Mafia

If I had a hat I'd be stomping it into the ground right now. To throw in one last bit of proof of my innocence: I've been all but sure who the FBI Agent is for quite a while, since I actually paid attention to what Majora said, and would have killed the Agent in the Night instead of White Thunder, who was vouching for me. And CtR flying in to try to lynch me is loud and clear which side of the game I'm on.

For me there are two possibilities:

- CtR managed to vote to kill Majora in the Night before being arrested), making up for Kassie's absence. As such, Kassie would be the last Mafia.

- Jo is the last Mafia and is a goddamned mastermind, and I'll scream til I'm hoarse because this is the one game that I wasn't at all suspicious of him.

... and I'm pretty sure Roxas is enjoying these deaths on levels that frighten me.

If you had a hat I'd be stomping it with you. Taking the lead against #85 was a horrid move on my part. Why do people keep listening to me? {:(}

I have to think there's a 98% chance Kassie is not the last Mafia. And FAW has got to be the FBI Agent since Frustro was active pretty much this whole time. So...

Yeah. There's no point dancing around it. I feel that Frustro has to be the Godfather. It just looks too much like he was part of the group effort on Day 4 to take out Majora, which unfortunately #85 got caught in the middle of by actually voting for him.

I can only speculate, but I think CtR was expecting to die in the last round and his vote for Frustro was an attempt to do damage control for Frustro's suspicious actions. I was actually surprised that Frustro and Majora didn't go after CtR, but in hindsight I guess it's not all surprising.

I feel bad suspecting Frustro, but I have nothing else to go on.

And not for nothing, if I were a mastermind, I totally would have just let the night round go with no kill so we'd all go after Kassie.

... Waaait a minute.

Roxas, would CtR's vote for a kill in the Mafia thread still count if he was arrested?

I would think no because the arrest is top of the night priorities.

Long story short, you and I will probably end up voting for each other and it will be up to FAW to choose between the two of us. Unless Kassie has been avoiding the whole game on purpose and sneaked in for the night kill, which I find unlikely, you and I are the only possibilities.

So if CtR voted to kill someone in the Mafia thread, his vote is null? As in, if he was the only one who voted, then nobody should have died since he was arrested?

That's what I'm saying. The other Mafia member had to be active last night, and it's pretty much a certainty it wasn't Kassie. The only way Kassie could have been used as a scapegoat is if the night round had no Mafia kill.

Prepare for Mad Ramblings...

BAHA! Okay then, this kinda heavily supports the idea that Jo is the last Mafia. I've already supplied a ton of reasons why I'm not Mafia, which also includes how I requested the Agent to arrest CtR during the Night so we wouldn't, y'know, lose.

But what still makes me hesitant to immediately go after Jo's throat is that he not only helped lynch Zanic and Trever (who were highly suspicious at that point anyway, mind you) and the matter of Majora vs Zanic in Round 4. With the vote of #85, the Mafia should have EASILY voted off Majora with a combined effort from Trever, Zanic, CtR Black, and Jo if he were Mafia. Then Zanic the Executioner could have killed Majora. The only thing I can figure is that they were overly cautious, and were afraid that chiefsonney, Majora, myself, #85 or Kassie, Aira, and White Thunder would vote Zanic and out them all. These all make strong evidence that Jo's the other Townie.

What makes Jo suspicious:

- Voting against Serpe in Round 3, triggering a bunch of votes which included those of Zanic and Trever. The reason being that Serpe was inactive, which most everyone agreed upon. However, we probably could have requested a host-kill if his inactivity really was such a bother.

- Trever made the comment in Round 4,

To which Jo corrected him that he only voiced suspicion of Serpe, and Trever immediately apologized for that. Could quite possibly have been a slip on Trever's part and Jo was doing a quick mending.

- At first handwaving the notion that Trever's guilty with a "maybe", then going after me in Round 5.

All in all, I'm still leaning towards Kassie being the other Mafia. She managed to make on post in the first round to bring suspicion to #85:

And once in Night Three:


I reeeeaaaally wish she would've been more active so that we all could've had a better idea about her, but c'est la vie. But again, if she's been truly inactive, even if being Mafia and wouldn't have voted for a Kill, then that could only mean that Jo is the last Mafia.

Summary: Shit, I Dunno.

What strikes me as suspicious about you is how you jumped in to accuse Majora and then disappeared when operation Blame-Majora-for-Feral's-Death started to fall apart, the unusual banter between you and Trever just before he died which may have been an attempt to throw the rest of us off, and how you're still clinging to the hope that Kassie may appear suspicious. I'll admit I was suspicious of her for the exact same reasons that you listed, but I just have a hard time believing she would log in just a few minutes into the night round for her Mafia kill after being gone for days. I think if you knew CtR's vote would be null, you would have withheld the Mafia kill to cast more suspicion on her instead of alerting everyone else to the fact that the last Mafia is indeed still active.

I previously thought it was suspicious how you repeatedly talked about when the cop should reveal, but I'll admit anyone could have done that.

I guess I'm not 100% sure either, but I'm more sure about this than I have been about anything else all game. I swear to God if I'm wrong again I don't know if I could ever live it down.

Again I say, I asked Aira to arrest CtR. And even if she wasn't given that suggestion by me (which she herself can vouch for) and I somehow knew she was going to arrest him anyway, if I was curious if his vote would be nulled, I would've asked in the Mafia thread, then staged it to frame Kassie.

I've already explained myself about voicing suspicions of Majora, which chiefsonney and White Thunder both had as well if you look back, and my "interaction" with Trever was more like Trever trying to act like he was buddy-buddy with me, to which I called him out on. If anything, I have absolutely no doubt that was a plan the Mafia concocted to try to frame me further. Otherwise if I was Mafia, Trever's staged act wouldn't have been dumb enough to make us seem so friendly before he was lynched. It probably would've been more like "CUUURRSE YOU FRUSTROOOO! AAAUUUGGHH!!!!"

But I agree. It would be really weird for Kassie to log in long enough to cast a Kill Vote, then run back into the shadows. It'd be clever (and a bit of a cheap move if you ask me), but still not likely. For these past few rounds, the Mafia has been all over my derp move of voicing my suspicions of Majora at the worst possible moment, attempting to get me lynched rather than themselves (as seen by Trever and CtR Black). It appears as if you're carrying on with that ploy at the endgame.

No offense, but I'd say it was pretty much a given that CtR had to go next.



Well that's what made me lean away from all-out pursuing you previously, but now I think you guys were trying to disassociate yourselves from each other as much as possible. Majora even thought this could be the case with you and Trever.

If I were the Mafia, letting Majora live actually would have been the best way to go after you and Kassie given his suspicions of the both of you, instead of killing him just minutes after leading a bandwagon against a townie.



Gawd, can you imagine how friggen embarrassing that would be if it turned out to be true?

But that's the beauty of it. CtR WOULDN'T have gone during the Night Round if I hadn't told Aira to arrest him. She was intent on not making a move until I convinced her to arrest him. And if he hadn't been arrested, then the Mafia would've made its kill and that would have resulted in Two Townies vs Two Mafia, instant lose.

And for a repeat for emphasis, given I've had knowledge on who the Agent is for so long, I would've most DEFINITELY killed her instead of White Thunder, who seemed to have little to no suspicions of me at all as opposed to you and Majora, during Night 5.

On a related note Roxas, if we mislynch this Day Round, will the FBI Agent still have a chance to arrest someone tonight?



And yet Trever tried to do the exact opposite of that before he was lynched, so either you're confusing yourself in paranoia (which I've done plenty of times this and every game), or you're Mafia and I'm calling you out on the contradictions.



^ Lmao exactly all this. I guess when it gets down to it, it's the same dilemma as with #85, except in reverse. Whereas I don't feel any regret voting for #85 because he did nothing to clear his name in his inactivity, Kassie hasn't exactly done anything to convict herself in her inactivity. It's a bum wrap to have to put up with that in a game where people's actions almost exclusively determine their guilt or innocence.

Hindsight really is a bitch. After I saw her vote, I friggen thought about replying and saying she should arrest him and then I thought "nah, no need, she must know he's a prime suspect by now and #85 is probably Mafia". So I guess it's my fault for thinking it was a given.



Because the FBI Agent doesn't count toward the townie roster, I wouldn't think it unreasonable for the Mafia to prioritize the other players first. Since White Thunder and Majora seemed to be the two main players for the town, White Thunder must have been the better choice because taking out Majora would have put his prime suspects in the spotlight.



That was definitely unusual. Again, I can only speculate, but it could have been to make it look like a ploy so that you'd look like a victim of trickery. I mean, him trying to associate himself with you was so obvious it almost looks like it was deliberately obvious.

After reading that last paragraph, I admit it does look like I may be suffering from paranoia.

I'm finding myself in a sticky situation right now, a situation that I would have avoided completely because I simply would not have killed anyone. Kassie would most likely have been lynched after that. Proving that the last Mafia member is one of the remaining active players by using the kill, especially after #85 turned out to be innocent, would not have been in my best interests.

And yet I did.



Eliminating a role who basically has the same role as the Arsonist and who wants to get rid of Mafia as much as any Townie kinda has a higher value than eliminating a Townie who was supporting my innocence.



So, like... he was both trying to get on my good side and then wasn't at the same time? Because you've claimed both within this Round.



I'm thinking that if you are the last Mafia, both you and CtR Black were unaware that he would be arrested. By all means, then you could have gotten in one last kill that Night and THEN used the "kill no one" ploy for the next Night to frame Kassie after CtR was probably lynched. That is, if you weren't able to frame me as Mafia and won the game that way, as was obviously being set up for these past couple of rounds.

Either my own paranoia's getting to me or this is making clearer and clearer sense. {duck}

I know, you sly devil. {cat}



That may be true normally, but our FBI Agent seemed to be MIA with no guarantee of making a return.

On the other hand, if I'm Mafia, that would mean I chose to eliminate a Townie who was not only supporting my innocence, but also suspecting you, rather than the FBI Agent who at this point had already made a return. And that doesn't make sense.



I realize you're trying to make me look silly, but it wasn't at the same time. He distinctly changed tactics once it was apparent he was not going to escape the noose and he knew he'd be outed as Mafia.



I'm not the last Mafia, but honestly I was sure after seeing FAW back in the game that CtR was going to be arrested. I would have asked FAW to arrest him if I thought otherwise, and I will kick myself for the next year over this. I know it's pointless to complain about hindsight at this point but it still sucks. (cry)

I've definitely been my own worst enemy in these games, but I was hoping CtR's arrest would give me a second chance at least in this game. I thought I was being clever and bold by going after #85, but instead I made an ass of myself. And if I end up paying the price for that, I guess I can't blame anyone else.

Keeping in mind that Majora said that I managed to persuade him otherwise before the Round ended, and you've just now made it clear that you think the Townies would have higher importance over the Agent in Mafia eyes. But it is weird how, if you were Mafia, you wouldn't have just killed Kassie then pitted Majora against me. The only motive I can imagine is that you would want to cast further suspicion on me by having him killed, not anticipating CtR's arrest, then if it came down to it use the "no kill to convict Kassie" ploy.

One last bit of oddity I caught while looking over the Rounds for the umpteenth time:


- Said by you during Round 3.

And then you would later go on to voice suspicion of me because I said the exact same thing, saying it looked like I was only trying to out the Cop. Hell, even Majora made the same suggestion in Round 3:



So, yet another contradiction on your behalf.

What interests me is that Majora said there HAD to be an inactive Mafia member, but I haven't found any indication of this yet while going over the game. Before I cast my vote I'm going to try to find proof of this. If there is undeniable proof that there had to be an inactive member, then my vote will most likely go towards Kassie.

Or rather, just killing ANY person during Night 6 and calling it a game, not knowing CtR would be arrested. So it might has well been Majora, since in Mafia eyes, it wouldn't have mattered either way.

Oh, wait, another bit of contradiction (I'm on a crazed rampage right now THERE'S NO STOPPING ME):



Said by you in Round 6. Now you're trying to use our exchange as proof of my alleged guilt. Ok NOW to go through and try to find that undeniable proof of an inactive Mafia member...

Okay, I'm thinking that CtR Black was the inactive Mafia Majora was thinking of, based on two of his posts in Round 5:



(in reference to why Majora wasn't lynched in Round 4, in which CtR wasn't active at all in that Round)

Based on this, all the evidence I've come up with against Jo, and the lack of any evidence against Kassie, I have to vote for Jo. Here's to hoping this isn't going to turn out like Game 10...

It's turning out exactly like Game 10. I'll have single-handedly blown it for my team. In two of my three games. How about that.

Sorry, sorry for the negativity. That's just... a hard pill to swallow. Two out of three, man... (fedup)

You're definitely the better debater. In fact, I'd say out of all debaters I've met, you are definitely the master debater. Make of that what you will.

Regardless, I would like to clarify a couple things.



I wasn't going after you for suggesting the cop reveal. I was going after you because two of your first three posts in the game were about it. You were the one who seemed most interested in it.





I really was confused by Trever's behavior and didn't know what to make of it at first. But since it's just you and me at this point, it's become a lot more clear now what to make of it.

I swear I am going to shoot myself (no not really, don't call the cops) if it's Kassie. There should be a rule against inactive players ninja-ing like that.

I have made my decision. Jo. Sashay away. *crosses fingers*

I guess there's no helping it.....

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

{duck} ?!!

I didn't want to wait a few more hours for my grisly death. I want it NOW. {:P}

But in all seriousness, I'm just incredibly relieved that it's finished.