Mafia

What's up guys I'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse

We aren't going to get one first round but I think LLight should definatley be first, with rockas up their too.

We'll have to see how the game goes before I make any decisions...

Indeed. We will have to see.

Looks like LLight is almost purposely drawing attention to himself. Could it be because he is the doctor? Or he's starting drama so we keep him around?

I'm trying to think of a way to generate enough suspicion on me to get the cop to check me but not get a mob of voters to.

It might actually be beneficial if you silenced one of us the first round, Yoshi. It would help the person to keep a low profile while having a legitimate excuse to do so, and they might be less suspicious of someone a Mafia member silenced.

Be careful with that, #85. We have a very skittish and trigger-happy group of players, and we like bandwagon votes. Besides, they know that there's a Godfather out there, so if the Cop survives long enough they'll start looking at every little suspicious thing to differentiate all of the supposedly "innocent" townspeople.

Haha nice lancer. If we can get them to take one out that would be good. Maybe we can get them to vote for CtR black

I actually voiced similar sentiments last game when I was Vigilante. I do think it's a good idea to get some discussion going on the first day if you're a Townie (and every day) because it's tougher for the Mafia to sound like they're trying to figure stuff out than it is for the Town. I'm hoping to seem consistent with my actions from last game, but maybe we can subtly steer the vote toward a non-Mafioso.

It's a risky strategy for sure. I may be playing a bit too aggressively, but I'm hoping I'll be able to play it off. At the very least, it'll make you look good if they catch me, since you already voiced suspicions of me.

Let's take LLight out. He didnt accuse any of us so they won't learn anything. Plus he could find another way to cheat and figure us out lol

At least we got the town out for blood now.

Well, I've been silent because I've got a busy schedule this weekend. :( I was going to post that, but my name came up as a random number... so it looks like I won't be staying in this game for very long if they go with the random number.

In which case, I vote Llight.

I'm iffy on taking LLight out. He definitely helped us stir the town up and I'm not convinced he's any sort of special role just yet. I'd rather try shooting for the Cop, who is probably (though not definitely) one of the quieter members. Not sure who that is, but I'd rather vote Xhin out.

Though my vote is futile since #85's vote is the tiebreaker. XD

Vote for LLight,

I want us to be united though, we can take Xhin out next, unless something else goes down. Roxas was another I wanted to go after but now I think keep em around.

As you will, Godfather. Guess we're just waiting for Yoshi to silence someone?

I've got finals this next week, so I wouldn't mind being silenced for a few days.

Sorry -- I've been traveling with my college Wind Orchestra and haven't been able to get on here until now.

For the kill, my vote goes to LLight, since voting otherwise would be pointless.

For the silence, I think it'll be lancer, just to throw the town off of our trail a bit.

Anyway, I may not be able to get on here that much until Friday, since on this tour we're staying with host families and I have no idea if they'll have wifi or not; our tour bus actually does, but my laptop battery is shit and it probably won't last more than an hour, if I'm lucky.

They are onto us

I think LLight should be silenced next round.

I think Hezekiah is the cop and checked you, lancer. Since he accused you.

Not a good move to vote for me bro, it is 3 votes for Xhin and 1 vote for me (now 2) now the mob mentality gonna get me

It's possible. I also was playing a bit openly so it wouldn't be a surprise if he just figured it out. Still, we might want to take Hezekiah out just in case, since we don't have any other leads for the Cop.

I voted for you, #85, just to distance myself from you in case you do get lynched. I'm already drawing a bit of suspicion and I don't want to be seen as protecting the Godfather. It's probably not necessary for Yoshi/Helius to vote against you just yet, though, since you haven't been suspicious.

Well yoshi or helius should vote for Xhin, back me up

My arguments are so reasonable I'm convincing myself I'm not mafia, hope they don't continue to be sheep

And you could have just as easily lobbied for a no vote instead of throwing me under the bus lol

That would have looked even more suspicious after going against the No Vote idea last time, haha. And I think it would be good for either Yoshi or Helius to vote for Xhin ASAP, to try to swing the momentum of votes that direction.

Helius saves the day

Yeah, but now I'm a target. Lol.

Not a big one though I'll still carry good suspicion for a while if I survive somehow

Xhin is certainly playing this game strangely. I wonder if he's intentionally placing himself as a vote target so that the Mafia won't kill him. Could be he's a special role of some sort...or he could be nothing.

Another possibility of the cop : feral. He is kind of going to bat for me which leads to the possibilty he checked me and saw I was innocent.

Taking out feral or Hezekiah would still keep the heat on Xhin

And I am thinking LLight may be the doctor.

Well, what we could do to find out if Llight is the doc is try to vote for him at a later date.

We could take out Feral and there would be no doc.

Don't lynch me bro

Apparently Xhin was the doctor. Nice break for us, getting him lynched.

I would rather take out Feral than Hezekiah next, since Hezekiah has already identified me. I'm not really sure who the Cop is, but Feral is as good of a guess as any so my vote goes to him.

Yeah I'm down for that, I'm mind blown we got the doctor lol. And since Roxas pointed him out first and knuckles is being nutty it's looking good for us.

Vote for feral

Based on what very little information I've managed to obtain since I've been on tour (which is practically none, save for that Xhin was the Doctor and we think that Feral's the Cop), I'm going to hit two birds with one stone:

Kill Feral

Silence hezekiah -- if not a full kill, that should at least bide us some time, since he knows that 85 has some role in the Mafia...

...sorry if I'm babbling a bit, it's been a LOOOOOONG day...

Kill Feral

I'll go with it. I think hezekiah is a good choice for silence.

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O lawd how am I gonna survive this round

Silencing LLight or Roxas this next round might be a good idea. Not sure we need to take Roxas out right away though--killing the Cop is our top priority. And unless he was trying to bait me, he's not the Vigilante anyway.

Majora is almost certainly not the Cop, because he probably would have checked Knuckles. Shadowwalked, Roxas, and chiefsonny have all made calls for the Cop to reveal himself. Assuming they're not just trying to play us (which they very well might be), that leaves us with four possibilities:

8. Knukles2000
9. BCB
13. LLight
14. CtR Black
15. hezekiah

Out of those five, based on how they've been playing, I think BCB or hezekiah are most likely to be the Cop. Note that neither they nor LLight have spoken up yet this round, so they wouldn't have had a chance to reveal themselves (though hezekiah is silenced, of course). Knukles is very suspicious of #85, as he was last round, which leads me to believe that he's not the Cop since he probably would have checked #85 and found out that he was "Innocent."

Well, there is a good chance that you'll survive this round #85. Seem apologetic, and certainly distraught by the loss of Xhin. It's possible they could vote off one of us; however, one the things we need to point out is that this could have happened in one the last rounds.

If we all act like townies (which isn't hard) and ourselves, we should be able to weather this storm of accusations.

Yeah I may have made it in the clique for now

I think unless we get lucky on the cop, we are going to lose unless one of us claims to be the cop. If the cop can identify 3 of us it's game over. And he probably has at least one

Silence BCB next time, kill Hezekiah?

That's what I was thinking, #85. And hope really hard that Shadow/Roxas/chief aren't playing us. I could definitely see Shadow and maybe Roxas as the Cop despite them asking the Cop to reveal themselves.

It does seem weird to silence BCB since he's barely said anything anyway. If he's the Cop, it's a tough break for the town since he's been very busy. Edit: I just glanced over the first post and he said he was going to be gone from Friday-Sunday night, so if this round doesn't take too long, we might not have to silence him. Also, if he IS the Cop, then we'll have to wait for him to make his check during the night anyway. It's a risk, but unless we really think BCB could be the Cop we might want to silence Shadow instead.

I suppose CtR could also be the Cop. I don't get that vibe from him from the first post, but we can't rule it out completely. He did defend #85.

Step 1 : town lynches knuckles

Step 2 : no blood on my hands because I voted no vote

Step 3 : ????

Step 4 : profit

And Allright I agree BCB isn't talking a lot, and he hasnt even been active in his sports forum, but I still think Hezekiah has a decent shot at cop and we should kill him.

If one of us pretended to be the cop, it would be a sacrifice. But if we are going to do it, we have to do it before the real cop, as the first to admit to being a cop is more believable one. The timing for this is key, if right we can win, do we do it day 4 or 5?We need to talk over who the fake cop would peg as an innocent townie and who they would peg as mafia, as we only get one kill out of it.

I kinda like the votes for Hezekiah. Probably too suspicious for any of us to jump on that right now, though, especially since Helius is already tainted with being a bandwagon-jumper.

I'm still hoping we can kill the Cop before any of us have to claim it. We should hold off on that for now. And I don't think I would be a good candidate for that role since I've already confessed to being a Townie.

Well, I broke the bandwagon-jumper by voting for 'Roxas'. Even wrote up an angry reply. :) I do work an awful lot, and most of what I said is true... but I'm not that entirely angry about what was said.

Though... spite's not an entirely good reason to vote for someone.

CtR is most likely not the Cop, after his accusation of Roxas and Knukles. Knukles will probably get lynched this round, and we'll probably kill hezekiah tonight, so that'll leave us with these guys as our most likely Cops (assuming neither of them is the Cop):

BCB
LLight

With these guys being possible:

Roxas
chiefsonny
Shadowwalked

Another thing to throw out there: Roxas seems VERY convinced that Knukles isn't Mafia. Doesn't mean he's the Cop (and I don't think he'd be so willing to throw his life away even if he were), but it's something to think about.

Getting the vigilante out wouldn't be too bad either. Its actually just as important as the cop because we can lose 2 in one night. I think chief is a possibility because every round he wants to wait for the cop and see what he has to say.

In case I can't get on during the night round... I'm casting my vote early for

Hezekiah

The Vigilante is important, no doubt, but they are also potentially as dangerous as the Town, since they won't know for sure who is Mafia unless the Cop tells them. Chief is definitely a possibility for the Vigilante and we should take him out at some point (although we might be able to convince the town to vote him out). We also need to get rid of LLight at some point, since no one is ever going to vote to kill him. Right now, I'd suggest going after Hezekiah first, followed by either LLight, Shadowwalked, or BCB.

The thing with Hezekiah is that if he is the Cop, a couple of us are likely to be targeted next round. Black Yoshi, since he will be Roxas's only remaining major suspicion, and me, in case they figure out why we went after Hezekiah. The fact that we killed Feral last round will help--it'll look like we're just taking shots in the dark. Unfortunately, a post Hezekiah made the first round makes me less inclined to think he's the Cop--he was suspicious of me, but he later voted for Xhin, saying that he didn't see anyone else as suspicious. We still might want to take him out since we silenced him, and he might have figured out why.

If we take Hezekiah out tonight, we should silence one of our other three major suspects.

Shadowwalked made a post that was talking all about the Cop--he stated his strategy would be to force the Cop to reveal himself early so that the Doctor could protect him, and he said that since the Doctor was dead the Cop should only reveal themselves if they know two of the Mafia at least. That makes him seem less likely to be the Cop, but that could be what he wants us to think. He hasn't really indicated any suspicions. Silencing him would be wonderful if he turned out to be the Cop, but if he isn't then people might be less suspicious of him because he was silenced.

BCB hasn't given us anything to go off of. If he's the Cop, he's been very inactive, so he's really only on our list by process of elimination. If he doesn't say anything this round, silencing him might make him look suspicious enough for the town to lynch him. On the other hand, if he's not the Cop, then silencing him would allow the real Cop to speak up.

LLight could still be the Cop. The issue with him is that he hasn't been correct in any of his suspicions, really, except #85 (and he wouldn't know). On the plus side, silencing him wouldn't give the Town any less reason to suspect anyone else that we silenced less.

BCB might be the best choice to silence. Maybe kill Hezekiah and silence BCB this round, then do the same with BCB and Shadow next round if Hezekiah isn't the Cop?

Shadows been in a car accident so I don't think we need to silence him. I'm down to vote off hezekiah off also and hopefully the town will kill knuckles. We should discuss who we want to silence a little more in depth. These next 2 rounds are going to decide who wins basically

Wasn't it CTRblack that first accused you lancer? That's a strong cop possibility too. But we need to also keep in mind that the cop can play dumb, which makes it tough.

I don't think CtR has ever accused me. All I've seen him do is accuse Roxas and Knukles, both of which are wrong. Unless we have a better reason to think he's the Cop, I think we should keep him around because we could probably convince the town to lynch him.

And Shadow's last long post was after he was in the car accident. I don't think we should consider him out of the game.

Black Yoshi, since he will be Roxas' only remaining major suspicion

...which inclines to me that he probably checked me and found me guilty, but isn't ready to admit he's the Cop yet. I say:

Kill Roxas
Silence BCB, since he's been inactive anyway...

Vote for Hezekiah

shit is gonna get real when the cop comes out

And this round isn't too important, it's the next kill we really need to discuss. I'm thinking chief or CtR.

Well, I seem to be a recurring suspect. Flattered by this, but I need to vote again for Hezekiah. This might be my last round if the Townies' wise up.

Hezekiah it is, then.

And honestly, so far I see no reason why killing CtR would help us. I don't think he's been right in any of his suspicions so far so I doubt he's the Cop. Best case scenario is that Hezekiah is the Cop, or that we manage to convince the town to lynch BCB and find that he's the Cop.

If we still haven't found the Cop by next round, my best bets are BCB and Shadow, and maybe Roxas. Although that could change based on what happens today.

Almost there guys. Let's hope the vig doesn't get one of us tonight.

LLight is next target. Nearly confirmed for vigilante after the vigilante took out CtRBlack

What an awesome night round! We could actually win this thing. Not there yet, though--the Vigilante could still really screw us up.

LLight is the best next target IMO. He's potentially the Vigilante and we'll never convince the town to lynch him anyway.

Yoshi, you're done with the tour, yeah? You'll probably want to make a post explaining why you were inactive. You could probably even claim to have been Silenced last round, if you want--I don't think you spoke at all so you might be able to pull it off.

The BCB thing is unfortunate because it helped us at first and then screwed some of our strategy up. He took some of the heat off Black Yoshi with his first post, but I feel like people are going to think we were trying to frame him now (which we were), and they might go after #85 because of it when he probably should have been safe this round. I just wish he hadn't made that second post about him being silenced in the actual thread--it's really going to throw things off. It would have been easier to forgive if he hadn't made that post openly.

I do believe BCB made an honest mistake and it would be unfortunate to have him be host-killed this close to the end of the game. At the same time, though, we probably would have succeeded in getting him or Roxas voted off this round. I guess it'll be your call, Yeano.

Yeah the town was no doubt going to go Roxas. Now I am a giant target. I'm going to do my best to play it off, I think it's still possible. I just can't be to obvious about wanting Roxas out.

Damn well my game got ruined. Not gonna whine about it or anything, shit happens. Get em guys

I'm saving you #85. I suppose I ought to have chosen someone else as Mafia, but I think I can make it stick to Llight.

It's a risky strategy, but I'm going down accusing people. They'll be so out of whack with suspicion that they won't know who is and who isn't.

Don't do it man! I'm gonna go out on my own terms. I got an idea how to shake things up

Damn man you sacrificed yourself and there just gonna lynch me the next day!

I shook em up already... let's see if it works first before you do something foolish like I have.

Lancer is the only clean one amongst us. Take out who you can... they probably won't believe me and take me out anyhow.

You can say that you were being framed by me the entire time if you'd like.

There not gonna buy it, light wants to take me out.

Make sure you get LLight out tonight guys

If I get one more vote I'm gonna shake things up

Careful lancer not to vote for majoras, chief is obviously baiting the mafia out with that vote. In fact if I get one more vote for me.

I bet I woulda lived, damn you BCB!!!! Lol

Don't give up hope yet, guys. There are two ways we can still win this one. The first one is to play this out conventionally and hope to get Majora/chief/Roxas voted out next round. We'll likely lose both #85 and Helius, but we'll still have a chance.

The other, riskier strategy is that we take advantage of the BCB situation. That gives the town just a 1-vote advantage on us, and with Shadowwalked usually out of commission we could wait until the end and all switch our votes to the same person (MajorasMask if chief doesn't change his vote). If Shadow doesn't vote, we'll force a tie at the very least, and if chief doesn't switch his vote, we'll be able to lynch Majora. Either way, it'll be game over, because even if the Vigilante kills one of us, we'll kill LLight and silence one more of them, giving us a voting advantage since silenced people can't vote.

I really think the second strategy could work, and the cool thing is that we can wait to see if Shadow shows up before deciding. In the meantime, I'm casting my vote for you, #85, just to avoid suspicion, but I'll definitely switch it if it looks like my second strategy will work out.

And Helius, it was a valiant effort, but unfortunately it probably wasn't necessary haha. Since the Cop's out anyway, there really was no reason to sacrifice any of us for the Godfather's sake cause his main power has been neutralized.

According to Yeano, the round ends March 28th at 9:10 pm or 6 votes.

We're not getting 6 votes unless chief and Shadow both vote #85, so keep this deadline in mind in case we go for broke this round. Helius and maybe #85 can probably switch their votes at any time (though we don't want to scare chief off by making it too obvious), but Yoshi and I should wait until the very end if at all possible.

Yeano, what time zone is that deadline?

I'm partially to blame because there was no need to target BCB when Roxas was going down (wonder if we could have played a perfect game?) I think chiefs just trying to bait us out but no harm in waiting to see.. I was gonna wait to shake things up but since we have a (small) out, I'll sit back.

What happens if it's a tie?

From the rules:

"If there is a tie in votes cast, no one will be killed."

So this plan will work unless BOTH chiefsonny and Shadowwalked vote for #85. If either one doesn't, we should proceed with the plan.

Haha if that works out that would Be the best way to win

Yeah, I'd been thinking that suddenly voting as a block might be an effective strategy in the endgame. This scenario is pretty much perfect for it, really, aside from the fact that we'll have to wait two days to implement it.

I underestimated how powerful a weapon the Silencer could be in this game. It can be used not only to paint someone as suspicious, but also rob the town of a vote.

Well, actually, I have already cast a vote, but it's not for any of you guys, it's for Roxas, but if need be I can change it.

Anyway, are any of you guys having trouble seeing the main thread? All I'm seeing is the center of the Mafia banner and the labels at the top of the thread, and that's it... EDIT: Actually, it may just be this computer or this version of Internet Explorer -- the post shows up just fine on my laptop (which runs newer versions both of Windows itself and Internet Explorer)...

Yeah, you should probably keep your vote at Roxas for now, Yoshi. Shadow voted, but chief hasn't changed his vote yet, so there's still a chance we could win it this round, but a sudden shift in the votes could scare chief off. If chief does switch his vote, they'll be at 6 for #85, and the round will end immediately.

I suspect Helius will get killed by the Vigilante during the night, leaving us down to two. The good thing is that there is a good reason to be suspicious of everyone left but LLight. Killing LLight is the easy choice especially since he's probably the Vigilante.

As for silencing, I'm a little torn. I worry that silencing anyone might make them seem less suspicious, since they know we're in the business of trying to frame people. If that's the case, it might be best to silence me if #85 gets lynched. That could go either way--make me more or less suspicious--but the benefit is that everyone else would be available to go after each other and I wouldn't have to continue acting innocent for that round. Of course, that only matters if chief switches his vote, but we have to prepare for that probability.

Last time with Xhin chief waited till the last second. It's possible he's doing it again.

Silencing yourself would be very risky, but there isn't really a fool proof move. Maybe shadow would be the next most likely townie in their opinion.

That's another interesting thing. If LLight is the vigilante, and we get him tonight (which we will) does he get to do his last kill?

Yeah, I think chief's fairly likely to change his vote, which is why we also need to be careful and wait until the last minute.

And I'm pretty sure LLight gets his last kill.

Our deadline is now 9 PM (EST) tonight. #85, you should change your vote shortly before then, unless chief changes his vote.

Yeano, are you still going to close the round at that time if votes change? Or will you go back to your original deadline?

Black Yoshi and I should wait until the final deadline to change our votes. If the final deadline is tonight and chief doesn't change his vote, then we should go for it. If Yeano says the deadline reverts back to tomorrow, then Yoshi and I should wait. Either way, I'm going to wait until all of your votes are going toward Majora before I change mine, since right now I'm the least suspicious.

Yeah Yoshi, try and and be on at 8:59 because this is gonna be down till the last minute. I'm on a phone so it's no problem.

EDIT wait, I think if a vote switches before 9 then they have until the whole time to vote

Yeah, Yeano's post has me a little nervous. Unless he confirms that the round would end tonight even if we all switch our votes, I'm not changing mine, and Yoshi shouldn't either. For now, I'm going to go by his exact wording, which means that if anyone changes their vote before 9 EST tonight, the round continues past then.

So I'd suggest that you, #85, change your vote before then so that we have a firmer deadline. Yoshi and I should wait.

Eh, I'd be fine with Noone getting taken out. But I see chief creeping on the userlist. I'm sure he's gonna vote in before time. No point drawing a tie and then chief just breaking it

It's worth a shot, though, because if it works it's an automatic win. You're getting lynched if you don't change your vote.

Well we need Yeanos confirmation because if I change my vote the deadline could be extended.

Well, I suppose, LLet's go with LLight...he's most likely in my opinion to be the Vigilante.

And just for good measure, let's silence...Roxas, since he seems to know just a little bit too much...

Oh, and one more thing -- I can't seem to view the main thread from this computer; all I see is the center of the Mafia banner and the header of the post itself, not even the original post or any of the replies...perhaps, Yeano, you can put in a request to Xhin to fix that?

What browser are you using, Black Yoshi?

I'll vote Llight

I may be a goner but we'll see... everyone seems to think I'm not telling the truth anyhow.

@Xhin: On this computer, Internet Explorer; on my laptop, a newer version of IE (and I can view the thread there)...

Bah. I was hoping #85 would change his vote before the deadline since there wasn't any real downside to him doing that anyway. Oh, well, missed opportunity.

LLight is the obvious choice here.

Crap. That sucked. Now I'm not sure who the Vigilante is--it could even be Shadow for all I know.

Yes, yes, it did. If it's the last thing I can do, I will ferret them out.

Edit:

My best assumption is Roxas, but Chief noted Black Yoshi as well. Roxas was more adamant about Black Yoshi than Chief. I gave Roxas a save (for some reason) and Chief probably would have voted for me if he believed my Llight and Mafia post.

I was actually thinking it was probably Shadowwalked, due to the killing of CtR. I think Roxas and chief probably would have taken out Black Yoshi that round instead, although they also had good reason to be suspicious of CtR. Majora probably would have taken out Roxas.

I'm waffling on whether to kill Roxas or Shadow. Actually, I'm not quite sure how to play the last round, because it's going to be tricky convincing anyone left to vote each other off. Part of me thinks that I'm going to be obvious once chief is out. LLight not being the Vigilante was unfortunate since we needed to get him out--as the town already knew he was clean--but now, if the Vigilante declares himself in the last round, I'll only have one person to shift blame onto.

Still got a shot, but it's going to be tough and it'll depend on how much suspicion they have of each other.

Alright, I guess I'm going to take out Roxas, just cause it would be hard to convince Majora to get rid of him with Helius going after him last round. I really do think Shadow is more likely to be the Vigilante, but that doesn't matter so much since we're not going to have another night round. At least it'll give me a good reason to go after Majora...I'm just kinda thinking that everyone left is a little too intelligent to fall for it at this late stage.

I can't tell you how much I second-guessed that decision. But I'm going for it.