Mafia

Alright. So that Mafia mix is pretty decent--the Investigator is one of the more powerful Mafia roles, but the Thug and Executioner are pretty weak so that balances out okay. We'll obviously have to adjust the number of Mafia based on the number of players who show up--it's hard to be completely sure on a balance until sign-ups are closing.

The Lawyer, Psychiatrist, and Governor are all pretty weak Town roles...I'm not sure I'm understanding the Insane Dreamer correctly--does it dream of three innocent players a night until it's cured? If so, that is an insanely overpowered role that I would never even try to cure as the Psychiatrist, since getting three innocent verdicts each night is incredible. That role will need to be changed or removed. I'm also not completely sure about including both the Lawyer and the Governor, since they do pretty similar things.

I love the Serial Killer and it could be a lot of fun. We'll need a pretty big field to include it, though, so we'll have to wait to see how sign-ups go before deciding on that.

The Gunsmith might be an interesting role, and I'd be down to try them out...probably only works out in a larger game, though. I don't even know what to think about the Admirer...seems like it would be hard to balance? And what's the Amnesiac?

Yeah, I can be about as involved as you need me to be, Cas. I'm here to help. ^_^

I'm not sure I like the Amnesiac. Roles like that one and the Ghoul make the game too difficult to balance IMO--I'd rather stay away from people who can switch alignments because they swing the game around. The Admirer might be a little powerful...we'd for sure have to get rid of the Serial Killer's Nightkill immunity and maybe even their invulnerability to Cop checks. Have to see what the setup is, but it does effectively give the SK a better chance to win the game.

I think the Gunsmith, Vigilante AND Serial Killer might be a bit much--that's a lot of killing roles. I'd remove the Vigilante because the Gunsmith means there are already killing players among the Town.

I think we need at least 6 Mafia members, maybe even 7 (because the roles we have are not very powerful). We could also throw in more Town power roles because with that many Townies, a lot of people might not be super into it. I like the idea of adding a Mafia member (probably the Godfather), adding the Prosecutor and Defense Attorney. Maybe take out the Cop (since we've played that role so many times) and add the Watcher and Tracker, then give the Mafia the Ninja? I'm going to go look at the list of roles and see if anything looks interesting...

Maybe not adding the Prosecutor/Defense Attorney--the Serial Killer's going to have a tough time with this many players, so you may want to throw in an Admirer or two after all. I kinda like the idea of having a Special Club with 2 or 3 members--that could work in a game this big. You may also want to put in more roles with night actions instead of the Governor, just to give the Journalist, Nurse, and maybe the Watcher/Tracker something to look for. The Mafia does seem a little bit underpowered, but the Gunsmith might wind up helping them out so it's hard to say. Probably 6 is a good number.

We'll need to clarify a few things about the Gunsmith, since it's a new role. Are the guns he gives one-shot, or can they be used over and over (they should probably be one-shot)? Can he give the same person two guns over the game? I think he should be able to, but his role should be Compulsive so he has to give a gun out every night (and if a player hasn't used their gun, they can't use it anymore).

We'll also have to figure out how powerful to make the Serial Killer. I gave him infinite bulletproof and detection immunity (so Cops/Watchers/Trackers couldn't detect him), but that's probably a little much with the Admirers. Maybe only the first one gets detection immunity? And only a one-shot bulletproof vest between the three of them?

I'm just throwing out ideas here haha. I would love to see the Paranoid Gun Owner see some use, actually--that can be a fun role! The Spy is kinda lame, though, because the Mafia can play around that pretty easily. There's no need to have the Godfather if we take out the Cop, so maybe put in the Hooker instead? That could be a well-balanced Mafia crew.

I think the Admirers would be Third-Party roles, since they win with the Serial Killer.

The Special Club is different from the Lovers--they don't die if another member does. That being said, they might not work out super-well in this format since we have a lot of roles that are dependent on Night actions and they don't have any. Maybe include the Paranoid Gun Owner and one other Town role with a visiting action (the Watcher?) instead. Give me a second and I'll see if I can come up with something. Setup's looking pretty good so far though!

Actually, the Silencer might be better than the Hooker. Let's see...

24 players
6 Mafia (Ninja, Silencer, Investigator, Thug, Executioner, Mafioso)
4 Third Party (Journalist, Serial Killer, Admirer x2)
14 Town (Nurse, Governor, Gunsmith, Watcher, Tracker, Paranoid Gun Owner, 8 Townies)

How does that look to you? As for explanations of the roles, I'd go with this:

Gunsmith: Gives a gun to a player of their choice each night. These guns are one-shot and may be used during the day to kill a player instantly; however, the player who used the gun has a 50% chance of having their identity revealed to the Town. The Gunsmith is compulsive (they must use their power each night) as they do have a business to run, but they can't give their gun to someone who already has an unused one and they cannot select themselves.

Admirer: Knows which player is the Serial Killer, though the Killer does not know who their admirers are (nor do the admirers know each other). They have no special powers of their own, but once the original Serial Killer dies, one of them will be randomly chosen to become the new Killer (and the third after that). Admirers would show up as innocent to a Cop, but once they become Serial Killers themselves they aren't skilled enough to avoid detection, so unlike the normal SK they become vulnerable to Cops, Watchers, Trackers, and the like. Admirers win the game when they and the Serial Killer outnumber the Town + Mafia.

I think the Serial Killer should have a one-shot bulletproof vest that protects them against a Mafia, Paranoid Gun Owner, or Gunsmith kill once and then is used up. How does that sound to you?

Hey Cas, just a few reminders. The Mafia all go in one thread (set all of the players as 'Mafia') and you'll have to post in the main Mafia thread which one is which. Each Admirer should have their own thread (assign one as Admirer 1 and the other as Admirer 2). Make the Mafia thread last so it goes on top (we can cement the main thread). And remember to change the Thread id of main post in the Mafia panel to match the main thread--it'll be the numbers at the end of the URL. Good luck, and be careful so we can hopefully avoid restarts! :)

You mean for the Watcher/Tracker/Journalist? Yeah, you'd tell them if they just didn't visit anyone, and you'd give names if they did visit.

As for the chiefsonny thing...doesn't make any sense, really, and I'm not sure how to fix it. Try messaging Xhin?

Yeah, PM them if they receive a gun, unless they have a thread all to themselves.

And since OOG and Night Talk are on, make sure you don't resolve any of the night actions until you're actually ending the night round. :)

Okay. Also, one more thing: you'll notice that I made a 'Silenced' role. You can just reassign that to whoever the Silencer chooses each round, and it'll prevent them from posting in the main thread. :)