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game 18 dead thread

Posted June 2, 2013 by White Thunder

You are dead! Hooray! Spend your eternities whining about it here with all the other dead folk!

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Welcome FAW and Llight! Interesting couple of people to see here.

June 4, 2013
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White Thunder

Oh and by the way Llight you were targeted by the Vigilante who didn't even think you were guilty, just disagreed with your strategy. Just in case you were wondering.

June 4, 2013
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White Thunder

Speed Bike Pro, Apollo Justice, MajorasMask9 are the kill. Further analysis needed for Castrael and white lancer who appeared during the night round. Possibly chiefsonny, Kyon, Yeano Bubba, and The Bandit too? Strategy requires more analysis and can be played from the dead.

Roxas, Vigilante? He let it slip that it was a Vig kill before I saw this, then denies being it and mafia.

Anyway I understand, it was quite a disturbing strategy that a lot of people seemed to dislike and I hoped and planned to die as early as possible because I wouldn't have the time to keep tabs on the game in the way that I was doing it.

June 4, 2013
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LLight

I won't spoil it for you if you don't want.

June 5, 2013
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White Thunder

Will let FAW decide.

June 5, 2013
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LLight

(cry) I'm not sure if I should be offended or honored to be killed so early.

And no. Let's not spoil the surprise yet...

June 5, 2013
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Female Alpha Wolf

Time stamps tell stories...

To be honest, I think I hit almost every role that had a night action in Night 0, so that at least narrows down the suspects in the short term. The down side is that they are equal in numbers to the number of mafia, so the mafia know who each other are, but the townie power roles do not. That would endanger some of them more than I realized at the time I posted my observations.

My Speed Bike Pro analysis just seems a little off after reading his character for a bit OOG, mostly stemming from the rush of killing him over and over during Epic Mafia just to see his reaction. I know when I'm drunk off of bloodlust and this was one of those times. It felt a little like my push to kill Redack and he does refresh pages like that when encountered with GT related problems (Complaints, etc). These two push for kills were for the purpose of "just for the fun of it". Redack seemed a bit down lately, must be busy irl.

We were going over the prospect of weid man being mafia and, to be freakin' honest, I have no fucking clue on how to read an aspergers syndrome fellow such as him. He's the equivalent of a Knuckles loose cannon, but with some semblance of a conscience. Speaking of which I thought Roxas was just infected by Knuckles' personality in that one game (close to a year ago), but it turns out his judgement just seems to be off. Was playing Epic Mafia with him the other night and he was 1/4 on guessing the mafia players right based on little to no information whatsoever. Anyway, back to weid, should be easy to fish as he's seems to be easily manipulated.

So for #85, Roxas' reasoning is horrendously inconsistent and I can't get a good read on either of their characters at the moment.

Out of all of them, I'd say Majoras Mask and Yeano are as much regular to GT Mafia games as white lancer. I see a lot of familiar names still around. Jora seems a bit more suspicious than normal until I saw him fuck up in Epic Mafia when he was the only Mason and forgot to recruit a player in Round 1, ultimately annihilating the town the next round by getting lynched. Couldn't help but think that Jora introduced this game to me just to get a feel of my play style and to remove my GT environment as an inherited advantage. I used the opportunity to get a read on some players, but not all are clear... He also seemed off because I seem to remember more lengthy replies and more sound reasoning, such as those brought by white lancer. I've played enough games with white lancer to know when he's not mafia though.

Castrael seems a bit off as well and I know this as a feeling of someone trying to manipulate by playing with feelings. Felt the same way when I let Apollo take advantage of a rush in Epic Mafia (I told you, I wouldn't forget that feeling!), so must be mafia. That 'Pollo, she's really good in the final moments of the game where everything slows down. She honestly had the same reaction as last the last time she heard I thought she was mafia OOG. So, by thought association and night action clicks (Castrael appeared during night rounds), I'm thinking both of these babes are mafia.

chiefsonny didn't react like a scared old man (no offense, old man!) when he thought I was using moderator tools when I wasn't, so this edges him off my radar by a large amount. I can totally read him.

Shadowwalked has curiously stuck around the Skype group chat, if not for logging purposes, then observation? This plus Night 0 observations places him on my suspicion radar. It makes more sense for Kyon to stick around and I know Bubba to have a bit more umph over the years with DeWayne Mann battles, plus he appeared a lot over a span of a few hours during Night 1 which puts him on the radar ad infinitum, suspiciously so. Kyon also just happens to match up at just the right moments OOG in both Xat and Skype chat sessions, so this is why I think he is mafia. That and he also went for the emotional strike with that LLight-kun line, all too quickly. It mirrors his mafia-ness in Epic Mafia. I will have to disregard igga because that's really how igga does the digga and separates him from the emotional manipulates who are more likely to be mafia. XD

From my initial line up, I'll go for this rag tag team of Chocobos as mafia: Kyon, Apollo Justice, Majoras Mask 9, Shadowwalked, Castrael, Bubba, and Speed Bike Pro.

June 5, 2013
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LLight

And yes, for the record and if we ever get to the end of the game and you read The Apprentice thread, I totally planned on dying early.

June 6, 2013
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LLight

I noticed. I will tell you that your list has at least one name right. So maybe the town could have used you.

I'm really interested to see how weid plays this game. I'm thinking he might just implode like Knuckles was prone to, but perhaps he'll surprise us. Guess we'll see.

Dunno what the heck is wrong with Roxas. Hopefully everything's alright. I will also say he's not Mafia so I have no idea what's going on in his head.

I'm not sure if I should be offended or honored to be killed so early

You should be honored. The Mafia was worried about your late game tactics. And to kill you over many of the traditional power players? That's quite a feat. Although it does suck not to be playing in this game.

June 6, 2013
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White Thunder

Which list? I think my last one should be mostly accurate. I revised it quite a bit after having the time to collect my thoughts after observing the last night round and the initial responses in the first day round. I left scratch notes about this earlier and then was like "oh, that makes more sense based on their activity patterns and OOG personas".

June 6, 2013
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LLight

ALSO for the other record, I just like seeing Redack die. One time, Dooku, Redack, Necron and I were all playing GW2 in this massive field of spiders and then I saw Redack die (we all died a lot) and then, I stood over his corpse, without reviving him and went:
Redack...
Hahahahahahahahaha

And didn't revive him for like a minute.

June 6, 2013
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LLight

If weid wasn't so active OOG while everyone talked about it right in front of him and I didn't know he suffered from various physical and... personality quirks, then I'd assume he was playing the silent mafia playstyle. To be honest, guilt of this knowledge of his condition is preventing me from making an sure-kill decision.

C'mon, Thunder baby, you gotta give me more to lurch on. No one in the dead thread seems to be interested in the game once they die. It's like a mental death too.

June 8, 2013
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LLight

Well, yeah. Sorry, I was gone all day today. Feral is joining but he actually wasn't lying, he's having real IRL problems (as you probably know) so he won't be here either.

Apollo told me (okay, she's Mafia, sorry for the spoilers but whatever) that you're talking about the game quite in-depth with a bunch of players in OOG communication. I'll have to ask you to stop that or else I'll dock points- maybe you don't care about that but I wouldn't be surprised to see lancer dole out harsher punishments. Just a heads up.

I don't have a whole lot of insights right now because I am dead tired and I've been gone all day so I've barely skimmed the thread. The thing about weid is that in the event that he's Mafia he's almost certain to give it away so it would definitely be best for him to stay quiet.

I barely typed that. I am falling off my couch, literally. Goodnight.

June 8, 2013
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White Thunder

I draw the line at the tells and hints of my thought process that identify players as which role, White Thunder. Ergo, game sensitive. Don't mistake it. Realized it after Speed Bike Pro complained the first time, then again they shouldn't have brought it up there either if they didn't want to talk about it. Points are quite frivolous as you've ascertained because fun for me is held elsewhere, so no skin off my back if you feel this is appropriate for cadaver in an unmoderated zone. I'd go as far to equate this to talking about mafia game mechanics on another site, then getting the shoehorn here because you said Assassin could target the same target as the Mafia Kill vote. I was going to say something rude in this sentence expressing my annoyance with this, but erased it. YOU COULD HAVE JUST ASKED.

Back to lesser topic, didn't see Feral as mafia because of the inactivity, by the way. Some players are a little harder to read this way because it reduces the visibility of their character portrayal. Some are singled out from the rest in this category, but hadn't thought of it much to be honest. They're mostly uninteresting anyway while this goes beyond winning or losing as they are trying to win, lazily.

Also didn't like that spoiler, even though I thought I could tell that she was mafia... That actually kind of hurt, not from you, but her... ... ...

June 8, 2013
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LLight

Sorry man, didn't mean to indirectly chastise you. You're just doin' your job.

June 8, 2013
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LLight

Well that escalated quickly...

June 8, 2013
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Female Alpha Wolf

Haha, sorry to be so harsh. That only happened 'cause I was dead and literally had no idea what I was saying. All I knew was that Apollo was pissed about it so I figured I'd convey that here.

I think Feral fake silencing himself was probably the giveaway, not his lack of activity. They were right, it's unlikely that the Mafia would silence someone like him on the first day.

June 8, 2013
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White Thunder

Yeah, a lot of people aren't very happy about the way I've been playing this game so I don't think I'll be playing this again and probably shouldn't have played this one since I thought it might be just another puzzle. Last few months have been a bit rough irl, so... yeah maybe I'll talk to someone...

I think Feral fake silencing himself was probably the giveaway, not his lack of activity. They were right, it's unlikely that the Mafia would silence someone like him on the first day.

When I correlate OOG activity, that includes activity in other forums, especially for people who I don't contact regularly. Feral is normally active in both scenarios even though I knew he had a valid excuse for not posting, which is why it kind of sleuthed under the radar.

June 8, 2013
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LLight

If course holds you guys are about to get joined by a couple power roles...

June 8, 2013
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White Thunder

Welcome, lancer and Speed, and I must say it is pretty unfortunate for the town that both of you are here right now.

June 9, 2013
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White Thunder

Well, at least I killed the silencer.

June 9, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Who will replace Speed on my list now. Too tired to sleep and I'm dipping into more sleep depraved states at the moment.

June 9, 2013
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LLight

Actually it makes more sense with weid now if Apollo is mafia. She definitely told him not to say anything and he would probably listen. It's either that or he's not really interested in the game given the low volume of posts elsewhere and lack of activity triggers. He gives me the impression of a one track mind when he's in some states. Could you maybe, offer some insight into the weid man personality since you probably know him better?

Current list of suspected mafia: Kyon, Apollo Justice (host confirmed), Majoras Mask 9, Shadowwalked, Castrael, Bubba, weid man, Feral (dead).

That makes 8. Kyon should be back from his LAN party so that was an awfully convenient excuse to avoid a night round.

June 9, 2013
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LLight

Weid will be used as nothing but a puppet. You saw how he was in epic mafia.

I expect none of his decisions or the things he says to be of his own volition.

June 9, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Well, assuming he's mafia. If he's not then it doesn't really matter. God forbid he's a town power role. Then again, we've already lost three so who cares.

June 9, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

I understand that, but I just find it doubtful that [Speed] would reveal his role to anyone after last game.

-Roxas, Day thread


Lol. I must have a sick fetish for always proving everyone wrong or something.

Sorry for spamming.

June 9, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Three in a row isn't spamming, lol. But Apollo was practically giddy that you slipped up. I think you're a great player but ya gotta be more careful about that {:P}

June 9, 2013
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White Thunder

If I was you, after my initial reveal, you should have protected yourself every night. This cop reveal thing going on is nothing but fishing for assassin kills.

June 9, 2013
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LLight

If I was you, after my initial reveal, you should have protected yourself every night.

Everything about that last day round was extremely fishy but I told myself that I would be an unselfish doctor. I had an undeniable feeling that I was gonna die (it ended up being for all the wrong reasons but it still came true) but I didn't wanna be known as the doctor who let the cop die. Ended up biting me in the ass but each mistake is a lesson learned.

June 9, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

So my kill on LLight did go through (meaning the Mafia didn't target him), and Speed was the Assassin kill? Alright then.

LLight, my targeting of you had nothing to do with any personal feelings toward you--I just wasn't a fan of that particular strategy of yours because I felt it damaged the spirit of the game. I made a poor game move in the interest of making the game more fun for other players. Just seemed to me like you were turning the advantage the Mafia are supposed to have (the ability to communicate/coordinate in their own thread at all times) and turning it into a disadvantage, which was an interesting strategy but not really how Mafia is supposed to go. I'm considering making a rule outlawing those type of tactics just because of that.

My last post in the Vig thread was something about how theoretically, suspicion being cast on me should make me less likely to be Nightkilled, but that it rarely worked out that way in practice. Talk about irony.

June 9, 2013
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white lancer

Apollo told me (okay, she's Mafia, sorry for the spoilers but whatever) that you're talking about the game quite in-depth with a bunch of players in OOG communication. I'll have to ask you to stop that or else I'll dock points- maybe you don't care about that but I wouldn't be surprised to see lancer dole out harsher punishments. Just a heads up.

I'm not going to say anything either way until I hear Apollo's side of the story first-hand so I know what sort of stuff was said and whatnot. I would, however, greatly prefer it if people who are not currently alive in the game refrained from talking even generic Mafia strategy with people who are in the game. Best to have a strict line not to cross than one that's nebulous and blurred IMO.

June 9, 2013
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white lancer

I'm gonna agree with white lancer here, LLight. I see what you're going for but your page activity strategy can potentially throw town power roles under the bus. I died because Apollo knew my role but there is no doubt in my mind that the mafia saw your post and immediately picked me out as a power role. Sure, it has some benefits because you did successfully identify Apollo and who knows else, but you also screw over your own power roles.

It is an unfair and unnecessary aspect of the game that we could do without.

June 9, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Well, it appears I managed to make myself look quite suspicious to a good portion of the game. I had a feeling I was doing so, which was fine by me, but it was actually a bit of a relief that I was dead because I expected to have to defend myself this day round. Not sure I would have killed me if I were the Mafia, but whatever.

I was curious if they had an idea that I might be the Vig. There are a couple of ways I could see them figuring that out, though most of them are along the lines of coming to the right conclusion for the wrong reasons (which happens a lot in Mafia).

The LLight kill might have rang some alarm bells, even though I wasn't planning on targeting anyone the first night originally. I wasn't going to try to use that as cover again and I even predicted in my thread that it might get people thinking I was the Vig again.

My comments about the Vig not killing LLight might have struck the Mafia as a clumsy attempt to deflect attention off of myself as the Vig, but those were sincere comments and not an attempt at misdirection. I really did think it was strange that a number of people just assumed it was the Vig that did the killing.

The Mafia could have thought I was a power role who was trying to play an UTR game, but again, that wasn't intentional and I would have played pretty much the same game as a Townie. New job + moving + my random tennis obsession (the French Open was on these past two weeks) = not much time to devote to Mafia. I would have had more time this next week since I'm done moving and tennis is over for now, but they couldn't have known that.

The one attempt at misdirection I did engage in was choosing not to fight people's suspicions very hard. I figured that appearing suspicious (and becoming a potential Town-sided lynch) was my best chance at staying alive as a power role before the Mafia took me out, and I think the only suspicion I actually addressed was Yeano's (and then, only because I found him suspicious). Obviously didn't work, and if the Mafia saw through that, bravo.

If the Mafia didn't suspect that I was a power role (regardless of their reasons), then I think it was a poor move for them to target me during the night because it might have been me getting lynched today instead of Apollo. It'll work out for them in one way since they happened to hit the Vig, but (barring my few suspicions being dead-on) I wasn't playing a fantastic game and they wasted a potential deflection target.

June 9, 2013
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white lancer

So my kill on LLight did go through (meaning the Mafia didn't target him), and Speed was the Assassin kill? Alright then.

Yes, they killed FAW with no assassin kill the first night, second night you were the team kill and Speed was the assassin kill.

Best to have a strict line not to cross than one that's nebulous and blurred IMO.

With you on that one.

I was curious if they had an idea that I might be the Vig.

They thought it was a possibility but they were more just going after you for being a strong player.

Also <3 tennis and I also watch every major religiously (duck)

June 9, 2013
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White Thunder

That being said, if Speed did reveal his role to Apollo, he needs to be banned from a future game. Why would you cheat like that?

-Bubba, Day thread


How is that "cheating"? If anything, I should be banned for being an embarrassing dumbass but not for cheating.

On that note, I will totally understand if everyone wants to ban me from future games since all I've done the past two games is severely hurt the town while being town-sided.

June 9, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

They thought it was a possibility but they were more just going after you for being a strong player.

I suppose that's comforting, since I didn't feel like I was playing that great of a game this time around. Maybe I was causing them more grief than I thought. {:P}

Also <3 tennis and I also watch every major religiously

{y}

Also, either Yeano is not the Cop or the Mafia played that last night round incredibly poorly (despite fantastic results).

1. If they knew Speed was the Doctor and Yeano was the Cop, why didn't they just use the Hooker on Speed, Assassin kill him, and use the team kill on Yeano? Bam, both Cop and Doctor gone in one night.

2. Even if they didn't know Speed was the Doctor, how the heck would Yeano get a verdict off? Why wouldn't they use the Hooker to keep him from doing anything during the night round?

...I'm starting to think my suspicions weren't as off as I thought...

June 9, 2013
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white lancer

You will not be banned from the game, Speed. There's no rule either against bad playing or OOG communication, so you haven't broken any rules that I know of. {:P} And hey, at least you helped lead the charge against the Silencer this game.

June 9, 2013
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white lancer

I'd also like to point out that lancer died on Day 3, which is sort of a trope for him. This leads me to believe the mafia has at least one member familiar with this trope.

The ever-accursed Day 3. >:-{

June 9, 2013
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white lancer

I just want to point out that the oath of secrecy I mentioned in the small piece of Skype text posted by Yeano was legitimate at the time... but I broke it afterwards. {:(}

June 9, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

After last game, there is no way Speed would trust anyone else with his role.

-Black Yoshi, Day thread


I have a feeling that a lot of people are going to be upset with me.

June 9, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Not gonna fight it, whatever you guys decide to do within the confines of this forum. I won't be playing as an active player for a while again, if not at all. Every time I enter a game, I get some rules or features changed because whatever I come up with, seems to dance a fine line and if it doesn't when games move at a slower pace, then it would be super boring.
Just seemed to me like you were turning the advantage the Mafia are supposed to have (the ability to communicate/coordinate in their own thread at all times) and turning it into a disadvantage, which was an interesting strategy but not really how Mafia is supposed to go. I'm considering making a rule outlawing those type of tactics just because of that.

I'm interested to know how you will word it, since my main goal was to die early so I wouldn't have to focus on collecting all the likely variables, especially with this many people on this schedule of mine. I'm actually grateful that you killed me, otherwise I might have lost my mind. My judgement has been waning in the past few months, so I don't think I'm in tip top shape to go toe to toe with this many opponents.

People tab is OOG and is hard coded on the site (global level) so you can't really touch it unless Xhin removes it completely. And to be honest, this isn't the type of strategy that's supposed to have been made public in the main thread. Guess I was showing off because people tend to die quicker in mafia when they're in the spotlight unless you really know some nice words.

I just want to point out that the oath of secrecy I mentioned in the small piece of Skype text posted by Yeano was legitimate at the time... but I broke it afterwards. {:(}

I honestly didn't know you made one, but if you included everyone in that agreement, then maybe I would have shut up about the game.

June 9, 2013
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LLight

Obviously, there's no way to monitor anyone using the People tab, but the rule I would add would prevent anyone from posting it in any of the threads. It would also ask people not to use it at all, but that would have to be on the honor system.

And huh, I didn't expect Zanic to be the one to point out that Yeano should have gotten a little visit from the Hooker last night. Good on him, then. And no, I didn't say anything to him. {:P}

June 9, 2013
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white lancer

A rule like that is just a pink elephant in the room. You might consider making it ambiguous and also stick with move instead of tag because some players are also moderators.

With the Vigilante dead, the town seems to be really screwed. That's probably my most favorite role next to Sniper from Epic Mafia.

June 9, 2013
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LLight

That's probably my most favorite role next to Sniper from Epic Mafia.

Yeah, I bet you do like that role, don't you? (shifty)

June 9, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

I don't know why the threads from last game are locked now. Weren't they unlocked earlier? Doesn't make sense. I can't tinker with it until the game's over, though, because anything that will unlock those posts will also unlock the current game's posts.

June 9, 2013
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white lancer

They're only locked because they're treated the same as the current role threads and won't be unlocked until the game is over. They must use the same variables to restrict access to them based on current role, so unless you're that role, you won't be able to view them.

I once considered trying to trick someone into viewing an old mafia thread to oust their role.

June 9, 2013
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LLight

Yes, but the threads from previous games never got re-locked. I know for a fact that they were unlocked before because Apollo mentioned reading through my Vigilante thread.

My guess is that the roles from the previous game weren't cleared out of the Mafia panel (I or the Host will usually reset the roles as Host only after a game ends), so those threads still registered as the same roles. I noted that the Sensor thread is still not locked.

And now Dooku makes use of your list, LLight. We'll see how that strategy winds up working out. {:P}

June 9, 2013
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white lancer

I propose we lynch either Kyon, Shaddowalked, or Apollo Justice. If lynching one of them doesn't pan out, then we'll abandon LLight's strategy.

omfg I fucking love you Dooku. I also found additionally plausible targets as the night rounds went on. But yeah, Speed is legitimately refresh happy OOG. I forgot to recall a previous memory when he was once unfairly (imo) banned. If they actually do go through with it, they're going to lynch another 2 and I'll be responsible for at least 3/8 of their deaths, and who knows? Maybe more, if it turns out that they're really mafia.

@Apollo, when you get here... r-remember, I... I did not want to end u, even though I knew I had to (cry), because you see... <3.

June 10, 2013
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LLight

Okay but yeah I feel terrible and will never, in good conscience, play like that again.

June 10, 2013
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LLight

Welcome Apollo. I hope you enjoyed my scathing death post for you in the main thread. Hope it wasn't too evil {:P}

June 10, 2013
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White Thunder

May her soul suffer in Hell for all eternity.

.... (cry)(cry)(cry)(cry)(cry)(cry)

Gosh, White Thunder. Why would I even mention you in the will if I'm going to be talking to you here. (cry)(cry)(cry)(cry)(cry)(cry)

How could you be so MEAN (cry)(cry)(cry)(cry)

I WAS GOING TO LEAVE THE CHILDREN TO YOU AFTER THIS GAME WAS OVER (cry)(cry)(cry)(cry)

June 10, 2013
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Apollo Justice

LET'S GET THIS DEAD THREAD BUMPIN'

June 10, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

I'M SORRY I OVERREACTED PLS FORGIVE ME

June 10, 2013
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White Thunder

I-It's okay.. I'll.... just go cry over here....

Anyways, sup my dead fellas! I brought refreshments!

June 10, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Hold on guys, I have to go save my soul from eternal damnation. BRB.

June 10, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Come now, we only have fun in here. Only happy faces allowed now from here on out, okay?

June 10, 2013
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LLight

I do have to admit that was a really awesome post in the main thread.

June 10, 2013
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White Thunder

You'll get extra points for drama, for sure.

June 10, 2013
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LLight

White Thunder, you're too kind..

I promise, I'll whip up something extra-special, just for you for being an awesome host {:P}

JUST WAIT FOR IT

June 10, 2013
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Apollo Justice

I'm on the edge of my seat already.

June 10, 2013
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White Thunder

Hey, would you guys mind one little spoiler? I promise, it's hilarious.

June 10, 2013
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Apollo Justice

I don't mind spoilers at all! Lay it on thick!

June 10, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Howdy, Apollo. Welcome to the dead party thread.

I don't mind spoilers (I already know who the Gov/D-V/Lazarus are as well as one Townie because I poked around in the Mafia CP to see if there was any way I might be able to fix the locked threads after the game was over), but wait to hear from everyone else. :)

June 10, 2013
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white lancer

All right, so I guess spoilers is unanimous then? I let Speed decide for me and he said yeah. Expecting a reply soon.

June 10, 2013
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LLight

Hi, hi, white lancer, nice to finally talk to you since I don't think we've ever actually spoken during the Mafia games {:P}

Anyways, weid man is the Assassin. I will warn you, it is funny/horrifying that he has no idea what the heck he's doing for any of this.

I'll post some tidbits.

Tonight once I was clearly dead:

[8:24:03 PM] weid man: so who is going to die this round in Mafia?
[8:25:18 PM] Tara: me lol
[8:25:37 PM] weid man: JUST you? wtf
[8:26:03 PM] weid man: surely someone else has to die

- He literally didn't understand that I was lynched, despite having 14 votes against me.

Earlier today

[12:43:38 PM] weid man: SPEED HAS BEEN LYNCHED, BUT SO HAS FERAK
[12:43:47 PM] Tara: yes
[12:44:52 PM] weid man: so whats the plan now?
[1:09:22 PM] Tara: well I'm dying
[1:24:08 PM] weid man: what? why are you dying?
[1:24:09 PM] weid man: wtf
[1:24:15 PM] weid man: I am sorry
[1:25:21 PM] weid man: I will remedy you

[2:03:52 PM] weid man: FUCK SHIT, THEY ARE VOTING FOR YOU
[2:03:56 PM] weid man: IN THE DAY 3 THREAD
[2:04:04 PM] weid man: I NEED TO SAVE YOU
[2:10:25 PM] weid man: THIS IS ALMOST UNANIMOUS. ONCE YOU DIE, WILL YOU STILL BE ABLE TO HELP ME OR NOT? I DON'T WANT TO RELY ON [a mafia member], BECAUSE [this person] HATES ME AND HAS NO PATIENCE WITH ME. OH MY GOOOOOD

Yesterday

[6/8/2013 4:28:01 PM] Tara: if you want to assassinate Speed, you should make the guess that he is the Doctor
[6/8/2013 4:28:12 PM] Tara: but do it in the thread where the members of the mafia speak
[6/8/2013 4:29:46 PM] weid man: oh hey
[6/8/2013 4:29:56 PM] weid man: sorry I just checked my notifications just now
[6/8/2013 4:30:44 PM] weid man: wiat a second....
[6/8/2013 4:30:52 PM] weid man: I post this in the MAFIA thread?
[6/8/2013 4:30:58 PM] weid man: not the night/day 2 one?
[6/8/2013 4:31:05 PM] weid man: thats my last question for this game
[6/8/2013 4:33:16 PM] weid man: says you are still typing
[6/8/2013 4:33:27 PM] Tara: yes
[6/8/2013 4:33:29 PM] Tara: in the Mafia thread
[6/8/2013 4:33:33 PM] Tara: where the Mafia members speak
[6/8/2013 4:33:49 PM] Tara: Game 18 Mafia Thread
[6/8/2013 4:34:46 PM] weid man: penis in vagina
[6/8/2013 4:34:47 PM] weid man: posted

... Just to tide you all over. -___- More to come.

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Apollo Justice

[6/8/2013 4:33:27 PM] Tara: yes
[6/8/2013 4:33:29 PM] Tara: in the Mafia thread
[6/8/2013 4:33:33 PM] Tara: where the Mafia members speak
[6/8/2013 4:33:49 PM] Tara: Game 18 Mafia Thread
[6/8/2013 4:34:46 PM] weid man: penis in vagina
[6/8/2013 4:34:47 PM] weid man: posted


A never-before-seen look into the mind of a masterful killer... His postulations are sometimes so magnificent that they can only be expressed as "penis in vagina".

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Speed Bike Pro
 

I. am. literally crying tears of laughter. XD

You got killed by weid man and I totally called that, holy shit. XD

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LLight

called that* as in him as a mafia role, but ASS ASS IN? rotf

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LLight

From when we found out the roles

[5/30/2013 10:31:42 PM] weid man: thank GOD they put me on your team
[5/30/2013 10:31:50 PM] weid man: this is truly a blessing from Our Father
[5/30/2013 10:32:02 PM] Tara: you just.. don't say ANYTHING TO ANYONE who speaks to you except for [mafia member] and I outside of Mafia
[5/30/2013 10:32:05 PM] Tara: so if Speed talks say nothing
[5/30/2013 10:32:20 PM] weid man: gotcha
[5/30/2013 10:32:58 PM] weid man: in fact feral should get skype if anything. so we can plan this out all together
[5/30/2013 10:35:25 PM] weid man: idk if I cna think for myself on this
[5/30/2013 10:35:42 PM] weid man: I will read up on my role again too
[5/30/2013 10:35:59 PM] Tara: you'll be fine
[5/30/2013 10:36:01 PM] Tara: I'll tell you how to play
[5/30/2013 10:36:37 PM] weid man: thank you, this will be addicting
[5/30/2013 10:37:02 PM] weid man: in fact if you acn help me win that will be so generous, the most generous thing imo. and Speed would be mad


[5/30/2013 10:38:05 PM] weid man: Assassin - Every night round, the assassin can, if he wishes, choose one person and guess their role. If this guess is correct, that person will be assassinated during the night round. If this guess is incorrect, the assassination attempt fails, revealing who the assassin is to the entire town the next morning.
[5/30/2013 10:38:09 PM] Tara: yes
[5/30/2013 10:38:15 PM] weid man: FUCKING ASS
[5/30/2013 10:38:21 PM] Tara: no, no, it's fine
[5/30/2013 10:38:31 PM] weid man: piece of DICK

[5/30/2013 10:38:53 PM] weid man: what if we killed Speed? lololol
[5/30/2013 10:39:17 PM] Tara: yes we might
[5/30/2013 10:39:27 PM] weid man: total ownage if that happens

- weid got the true ownage he desired

[5/30/2013 11:43:05 PM] weid man: ASSASSin
[5/30/2013 11:43:10 PM] weid man: assassin's creed
[5/30/2013 11:52:19 PM] weid man: actually let's kill John first!

[5/31/2013 12:08:58 AM] Tara: so, wanna know about assassin?
[5/31/2013 12:09:13 AM] weid man: yes please
[5/31/2013 12:09:15 AM] weid man: assassin
[5/31/2013 12:09:17 AM] Tara: alright
[5/31/2013 12:09:44 AM] Tara: every night, you will decide with us who to kill
[5/31/2013 12:09:53 AM] Tara: the entire mafia will kill someone - we post it in the mafia thread
[5/31/2013 12:10:27 AM] Tara: that's just being a mafia member
[5/31/2013 12:10:29 AM] Tara: but you, in particular
[5/31/2013 12:10:33 AM] Tara: will get to kill someone extra every night
[5/31/2013 12:10:42 AM] Tara: IF you decide to
[5/31/2013 12:10:51 AM] Tara: but, if you decide to, you have to correctly guess that person's role
[5/31/2013 12:10:55 AM] Tara: for example
[5/31/2013 12:11:03 AM] Tara: this is JUST an example, and is hypothetical
[5/31/2013 12:11:19 AM] Tara: say you think Speed is a normal Townie - not a special one
[5/31/2013 12:11:27 AM] Tara: (vanilla townie means normal, non-special townie)
[5/31/2013 12:11:33 AM] Tara: and you want to kill him
[5/31/2013 12:11:50 AM] Tara: you have to say, when it is your turn
[5/31/2013 12:11:59 AM] Tara: "I want to kill Speed Bike Pro with the guess that he is a vanilla townie"
[5/31/2013 12:12:02 AM] Tara: if you're right, he will die
[5/31/2013 12:12:18 AM] Tara: if you're not right, the next day your role will be revealed and you will be killed by the town
[5/31/2013 12:12:25 AM] Tara: so you won't use your power every night
[5/31/2013 12:12:37 AM] weid man: PENISES

[5/31/2013 12:14:22 AM] weid man: John will be jealous
[5/31/2013 12:14:35 AM] weid man: totally
[5/31/2013 12:14:45 AM] weid man: John will go APESHIT
[5/31/2013 12:14:54 AM] weid man: HOLY FUCKING SHIT
[5/31/2013 12:15:29 AM] weid man: I can't wait to see John's response after this game finishes
[5/31/2013 12:15:44 AM] weid man: epicly screen it for the lulz
[5/31/2013 12:15:54 AM] Tara: okay, let's not get too excited
[5/31/2013 12:16:31 AM] weid man: alright. he will call me a bitch. but I am going to pretend I am a slave

[5/31/2013 12:33:26 AM] weid man: are there any inspesctors in this game of mafia? call them inspector FAGGOT at the end
[5/31/2013 12:33:47 AM] Tara: nope, but that is rude
[5/31/2013 12:35:16 AM] weid man: let's own Johnny
[5/31/2013 12:35:18 AM] weid man: seriously
[5/31/2013 12:35:32 AM] weid man: idk how, but we will somehow
[5/31/2013 12:35:43 AM] Tara: we'll figure out something
[5/31/2013 12:35:47 AM] weid man: never speaking to him about the game
[5/31/2013 12:35:54 AM] weid man: nor anyone else
[5/31/2013 12:35:57 AM] weid man: just you and [mafia member]
[5/31/2013 12:36:31 AM] weid man: Johnny is going to explode in a massive shitstorm

Maybe more to come if I am not too scarred after rereading these conversations.

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Apollo Justice

You got killed by weid man



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Speed Bike Pro
 

[5/31/2013 12:14:22 AM] weid man: John will be jealous
[5/31/2013 12:14:35 AM] weid man: totally
[5/31/2013 12:14:45 AM] weid man: John will go APESHIT
[5/31/2013 12:14:54 AM] weid man: HOLY FUCKING SHIT
[5/31/2013 12:15:29 AM] weid man: I can't wait to see John's response after this game finishes
[5/31/2013 12:15:44 AM] weid man: epicly screen it for the lulz
[5/31/2013 12:15:54 AM] Tara: okay, let's not get too excited


Why is this the person who killed me? Is this a just world? I think not.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

lol'ing so hard.

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LLight

...I...I have no words...

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white lancer

I hope you understand my predicament, white lancer. {:(}

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Apollo Justice

But how did you figure Speed was the doctor? Don't tell me he told you again. Geez.

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LLight

[6/3/2013 1:14:40 AM] weid man: I have true love for girls

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Apollo Justice

Also, to add input about the actual game:

I don't think I would have been lynched this past day if white lancer wasn't the Vigilante; while we got really lucky with it, it was sort of unlucky for me in particular, because people then realized that it was most likely that white lancer or Speed were assassinated. This, of course, would require knowing their roles. So, people (especially The Bandit, and by the way I do think he's doing a darn fine job playing this game so far, especially starting the lynch against me) figured I got Speed's role and that was how we got an Assassin kill. I specifically didn't want MM9 or Yeano to die, only because I figured they'd go after each other. So, white lancer's name was thrown out for the Mafia kill and I felt pretty good about it, so we went for it. I just figured you were a Townie, but nooooope! You tricky tricky lancer {:P} So, yeah. The only really logical conclusion to what had happened was that the Mafia had Speed's role, which turned out to be the truth.

Honestly, being the Mafia is pretty taxing. I'm not the best at lying and I'm not sure how I come off when I do lie, so it's hard to know how to play. But darn, my first two games, and I'm Mafia in both of 'em {:P}

I'm kinda glad I'm dead, too. Gives me a break from my evil planning~ But seriously, I am a bit happier just sitting back and observing. And I pray that next time I get a town-sided role.

... I'll probably get Cop or something and be lynched Day 1 because no one trusts me in this game. (hehe)

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Apollo Justice

When I was randomly assigning the roles and weid was up I hoped he didn't become the assassin- I didn't want him being a power role the first time around. That and MM9 was next and I wanted him to be on the Mafia to give them a bit more experience. But lo and behold weid was given the assassin role. I almost switched it but randomization won out.

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White Thunder

Well, at least the randomization has led to some good laughs. {:P}

They all better hurry up with their night actions~

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Apollo Justice

Welcome MM9! Interesting play by the Mafia here.

June 11, 2013
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White Thunder

Hi Majora <3

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Apollo Justice

I sorry, thought you were Mafia. I need to locate the next one, but kind of tired. I can do maybe one or two days without good sleep, but 3 is pushing it.

What... what the hell, you're a townie and you mad refresh at night? Oh I guess there was the MK7 tourney and whatnot. I was thinking maybe, maybe you were trying to avoid my detection skill with odd traffic. It seemed kind of suspicious that you started posting more elsewhere or I just noticed it more.

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LLight


What... what the hell, you're a townie and you mad refresh at night?


I intentionally did that to throw you off because I'm a jerk :)

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MajorasMask9

lol

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White Thunder

Hahaha I kinda figured the smarter players would do something that. You botched my predictions and we're supposed to be town sided. {:(}

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LLight

LLight is 2/2 on his list of power roles/mafia members. I'm not breaking the streak yet.

I'm rooting for you, Dooku. Don't let meh down, but it will probably get you killed and they should have done it last night if they knew what was good for them. MM and Yeano would have to duke it out and the town will have wasted a lynch on them.

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LLight

I intentionally did that to throw you off because I'm a jerk :)

XD. I started doing the same thing. And then I got bored.

Care to shed some light on the Mafia strategy with the Hooker, Apollo? Cause it's weirding me out that you didn't hit Yeano with either the Mafia kill or the Hooker two nights ago (when you hit Speed).

I also don't get not hitting anyone with the Assassin last night. Unless Yeano's lying about being the Cop, you've got all but three power roles accounted for and a great shot of taking out two people in one night. Not to mention, say, taking out the Cop himself (although I understand holding off on that if you can still make him useless for the night with the Hooker).

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white lancer

So, white lancer's name was thrown out for the Mafia kill and I felt pretty good about it, so we went for it. I just figured you were a Townie, but nooooope! You tricky tricky lancer {:P} So, yeah. The only really logical conclusion to what had happened was that the Mafia had Speed's role, which turned out to be the truth.

Heh. Well, I was hoping lightning would strike twice and y'all would try to get me with the Assassin again, but no dice. {:(}

June 11, 2013
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white lancer

So now people want to lynch Redack? Hah! The nerve.

Also you suck, but I saw that coming.

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LLight

Care to shed some light on the Mafia strategy with the Hooker, Apollo? Cause it's weirding me out that you didn't hit Yeano with either the Mafia kill or the Hooker two nights ago (when you hit Speed).

A lot of the Mafia seemed to be on different pages with everything. Ideas were changed every 5 minutes it seemed like. It made it really hard to make final decisions. Including me, there were only 3 members really even actively posting in the Mafia thread.

As far as the Hooker goes, the Godfather and I were literally the only people saying Yeano should be targeted. But the Hooker didn't even discuss it with us. S/he picked Roxas I think for a target the night you and Speed died which was really surprising for me... I thought it was pretty obvious that Roxas wasn't a power role (or if he is, he's something less powerful like the double-voter)

But, yeah. I was pretty disappointed with the lack of contribution in the Mafia thread. Like I said, there are 2 other players who were actively posting in it and helping to form a strategy, but the rest were not contributing much. But it's understandable. People have busy lives. {:P}

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Apollo Justice

Ah, okay. I was wondering if the Hooker was just completely inactive or something since targeting Yeano (or better yet, Speed, and then Nightkilling Yeano) seemed like a no-brainer. Guess this was a bit of a different Mafia experience for you than last game. {:P}

If Redack talks too much, he gets Nightkilled. If he talks too little, he gets lynched. He just can't win. :( I do think lynching him is a mistake, though.

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white lancer

...Yeano got a verdict AGAIN?!?!?!? At this point, he's gotta be just picking people he thinks are guilty and pretending that he has verdicts against them, right? Because there's no way the Hooker could be misused so badly.

Also, why does everyone keep assuming I'd make such a dumb move as to take out Speed? He had an innocent verdict...

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white lancer

Yeano must not be the Cop. Because I am nearly certain that Yeano was hookered last night, unless the Hooker neglected to pay attention to my dying wishes, or they just... didn't want to hooker Yeano.

Us Mafia members are going to be dropping like flies. I had a feeling it'd be like this...

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Apollo Justice

Also, why does everyone keep assuming I'd make such a dumb move as to take out Speed? He had an innocent verdict...

It seemed like the most prominent reason/justification to why I was lynched was because the Assassin took out Speed. As in, why people said I was guilty, because I could have gotten Speed's role. So I'm surprised they still think that you'd take out Speed, too..

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Apollo Justice

Welcome, Shadow! It's rather unfortunate that you weren't around last night to use your power... might have costed you your life.

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White Thunder

Gosh, I feel bad for one Mafia member in particular (it's the Mafioso who is the most active). Weid keeps asking this individual to run the game for him so this member has to play two parts. Weid literally said "Quote here what I should say in the day thread." It seems to be stressing him/her out.

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White Thunder

This is why I don't like what LLight did. Now rather than playing the game, the townies are just running down a checklist of who to kill. Takes the fun out of the game imo.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

I think I know who you're talking about, WT. He was messaging me on Skype ENDLESSLY asking me for help and I'm telling him I'm dead and against the rules and to just ask the other alive Mafia members for help in the thread instead of asking everyone on Skype. He literally does not understand. He shouldn't have signed up for the game if he wasn't ready for the responsibility, but surely he didn't realize it would involve this much strategy and such. He's lucky someone he knows was in the Mafia to begin with. Though, I do feel bad that he got arguably the most difficult role in the game.

And I agree with Speed. Obviously it's a strategy that works but it's not very fun.

Still love LLight though <3

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Apollo Justice

It seemed like the most prominent reason/justification to why I was lynched was because the Assassin took out Speed. As in, why people said I was guilty, because I could have gotten Speed's role. So I'm surprised they still think that you'd take out Speed, too..

Well, they did have a Guilty verdict on you, so that was at least part of the bandwagon against you. {:P} I guess they find it easier to believe that I made a slightly stupid move with disastrous results than that Speed made a really stupid move (sorry, Speed {:P}) with...disastrous results.

And yep, I agree with you about LLight's strategy as well. It looks like Yeano has been basing his investigations off that list. Maybe he'll finally join us tonight.

June 12, 2013
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white lancer

I new from the very start that the Mafia didn't stand a chance. Nothing against individual players, but worst random draft EVER. Not that the town will have easy trying to pick out the handful of inactive Mafia.

When I left, I asked WT to swap my role with a regular Mafioso to give them even a minute chance, but he declined my request repeatedly. I actually feel bad for Thunder, as this can't be a very fun game to host.

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Feral

Well, they did have a Guilty verdict on you, so that was at least part of the bandwagon against you.

Bad phrasing on my part (hehe) I meant the FIRST thing they were going on, like how The Bandit was the first one to go after me with that justification.

I will be very, very surprised if the Mafia doesn't kill off Yeano tonight. He would be a very welcome addition here~

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Apollo Justice

I new from the very start that the Mafia didn't stand a chance. Nothing against individual players, but worst random draft EVER.

I was worried about that. I really wanted to switch it up but just felt that I shouldn't. I think the Mafia could make it close actually, but I really don't see them winning right now.

I actually feel bad for Thunder, as this can't be a very fun game to host.

Haha, it's pretty difficult but I'm enjoying it, a really great game to watch from this perspective.

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White Thunder

The Mafia could win if they start actually taking Assassin shots. The ratio really should be a fair bit closer than it actually is right now. Plus, it would have been harder to get Shadow lynched if Yeano hadn't been left free two rounds longer than he should have been. ;)

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white lancer

Welcome Yeano and Dooku. Shouldn't really be surprised to be here shoulda you?

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White Thunder

Hi, Dooku and Yeano {:P}

At the very beginning of the game, right after Day 1, my list of suspected power roles was (I posted it in the Mafia thread)

- Speed Bike Pro (Dead, turned out to be Doctor)
- Yeano (Dead, turned out to be Cop)
- Count Dooku (Dead, turned out to be Double-Voter)
- Person who has yet to die
- Person who has yet to die

3 for 5 so far. So, I very much hope the Mafia look back on that. (ashamed)

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Apollo Justice

Apollo your other 2 just maybeee were accurate as well {:P} maybe.

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White Thunder

Apollo, I know I was only around for a couple days, but you, Shadow, and to an extent, the Godfather, were the only ones who did a damn thing. The only other active mafioso played their usual "follow-the-leader" stragety, and now has no leader to follow.

I think their identity has been reveale here, but the Assasin is so inept that it wouldn't be surprising if they wound up killing themselves(if they bother showing up).

The town has already picked out a majority of the inactive Mafia...

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Feral

Apollo your other 2 just maybeee were accurate as well maybe.

(:|) Well, sigh. If I recall correctly my list was completely ignored by the other Mafia members, and I think the only person who even slightly acknowledged it was the Godfather. {fp}

Feral, before I left, one of the Mafioso chimed in quite a bit more, and Shadow wasn't really posting after Night 1 (but he's here now yay). weid man barely said a word in the thread besides the very beginning of the game, when we found out the roles.

The Mafia stand almost no chance at winning, if only because most of them have been picked out. Regardless, I suppose it'll be interesting to watch unfold.

Also I'm impressed with the very timely updates, White Thunder {:P}

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Apollo Justice

So who was coaching weid man on what to say when I asked him what his role was?

Also, very surprised I didn't die sooner.

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Yeano

Oh just so Speed has more context...

I private messaged weid and asked him what his role was. He used the word "yup" in his response, and it seemed unlike him. As a matter of fact, the whole conversation seemed very unlike him.

So that's why I asked in xat if he ever uses the word "yup." It felt like he was being coached. Apollo can testify that I told her it felt like he was being coached.

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Yeano

Oh! Also, this is a technical thing.

LLight is right that certain power role threads go unavailable every game since they were posted as that power role and it's coded into the thread.

The reason why roles were available last game is because the roles were different. Either the host used lower case letters or they put spaces between the list (The list of roles should be like Host,Mafia,Cop,etc. but could have been like Host, Mafia, Cop, etc.) which would cause all of the names to be lower case (since Xhin made it so that only the first letter of each role can be upper case - for whatever reason).

Whatever the case, the way it was setup in the host panel is the same way it was setup last game, which is causing last game's threads to be locked out but not causing other threads to be locked out.

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Yeano

So who was coaching weid man on what to say when I asked him what his role was?

Two other (alive) Mafia members were in the xat at the time. After I died, I "pushed" weid onto both of them, so I assume it was one of them (or both).

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Apollo Justice

And for those wondering, yes, I was purposely trying to be suspicious the first day round. My initial strategy as Cop was to be suspicious enough that the Mafia thought they would be able to kill me in the Day round.

Thanks to Majora (even though he didn't intend to aid me), it seems this strategy gave me more time than it should have, even when I abandoned it to make an early cop claim.

And even though I was truly suspicious of Zanic, I didn't check anyone that I openly stated suspicions about. This was because I felt like it would be a waste to check them, seeing that increased pressure in the day round could lead to some sort of slip up.

Anyway, I talked to Apollo, and it seems like a town win is very possible at this point. GO TOWN!

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Yeano

Eep :(

I feel so... incorporeal.

Great job on the activity monitoring, LLight. You really dealt the Mafia a hard hand and they're still suffering from it.

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Count Dooku

At this point, I hope they just keep using LLight's list to end this as soon as possible. Game 19 plz.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

If I recall correctly my list was completely ignored by the other Mafia members, and I think the only person who even slightly acknowledged it was the Godfather.

After you died said-most active Mafioso posted your list and said: "You guys! I saw this as I strolled up and so: We're going to trust Apollo's instincts now. I'd like to kill [name] and [other name]." So there's that.

Also I'm impressed with the very timely updates, White Thunder

Can't find a job so I have nothing better to do, lol.

So who was coaching weid man on what to say when I asked him what his role was?

Weid is literally begging the other Mafia to just play the game for him, tell him exactly what to say and all that. I think it's starting to get on their nerves, it would for me haha. If he weren't the assassin they'd probably sell him out {:P}

or they put spaces between the list

Yeah, I did that. My bad, totally didn't know about that.

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White Thunder

Fate(being the random drawing by WT) dealt the Mafia a bad hand(a 2-7 off suit in Poker). LLight being a plain townie was part of that.

Redack and Roxas should be the Mafia's next targets. They need to get the smart thinkers and good face readers out of there.

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Feral

Should have included Chief in my hitlist. He just nailed a bull's eye with his list, and probably just cost the Mafia any tiny shot they had.

He actually managed to pick out EVERY remaining Mafia just by observation.

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Feral

Way ta go Feral just spoiled it for the rest of the Dead Thread {:P}

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White Thunder

My list was incomplete before my death, so in all fairness, I'm only responsible for a few of their deaths and it was more than the observed traffic that got me thinking about the probable roles. I took a lot of other sources into consideration and it took a better deal to know the inter-player relationships as well as knowing how some people act and react in certain ways that are comprehensible. Also have to know where they're likely to post outside of mafia and what they're likely to be interested in. The TRE thing and the MK7 tournament almost muddled my view in the following nights.

I didn't get a read on anyone in the last night round either because I was pretty out of it for the whole day.

The game can still go either way though, it takes more to convince the town to follow suit after you pick out a bunch of randoms.

Not really sure which is the last one off my last list. The last, silent mafia playstyle is either Trever or Hindenburg?

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LLight

...... {fp}

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Apollo Justice

What is Castrael doing?

She's practically confessed that, "Both weid and I are mafia - but please kill me first."

June 13, 2013
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Yeano

Lol @ Castrael.

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Count Dooku

This has certainly been a game of GTX0 mafia.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

And in the process, Jo seems to have gotten her to exonerate chief. Nice play by him--his suspicions have been way off most of the game, but that helps to make up for it.

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white lancer

And in the process, Jo seems to have gotten her to exonerate chief. Nice play by him--his suspicions have been way off most of the game, but that helps to make up for it.

I liked what he did there. I was hoping she wouldn't fall for it, but, eh. Oh well.

She'll very likely be lynched the next day, and weid will die today. Then the other remaining Mafia members... idk.

This game has just... (:|)

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Apollo Justice

Of course, in retrospect, I would have done a lot differently this game. This game is going so downhill for the Mafia at a rate I can't even fathom {:P}

It.. is almost comical. (cry)

June 13, 2013
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Apollo Justice

After weid dies today and Castrael definitely dies tomorrow, I think the bleeding will stop drastically since the other members of the mafia haven't really done much to put their guilt out for all to see quite like Castrael did.

Then again, a few lists have been posted that would effectively end the mafia if the town actually follows through on them.

GAME 19 PLZ

June 13, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Yeah, once Weid and Cas are out, things are really gonna slow down.

June 13, 2013
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Feral

Hopefully they go on the kill for Kyon and Shadowwalked next, then I noticed hezy voted for Bubba every round.

June 13, 2013
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LLight

Controversial opinion alert:

Stranglehold > I Want To Hold Your Hand.

*Hides*

June 14, 2013
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white lancer

Don't make me Host Kill you from the Dead Thread.

June 14, 2013
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White Thunder

Yeahh, maybe we shouldn't let weid play.

June 14, 2013
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White Thunder

{fp}

This game has been a disaster for the mafia and only a small portion of that was within their power to stop. Needless to say, they got a bad draw.

June 14, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

And hello to weid, if he ever finds his way here.

June 14, 2013
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White Thunder

He more than likely won't. (hehe)

June 14, 2013
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Apollo Justice

I figured as much.

June 14, 2013
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White Thunder

Soon our angel will be the centerfold.

June 15, 2013
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Female Alpha Wolf

Welcome to The Bandit.

Geez, this is a long game. At the very shortest- meaning either all mislynches or Mafia lynches- we'll have 4 more day rounds. Goodness gracious, you guys best be comfortable being dead {:P}

June 15, 2013
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White Thunder

Good job, The Bandit. I think you played very well.

June 15, 2013
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Yeano

Thank you Yeano, I appreciate that.

June 15, 2013
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The Bandit

Oh look, it's Bandit. I guess they did get the short stick seeing as most of the regular power vanilla townies are here anyways.

June 15, 2013
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LLight

I would have also suggested to add more kill methods rather than Assassin, Town Lynch, Vigilante, and Mafia Kill. With this many players and killing roles cut in half, things will get quite mundane.

June 15, 2013
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LLight

Hi, Bandit. You have indeed played a mighty fine game.

Agreed with LLight, though it might have been a little crazy with that. I just have a feeling this is going to drag on for a really long time. And PLZ I just want to be not Mafia sided and do awesome Townie-sided stuff next game because uhh, after this game of being in the Mafia, I might need mental therapy.

June 15, 2013
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Apollo Justice

LLight, Shadow is long dead. His body is in the process of rigormortis now.

Why on Earth is Cas throwing all her allies under the bus? Is she THAT desperate to survive?

June 15, 2013
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Feral

Thanks Apollo.

The best thing Cas can do at this point is shut up and vote for herself. : / I still don't get why she 180ed on weid so hard. The Assassin would have made it a lot easier for them to win, but it definitely wasn't impossible without him.

June 15, 2013
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The Bandit

Plz plz plz follow through on the Kyon vote after Cas dies. I just want this to end.

June 15, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Cas has been super stressed with this game, my guess is she's had some IRL stuff going on and having to deal with weid really got on her nerves.

June 15, 2013
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White Thunder

I can understand that. He really shouldn't be allowed to play if he's not going to actually play. Asking others what to do doesn't really qualify as playing.

Though, we'll miss out on stuff like this:

[6/8/2013 4:34:46 PM] weid man: penis in vagina

June 15, 2013
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The Bandit

She's placing blame on other mafia members. This is an indirect slip, don't know how many people will catch it.

June 15, 2013
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LLight

And she outs yet ANOTHER Mafia. I'm surprised the remaining Mafia hasn't waved a white flag yet.

June 15, 2013
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Feral

Yeah... Unfortunately, it looks like you guys are right. If they can't even lynch Castrael fast, they're going to have trouble with the others. :(

June 15, 2013
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The Bandit

These guys, even on my list before I died, there are reasons why some roles are more likely to not be townie power roles. It's also a given that the town only has 2 power roles left, Roxas knows he's one of them and the other is the Lazarus who can revive (too bad it's a night action that doesn't work during the day though).

June 16, 2013
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LLight

I think you might be wrong. I don't thik Roxas would be so quick to request a host kill as a power role, blessing as it would be for the Mafia.

June 16, 2013
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Feral

Welcome Castrael. Here in the afterlife you can finally rest from your labors.

June 16, 2013
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White Thunder

NEVER let me play two roles again. ;_;

June 16, 2013
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Castrael

Roxas, Vigilante? He let it slip that it was a Vig kill before I saw this, then denies being it and mafia.

I was just going with what I thought was more likely on Night One as far as the kills go.

Lol. I must have a sick fetish for always proving everyone wrong or something.

FUCKING-A, SPEED, YOU HAD ONE JOB.

Only happy faces allowed now from here on out, okay?



they put spaces between the list

hee...hee?

I don't thik Roxas would be so quick to request a host kill as a power role, blessing as it would be for the Mafia.

I planned on requesting a host kill if the round didn't end by nightfall yesterday, regardless of my role.

June 16, 2013
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`Roxas`

Any way, I had a feeling weid was Mafia on Day One, as evidence by my initial vote for him.

Reason I claimed to be the Governor on Day Five was because I had nothing to lose at that point. If weid wasn't the Assassin, then the real Assassin probably would have gone after me and revealed himself by a botched attempted. If that was the case, we would have six straight days of Mafia's dying via the lynch. It was apparent Cas was Mafia by the way she was acting throughout that day, so Day Six was a no-brainer.

Pretty sure based on the chatlogs posted by Apollo, Kyon is one of the remaining Mafia. I'll go ahead and say that Bubba and Trever are the last two (despite my thinking he's a Townie).

I'm surprised Redack and I made it this far into the game without dying.

Also, the last two rounds would have ended much sooner if people weren't being so hesitant about killing. {>:(}

June 16, 2013
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`Roxas`

Sorry, Cas. :( I'm sure that was really frustrating.

June 16, 2013
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The Bandit

If I were the Assassin and weid was my teammate, I'd have toasted him first chance I got. Unfortunately, you weren't so lucky and for that you have my deepest sympathies.

June 16, 2013
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`Roxas`

Thanks guys. It was definitely hard work since I didn't know whether or not I should be both. And I'm sorry for those who got voted off by me. :/ and I didn't know what to do since Feral knew him better.

Roxas you literally confused with me with that. XD so if you guys see the mafia thread at the end of the game take heed

June 16, 2013
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Castrael

Something I'll look forward to come September. (look)

June 16, 2013
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`Roxas`

You guessed 'em all, Rocks. You're a champ.

June 16, 2013
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LLight

Castrael, I feel bad for you. That sounds like a horrible experience.

June 16, 2013
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Yeano

I talked to Apollo after posting that and she confirmed it. (look)

June 16, 2013
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`Roxas`

Hey guys. Was going to message but my account signed off. Yeah, I think I'm stepping out next game and join this thread. I didn't know what to do. I was confused. Id ask feral for advice since he knows him better but oi

June 16, 2013
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Castrael

Nothing you could do. We were screwed from the start. Once Kyon and Bubba are lynched, Trever MIGHT have a shot if lays VERY low. Very slim, though. (Quiet guys, no secret who the remaining Mafia are at this point!)

Hindenberg seems to have gone inactive site-wide...

June 17, 2013
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Feral

Oh... you got it spoiled then. A bit disappointed, but... aw, all right.

June 17, 2013
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LLight

I tried... ;/ but, Redack got me for good and so did Roxas

<<

June 17, 2013
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Castrael

Sorry, Cas, it had to be done. (fedup)

June 17, 2013
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`Roxas`

Why? ;_; Why me?

June 17, 2013
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Castrael

You made it so obvious, and I wasn't entirely sure who else could be Mafia. Of the three remaining, I probably would have gone after Kyon next, then Bubba. Trev would have taken a while for me because I believed him when he said he was a Townie.

June 17, 2013
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`Roxas`

Everybody says they are a townie at some point. :/ I think I'm going to stay out of the next game and observe this new one.

June 17, 2013
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Castrael

I expect the next game to be a small group and should go fast. Many have said they are burned out, and after the dissaster this game was(not Thunder's fault, just the handful on inactives and lazies), not sure how many are ready to jump right back in.

Might not even be a bad idea to put Mafia on hold for a few weeks to allow everybody to relax a bit.

June 17, 2013
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Feral

I would jump right back in. {:P}

June 17, 2013
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Apollo Justice

You cray. <3

June 17, 2013
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Castrael

I'll be sitting out three to five games. (look)

June 17, 2013
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`Roxas`

Welcome Redack Caskiller. It's about time you got here! Bet you missed your home the Dead Thread.

June 17, 2013
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White Thunder

Redack Caskiller. Nice Thunder :P

June 17, 2013
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Castrael

Why is Bubba making a long accusation post about Kyon but not voting for him? He's already did, just commit and vote. : /

I'm pretty sure that's not the first time I've seen that from a mafia player this game.

June 17, 2013
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The Bandit

*already dead

June 17, 2013
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The Bandit

Oh, I'm stupid. Only skimmed his post. NEVERMIND SORRY DON'T LISTEN TO ME

June 17, 2013
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The Bandit

I would have gone for Bubba, right now he's the driving mafioso.

June 18, 2013
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LLight

I guess I have a bit of catchup to do.

--I like the little tribute you gave Roxas, there, Thunder. He deserves it, especially since I believe he was one of the few that had yet to miss a game even this far into it.

--I loved how Roxas made several official posts declaring someone Guilty when it was already obvious that they were. {:P}

--I agree that Bandit played a strong game, maybe the strongest Town-sided game so far this time.

--You may be right about next game being small, Feral...although I wouldn't be surprised if those of us who have spent almost the entire game in the Dead Thread were ready to get going again.

--Not surprised at all that Bubba was Mafia--I had an inkling he might be when he seemed to know that the Vig had taken out LLight. Also thought Trever made himself super obvious the round weid man went down, but no one seems to have caught that.

June 18, 2013
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white lancer

Oh yeah. No doubt he deserved it.

June 18, 2013
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White Thunder

Chief is the most cautious guy I've ever seen. He's always worried about losing townies.

June 19, 2013
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The Bandit

I kinda want this game to end tbh. With the inactive players not playing, it'll be difficult now.

June 20, 2013
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Castrael

And so ends the influence of my list when I was alive. It only lingered for 7 days round since I've died.

June 20, 2013
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LLight

There's still more to come dear LLight...

June 20, 2013
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Castrael

Welcome Kyon and Hindenburg, although I doubt they'll make an appearance here.

June 20, 2013
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White Thunder

Hindy has surpringly gone inactive site wide. I don't think his issue is game related at all

June 20, 2013
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Feral

And we're down to 10.

June 21, 2013
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white lancer

Welcome hezy.

Man, I hate not being able to sleep.

June 21, 2013
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White Thunder

I wonder why they chose hezekiah?

June 21, 2013
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The Bandit

Trying to keep themselves conspicuous, I bet. Also, Hezy wasn't one of the suspicious townies.

Were I still alive, I would have gone for Jo or Zanic, the best non-suspicious player remaining. While Chief is a strong and smart player, he seems to be the top suspect right now. Yoshi is also suspect. Everybody else is a non-threat.

I think the two remaining Mafia's still have a shot in the play carefully. The remaining Mafia need to jump all over the Chief bandwagon, and when his lynch shows him to be innocent, force the blame for the bad call on Jo and Yoshi. Should then be quite easy to manipulate a lynch on Yoshi at least. Mafia kill Jo and Zanic in the night rounds, and it would be simple to pick off the inactives one by one after that.

June 21, 2013
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Feral

I think they chose hezekiah since he was dead set on killing Bubba practically the whole game.

With all the major leads finally being gone, hezekiah would have no doubt turned his attention on Bubba again this round.

At this point, I don't know who would pick up on that. I could see Zanic picking up on it, though. And I hope he does.

June 21, 2013
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Yeano

If I survived into Day 2, Bubba would have been nailed early for sure. Trever would have been hard to pick up on, but he has been posting outside of the game more often than in.

June 22, 2013
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LLight

Zanic's been playing a decent game, all things considered.

I think the two remaining Mafia's still have a shot in the play carefully. The remaining Mafia need to jump all over the Chief bandwagon, and when his lynch shows him to be innocent, force the blame for the bad call on Jo and Yoshi. Should then be quite easy to manipulate a lynch on Yoshi at least. Mafia kill Jo and Zanic in the night rounds, and it would be simple to pick off the inactives one by one after that.

The Mafia won't be able to lynch Chief, so I'm not worried about that. Black Yoshi is actually probably in the most jeopardy out of the innocent group apart from any stray inactives.

June 22, 2013
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white lancer

Also, a roleclaim at this point isn't disastrous, but it's still something that would be better left to later in the game. There's a big difference between a Governor roleclaiming with 10 people left and one that roleclaims with 5. Right now, a roleclaim would pretty much just set up the Mafia's next couple of targets (well...maybe. They might decide to avoid the Lazarus because there's some risk involved).

June 22, 2013
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white lancer

...Trever gets bonus points for posting a Who video...

June 22, 2013
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white lancer

This game just stopped dead in the water...

Lancer, why couldn't Chief be lynched? Two townies already called him out. Granted, they don't want to force it, but they can certainly push the town that is already leaning in that direction.

BTW, yay for 200 replies in the graveyard!

June 22, 2013
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Feral

This game just stopped dead in the water...

Seriously {fp}

June 22, 2013
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White Thunder

SPOILER ALERT:

Chief is the Governor. He'll stop any lynch against him.

June 22, 2013
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white lancer

Aww you guys are flattering after I felt so bad at making my Santa list, except for this

With Kyon being mafia, LLight goes 4/4 in guessing power roles. I don't know if he'll ever make it past day 1 again.
The next Redack, hmm? xD

That's just insulting. I've been better.

June 22, 2013
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LLight

I knew Chief had to be Governor! It has to make prefect sense

June 22, 2013
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Castrael

I'm thinking that Yoshi is Lazarus.

June 22, 2013
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Feral

I don't think I like the idea of LLight being called a second Redack :/

June 22, 2013
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Redack

Something we can finally agree on.

June 22, 2013
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LLight

Chief is the Governor. He'll stop any lynch against him.

Zanic... You better be the Lazarus!

June 22, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Nice, I was right about Bubba.

Still thinking I'll take a break from mafia for a game or two... I had no interest in playing in this one, and don't mind that I was killed.

June 23, 2013
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hezekiah

I would ignore the rest of the townie power roles for now. Role claiming either Governor or Lazarus at this point only serves to cause confusion because it works for both mafia and town sided false claims. It's just unnecessary attention.

June 23, 2013
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LLight

Also Trever, why are you so active now. With nearly all of power players out, it would make sense for a mafia member to start being more active now. I understand you could've been out of reception or something, but everything just seems so convenient. You not posting really at all for the first few days and now your playing style is completely different.

That was a good observation on Zanic's part. I was hoping someone would notice how differently Trever has played over the past couple of rounds. Now just to hope he follows through...

June 23, 2013
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white lancer

Two Redacks? That would be... uh, interesting... <3

Yeah, I thought it was weird when Trev made himself known more, especially after the assassin's death and mine.

June 23, 2013
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Castrael

...and then Zanic backs off. -_-"

June 23, 2013
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white lancer

Yeah, it was a really good observation, and I don't think Trever made a great defense. Coming up with 3 different, totally unrelated reasons would strike me as weird.

Looks like today will probably be a mislynch.

June 23, 2013
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The Bandit

yeah dude i was just busy IRL and i feel like talking more and it's easier to participate

*FART NOISE*

Plz kill this mafia hoodlum.

June 23, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

I like how chief has three names on his list, and he goes after the one that isn't Mafia. Whoops.

Can't blame him too much, though--PN hasn't done anything that would make him seem above suspicion. And definite kudos for identifying the last two Mafia along with PN, because if he can get the Town to go with that, the Town will win.

June 24, 2013
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white lancer

If Mafia goes through with kill we will FINALLY have a Lazarus resurrection tonight. About time.

June 24, 2013
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White Thunder

Chief is Lazurus? Chief will kill me when he reads this, but ironic that the elderly player gets the role named after an elderly historical figure!

June 24, 2013
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Feral

Yeah, Lazurus being resurected would (will?) be the final nail in the Mafia's coffin. There are several ways it could play out, but all end with the Mafia losing. Either the Mafia allows the Lazuras to come forward unhidered, guarenteing the reveal of one guilty Mafia and one innocent townie, or one of the Mafia makes a false counter-claim, which would reveal one, or possibly both, of the remaining Mafia upon the real Lazurus' death.

June 24, 2013
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Feral

Well that sounds just dandy. The game got a little bore for me after a few rounds of figuring out the good stuff, like all the remaining mafia players with slight spoilers for confirmation on the suspicions and figuring out that weid was the assassin were the best lol moments.

June 25, 2013
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LLight

Welcome Trever. Spot of tough luck there. Then again this game has been pretty unlucky for the Mafia overall anyway. I think Bubba could make it another round or two.

June 25, 2013
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White Thunder

Out of the two remaining, I'd say Trever would have been the harder one to identify.

June 25, 2013
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LLight

Game not over yet?

June 25, 2013
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Castrael

The thing is, the Mafia haven't even been all that unlucky this game. They really should have had the Doctor, the Cop, and the Apprentice all dead in the first two nights if they had played it correctly. Instead, they played it poorly...and they still got the Vigilante out instead. That was a huge advantage especially since they already knew who the Cop was, but as it turns out they just didn't have the experience/activity to take advantage of it. :-/

Funny how everyone seemed to be suspicious of Bubba a few rounds ago, and then this round he's pretty much dropped off everyone's radar as JN, Black Yoshi, and #85 point fingers at each other and chief. It's rough, being the last Mafia left, but the game isn't quite over.

I also am wondering if maybe the reason I'm still alive is because all of my suspicions have been way off and the Mafia are counting on me to act on them.

Heh. You have no idea, JN. {:P}

June 26, 2013
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white lancer

What game are YOU playing, Lancer? We were unlucky as fuck from the start! Worst over-all Mafia crew ever. Weid(our top role) had no idea what hw was doing and just plain sucked. Kyon didn't bother to play when he saw he was teamed with Weid. I was gone for the first week and was killed there-in. Apollo and Cas were both frustrated as hell at being Mafia AGAIN. Trever was busy in the beginning. That just left Shadow and Bubba, both who had to work out their rust.

June 26, 2013
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Feral

I actually didn't play Apprentice in any special way. I just played like I would have played if I was a town sided. There wasn't any special rhyme or reason to why I played like that if it at all seemed Apprentice-like. Any guess would have been more or less a coincidence.

June 26, 2013
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LLight

Welcome Zanic. Not too surprised to see you here.

June 26, 2013
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White Thunder

I lasted far too long if you ask me. I feel like I've been the least suspicious person there since Yeano went down. But I'm glad I took Trever down with me.{:P}

Bubba's name not really being mentioned at all in the last round could come back to haunt the town. They need to look back at the previous threads and do some deciphering. Something I failed to do at the time.

June 26, 2013
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Zanic

...did you even bother to read what I posted, Feral? Or did you just read the first sentence and go off on a rant? Because apart from the draw of players (which was pretty bad, I agree), your luck has actually been pretty good. You can't tell me that getting rid of the four strongest Town power roles in the first couple of rounds wouldn't be a lot of luck for ANY Mafia team...not to mention that we had inactivity and the like on our side as well and had two of our own Hostkilled. A more experienced Mafia group would have won the game already with those advantages, and the fact that the last Mafia is STILL in a good position to do so despite all the misplaying on your side and the Town having yet to mislynch in the game says a lot IMO.

June 26, 2013
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white lancer

I'm actually not too optimistic about this one right now. The Mafia have plenty of suspicious targets (85, Yoshi, PN and igga) and Bubba seems to have fallen COMPLETELY off everyone's radar for some reason. Two mid lunches are very possible and maybe even likely, and there'a probably a decent chance that they keep igga alive and hope that he just doesn't show up during the last round...

June 26, 2013
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white lancer

Bubba will likely be lynched within the next 2 or 3 day rounds. He won't be able to fly by on this. Especially with chief alive.

Yeah, the Mafia had a bit of an unlucky group, but that's no good excuse for our near-defeat. I feel like I could have been a much stronger player if I didn't make so many mistakes (not to mention ahem ahem ahem cough cough cough I guessed 5 people of potential power roles at the very beginning right after Day 1 and every single one was right), so I feel like I really let my team down. And white lancer's right. Mafia had it pretty good killing off so many of the strong power roles early in the game (and white lancer's hit at the Apprentice was a nice favor for us), it just wasn't taken advantage of in the right way.

Some people are better than others at this game. It's randomized with the hope that more experienced players who can read others very well, etc. have a fairly equal ratio town-sided and mafia-sided. I don't feel like the randomization worked especially well in the Mafia's favor. This game has been really depressing to watch as a dead member of the Mafia, but eh, it's a learning experience and that's what's important.

I don't think the Mafia got "unlucky" or anything like that. We were disadvantaged with the draw, but besides that, there's not much of an excuse for playing as... unwell as we did. We just didn't make wise choices some of the time. And there's no reason to blame anyone for that, as it's something we do as a group. Though, as I said, I will admit to rolling over in my grave at some of the things I've seen the Mafia do... (shifty)

While the Mafia might not have played well (being unlucky or lucky regardless), the Town played a very great game. To note, Zanic and The Bandit played extremely well; it's funny, Zanic's little victory resurrecting as the Lazarus and outing a Mafia member reminded me of white lancer's little victory over Yeano/MM9 last game (must run in the family {:P}). I was also very impressed by Yeano's strategy as the Cop, and while I'm not so particularly fond of the strategy LLight used, he still helped get 3 Mafia members that way.

GOOD JOB GUYS {y} etc.

June 26, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Well, everything seems to have come to a standstill...It's because I'm not there to liven it up.{:P}

June 26, 2013
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Zanic

Bubba just fucked up BAD! He threw suspicion on Jo, chief, 85, and PN for being veteran players, but this is only PN's second game. Also, PN is a guy! lol

No one has picked up on it yet, but PN final comment was sort of cryptic.

June 26, 2013
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Feral

Also, PN is a guy!

Are you sure? I thought I remembered hearing that PN was a girl.

June 27, 2013
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White Thunder

I have no Pirate since the original Gametalk. He is definatly a guy. He has joked about being a girl in the past, but he is a man.

June 27, 2013
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Feral

*known, not no.

June 27, 2013
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Feral

The amount of inactive players this game resulted in the boring threads I think. There should be a rule on this in the future.

June 27, 2013
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Zanic

I pretty much agree with everything you said there, Apollo. Clearly, the randomization didn't work out in the Mafia's favor, but your team really could have turned this around much sooner with better use of the Hooker and Assassin, particularly with the gifts you wound up having. I think the luck has roughly evened out since the beginning.

I'm not as optimistic that Bubba will be caught, though. He's done and said a lot of things that should have raised red flags, but either no one has picked up on them or they're keeping quiet about their suspicions for some reason. Chief is definitely the best chance the Town has--if he came in and pointed out that the list he posted a few rounds ago has gone 4/4 so far, he'll have a good chance to get Bubba taken out before the end of the game. Of course, PN was also on that list...

I don't think voting out #85 would be that stupid of a move for the Town, just because his logic makes no sense (how would acting suspicious make the Mafia more likely to kill you again? That only works that way if you're white lancer :( ). But he does have a very good point that he's consistently voted out Mafia members, which should count for something at this stage especially if he's voted for more than anyone else alive.

June 27, 2013
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white lancer

Bubba has voted for every single one of the Mafia members {:P}

June 27, 2013
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White Thunder

I think Bubba could last a couple more rounds. Chief is the only one that currently has him on their suspect list, and it seems the only reason for it was the amount of time he was active on the "People Online" list.

June 27, 2013
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Trever Leingod

Also, I want to point out to you guys that those 3 reasons I posted about being more active were legit {:P} When I play Mafia, I retain my townie-mindset and emulate that style as best I can. Mafia or not, I would have been more active. It's just hard posting stuff when we have so many players and out of them all, they just about say anything you could say otherwise, which leaves me nothing to say that hasn't been said already until the numbers thin down a bit.

June 27, 2013
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Trever Leingod

Not gonna play next game,. Have too many health concerns atm. Was fun playing this game this round on my first try.

June 27, 2013
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weid man

Bubba has a decent shot. 85's lynching looks pretty certain now. Bubba just needs to axe Chief tonight and hope that Jo and Yoshi elect to lynch PN over him tomorrow. So long as it plays out that way, and igga doesn't show up, he can kill Jo or Yoshi on night 11, force a tie on day 12, and end with a Mafia kill on Night 12.

June 27, 2013
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Feral

Even with the way things are looking right now, that's a pretty hefty order Feral.

June 27, 2013
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Zanic

Yeah, that's not happening. It won't take long for someone to take a look at bubba, especially if chief is killed tonight.

June 27, 2013
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The Bandit

I'm rolling over in my grave @ chief for using my strategy when it doesn't work when there's no one for the mafia to talk to for the observation.

Losing a lot of town sided power roles in the first few rounds was a big hit, moreso if I wasn't killed first round because that list would have tallied quite the conundrum if it appeared like it did in this here thread. It seems the list influenced most of the game, hmm... Bubba can still win though, but I'm surprised no one is picking up on his "I'm new to this" lines since he's claimed to have played mafia before in his first game (it was pre-game iirc). He's new to GT Mafia, but not mafia so he at least knows what he's doing.

June 28, 2013
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LLight

And there's chief's list. Good job, Pirate Ninja. That should earn a bonus point in itself.

June 28, 2013
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The Bandit

I know, right? It's the perfect defense. (hehe)

Heh. Jo seems so confident that #85 is guilty between this and his hasty vote at the very start of the round. It'll be fun to see his reaction once he finds out he's wrong again. {:P} Looks to me like he's just a little too focused on #85 to see anything else right now, which is a little surprising--I would have pegged him as maybe the strongest player left, but he's really off and he's played one of the weakest games this time around.

And yes, PN, please post that list of chief's. You know, Bandit and Zanic and a few others played good games, but I think chief might be the Town-sided MVP this time around--I don't know how much of it was luck and how much of it was skill, but pinpointing all 5 remaining Mafia members (plus an inactive Townie) is no mean feat...and he did it without LLight's activity shenanigans or Redack's OOG trickery. I do agree with Bandit that all it will take at this point is for someone to take one good, hard look at Bubba before they notice something is amiss--just looking at his posts this round, his last one comes off as defensive and an earlier one is a pretty obvious attempt to make as many people look suspicious as possible.

June 28, 2013
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white lancer

I agree that chief's instincts have been incredibly spot on. I just can't remember him committing to any action. It doesn't matter if you know every mafia member if you don't have the guts to pull the trigger.

I could be completely off point on that, though. This game has been going on for three weeks and I don't remember everything that happened. I hope, for his sake, White Thunder has been taking notes for player scores. It would be a horrible bitch to go back and read stuff.

June 28, 2013
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The Bandit

That's definitely a good point (and I obviously don't remember everything that's happened so far this game, either). I'm pretty sure chief has voted for most of those players, but I don't remember him leading the charge or anything--that mostly seemed to be what you were doing. I'm mostly hoping that he winds up leading a charge to get Bubba out.

June 28, 2013
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white lancer

I don't agree with 85 there. A mafia member wouldn't be as reckless to lead the charge right now. They SHOULD be looking at quiet players at this point in the game.

June 28, 2013
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Zanic

#85 sounds so desperate right now. I would think he's guilty too.

June 28, 2013
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The Bandit

It's one thing for your instincts to be on game, but it's another to be able to drive the game based on them, which chief seems to be severely lacking.

June 29, 2013
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LLight

I don't agree with 85 there. A mafia member wouldn't be as reckless to lead the charge right now. They SHOULD be looking at quiet players at this point in the game.

More true than not, which is funny since #85 said basically the same thing earlier in the round. Between the defensiveness, the contradictions, and the faulty logic, he's definitely looking the most suspicious right now and he's a major distraction for the Town.

June 29, 2013
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white lancer

Also, I've just noticed that pretty much everyone left (including Bubba, as Thunder pointed out) voted for Apollo/Shadow/weid/Castrael/Kyon/Trever. Which, thinking about it, isn't too surprising since basically 5/6 of those (all but Kyon) were confirmed Mafia before they went down. So yeah, that argument doesn't help #85 after all.

June 29, 2013
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white lancer

If #85 wants to save himself, he should look at when everyone voted for those people rather than who voted for those people. I'm pretty sure Bubba came along late more often than not.

June 29, 2013
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The Bandit

Now JN is onto something. The problem with this game is that there's so much inactivity, it's hard to separate the inactive people from the "trying to lay low" people.

June 29, 2013
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Zanic

Yeah, and I don't think Bubba showing up after he said that is going to help him much. Interesting vote for Pirate Ninja though. Dunno if it will help or not.

June 29, 2013
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The Bandit

Maybe he's thinking if it's a close vote the town will auto lynch Pirate next time? Pretty smart.

June 29, 2013
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The Bandit

Gotta admin, that's a brilliant closing move on Chief's part. Guarentees no innocents will be lynched today, and makes him a very dangerous Mafia target. His death would be a strong indicator of both 85 and Pirate's innocense, as both would be greatful for his sparing them and would target the one who led the charge against them.

I expect Jo to die tonight.

June 29, 2013
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Feral

This game is.. really..... really....... slow...........

June 29, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Very slow...

June 29, 2013
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Castrael

y no kill two straight times

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June 29, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

No kill this late in the game hurts.

June 29, 2013
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LLight

Bubba has already taken WAY to long to kill. Everybody knows that the normally active players like Chief, Jo, Yoshi, and PN would have been on by now. I suppose he could be trying to make it look like the last Mafia is inactive, but it's to late for that already. Igga is confirmed innosent becaue of his inactivity.

June 29, 2013
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Feral

Actually Bubba made his kill choice a while ago but requested the night round be extended until tonight.

June 30, 2013
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White Thunder

Damn...so Bubba is yonder Godfather?! And all this time I was damned sure it was #85...

June 30, 2013
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Black Yoshi

Looks like Bubba picked the wrong kill then {:P} But I don't blame ya, 85 is starting to seem guilty even to me, haha.

June 30, 2013
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White Thunder

Being the godfather is a non-issue at this point in time because there are no roles to identify it. It's basically only immune to cop scans and the cop is dead, soo... balls and such.

June 30, 2013
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LLight

Those sleepy Sundays...

June 30, 2013
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Feral

Yeah, 17 hours into the round and no one has posted? Yikes.

June 30, 2013
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white lancer

Seriously, this game is moving so slowly, even Sonicdave could keep up.

June 30, 2013
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Black Yoshi

Tried to get igga to post before he left for work, but probably won't be back until the AM. :(

June 30, 2013
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LLight

Let's go 36 hours with no posts in the main thread! Free kill for Bubba! Hasta La Vista, Jo!

July 1, 2013
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Feral

Jo Nathan has put a lot of effort in the game and I give him a lot of credit for that.

July 1, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Come on Jo, get #85.

July 1, 2013
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Castrael

He has too much time on his hands apparently {:P}

July 1, 2013
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White Thunder

Day 11:

Man, that Jo Nathan guy, he just keeps doing things that make you like him more. So if the mafia (Bubba, in this case) continue with their trademark killing of the people who stand out the most in their thought process, then Jo Nathan will probably die in the next night round if they get the lynch wrong during the day round.

July 1, 2013
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LLight

My decision to host kill igga would be totally irrelevant to his role. Whether or not he's Mafia has no bearing on it- I would make the decision either way. I think I'll leave it up to you guys, though. -- White Thunder

So are you basically offering them a chance to lynch twice this round?

July 1, 2013
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LLight

Still, the Town has to think carefully with this one. Ratio was 6-1 when I was still in it, so it's 5-1 now since we didn't lynch anyone last round. Two lynches this round (igga and the town's actual lynch decision) plus Bubba's kill tonight-round if he survives (which he probably will since the Town seems to be gunning for #85, and I would be right there with them if I were still alive) would leave them at 2-1 next round, and the last time I remember seeing a game get down to that wire was way the hell back in Game 2. At that point, a mislynch would be it for the Town.

My suggestion, were I still in it, would be for the Town to host-kill Igga and no-kill, leaving the ratio at 3-1 tomorrow-round and leaving the Town at least a slim chance of winning. Bubba's been doing a spectacular job thus far; at this rate he'll have this won before the weekend.

July 1, 2013
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Black Yoshi

So are you basically offering them a chance to lynch twice this round?

Uhh, more or less. I was gonna just do it anyway but chief raised an objection so I'm just gonna leave it up to them. If they express ambivalence I'll kill him.

July 2, 2013
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White Thunder

Jo Nathan has put a lot of effort in the game and I give him a lot of credit for that.

Indeed he has. It's too bad he's been wrong about almost everything this game.{:P} Which surprises me, actually--he's normally a better player. It looks like he fell into the classic trap of assuming someone (in this case, #85) is guilty and subconsciously interpreting the evidence to support that assumption.

At least he picked up on the two things that made me suspicious of Bubba while I was alive--the slip-up about the Vigilante kill and the speculation about Roxas being the Cop--but he seems to have discounted those. Makes me kick myself harder for not making my suspicions clear at the time, but I was worried about exposing myself as the Vig and not confident enough with my reading on him. The bigger shame is that he didn't continue his analysis into recent rounds, where I think Bubba has slipped up more.

The mere fact that Bubba is alive when someone who was arguably more suspicious (Yoshi) got taken out should be worrisome in itself. But meh, I'm just hoping for a miracle of insight at this point.

July 2, 2013
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white lancer

Yes. The fact that Jo is gunning for 85 is definitely not helping. Great theories, but many flaws. The town is making it too easy for Bubba.

July 2, 2013
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Zanic

The other thing that Jo's missing is that through those early rounds, Bubba's thoughts on the game are pretty hard to pin down. By contrast, chief, #85, and Jo himself weren't shy about naming specific suspicions and making waves. Bubba's is a classic UTR game that's working because it's easier to become suspicious over something that has happened than to be suspicious over something that hasn't.

July 2, 2013
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white lancer

Jo Nathan is working over time though to dig up the last Mafia. He has pointed out Bubba several times for various reasons - but then, nearly everyone still alive can look potentially guilty from all the things said by different in the way Jo Nathan is analyzing them. I can see why he has not pinned full blame on Bubba yet since we are getting peeks inside his train of thought.

July 2, 2013
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Trever Leingod

I'm pretty sure Bubba will live to see another day. 85 is lynched, and Jo is Mafia killed.

That will leave Bubba, Chief, PN, and igga. All he will have to do tomorrow is convince Chief to lynch PN over him, and he wins.

Bubba is truly a Mafia All*Star.

July 2, 2013
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Feral

Trever then makes a lengthy post. Too bad it had nothing incriminating against any of the remaining players. He just reaffirmed that he thinks two players are innocent (which they turned out to be) and then saying maybe Cas is guilty or maybe she's innocent. He really played it safe with that post, for sure. Should have been a clue, in hindsight.

Heck yeah, that was a clue. That's the post I mentioned before that I thought looked really incriminating.

So far, JN's analysis is being more frustrating than anything else for me. He points out several things about Bubba that should be red flags, but he's not seeing them the right way. It's just kinda funny how he uses Cas's comments about chief almost to suggest that chief is guilty but just glosses over her comment about Bubba. At least he pointed out that hezy was hell-bent about getting Bubba out--maybe he can connect the dots to hezy getting inexplicably taken out?

Oh, and this post that JN quoted:

This tells me that Castrael doubted her teammates and saw their only hope lied with the assassin. Conclusion, Castrael was either playing with very innactive players (Hindenburg, Kyon, etc), or not very experienced players. (Going by player scores, Kyon, Hindenburg, Pirate_Ninja). Then there is the possibility that a more experienced player is trying to hide behind the noobies/inactives.

EXACTLY what I was talking about in my last post with Bubba's style of play. JN calls it "food for thought," but it's a perfect example of Bubba saying something without really saying anything. "Hey, you know, it could be anybody" is not a very insightful point and he doesn't come down on the side of anything, basically only accomplishing spreading suspicion out onto as many players as possible. A solid smokescreen for a Mafia member, but really nothing more.

July 2, 2013
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white lancer

Lol @ JN calling out #85 for being defensive an completely missing the fact that BUBBA'S POST RIGHT ABOVE HIM WAS DEFENSIVE. I kinda feel bad for Jo right now knowing that he put all this time in and will almost certainly wind up only helping the Mafia win. :-/ We all have our off games, though.

He does make a good point that it would have been better to lynch yesterday than not to lynch. But then, yesterday igga looked like he was going to stay inactive, which woul have meant two mislynches = a loss anyway. At least the suspicion on chief means he's more likely to survive another night round, so he'll be able to claim Governor and (hopefully) remove himself as a suspect. Maybe once #85 goes down the Town will realize they're on the wrong track; I just hope they don't go for Pirate Ninja once they do.

July 2, 2013
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white lancer

We all have our off games, though.

Gosh, between this and the fiasco between me and him a few games ago, he's gonna be mad as all get out. He's usually a pretty good player, too.

July 2, 2013
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White Thunder

chief in the Governor thread:

"100% sure JN is the Godfather. Of the remaining players only 3 of us could have pulled this off. And I know my role. And #85 would never offered himself up if he were Mafia. The other are new to the game, doubt they could have done it."

Way to go Bubba you impressed chiefsonny and that's not easy {:P} And of course he's wrong so that makes it all the better.

July 2, 2013
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White Thunder

At least he pointed out that hezy was hell-bent about getting Bubba out--maybe he can connect the dots to hezy getting inexplicably taken out?

Hezy was not killed because of Bubba, that was actually my call. Hezy can be a guy that falls off the grid but then returns as a real thorn in your side near the end, so I voted him off.

July 2, 2013
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Trever Leingod

This must be what it was like to watch the town kill itself (coughSPEEDBIKEPROcough) in 17.2.

July 2, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Can't wait for chief to save himself and have 3 no kills in a row. This game is dragging on so darn long.

July 2, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Classic Thunderville police. I tell ya. {;)}

July 2, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Good folks, them.

July 2, 2013
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White Thunder

It seems what I said is coming back to haunt the town. I wish I could take that back.{:/}

July 2, 2013
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Zanic

They voted off chief, really? Even after he posted a list with basically all of the Mafia members on it? Wow. I could definitely understand them going for #85, but targeting chie makes no sense to me. Screws up what I said about the Governor being around at the end. :P Stick a fork in the Town--we'be done ourselves in by a pretty poor showing all around (aside from a very few standout players who are dead already).

July 2, 2013
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white lancer

I think I spoke too soon when I said the Town would almost positively win this. I guess I was so caught up with a Mafia member being lynched so many days in a row without a mislynch.

I still think the Town has a better chance at winning, but...

July 2, 2013
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Apollo Justice

The Mafia had really bad luck for a few rounds, yes, but only because some people were being overly obvious about their guilt. I probably would have lasted awhile longer if Zanic hadn't worked his magic {:P} Bubba could win this but I think that's unlikely. If he does win, he deserves some pretty big player points for pulling off an excellent game.

July 2, 2013
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Trever Leingod

If he does win, he deserves some pretty big player points for pulling off an excellent game.

He's getting 1 at the minimum right now. Probably 2 and if he wins out very possibly 3.

July 2, 2013
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White Thunder

Also chief will be joining in a few hours. Bubba keeps asking me to delay the day round beginning for a few hours. I dunno why but it doesn't bother me so whatever.

July 2, 2013
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White Thunder

He might want to delay the round at the risk of living players checking the active users list, or something of the sort. I know I was concerned about that last game.

I'm impressed by his performance as the only Mafia member alive. He's pulling off the low-key playing quite nicely. He's mah Mafia-sided MVP this game.

July 2, 2013
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Apollo Justice

As long as Bubba isn't lynched in the upcoming round and igga doesn't return, Bubba has already won.

July 3, 2013
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Feral

It's really frustrating that the mafia are going to win after playing so terribly for so long. Obviously, Bubba and Trever played excellent until it got down to the last two, but before that they didn't seem to do anything correctly.

July 3, 2013
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The Bandit

*once it got down

July 3, 2013
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The Bandit

It's a marker of an...interesting game that most of the players on both sides aren't thrilled with the way their team as a whole played. Really, none of the Mafia apart from Bubba have played all that great of a game, although at least Trever managed to evade suspicion for a while until Zanic sniffed him out. Even Bubba has made a few slip-ups that someone should have picked up on, but so far it appears that he's managed to avoid intense scrutiny by being active but not too active, so kudos to him for sure.

On the Town side, only Bandit and Zanic really stand out in my mind as having played good games, though of course I'm probably forgetting some moments. Chief had the instincts and at least voted accordingly, but as far as I can recall, he wasn't the driving force behind those lynches and when he was going to have to be, he backed off. Even most of our so-called 'power players' had off games (including myself):

Yeano played fine, although in retrospect (and by 'retrospect' I mean 'when I realized the Hooker was in the game') it wasn't a good move to come out as the Cop so early (and I and a few others share some blame for this). I also thought he probably shouldn't have just gone straight down Shadow's list since it seemed like the Town was going to do that anyway, but I give him a pass on that since he probably assumed any sane Mafia would take him out before that second investigation anyway.

Roxas got better (even if he was mostly pointing out the obvious by the end), but he had a rough start with his mostly unfounded crusade against #85, which is haunting the Town now.

Redack identified Castrael AGAIN and had a hand in taking out weid man, so his game wasn't a bad one. Apart from that, I don't really remember him doing anything.

MM9 seemed mostly to be on Yeano's case, even after Yeano claimed Cop.

All I remember Dooku doing is suggesting we follow LLight's list.

Bottom line is that as poorly as the Mafia played a lot of this game, the Town hasn't really done any better. That's what's equalized this game.

July 3, 2013
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white lancer

I agree that it's probably more the town's failure than Bubba's success that he's not dead right now. I just didn't want to take anything away from him, because, if he does win, it is quite an achievement. He's really done nothing for the town the entire game except defend people who turned out to be mafia, yet no one is even remotely suspicious of him because... ????? It's a huge mistake to just say "This player isn't any good or isn't experienced, so he can't be mafia." Look at how well Apollo played last game.

Not trying to sound like I'm upset or angry with the remaining townies or anything. It's just a game. I'm just making some observations.

July 3, 2013
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The Bandit

I'd just like to point out that I didn't really play good or bad because I didn't have much of a chance to play at all due to my sudden leave of absence last month. I guess my faking my own silencing was a mistake, though.

July 3, 2013
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Feral

Welcome chief. Not too surprised to see you here.

July 3, 2013
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White Thunder

Oh, I agree with you pretty much completely, Bandit. It's really not easy to pull off a victory as the last Mafia member--I don't think it's happened since all the way back in Game 2 (though MM9 came really close a couple of games ago when Feral and CtR ignored me handing him to them on a silver platter {:P}). Usually, that's because once you get down to that point, everyone will be scrutinizing every post of yours and it's really hard to get away with even the minor slipups (probably the one hope to get Bubba is if we wind up in that pressure situation, because everyone's already discounted him for some reason).

Chief's statement is really strange to me, because personally, I don't think that making it to this point is all that impressive as all Bubba's really done so far is outlast fellow Mafia members, most of whom were basically confirmed guilty anyway. If he managed to win, that would be impressive to me, but there's really no cause to say that 'only an experienced player could do this.' Besides, oftentimes it's easier to make it far as Mafia when you haven't played as much because people don't know how you play normally and have no basis of comparison. And yes, Apollo played fantastic last game despite being new, so it's not like we haven't had examples of that.

I'd just like to point out that I didn't really play good or bad because I didn't have much of a chance to play at all due to my sudden leave of absence last month. I guess my faking my own silencing was a mistake, though.

Heh. Well, I'm going to blame my lack of focus in the early rounds on me being in the midst of starting a new job/moving out/watching the French Open, but it doesn't change the fact that it was probably my worst game (or at least the worst game I actually survived long enough to play much).

July 3, 2013
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white lancer

*grins at the part where Mafia may have the chance to win. May.

I knew Chief had to be the Governor. I don't know who else did, but there was something off.

And I agree with there Bandit. Even when the players say; "Oh, Castrael's quiet she must be Mafia." Or, "Castrael's usually talking. Or, I'm killed in the beginning of the game.

July 3, 2013
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Castrael

Well what I caught pretty early about Bubba was his claimed innocence on the mafia game because people think he's new when he's not. He claimed to have played mafia before in his earlier games, just not on GT so he's not as innocent as he says. I found other little discrepancies from his OOG patterns and if I lasted another day round, he would have surely made the list.

July 3, 2013
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LLight

You can't vote for someone right off the bat and then immediately start to provide reasoning for why another user is guilty. There is only 1 mafia-sided role left, what are you doing #85

July 3, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Yep, #85 comes out swinging and makes himself look even more suspicious than before. Definitely won't blame them if they vote him out...although hopefully they'll at least consider analyzing Bubba this time around.

July 3, 2013
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white lancer

The evidence he's using against Jo Nathan is also the exact same thing he tried to do for Castrael, if I'm not mistaken. #85 really should be dead. I know he's innocent and even I want to vote for him.

I don't really understand where the last minute chief lynch even came from, to be honest. I'm kind of convinced the remaining players know Bubba is guilty and they're just fucking with us.

July 3, 2013
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The Bandit

It's just uncanny how every single player in the game straight up ignores Bubba. I mean, do they really just not remember that there are five people left?

Ironically, I really could see the thing that does Bubba in being the fact that they just don't find him suspicious at all. If he wasn't Mafia, he'd be by far the best night kill target during this next round since no one suspects him, so hopefully it'll raise some flags once he is forced to take out a more suspicious or less active player.

July 3, 2013
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white lancer

^That is, of course, assuming igga shows up to vote in the last round. Which I really hope he does. Even if he shows up and votes for the wrong person, it'd be a much less lame way to end the game than the alternative.

July 3, 2013
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white lancer

Bubba is playing really well for the last remaining mafia member, that's why no one is suspecting him. Jo Nathan has made the folly of being fixated on a single person and is unable to determine a proper argument for this justification other than his own gut feeling, which just happens to be wrong.

July 3, 2013
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LLight

I expect Bubba to take out igga tonight as he's the only other one they're not looking at.

July 3, 2013
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White Thunder

Honestly, that would be a bad move. Bubba needs the inactive player alive during the last day to force the tie and allow him to Mafia kill the last person. Hopefully, #85 gets the lynch today, and he can kill either Jo or PN tonight. That way, so long as Bubba vtes for either igga or the active Mafia, there wouldn't be enough active townies left the next day to lynch Bubba, even if he confessed to being Mafia.

July 3, 2013
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Feral

{fp}

Notes to Self:

Stop taking new players so lightly. And remember they may be playing this game somewhere else.

Start paying more attention to what LLight is posting, regardless of how much it makes your hair hurt {:P}

Once a game reaches day 8 and I'm still alive. Find a way to Lynch myself.

July 3, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

Wow. 85 and Jo are too busy going at each others' throats. In a game of mafia, especially this late in the game, you have to pay attention to everyone. Their minds seem to be set already. Very unfortunate.{:?}

July 3, 2013
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Zanic

What's happening to Jo Nathan and #85 right now is what Apollo planned for MajorasMask9 and Yeano before she died, so essentially her strategy. He's basically letting the two townies duke it out while he sits on the sideline, egging them on (and believe me, not our egg because our egg is dead). :(

That strategy wastes a town lynch and essentially nets the mafia side +2 kills into the next day round. Well played, but not sure if intentional or if Bubba is just rolling with it. Actually, it's more likely that he's just rolling with it on instinct.

July 3, 2013
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LLight

Killing igga probably would be bad, but I really don't think it matters at this point. Every one is thoroughly convinced that they're in the right and I don't see it changing.

But, the chief lynch sort of came out of nowhere, so maybe I'm wrong.

July 4, 2013
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The Bandit

Well if they mislynch today, the game is over anyway. It doesn't matter who Bubba kills tonight.

July 4, 2013
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Zanic

Chief, pat yourself on the back for actually listing all the remaining Mafia on a list {:P}

Despite people turning a blind-eye to Bubba most of the game, that bit of evidence #85 turned on him might be the nail in the coffin for the Mafia.

July 4, 2013
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Trever Leingod

Let's just hope JN looks at it the same way. If he votes for Bubba too, it may convince igga and PN to do the same.

July 4, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

GO #85 GO! Finally someone's seen through Bubba's game...

July 4, 2013
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Black Yoshi

Those were some really good points brought up by 85. Glad to see someone putting pressure on Bubba for once.

July 4, 2013
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Zanic

Wow, out of nowhere for #85. At least SOMEONE has been paying attention to Bubba. Now we just have to hope that JN and PN are willing to consider the possibility.

July 4, 2013
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white lancer

#85, our savior.

Even if we lose now, I will at least be glad that Bubba didn't secure it easily.

July 4, 2013
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The Bandit

#85 is still in a bad predicament though, the town looks like they're about to bandwagon lynch him.

July 4, 2013
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LLight

So far the only vote cast against #85 was retracted, so only Bubba has a vote on him still. Things could swing either way, but it doesn't look too good for Bubba.

July 4, 2013
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Trever Leingod

If they follow #85's example...

July 4, 2013
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Castrael

Even if JN is pretty confident that 85 is mafia, he at least has to hear him out.

Poor JN has to read all of our comments here where we just tear him to pieces. {:P}

July 4, 2013
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Zanic

PN posted in another forum that he would be on vacation all this week. That could hurt the town especially if 15Dayigga stays true to form.

July 4, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

Bubba's response would immediately put him on my radar. It sounds so guilty. Probably his biggest mistake since it got down to just him.

July 5, 2013
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The Bandit

Oh, look, they seem to have not taken the accusation seriously. I'm sorry, but it feels like they really should realize that it makes little sense for a Mafia in #85's position to try to redirect the votes onto the person everyone else suspects the least. Plus Bubba's sudden swing from 'PN is guilty' to '#85 is guilty'--HELLO! Are they even paying attention?

Also, I question the wisdom of tying the votes up this late into the round. But that's the least of this town's problems. {fp}

July 5, 2013
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white lancer

This game would be so much less frustrating if there was evidence that the remaining Townies (excluding #85) were actually willing to consider the possibility of Bubba being guilty. I'd much rather they be wrong even after considering all possibilities than be wrong because they discounted one possibility...besides, as good of a game Bubba has played over the past couple of rounds, I do think there's a wealth of evidence against him from the past few rounds (the flip-flopping, the defensiveness, the attempt to make everyone else look suspicious) and that the remaining Townie will feel very foolish for barely considering him once the game ends.

July 5, 2013
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white lancer

I think the only players taking the time to read what's being posted now is Bubba. Seems like JN is off his game this round because normally he's a great player.

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chiefsonny
 

As things stand, not only does Bubba have the night kill tonight, but he also has the pick of the lynch since it's a three way tie, and he is the only one who hasn't voted yet. They also don't realize that Bubba can end this tonight as long as Igga stays away.

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Feral

Since the town has fallen apart and it's all but in the bag.
I wanted to be the first to congratulate the Mafia on their win. Great job Bubba.

July 5, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

Wow, didn't think I'd see this coming...

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Castrael

Bubba just posted this

What time does this round end?


If that doesn't wake these guys up nothing will.

July 5, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

Guess he is getting a bit overconfident.

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Feral

Oh, man! 85 changed his vote to cause a tie. Watch for Bubba to change his vote at the last second to Jo. Will certainly give him away, but won't matter at that point.

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Feral

Spoke too soon on that one, Feral. Looks like igga is sticking around, meaning Bubba will have a tough choice between taking out PN and igga tonight. Obviously he'll keep #85 as his potential scapegoat, but it'll depend on which one of igga and PN he thinks is more likely to vote for #85 over him.

July 5, 2013
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white lancer

The town is being pretty darn blind right now with Bubba (minus #85). They're basically treating him like the invisible man.

July 5, 2013
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Trever Leingod

Welcome Jo Nathan. You will not be too pleased to see who the remaining Mafia member is.

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White Thunder

Also I think you guys are able to see Bubba's "suspiciousness" so clearly only because you know that he's Mafia. I think it's much harder from the town's perspective and I don't think he's acted particularly more suspicious than PN or #85.

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White Thunder

I can't believe this. Literally wat.

Hi, Jo.

July 5, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Well I'm pleased that I had him as mafia from the start. Unfortunate that I couldn't track down the posts that made me suspicious of him initially (after looking back again now, it was stuff he said on Day 1, NOT the lament about LLight's death on Day 2).

July 5, 2013
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hezekiah

What a miraculous win. Bubba deserves some major points for pulling this off.

July 5, 2013
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Trever Leingod

Don't count your chickens before they hatch {:P}

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White Thunder

I think there may be a fox in the hen house. A Bubba fox.

July 5, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

Uh I don't think the town can win unless Bubba doesn't kill someone tonight xP

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Trever Leingod

Uh I don't think the town can win unless Bubba doesn't kill someone tonight xP

Ratio will be 2-1 tomorrow (if I'm correct), so if the remaining 2 people vote for Bubba then he's done for.

Game definitely isn't won. It could go either way pretty easily.

July 6, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Also I think you guys are able to see Bubba's "suspiciousness" so clearly only because you know that he's Mafia. I think it's much harder from the town's perspective and I don't think he's acted particularly more suspicious than PN or #85.

I'm not saying I would have voted for Bubba. I think I made it pretty clear I would have offed #85 at the first opportunity. I am saying that I would have never, ever killed chiefsonny and I would have never, ever ignored Bubba to the degree that the town ignored him. Bubba almost slipped by and won the game without anyone even discussing his existence.

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The Bandit

Also I think you guys are able to see Bubba's "suspiciousness" so clearly only because you know that he's Mafia. I think it's much harder from the town's perspective and I don't think he's acted particularly more suspicious than PN or #85.

Like I said, it's not so much that they can't see that Bubba is guilty as that they don't seem to be considering the possibility at all that drives me crazy. #85 brings up this suspicion in the last round and neither Jo nor Pirate so much as comment on it, and when Jo was going through with his examination of past rounds it was uncanny how he managed to make excuses for most of Bubba's suspicious behavior while not doing so for the innocent players.

Also, I do believe several of us found Bubba suspicious even while we were alive. Personally, while #85 has definitely acted suspicious at many parts of this game, there are two things to consider: 1) #85 always, ALWAYS seems suspicious, along with a few other players like Black Yoshi (although forgetting this is forgivable since it's his first game in a while); 2) #85 has done a number of things that simply don't make any sense from a Mafia perspective while everything Bubba has done works quite well if you think he's suspicious. I wouldn't blame people for voting out #85, but there's no good reason to focus on him and ignore players like Bubba.

PN really hasn't acted all that suspicious at all IMO, and the chief vote still doesn't make any sense at all to me. Part of that could certainly be due to me being in this thread observing, of course. More frustrating is that whatever little things that could indicate suspicion of them and #85 have been nitpicked, while the suspicious parts about Bubba's game (almost every post of his in the last couple of days has been defensive or focused on spreading out suspicion to as many players as possible...or a sudden flip-flop like his jump to vote against PN a few days back when all he'd been doing previously was voice suspicion of #85).

But yeah, it's true that it is a lot easier to see suspicion when you already know it should be there, and I think a lot of games have ended with dead Townies ragging on their teammates from this thread. {:P} Everyone has their off games, and it's not fun at all to be the one in the pressure situation and to get it wrong. In that sense I'm fortunate that I get killed early most games, cause I don't have to deal with this very often. :D

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white lancer

And Bandit slips in and says most of what I just said, but much more succinctly. {:P}

July 6, 2013
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white lancer

361 replies? Good God, I am not reading all that. {:P}

I am never playing aggressively again. That was embarrassing.

July 6, 2013
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Jo Nathan

No no, it's okay. I keep telling myself to remember game 17.2 before curling into a fetal position and rocking back and forth thinking about game 18.

But really, that wasn't embarrassing. You put a lot of effort into what you did and you kept up with the game. A lot of players barely looked twice at this game.

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Apollo Justice

I didn't suspect Bubba at all while I was alive, so I have no clue what I would've thought up to this point. But I know I wouldn't be ignoring him.

July 6, 2013
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Zanic

Thanks Apollo. Well at any rate, I look forward to watching how the last round will unfold. And I'm soooo thankful I'm not one of the final round deciders.

July 6, 2013
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Jo Nathan

I was trying to take everyone into account, because even an innocent person who had a lot to say will give more suspicious "evidence" than a guilty person who stays quiet.

I didn't rule Bubba out, but my gut wouldn't have led me to lynch him before Pirate. Hopefully the remaining townies have more sense than I did.

July 6, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Welcome igga. No way you woulda been killed if you hadn't showed up at the end of the round there. But you were easily least suspicious of the 3 remaining townies, so it made sense.

July 6, 2013
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White Thunder

Ahem... This is for White Thunder, I.. I hope you forgive me after the whole will incident...



that is not a fake it is a certified document

July 6, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Hrm. Well, I definitely understand the igga kill. Would have been a tough choice in my view, just because I feel Pirate is probably a bit more alert and thus more likely to decide to go for Bubba. Also, hopefully, #85 isn't going to go for Pirate anyway, so the odds would be roughly the same. But meh, there's no guarantee that #85 doesn't start thinking that the Jo lynch makes Pirate look suspicious again, so I think that nightkill was pretty much a wash.

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white lancer

It's alright Jo. We all have our off games. Plus Bubba did happen to play a good under the radar game. I might have done the same thing had I been in your position.

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Zanic

If Game 2 is any indication, I feel like Bubba's got this thing won. If I recall, Game 2 ended with, I think, Chief (vigilante), Shadowwalked (townie), and lancer (mafia) duking it out in the main thread, with Lancer winning only because he convinced Chief to vote Shadowwalked despite Shadow's conviction that lancer was the last Mafia. It will take a lot of persuasion on #85's part to convince himself and to convince PN to vote Bubba -- PN has been dead-set on #85 the whole game, and #85 himself, despite suspicion of Bubba, seems hesitant this time around, which is completely understandable given the ratio.

July 6, 2013
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Black Yoshi

It's basically Pirate vs Bubba at this point, and both of them are newer players. Will be interesting...

July 6, 2013
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Jo Nathan

I think Bubba not voting for Jo yesterday might be what sways PN. Certainly today he seems more guilty than 85. But we'll see.

I.. I hope you forgive me after the whole will incident...

An OFFICIAL seal of approval? I couldn't ask for anything more. Sorry for the gruesome death.

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White Thunder

PN is smart, yeah, but he's been way too cautious this game, so I'm not sure if he can pull it off. His reasoning seems like it could be pivotal to any last minute decisions, but the timing between replies will hurt him if he's not active enough during this round. He should be back today, iirc, so maybe... Bubba also said a few things OOG that made me suspicious of him during the first day round along with his browsing patterns during the night so I don't think my observations of him were swayed once Apollo spoiled everything when she died. {>:(}

Just kidding. You da best, beats the rest.

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LLight

If Game 2 is any indication, I feel like Bubba's got this thing won. If I recall, Game 2 ended with, I think, Chief (vigilante), Shadowwalked (townie), and lancer (mafia) duking it out in the main thread, with Lancer winning only because he convinced Chief to vote Shadowwalked despite Shadow's conviction that lancer was the last Mafia. It will take a lot of persuasion on #85's part to convince himself and to convince PN to vote Bubba -- PN has been dead-set on #85 the whole game, and #85 himself, despite suspicion of Bubba, seems hesitant this time around, which is completely understandable given the ratio.

Heh. Well, in that game, Shadow knew I was the last Mafia because we both knew chief was the Vigilante at that point, so he didn't have to worry about choosing between two options. Much tougher at 2-1 to go with your gut when there are two good possibilities, and I don't envy PN's choice here especially since the two of them are probably pretty even from his perspective. I'm hoping he realizes that there's a very good reason #85's made it this far--as a scapegoat--whereas Bubba's survival is a bit less explainable. But it'll be a close one. I've just gotta give #85 props for sticking to his guns and realizing something didn't quite add up despite his earlier suspicions of Pirate. Also, lol at #85's Day 1 joke coming back to haunt him here--bet he didn't expect to be in this position right now. {:P}

Also, I feel the need to point out that I'm pretty sure chief had a good idea that I was the last Mafia back in Game 2--Shadow was drunk and angry and did a better job of convincing chief to lynch him than I ever could (although I think we would have won that game earlier anyway had someone not violated their silencing...). ;)

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white lancer

And the entire game comes down to a single vote. Poor PN, it's entirely in his hands.(cry)

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Feral

I've been in his position in RL games before (also in the Halloween game here), so I know how he feels. I've also gotten it wrong before, even when I had the evidence I needed to get it right (second-guessing kills!). Not the most fun position, but if you do happen to be right, it's quite a thrill!

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white lancer

If Bubba can make a post using my name in order to save his butt, then I think White Thunder should make a post the the same thread saying this.

"chiefsonny has sent me a message from the grave saying he does not share your views"

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chiefsonny
 

Oh, forgot to add this at the end of my post
{:P}

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chiefsonny
 

I cast this vote in the name of Roxas, Jo Nathan, Chiefsonny, Zanic, and anyone else who who voiced their suspicion of #85 with their dying breath. May the Town find peace.

Bubba Voted for #85

Please, someone catch this emotional manipulative trait.

July 6, 2013
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LLight

Hahaha sorry chief. No can do. Remember that you're dead (duck)

July 7, 2013
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White Thunder

I've been in his position in RL games before (also in the Halloween game here), so I know how he feels.

And that was all my fault for saying I had a candy of invincibility. {:P}

July 7, 2013
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Zanic

Oh man, Pirate. I hope #85 is looking especially guilty in those eyes of yours....

July 7, 2013
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Apollo Justice

An OFFICIAL seal of approval? I couldn't ask for anything more. Sorry for the gruesome death.

As official as they come. And it's okay. All is forgiven in the land of the dead...~

July 7, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Please, someone catch this emotional manipulative trait.

Yeah, that's definitely over doing it.

Come on Pirate! We BELIEVE IN YOU

July 7, 2013
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The Bandit

IT'S OVER! MAFIA FUCKING WON!

Biggest comeback in Mafia history! Huge kudos to Bubba for being the best Mafia ever.

Also, major props to #85 for a truly stellar game. He just couldn't get people to see the truth in the end.

July 7, 2013
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Feral

ugh that is so terribly shitty

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The Bandit

I am... shocked, to say the least.

I just didn't expect this at all. I don't know why I was so incredibly convinced the Town would win. I just... I can assume this has never happened before.

Great work, Bubba. You really took everyone for a spin. I didn't expect such a fabulous turn out for the Mafia, but you single-handedly brought it in the second half of the game. You kick butt and deserve a lot of credit for sticking it out like this.

July 7, 2013
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Apollo Justice

NO! BAD PN! DO NOT VOTE #85! DO YOU HEAR ME?! Oh wait...no one can hear you scream from beneath six feet of dirt and a satin-lined coffin lid, can they?

July 7, 2013
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Black Yoshi

I enjoyed 17.2 even though I ruined the town because at least I was playing an active role. But man, it kinda sucks farts through a crazy straw when you watch it from an outside perspective.

RIP town and a well played game, mafia. {:D}

July 7, 2013
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