my (genuinely decent) strategy earlier, I wouldn't put it past Dooku to be all over you for that.

I actually have a feeling I may be one of the last people just because I don't seem to make myself look shady, even by accident (at least I think so lol)

And yeah. Trying to get the Watcher to come out right after a power role was killed is kinda sketchy.

But if worst comes to worse, ya think we can turn around the blame onto someone else?

It depends on how active Dooku is, I think. It's possible he's so busy/frustrated with the Town for not listening to him and lynching me that he's going to be less active, as I noted he wasn't around nearly as much near the end of that last round when the votes got turned around. If he's not too focused on me, he's probably the most likely to notice something like that.

Most of my posts today are going to be focused on trying to throw attention onto other players (by defending them--if they find out I'm guilty it makes my defenses suspect). I might change gears a little bit if it looks like I'm going to survive the day, but right now I'm not optimistic.

Thanks for the assist, FAW--I think that's not a bad reply and might help keep me alive for a little while longer. Just be careful about tying yourself to me too closely--you don't want to be associated with me if I go down, since you're probably our best hope to last long in this game.

I kinda think you have a good shot this round. You honestly don't really look guilty and people seem to be trying to not get into "bandwagon" mentality.

I think you can use White Thunder's reasoning against him. You didn't exactly "lead a charge" in comparison to some of the other players that have. Some are still suspicious of Dooku, so him and WT could be trying to get the blame off themselves onto an "innocent townie".

If you catch my drift?

Yeah that's why I only addressed the thing about #85. Not your guilt or innocence. It seemed kinda neutral. I tend to be lol

With the amount of people that just posted, ya think any of them have a night action and were just "buying time" to reply?

I do think I have a shot at surviving this round, but I tend to be fairly pessimistic with regards to my survival chances in this game, haha. I have a bad habit of getting targeted/killed before the end of Day 3.

With the amount of people that just posted, ya think any of them have a night action and were just "buying time" to reply?

It's possible. I'm still thinking Thunder might be a good target, although I kinda wish we had gotten him out of the way before he came out hard against me this round. It's fairly obvious he's Town-sided (so not the Defense Attorney) and he's been active, which could be him showing interest because he has a helpful role. He could always be a normal Townie but he's been a little dangerous toward us this game.

I think the reply lancer made after mine should help clean up any danger I caused for us (though it's not like I explicitly asked for them to reveal, and I can pass it off as being overly tired -- which I was). I'm now expected to be making more replies, so I think I'll come out strong against you, lancer. You're probably lynched anyway, so all it would do is make me look innocent.

If you're sure you will end up being lynched, call for the DA to contact you. Then we could try and form that alliance we had talked about earlier.

I'll take the 'frustrated townie' role. I covered up my last post so that it would defend Lancer a bit without looking like I'm defending him. The more frustrated I sound, the more the town may be convinced that I am on their side.

Yeah, I think you're covered, hezy--everyone's too distracted with me to worry about you right now. As for you coming out hard against me, I have mixed feelings; I think there's still a chance I could make it through this round alive, which would put us in pretty good shape, but I'm not terribly optimistic about my chances anyway and if you think it's better for our team in the long run if you come after me, go for it.

My only problem with me putting out a call for the DA (seems weird using that acronym for the defending lawyer, but whatever) to contact me is that Xhin is exposed and if they realize what we're trying to do, they'll probably just lynch Xhin. He hasn't responded to my notification but he hasn't exposed me yet, either, so I think that means he's willing to join our side. I have a few thoughts on who the remaining power roles could be but I'm getting off now so I'll post them when I get back.

At worst, it would mean they lynch neutral roles instead of us.

Go ahead and vote for me, hezy.

I'm thinking of either voting for Kassie now or just kinda staying back until the last minute.

I am pretty much forced to take a different strategy considering when they find out Lancer is mafia, they'll go for me.

I honestly don't really care about this game anymore.

Well then, it almost seems like the tables are going to turn.
Are you going to "sacrifice" yourself or are we going to continue to let them want to lynch lancer?

Lancer will be lynched this round. I'm just saying I'm tired of playing with all these guys who get evidence out of the smallest little things.

Yeah. It is kinda difficult.
So what's the plan then?

Idk. I mean, although I'm frustrated with this game, I won't give up until I'm dead. That would be unfair to you guys. I'll just try to talk my way out of it next day.

Also. Kassie was a target, but there seems to be a little suspicion on her. So I think we should take out WT tonight.

Alright, I said I'd give some thoughts on who might be the special roles (been distracted by the US Open most of today). I'm afraid I can't come to anything conclusive; I think Kassie might be a night role but I can't be sure. White Thunder is active and has been analyzing well so I still think he's probably the best target tonight, even if keeping myself and Zanic alive is a lost cause at this point. With me and Zanic going down, the Watcher and Tracker are a lot less important to hit since they'll only be a problem if hezy goes down (of course, if that happens, they'll instantly become incredibly dangerous, so you still want to get rid of them ASAP).

CtR could be some sort of special role; at the very least I think he's Town-sided. Frustro is a possibility but I've noticed he's not especially active this game. Jo Nathan has also been less active this time around. If I absolutely had to guess, I'd say that Frustro, Jo Nathan, Serpe, Shad, and chief are probably all vanilla Townies/Sleepwalkers. The Defense Attorney could also be among that group.

Roxas is interesting because he's playing a fairly passive game but with a strange aggressive move against Jo Nathan last round (and then joining me to vote against #85). I was half-convinced he might be the Defense Attorney and that his target was me, but right now I'm not so certain. He could be a special role but it's tough to say. I kind of thought that Trever's first post today made him seem like the Watcher, since he was so certain the Watcher got no results last night. So yeah, in my book the most likely to be the Sheriff/Watcher/Tracker are Thunder, Roxas, CtR, Trever, and Kassie (not in that order). It's really tough to be certain, though, because they're obviously trying not to be obvious, so if you see anything that makes one of the others seem like a power role by all means go for it.

FAW, you should probably cast your vote for me as well if you can do so without looking like you suddenly changed your mind or anything. I was going to post again in that thread but it's looking pretty hopeless for both me and Zanic right now, so I don't think I'll bother. I don't want to accidentally give anything away. Good luck!

Oh, and I'll send Xhin another message. I'll ask him if he can figure out who the Defense Attorney is and who their target is--maybe that'll help you. If you two and Xhin survive to the last 8 you could end the game right there, assuming they both cooperate.

Oh, and Jo Nathan and Shad are probably not the Defense Attorney.

Trever is a Townie from what I remember when I would visit people as a Newcomer. I kinda wish I got to visit a little more people because that would make this easier.

I think Kassie has a night role too and is trying to stay quiet so she doesn't die.

I will probably silence Dooku. Might as well. I'll wait for confirmation from you two.

I think Roxas might be a better idea for you, since I think we should target people who haven't made themselves suspicious. One way we could have Zanic play next round is by drawing a parallel to Day 2, on that we kill someone who went strongly against one of us. But this time, we take out somebody who suspects an innocent person.

Another option is to have Zanic claim Watcher, in hopes of drawing out the real one. Depends how good we feel about you surviving the next day.

I'll plan to take a look at who made blatant suspicions of another player while at work tomorrow, for if we want to try and frame somebody.

Another thing to consider is spoofing an afk night role, by purposefully not casting multiple kill votes for the same person... if only I cast a vote, its not really fair for Majora to end the round early.

I think Roxas might be a better idea for you, since I think we should target people who haven't made themselves suspicious. One way we could have Zanic play next round is by drawing a parallel to Day 2, on that we kill someone who went strongly against one of us. But this time, we take out somebody who suspects an innocent person.

Another option is to have Zanic claim Watcher, in hopes of drawing out the real one. Depends how good we feel about you surviving the next day.

I'll plan to take a look at who made blatant suspicions of another player while at work tomorrow, for if we want to try and frame somebody.

Another thing to consider is spoofing an afk night role, by purposefully not casting multiple kill votes for the same person... if only I cast a vote, its not really fair for Majora to end the round early.

Yes, but Dooku will be all over me. Wouldn't it be better to silence him? Roxas has seemed to agree with me. And the Watcher plan could work, but I'll only use it as a last resort.

That being said, I think WT would be a good target for tonight.

I think if you silence Dooku, then it would put the suspicion more on you. Because then they will say "Well he went after White Lancer and then said we should go after Zanic too".

People are already getting wary of you and I'm sure you're the first person on their mind, so silencing him will just about definitely put the noose around your neck.

Fair enough. I vote to silence Roxas.

I just read back through the Day 3 Thread, and came to he same conclusion. There weren't any townies coming out strong against other townies, So we can't try and frame anyone. I think we'll have some support if we logic that "why would the mafia do the same thing again?" As such, I cast my vote to kill White Thunder. Again, I recommend you two do NOT cast kill votes so we can make this round go the full 24. Of course, let me know if you think I should tame another look at any other potential targets.

And now I'm back from school.

White Thunder was on the "suspicious list" that Knuckles came up with, which included me, Zanic, and Trever. I just feel like if we kill White Thunder, there may be a chance they'll come after the rest of the people on that list. Though that may be a stretch.

Annnnnnnd apparently Knuckles was host killed. Interesting.

I don't really think anyone would listen to Knukles anyway.

Lmao. Fair enough

When do you think I should claim watcher?

Probably kinda soon, since I don't think you'll survive the day. I'm actually hoping the Sheriff offs you, so the town is forced to lynch another. Plus that would further narrow down who has the actually useful roles for the town.

If you claim, maybe say you saw known townies visiting people on previous nights? It will be pretty delicate, trying to figure out what the best timing would be. Probably not tonight, but probably sometime on the early side tomorrow.


Dooku's logic is bloody awful, it's almost vaguely possible that we could get suspicion on him... except for the Special Club thing.

It'd be great for us if Dooku took up a cause against another townie. Then we could hopefully kill Dooku and say the mafia killed someone who suspected their members.

Well we sure got quiet... any bright ideas for dealing with the role claim? There's really not a whole lot we can do, that I see.

Haha I was thinking the same thing.
I think the most we can do is just cause "mass hysteria" about it.

Ok. This is who I think makes up the remaining roles so far.

CTR: Defense Attorney
Xhin: Prosecutor
Trever: Townie/Sleepwalker
I think chief may be a watcher or tracker along with Jo.

You suck, Majora. I knew exactly how long I had, and you had to go changing the rules.

Plus, I knew that it was 3-2 on votes and not 2-2. Hope they buy it tomorrow.

We need to look back at who CtR defended, so we can cast doubt on them...

And had you said the round was ending as originally scheduled, I would have played differently.

Anyway.

CtR's target was either Dooku or somebody who was not a target at all. We should figure out the watcher and tracker, in case I die next round.

I'm just glad it wasn't done a few minutes earlier and had the thread locked. Also, I updated round info (through the admin panel, not mafia panel) for Night 4. Once I see that you changed the announcement, I'll remove my addition.


I think Frustro is our best option for tonight. We have 4 townies left, and some claimed power roles. Frustro is CONFIRMED innocent, so he will definitely never be lynched. Kassie is probably a power role, but I don't want to risk hitting a vanilla townie and worsening our odds. Here's what I've got:

Roxas, townie?
Frustro, sheriff
Serpe, probable townie
Xhin, Prosecutor
Jo, ?
Chief, townie?
Trever, ?
Count, club. MAY get doubt on him because of CtR's death, but doubtful.
Kassie, W/T.

So I think Jo, Chief or Trever is the W or T, and Kassie is the other.

If I don't get lynched next round, I think we could get people after Kassie. There's enough mystery around about silencing, as I "don't know" if I was silenced for Day 1. Odds are poor, one would think, that the Mafia would silence someone like Kassie twice. That's why I don't want to kill her tonight.

I am not yet casting an official kill vote. FAW, obviously you shouldn't, either.

Removed my Announcement Addition.

I wanted to remove it so you could control the whole announcement. I see you added it back... heh.

I'm not sure if this is against the rules or not but...
Knuckles is on my MSN list and ya know how this dude can just talk on and on and on even when you don't respond to him. After he was host killed, he was talking about how CTR was his defense attorney. Though I dunno how true that is.

I'm definitely thinking Kassie is one too. She's probably trying to stay quiet so she doesn't get found out. Though she has this bad thing of making her look guilty.

I can roll with the Frustro idea as well.

Well we should assume it was Count anyway, not that it matters at all now.

In that case, I vote to kill Frustro. If we don't get good data about W or T, I think we will probably want to kill Dooku next, what with him being nearly surely a nom-townie.

I can roll with that plan.

Not sure if Majora considers that an official vote from you, for purposes of ending the night round...

And to review what we know and plan:
4 townies. Roxas, Chief and Serpe are probably 3 of them. Roxas was silenced.
1 LEG member. Count Dooku. Probably the Night 5 target.
1 Watcher + 1 Tracker. Kassie and either Jo (more likely) or Trever, I think. Kassie was silenced, but the town can't confirm it.

I'm going to target Kassie, arguing that it's unlikely that she'd be silenced twice, and that I may have been silenced Day 1. You'll probably be best off going after a townie, either Chief or Serpe. Though you may be targeted based on the role claim.

Well in that case I vote to kill Frustro.

I dunno. I may be feeling a bit cocky but I don't think I'm one of the main suspects.

I maaaaaaaay go after Serpe, and kinda Kassie at the same time, just because of their inactivity, which no one in this game likes.

Due to my townie claim, I'm going to wait for a while before replying. Don't want people thinking I have a night role Majora was waiting on, after all...

Well now I'm starting to prep for my death. Doubt I'll be able to talk my way into another round of survival. You'll really have your work cut out for you, needing to kill off 8 more people. I did try to make them more unsure about who the Newcomer is, but it's damn unlikely. Damn this constant roleclaiming...

I'd be shocked if Roxas doesn't sit on Kassie tonight (assuming he's the Watcher, apparently). That would spell the end for you, narrowing down who the Newcomer could be. You may be better off killing Roxas and hoping that Kassie doesn't pick you to follow. The odds sure don't seem to be in your favor. Best that can happen is Kassie follows a sleepwalker who also visits Roxas.

I vote to kill Roxas