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game 11 night 3 the crickets are chirping

Posted September 9, 2012 by MajorasMask9

DAY THREE

It was 1am. Nurse Feral was walking home from the hospital, when all of a sudden a mysterious figure jumped out of the bushes and viciously assaulted him. Later, a bystander stumbled across Feral's body and called for help, but it was too late...

1. White Thunder
2. `Roxas`
3. white lancer
4. Zanic
5. Feral - Nurse
6. Shad~
7. CtR Black
8. Frustro
9. Female Alpha Wolf
10. #85 - Townie
11. Serpe
12. Xhin
13. Jo Nathan
14. hezekiah
15. Trever Leingod
16. Count Dooku
17. chiefsonny
18. Redack - Special Club Member
19. Kassie the Eevee

Ratio: 4-10 (2)

Roles:
Ninja, Silencer, Hooker, Newcomer
Watcher, Tracker, Special Club Member x1, Sheriff, Sleepwalker x3?, Townie x4?
Prosecutor, Defense Attorney.

Round will end in 72 hours or when there are 10 votes for the same option.

There are 66 Replies

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Well I'm not silenced, and Feral was telling the truth. Sucks we lost another power role, but i guess it beats having the Watcher or Tracker turn up dead. I know Feral was hoping to be Watched, I wonder if that ended up happening. And if so, who'd they see?

Hmm... I'll look through again in the morning, I'm too tired to stay up late tonight.

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hezekiah

I'd like to hear (or possibly not hear from somebody) from others before going forward with a vote.

Terrible loss with the only role that could, in a sense, protect us.

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`Roxas`

Unless the Watcher got some actual hard evidence, I don't think they should reveal. If they watched Feral they probably didn't actually get anything, since the Ninja is still around and would be doing most of the Mafia kills for them.

With the Ninja still active, we really can't rely upon the Watcher or Tracker for information in this game--odds are they just won't get anything helpful at this point, especially if we suspect they might not have silenced anyone yesterday (the only possible silence target is Serpe). It's likely that they're choosing not to silence people in order to keep a low profile/cause some chaos--I guess it's also possible that the Silencer is simply inactive, but I note that the night round didn't go for the full 24 hours this time.

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white lancer

Redack, very on top of the game lately, was suspicious of lancer. We analyzed the suspicion, we (mostly) agreed that lancer is at the very least a little bit suspicious. He led the charge against 85, who was innocent, and so I think the vote is obvious.

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White Thunder

There was legitimate, historical reasoning to suspect #85 being Mafia though.

I'm still not sold on lancer's innocence/guilt.

September 9, 2012
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`Roxas`

Now that I'm finally home from work and got to read over everything that happened in the last round while I was there:

There was legitimate, historical reasoning to suspect #85 being Mafia though.


This.

Plus he also kinda incriminated himself. If he knew he was innocent, why not speak up? That's kinda how we lost the last game.

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Female Alpha Wolf

Mostly just here to say i'm not silenced. It's been a long night. Theres too much to think about atm, I was sure #85 was mafia. So for now i'm just going to random vote, and see what I get.

September 9, 2012
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Shad~

Okay, so we have ten people who have yet to speak up this early in the round. I'm probably hopping off the site here soon for the night, so I will probably post in the morning about the possible silenced group.

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`Roxas`

I was pretty confident #85 was Mafia as well--it's tough to explain his flip-flopping on the "no kill" vote in the first round and his vote for Dooku (even though we could be fairly sure he was innocent) last round otherwise. I admit that I made a mistake there but I had legitimate reasons for making it, and I was hardly the only one 'leading the charge' against him.

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white lancer

Plus he also kinda incriminated himself. If he knew he was innocent, why not speak up? That's kinda how we lost the last game.

Maybe he was busy for, what, the day or two we were suspicious of him? You can't blame someone for not being on 24/7. I never said he wasn't suspicious, only that lancer led the charge, and that he mostly only followed his line of reasoning.

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White Thunder

You were the first to vote for him.

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White Thunder

Yes, I was, and like I said I think there were good reasons for that.

September 9, 2012
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white lancer

As Knux has said, #85 was active on the site in the questioned period (between midnight on the 6th to the round's end). As far as I can tell, he wouldn't just forget about the game.

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`Roxas`

White Thunder Voted for white lancer

White-on-white violence :(

September 9, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Exactly--he's been a consistent player all this time and has usually been a very active contributor. Maybe he was just busy or something this time around, but it didn't match with how he's played in the past and he didn't even bother to give us an excuse. Just seemed strange all around, especially if he was online after the accusations came his way. :-/

Anyway, the only players that I'm confident aren't Mafia are Xhin and Dooku, although at the moment I'm not particularly suspicious of Shad (even though random voting is NOT the way to go). There are a number of players who have been relatively quiet this game and I'd like to hear a bit more from them before I cast my vote today (I'm looking at you, hezy, Trever, and chief).

September 9, 2012
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white lancer

Xhin Voted for Count Dooku

XD Good luck with that one.

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white lancer

Honestly, if we kill anybody today, I think it should be Serpe. This person hasn't posted but once or twice in Day One. I find it EXTREMELY doubtful that the Mafia would waste on a silence on an already quiet player.

September 9, 2012
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`Roxas`

I'm voting for Lancer again, given that he lead the charge against #85. I fully expect for everyone to vote for someone innocent instead, though.

Xhin Voted for Count Dooku

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Count Dooku

To be fair though, we don't REALLY know for SURE if your the other special club member, or if Xhin just isn't lying for some reason (as he did in past games, I believe it was when he was the doctor, and I got him lynched). It PROLLY is this way, but we dunno.

And I know, I know. But I have severe insomnia.

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Shad~

I don't see how some of you can be so sure about the people you're voting for. Honestly, it's moves like that, that happen to lose us the game. Why don't you back up your votes with some actual evidence. Not all this gut feeling crap. You're all better than that.

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Zanic

Just to clarify, Dooku's last reply counted as a vote for white lancer. YouTube videos cut off the vote text. Just stating this in case anyone gets confused like I was for the past 30 seconds :).

September 9, 2012
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MajorasMask9

CtR, Frustro, Serpe, Jo Nathan, chiefsonny, Trever, and Kassie haven't responded yet.

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`Roxas`

Why don't you back up your votes with some actual evidence. Not all this gut feeling crap. You're all better than that.

I completely agree with Zanic. We cannot be reckless or we will lose this game. We should rely on evidence rather than just gut feelings. Go by what you know, not what you feel. Without a cop role, we are mostly shooting in the dark unless a Watcher actually gets some evidence - which is unlikely.

One of the bad things about using new, untested roles is this:

When certain roles are used in conjunction, one of the two can be completely useless due to the other one's power. In Xhin's first version of game 9, I was the Trickster - a Mafia that silenced a particular role rather than a particular person. So if just one person didn't talk the following day, you knew their role to add to the sweetness. But Redack being the clever fellow he is realized that if a whole group of people didn't post, the Mafia would have to pick their role out of 6 or so people. With this exploit, the power was nearly useless.

The same applies this game. The Mafia clearly discovered a clever exploit with the Watcher. They will plan and slowly pick out their daily target, while making sure their Ninja is always the first to vote. While the Ninja lives, you can bet your bottom dollar the Watcher won't be catching any Mafia at night.

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Trever Leingod

While the Ninja lives, you can bet your bottom dollar the Watcher won't be catching any Mafia at night.

I don't necessarily think that is so. If some clarification could be provided, but if the Watcher watches somebody and the Silencer targets that person as well, would the result in the Silencer being caught?

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`Roxas`

CtR, Frustro, Serpe, Jo Nathan, chiefsonny, Trever, and Kassie haven't responded yet.


I posted in the Day 2 round that I have been busy with rl issues that have taken me out of town for 8-9 hours every day now since Tuesday (9-4) Yesterday Saturday (9-8) I left home at 1:30PM and did not get home until today Sunday (9-9) at 3:15AM. I also posted this info in the mod forum where several of the Mafia player could have read it. These issues have been resolved (I hope).

Anyone that knows me and how I feel about this game would know that there would have to be a damn good reason for me not be active in it. I have not been silenced just busy with rl issues.

That said, I'm also the biggest advocate for getting rid of people that sign up and then don't play, so I will fully understand if you want to lynch me.

I just got up and will read through the post.

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chiefsonny
 

If some clarification could be provided, but if the Watcher watches somebody and the Silencer targets that person as well, would the result in the Silencer being caught?


If the Watcher watches someone that the Silencer, Hooker, or Newcomer target, they'll see that the person they watched got visited by whoever. If the Tracker tracks the Silencer, Hooker, or Newcomer, they'll see who they visited as well.

The Ninja is the only mafia member that doesn't appear as doing anything to the Watcher or Tracker.

September 9, 2012
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MajorasMask9

i honestly havent been paying that much attention to the game. but i believe dooku's innocent. i believe xhin, MAY be innocent. so

September 9, 2012
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CtR Black

Must have missed the one in Day Two and not yet seen the one in the Mod Forum, though I do thank you for responding and narrowing down the list.

Still not sure what to do with this round. Game history wasn't on our side last round with #85 being a Townie. I'll try sitting back and waiting to collect more information.

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`Roxas`

@`Roxas` It is in the "Someone having fun" thread in the mod forum.

But it's not that big a deal. Bottom line. I have not been as active as I usually am and it could be valid concern for other players.

I have not decided who I'm going to vote for yet. But I do no this. I fear this game will end like the last one. A loss for the town. We had a big disadvantage going in and will lose because of it. We're already down 2 to their none.

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chiefsonny
 

Oh... of course the other Mafia power roles get watched too with their individual night actions. That's what I get for making a reply first thing in the morning. {:P}

Anyway, I'm not sold on white lancer's guilt just yet. Along with #85's possibly suspicious actions yesterday and the fact white lancer could be the Watcher/Tracker who happened to see (possibly sleepwalker) #85 stumble into Redack's room on Night 1, things are not necessarily pointing at his guilt. However, he is currently the only one with any reasons to be suspected (I'm pretty much sold on Count Dooku and Xhin's claims), so we all must keep a close eye.

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Trever Leingod

But Redack being the clever fellow he is realized that if a whole group of people didn't post, the Mafia would have to pick their role out of 6 or so people. With this exploit, the power was nearly useless.

Why are other people always getting credit for my ideas? That was 100% my strategy! >:-{ But you're right that the Watcher/Tracker aren't likely to get any information out of Mafia kills, since the Ninja exists just to counter those two roles. That doesn't stop the W/T from catching the Silencer or Hooker, though, which is why there's still value in trying to figure out who (if anyone) was silenced.

I completely agree with Zanic. We cannot be reckless or we will lose this game. We should rely on evidence rather than just gut feelings. Go by what you know, not what you feel. Without a cop role, we are mostly shooting in the dark unless a Watcher actually gets some evidence - which is unlikely.

I get where you guys are going with this, but what evidence are you suggesting we rely upon? The W/T are unreliable (and should stay hidden unless they get something concrete) so all we really have to go off of is whatever is said in this post, so gut feelings are going to have to come into play at some point. I completely agree that we have to be careful about those, though, since relying 100% on them has always got us into trouble (the classic example is the game with LLight as the Cop, where people were so convinced he was Mafia that they interpreted everything that happened with him as suspicious, even if there was a perfectly logical explanation for it. The worst of it was when the Executioner didn't target him, knowing that the Governor might save him and that targeting him would take away suspicion, but the Town seized upon that as proof that he actually was Mafia instead).

Also, I'm not sure how you got the impression I was the Watcher or Tracker, but I never intended to imply that. I'm not really sure what the best course of action this round is--I have several suspicions but I'm not sure enough about them to cast my vote for them just yet. For now I'll go No Kill.

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white lancer

Why are other people always getting credit for my ideas? That was 100% my strategy!

Its not 'people', it's just Redack. He always gets the credit, just look at the Jedi Sith timeline and see how many mentions I got!

I don't see how some of you can be so sure about the people you're voting for. Honestly, it's moves like that, that happen to lose us the game. Why don't you back up your votes with some actual evidence. Not all this gut feeling crap. You're all better than that.

Gut feelings have this odd tendency to be correct in this game though.

They also have this hilarious tendency to be ignored because we're looking for some logical guilty party.

I firmly believe Redack knew something when he said in the Special Club thread if he died Lancer was definitely mafia.

Lancer is our best bet right now, like it or not.

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Count Dooku

Gut feelings have this odd tendency to be correct in this game though.

Unless you're me.

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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Geez, you guys work fast. o_o

And I can say I haven't been silenced. Only a tad busy I'm hoping that my reply the other day supports that. @ `Roxas`, I think a kill vote would be more suitable for someone who seems suspicious. Which is why I'll be putting my vote in now.

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Serpe

I agree that a kill vote would be best, but I'm withholding my vote until I am certain that I want to vote against somebody.

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`Roxas`

I know when MajorasMask made the comment of "if I die, lynch Yeano", it turned out to be right on the mark (sorry about not saving you, MM >_> ). Aside from that, the only thing weird about his actions is his either ignoring or barely acknowledging the accusations against him, which 85 did last round aaand... yeah. So, again, I'd like to hear his defense before voting.

Also, does Zanic normally get super defensive when the smallest inkling of suspicions are cast on him? It was sending up red flares for me, but if that's his usual reaction, then nevermind.

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Frustro

I think you guys are being a tad reckless with Lancer. But maybe i'm just paranoid from #85 not being mafia, in which case i'm going to try and balance this out with someone else who caught my suspicion just in case (assuming others vote too).

However if I get enough reason other than Redack was suspicious, I may jump on the bandwagon.

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Shad~

Also, does Zanic normally get super defensive when the smallest inkling of suspicions are cast on him? It was sending up red flares for me, but if that's his usual reaction, then nevermind.

I don't think he is. Headstrong at times, but not that.

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Shad~

Also, does Zanic normally get super defensive when the smallest inkling of suspicions are cast on him? It was sending up red flares for me, but if that's his usual reaction, then nevermind.

Zanic is behaving oddly. He also seems upset over WT and me voting for Lancer:

I don't see how some of you can be so sure about the people you're voting for. Honestly, it's moves like that, that happen to lose us the game. Why don't you back up your votes with some actual evidence. Not all this gut feeling crap. You're all better than that.

I think its safe to say if Lancer is guilty Zanic needs to be looked at too.

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Count Dooku

I always get defensive when I am accused. Everyone does. It just pisses me off how you people can come up with people to vote for off of nothing.

And I have no problem with you voting for lancer. As far as I'm concerned, he's mafia. I won't vote for him because that would go against everything I've argued this game. But I won't support him either. You guys can get enough votes without me.

And what makes you think you're running the show now Dooku? What happens if Lancer is innocent? I don't mean anything serious really, I just have doubts of your ability to judge atm.

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Zanic

That is how it is looking at shaping up, Dooku.

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`Roxas`

But not necessarily true.

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`Roxas`

It just pisses me off how you people can come up with people to vote for off of nothing.

I stated at the start of last round that my suspicions were based on what Redack had said, as well as Lancer's response to it.

And what makes you think you're running the show now Dooku? What happens if Lancer is innocent? I don't mean anything serious really, I just have doubts of your ability to judge atm.

You seem overly hostile, which is odd. As for running the show, I'm clearly not. If I were running the show Lancer would have been lynched yesterday instead of #85. Unfortunately I'm not the Governor again, so I can't force the town's hand.

If Lancer is innocent I'll gladly take a backseat for the rest of the game.

In fact, if Lancer is innocent we can go ahead and lynch me so Xhin gets his points.

As for this:

And I have no problem with you voting for lancer. As far as I'm concerned, he's mafia. I won't vote for him because that would go against everything I've argued this game. But I won't support him either. You guys can get enough votes without me.

Something isn't right in there. If you think he's mafia then vote for him. If you think he isn't mafia then tell us why. Distancing yourself from him only makes you look more suspicious.

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Count Dooku

This is the first chance I've had all weekend to check out the game, so let's see what we have here...

I have several suspicions of lancer, but one thing that I thought was particularly suspicious on the previous day (and I'm not sure if this was already brought up and I apologize if it was - I haven't enough time to go back and review in great detail) was the way lancer tried swaying Count Dooku from his reasoning - the "only a dumb person would do that" strategy. I feel that is a tactic a guilty person would use. That he also said "you're smarter than that" suggests a slight attempt at flattery to further help his cause - again, something I feel a guilty person would be more apt to use.

I also would keep Xhin and Count Dooku in the back of my mind. I'm sure the likelihood of Count not being the other club member is slim, but who knows both of these guys could be Mafia and have successfully convinced everyone to leave them alone for the rest of the game. I can't possibly imagine them going for such an incredibly risky strategy, but just something to think about.

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Jo Nathan

Why do you view everything I do as suspicious Dooku? I'm trying to prevent us from creating a problem. I don't understand why we're voting so heavily on one just because of a guess.

And I suppose if Lancer is guilty, you're going to aim at me because of Redack's prediction. Also because I'm questioning your decision.

I'm not voting for him because I've been arguing against voting for people off of guessing which I take is what you're doing. If he turns out to be guilty next round, I'd better not hear 'he must be mafia because he didn't vote for him'.

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Zanic

I'm going to aim at you for your reaction to even the SUGGESTION that someone would vote for you. Its not a normal reaction, especially when no one is even voting for you yet.

As for questioning my decision, I never said you couldn't. I'm certainly not voting for you because you disagree with me. If I did something that petty, I'd be voting for Trever and White Thunder because they disagreed with me and Redack about the roleclaim in round one.

I really can't understand whats up with you Zanic. You're throwing accusations at me for things I've not done and trying to make me out as the problem without proposing any alternative solutions.

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Count Dooku

Alright, I think i've seen enough... we won't get anywhere anyway until this whole White Lancer/Zanic thing is settled anyway... lets just hope we aren't wrong.

If we ARE wrong, I seriously think we should look at White Thunder, Trever, FAW, and Zanic.

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Shad~

I'm in a really pissy mood. Mostly because my Fantasy Football team is sucking.

Do you really think I'd outburst for no reason when no one's voting for me? I'm doing it mostly because you all seem so adamant to follow Redack's prediction. I'm afraid that Lancer might be guilty and that you'd all turn on me hoping to get 2 for 2. I'm wanting to stop that before it happens.

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Zanic

I'm afraid that Lancer might be guilty and that you'd all turn on me hoping to get 2 for 2. I'm wanting to stop that before it happens.

I don't think it's that alone, you just come off as suspicious to people on your own.

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Shad~

Well guy's let me remind everyone we're only 19 hours into the first day of Day 3 round and some people have yet to vote. So I think we need to take it easy and let this round at least go to the 2nd day.

Sometimes the more people talk the more you learn especially when they get a little hot under the collar. I know it nice when we can keep the game moving, but it's also great when we pick up a little info that may help us from voting off another townie.

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chiefsonny
 

Do you really think I'd outburst for no reason when no one's voting for me? I'm doing it mostly because you all seem so adamant to follow Redack's prediction. I'm afraid that Lancer might be guilty and that you'd all turn on me hoping to get 2 for 2. I'm wanting to stop that before it happens.

Calm down friend, if you're mafia and we lynch Lancer today I'll probably be dead tonight and the town will go off to lynch everyone that isn't you.

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Count Dooku

If we ARE wrong, I seriously think we should look at White Thunder, Trever, FAW, and Zanic.

That's fair, and of course Dooku too. The more I look at it the more I believe that both lancer and Zanic are guilty. But we shall see.

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White Thunder

I'm sorry for the outburst. I'm in a really bad mood as I said earlier. I'm caring way too much about this game. Let's just continue.

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Zanic

On my phone, I can't see the vote tallies (but I can vote)... what's the count at?

The more I see lancer post, the more I'm thinking he's mafia. If my vote won't end the round, I'll cast it for him. But I, like chief, don't see the point in rushing into anything. The more people say, the more evidence we can gather.

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hezekiah

7 votes for Lancer, 1 no vote. The no votes from Lancer.

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Shad~

Here's my vote. So what's that, one more and the day ends?

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Jo Nathan

Oh, sorry, I thought hezekiah had voted. Ok two more votes then, assuming nobody votes during the time it takes me to write this.

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Jo Nathan

Ya, 2 more votes. It would save us time anyway, so we may as well get it over with and end this conflict regarding Lancer...

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Shad~

As promised, here's my vote. I have some thoughts for tomorrow (assuming I survive the night), but think its better if I keep them to myself for now.

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hezekiah

Ugh. Just like last game I'm kinda hesitant to vote, even if the suspicion is in the back of my mind, but it's obvious where this round is going. Might as well see.

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Female Alpha Wolf

Well, Majora, it's all you. I HOPE Lancer is Mafia, but I doubt it for some reason tbh... we just won't get anywhere if we're stuck on Lancer.

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Shad~

I really wish lancer would've gotten online to throw in his two cents, but it's a bit late for that. Anyway, might as well throw in my vote too.

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Frustro

{:D}

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Count Dooku

My guts telling me Lancer is either the watcher, or Tracker. But my gut has about a 50/50 chance of being right in MAFIA.

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Shad~

NIGHT THREE

The town almost immediately knew who they were going to lynch: white lancer. And it's a good thing they did, too, as he was the Hooker!

The town, content with their victory, head to bed.

1. White Thunder
2. `Roxas`
3. white lancer - Hooker
4. Zanic
5. Feral - Nurse
6. Shad~
7. CtR Black
8. Frustro
9. Female Alpha Wolf
10. #85 - Townie
11. Serpe
12. Xhin
13. Jo Nathan
14. hezekiah
15. Trever Leingod
16. Count Dooku
17. chiefsonny
18. Redack - Special Club Member
19. Kassie the Eevee

Ratio: 3-10 (2)

Roles:
Ninja, Silencer, Newcomer
Watcher, Tracker, Special Club Member x1, Sheriff, Sleepwalker x3?, Townie x4?
Prosecutor, Defense Attorney.

Night will end in 24 hours or when all night actions are in.

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MajorasMask9

MIDNIGHT THREE

Deep in the night, a shadowy figure stealthly crept though the darkness, trailing his target. The shadowy figure was a hired hitman for the international mob. The target had pissed off the wrong people. Just as the individual was unlocking his door, the hitman darted up behind them, covering their mouth. A quick slash across the throat and hense ended the life of Shad, [green]The Townie[/green].

(Shad was superadmin host-killed for violating the terms Xhin set forth for his participation in the game.)

September 10, 2012
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