Mafia

It's most interesting how every game sports new roles and new twists on the game every time. How many games must we play before we run out of new ways? {:)} Even then, I doubt we will tire of it - we rarely play the same way twice.

Once again, Mafia boys, I'm calling you out... with a little Marco Polo.

MARCO!

Polo!

Wait, no... I'm innocent {:(}

Anyway, seems to be a nice array of roles this game. I'm glad that this game and last have omitted the cop. The game is a lot more interesting when there isn't a role around that can just say "X is mafia" and then that person can't do nothing.

I'd like to point out, before anyone suggests it, that this game we do have a fair few decent power roles (and a bunch of townies/sleepwalkers for the mafia to hide in) so a role reveal won't be useful until either the townies/sleepwalkers are gone or as an act of desperation. Plus the mafia don't have the janitor (thank god, that role was getting so repetitive and boring -_-).

Also if Xhin goes on a blind rampage again, ignore him!

Also... I signed up before chief and I am after him in the list? This is favouritism of the worst kind!

Agreed. I was getting tired of that role. Always being left in the dark and stuff. At least if we do a role reveal this time, they can't hide so easy.



Yeah... his stunts last game made me realize why people want him killed off early each game... {:P}

This should turn out to be an interesting game. I can't wait to see how the new roles affect the game.

In my opinion, the post I am making right now is absolutely meaningless.

In my opinion, the post I am making right now is absolutely meaningless.

You're not even playing!

I'd like to point out, before anyone suggests it, that this game we do have a fair few decent power roles (and a bunch of townies/sleepwalkers for the mafia to hide in) so a role reveal won't be useful until either the townies/sleepwalkers are gone or as an act of desperation. Plus the mafia don't have the janitor (thank god, that role was getting so repetitive and boring -_-).

Specifically because there is no janitor, a role reveal later on might be a good idea. Certainly not right away, but if they happen to kill off mostly townies that will significantly lower the pool of possible candidates.

And a Day 1 no kill is usually only applicable when we have a cop. Last game both our Day 1 and Day 2 lynches were correct, so unless we can't find anyone specific, probably not a No Kill day.

I have mixed feelings about a mass roleclaim. In the last game it just told the mafia who to target, and given that we have some fairly useful roles (watcher, tracker, sheriff) I'd rather not give them up immediately. The nurse blocking night activities also makes protecting claimed roles worse for us, as they become rather useless.

As for Day 1... preferably we lynch someone rather than a no-kill, but the odds are against us...

Actually, let's just lynch Xhin so he can't go on a rampage.

Yeah, I just want to keep it open as a possibility, definitely not right away though.

I am guessing Majora just copied and pasted the list from the Mafia panel, which is the same thing I did when I was host. I have no idea why the order on the panel turns out the way it does, but it just scrambles things around.



As I said last game, the power roles did not help the town once {:P} Basically all you Mafia dudes did was kill off ordinary townies with fancy names. You even killed off chiefsonny before he managed to do anything.

Anyway, I might be for a role reveal, but I am going to hold on the details about how and when. I will have to closely assess how the game plays out before agreeing to/promoting it this time around. Last time it should have helped the town weed out the Mafia, yet for some reason it sent everyone into a senseless frenzy that secured a Mafia win. If signs show that could happen again, I will be against the mass role reveal.

By the way... the tally is still showing results from the last game.

I have mixed feelings about a mass roleclaim. In the last game it just told the mafia who to target, and given that we have some fairly useful roles (watcher, tracker, sheriff) I'd rather not give them up immediately.

first of all you said the mafia, instead of "us"
second of all, we didnt target people on the basis of roles.

I'm watching you dooku...

or i guess "we" would be correct.

I'm watching you, watching me, watching you...

Specifically because there is no janitor, a role reveal later on might be a good idea. Certainly not right away, but if they happen to kill off mostly townies that will significantly lower the pool of possible candidates.

You just reworded what I said and repeated it {:P}

Anyway, I might be for a role reveal, but I am going to hold on the details about how and when.

Later in the game, depending on what types of roles get killed off. Right now though we have some decent power roles, it'd be stupid to give them away until we have to.

Last time it should have helped the town weed out the Mafia, yet for some reason it sent everyone into a senseless frenzy that secured a Mafia win.

You clearly haven't worked it out yet so I'll explain why it didn't work last game. There were plenty of townies to hide as. Same as this game:

Special Club Member x2
Sleepwalker x3
Townie x3

They have three groups to pick from, if you do a role reveal chances are they will all go for Sleepwalker & Townie claims, one might even go for Special Club Member. We then have to spend our time narrowing down who they could be, meanwhile because the useful power roles have revealed the mafia kills them whilst the town potentially kills of townies. The only reason it worked so well two games ago was because we had a lot of unique roles and few townies. It's not the "I win" strategy and tbh anyone discussing it as credible at this stage is more likely to be mafia (although I think in your case you just still haven't worked it out).

wanted me to deliver this message, btw.

Hello fellow Mafia players. I probably will not have steady internet access through this Labor Day Weekend. I am in the process of helping a friend move her father's apartment in to his new house. If this does change, I will try to gain access to the site. Best of luck everybody, and see you when I get back!

also wanted me to include the time for some reason, 9:46 pm.

Anyway, i'm going to do what I always do at times like these, and random vote.

You just reworded what I said and repeated it

Well, I don't think we need all the townies gone for it, just a handful.

Well, I don't think we need all the townies gone for it, just a handful.

Ok I'll change it to "same basic thing" then {:P}

@Shad~

I think random vote might not be the best idea either, too risky at this point. Plus I don't believe White Thunder is mafia, so I wouldn't go with that random anyway.

I think random vote might not be the best idea either, too risky at this point. Plus I don't believe White Thunder is mafia, so I wouldn't go with that random anyway.

Well that tells me you either know something we don't, or you may be both mafia defending each other. Or you could just be blindly saying that, but I don't think thats like you. Besides, it's a better action than no voting in my opinion, and I have constantly pointed out why as situations were given in previous games.

Well that tells me you either know something we don't, or you may be both mafia defending each other. Or you could just be blindly saying that, but I don't think thats like you. Besides, it's a better action than no voting in my opinion, and I have constantly pointed out why as situations were given in previous games.

The problem with a random vote is that its... random... And given the ratio of town-mafia, we're far more likely to kill someone that isn't mafia.

Better to see who comes off as suspicious like was done with Roxas.

The problem with a random vote is that its... random... And given the ratio of town-mafia, we're far more likely to kill someone that isn't mafia.

Better to see who comes off as suspicious like was done with Roxas.

And the problem with no voting is we may never get someone who comes off as suspicious until we are forced to vote based on suspicion, or randomly. It's happened before. At least we have a chance of taking down mafia this way.

Well that tells me you either know something we don't, or you may be both mafia defending each other. Or you could just be blindly saying that, but I don't think thats like you. Besides, it's a better action than no voting in my opinion, and I have constantly pointed out why as situations were given in previous games.

Or I am defending an innocent townie? It's convenient how people amit the option they don't want to accept. From what we've seen of White Thunder thus far, he's done nothing suspicious and has only spoken about things in a helpful to the town way. It's usually impossible to make an accurate judgement on day 1 (though Roxas last game was fairly easy {:P}) which is why he's not ruled out... But out of all the people that have posted so far he's been one of the least suspicious...

If I had to pick someone to vote off right now based kn ehats been said ai far I'd pick you, followed by Trever... Buuut I don't currently think either of you are mafia.

We have three days to observe what people say, I'd prefer it if we use as much if that time as we can. Day 1 can be a gold mine of information if we let it be.

Or I am defending an innocent townie? It's convenient how people amit the option they don't want to accept. From what we've seen of White Thunder thus far, he's done nothing suspicious and has only spoken about things in a helpful to the town way. It's usually impossible to make an accurate judgement on day 1 (though Roxas last game was fairly easy ) which is why he's not ruled out... But out of all the people that have posted so far he's been one of the least suspicious...

If I had to pick someone to vote off right now based kn ehats been said ai far I'd pick you, followed by Trever... Buuut I don't currently think either of you are mafia.

We have three days to observe what people say, I'd prefer it if we use as much if that time as we can. Day 1 can be a gold mine of information if we let it be.

You seriously can't take my throwing stuff out there, can you? Voting for people cause they throw everything they see out there gets us nowhere. I never said you, or White Thunder was Mafia, I said I find it odd how your so quick to defend him based on a RANDOM vote. plus you don't KNOW he's a townie unless you are mafia, the cop, or spoke with him outside.

And the fact that you would vote for me based on me being me, and pointing that out is even more suspicious.

But there is no cop this game

But there is no cop this game

Didn't notice. But all the more reason to be suspicious. Though I don't fully understand how these watchers, and trackers work, so.

Oh, theres only other possibility, the Special club. Editing should really be allowed here.

But again, what is all this visiting stuff, Majora? It's really confusing, like it says you pick one person at random to visit the club, and the watcher and tracker detect visitors (as guilty?).

Oh ok. I sent that after you posted that. I pretty much get it now except for that part about visitors in the club, that you allow.

Oh, I see...Complex game.

Well, unless I get a reason to vote otherwise, i'm keeping my random vote.

I would recommend that our tracker and watcher do NOT reveal who visited who unless the visit resulted in a death. That way we keep our power roles anonymous for as long as possible.

Of course, if Person A visits Person B and Person B dies, you should immediately tell us who visited...

I would recommend that our tracker and watcher do NOT reveal who visited who unless the visit resulted in a death. That way we keep our power roles anonymous for as long as possible.

Of course, if Person A visits Person B and Person B dies, you should immediately tell us who visited...

However, don't forget that the sleepwalker, or whoever could visit them, as well as the person getting killed the next day, so we could end up with two people. Or one if mafia kills don't count as visits.

ALSO, don't forget the ninja. He or she could easily cover their tracks, and the sleepwalker will be blamed if they visited.

I had forgotten the ninja... annoying...

I just noticed the massive typos in my last reply... It's times like this that I miss the edit feature {:P}

You seriously can't take my throwing stuff out there, can you? Voting for people cause they throw everything they see out there gets us nowhere.

You're not even paying attention to what I said are you?

You're not even paying attention to what I said are you?

I did, but did you read what I said afterwards? From my viewpoint, the only options are that you are both in the secret club, you talked to white thunder outside of the forum, you're mafia, or you are just blindly defending him. Over a RANDOM vote.

Thinking everything over, I think that the most likely is mafia. Again, not saying for sure since some people assume too much, but ya.

propose we just take votes for whoever we find suspicious. This game looks like it will be a reckless one anyways, so maybe we shouldn't waste time.

Sorry, was out all day today. Gorgous weather to enjoy...

Anywho, so far we have the typical back and forth, and nothing else. There is one person who has raised my suspicions, but I'm not willing to say who yet.

I WILL say that I have a strong feeling that Shad is innocent(and incredibly yappy. :p).

or you are just blindly defending him.

I trust my current reading of him over your random vote.

I propose we just take votes for whoever we find suspicious. This game looks like it will be a reckless one anyways, so maybe we shouldn't waste time.

As I said earlier, we have 72 hours for the day round. We're better off using this to its fullest rather than recklessly voting.

I WILL say that I have a strong feeling that Shad is innocent(and incredibly yappy. :p).

Someone has to keep it going, and make people talk. (hehe)

I trust my current reading of him over your random vote.

There are 19 people voting in here. What makes you think White Thunder would get the vote unless there was reason to suspect him? Not worth speaking up for IN MY OPINION unless you knew something.

As I said earlier, we have 72 hours for the day round. We're better off using this to its fullest rather than recklessly voting.

Yes, but we can do that when we are about to run out of time too. From this game, we prolly won't find anything out except for verbal Mafia slip ups anyway.

There are 19 people voting in here. What makes you think White Thunder would get the vote unless there was reason to suspect him? Not worth speaking up for IN MY OPINION unless you knew something.

As Xhin showed last game, the town are prone to following other votes when they don't have a clue. As for why I'm speaking up, I don't like to see innocents get lynched.

Like Feral, I was out all day. And a bad day it was. I drove for 1 hour and 45 minutes to watch the Penn State Football team get their ass kicked in their home opener.:(

I have no suspicions of anyone right now. But that may be because my mind is clouded from the beer I had at the tailgate party after the game.

But I will say this, I hope we don't rush through this first 3 day round and not give as many people as possible a chance to post.
Remember, that here in the states this is a long weekend holiday (Labor Day) and a lot of people may be away from home.

Sorry redack. I must have been typing when you posted about the 72 hour thing.

The Sleepwalkers won't know that they're Sleepwalkers, though, right? So if there was a role call, there'd be at most seven (I'm going with there being four Townies instead of three, since that fills the total player count) people rightfully claiming the Townie role.

What really sucks is there's the potential of a Prosecutor trying to get a Townie lynched, and an Attorney defending a Mafia member, so that'd shift the advantage in the Mafia's favor. Of course, that could easily be switched around for the Town's favor... Or they would both have the same person to defend/prosecute. {troll}

I've said it a few times this post {:P}

No reason to rush anything. I won't be voting for awhile.

Red brings up a good point about bandwagoning. We need to think for ourselves rather then playing "follow the leader". My gut is telling me that Shad is innocent, but I don't want people agreeing for the sake of agreeing. I am known for poor judgement, so who knows...

As Xhin showed last game, the town are prone to following other votes when they don't have a clue. As for why I'm speaking up, I don't like to see innocents get lynched.

And... you know he's innocent, how?

MM9, I think the vote tallies need to be reset. It looks like we're about kill ~roxas` and 15 people have voted already.(horror)

No, I agree with you Feral. Shad is innocent, I even said as much earlier. I think your judgement in this case is good.

And... you know he's innocent, how?

I never said I know, I'm just confident he is at this point. Should he do something to change that opinion I'll be sure to say.

What I originally said, and you seen to have twisted, is that out of everyone that's posted so far Thunder seems innocent whilst you seem suspicious (which I also added I think you're innocent in the same reply).

I see, guess I may have twisted it unintentionally. But I still have my eyes on you.

As Xhin showed last game, the town are prone to following other votes when they don't have a clue.

Yeah.

However... the town dosn't have many options at that point. I'm sure if there was enough evidence on anyone, the majority would most likely vote that way. Better than doing nothing in my honest opinion.

No one has suggested doing nothing. I've suggested waiting.

Wow people considering something other than no vote?

Oh I understand that well enough. My point being the town did well scoping out the Mafia before that, so the role reveal should have just helped narrow that field down.

Wow people considering something other than no vote?

Without a cop it doesn't accomplish anything.

Oh I understand that well enough.

Considering you held the same mistaken belief two games in a row now, you'll have to forgive me if I don't believe you {;)}

No I won't forgive you {:P} I explained my reasoning already.

I think we can do with avoiding any heated arguments, at least this early in the game. :S

Fixed. Everyone please revote. Too tired to go through this thread, but I'll go for No Kill for now.

Frustro, it's the heated arguements that cause people to slip. Got us both Roxas and Majora right off the bat last game.

Frustro, it's the heated arguements that cause people to slip. Got us both Roxas and Majora right off the bat last game.

Majora was town sided {:P} I think you mean Yoshi.

Yes, I did. I'm WAY over-tired, and grabbed the wrong name.

... Lawd. Welp, I'll just leave those moments to you guys then.

Ironic that he said that when MM9 is the host this game.

Alright. After super working all weekend I've finally had some time to get on the computer and check out the first day.
The roles here are really interesting and makes me excited for the game.
I personally don't think a randomized vote is a great idea cuz the bandwagoning thing as mentioned before and tr fact of if we really don't get anywhere in the next three days (like last game) someone with one vote will get lynched and i think it'll most likely be a Townie. Then we're one short and Mafia might get the upper hand. So for now, I'll just continue my usual strategy of reading and watching.

Well, since mine was random anyway, might as well.

This is no kill day

Looks like things are getting interesting. Also, I'm sorry for the inconvenience my absence caused. :D But I'm ready to play now.

D: And I've already been drafted to die.

Let's see what information the next night actions bring...

Sorry for my absence, guys. I'm obviously not Silenced--Zanic and I were at a family gathering this weekend.

Anyway, we've got some very interesting roles this time around. I agree with Redack that an early role-reveal won't accomplish anything with this setup--there are plenty of Townies (including the Sleepwalkers) for the Mafia to hide among and we don't have a reliable protector role. At this point the best thing the special roles can do is try to blend in among the town, because if enough of them survive late into the game then they'll be able to roleclaim and possibly narrow down the pool of possible Mafia to a manageable amount. Without the Janitor in play, there's really no benefit to roleclaiming early anyway because we can be almost certain that late-game roleclaims are truthful unless there's a counter-claim. Also, no one should claim normal Townie at this point either--we all want to leave our roles ambiguous so as not to give the Mafia any clues as to who is what.

The Watcher and Tracker have the potential to be absolutely amazing, especially if we can get rid of the Ninja, but they also could wind up as complete duds. Most of the time their readings are probably not going to be all that helpful but there's definitely a chance that one of them could turn the tide in the late-game. Their presence also means that figuring out who is silenced could actually be important: if they know who visited the silenced player, they may want to reveal a little early since they've more than likely figured out the Silencer.

I see a few potential uses for the Nurse, each with their own benefits and drawbacks. The first and most obvious is just for the Nurse to save people randomly during the night and hope to get lucky, but that's unreliable at best and might wind up impeding special roles at worst. Alternatively, the Sheriff could reveal--since his actions happen during the day, he should be immune to being roleblocked (correct me if I'm wrong, MM9)--and the Nurse could just keep him alive at the price of being stuck on one player the entire time (not to mention that if the Mafia found the Nurse early on the Sheriff would be exposed). The other option I thought of is that the Nurse could target players they view as suspicious in the hopes of roleblocking a Mafia kill/silencing. It's possible that we'd even find a Mafia member that way--if no one is killed/saved or no one is silenced, it's possible that the person the Nurse targeted was the Ninja/Silencer (though we have to be careful with that since the Mafia could choose not to kill anyone in order to frame someone/get the Nurse to reveal).

The Sheriff's power is best-used when we're suspicious of two different players at once and it's something of a "one of these two is probably Mafia" situation. That way we'll get information and still have a chance to make our actions during the day round based on that new information. He should also wait until later in the game to use his powers, as they'll become much more crucial if we get down to the wire. Oh, and if you're a special role and you're about to be lynched, PLEASE roleclaim. It's better for you to be exposed to the Mafia kill at night than for the Town to kill you during the day.

2. `Roxas`
14. hezekiah
19. Kassie the Eevee

are the only candidates for being silenced this round (though it's possible I missed someone).

2. `Roxas`
14. hezekiah
19. Kassie the Eevee

You missed CtR Black. Who I have a gut instinct was silenced. However, I think it's highly possible that one or multiple of these are Mafia, as this would may be a good game to stay silent in with the Sheriff, and all. But then whatever. I'm very tired atm.

Ignore the above about Ctr Black. my word finder decided to malfunction or something on me. ._.

I have been investigating the silencing. My first thought was Lancer, but he just posted. My second thought was Roxas, but he hasn't been in GT all weekend(I sent him a PM, but he has yet to reply). I seriously doubt any good Mafia player would risk silencing a non-frequent player like Kassie. That only leaves Hezekiah or they silenced no one.

IF the mafia did silence someone, it's likely Roxas out of that group.

No logic to silencing Kassie, especially since she's not played for a while (or am I the only one that wouldn't silence new/infrequent players on day 1?)...

Hez usually ain't too vocal at this stage.

Roxas is very vocal all the way through the game, it seems likely he'd be the silenced one.

Of course as I said, this is IF they silenced anyone, or even if one of those aren't mafia and silenced themself. Their are varied possibilities, but who is silenced isn't that relevant overall. It's not proof of innocence and it's only use is for the mafia, there is little use establishing who is silenced. The only reason I can think of doing so is if someone is acting different, but they could be busy, dying in hospital, etc, so it's not much use there either.

dying in hospital

Always thinking positively {:P}

Always thinking positively

Well it's in case I ever poison Dooku as punishment for his betrayals.

Anyway I think I've got what I need from this round. Night actions probably won't give us much info, but we'll see...

Also INB4 I die.

I agree with the No Kill option. We'll get more information from the night round than here.

Sigh. I guess I've been overruled.

We got about 12 hours left of day 1, guys! If we are gonna make a move, now would be the time.

Of course as I said, this is IF they silenced anyone, or even if one of those aren't mafia and silenced themself. Their are varied possibilities, but who is silenced isn't that relevant overall. It's not proof of innocence and it's only use is for the mafia, there is little use establishing who is silenced. The only reason I can think of doing so is if someone is acting different, but they could be busy, dying in hospital, etc, so it's not much use there either.

Normally I'd agree, but in this game we have the Watcher and Tracker, and there's a chance they caught the Silencer in the act so I think we should make a point of figuring out who was silenced each day. The counter to that is that the Mafia don't have to silence anyone, but if they do we should figure out who because there's a chance it could pay off big.

I think WT has a point in that a No Kill vote isn't going to be especially helpful without a Cop, but at this point it's better than taking a random shot in the dark. I have a couple of minor suspicions but nothing I'm willing to go off of just yet.

If you can't be active, you should not be here.

Since it's only the first day round, I'll wait and see how it goes.

Round over. Official result is "No Kill". Night actions may now act.

I guess Night Talk is on by technicality. I will update the announcement via the admin panel.

I'm taking the liberty to set posting restrictions on this thread so that only Majora will be able to post.

Sorry, forgot all about you, Deputy Mayor Yeano. I'll reset the announcement then.

Could a mod please lock and retitle this thread? Remeber, Majora has no mod powers.