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game 25 mafia thread

Posted February 22, 2014 by Speed Bike Pro

Good evening, you low-life dastards! With your powers combined, you form the mafia! Allow me to introduce you to one another.

First up, we have the Starbucks Barista. They serve delicious drinks to people and explain what "grande" and "venti" mean to unaware customers. Do not be mislead by the smile on their face and the pep in their step, however. When they offer you a venti, they are referring to the pints of blood they are going to remove from you because they are also the Lazy Assassin. Each night (excluding night 0), you can guess one person's role. If you guess correctly, they will be killed. If you guess incorrectly, they will not be killed, your role will be revealed to the public, and you must also give them a $20 Starbucks gift card to show your remorse. Due to your lazy nature, you can only attempt to assassinate someone on two separate occasions so choose wisely and get off the couch, you bum.

Next up, we have the Taco Bell Window Worker! You ask people if they'd like to try the new quadruple beef burrito even though they only came to order the nachos bel grande! When they pull around to the window, it is your duty to ask them if they'd like any sauce with their dinner and any herpes on their lip because you are also the Hooker. Every night (including night 0), you may choose one person to fornicate with and not call the next morning. This person will be blocked from using their role's power if they have one at all. You can target the same player consecutively if you're into that kind of thing.

Last but not least, we have the Denny's Bus Boy. You are the poor boy or girl with the broken look on your face as you rush to clean off each table after it has been in use so that you can hurry back to the kitchen for your next lashings and set of orders. Years of experience with leaving everything spotless are going to pay dividends as you are also the Godfather. You don't have any cool abilities and, as such, your mafia kin all laugh at you behind your back. However, you are immune to Cop checks, meaning you possess a rare mutation in your DNA that is key to prolonging the existence of mafia. Now please clean off table 14, there is a party of twenty coming in at 8 o'clock.

Tread carefully and good luck!

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The Hooker may now choose someone to hook. The other two of you can kick back and relax for the time being.

February 22, 2014
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Speed Bike Pro
 

I'm laughing but I don't know who I am (look)

February 22, 2014
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Pirate_Ninja

OH SORRY I FORGOT THAT MAFIA ONLY SHOW UP AS MAFIA

hezekiah, you are the Hooker! Hope you've brought protection!

Pirate_Ninja, you are the Lazy Assassin! Choose wisely!

The Bandit, you are the Godfather! That means you're not a Townie!

Sorry about that but I think I have every other base covered. (look)

February 22, 2014
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Speed Bike Pro
 

I know I'm the one who works here, but I would love to try some of your secret sauce (suprised)

February 22, 2014
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hezekiah

Good team, but with so few mafia and so many really good power roles I kind of doubt we have much of a chance. : /

I assume that we're going to target Lancer or Apollo on the first night? Doctor is in play, and they're the obvious targets, but the Doc can only protect one of them.

February 22, 2014
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The Bandit

I know I'm the one who works here, but I would love to try some of your secret sauce


This stuff doesn't come cheap, my friend... Five bucks and you can help yourself to as much as you desire.

February 22, 2014
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Speed Bike Pro
 



gotta love nailing the 8% chance of landing the one role I really really didn't want (cry)


the Doctor's Distracted nature makes targeting an 'obvious' choice right off the bat a little more attractive, but time will tell I guess~

February 23, 2014
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Pirate_Ninja

I know I'm the one who works here, but I would love to try some of your secret sauce
This stuff doesn't come cheap, my friend... Five bucks and you can help yourself to as much as you desire.


Five dolla make me holla {y}


My role is barely relevant tonight, but may as well try to block the Lawyer. Logical assumption is he'd target himself on the off chance he becomes the town's target during Day 1. It'd just be a total shot in the dark, so total shot in the dark it is!

February 23, 2014
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hezekiah

That turns out to be Feral.

February 23, 2014
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hezekiah

Okay, what am I missing with stacking quotes?

February 23, 2014
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hezekiah

Just to confirm, Night 0 actions:

Feral will be hookered.

February 23, 2014
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Instead of just hoping not to die, can I just give the Mafia portion of my wages? Buy them off? I be sure I can offer them enough with my...minimum-wage job. Of course, then I'll probably starve to death.

Lancer's comment seems to have some purpose behind it. At the very minimum, he's reminding every one that he was killed first Night in the last game. He could also:

1. Be trying to get the Doctor to protect him.

2. Trying to get us to sympathize with him so we don't kill him.

3. Trying to lure us into killing him so he can protect himself and block the kill.

I feel like number 3 is the least likely. If he's the doctor, blocking the kill on himself only helps him and the Town a tiny bit.

So, yeah, I would want to say that Lancer is not the Doctor.

February 25, 2014
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The Bandit

wtf happened to my post "gon get?"

????????????

trying to get

February 25, 2014
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The Bandit

I think there's some kind of filter that's slightly altering messages at the moment. It's nothing huge but I've noticed things like "a" just don't appear at all and some other words get changed to stuff like "gon get".

February 25, 2014
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Speed Bike Pro
 

ah, ye just haven't gotten yer sea legs yet, is all

February 26, 2014
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Pirate_Ninja

OK, well, I've thought about it a bit. If I was Lancer (someone who is routinely killed early in the game) and I had just been killed on Night1 in the previous game and I managed to get the Doctor role in this game, I don't think I would remind anyone of the previous game. I would hope that most people would have forgotten and bank on the mafia trying to kill me the first night again. I'm confident that's what I'd do, but it's a pretty simple strategy that's probably unlikely to work and I think Lancer would be above it.

We're pretty lax in these games, though. Oftentimes the mafia will not kill someone on the first night who was killed on the first night in the last game just to be nice. If Lancer is the Doctor, he may be trying to remind everyone of what happened, hope that the mafia takes sympathy on him, and then protect another obvious target like Apollo. He could then save her on Night 1, then himself on Night 3 (as we would obviously kill Apollo on Night2). That would be a great move by him if Apollo turned out to not be mafia.

If Lancer isn't the Doctor, we have to ask ourselves how the Doctor is reacting to his statement. Will he take pity on Lancer and say "hey, I'll insure you'll make it through at least night1 buddy" or will he say "the mafia won't target him because he was targeted first last game." The first option seems to be the most obvious one, but as I said, I'm pretty sure no one expects the mafia to target Lancer again because it would be a dick move.

However, based on my personal observations, if the Doctor is just some random and they choose not to protect themselves, I think Apollo is going to be the Doctor's target far more often than Lancer, regardless of whatever Lancer says in the thread. People just like doing her favors for some reason.

So, I'll just say that I think we should be assholes and gun for Lancer.

There are of course other options. I've sort of set up a binary of Apollo/Lancer, but there are plenty of other good players that we can target instead of them. I'm not too choosey.

February 26, 2014
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The Bandit

Good evening, villainous scum! You may now deliberate amongst yourselves and determine who you'd like to give a pink slip to (if you catch my drift), who you'd like to prepare a Taco 12 Pack for, and who you'd like to make a tall caramel mocha frappuccino with no whip for if the Barista is feeling motivated enough to work their shift tonight. You're lucky your boss is so lenient when it comes to your work ethic, buddy.

Also as a game note, I looked through old games and found that the Hooker has never had the power to sex the same person repeatedly even though I thought the contrary. Given the small population of this game, I think it'd be best to revise the Hooker's power so that it cannot be used on the same target consecutively. Since hezekiah determined his target randomly Night 0, I will permit you to target whoever you'd like tonight but starting Night 2, you cannot hooker the same person consecutively.

February 26, 2014
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Speed Bike Pro
 

appy polly loggies for my brevity here, but I think your assessment was pretty solid. I'll be back later - hopefully with more to offer - but for the moment I'll add that my first instinct outside of the aforementioned pair would be Lady Flare. Not hugely favoring any particular choice at the moment, though, so I'm open to thoughts.

February 26, 2014
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Pirate_Ninja

Jeez, 2:30 Eastern... guess I'll have to set aside some time tomorrow morning at work to weigh in with my perspective. Certainly if you guys come up with a plan I'm fine to go along with it, but I want to at least try and participate.

February 27, 2014
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hezekiah

Lady Flare sounds good, but I'm scared she might come to my house and kill me IRL for advocating that she be killed again. I'm sure her first post in the dead thread will say that I'm mafia.

I wouldn't mind taking out Jo Nathan either. He's a pretty smart player and is one of those guys that acts really, really innocent when he's innocent, and we might as well get those guys out of the way. Compare him to Bubba, who is definitely a smart player, but tends to play more under the radar and is more likely to be seen as suspicious later on even when he's town sided (or Black Yoshi, who always seems to be suspicious to me for some reason idk).

Sort of on that note, there is value to not killing the obvious players outside of avoiding a Doctor save. The longer that they live, the more suspicious they become.

February 27, 2014
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The Bandit

just call it my idea if we do it; she seems reasonable enough (hehe)

given that there's not exactly much game-relevant info to go on yet, JN was actually next on my list for consideration as well, similar sort of reasoning. Like you said, though, without info from this game I can see merit to both sides of who to target. I should be around during the day tomorrow (gotta be home for a furniture delivery, for one thing), so hopefully hez will get a chance to muse a bit and we can see what's up.


oh, and given that the odds aren't so hot I'm just gonna say right now that I'm not really looking at serving up any hot cups of hypercaffeinated, role-specific murder tonight. As far as the hooking goes, unless the man himself has any particular desires to chase I think we could consider going after the target with his action as well in case we strike upon a self-saving Doctor.

February 27, 2014
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Pirate_Ninja

Very close to the end. Can we kill Jo Nathan please?

February 27, 2014
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The Bandit

all right, that works for me

February 27, 2014
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Pirate_Ninja

To confirm:

Kill Jo Nathan
No assassination
Hook Jo Nathan (?)

February 27, 2014
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Speed Bike Pro
 

So yeah, I derped hard. Sorry team :-/

February 27, 2014
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hezekiah

No big deal, we got really lucky. :)

February 27, 2014
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The Bandit

Indeed we did. I kinda feel like it'd be wise to stay basically independent for the day rounds, with minimal at most conspiring about how to approach it. Makes us blend in more.

February 28, 2014
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hezekiah

I'm getting a Lancer is the Cop vibe.

February 28, 2014
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The Bandit

I had the same thought, actually, as his posts sorta brought me back to how Count Dooku played the Sensor role in Game 21. It's nothing concrete, of course, but the fact that he's being vocal in supporting the town leads me to think he's at least less likely to be the Defense Attorney (and thus effectively a waste of a kill).

February 28, 2014
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Pirate_Ninja

I think AJ's just a townie, based on her talking about her curse. Possibly trying to trick us into "wasting" a night kill on her. Definitely not committed to that read, but I'm gonna proceed based on that for the time being.

March 2, 2014
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hezekiah

It's a bit of a shame that she blocked the Feral kill. I was hoping for the chance to spin that she was mafia based on her inactivity, but that's much harder to do now. Even if we could, they'd have to pretty much believe that Feral was also mafia, and they're going to be more likely to kill him than Apollo.

I think we should just kill Lancer tonight. I feel like he's a power role and he's definitely the most active player even if he's not a power role, so it's whatever.

Killing him sort of invites Apollo to step up and assume more leadership in the next round, which could be really, really bad for us. But we can just kill her in the next night if she's a problem.

March 2, 2014
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The Bandit

Also, this is pretty shitty, but I think PN should probably throw some heat at hezekiah next round for trying to kill Feral. The Assassin role is going to be more beneficial than the Hooker in the later stages of the game, and I feel like hez is already on Apollo's radar.

March 2, 2014
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The Bandit

I was hoping for the chance to spin that she was mafia based on her inactivity, but that's much harder to do now.
I was going to mention that this would be a little risky, since her inactivity wasn't really a surprise to some people. I expected her to be busy this weekend and she's probably aware of that, so if I didn't act in line with that it'd be a big ol' red flag. But yeah, now with that little end-of-round dance it'd be tricky to do so anyway.


Also, this is pretty shitty, but I think PN should probably throw some heat at hezekiah next round for trying to kill Feral. The Assassin role is going to be more beneficial than the Hooker in the later stages of the game, and I feel like hez is already on Apollo's radar.
I've considered it, assuming he doesn't object. Unless there's a Cop verdict reveal or something tomorrow, the most likely place to pull a lead is probably from the votes:

  • Feral's came almost at random, the type of vote people would often come back to reconsider - it could be dismissed as joking around or as picking off someone he feels is mafia or an unhelpful innocent...or a mafia vote using that as cover to pick up a free kill
  • Hindy's easily passes as self-defense. If you wanted to get him lynched, I'd look at the fact that he doesn't really strategize with the town (and just for kicks, his reaction at the start of Day 1 was basically the same as in last game, where he was mafia)...which does make him a relatively attractive lynchee from the town perspective
  • hez's does make sense as an "at least we'll learn something" shot, and you could argue that the mafia doesn't need to call attention to itself by breaking a tie between innocents, so Hindenburg would likely be mafia as well. Or, knowing that (and since there's a Cop around), he might be mafia looking to pick up an extra kill to move things along
  • Apollo's was used to tie the vote and prevent a lynch. And as Bandit said, unless she and Feral are both mafia that seems unnecessary for a mafia member who hadn't been active unless she really wanted to look innocent (as Godfather, for instance)

    I'd probably look at either Feral or hez at this point if I were town-aligned with no other leads. Hopefully, we might be able to lean the vote back toward Feral in that case. Otherwise, there's always looking at the people just floatin' quietly by...which we'd have to be careful not to be associated with.


    I'm still in agreement on lancer at this point based on all we've said. He's been the most active in pursuing us, so it should serve our cause well no matter his role. Time will tell for Apollo - if we're lucky, that activity may have even been spurred by a need to defend Feral without necessarily being on the town's side. If we did happen to get Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney (please hold your applause until the end of the presentation), she doesn't have the usual incentive to hunt us down...in fact, she might take a backseat in the hope of just surviving. Her actions from Day 3 on might clear that up.

    as far as sexy times go I guess we probably just want to go Cop-fishing among the rest of the town. Lady Flare? Shadowwalked? Your call..give those Taco-senses a whirl, hot stuff. Maybe visit someone you think would be more likely to check you or me.

    • March 3, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    On second thought, that comment looks pretty suspicious by Feral. "Oh whoops forgot about the game haha oh silly me. Also, please feel sympathy for me :("

    March 3, 2014
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    The Bandit

    You may now choose someone to feed a burrito to, someone to lay off, and someone to prepare a caramel mocha latte for IF YOU WANT TO BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO

    March 3, 2014
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    Vote to kill Lancer.

    I'm also OK with ending the night round early if all the actions are in given the delay (assuming everyone else is OK with it as well).

    March 3, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Interesting how Bubba called it "mafia-on-Feral action" at the end of the day round. I don't think I'm concerned about that, though.

    I'm fine with killing lancer. Not yet sure who gets my burrito tonight, though.

    March 3, 2014
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    hezekiah

    Also, I am not at all thrilled by Hindy's shitposting (gay noob, row row row your scrote, I too am gay).

    March 3, 2014
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    hezekiah

    (that's more directed at Speed)

    March 3, 2014
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    hezekiah

    in all seriousness I don't think he's ever actually played the game despite being in it several times and it's gotten old

    kill lancer, no assassination

    March 4, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Since his first reply in Day 2 was also interesting, I will render Bubba unable to use his night action.

    March 4, 2014
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    hezekiah

    To confirm:

    white lancer gets nixed
    Bubba gets hooked
    No assassination

    March 4, 2014
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    confirmed

    March 4, 2014
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    hezekiah

    Turns out lancer was just a townie. Ah well.

    March 5, 2014
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    hezekiah

    Well obviously you'll be wanting to kill Feral tonight. Not the greatest luck for me... Pile on ASAP.

    March 5, 2014
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    hezekiah

    But naturally be mindful of the fact that OOG is allowed and that he may have had somebody just claim cop to him. It's doubtful, but don't forget that it is technically possible.

    March 5, 2014
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    hezekiah

    Ugh, this will be a really tough choice. I can 100% see Feral acting like this as a Cop. I think the long narrative post is what's pushing me towards believing him. But, if he's not the Cop, Feral would be the most obvious choice to reveal to if he checked hezekiah.

    I guess we have to ask how Feral would react if a random messaged him and claimed Cop. I imagine disbelief would be his first reaction, especially once he gathered that sharing "his" results would mean certain death for him (and likely another Townie). I don't think he would jump forward with that result this early in the round. So...

    I'm OK with taking the chance and assassinating Feral. Like I said at the beginning, I think that we had the short end of the stick a tiny bit from the get go, and taking this shot would GREATLY even the odds if it pays off. But, it's ultimately your decision.

    March 5, 2014
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    The Bandit

    (and likely another Townie)

    if the Cop claim wasn't real, is what I meant

    March 5, 2014
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    The Bandit

    As I said in the thread, I think Apollo is pretty much a confirmed innocent to the Town, and I think Bubba's comment puts him more in that category that the suspicious one as Feral is trying to argue. Hez and Feral were definitely going to be the two options for today before the Cop shenanigans, and the fact that Bubba just chose a side, especially the correct side, wouldn't make him suspicious to me if I were a Townie.

    Maybe everyone else will perceive it differently, but I doubt it. We should lynch Apollo tonight regardless of whether you gun for Feral, and probably Bubba in the next night to keep the confirmed innocents to a minimum. They're both conveniently strong players anyway, so it works out well.

    March 5, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Day 3 was posted at 10:24 (a fair bit past the night round cutoff), so the Cop results were presumably posted around the same time. Feral's elaborate little verdict presentation was made at 10:58 - a little over half an hour later. Feral certainly could be posting someone else's results, but even if the Cop claimed to him overnight it would essentially require that within that period of time:

  • the actual Cop check their thread
  • they send Feral the verdict
  • Feral checks his notifications or w/e
  • Feral makes that reply

    it strikes me as more likely that he's telling the truth, since he's known to act on impulse and would likely take to heart lancer's advice to reveal any guilty verdicts right away. He could be a decoy, but at that point I think I'd just take my little vacation as a blessing because I could really use it right now.

    • March 5, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Really good observation, and I think it would be a sin to not go through with the assassination after reading that.

    If it works, the ratio will be 4-2, and a mislynch tomorrow would give us the game (assuming there's no Drunk shenanigans). I think we're in pretty good shape to take it as well. There's probably an argument for lynching either of us, but there's been so many quiet players (where is Shadowwalked???) that I think are more likely to get the axe.

    March 5, 2014
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    The Bandit

    One more vote would end the round which would be a pretty big break for us and make the last few people who voted look fairly suspicious.

    March 5, 2014
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    The Bandit

    DAMNIT APOLLO BE QUIET

    March 5, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Wish you had just feigned inactivity so I could end the round right now :-/

    Good observation with the timing of Feral's reveal. Definitely support Assassinating him tonight.

    March 5, 2014
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    hezekiah

    ughhh I didn't even think about it, and I definitely didn't expect the votes to last that long. I figured after Apollo said something the retractions would pour in.

    March 6, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Oh God there's a shot hezekiah. Hopefully you'll get on and take it.

    That will make Hidenburg (and possibly Black Yoshi) look super suspicious and could give us the game.

    March 6, 2014
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    The Bandit

    ^

    I don't blame you for retracting your vote; I was quite surprised that nobody else did. Black Yoshi posted while I was writing my reply and the added vote made me a little concerned that it might look like I was trying to hurry the lynch along, but I think it's worked out passably.

    March 6, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Mafia kill and assassin kill if you'd like PLEASE

    March 6, 2014
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    Well, I think we're in a great position right now. I think Apollo is probably still our best bet for a night kill, but there's an argument against it. I feel like she's going to be the most likely to go after the guys who ended the round (Bubba, Hidenburg, Black Yoshi to an extent because he posted without retracting his vote). If we kill her, obviously none of those players are going to feel as if they did anything wrong and could maybe counter any of our attempted lynches against them.

    However, leaving her alive is really risky, especially since we're completely unaware of ANY of her thoughts this game. She's yet to post anything useful, and could have suspicions of one of us and we wouldn't even know about it.

    BUT there could be an argument for trying to lynch her if we don't kill her as well, as we sort of discussed earlier in the game. There's no reason for her to really ever make it to Day 4 in these games, and that combined with her not saying anything helpful might be an effective argument for a lynch. There are problems with that, not the least of which is that a perceptive player is going to be looking for people who are suddenly very active and interested in lynching for this (hopefully) final round. I think one of us would have to start the mob to take out Apollo, and that could paint a target on our back where we probably don't have anyone's attention at this point.

    So, I believe after talking that out that the advantages of killing her outweigh the possible advantages of leaving her alive. Killing her is definitely the most straight forward play, and that's usually the best in these games. I'd be interested in your thoughts, in case I overlooked anything or if you have a more convincing target.

    March 6, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Oh, and not to steal your thunder, but REMEMBER TO SAY FERAL IS COP WHEN YOU ASSASSINATE HIM. One time I was mafia and my team didn't understand the Assassin role and we didn't claim the guy's role and fucked it up :(

    March 6, 2014
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    The Bandit

    rip in peace hezekiah, the Hooker-turned-Taco Bell Window Worker



    the world was not ready for your spice...


    offing Apollo is probably the safer choice imo. Her input tends to be taken quite seriously, which works to our favor if she's on the wrong track...but as you said, as it stands now we don't know where she might go from here. With the weekend coming I think she'd likely get a chance to say more than she has - for better or for worse. And given that my Totally Legitimate Public Voter Analysis ended with "I think it's more likely that she's innocent" it might be tricky for me to flip on her just because she's still alive. I kinda feel like the argument to lynch her would practically consist of just "the mafia hasn't killed her yet"...which isn't an especially strong case when she hasn't been doing that much in this game. And hey, if you really want to fish out potential hunches (and given how little open accusation there's been that might not be too bad) I think the last time she survived was the other game in which I had assassin powers. Conspiracy!

    I feel like she's going to be the most likely to go after the guys who ended the round (Bubba, Hidenburg, Black Yoshi to an extent because he posted without retracting his vote). If we kill her, obviously none of those players are going to feel as if they did anything wrong and could maybe counter any of our attempted lynches against them.
    at the same time, I think that if she's confirmed innocent in death it strikes me as a logical angle from which to approach the next lynch. The mafia would know she's not mafia, so it likely benefits them to end the discussion before she gets a chance to speak up. It's the angle I'd probably look from as a townie with no other leads, so I think it makes for a fair logical appeal.

    we're dealing in unknowns here - if anything, I think the best argument to not kill Apollo would be if you think we can nail the Town Drunk instead (assuming it isn't her). Eliminating that role would be a real boon, but as things stand I'm not especially confident in guessing who has it. My brain hurts, man. In any event, since the Drunk is alive I think your vote should come first, since the assassination is already tied to me. Still open to talkin' about it if you want tho~

    March 6, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Oh, yes, I should definitely vote first. That should guarantee a kill, and even if one of us are Drunked we won't necessarily be seen as auto guilty. Totally forgot about the Drunk.

    I vote to kill Apollo.

    The fact that the Drunk is still out there means that, even with a Day4 mislynch, we might not win if the Drunk blocks our Night kill. So we should avoid any celebratory posts in the main thread until it's guaranteed. Pretty unlikely that we will get Drunked I think. But I guess still possible. You could decide to take a blind Assassin shot tomorrow night. Even if you miss, it wouldn't be an insta death for you. Though if I got blocked and you guessed wrong it would be G fucking G. Still, it's probably the best way to insure a Night4 win.

    March 6, 2014
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    The Bandit

    ...so, did someone special-order a plot twist?

    one of my less-substantiated ramblings may have been on to something after all. Earlier this evening, Apollo contacted me out of nowhere with some rather interesting humor. In short, she claimed Defense Attorney (didn't name her target, but said it's not me). If this is true, killing her doesn't really advance our cause...so the obvious question seems to be whether to believe that.

    as I see it, the Defense Attorney doesn't really have anything to fear by revealing - it's a waste of time for either side to kill them, so I think the only real risk would be that people no longer trust them to actually be helping the town by saying "I think [player] is innocent." Coming forward would let her survive, and if it is the case that her target is about to be killed then she's about to become a Survivor anyway. As for whether someone would fake the claim...from a strategic point of view it strikes me as fairly complicated to evaluate the play's worth, and in any event it seems to hinge on being confident enough that I'm mafia to bother contacting me in the usual jocular, roundabout sort of way (similar to previous role-reveal conversations we've shared).


    so in summary, think it over before we finalize things (and yes, I will be making an assassination vote before dawn)

    March 7, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Oh Jesus.

    I don't think I agree that she has to think you're mafia for the play to make sense. I can see an interested Townie pretending to be the Attorney to try and get a read on a player that he isn't sure of. That's sort of how I'm reading this. Obviously I wasn't there, so I don't know, but if it wasn't just a casual "btw im defense attorney lol" it just seems odd. I don't really see the Attorney doing any active digging, when he would be so close to winning. Like, why bother? Just hope the Town screws up and collect your check. Maybe I'm projecting my own laziness, idk.

    So, yeah, I guess if she was really trying to pry some info or seemed really interested in your reaction, I would be less likely to buy her claim. It just wouldn't make sense for her to care. Yes, she wants to avoid lynching a mafia member, but the odds are so small that it doesn't seem necessary for her to try to root out the real mafia.

    I'm OK with not killing her, though. It seems like the safest play, and I really don't believe that if she is a Townie she's a power role, so there's that benefit. There's also the shit that I said earlier, about her being the most likely to go after the late voters like Bubba and Hidenburg. The problem is, if she's lying and isn't the Attorney, is that going to throw suspicion onto you? Will she automatically go after you because she wasn't night killed? It seems to be that if she was fishing for info, you wouldn't be the only person she tried this on, so it may not immediately fall on your shoulders, but it's definitely something to consider.


    If we don't kill Apollo, I guess Flare is the next best target? She's been very active and I don't think she's on anyone's radar. I do think Bubba lost a lot of innocent points when he cast the vote for hezekiah, so I'm not comfortable with using him as my back up.

    (I'll go ahead and officially change my vote to Flare, btw, just in case one of us doesn't have time to fully talk this out before the night round ends.)

    March 7, 2014
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    The Bandit

    didn't ask me anything (game-relevant, at least)...basically jokes about pizza delivery (hehe)

    I'm trying to present/approach this with as much logic and as little emotion as I can.

    I don't really see the Attorney doing any active digging, when he would be so close to winning. Like, why bother? Just hope the Town screws up and collect your check. Maybe I'm projecting my own laziness, idk.
    right, it'd just endanger the Attorney (and given the possbility of the unidentified target being nightkilled, survival may be the only goal). And if she isn't the Drunk, pushing the (potential) kill away from her could cost the town its most valuable role in order to maybe get a lead on someone.

    The problem is, if she's lying and isn't the Attorney, is that going to throw suspicion onto you? Will she automatically go after you because she wasn't night killed? It seems to be that if she was fishing for info, you wouldn't be the only person she tried this on, so it may not immediately fall on your shoulders, but it's definitely something to consider.
    oh, don't worry, I'm entirely too paranoid not to have considered it :J That's what I meant when I said that I felt it would hinge a fair bit on suspicion of me.


    I'll be around if you want to discuss it any further, but for now I'll second your kill vote. Likely would've been my choice as well, since Bubba's vote may be at odds with his ability to start something.

    lol flare's going to be MADD


    March 7, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    To confirm:
    Team kill Flare
    Assassination (?)

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    gentlemen...I fear the loss of dear brother hezekiah casts a pallor over this cozy little hideout

    the rain is falling



    the very sky weeps, as a bright star is snuffed out all too soon. He bore promise. Responsibility. Dreams. But the world, she can be cruel indeed...and he was forced to sustain himself with one of the basest, most demeaning jobs out there. He'd serve anyone who came calling, as long as they had the cash. His meat was there for the taking, denied to no one whose wallet opened wide enough. After all, a man in need can't afford to be picky.

    the rain is falling

    we didn't speak of it much, hezekiah and I...but I'm sure his hopes lied elsewhere. He lived a modest life, maintaining what dignity he could muster in his line of work. I don't fault him for a minute - we all do things we're not proud of. But through it all, he never lost that spark in his eye. His spirit. His...raison d'être. I never did ask what drove him to push on, but I'd guess it was all the paid sex he had on the side.

    the rain is falling

    we've come to this cold, wet night, robbed of a young man who lived without regrets. And I think it's something best settled with the man who brought him down...he'd have wanted it that way. And so this night, with a heart black as my brew...I choose to assassinate Feral, the Cop.



    ...you were better suited to flipping burgers

    March 7, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    The Starbucks Barista has one assassination attempt remaining.

    March 7, 2014
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    Good deal. Now we just have to hope that Apollo doesn't come after you and I think we're set.

    March 7, 2014
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    The Bandit

    ooookay here we go back the fun bus the fuck up

    she says her client is Bubba and she's perfectly willing to work with the dark side of town if we go after someone else

    March 8, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    oh wait

    March 8, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    sometimes the metaphors get a little out of hand in these conversations (hehe)

    it's actually Black Yoshi she's defending

    March 8, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Well, I'm obviously OK with that. We have 3 votes and just need 5. This shouldn't be too hard.

    We probably need to avoid seeming over eager, however. Any perceptive player is going to realize that the Town is in mislynch or lose, and if a group of us all agree really fast on a lynch target in this vital state of the town, one might be able to realize that the mafia has sided with the defense attorney.

    With that being said, I'm going to go ahead and make a generic "we need to be careful, let's start somewhere" kind of post to give us some control over where the discussion goes.

    March 8, 2014
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    The Bandit

    If a situation arises where we can bandwagon some votes onto a target, Apollo should probably be the last person to cast the vote. The Drunk can still block our night kill, and the last person to vote will probably be perceived as the most likely to be mafia if it's an obvious mafia move. Drunking Apollo would do absolutely nothing to her.

    March 8, 2014
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    The Bandit

    btw if I was the Assassin I would totally assassinate Apollo tonight after she helped us just to be pure evil (evil)

    When you read this Apollo, be glad the roles turned out differently!

    March 8, 2014
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    The Bandit

    utterly cruel...and with my luck the nightkill would get blocked and I'd look like *the* grand asshole for squandering the one remaining assassination attempt on an ally

    when you read this Apollo just look right here

    watch my face

    look into my eyes

    see how offended I am by that idea

    that is all Bandit can you believe he's the "innocent" one here


    planning on a sweeping sort of analysis to open, and I'll be in touch with our Attorney so we can hopefully bring it home tonight. I haven't shared your identity yet, btw - let me know if you'd rather I do or not. It might help to know you're the other mafia, but I don't intend to share that without your consent.

    March 8, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    You're right PN, we might need that Assassination to further our own interests. Maybe next time. (evil)

    It may be best if you and I just decided on who we wanted to lynch and relay that info to her, rather than telling her who I am and deciding as a group. Or maybe ask her who she thinks the 3 most suspicious people are and then tell her one of them is OK to go after. Something along those lines.

    If you haven't revealed that you're the Assassin yet, then I think I'd be OK with you telling her who I am though. But keep our roles a secret. That way we can have some leverage over her if she tries to give the Town a victory (it wouldn't make much sense for her to do that, but I don't want to take any chances). If she wants to tell the Town who we are, but doesn't know which one of us is the Assassin, then we could easily kill her and her target in the Night as revenge.

    If she knows that you're the Assassin, well, they'll just kill you today and I would only be able to kill her tonight (which may mean she actually would win since Yoshi survived? She would lose a survival point though, obviously).

    Like I said, I'm probably being paranoid in all of that, but better safe than sorry.

    March 8, 2014
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    The Bandit

    I haven't given up my role, no (though I honestly don't see her flipping...in part because she doesn't know whether her client is mafia). But I did mention that I thought Bubba was likely the best (mis)lynch option - I feel like the argument against him is the best one so far to convince 1-2 people (Hindy will likely hop on board and hope for the best imo).

    March 8, 2014
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    Going very well. :)

    though I honestly don't see her flipping

    Yeah, I know I'm being silly and paranoid. But I can't help it.

    March 9, 2014
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    The Bandit

    yeah, I was mulling over the wording of my post when she added that reply so I put the brakes on that plan immediately. Rather than follow you too closely or potentially distract from the central point of your presentation, I thought it'd work to just let that topic take flight on its own. It seems to be working as I'd hoped/expected.

    and it's no problem, lol. You certainly don't need to tell me about silly mafia paranoia; we're quite well acquainted. Just noting that I do trust her, but I didn't bring her by to tour the hideout over coffee while you were out bussing tables or anything :J

    [1:57:52 AM] Apollo Justice: I am saying I'd like a grand slam and grande white chocolate mocha pronto in the morning


    March 9, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Good evening, gents. You have a team kill and an assassination still at your disposal. {:D}

    March 10, 2014
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    eh, I figured he'd be a Wal-Mart kinda guy...not really a fan of that outcome, but you take what you can get. The most important part is that we're still here :J

    ...this still leaves us with our inebriated neighbor, though, so it's kinda complicated:

  • if we successfully kill one of the three, that's game over goodtimes and the three of us can go out to breakfast Day 5

  • if the Drunk blocks it, the game continues and he'll know who cast the first vote for a guaranteed mafia lynch. If they lynch you tomorrow, I can still win overnight by picking off two people (if I don't get blocked). If they lynch me, you're on your own. If you vote first and it gets blocked, someone may point out that the town can still lose by killing the wrong one of us. They can either kill you and hope you're the Assassin (would the mafia risk them being caught?), or ignore you under the assumption that you're the Godfather and try to figure me out.

  • if I can hit a one-in-three role guess, we can guarantee a win tonight regardless of the Drunk...if I guess wrong and the kill is blocked, though, then we're both busted and they know who to kill first.


    but the key thing, even if the kill tonight is blocked: if Apollo sticks to her word, the three of us can stall any lynch attempt at this point anyway. As long as we do that, we can't lose.

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    To be honest, I think the game should be given to us. Bubba broke a rule (again) and ignorance is not an excuse, not when the information is out there for the Drunk to see and use to his advantage.

    Who we go after doesn't really matter. Even if we manage to target the Drunk, he can still block us so it's totally irrelevant.

    I guess if we kill Yoshi we wouldn't be betraying Apollo? She would survive and would get the same amount of points for winning as DA I guess? I could be wrong on that though. Technically he's the best choice since he's the only one that thought Bubba wasn't mafia, and as such is the most likely to pick us out if we're Drunked. At the same time though, I kind of feel like he deserves a survival point just for that (whereas Shadow and Hidenburg have really been nonfactors).



    As far as your Assassination goes- he's significantly more risky now than it was back when I suggested it. A 1/3 chance isn't great odds. If I had to take a guess I would say that Shadow is a townie based on his relative inactivity. Black Yoshi could be the Drunk, and maybe he blocked Bubba one night and that's why he thought that Bubba might be innocent. But who knows.

    You may feel that's it's better to not use it and hope you get a decent read on someone if I'm lynched. However, I'd like to point out that if Apollo shows up alive tomorrow, after letting Bubba be killed and just managing to make it to Day5, the Lawyer and Townie are going to think she's mafia no matter what. And if that happens, you can guarantee she'll give you up to save her own skin. Because of that, I think it's best if we just try to end the game tonight.

    March 10, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Was still writing when you posted. The Apollo thing is a good point I hadn't considered, and if you two haven't brought it up you should mention it to her just in case she does decide to turn you over.

    March 10, 2014
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    The Bandit

    At the same time though, I kind of feel like he deserves a survival point just for that (whereas Shadow and Hidenburg have really been nonfactors).
    ^^^

    who we kill is pretty much symbolic, because if it goes through the game ends. And if it's blocked, nobody'd know who the target was anyway. I'd prefer to go for either Hindy or Shadow.


    are you voting first if so you can go ahead and decide c:

    March 11, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    oh, and I forgot:

    To be honest, I think the game should be given to us. Bubba broke a rule (again) and ignorance is not an excuse, not when the information is out there for the Drunk to see and use to his advantage.
    hopefully we can end the game anyway without it actually impacting things, but in any case that was wrong. It's bad enough to be breaking an established rule in the first place, but to keep doing it after someone points out it's not allowed? Come on.

    March 11, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    I vote to kill Shadowwalked.

    March 11, 2014
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    The Bandit

    o ok guess that's a yes then :>

    seconding Shadowwalked, not going to try an assassination because it's an unnecessary risk imo


    ...but just for fun:
    Black Yoshi - Drunk
    Shadowwalked - Lawyer
    Hindenburg - Townie

    March 11, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Team kill: Shadowwalked
    Assassination: none

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