Mafia

that's the closest I've seen the mafia come to winning. have the mafia won any of the games?

castrael was the key to victory again :p though it was a good call by faw to see black yoshi as innocent

Lol, but didnt win though. I hate playing Mafia. XD

That should be *being

GG but the town is superior.

Indeed, much ownage has been dealt. My condolences, Mafia and Aliens, but it appears that you guys were no match for our strategy of not sucking balls.

Mafia has won a few games. I know that the game LLight was Cop, Mafia won.

Also, I'd like to know when you two had figured out FAW, because if it was during the time I was alive, I regret not taking both of your butts out of commission myself. {>:(}

The mafia have won in the following games (mafia members listed after the game, bold names are the ones who were alive at the end)

Game 2 (4:11)
(white lancer, #85, Black Yoshi, Helius)

Game 4 (5:12:1)
(Shadowwalked, Helius, chiefsonny, MajorasMask9, #85)

Star Wars Game I (5:14) -> (9:10)
(Redack, Count Dooku, Helius, White Thunder, white lancer, #85, `Roxas`, DragonintheShadow)
*Note: Not really sure of an accurate way to record this one, since it included a lot of town -> mafia conversion, so I'll leave it like this.

Game 10 (5:14)
(CtR Black, Count Dooku, Yeano, `Roxas`, Black Yoshi)

Game 14 (4:8)
(Black Yoshi, MajorasMask9, hezekiah, Count Dooku)

Honestly did not expect to make it through that one alive. Especially since I was a mere Townie. Usually Townies are among the first to go.

Loved the use of the Overlord, even though it wasn't anyone's role in the game. Mayhap if we use the Aliens in the future we can use the Overlord again as sort of an Alien Godfather, only killing the Overlord would cause all of the Aliens to commit suicide as they morn their dear leader's death?

I suck at coloring numbers

Also can Dooku or Lancer take down the roles/make it so we can view all of the threads?

Did the town commit mass suicide in game 14 or something? Jesus.

I lol'd @ me being the failed assassination TBH. Sorry, Roxas!

The town really surprised me this game. With the very early loss of some key power roles, I'd basically written off a town victory during the midgame. You made a strong comeback.

I never doubted the town, I was always fairly certain we were going to lose. When the going gets rough, the town gets tough.

Also, I'd like to know when you two had figured out FAW, because if it was during the time I was alive, I regret not taking both of your butts out of commission myself.

After you died, obviously! You really think we wanted you to die?! Things might have been very different if you lasted longer.

Clearly a mafia team of Black Yoshi, Count Dooku, and Helius would be unstoppable.

Ownage!

I really wanted to kill Speed and Hindy, but they weren't pointing fingers at me and White Thunder the last few rounds - they only voted for us because they played follow-the-leader.

I had to kill FAW because I knew by then she was the double voter and she was probably gonna lead the lynch against me - I then hoped to lynch Vandy or Black Yoshi on Day 8, kill Vandy in the night if he survived the day or off hezekiah, and work with Speed and Hindy to off Yoshi the next day. Or in the case of some no kill scenario, I would have killed off Hindy to hopefully appeal to Speed's rage against Yoshi or something {:P}

As it was though, too much suspicion was on me already and I doubted hezekiah, Speed and Hindy would have voted each off because they all had a hand in killing Castrael.

Truth is though, we really needed Roxas to last a bit longer. If we had been able to kill off two people at night at some point, it really would have helped our chances - but as the numbers slimmed one by one, the suspicions on us were going up and we just couldn't shake the town. Kudos to them for that. {:D}

Truth is though, we really needed Roxas to last a bit longer.

I chuckle each time I think of the statistical probability of Roxas' assassination attempt failing. Upon reading these threads, my life apparently flashed before my eyes a few dozen times without realizing it.

That probability would have dropped immensely in the final rounds of the game, there was only the DV (and it was obviously FAW by the time she started to be active) and you, the Outsider.

Woohoo!
I was hoping for some survival points though :(

By the way, what would have happened had Helius been probed?

yfw Hindy was seriously trying to win

Finished reading over all the previously-locked threads. Good lord, chief, I'm sorry you were so offended.

I feel like something needs to be addressed.

This was obviously my first game but it did not exactly take very long to see that people are most suspicious of abnormal behavior relative to the person, whether it be silence, excessive talking, accusing others, etc. Not that I necessarily agree with this since it is very easy for someone to act accordingly so as to cast off any suspicion but that is the case.

It also did not take very long to see that players are in a much safer position to survive when they are on the offensive rather than the defensive, and I use the term "offensive" loosely since people have varying play styles. In this case, I chose to be as unorthodox as possible because most people clearly had no idea how to react (and in a lot of cases, they were also either uncomfortable or pissed off).

And another thing, it's not that hard to see that the best way to survive is to keep both sides as happy as possible so that it is in the best interest of both parties to preserve you. Apart from murdering Frustro in cold blood (I was really hoping he was mafia), I never acted too far out of bounds. Participating excitedly in the murder of everyone and generally acting like a distraction will make the mafia want to keep you alive (someone said the same thing in the mafia thread almost word for word so I am not the only one in thinking this). The town is a little different but I didn't have to put too much thought into that one since MM was convinced of my innocence and everyone seems to value his opinion over most others, so that was effectively a safe pass for quite a while. Thanks, MM!

And as far as the other things go, such as willingly putting my vote in for the Sensor results even though I would show up as guilty (I was sad that the Sensor died immediately after it happened) and wanting to claim UFO Hunter (which I sincerely wanted to do)... Well, those were just instances of me wanting to throw a wrench into things to see how people would react. The human mind is a fascinating thing, you see. But I always had faith that I would be saved by my innocence. (look)

All in all, fun game all around, lol @ many of the things that were said in the locked threads, and I'm sorry for making you shy, Cas. Looking forward to the next one!!!!!!!!!!!!

you voted for me several times you jerk

From my understanding... everything I would have said would have been: MOOOOOOO! I would have been turned into a cow.

I lol'd @ me being the failed assassination TBH. Sorry, Roxas!

Eh? I think you might've missed something, buddy.



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Things might have been very different if you lasted longer.

Yeah, Thunder's and your asses would have been dead by my hand, because I played both of you over PM/IM. {:P}

Participating excitedly in the murder of everyone and generally acting like a distraction will make the mafia want to keep you alive (someone said the same thing in the mafia thread almost word for word so I am not the only one in thinking this).

As much as I would have loved to kill you and Hindy off, I think that was me.

Oh my bad, I missed that you rescinded the initial attempt on my life.

Goodness, such hostility.

Roxas, can you fully explain what assassinating either of us would have accomplished? I really don't understand.

Omg, White Thunder is a she??

White Thunder is most definitely NOT a she {:P}

Town probably wouldn't have looked at me. I mean, why waste our most powerful role on your own team members? {:P}

I was hesitant to believe that because I'm pretty sure that topic came up at least once before. Why does that keep happening?? {:P}



Pretty much. (duck)

Speaking as the sole day 1 observer, I thought both Speed and Hiney played well for first timers. Speed especially handled the tricky "Outsider" role surprisingly well. I know neither intended to be rude or offensive in their attitudes. That's just their natural personality.

...and THAT'S coming from a guy who doesn't even like one of them! {;)}

It's okay Speed. Thanks though. :3 ill do better next game. I think Feral should play. :o

Truth is though, we really needed Roxas to last a bit longer.

Indeed. I was really surprised that you took such a risk with Roxas--definitely not what I would have done. I would have ruled MM9 out completely as a possibility (which I had mostly done by that point anyway) if he hadn't died that night round as well.

And yeah, when Dooku posted in my thread that he thought the Town was doomed on Night 1(?), I looked at the ratio and said something along the lines of, 'writing us off a little soon, aren't we?' It's a lot easier to catch suspicious individuals than it is to act unsuspicious, which is why a general rule of thumb I use when trying to balance games is to err on the side of the Mafia. There have been several games obviously balanced in favor of the Town, but only a couple obviously balanced in favor of the Mafia (the two Star Wars games were for sure because of the conversion mechanic; Game 14 was leaning towards the Mafia as well because of a favorable ratio, but it could have gone either way). This one I thought was balanced rather well, and it pretty much came down to the wire.

Game 4 was an issue... the game broke and we had the power roles figured because of the breakage.

Town probably wouldn't have looked at me. I mean, why waste our most powerful role on your own team members?

Dude, that'd be really dumb though, too much of a risk {:P} There's no point cutting off two of your own members because you'd be making things easier on the town. We all know by now you're among the most willing to push other players under the bus.

Also, one of the worst things I did this game was voting No Kill on Day 6, which in turn saved Vandy who led the lynch against me {:P} My act of mercy did NOT pay off!

WHEN DOES THE NEXT ONE START

...and when will player scores be posted for this one?

Yeah, I'm eager to see player points as well. If I get at least +3 points, I can host the next game if no one ahead of me wants to.

If you get +1 for each alien and (at least) +1 for playing good enough to evade detection for almost the whole game, you'll be all set.

FAW should get double good playing points for absolutely ruining the Mafia's shit (no offense guys). She just came out of nowhere with that. (y)

Yay points!

points

I'll host next if I get +20.

You're gonna make me blush, Dooku... (:$)

I'd like to thank the academy...

Meh. Not sure I deserve a good playing point but whatever.

Oh, I thought we got +1 for killing each alien. If I had known that, we might have left Jo Nathan alone for a bit longer, upping the chances of Mafia victory {:P} Ah well, no point looking back.

I think Speed and Hindy could be very dangerous players. They did quite well for their first game, and their wacky playing style could very well confuse a lot of people. I would not recommend underestimating these two.

Also, MM9 should have +4 points, two more since he was a townie as well.

Player Scores

Yeano: n/a (Executive Host - cannot get a score)

Unless the rules have been changed white lancer as Executive Host is not allowed to earn point when he plays.

Seems that when I play Mafia though, we kill people based on their playing skill xD Which is probably the best option.

Ha, I noticed that, Trever! Although I think I was dead by the time I pointed that out. :P

I'm hesitant because people are suspicious of lancer. He's a potential lynch and so we might be better served by killing someone that the town is not thinking about lynching.

This is what I was hoping you guys would think, cause it would keep me alive. {:(} Also part of why I sometimes target MM9 during the day round--if I'm even a little suspicious, I find it a win-win to accuse him because even if he's innocent, it sometimes convinces the Mafia to keep him around. ;)

I feel the same thing, I doubt either one would be so strongly posting different strategies for the Sensor if they were the Sensor.

Also what I was going for. So I managed to do exactly what I wanted to do and still get killed anyway. XD

Also since I've been inactive every other game, my strategy this game is to be as inactive as possible in the main threads. I'll probably apologize for being busy IRL and whatnot. I'm actually watching the threads pretty closely though.

At least I'm not the only one whose strategy backfired. {:P} I really do hate lynching inactive people just because they're inactive, except in a game with a Sensor.

With lancer going after Majora the way he did, I'm wondering if he's Mafia...

Bahaha, I guess the Mafia thought I was an Alien and the Aliens thought I was Mafia. No wonder there was so much suspicion of me flying around!

Unless the rules have been changed white lancer as Executive Host is not allowed to earn point when he plays.

I don't really care either way. I don't think it really matters anymore since the Executive Host doesn't host most of the games, but I wouldn't mind if people wanted to purge my points or whatever.

I have no problem with him keeping his points. But on the other hand, he is now the Executive Host, and should have gone over all the rules that were set up by Yeano and change what he felt needed changing.

Ha, I noticed that, Trever! Although I think I was dead by the time I pointed that out. :P

How would you know, I only played Mafia once before this! {:P}

This is what I was hoping you guys would think, cause it would keep me alive. Also part of why I sometimes target MM9 during the day round--if I'm even a little suspicious, I find it a win-win to accuse him because even if he's innocent, it sometimes convinces the Mafia to keep him around. ;)

Haha sorry white lancer, you were too much of a pain to leave alive {;)}

Unless the rules have been changed white lancer as Executive Host is not allowed to earn point when he plays.

I think that was Yeano's personal principle because he was the executive host from the start. Clearly he didn't need points because their only purpose is to allow you to host (besides perhaps bragging rights), and he was already the default host for the first 7 games or so.

fun fact: I've been on the winning side every game except the one where the fool got killed

so when does game 17 start?

How would you know, I only played Mafia once before this!

Yes, but I feel like I remembered you being especially relentless with taking out the 'power players' last time. Could be wrong, though. {:P}

I think y'all probably would have won this game had you not taken the risk with Roxas when you did. Having the possibility of two kills down the stretch would have been really helpful for you. As it is, you came really close until FAW showed up and started dominating.

I'll have the sign-ups for the next game up...tonight, maybe. Also, I want to be on Vandy's team more often. ;)

I really don't like the method of killing off good players early on. you're punishing people for being good at the game

someone mentioned some kind of masking system earlier. I think we should do that. just like, random town names. like Jim Morton

yes, only the host should be able to see IPs