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game 12 night one look the sky is crying

Posted September 22, 2012 by `Roxas`

Hello, hello, hello! What a pleasure it is hosting all of you this time around. Let's take a look at the cast for what is sure to be a thrilling performance by all!

1. Female Alpha Wolf
2. Jo Nathan
3. white lancer
4. Count Dooku
5. White Thunder
6. Kassie the Eevee
7. Frustro
8. MajorasMask9
9. chiefsonny
10. Feral
11. hezekiah
12. CtR Black
13. Helius
14. Trever Leingod
15. Serpe
16. Zanic
17. 85

Ratio: 4-12-1
Godfather, Mafia Investigator, Executioner, Mafioso
Cop, Vigilante, Arsonist, Governor, Townie (x8)
FBI Agent

Also, some first time rules are being used!

Vote Locking will be on this game. Your initial vote will be the only vote that is counted.
Hammer Voting will also be on this game. As soon as one person has received more than 50% of the votes, that's it, round is over.
No Kill Voting will not be on this game. The only way to prevent a kill is by tying the votes. No exceptions.

Best of luck to all!

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Night Actions, you have twenty-four hours to get your moves turned in (or until all Night Actions have acted).

September 22, 2012
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`Roxas`

And Night Action Priority!

1. Agent Arrest
2. Mafia Investigator selection
3. Cop Check
4. Mafia Kill
5. Vigilante Kill
6. Arsonist Kill

September 22, 2012
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`Roxas`

The sun rises over the quiet town, but storm clouds in the distance indicates dark times ahead. All were present for the town to begin its meeting.

1. Female Alpha Wolf
2. Jo Nathan
3. white lancer
4. Count Dooku
5. White Thunder
6. Kassie the Eevee
7. Frustro
8. MajorasMask9
9. chiefsonny
10. Feral
11. hezekiah
12. CtR Black
13. Helius
14. Trever Leingod
15. Serpe
16. Zanic
17. #85

Ratio: 4-12-1
Godfather, Mafia Investigator, Executioner, Mafioso
Cop, Vigilante, Arsonist, Governor, Townie (x8)
FBI Agent

Seventy-two hours or nine votes for the same option.

  • Remember, Vote Hammering and Vote Locking are on this game. The only way to have a no kill at the end of the round is for two or more players to receive an equal amount of votes.

    • September 23, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    Vote Tallies are still up from last game.

    September 23, 2012
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    chiefsonny
     

    Doesn't matter that vote tallies are still up.

    `Roxas` will have to read through all the votes by hand anyway due to the way he has the rules set up.

    September 23, 2012
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    Yeano

    MAKE IT RAIN

    Based on the role breakdown this game, it appears that an immediate roleclaim is a powerful enough strategy to all but guarantee us a win. Additionally, since the mafia has its investigator, playing slowly and carefully gives them more chances to find our power roles while not giving us more information about their identities. If all four mafiosos decide to hide among the townies, we could very quickly determine who's who.

    Cop: unverifiable
    Vigilante / Arsonist: may target any false claimants
    Governor: if we lynch the wrong one, he may cancel the kill
    Townie: unverifiable
    FBI Agent: may arrest any false claimants.


    Only reason I'm not stating my role immediately is because I'm not sure if people will agree with my strategy.

    September 23, 2012
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    hezekiah

    Vote Tallies are still up from last game.

    Indeed, and since we can't change our votes it looks like we're going to wind up selecting 'No Kill.'

    Anyway, I kinda like the change in the voting rules this game around--the vote locking seems particularly interesting to me, since it makes casting a vote a much more important/drastic act than it was before. We're going to have to think very hard before we cast an official vote, and we'll need to be mindful of both the 1/3 rule of the Executioner and the 1/2 rule of Hammer Voting.

    This game has the potential to be a quick one; with the FBI Agent out there along with two Town-sided killing roles and the Mafia kill, there's a chance we could lose up to four players in one night, so I'd urge extreme caution on the parts of the Vig and the Arsonist. There's also the fact that we're forced to kill someone each turn, but we can get around that easily enough as long as the Governor's around (and even after he/she dies we can still coordinate to tie the votes, though that's trickier). If we decide we want to No Kill, we can just ask the Governor to null the votes.

    I'm a little torn on what to do with the Cop role this time around. On the one hand, we don't have a protector role this time so the instant they reveal they're living on borrowed time, but on the other their days are numbered anyway with the Mafia Investigator out there. The Mafia don't really have any super-powerful roles we want to get rid of right away (the Investigator is only especially powerful insofar as it helps the Mafia to figure out who the Cop is faster), so it might be worth it for the Cop to get a fair amount of info before revealing, but sitting on your info for too long risks having it go to waste when the Mafia takes you out. Also, we should vote for Dooku, since he was the Investigator in his first two games so he's probably it again. :P

    Oh, and Roxas, is our vote locked if the only vote we cast is for Not Voting?

    September 23, 2012
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    white lancer

    I don't agree with an immediate roleclaim, because there are a lot of vanilla Townies for the Mafia to hide among and we want our power roles to stay hidden as long as possible. Plus, in the absence of the Janitor, we're going to know exactly what roles are still around in the endgame, so I don't think there's any reason why a roleclaim would have to be immediate and there's a benefit in waiting (since we may still get the use of our Cop for several turns if we wait to roleclaim as opposed to doing it now).

    September 23, 2012
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    white lancer

    Oh, and Roxas, is our vote locked if the only vote we cast is for Not Voting?

    Yeano has said in the past that "Not Voting" is simply abstaining from a vote. An initial selection of "Not Voting" is the only way a change in vote can occur. In short, once you have selected another player to vote for, that vote is the one to be locked in. EXAMPLE: I originally cast a Not Voting option, but change my vote to Yeano. My vote will be locked in to lynch Yeano.

    We're going to have to think very hard before we cast an official vote, and we'll need to be mindful of both the 1/3 rule of the Executioner and the 1/2 rule of Hammer Voting.

    Thank you for catching that, as I left it out at the start of the round. :|

    Six votes for the same option will allow an executioner act.

    September 23, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    Alright, thanks for clearing that up, Roxas!

    September 23, 2012
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    white lancer

    Yeah I agree with white lancer. I don't see the benefit in an immediate role reveal. It kinda makes the game a bit boring and I don't see how that would help us in the long run.

    September 23, 2012
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    Female Alpha Wolf

    If there is no Journalist then there is no way the FBI role can be held in check if he throws a non-mafia in jail right?

    Also imo with no Doc or Nurse to protect the towns Power Roles, role claiming is not a very good idea for any townies at least not for a few rounds.

    September 23, 2012
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    chiefsonny
     

    With 5 potential deaths in one day, this is gonna be fast and furious. We can't afford to be overly concervative.

    However, both the Vig and Arsonest should ONLY act if they have a strong suspicion or the town agrees on a move. No need to be trigger-happy.

    The idea of the role-claim did cross my mind, but it seems too easy for our power roles to be killed off one by one.

    September 23, 2012
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    Feral

    I'm on the fence about a role reveal but I find it strange that hezy brought it up out of the blue when he has been so anti-reveal in the past.

    September 23, 2012
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    White Thunder

    I agree with WT. I don't see the point in even bringing up a role reveal at the beginning.

    September 23, 2012
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    Zanic

    Ever heard the phrase "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em?" I don't like how effective roleclaims are, I want games to be set up such that it is ineffective. Unfortunately, roles are still being set up in a way that allows it to be used effectively.

    September 23, 2012
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    hezekiah

    Role claim. In my opinion if we're going to do one we should do it now, or very soon. Arsonist and vig (and possibly governor) are the only roles that can prove themselves.

    I dont think a role reveal would be very effective at any point though. there's no doc, and if we miss and hit a townie after the reveal an important role is gonna be gone that night. and then the next

    September 23, 2012
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    CtR Black

    Unless we do away with special roles altogether, roleclaiming will be a viable strategy for the Town--roles like the Janitor and extra Townies can mitigate the advantage but it's never going to go away completely. That being said, I don't think this setup is particularly conducive to the strategy because the most it does is narrow it down by 5, at the cost of all of our special roles (note that the Mafia kill has an earlier priority than the Vig/Arsonist in this game so they wouldn't get as many shots off). There's really no point to an immediate roleclaim at any rate, because with the absence of the Janitor there isn't any urgency. If we roleclaim later in the game we get all the same benefits but we have a chance of having our special roles still alive (since the Mafia has a good chance of hitting regular Townies).

    September 23, 2012
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    white lancer

    That's if the special roles are still there. at the start of the game there's a 4/13 chance of the mafia hitting a special role. this number is reduced because the mafia investigator probably investigated someone last night. meaning it's probably more like 4/12 or (1/3) right now. and it'll decrease by two each turn.

    September 23, 2012
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    CtR Black

    I think a roleclaim is...

    A great way to lose all of our power roles in three rounds, and then our governor for good measure. The mafia's goal will certainly be to eliminate all of our claimable/verifiable roles as soon as possible. Then we're left with a ton of townies + the mafia mixed in and no verifiable 'safe' people, at which point the game can easily go either way.

    If everyone claimed today, you'd almost certainly have 12 townie claims, which frankly doesn't narrow it down much but reveals all our useful roles.

    I'd rather see the cop try to survive until round 3 or 4 and then give us some good info (at which point the cop will die, unfortunately).

    Vig and Arsonist just need to play carefully, random killing will hurt the town more than help it.

    Governor is somewhat important to the town this game. If the executioner threshold is reached for more than one person the governor should stop all day killings to neutralize the executioner.

    Lets put the roleclaim off for a bit like last game. Without a janitor there's no rush to roleclaim.

    That said, obviously you need to speak up if you're an important power role about to be lynched...

    September 24, 2012
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    Count Dooku

    Thank you, Dooku, for rephrasing everything that I've been saying. :P

    And yeah, CtR, there's no guarantee that we'll have our power roles alive near the end of the game, but the Mafia still have a better chance of hitting Townies than they do power roles and odds are good that at least one of them will survive later in the game if we don't roleclaim now. The odds are at least better than they are if we roleclaim instantly.

    We need to decide as a group what we want to do this day round. Personally, I think it's better not to kill someone this round; hopefully we'll be giving Mr. Cop another night to investigate while keeping a large pool of targets for the Mafia to choose from. That strikes me as being better than taking a wild shot in the dark and hoping we hit something. We probably shouldn't wait too long to make our move but we don't want to give the Mafia too many free kills.

    September 24, 2012
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    white lancer

    I agree with every thing said.

    September 24, 2012
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    Helius

    yeah im fine with not killing someone, but that would mean that wed have to tie votes

    September 24, 2012
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    CtR Black

    If we have to tie votes, we have to be wary of the executioner. The new voting rules will make that role very tricky.

    September 24, 2012
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    Zanic

    I guess I should have also said that if nobody votes than a No Kill would also go into effect, since, obviously, nobody received votes. Sorry if this caused any confusion.

    September 24, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    If we are gonna do a town wide no kill, we need to do it by going 36 hours with no votes. If we try to do it by tieing two people, a Mafia member could jump in with a last minute vote to kill an innosent WAY to easily.

    September 24, 2012
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    Feral

    I'm confused about this proposal to tie votes. If we have an odd number of living players (currently we do), the round would keep going for 36 hours anyway unless the odd person broke the tie.

    If we really want to not kill anyone, nine of us just have to pick the "no-kill" option which - Roxas, please correct me if I'm wrong - will not be treated the same as the "not voting" option but will be a locked vote.

    I'm all for using up 36 hours though if it means we get to hear from more people.

    September 24, 2012
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    Jo Nathan

    Thank you, Dooku, for rephrasing everything that I've been saying. :P

    Great minds think alike?

    If we are gonna do a town wide no kill, we need to do it by going 36 hours with no votes. If we try to do it by tieing two people, a Mafia member could jump in with a last minute vote to kill an innosent WAY to easily.

    I'd argue that we should let that happen. We'd know to lynch the last-minute voter who went against the town's wishes.

    September 24, 2012
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    Count Dooku

    i am also for the 36 hours no vote no kill thing

    September 24, 2012
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    CtR Black

    I'd argue that we should let that happen. We'd know to lynch the last-minute voter who went against the town's wishes.

    Exactly, it's like trading a townie for a Mafia member, which with our numbers is fairly favorable.

    September 24, 2012
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    White Thunder

    Yeah, it might make sense to do that. What's the risk? If it ends as a tie because the Mafia doesn't want to risk it, it won't hurt anything.

    September 24, 2012
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    Jo Nathan

    Alrighty, Dooku and Thunder it is. Five votes for both to avoid the Executioner, and everybody else obstains from voting. Agreed?

    September 24, 2012
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    Feral

    Don't ever mention role reveal on Day 1, at all. It has cast suspicion on me multiple times despite my innocence. {:?}

    September 24, 2012
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    Trever Leingod

    So are we waiting the full 36 hours? I'm fine with that. We could get info from people's reactions like with me last game.

    September 24, 2012
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    Zanic

    Alrighty, Dooku and Thunder it is. Five votes for both to avoid the Executioner, and everybody else obstains from voting. Agreed?

    The obvious issue with that being the mafia can read, and therefore won't go for it since we spelled out exactly what we're trying to do.

    September 24, 2012
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    Count Dooku

    The obvious issue with that being the mafia can read


    lol

    If we don't want to wait the full 36 hours, maybe we should just vote no-kill. Or pick the most suspicious person if there is one.

    September 24, 2012
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    Jo Nathan

    Am I the only one who is confused as to where the names Dooku and Thunder were brought up? Was Feral just trying to make an executive decision, or did I miss something?

    And, ah, if that were our plan, how would the Mafia be able to stop it without being obvious? They wouldn't really have any choice in the matter except to 'go for it' unless they wanted to show their hand early. Personally, though, I don't see any reason why we need to put votes on anyone at all. Easier just to have it a 0-vote tie between everybody and not take any chances that the Mafia have some sort of crafty plan we're not seeing.

    September 24, 2012
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    white lancer

    If we really want to have the round end early, we can just vote against one person and ask the Governor to stop the kill. The only drawback to that is that we won't know for sure if the Governor is on board to stop the kill, but I don't know why they wouldn't be. Generally I'm in favor of leaving rounds open as long as possible, though, because it gives the Mafia more chances to screw up.

    September 24, 2012
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    white lancer

    If we don't want to wait the full 36 hours, maybe we should just vote no-kill. Or pick the most suspicious person if there is one.

    I recall Roxas saying that there is no no kill voting option.

    September 24, 2012
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    Zanic

    Oh yeah, I don't know why I missed that part.... ok, now things are making more sense to me.

    September 24, 2012
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    Jo Nathan

    I recall Roxas saying that there is no no kill voting option.

    Exactly, Zanic.

    September 24, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    Personally, though, I don't see any reason why we need to put votes on anyone at all.

    My thoughts exactly. I think Feral might have been joking.

    September 24, 2012
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    White Thunder

    As much as I dislike the No Kill Vote, with no way to protect the towns power players or anyone else fro that matter, I think that's the way we need to go.

    How many hours have passed in his day round?

    September 24, 2012
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    chiefsonny
     

    Don't have much to add because I am just a townie and it's day 1

    September 24, 2012
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    #85

    We're at around the halfway mark for this day round, and we've still got a few players who are MIA. Majora is the most surprising of those since he's usually fairly invested in games even early on.

    September 25, 2012
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    white lancer

    gdsigjsdogjdihosid I'M ALIVE. Was busy with other things and haven't been active online in general. I will read through this thread and post thoughts tomorrow morning I promise!

    September 25, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    Hey Rox it's really annoying that the Dead thread is first because I keep clicking on it accidentally. Can you fix that?

    September 25, 2012
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    White Thunder

    Nineteen hours remain in this round. As it stands, no valid votes have been cast.

    September 25, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    Unfortunately, I can't fix it until the next round starts. Though I guess I could unsticky that specific thread (as I probably should have done).:$

    September 25, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    white lancer voted Not Voting

    #85 voted No Kill

    I'm voting No Kill

    September 25, 2012
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    chiefsonny
     

    My last reply was a humerous jab at Thunder and Dooku. As they wanted to potentially sacrifice someone to draw out a Mafia, I figure they should be the bait.

    Sure the Mafia is in this disussion, but the second one makes a move against the united town, they become suspicious. They have little choice to go along with us at least until the deaths start up the usual disension.

    September 25, 2012
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    Feral

    There is NO no kill option in this game. You must vote for someone or not vote at all.

    September 25, 2012
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    Feral

    Yeano posted early in this thread that`Roxas` will have to check all the votes by hand due to the way he has the rules set up.

    September 25, 2012
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    chiefsonny
     

    Well if no body votes, what the hell happens then. Is he going to pick one of us and do a host kill.

    September 25, 2012
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    chiefsonny
     

    So Vote Locking is on. And #85 and I voted No Kill which does not exist in this game.
    So What happens now?

    Do we both get a "Aw Shit" Point?

    And another little question.

    If everyone votes No Kill. No one gets lynched.
    If everyone votes Not Voting. No one gets lynched.

    HELLO!!!!

    September 25, 2012
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    chiefsonny
     

    Ways for no kill to be performed during the day:

  • A tie in votes for multiple people
  • Nobody votes

    "Not Voting" is the same as withholding your vote.
    Option of "No Kill" will not be counted.

    Vote for somebody or keep your vote out of the pool, those are the options.

    • September 25, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    Don't have much to add because I am just a townie and it's day 1

    well hello mister premature roleclaim.

    September 25, 2012
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    Kassie The Eevee

    Sure, I'll sacrifice myself.

    September 25, 2012
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    White Thunder

    Why do we need to vote? Or sacrifice anyone for that fact? It seems pointless to do the above. Does the action help us? Probably not.

    I say withhold the vote.

    September 25, 2012
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    Helius

    The point Feral was making that with this strategy the Mafia could jump in at 71:59 of the day round and cast a vote, thus getting an extra kill. To which me and Dooku said then we'd know that person was Mafia so it would be worth it to sacrifice a townie for that, hence the idea of "sacrificing" someone to get a Mafia member, though at this point they're probably smart enough not to do that.

    September 25, 2012
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    White Thunder

    Songs will be written about your martyrdom, White Thunder.

    I have to agree with the idea that the power roles should remain plaintive until the Cop gathers some info. But the question is, when should the Cop show their hand? Immediately after they've found out one Mafia? And the presence of the Mafia Investigator leaves me antsy, because they'll be able to kill one person while simultaneously discovering the role of another. It kinda tips it in their favor at the moment when we're forced to keep the Vigilante and Arsonist inactive.

    September 25, 2012
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    Frustro

    That would be sweet :)

    I think the cop should reveal if he gets 1 Mafia. Between their random kill and their investigator they're bound to stumble upon him at some point. We could take our chances and wait to see if he can drop two or even three names at once, but that's a big risk.

    September 25, 2012
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    White Thunder

    The whole idea of going in to vote at the last moment to just get a kill would be suicide for any Mafia - I think they would only do that in the final rounds of the game if they were winning.

    September 25, 2012
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    Trever Leingod

    Fucking refs.

    Thunder, you were NOT supposed to tag Kassie's double post.

    September 25, 2012
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    hezekiah

    Relax, Hezy. It was an obvious accident on Kassie's part, not some important part of the game. I highly doubt Yeano will care.

    I dreampt last night that this game ended for some reason. I actually remember EXACTLY what role everybody had. Imagine if I actually dreampt it right?

    September 25, 2012
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    Feral

    List them, just for fun! It'll be neat to revisit it at the end of the game.

    September 25, 2012
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    Jo Nathan

    If it turns out spot-on, I move that Feral be banned from further games on the grounds of unfair advantage due to witchcraft.

    September 25, 2012
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    Frustro

    That would be make every game so easy for whatever team Feral was on, wouldn't it? {:P}

    September 25, 2012
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    Trever Leingod

    God. I hate writing papers.

    September 25, 2012
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    Female Alpha Wolf

    God. I hate writing papers.


    Me to. Those big crayons hurt my fingers. {:P}

    September 25, 2012
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    chiefsonny
     

    Well, assuming Hezekiah is the Fighter role and Redack & DIE KILL DIE are Mafia, then I am spot on! lol I think the non-existant Fighter role was suppose to be the Vig.

    Dreams are never accurate. For fun, though, active players who were Mafia are Kassie and Jo. Not gonna say the Townie roles, as I am obviously accurate on myself.

    September 25, 2012
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    Feral



    September 25, 2012
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    Trever Leingod

    My bad. Figured since it wasn't really a judgement think I'd help out. I will refrain from that in the future.

    September 25, 2012
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    White Thunder

    Nobody was selected for slaughter on Day One, so everybody started to go home after an uneventful day at work. They stopped at the Notice Board, where the following note was posted:

    It has been a marvelous and horrible duty that has been imposed upon me by the great denizens of this town. I vow to listen to the people and step in when needed… this being said, I’d like to remind you of the great and wonderful things that I have done during my term (it is an election year after all) and I vow to make your living more enjoyable, cut down on crime, and give you more taxes… excuse me. Less taxes is what I meant. I also am willing to give you an affordable health plan and 401k. This is change we can believe in! - Your Benevolent Governor


    1. Female Alpha Wolf
    2. Jo Nathan
    3. white lancer
    4. Count Dooku
    5. White Thunder
    6. Kassie the Eevee
    7. Frustro
    8. MajorasMask9
    9. chiefsonny
    10. Feral
    11. hezekiah
    12. CtR Black
    13. Helius
    14. Trever Leingod
    15. Serpe
    16. Zanic
    17. #85

    Ratio: 4-12-1
    Godfather, Mafia Investigator, Executioner, Mafioso
    Cop, Vigilante, Arsonist, Governor, Townie (x8)
    FBI Agent

    Night Actions, you have 24 hours to get your actions submitted.

    September 25, 2012
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    `Roxas`

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