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game 26 mafia thread

Posted March 26, 2014 by Castrael

Sorry if it's nothing fancy. I'm rushing. And, I just woke up.

  • Hello, Count Dooku! You are the Mafia Investigator! You get to Investigate someone each night.

  • Hello, hezekiah! You are the Thug! As a Thug, when a Mafia member dies you take over their role. You can also choose to sacrifice yourself for a Mafia member during the day!

    *Hello, Black Yoshi! You are the Silencer! You'll be able to select one person to silent the next day round.

  • Hello, The Bandit! You are the Executioner! Can choose to kill any player who reaches 1/3 of the votes during the day round. The player(s) will die at the end of the day round, and at least one vote must come from a non-Mafia member

  • Hello, MajorasMask9! You are the Ninja! You are immune to detection by the Watcher and Tracker.

  • Hello, EvilGuy0613! You are the lonely Mafiaso with a factional kill. Who do you kill?

    Good luck!!

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    You guys, I really love this team

    March 26, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I wish I could take a hit for anyone during day rounds, not just mafia...

    March 26, 2014
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    hezekiah

    I hope I did everything right :$

    March 26, 2014
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    Castrael

    Lot of things to worry about this game... The beginning's always a crapshoot, so instead of wasting a bunch of time on hypotheticals I'll wait for a little bit and see what scenarios we could immediately discard.

    Cas: please post the Night Action Priority in the main thread

    We should definitely have MajorasMask9 (our Ninja) cast the first vote for our nightkill target every time.

    The Bandit (as Executioner) will be a powerful tool. Depending on activity level, we may be able to sneak multiple kills into a single round. It would be incredible if we were able to coordinate (on Skype, perhaps) and simply bounce our votes around between enough other people to win the game off of 5 or 6 executions in one round. That'd be awesome.

    March 26, 2014
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    hezekiah

    You guys, I really love this team

    This. A lot of this.

    March 26, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Accidentally clicked on the Dead thread instead of the mafia thread and found it open for viewing. You should probably check all the threads to be sure that they're locked down to the specific role.

    March 26, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Good catch, Bandit. I see there were 2 separate Dead Threads made; there's one we all can see (86666) and one we can't (86664). As such, I assume 86664 is the true Dead Thread. Therefore, I un-stickied and locked 86666. If Cas wants, I belive I can merge it into the Host Thread to prevent unnecessary confusion.

    March 26, 2014
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    hezekiah

    I just sent notifications to Dooku and BY, hopefully they show up tonight.

    March 26, 2014
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    hezekiah

    believe*

    March 26, 2014
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    hezekiah

    Yeah, one of the dead threads was a mistake on my part and I was trying to tag it, but NOP.

    March 27, 2014
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    Castrael

    Alright I'm here. So I'm guessing nobody can see this but us.

    Still new to how things are working around here but I'll get the hang of it. :)

    March 27, 2014
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    EvilGuy0613

    Hey all. Looks like a good team.

    If things hold, I'm going to have a hard time staying alive as the game goes on. So I'm going to take a risk and investigate someone tonight.

    Any suggestions?

    March 27, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    It's definitely a risk. There are three roles that can watch movements, and the Paranoid Gun Owner isn't predictable at all. But I do agree it's worth taking the risk now. So long as we don't investigate the PGO, I doubt an investigative role (besides Journalist of ocurse) would reveal their results this early.

    And yep! @ EvilGuy, only we can see the replies in this thread. You'll get used to it, it's definitely a lot more convenient than sending PMs to each team member individually :).

    March 27, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Well as for your target, Dooku... Redack's the only non-mafia I've seen really put any effort into the night round analysis-wise. Slightly indicates he'd just be a Townie (any power role would be more likely to keep their thoughts in private, I'd expect).

    tl;dr just pick someone

    March 27, 2014
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    hezekiah

    As for who we should investigate, I don't really have one specific person in mind. Maybe it would be best to target a "power player" early on instead of after they draw attention to themselves? The big three people I'm worried about just based on previous games are Apollo, Speed, and Redack. Idk though, like I said it's a risk either way you look at it, since they'll probably be more likely to be watched in the first rounds regardless.

    March 27, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Well, with so many players, I don't see us pulling any punches and playing nice guy. So we're probably going to just kill Redack/Lancer/Apollo right off the bat, unless you give us a good Investigation target. Not too much point in investigating them then, imo. Perhaps a good player who is not usually going get the ax on Night 1, similar to our Night 1 Jo Nathan kill last game.

    Or, one of our brand new players who we know nothing about would also be a good target, since we're unlikely to kill them because we want them to hang around for future games. How great would it be if one of them is the Tracker and we just murder him without remorse on Night 1, and he has to sit in the dead thread for what will probably be like a month long game. {:D}

    March 27, 2014
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    The Bandit

    If we're going to go after white lancer I'm going to have to get some walls of text written up, because right now he's an uncounterclaimed host :(.

    March 27, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Hint: murder plots against me usually go better when they're not in threads I can see. ^_^

    March 27, 2014
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    white lancer

    If you bother doing that, I'd totally cast my vote for him.

    March 27, 2014
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    hezekiah

    {:P}

    At least I'm not being voted for.

    March 27, 2014
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    Castrael

    HEY WHATEVER ILL KILL WHO I WANT

    March 27, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Well damn. I missed it. Sorry guys.

    March 27, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    Sorry I'm late, choir tour's been exhaustingly busy and last night I had zero Internet access whatsoever via laptop. Anyhoo, I do have several folks in mind for Silencing tonight, namely Speed and some of the newbies-to-GTx0.

    And after that last game that Majora hosted, I seriously think Speed should be one of the first to die by our hand. His gut instincts are usually right on, and when he has a target, he's like a bloodthirsty hyena. With him out, I feel like we'll have a much better shot at really blending in.

    March 28, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    And after that last game that Majora hosted, I seriously think Speed should be one of the first to die by our hand. His gut instincts are usually right on, and when he has a target, he's like a bloodthirsty hyena. With him out, I feel like we'll have a much better shot at really blending in.

    I agree 100%. He's also part of a an OOG clique that can give us issues.

    Speed and Apollo really should be on the hitlist ASAP.

    March 28, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    I don't know what to make of all the Redack votes, tbh. Serial Killers are going to want a lynch every day round, but idk. Really weird.

    March 28, 2014
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    The Bandit

    What do we make of the Bandit votes? Easy: get him a few more votes so Bandit can execute him!

    March 28, 2014
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    hezekiah

    of the Redack* votes

    March 28, 2014
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    hezekiah

    Redack now has 1/3 of the max votes.

    FINISH HIM, BANDIT

    March 29, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Free kill I suppose. Hopefully he was something useful.

    March 29, 2014
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    EvilGuy0613

    I think either way he'd have been a big threat in the long run, so it's good that we can get him executed now. It's a kill in our favor and it's free from being seen by the Watch/Tracker/Journalist, and there's no risk of dying if he's the Paranoid Gun Ownder.

    Plus, with Shadowwalked taking his vote off immediately after Redack reached 8 votes, with Speed not noticing that Redack had already reached 8 votes, and with Jo Nathan also following quickly after, we have a few people that the town might find suspicious when Redack ends up executed.

    March 29, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Um, can he die please? Idk whats happening but kill him.

    March 29, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Also I know it's still a bit early, but in regard to the thoughts on silencer targets, does anyone think it might be a good idea to hold off on silencing until later in the game, or should we just go all out with our abilities on the early game?

    My biggest concern is the Paranoid Gun Owner. The more people we target at night, the more likely it is we'll run into them. Additionally, the more likely it will be that a Journalist/Watcher/Tracker get results on us.

    Silencing doesn't really seem too beneficial to us in the beginning of the game (imo, anyway.) It would be more useful later in the game when the ratio is closer, when we may also have a better idea of who the power roles are. For all we know the PGO might roleclaim in Day 2, like when Feral unexpectedly claimed Oracle in the game I hosted.

    Just something to think about. I think we should definitely use our Investigator power every night, because any definitive role information can be used to out advantage.

    March 29, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Execution target noted. It'll happen at the end of the round.

    March 29, 2014
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    white lancer

    You may now select someone to investigate, someone to silence, and someone to kill.

    March 30, 2014
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    white lancer

    I think we should kill Apollo or Speed. I would lean toward Apollo but either will do.

    I will investigate Lady Flare if there are no objections. Although perhaps I should investigate whichever of the two - Apollo or Speed - that we don't kill.

    March 30, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    Between Speed and Apollo, whichever one we don't kill should be silenced and killed tomorrow night-round.

    Also lucky break taking out the serial killer so early on. Now for the Admirers...

    March 30, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    I think it's better to investigate the less "notable" players, in hopes that we can avoid detection by the Town's roles.

    I'm gonna keep complaining about Hindenburg until something is done about him. He is so fucking worthless in mafia.

    There will definitely be additional scrutiny on those of us who voted for Redack. I got no sense from Apollo that she's a power role, so she may not be a great option. Further, Speed may draw suspicion for "miscounting" the Executioner count.

    I'm getting a funky vibe from Bubba, I think he may be worth taking out tonight. Remember that we want Majora to cast the first official vote for our kill target to make use of the Ninja ability.

    March 30, 2014
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    hezekiah

    It's definitely a good thing that the serial killer is dead. Could at least rule some people out as admirers, depending on their reaction toward voting for Redack, especially when they knew an Executor was in play.

    Whoever we decide to kill, we should make sure I'm the first to vote. A bit of a risk on my end because of the PGO but definitely worth it for Watcher/Tracker avoiding (@lancer: Can the Journalist see my night kills, or no?)

    Any thoughts on investigation targets? Or more thoughts on who to kill?

    March 30, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Executioner*!!!

    March 30, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I believe the PGO would kill me instead of you, Majora. Not sure about that, however.

    Remember that there is a NEW Serial Killer to worry about now. So yes, analyzing who steadfastly wanted NOT to kill Redack could prove useful.

    March 30, 2014
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    hezekiah

    I'm in favor of Investigating not so obvious, but still powerful, players (Jo Nathan, Lady Flare, PN etc) OR any of the newer players. I don't see much point in Investigating Apollo or Speed since we're probably just going to kill them in the next night round anyway.

    The problem with going after Apollo, as I mentioned in the last game, is that she is a power player who everyone likes, so she's like 3x as likely to get picked by the Nurse to protect. It happened to me the time before last that I was mafia and her surviving the first night round pretty much changed the entire game, as everyone trusted her spot on analysis on Day2 since she was a confirmed innocent. Because of this, we may want to go after Speed, who would still be a good kill.

    There's also a problem with Silencing/then killing a player. Any perceptive Nurse is going to realize that someone talkative like Speed or Apollo was silenced, and this may tip them off to protect the silenced target on Night2. It's a pretty see-through strategy for these kind of power players imo, so I'm not sure how I feel about it. I think I agree with Majora that we should hold off on Silencing.

    However, I remember several games back Feral was the Silencer and Silenced himself, and everyone was like "why would someone silence Feral" and so it led us to lynching him. If we want to try something fancy we could silence someone that no one expects us to silence , and it might lead the Town to the same conclusions they had about Feral way back when. Just an idea, it may or may not work.

    Or we could just silence Hidenburg to shut him up for a day.

    March 30, 2014
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    The Bandit

    The Journalist cannot see the Ninja's night kills.

    March 30, 2014
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    white lancer

    Oh, kind of slipped my mind, but I was going to point out that Redack contacted me in private like he usually does last night, before he died.

    Basically he said that he was suspicious of me and hezekiah (idk how he determined this.) I mentioned that I had minor suspicious of Shadowwalked, Speed, and Jo Nathan for their posts immediately after Redack got 8 votes and Redack said he was only suspicious of Speed, out of those three.

    Could just be him spouting nonsense to throw me off, but it's something to consider. Do you guys think Speed could be an admirer? What about Shadowwalked or Jo Nathan?

    March 30, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    And I know that the SK doesn't know who their admirers are but I think Redack has shown he has some supernatural ability to determine who's mafia or not. Just something to consider :).

    March 30, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I only think that we should kill Apollo now because she may be seen as 'less important' while she isn't making lengthy posts.

    The alternative is that I find her role tonight and we have the ninja get her tomorrow while we kill someone else.

    Either way I think she needs to go before she can make a difference for the town.

    March 31, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    I remember way back in Game 2 or 3 or so, I was Silencer and I silenced hezekiah the Cop on one night and killed him the following night, and all the while the Town was begging the Cop to come out of hiding. If we do something like that here, only with someone the Town isn't expecting to be Silenced, it could throw them for more loops than a rollercoaster...or it could backfire catastrophically.

    Whatever happens, I still think Speed should die tonight.

    March 31, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    My thoughts at the moment (I'll definitely have a name posted for a kill before the night round ends):

    -Apollo: I'm not really a fan of killing people because of how strong they were in previous games. For Apollo I'm a little nervous though, because I do feel like people trust her a lot and she'll get information quicker. Our best defense against this would probably just be to avoid talking to her about the game OOG (and if she does talk to you OOG, just lie without hesitation.) As the game goes on, she might be more likely to be protected or in a position where it might give us problems, but just on principle I think I'd rather have her killed next round at the earliest. Feel free to disagree though!

    Speed: Same as Apollo in regard to killing power players simply for being power players. I also think it might be better if he's alive because if anyone decides to throw suspicion his way, I might be able to put up a bit of a defense for him. Seems counter-intuitive but it could win some brownie points.

    Jo Nathan: We should keep alive. His activity in regard to Redack's votes seemed suspicious, which we could probably use in our favor.

    Hindenburg/Kyon/eXcavator: Were the last to vote for Redack. I think these guys are likely not admirers.

    Kyon/Marvalo: We should keep alive. I don't expect them to be too active, Marvalo might be if he gets his account info sorted out, Kyon rarely posts though.

    I think Dooku investigating Apollo would be a good idea. At least that way we'd have info on her and know how potentially dangerous she'd be. IDK, maybe it's just me, but I've always been pretty vocally against killing people early just because they're good, so I'd rather Speed/Apollo in particular be killed at least Day 2 or later.

    I know I originally mentioned that Shadowwalked/Speed/Jo Nathan's actions in regard to Redack's votes could be used against them and in our favor, but in retrospect I think only Speed and Jo are the only ones that could be. I feel like Shadowwalked's is fairly typical Shadowwalked and the way he took his vote off immediately after Redack got 8 votes is something a mafia member would never do. If I was town-sided, I'd probably defend him in that situation. So I might be leaning more toward a Shadowwalked kill in that case.

    March 31, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I'm advocating for Apollo based solely on the fact that OOG is allowed. People WILL approach her OOG with information if she can be verified.

    I'll investigate Apollo tonight, and I vote that we kill Speed.

    March 31, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    Okay sorry im here guys. Meant to post earlier but got preoccupied with other things. (Drama.)

    Anyways while I agree that taking out power players are a good choice I do feel like they're the ones that are likely to be protected. (Assuming the nurse knows what they are doing.)

    It might be a good gamble but im more for trying to take out the nurse are a player slightly below the power players.

    March 31, 2014
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    EvilGuy0613

    I'm still kind of against it, but for the sake of having a kill in place, I'm going to vote to kill Speed Bike Pro.

    (I would like to use the Ninja ability here lancer, but I'm just wondering if it'll work that way since I'm the second vote. I'd be taking responsibility if we hit the PGO, right?)

    March 31, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Oh right... forgot about the Ninja thing.

    I change my vote to EvilGuy0613!!!

    March 31, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand...

    I change my nightkill vote back to Speed Bike Pro!

    March 31, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    Looks like we're killing Speed Bike Pro then...and let's silence Hindenburg just for the hell of it. I'll make more intelligent decisions about whom to silence in later rounds.

    March 31, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    I know there are still a lot of players and the odds of hitting the PGO are pretty low, but I am so nervous going into the next day for all of us (:S). Hopefully this night turns out as fortunate at Day 1 went :).

    March 31, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    With luck it'll be a town aligned role that hits the PGO and then we'll know who to avoid. PGO is as much a threat to us as an assistant as long as they remain hidden.

    March 31, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    RIP hezekiah :(...

    At least we should be able to determine who the PGO is by the end of this round, based on Investigator results/Silencer results. I'd much rather Hindenburg be the PGO than Apollo.

    March 31, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Not quite as fortunate, I'm afraid...although Dooku does uncover information at the scene of hezekiah's demise that Apollo Justice is the new Serial Killer.

    March 31, 2014
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    white lancer

    I'm totally OK with those results. Knowing who the PGO is will be a huge advantage for us.

    March 31, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Oh boy, now I'm really excited.

    March 31, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Very huge advantage. I'm actually not too bummed by this night round. We learned Hindy is the PGO and Apollo is the Serial Killer. I think we definitely have the upper hand here.

    March 31, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I think it shouldn't be too much trouble to get Apollo day lynched, if killing her is the route we want to take. We only have to outnumber the SKs, not eliminate them, so leaving them alive is fine.

    March 31, 2014
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    The Bandit

    We could also send someone to her and form an alliance. The SKs have to eliminate a massive number of people, and since we know who she is and can kill her whenever we want, she might consider herself forced to kill the targets we give her. If she doesn't, we kill her and move on with our lives.

    March 31, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Should also be worth pointing out that an inherent flaw with the Serial Killer/Admirer roles are that with OOG allowed, the Admirers probably know who each other are. Apollo would tell Redack that she's an Admirer, someone else would tell Redack that they're the Admirer, Redack would relay the info back to the admirers.

    I guess what also should be worth noting is that only Speed Bike Pro was killed. I assume Apollo would have been able to target someone last night round, meaning she would have targeted Speed or someone who was nurse protected.

    March 31, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I think we may have jumped to a conclusion. It's possible Apollo targeted hezekiah and that Hidenburg isn't PGO.

    March 31, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Yeah, I actually read the post instead of scanning for names:

    He would have given his life for his fellow Mafia members, but he never thought he'd be targeted himself--farewell to hezekiah, the Thug.

    March 31, 2014
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    The Bandit

    That's definitely a possibility Bandit, but before we make a move like that we should think it through very carefully. It could backfire completely and have us down another number if she doesn't go along with it. We'd need to make an offer that's appealing to both the SK/Admirer and us as a group, and considering we have a large numbers advantage over the SK group, I don't think they'd be too willing to cooperate unless they get a better chance of winning out of it.

    March 31, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Oh. That... is a little disappointing :(...

    March 31, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I lean toward Hezekiah being a target, not a victim of the PGO. Host will have to confirm, but I do not believe the thug takes the fall if the investigator/silencer walks into the PGO.

    We could also send someone to her and form an alliance. The SKs have to eliminate a massive number of people, and since we know who she is and can kill her whenever we want, she might consider herself forced to kill the targets we give her. If she doesn't, we kill her and move on with our lives.

    I... am really not in favor of such a strategy. I'd prefer we just kill her and reduce the chance that one of us is targetted.

    The issue with trying to control her is that she's perceptive. As we feed her targets she'll narrow down who we are. Then she can use this information against us in conjunction with the town to whittle down our numbers. She'll also be further aided by whatever OOG information is passed her way.

    Unfortunately, now that SBP is dead the nurse may have reason to protect Apollo. I'm unsure if we'd be able to kill her tonight.

    I would tentatively propose that we reveal Apollo when one of us is certain to be lynched. It SHOULD earn us a free round while the town lynches her. Of course, this could backfire if the town puts her on a short leash and uses her as a second lynch...

    March 31, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    Yes, it obviously has potential consequences, but I don't think she would have a choice. They have to stay alive through 12 townies and 5 mafia (4 if they just kill our ambassador). If you're in Apollo's shoes, would you trust your one remaining member to stay alive through all that? With a billion tracking roles still out there? Even if that player is absolutely amazing, it's so unlikely that he could could make it to the end. I mean, I don't see it happening.

    I think the best chance for her would be to go along with it (as she isn't losing anything by killing all those townies since she has to anyway), and use the info we give her to get an idea of who the mafia is. Then strike later on when it suits her. This gives her an understanding of who the mafia is, and keeps her from killing any of our guys for a while (AND it means that when she does go after one of our own, we know we won't lose a powerful role that first time). It already is pretty advantageous to both sides.

    In addition, we may learn who the other SK is. If she goes along with it for one night round, then betrays us the second night, the second target we gave her is probably her Admirer.

    I mean, I'm fine with just trying to get her day lynched or killing her outright too. This is just a suggestion, and I'm not going to be grumpy if you guys disagree. But I don't want us to not consider it because our ambassador is guaranteed to die. We're going to lose members y'all. It's just going to happen. At least this way we can have some control over who we lose.

    March 31, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Whatever we do, I'm definitely not in favor of us night killing her tonight.

    March 31, 2014
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    The Bandit

    I just have a very bad feeling about trying to make her play ball with us. She'll get enough info OOG without us handing her a mafia member.

    I'd personally like to take her out tonight, but I suspect that's the minority position.

    March 31, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    I think it's a good idea for a few reasons:

    (1)We could control who she kills to a degree.
    (2)Two deaths in our favor at night, with only one of us risking hitting the PGO.
    (3)We could easily back out early, she wouldn't be able to.

    She would probably be very likely to go along with us. We know that she's the Serial Killer meaning we could and have good reason to just kill her now. Not to mention, the Serial Killers/Admirers really got on the team with little to no chance of winning on their own. It's a team of two that needs to make it to the end of a 21 player game, with mafia and a PGO in play.

    I think if we go to her with an offer they'd be willing to take it because even though it's a risk to trust us, it gives them a better shot at making it further. It gives us a better shot of making it further (extra protection from PGO, more votes in our favor if need be. Numbers are everything.)

    I understand Dooku's concerns though and I don't think we should jump into this by any means, or even hint at it in any way. We have three days for this day round to discuss it with everyone else and I'd like to see what Black Yoshi/EvilGuy think

    March 31, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Also, the Serial Killer's kill has priority over ours at night. Something else to keep in mind. My biggest concern right now is that Apollo probably shot at one of us that wasn't hezekiah. If that's the case, she knows one of us is mafia already and will probably kill them again next round.

    March 31, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Hrm... there's an alternative.

    If we find out who the PGO is (likely by one of us dying to them) we can always offer this alliance to her and then promptly send her to her death against the PGO.

    Also guys, what's the definition of the Admirer role? I'm unable to find it in any of the documents. Would be nice if host could clarify.

    March 31, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    The Admirer is sided with the Serial Killer. The Admirers know who the Serial Killer is, but they don't know who the other Admirer is, and the Serial Killer doesn't know who the Admirers are. When the SK dies, a random admirer becomes the SK. They win if they outnumber everyone alive (mafia and town included.)

    Unfortunately, with OOG allowed, I imagine the first thing Apollo would do is contact Redack telling him she's an admirer. I imagine the other admirer would do the same.

    March 31, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Host question: should we know whether or not hezekiah saved one of us with his thug ability? Just curious!

    March 31, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Another reason why I might want to cooperate with Apollo, there's a good chance if she's the "Serial Killer" (role) that she's following Redack's leads, as he specifically told me he mentioned me/Hezekiah/Speed as players to take out first in his thread. With Speed and hez dead, I imagine I'll probably be her next target.

    If we do decide we want to cooperate with her, I'd be willing to be the one that relays information for us.

    March 31, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    The Thug would sacrifice themselves to save a Mafia member from a PGO kill. I'm not going to confirm or deny whether hezekiah's Thug ability triggered last night, though.

    April 1, 2014
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    white lancer

    Then this quote:

    He would have given his life for his fellow Mafia members, but he never thought he'd be targeted himself--farewell to hezekiah, the Thug.


    is very, very misleading.

    April 1, 2014
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    The Bandit

    It's possible you're reading too much into what is essentially flavor text. Then again, it's also possible you've discovered a minor hint as to what happened that I dropped when I was rushing to get the night round finished. Make of that what you will. ;)

    April 1, 2014
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    white lancer

    I should also point out that I'm not going to deliberately mislead people in the main thread. There are a few things I'm not going to explicitly confirm or deny, but that's just because I want everyone to draw their conclusions based on the same basic information I give them in that case. That clarify it a little better? :)

    April 1, 2014
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    white lancer

    If we find out who the PGO is (likely by one of us dying to them) we can always offer this alliance to her and then promptly send her to her death against the PGO.


    I don't exactly see how this would work...

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    Black Yoshi

    I've still been thinking about the possible "working with the Serial Killer/Admirer" plan.

    Pros for us:
    +We can direct the Serial Killer's kills away from us.
        +Less likely for us to die at night.
        +More likely for the SK to die from the PGO.
    +If the SK knows who the last admirer is, we may be able to deduce who that is.

    Cons for us:
    -We're putting some amount of trust into a team that wants to win.
    -They could decide to not go along with it and kill whoever we have negotiating with them.
    -There's always the possibility they could gain an upper hand as the game progresses.

    Pros for the SK/admirer:
    +We won't kill the current Serial Killer--whose identity we already know--meaning they'll make it further into the game.
    +They could possibly deduce who the rest of the mafia are with who we decide to have the SK kill.

    Cons for the SK/admirer:
    -They'd be more likely to hit the PGO if we don't let them kill mafia members.

    I could be missing some, but this is how I see it right now. Most of those pros/cons go hand in hand with the other team's. So I think what we should focus on is:

    +We can direct the Serial Killer's kills away from us.

    and determine how beneficial this would be for us, and whether or not it would be worth the negatives. IMO, I think it's favorable for us to make the offer, because having two kills in our favor would be a huge power advantage. Additionally, I think the immediate benefit for the Serial Killer (us not killing them in Night 2) is enough to make them want to go along with it.

    If we decide against the offer, we're making a "safe" choice, which isn't bad, but there will be a risk that Apollo will target one of us in the night (since her kill has priority over ours) and that the new SK after her (whose identity is unknown) will kill one of us as well.

    April 1, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Eh.

    What the hell. We could kill them and play the same mafia-vs-town game we always play, or we could team up and try to cause some chaos.

    As long as we keep a close eye on her and try to track what she knows I'd say go ahead and have MM9 contact her. It'll make this game far more interesting at least.

    April 2, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    Lol, Kyon clearly knows Hindy was silenced and thinks that means Feral is mafia. That might add to the discussion a bit.

    I'd definitely be willing to be the one to contact Apollo if we want to do that. But I would like to hear if there are any major objections to this. I'd be talking for all of us and would obviously not give any names up, so worst case we'd lose a ninja. Best case we'll have a better chance of making it further in the game.

    April 2, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Being silenced, Hidenburg isn't allowed to discuss the game OOG either right? Not accusing him, just making sure.

    April 2, 2014
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    The Bandit

    He's not. But I know Kyon and Hindenburg do talk off-site a lot, so I wouldn't be surprised if he did tell Kyon.

    April 2, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    If anything, mayhap tonight, mayhap later in the game, I could actually silence one of us. Would really throw the town for a loop.

    April 2, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    If anything, mayhap tonight, mayhap later in the game, I could actually silence one of us. Would really throw the town for a loop.

    Eh sorta. I've noticed the town REALLY doesn't put much into the 'but I was silenced, I can't be Mafia' line of reasoning.

    April 2, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    Usually the best way to convince someone that you're mafia is to do something that would only hurt the mafia as a whole to gain security on an individual level. But since that means hurting the mafia as a whole, you usually won't see it done. It's a risk.

    As for silencing one of our own, I think the only way it would work is if the Silencer was seen visiting the person, but that would give up Black Yoshi. And even then, with Serial Killers in play, it might not be the biggest benefit to us because the town might just assume they're a SK/Admirer, if they're overly suspicious.

    April 2, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    that you're not mafia**

    April 2, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Yeah, the Town is very aware of the "silence one of your own" strategy, which is why I think Silencing Hidenburg is going to pay off for us. There's really no reason for us to have done that, and when it becomes apparent that Hidenburg was really silenced, they're going to start wondering why and will hopefully think that we did silence one of our own.

    April 2, 2014
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    The Bandit

    I just talked to Apollo. She's willing to work together. She seems a bit discouraged because the Serial Killer/Admirers are so underpowered this game, but would still be willing to work with us as long as it would keep her alive for a bit longer.

    According to her she doesn't have any idea who the second admirer is.

    April 2, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    If she's telling the truth, then it seems likely that the Admirer is a new player. Absolutely no reason to believe her, however.

    I guess we should start thinking about how long we want to keep her alive and who we want to send her to. I don't think it would be a good idea to keep her around for more than two or three night rounds, but others might disagree and want to just ride it out and let her betray us when she wants. Both have some advantages.

    As far as targets go, I think PN, Bubba, or Jo Nathan would all be good targets for us to go after.

    April 2, 2014
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    The Bandit

    I'll throw in that I still think Shadowwalked would be a good/necessary kill target eventually. I don't think we'd be able to make a good case for him to be lynched.

    April 2, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Welp the journalist saw me. GG no re.

    April 3, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    There isn't much I can claim on the role list at first glance. Would have to be tracker or watcher, but then I won't be able to explain how I didn't get taken out last round.

    If Apollo is willing to play ball we might have a chance to delay my death. I can claim serial killer and throw myself at the mercy of the town. As I said previously, they may elect to keep 'the serial killer' around as their stand-in vigilante.

    April 3, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    Although nurse is another option. Depends who the real nurse happens to be - they may wait a round or two before calling me out.

    April 3, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    I think claiming Nurse might be the best option. Like you said, it would put the real Nurse in a position where they would either have to counterclaim to say "hey, this guy is fake, I'm the real Nurse" or they'd lay low and not claim. Given how early in the game it is, I think they'd lay low.

    The downside to that would be if they don't counterclaim, they might use their ability to roleblock you. This could put them at risk for our/Apollo's night kill though, so it would be a benefit.

    April 3, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    could be a benefit*

    April 3, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I don't advise claiming Serial Killer as that would give Apollo knowledge of two of our members- not something I'm comfortable with at all.

    Flare dismissing you is a pretty good sign- might be a lead the Town will follow, or it might make her look somewhat suspicious later on.

    I'm not really sure where I should go from here- I think the best move for the Town is to just lynch you, but there seems to be a lot of support for Kyon, so hopefully that will work out for this round and us mafia members can maybe throw you under next round to give us some brownie points. At the very least, maybe it will be split down the middle and I can execute someone.

    April 3, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Of course, if Apollo does get a bit curious as to whom your teammates are, at that point we can just kill her to get her out of the way.

    April 3, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    Yeah, as I see it this alliance with Apollo is very low risk for us as a group.

    The SK/Admirers were very, very underpowered this game to where the chances of them winning are abysmally low. Them taking an opportunity like this increases their chances of winning by a lot, but it's still very low as a whole. I think the benefit of two kills in our favor will show over time, though.

    April 3, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    @white lancer, just wondering what your take on Hindenburg talking to Kyon OOG while silenced is. Kyon recently admitted in the main thread that Hindenburg told Kyon he was silenced.

    From the mafia rules:

    Silencing - If you are silenced, you may not post in the Mafia forum or post anywhere else if your post relates to the game.

    Also, if you post game sensitive information while Silenced, you will be penalized player point(s).


    And I'd think confirming you were silenced would count as game-sensitive information considering there are still at least 5 other people who haven't spoken.

    I honestly don't really think this would need a host-kill or anything extreme, because if anything it's working out in our favor, but I mostly wanted to bring attention to it because this was a pretty big problem on that other site I mention, and seems like a major problem in any mafia setting that isn't IRL (people revealing info while silenced when talking to other players, even if it's just "I was silenced.") I really doubt Hindenburg intended to break any rules though. Just thought it might need addressing in some small way.

    April 3, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    ...having read through the back half or so of the main thread, I've a pretty good idea that Kyon might be the Journalist. I came across the Journalist's Night 0 report:

    Apollo Justice stayed in for the evening on night 0. Hah, what a loser.


    That last bit just screams Kyon, espeically when combined with the fact that every single time Kyon references Hindenburg, he calls him Hindenbutt or Hindenpoop or Hindensomthingrelated.

    April 3, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    I'd agree with that. I think there's an OK chance that he's the Journalist. Would be a nice surprise :).

    April 3, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Yeah that would be great. A day lynch is the only viable way to take out the journalist. And he's a pretty dangerous role, as he's pretty much forced to help the town if he wants get points.

    April 3, 2014
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    The Bandit

    *especially

    Damn it, NOW I notice that?

    (Not screaming at you guys, just noticed a misspelling in my above post.)

    April 3, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    Guys quick question before I respond in main.

    When we murder someone, the first person to vote for the murder does the killing, right? The rest of us 'stay in our house' as far as watcher/journalist/tracker are concerned?

    April 3, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    That's correct. Unless you do something like Investigate/Silence.

    April 3, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I like you planting the idea that you considered claiming a different role. Might give the Nurse pause to reveal as you could really be the Tracker/Watcher trying to fuck with the mafia.

    {y}

    April 3, 2014
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    The Bandit

    If i had realized the round was over I would have held off on explaining myself. As it stands I've just given the real nurse all night to figure out what to do/who to confide in.

    April 3, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    Majora, I agree with your stance on the Silencing and I was going to address it in the Night thread...however, I am concerned that doing so will essentially confirm that Hindenburg was silenced last night. Is that something you guys care about?

    Also, time to kill, silence, investigate.

    April 4, 2014
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    white lancer

    If anything Hindenburg being silenced seemed to help us. So I personally wouldn't mind. Maybe address it in a way that doesn't confirm or deny that Hindenburg was silenced?

    As for tonight, I think Dooku should definitely investigate someone. He was already seen by the Journalist so him leaving his house wouldn't be unusual.

    Black Yoshi could silence someone but it doesn't seem necessary right now and might be a risk.

    We should pick a night kill target to give to Apollo. I don't know if she has anyone in mind that she wants to kill or if she even wants to take a guess, but I'll give updates on that when she's available.

    April 4, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    If you're not going to do something immediate, like host killing him, then I think I would prefer if you didn't say anything. Others might not care, though.

    It may be better if one of us brings it up (someone who hasn't spoken), and then you confirm it. Idk if that would be like you collaborating with us or whatever for our benefit, but I think in this situation it's OK.

    April 4, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Yeah, that's true Majora. Idk. I like to keep the Town guessing. It's not really a big deal either way though.

    April 4, 2014
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    The Bandit

    As far as who to kill- Bubba, PN, or Shadow would be my top picks (in no particular order). I'm OK with leaving Jo Nathan though. We killed him first night last game and maybe he deserves a break.

    April 4, 2014
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    The Bandit

    On second thought- maybe we should go after some of the new guys. I don't know how any of them play obviously, but none of them seem particularly engaged, and some of them could be using that to hide behind a power role.

    April 4, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Also, as for Journalist suspects, it seems extremely likely that the Journalist isn't someone new, isn't Marvalo, and isn't Hindenburg. That leaves:

    `Roxas`
    Jo Nathan
    Feral Wolf
    Lady Flare
    Bubba
    chiefsonny
    Shadowwalked
    Pirate_Ninja

    As for writing style, it was very brief and didn't add any extraneous details (besides Apollo being a loser.) It seems unlike Pirate_Ninja who would probably have fun with the ability, but then again I think Pirate_Ninja would be the most likely of the group to cover up his writing style so well.

    The Journalist article came very late and IIRC Bubba and Shadowwalked appeared later in the round.

    April 4, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Haven't been able to read all the post since I'm busy at the moment. (All the post starting from when Kyon was assumed to be the journalist.) I'll read all of them tonight.

    But looks like the day kind of worked in our favor since a town person died. Looks like it may have bought Count some survival time so I guess whatever we do tonight we have to hit the town good. If it's true what you say about who ever is the first to vote does the killing then maybe Count should kill tonight?

    (Will post more once I read all the replies.)

    April 4, 2014
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    EvilGuy0613

    Better if Majora does the killing tonight -- his role protects him from detection by Tracker, Watcher, or Journalist (unless he's been Nursed), and so whomever we decide to kill each night, Majora should always be the first to vote.

    That said, I don't have any ideas on whom to silence, but it seems as if it would be better for me not to silence anyone tonight. Mayhap we can glean something about those Journalist entries once Hindenburg posts again.

    April 4, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    Apollo's going to pick a nightkill target early in the afternoon tomorrow (today.) We should probably have a name in mind before then.

    Bubba, Shadowwalked, and Pirate_Ninja were brought up by The Bandit, Bubba and Shadowwalked by me.

    I don't particularly think Black Yoshi should silence anyone. The less people we have walking around at night the better. I do think Count Dooku should investigate someone, though. It would give us another investigation result, and he's already been seen by the Journalist, so it wouldn't be too suspicious if he's seen again.

    April 4, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I will investigate Lady Flare, if there are no objections.

    April 4, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    No objections here. You guys have any more thoughts on night kills?

    April 4, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Whatever we do we need to do it fast. I'd say we kill Pirate_Ninja? (NOT A VOTE MR. HOST)

    I'd also say that Apollo should kill Bubba.

    April 4, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    Apollo mentioned wanting to kill either The Bandit or SDYoshi. I'm trying to persuade her to go with SDYoshi.

    April 4, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I thought the idea was that WE tell HER who to kill. It shouldn't be a discussion. Tell her to kill Bubba or this will never work.

    April 4, 2014
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    The Bandit

    I thought I mentioned what my thoughts were for this alliance: we give her a name, she gives us a name, there's discussion to work out any problems we have with the choices. I'll try to ask her to kill Bubba but idk.

    My reasoning for that is just to keep her from turning on us so easily out of spite or anything like that. She's in a position where she's accepted she's probably going to lose and just wants to have fun while she can. By giving her a choice for a kill (within reason) at least she's still doing her own thing. If we tell her exactly what to do in the game I don't see any reason why she wouldn't just turn on us.

    April 4, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    If we don't tell her exactly what to do, then we run into all the problems that goes along with this plan. She learns who each of us are. Based on how you handled that exchange, she could already know that I'm mafia. That would mean she know you and I, and Dooku's days are already numbered.

    While you may feel like the SK has no chance of winning, that in no way means that they can't keep us from winning. We don't know who the last SK is, and if Apollo and him are in contact, he could absolutely wreck us when the time comes. The only way this will work to our advantage is if Apollo is a puppet. If it works as a discussion, then I really think we should drop this and kill her now.

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    The Bandit

    My reasoning for that is just to keep her from turning on us so easily out of spite or anything like that.

    I mean, as far as this goes? She IS going to turn on us. Very soon, in fact. Doing anything else will not let her win. If we get the Town numbers down to our level, the game ends. It's not going to turn into a mafia vs SK battle. So, eventually she is going to be forced to betray us. There's no reason to treat this like a friendly alliance, because we all know it isn't. Either she does as we say, or we kill her. Those are her only options.

    April 4, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Yeah I'm very concerned by this turn of events. I thought she worked for us in this arrangement.

    We -really- might want to just kill her now. She's going to know something is up when you try to keep her from knocking Bandit off. The nurse story doesn't hold up so I'm gone too. The SK's absolutely have a chance at winning.

    What's the night action priority?

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    Count Dooku

    If the night action priority is SK before Mafia, convince her to kill SDYoshi tonight and Bandit tomorrow and we can kill her tonight. She'll eliminate a town role for us and we'll eliminate someone who knows far too much already.

    April 4, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    This will also give me more good excuses for why I survived the night round. Mafia was taking out its competition.

    Since it appears the SK does in fact go before us, I would suggest we double cross her now.

    April 4, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    I'm... very against the idea of killing her now. Maybe next night round, but not this round. She doesn't have the numbers or the information to turn on us yet at all. My biggest concern is numbers. We're down to a team of 5 in a game of 20. With one kill a night, we'd have to be extremely lucky to make it far. The serial killers, even more so. If there's anything I've noticed in games that I've been mafia, it's that you should never assume you're safe just because you have a large team early in the game.

    If we get rid of Apollo we're creating a new Serial Killer that will definitely not work with us, because no one knows who they are. That + the PGO + watching roles makes it much more likely that we won't make it very far at all. Apollo has no reason to turn on us if we let her do her own thing in the short term, but just supervise what she does.

    But if the majority wants to kill her I guess I don't really have a say in it. It just seems like a very, very bad move right now.

    April 4, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    If we don't tell her exactly what to do, then we run into all the problems that goes along with this plan. She learns who each of us are. Based on how you handled that exchange, she could already know that I'm mafia. That would mean she know you and I, and Dooku's days are already numbered.


    She mentioned wanting to "kill SDYoshi or The Bandit" and I told her "that's fine, kill SDYoshi tonight." I knew from the beginning it would be an inherent risk this way but it's really not. She wouldn't be able to figure out enough information in just two or three days, however long we keep her around (I wouldn't expect it to be too long.)

    While you may feel like the SK has no chance of winning, that in no way means that they can't keep us from winning. We don't know who the last SK is, and if Apollo and him are in contact, he could absolutely wreck us when the time comes. The only way this will work to our advantage is if Apollo is a puppet. If it works as a discussion, then I really think we should drop this and kill her now.


    I understand your position but I really feel like this is the best way to go. From the SK's perspective the difference between being a puppet and being part of a discussion is the difference between having a shot at winning and no shot at winning.

    I'll compromise and say I'll be ok with her dying Night 3, but I really think we'll need at least the two extra kills in our favor. Even if she plans on acting against us, she'd either do it right now, or wait until a bit further in the game. And she'd only do it now if she planned on killing me the second I approached her.

    April 4, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I'm kind of iffy about keeping her alive especially if she wants to target one of our own. Considering Count has a good chance of being voted off this coming day round are numbers are dropping pretty fast. I understand the alliance but if Apollo isn't going at cooperate with at least getting rid of SDyoshi then I say kill Apollo asap.

    It's a risk but I think things can get bad for us no matter who the serial killer is.

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    EvilGuy0613

    Honestly if we don't hit the watcher/tracker/journalist VERY VERY SOON none of this is going to matter. The town is going to end up with a ton of information at their disposal at this rate.

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    Count Dooku

    From the SK's perspective the difference between being a puppet and being part of a discussion is the difference between having a shot at winning and no shot at winning.

    You're putting way too much emphasis on this. If she's thought about it for more than ten seconds, she's already decided when she's going to betray us (i.e. when the Town get close, but not too close, to the mafia numbers). Whether she's part of the team or not isn't going to change the numbers, which is all she's going to be focusing on. For her, the biggest threat right now is the Town, not the mafia. So it's in her benefit to help us kill Townies.

    I'm telling you, helping her track us is the WORST thing you can do. We are going to be so fucked if everyday she gives us two options and you choose one of the two. Either give her the targets, without any discussion, or we kill her now. I don't want to sound like a dick, but I'm not compromising on this.

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    The Bandit

    (btw we got sidetracked but im ok with killing PN and dooku investigating flare. we just need majora to cast the first vote)

    April 4, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Vote to kill Pirate_Ninja.

    April 4, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Vote to kill PN, but seriously in case I don't make it through tonight/tomorrow you guys need to kill Apollo.

    April 4, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    I'd be fine with killing Apollo tomorrow.

    April 4, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    kill PN

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    The Bandit

    Sorry I missed everything, wound up falling asleep and when I woke up I had zero time to get on here before I had to go running off to band/choir rehearsals (my college is a fifteen-minute drive away from my house).

    Anyway, it looks like we've come to a decision, so Kill PN. And I don't feel it would be a good idea to silence anyone.

    April 4, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    Count Dooku's investigation of Lady Flare turns up that she's a plain old innocent Townie.

    April 5, 2014
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    white lancer

    So, thus far, out of the living players (aside from us), we know that:

    Apollo = Serial Killer MkII
    Lady Flare = Townie

    Not very much to go on right off the bat, but I bet that if we treated this like an immense logic puzzle, we could figure out at least some of the roles, specifically the Journalist, based on his/her quote from last round.

    We know that there are nine Town-sided players left, including the Watcher, Tracker, PGO, Governor, and Nurse, leaving four Townies. We know that Apollo is the Serial Killer, and she has an Admirer, and we know that we have a Journalist somewhere out there.

    Something tells me that Hindenburg must be the Governor, since all of the Governor's messages have been random emoticons like {boo} and (death)...of course, that could be one of the new guys experimenting with the role, but Hindenburg (in my rather inexperienced Mafia mind) is the best bet.

    Beyond that...the new guys leave any attempt at logically figuring out the roster impossible, since I don't know their play styles, and even if I did, I'm Godawful at discerning them in any individual game. Just look at what happened with Kyon...

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    Black Yoshi

    So for what it's worth, we've verified that Lady Flare and Hindenburg aren't the PGO. If we go by the info that eXcavator was watched by the Watcher and nobody died Night 0, we can take him off the list. That means the PGO is one of these people:

    `Roxas`
    Jo Nathan
    Feral Wolf
    Bubba
    chiefsonny
    Lightvayne
    RockyT
    Shadowwalked

    April 5, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    It would actually be really good if the Journalist targeted one of those people and writes about it. We'd be able to take them off the list too.

    April 5, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Here's how I see it:

    If we lose Dooku today, I think we should risk it and keep Apollo around for another Night. If the Town doesn't buy chief's claims (and although he's right, there's a lot of weird arguments he's making) then we kill her tonight.

    Btw it seems perfectly logical that chief is the Nurse. Given his careful playstyle, I don't see him advocating to lynch someone who's revealed themselves as a Townie without pretty good reason to do so.

    April 5, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Bah someone reached out to chief (or he's the nurse).

    April 5, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    Hrm... Might be worth finding the big discussion on mafia OOG. I seem to recall Chief was very, very vocally against it. Might be helpful in making the case that he's being inconsistent.

    April 5, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    Chiefsonny strikes me as someone who is either the Nurse, Watcher, or Tracker. If he is in contact with the Nurse, it's likely he's the Watcher or Tracker and found out by OOG who they are. If he's lying, then it's likely he's the Nurse, or maybe he doesn't know anything at all.

    But he's setting himself up to be a good kill choice. Hopefully he's not the PGO.

    April 5, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Might be worth finding the big discussion on mafia OOG.


    Not if it happened before Xhin's sitewide fuckup.

    April 5, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    Not sure I agree with casting a vote at me just yet Bandit. I totally understand that it will help you protect yourself in later rounds, but the town may well just bandwagon right off of what you've done.

    April 6, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    It's so obvious that chief is the real Nurse that I saw no point in delaying it. My comment was genuine. We know chief doesn't like OOG, there's no reason for the real Nurse to talk to him, his argument about who you protected and why makes no sense, and if he were mafia, he would not attack you like that because he probably would find your Nurse claim legitimate and expect everyone else to find it legitimate. If anyone else put any thought into it, they would arrive at the same conclusion I did and vote you off.

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    The Bandit

    It's so obvious that chief is the real Nurse that I saw no point in delaying it. My comment was genuine. We know chief doesn't like OOG, there's no reason for the real Nurse to talk to him, his argument about who you protected and why makes no sense, and if he were mafia, he would not attack you like that because he probably would find your Nurse claim legitimate and expect everyone else to find it legitimate. If anyone else put any thought into it, they would arrive at the same conclusion I did and vote you off.

    You don't need to help them along. If anything, JN sees the idea that chief is suddenly engaging in OOG to cast SUSPICION ON CHIEF.

    April 6, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    I mean shit. Chief hasn't even cast a vote for me yet.

    April 6, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    All of your arguments are going to fall to the ground the second chief reveals himself as the Nurse- which he will, because none of his arguments make any sense. Pushing against him only to look like a fool when he inevitably reveals isn't going to help our cause.

    April 6, 2014
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    The Bandit

    I posted in an attempt to defend Dooku while still bringing up the undeniable facts from the last round. I have no idea where it's going to go from here, it depends on people's reactions to what I said I guess.

    April 6, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I guess what bothers me is that my own team is offering more reason to lynch me than the town has in over 2 days.

    I'm not denying that my story is ultimately not believable. I just don't see the point in throwing me under the bus when the town seems barely interested in it at this point and my primary accuser hasn't even cast a vote.

    But oh well.

    April 6, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    Maybe you're right and I totally fucked up. With the way it's going though, it shouldn't take much to get a different target up. Just depends on what chief says tomorrow I guess.

    April 7, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Okay, I think chief needs to die tonight. I say we tell Apollo to kill him and then we kill her.

    April 7, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    Yeah, I'd be super appreciative if you guys could drop a nuke on chief {:P}

    April 7, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    ... Well this is looking worse by the minute

    April 7, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    That is quite an imagination Jo Nathan has. His arguments are somehow even worse than chief's.

    I'm just fucking amazed that no one else has realized chief is the Nurse (and, ironically, I can't explain that in my defense because it would just make the more powerful teammate look guilty). I obviously really screwed up and I apologize. I just thought it was a done deal that Dooku was dead.

    April 7, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Yeah, I'd be super appreciative if you guys could drop a nuke on chief {:P}


    ...can we actually do that? Like, lead him out into the surrounding desert and set off that nuke that Majora's been hiding there?

    April 7, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    I hate to be the one arguing this, because the mistake is mine and I should be the one to take responsibility for it, but if it comes down to me or Dooku, then Dooku really has to be the one to go. Although he undoubtedly has the better role, he's false claimed Nurse. His time is already limited. If no one follows Yoshi's lead, then having our other mafia members take him out today will give us a lot of credit, and honestly may be better in the long run.

    If someone else votes chief (which I don't see happening), then you guys should probably follow that lead and try to get us one more investigation.

    April 7, 2014
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    The Bandit

    I obviously really screwed up and I apologize. I just thought it was a done deal that Dooku was dead.

    It -should- have been a done deal, but the general inactivity plus the fact that everyone seems to know chief doesn't engage in OOG has created just enough doubt.

    In either case, no hard feelings. You should probably maintain your vote for me in case I do die. It will be a nice card to play toward your innocence. Although I'm concerned Apollo might take you out before you can play it.

    ...can we actually do that? Like, lead him out into the surrounding desert and set off that nuke that Majora's been hiding there?

    The host sometimes takes requests (hehe)

    April 7, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    If chief gets another vote I'll try to swap mine.

    Only issue is I (foolishly) mentioned that I didn't think chief was mafia, I just thought the mafia were using him as a mouthpiece. If someone notices I've suddenly changed my mind when the opportunity arises that could be bad.

    April 7, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    Well, cards are on the table.

    I suspect I really don't have a chance at surviving the round. A load of people who have had 0 input all round will probably show up and swing the vote in chief's favor.

    But I made the best effort I could out of the situation.

    April 7, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    GG no re

    April 7, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    I totally understand now :/ So if dooku really is guilty, I'd like to collaborate OoG. what do you say -- Jo Nathan

    HELLO HOW ARE YOU MR. NATHAN

    April 7, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Also, I want to execute Dooku in the hopes that this takes points away from the Journalist because lol.

    April 7, 2014
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    The Bandit

    {:D}

    April 7, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    Also, I want to execute Dooku in the hopes that this takes points away from the Journalist because lol.

    Maybe hold off on that just in case they buy the depressed 'you guys have done it now, you'll see it was chief all along' line.

    But sure, I'd rather die by you guys than the damn town :P Just vote to do it a little later!

    April 7, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    Yeah, fair enough. Don't execute him yet please :(

    April 7, 2014
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    The Bandit

    I'd recommend against deciding on executing Count Dooku until the round comes closer to the end. If the vote switches off of him by some chance, keeping him alive would be a lot better than killing him obviously.

    April 7, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    u beat me 2 it

    April 7, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Any advice on how to respond to Jo would be appreciated.

    April 7, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Any advice on how to respond to Jo would be appreciated.

    Healthy dose of skepticism, given that I claim to have protected him and I'm on the chopping block.

    April 7, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    Well... its been real. And its been fun.

    I can't say its been real fun, but that's alright.

    All things considered, I'll probably be seeing most of you soon. Someone mentioned earlier that they suspect my teammates might try to get in on lynching me early. So good luck using that defense :/

    Kill chief for me. At least we'll have traded mafia for power role.

    April 7, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    :(

    Execute this guy Lancer.

    Anywayz, I like your last few posts a lot Dooku, and I really like your defense of him Majora. Not something a mafia is likely to do in that spot.

    April 7, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Last words - Looks like Chief is trying to throw you guys off by now claiming he isn't actually the nurse.

    I would be absolutely blown away if that were the case. Take him out while you've got a ninja.

    April 7, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    ...or mayhap we should have Apollo take him out and then we take her out tonight/tomorrow. I don't know about you guys, but I'm suddenly feeling a bit wary of keeping her around for too long...I feel like, based on her replies in the main thread, she's planning to overthrow us at some point soon.

    April 8, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    Your move.

    April 8, 2014
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    white lancer

    9-4-2-1

    I think we should keep Apollo alive at least one more round. For starters it would be best if I killed chiefsonny since it seems obvious he's the Nurse (if he's the PGO he played an extremely good game.) If he's watched I'll be able to kill him without being seen. Apollo would never agree to killing chief because of the watching roles, but her kill is still useful to us if we can use it to our advantage.

    If we get two town-sided kills the ratio will be:

    7-4-2-1

    Which is close to a winning game. If the town mislynches and kills a town-sided role, we'd need to kill Apollo at that point no question. I think next night would be her last night regardless.

    As a side note, I think it's likely that Shadowwalked is the Admirer. Just a feeling. I think Apollo might know this and the way she's been talking to me gives me the impression he is.

    But I think our best bet for tonight is to kill chiefsonny, and I'll put that vote in if there are no objections.

    April 8, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I agree with everything Majora said. It's also beneficial to us to kill chief ourselves, as we reduce the risk of running into the PGO.

    As far as who we send Apollo to, I'd recommend Lady Flare or Bubba.

    I don't think we should Silence anyone again. It's really just not worth the risk.

    I'm going to (eventually) give Jo Nathan a list of suspects that includes Hidenburg, Apollo, and probably Black Yoshi (though I'm not final on that). I think Majora's defense of Dooku was really smart so I don't want to involve him, and I can't exactly call out Evil Guy. I may keep it as just Hidenburg and Apollo. My hope is to try and get Apollo day lynched tomorrow if at all possible, so we don't have to use any night kill on her.

    April 8, 2014
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    The Bandit

    vote to kill chief

    April 8, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Well as long as you can get her to cooperate I'm fine with keeping her alive one more night. I think we can afford to anyway as we at least have 4 of us left.

    My only concern on trying to kill chief is the possibility that he isn't the nurse and he ends up getting protected. I suppose it's worth a shot though. (Or we might be promised two kills if we kill someone elsse.)

    (Having internet problems atm.)

    April 8, 2014
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    EvilGuy0613

    @Bandit: Why me? Sure, we have four of us left, but against a town/SK/Admirer/Journalist combination of three times that, we can't afford to lose one of us. Even if it means validating JN's list by having me on it, I just don't see much benefit beyond that.

    Anyway, vote to kill chiefsonny. Thoughts on whom to silence?

    April 8, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    I vote to kill chiefsonny as well, and though my vote wasn't official earlier, I'd appreciate it if we could count mine as the first vote :) (been thinking of suggesting a change to certain group roles where instead of determining things by the first to vote, they're determined by someone electing to bear the burden of doing the action.)

    And I'd like it if we could keep the four of us strong until the end. We desperately need numbers if we want to win (even losing one would dramatically extend the game. If we didn't lose Count Dooku we'd be at a great advantage right now.) So whatever is done, keep in mind that our every action will be scrutinized by the town if we do end up getting revealed as mafia for any reason.

    April 8, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Also, I'd be very, very careful revealing Apollo in a day round. She only knows 100% that I'm mafia, but I imagine she could narrow down at least The Bandit. Though I have tried to subtly give her the idea that Jo Nathan is mafia too without outright saying anything about any of our roles.

    April 8, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    ^ err, my point being that during a Day round she'd have the opportunity to reveal us before she's lynched. We'd need to be sure to blindside her when we want her dead.

    April 8, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    ...which is why I feel like it would be better for us to nightkill her; to get her lynched during the day round (or even just to get her to the requisite number of votes for Execution) would require an almost perfect play on our part. If we did try something during the day round, we'd need to time it precisely, and mayhap I would need to silence Apollo in that case.

    April 8, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    Also, for reasons I can't reveal, I am 100% sure Hindy is innosent and truly was silenced.


    Going to assume Feral isn't talking about anything game-breaking (such as admin tools) but I think this means it's safe to say Feral isn't the PGO, possibly a power role.

    April 9, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Yesterday I only told Jo Nathan that I wanted to wait until Day4 started before we discussed anything, so no worries y'all. As far as lynching Apollo, I had not considered her revealing us in the thread, so yeah we'll try to steer clear of that route too.

    We have to expect that we'll lose Majora tonight. I don't see Apollo helping us anymore with the ratio so close- even if the Town successfully lynches one of us today, I imagine she'll still fuck us over. With the Watcher, Tracker, and Journalist still out there, and no Ninja, we're going to have a pretty rough time pulling this through. BUT I THINK WE CAN NEVER GIVE UP

    April 9, 2014
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    The Bandit

    In any case, she's dying tonight. And I have a feeling I'm the one going out this round...

    Thing is, Apollo only knows Majora is Mafia; I don't think she knows the rest of us. If she is bent on revealing, Majora could tell her that, say, Feral, Shadowwalked, and Lightvayne are the other three Mafia.

    April 9, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    Rereading what Feral wrote, I imagine Hidenburg is some power role- why else would he trust him? We know he isn't the PGO, and I'm inclined to believe Jo Nathan is the Tracker, so that leaves Governor or Watcher. Hopefully whichever Serial Killer is alive tonight realizes that, as the Watcher is a hell of a lot more dangerous to him than we are right now.

    If we trust Jo Nathan, and I see no reason not to, we can narrow down the PGO to:

    `Roxas`
    Feral Wolf
    Bubba
    Lightvayne
    RockyT
    Shadowwalked

    I'm inclined to believe that it's RockyT or Lightvayne- a new player no one is likely to interact with. I'd recommend we avoid those guys.

    It looks like Apollo is under some fire, and I'm not sure how to proceed. Do we argue in her favor? I mean, if she does reveal Majora, the ratio is going to stay pretty much the same- we will need 3 kills to win.

    April 9, 2014
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    The Bandit

    I think it's a better idea to argue against Apollo; if we end up getting her lynched, it both saves Majora and gives us a free nightkill. I can, however, see the downsides to this, namely that in her defense she might reveal Majora, and then the remaining Serial Killer has him cooked. That, and we'd still have the PGO to contend with after this whole fiasco is done.

    I have seen one Mafia carry the game to the end before, so it can happen...

    April 9, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    Idk. As I said, I think Apollo is killing Majora tonight no matter what. If Apollo is lynched and she gives up Majora, then that just means that either A) the new SK will kill Majora tonight anyway or B) the Town will lynch Majora tomorrow, which buys the rest of us one more day. It doesn't seem to matter how it goes down. Apollo and Majora are both going to die.

    April 9, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Another problem- if we all defend Apollo, she might realize why we're defending her and find out we're mafia that way. The same if we just let it happen.

    It might be best for Majora to go one way and for the rest of us to argue against him.

    April 9, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Whatever we do I'd suggest we don't side too strongly against Apollo. We have a strong advantage in our numbers right now and I'd be worried that Apollo will out those of us that she's possibly figured out (me at the very least) and that would be bad in a day round, especially with gunsmith guns likely still being in play.

    April 9, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Also I think Roxas is the Journalist.

    April 9, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    And for what it's worth, I don't think the Journalist targeted Apollo in the last night round. I think they watched Flare's house, which explains why they knew who Apollo visited. I'm hoping nobody points this out though and just blindly agrees with me :). Even if it does get pointed out though idk, I doubt people would find it suspicious.

    April 10, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I hadn't even thought of that lmao.

    If I was the Journalist, there's no way I wouldn't be able to say that. I wouldn't give a shit if it outed me, everyone's ignorance would just be driving me mad.

    April 10, 2014
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    The Bandit

    especially with gunsmith guns likely still being in play.


    Let's not bring this up in the main thread; reminding a few people that they have Gunsmith guns could either turn the game in our favor or damned near wipe us out completely. Who knows who the Gunsmith visited in his short time alive; all I know is if he visited Feral, and Feral realizes he has the gun, I'm as good as dead considering his initial suspicions this round.

    April 10, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    It would be really nice if someone would just shoot Apollo before she could out us.

    April 10, 2014
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    The Bandit

    ^^^agreed, but let's not be too hasty with the reminder; after all, more than one person might have a gun, and if that's the case, whomever didn't use theirs on Apollo could very well use it on one of us.

    April 11, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    ouch, Apollo just got the votes necessary to be executed. I'm really hoping she doesn't out me now.

    April 11, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Yep. I don't really see how this was going any other way, though. You could try to tell her "hey, we won't execute you if you kill more townies" or something, which may hold her off from outing you, but who knows if she'll buy it.

    Anyways, off with her head.

    April 11, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Definitely don't say something like "we won't execute you if you don't tell the town i'm mafia." No reason to put ideas into her head that may not be there.

    April 11, 2014
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    The Bandit

    I just told her that she had the votes to be executed and that I didn't think we should execute her and she seems to have accepted that she'll die anyway. Like she explicitly said it's ok, that she wouldn't kill me or anything, and that we could execute her. Like I said back when I first contacted her I think she's just really... bummed out that the Serial Killer team was so underpowered, and hasn't been too into the game anyway.

    April 11, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Neato.

    April 11, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Going forward we're going to have to be very careful. The new Serial Killer could likely know that I'm mafia as well, and might have even narrowed another mafia member or two down. We also need to watch out for the Paranoid Gun Owner, and need to keep some townies alive that we can falseclaim as if need be.

    I think Shadowwalked is likely the Admirer.

    I think Lightvayne is the Journalist.

    But I could be very wrong about Shadowwalked, and if he's the PGO that would be bad.

    My thought going forward was that we could keep Jo Nathan alive and wait for him to visit people, He probably thinks his time is limited so I don't see why he wouldn't risk targeting someone. The Watcher should also claim soon and we might get more Journalist articles. We can use the people that they target to determine who isn't the PGO. As in, Jo Nathan targeted eXcavator, so eXcavator is definitely not the PGO. So long as Black Yoshi doesn't silence anyone, there is no way the town could get any more information about us as long as I'm alive. But there's always the chance that the SK will kill some of us which has me very worried.

    People alive that aren't us/dead:

    `Roxas`
    Jo Nathan - Tracker
    Feral Wolf
    eXcavator - Not the PGO, will probs die from inactivity.
    Bubba
    Lightvayne
    RockyT - Will probably die from inactivity
    Shadowwalked - Admirer???
    22. Hindenburg - Not the PGO

    April 11, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    7-4-1-1 (Total: 13)

    ^ The ratio after the round ends, for reference.

    There will likely be 11 or 10 people alive in the next round, meaning 4 votes for an Executioner kill and 8 votes for a lynch. If The Bandit is alive we could be pretty strong going into the endgame.

    But we definitely need to try to stay four strong to the end. Nobody should throw anyone under the bus unless it looks completely hopeless, but even then exercise caution. Usually throwing people under the bus doesn't even help support someone's innocence.

    April 11, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    We don't even have to throw each other under the bus if something like that happens. I remember when Castrael played for the first time and she and I were Mafia together, and in her dying breath she basically outed the whole Mafia in trying to cast suspicion off of herself. We could do something like that, only use people who aren't Mafia (for example, Lightvayne, RockyT, and Shadowwalked).

    Anyway, Apollo is at the Execution limit, so are we planning to Execute her?

    April 11, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    Oh, The Bandit already put in the vote to execute her :). At least I think he did!

    April 11, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Yeah I did.

    April 11, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Night action time.

    April 12, 2014
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    white lancer

    Fucking Governor IDIOT

    April 12, 2014
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    The Bandit

    It's always Apollo, man. Everybody does favors for her.

    April 12, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Alright, so current ratio is 6-4-2-1. Unfortunately, because the Governor is an IDIOT MORON, we know Apollo is going to kill Majora tonight. If she were to kill a townie, the game would be over for her. So, we have to kill her. There's really no other option.

    April 12, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Lancer- if Apollo kills Majora tonight, will his Ninja power still conceal our night kill?

    We really can't kill Apollo though. We just can't. We know we're going to lose Majora. The Town knows who the Tracker is. If we kill Apollo tonight, tomorrow night the Watcher will undoubtedly watch Jo Nathan's house. We won't be able to risk killing him then, and we'd be at the very end of the game with both Watcher and Tracker still out there and no Ninja protection. I think we HAVE to kill Jo Nathan tonight, and hope that someone just shoots Apollo tomorrow.

    April 12, 2014
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    The Bandit

    I think we should kill Shadowwalked while we have the chance. I'm pretty sure he's the Admirer, or maybe the Governor.

    I know not killing Apollo now seems like a bad move initially, which I've been putting off so we could get more kills in our favor, but this was before she had the biggest target on her back. I don't see any way that the town would let her get off with no lynch in the next round. We should focus on someone else and let the town waste another lynch to kill her, it would draw attention off of us.

    Black Yoshi should probably not silence anyone so to not be seen. But with the PGO dead, we have a lot more freedom now. I'd say we should silence Apollo just to be safe but I think she could be a likely Watcher/Tracker target.

    Feel free to argue against me because I'm still thinking about what the best course of action would be.

    April 12, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Jo Nathan is a good option as well, The Bandit. My biggest concern with killing Shadowwalked was that if he is the Admirer, Apollo might reveal any info she has on the mafia. If we kill the Tracker, she won't feel too threatened. The town will lynch her, and the Admirer will be alive. The Tracker will be dead, leaving only the Watcher and Journalist as the watching roles for after I die, and the Watcher isn't known.

    April 12, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    The list in the main thread is a bit off, here's an updated list:

    1. The Bandit
    2. `Roxas`
    3. Speed Bike Pro - Townie
    4. Black Yoshi
    5. Jo Nathan
    6. Kyon - Townie
    7. MajorasMask9
    8. Moonray - Serial Killer
    9. Feral Wolf
    10. Apollo Justice
    11. EvilGuy0613
    12. eXcavator
    13. Lady Flare - Townie
    14. Bubba
    15. hezekiah - Thug
    16. chiefsonny - Nurse
    17. Lightvayne
    18. Count Dooku - Mafia Investigator
    19. Marvalo - Townie
    20. RockyT - Paranoid Gun Owner
    21. Shadowwalked
    22. Hindenburg
    23. SD Yoshi - Townie
    24. Pirate_Ninja - Gunsmith
    Ratio: 6-4-2-1
    Roles:
    Ninja, Executioner, Silencer, Mafioso
    Watcher, Tracker, Governor, Townie x 3
    Serial Killer, (Admirer)
    Journalist, (Admirer)*

    (idk if this is entirely accurate I didn't do a very thorough check.

    April 12, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Goddamn Governor. Worse governor than George W. Bush was as President.

    That said, I have been mulling silencing Apollo just to be safe for the past two night-rounds, but for all I know, I could be the Tracker's target tonight and so they would see me targeting Apollo. I think it would be best for us to just kill her tonight, but I do see your point, Majora, in that it would waste our nightkill and she might have the Watcher or Journalist breathing down her back tonight.

    Honestly, it seems like Apollo's in cahoots with the Governor; why else would the timing be so shitty? Why else would she tell us that she wasn't getting into this game, tell us to execute her...only to have the damned Governor step in and stop everything? Something smells fishy here and it isn't hezy's decaying corpse (still don't know why we kept that)...

    April 12, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    I still really think we should take out Jo Nathan. This is our only chance to do it risk free.

    April 12, 2014
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    The Bandit

    I think we should kill Jo Nathan too, but thoughts on Black Yoshi silencing? I think it's too risky for him to move at night right now.

    Vote to kill Jo Nathan

    April 12, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Better I stay in hiding, I think.

    Kill JN

    April 12, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    kill jo

    and yeah no silencing

    April 12, 2014
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    The Bandit

    The Ninja getting killed by the Serial Killer would render the kill detectable, but the kill would still go through as long as someone else was voting. Second person to vote would take the lead in this case and be the only detectable member.

    April 12, 2014
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    white lancer

    ugh that is SO LAME

    maybe Jo isn't the best target then

    April 12, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Would you be willing to reconsider at this point? Do you have any names in mind? It's getting a bit late into the round, especially if the other roles put their actions in already, so we'd have to figure out a new target fairly quickly.

    April 12, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I'm fine with Shadowwalked, as I feel like he's very unlikely to be Watched by anyone. But, we know you're dead. There's absolutely no other play Apollo can make if she wants to win, and Jo Nathan is the #1 most likely target to be Watched.

    April 12, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Change vote to kill Shadowwalked

    I think it's likely that he's the Admirer and I feel like getting rid of the Admirer now is the best move in the long run. IDK, to me it's a toss up between Jo and Shadow and which one is better will depend on what other people do. But you're right, Shadowwalked would be much less likely to be watched than Jo Nathan.

    April 12, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    vote shadow

    April 12, 2014
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    The Bandit

    To make it official...

    Kill Shadowwalked

    April 12, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    Some final thoughts, here are my guesses for the remaining players:

    Jo Nathan - Tracker
    Bubba - Watcher
    `Roxas` - Townie
    Feral - Townie

    Hindenburg - Governor or Townie or Admirer
    Shadowwalked - Admirer or Governor

    Lightvayne - Journalist
    eXcavator - Townie

    April 13, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I was talking to Apollo earlier and she's been pretty busy. I asked her if she picked a kill target (she's been pretty up-front with me about it and mentioned she was going to tell me who it was, which I didn't even ask.) I think it's likely that she didn't pick someone to kill, unless she's hiding it from me which is totally likely.

    Still, it could be good for us if she skips a kill on accident :).

    It's too late now but I think Black Yoshi could have silenced Apollo with no problem. I doubt anyone would watch her house again after all the evidence against her.

    April 13, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    (:S)...

    April 13, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Well that probably explains why she didn't tell me the kill, but still not what I expected

    April 13, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Question for lancer: when the Serial Killer dies, does the Admirer gain access to the SK thread, or do they stay in their Admirer thread?

    April 13, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Okay, didn't see that coming...

    April 13, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    The new Serial Killer gains access to the old Serial Killer thread once the Serial Killer dies.

    April 13, 2014
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    white lancer

    Wow...well things aren't looking the brightest. At the very least though Apollo is most likely dying this round. We really need to take things carefully at this point.

    To think none of this wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for the Gov.

    April 13, 2014
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    EvilGuy0613

    OKAY HOW THE HELL DOES SHE KNOW MY ROLE?!

    April 13, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    She guessed. She messaged me early this morning saying something like "Sorry but I was mad at Black Yoshi for voting for me, but don't worry I won't reveal you or anything." She also said she didn't think anyone would believe her anyway. You should probably respond with something a little more detailed later denying her claim!!

    April 13, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    The way I see it, I'm pretty much dead next round anyhow, so I'm considering saying something like, "Apollo's comment caught me off-guard because she and I are both Mafia, as well as Roxas, and she was pissed that her own teammate was voting for her."

    April 13, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    I'd avoid that if only because the town already suspects Apollo of being guilty (mafia or not, they're still voting for her) so that would only confirm that you're guilty. At least there's still reasonable doubt.

    Any thoughts on who the Admirer is? I originally thought that if it wasn't Shadowwalked, it was Hindenburg, but I'm not so sure now.

    April 13, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Something about Feral's actions seems to point in hat direction. If I die tonight, you'll know it's Feral.

    April 13, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    I knew at the end of the night round that our not silencing Apollo was going to be a bad play :'(. Probably one of our biggest mistakes in the game.

    I think the SK will likely kill me. I'm sure Apollo has written in the SK thread that I'm mafia. If the new SK knows that, and they know you're a likely lynch target, they'll probably kill me and wait for the town to kill you in the next day. Our best bet is to have you kill and silence in the night. If you hit the SK with either, they won't be able to take a shot that could kill EvilGuy in the final rounds.

    April 13, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Already have my kill/silence picked out. In case I'm the one to die tonight, my kill would have gone to Feral, and I would have silenced the hell out of Lightvayne. Both of them know too much already.

    If I die tonight, kill Feral for me, would you?

    April 13, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    Well I'm pretty confident that Apollo is going to die today. She'd seriously be lucky to survive again. Now we have a pretty big problem though and that's obviously that Black Yoshi is going to die either tonight or most definitely the next day.

    Now MM9 seems suspicious to at least Feral Wolf and this is the first time my name has been brought up this whole game. Luckily they have no real evidence against us aside from assumptions. That and they're are others who could just as easily be guilty such as Roxas and eX. So long as we play it safe we stand a chance of survival.

    We might can catch a break if the SK ends up killing a town sided roll but I don't know how unlikely that is.

    April 14, 2014
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    EvilGuy0613

    I think Lightvayne is the Watcher. I don't think there is any reason why the Watcher would pick him to reveal their information. Even if he isn't, I doubt he's the admirer.

    We need to kill the Admirer ASAP because they're the immediate threats to us.

    I think likely Admirer targets are... eXcavator, Hindenburg, and maybe Feral or Roxas. What reasons did you have for suspecting Feral? We still have a while to discuss kill targets so I wouldn't worry too much about specific kills just yet.

    April 14, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Also, I posted this in the main thread, but just in case it gets overlooked considering the amount of replies:

    @white lancer: If a player is silenced, since they're silenced overnight as well, does this mean that them being silenced essentially roleblocks that player for the night after they were silenced?

    April 14, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    ...okay, now I'm damned sure Feral is the other Admirer. Why else would he suddenly seem to side with Apollo after she revealed herself as the Serial Killer unless he would become her role after she died, and wanted to avenge her?

    If Apollo isn't lynched this round, PLEASE, nightkill her ass next round, PLEASE, for God's sake, she needed to die three rounds ago, why the hell have we kept her alive for so damned long, we should have taken her out while we had the chance.

    April 14, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    Ah well I take everything I said back. We're pretty much screwed at this point unless it appears that Apollo is just humoring the town which...I doubt she is. In this case MM9 is probably going to be the night kill or is going to be outed. Won't take a genius to figure out I'm mafia if it hasnt already been figured out.

    Yeah we probably shoud have killed her a lot earlier but things were working in our favor and would've if it wasnt for the Gov.

    April 14, 2014
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    EvilGuy0613

    If we killed Apollo three days back we'd likely be screwed right now. The double kills definitely helped us. Our biggest mistake was not silencing her this round, which I should have seen coming and did regret a bit too late :(.

    April 14, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I think our biggest mistake was not taking out Apollo last night-round after the whole fiasco with the Governor. If it wasn't for the goddamned Governor we'd still be in good shape, but the Governor's block at that time basically screwed us over. I was contemplating silencing Apollo this round anyway, but when the Governor fucked up, I felt as if mayhap because Apollo already had a target on her back, she would be Watched in the night as a means of discerning the Mafia, and even if we didn't want to waste our nightkill on her, the act of Silencing her would have revealed me to the Journalist, Watcher, and/or Tracker.

    All I have to say is this was one of the craziest Mafia games I've ever played. So crazy, in fact, that it's had my nerves on edge from the beginning, what with us blackmailing a Serial Killer (seriously, if that happened in real life I would legitimately be scare for my fucking life).

    April 14, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    Yeah its inded pretty wild ride. I say as my first Mafia game on this sight it's been a pretty crazy one but in a good way.

    Well I feel uneasy about faking a silence as that might get me screw if eX speaks up.

    April 14, 2014
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    EvilGuy0613

    Oh wow I totally blanked out for a minute. My bad nobody was silenced and if somebody wws it certainly wouldn't have been eX.

    April 14, 2014
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    EvilGuy0613

    The round is ending soon anyway so it shouldn't matter too much. I'd just be concerned if Black Yoshi was investigated by the Journalist. I think eX is the Journalist and if he saw Black Yoshi didn't visit anyone (ie Silencer didn't silence) and you claim to be silenced that would look very bad.) Your call how you want to play that though :/

    April 14, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    You guys are probably going to hate me for this but I'm initiating talks with Apollo about potentially working together one more round and I have no idea what I want to do.

    Objectively speaking if the mafia kills Apollo and Apollo kills a mafia both the mafia and the Serial Killer are screwed, the ratio will be 5-1-1-1 with confirmed innocents on the town side.

    I'm proposing we both kill two confirmed innocents (likely Jo Nathan and Lightvayne.) That will make the ratio 3-2-2-1 and much more likely for either of our teams to win.

    But I'm very strongly considering backstabbing Apollo if she goes along with the idea. Like I said I don't really know what I'd want to do, but I think a play like that would be pretty necessary for us to win. It has its drawbacks (Admirer learning our roles) but I think it's pretty safe to say the Admirer won't reveal themselves to the town with their information, and they won't know that EvilGuy is mafia (Apollo thinks it's either EvilGuy or eXcavator.)

    Whatever is chosen could be a bad move but I think offering this to her is a good move in the meantime. Whether Allying or Betraying her would benefit us is debatable.

    April 14, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Whatever happens, she needs to die. NOW.

    April 14, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    Well I won't pretend to be silenced just to be safe I guess. Also working with her again I don't think it matters too much at this point as we're pretty screwed as it stands now. If anything that may be our best bet at surviving longer.

    April 14, 2014
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    EvilGuy0613

    An idea strikes: What if we have Apollo kill someone Town-sided tonight whilst we kill Feral, and then tomorrow night-round, we have her kill someone else and then we kill her? Or have her kill Feral and then we kill her?

    April 14, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    If we take out the Admirer there's no way she wouldn't kill me ASAP. I think our only two options going into the next round would be:


    -Kill Apollo
    -Kill a confirmed innocent (Jo Nathan/Lightvayne/etc)

    If both us and Apollo kill an innocent, the ratio will be 3-2-2-1.

    If we kill Apollo and she kills an innocent the ratio will be 4-2-1-1.

    If we kill Apollo and she kills one of us, 5-1-1-1.

    If Apollo kills us and we kill an innocent, 4-1-2-1 which is essentially game over for us.

    ---

    Which is why I'm thinking that us killing Apollo is the safest bet. 4-2-1-1. In the day, we'd have to get lucky and cause a mislynch, making it 4-2-0-1 (best option) or 3-2-1-1. If it's 3-2-1-1 the next day will likely be 3-1-0-1 which isn't good, but is a still possible win. If it's 4-2-0-1, the next day will be 3-2-0-1 which is a very possible win.

    If we both kill innocents the ratio will be 3-2-2-1. Apollo will likely get lynched herself. The ratio would then be 3-2-1-1. 3-1-0-1 after that, or 2-1-1-1.

    SORRY FOR ALL THE NUMBERS AND RAMBLING. I guess in summary what I'm saying is that in our best case scenarios, if we do the following, these will be likely endgame ratios, assuming Apollo agrees to kill an innocent:

    Kill Apollo
    -3-1-0-1
    -3-2-0-1
    -2-1-1-1

    Kill an innocent
    -3-1-0-1
    -2-1-1-1

    April 14, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Well we will see what happens. Something is telling me Apollo isn't going to be that cooperative so one us can expect to die either tonight or voted during the day round depending on how much the town is driven to vote us.

    April 14, 2014
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    EvilGuy0613

    Ugh really hate typing with touch screen.

    April 14, 2014
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    EvilGuy0613

    I haven't been able to talk to Apollo about mafia yet and I'm not sure if I'll be able to before tomorrow morning. So just to be safe, I'm going to put in a vote to kill Apollo Justice. But I might change this later.

    April 15, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    This is probably either going to be very dumb or a very good idea but changing my vote to Lightvayne.

    I should be back before the round ends. If you're here before the round ends EvilGuy please try to talk me out of this.

    April 15, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    changing vote to Apollo Justice

    April 15, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    :(...

    April 15, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    There are two possibilities: Apollo didn't mention that I'm mafia in the Serial Killer thread, or she did.

    If she did, then I think it's safeish to say that Feral and Hindenburg aren't the Serial Killer. It could be an act, but I think Feral especially would try to just get me lynched rather than claim I'm the Tracker (Watcher?) and Hindenburg might not have said some of the things he said. Idk yet. I'd be leaning more toward eXcavator as the Serial Killer I think.

    If she didn't, my top suspect for the SK is Hindenburg lol. I'm not sure what I want to do yet. I don't have very high hopes for the remainder of this game though.

    April 15, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    dat journalist report

    I'm not sure how to take it. It smells like a trap so bad. Assuming it is entirely legitimate, it's clearly a new player. But with the amount of times they referred to Apollo with "him" and "he" it almost feels like it was intentional.

    Then again, I already had suspicions that eXcavator in particular was the Journalist, I even contacted him in private suggesting he was the Journalist earlier. I doubt anything will come from that though :/.

    But I've got a very strong feeling it could also be Bubba. Bubba would OOG hard like I think the Journalist has been. Lightvayne and eXcavator are the only two of the new players that I haven't played mafia with extensively in the past, so I'm not familiar with their use of OOG tactics unfortunately.

    Not sure how I want to proceed. I really want to get the Serial Killer lynched because I think it's entirely likely they know I'm mafia. Then again, who knows what Apollo told them!

    But that was a great Journalist article for me anyway. Especially if Apollo didn't reveal that I was the Ninja to anyone, and Hindy does end up being the Serial Killer.

    April 16, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    ALRIGHT LET'S DO THIS



    Watcher:
    Night 0: Jo Nathan was seen poking around eXcavator's house
    Night 1: Jo Nathan receives no visitors in the night, though he does slip out himself for a bit
    Night 2: Count Dooku leaves his house in the night, but he receives no visitors.
    Night 3: Apollo leaves her house in the night, but she receives no visitors
    Night 4: No one visits MajorasMask9, and you don't see him leave the house.


    Tracker:
    Night 0 - eXcavator - did not visit anyone
    Night 1 - Speed Bike Pro [deceased] - did not visit anyone
    Night 2 - (I didn't use my action this round)
    Night 3 - The Bandit - did not visit anyone
    Night 4 - "My target did visit someone, but based on who died, I am pretty positive I've nailed down either the journalist or the watcher. To protect his identity from the Mafia, I feel I should keep the result to myself for the time being."


    Journalist:
    "Apollo Justice stayed in for the evening on night 0. Hah, what a loser.

    Count Dooku left left his house during the evening, but had no visitors."

    "Black Yoshi stayed in on Night 2. He had no visitors.

    Apollo Justice was seen leaving Lady Flare's house on Night 3. Tea party, perhaps?"

    Roxas was my previous check that wasn't revealed, he stayed in and had no visitors.

    I checked Hindenburg last night in case of a slip up by the mafia, he stayed in and had no visitors."


    Summary:
    Tracker
    Night 0: eXcavator (visited no one)
    Night 1: Speed Bike Pro (vistied no one)
    Night 2: n/a
    Night 3: The Bandit (visited no one)
    Night 4: Watcher or Journalist (*doesn't know which)

    Watcher
    Night 0: eXcavator (visited by Jo Nathan)
    Night 1: Jo Nathan (no visitors, but leaves)
    Night 2: Count Dooku (no visitors, but leaves)
    Night 3: Apollo Justice (no visitors, but leaves)
    Night 4: MajorasMask9 (no visitors, doesn't leave)

    Journalist
    Night 0: Apollo Justice (no visitors, doesn't leave)
    Night 1: Count Dooku (no visitors, but leaves)
    Night 2: Black Yoshi (no visitors, doesn't leave)
    Night 3: Lady Flare (Apollo visits, Flare stays)
    Night 4: Roxas (no visitors, doesn't leave)
    Night 5: Hindenburg (no visitors, doesn't leave)


    What I can gather from this is that eXcavator is not the Journalist or the Watcher. He would have been seen Night 0, since the Journalist left his house. That makes Lightvayne the most likely Journalist. His mistakenly referring to Apollo as "him" would be natural considering they had only just met. This would also be the only way I could imagine the Watcher contacting Lightvayne and sharing results.

    Lightvayne got in contact with the Watcher at the beginning of Night 4, before either of them would have gotten the results of that night. I... really have no clue how this meeting could have taken place. Lightvayne seemed *positive* he could trust his source. The only link I could see would be if the Watcher figured out Jo Nathan was the Tracker and got in contact with him, but Jo Nathan's statement in Day 5 suggests he was not in contact with either of them up until then. There's no way they could have met otherwise. This leads me to believe the Watcher could possibly be Bubba, someone who isn't afraid to use OOG to the fullest. Maybe even Feral. I think the fact that he contacted the Journalist was a coincidence.

    The Journalist listing Roxas and Hindenburg as not being visited or leaving their houses is very telling... if it's true. Going forward, I'll assume it is just because I think the odds of them having a reason to lie are low. This mostly confirms them as either a Townie or Serial Killer.

    Feral has been acting very sure of himself lately. I wouldn't say it's unlikely that he's the Watcher. I think it's very unlikely that he's the Serial Killer. I'm going to think this through more later. What bothers me about this is how he didn't say he was 100% positive of the Journalist's identity until *just now* (Day 6.)

    2. Roxas - *Townie or Serial Killer* (very likely confirmed no power role)
    5. Jo Nathan - Tracker
    7. MajorasMask9 - Ninja
    11. Feral Wolf - ??? (Watcher or Townie)
    14. eXcavator - *Townie or Serial Killer* (confirmed no power role)
    16. Bubba - ??? (Watcher or Serial Killer or Townie)
    19. Lightvayne - Journalist
    24. Hindenburg - *Townie or Serial Killer* (very likely confirmed no power role)

    This is a very vague list but I think I can narrow it down after some more though. If I had to make a legitimate guess for each role, I'd say...


    2. Roxas - Townie
    5. Jo Nathan - Tracker
    7. MajorasMask9 - Ninja
    11. Feral Wolf - Watcher
    14. eXcavator - Serial Killer
    16. Bubba - Townie
    19. Lightvayne - Journalist
    24. Hindenburg - Townie

    April 16, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Feral can't be the Watcher

    Reading through the Day round more, I feel like it's impossible for Feral to be the Watcher. He claimed that *I* was the Watcher, or even Lightvayne. This by itself seems like it could have been his attempt at a trap (get me to say "yeah, I'm the Watcher" so he could prove me wrong) but he referred to the role as the "Tracker" twice. If he was the watcher and wanted to pull a gambit like that I'm pretty sure he'd get his own role name straight.

    2. Roxas - Townie
    5. Jo Nathan - Tracker
    7. MajorasMask9 - Ninja
    11. Feral Wolf - Townie
    14. eXcavator - Serial Killer
    16. Bubba - Watcher
    19. Lightvayne - Journalist
    24. Hindenburg - Townie

    April 16, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Also, I think the Serial Killer is a toss up between eXcavator and Roxas.

    April 16, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    What really bothers me about the Watcher is that they watched Jo Nathan leave his house twice, and yet even when he claimed Tracker they still revealed their results to Lightvayne? I'm so hung up on this. I think eXcavator is 100% confirmed no power role (unless he's SK.)

    The only way I think the Watcher would reveal to Lightvayne is if he himself is the Watcher, but who would the Journalist be in that case?

    Care to explain where you [Apollo] went then?
    -Lightvayne, Day 4


    This makes me think he's definitely a watching role (Watcher or Journalist) because it seems like he KNOWS Apollo left her house. But it makes me lean more toward Watcher than Journalist. As in, the Watcher saw Apollo leave her house Night 3, but not where she was going. The Journalist saw her at Lady Flare's house. If Lightvayne is the Watcher, I think Bubba might be the Journalist.

    April 16, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    MajorasMask9 should be a Smash character because he's the best ninja I've ever met.
    -Jo Nathan, Smash Bros Forum


    NOT SURE IF REFERRING TO THE FACT THAT I POSTED AT THE SAME TIME AS HIM OR HINTING AT THE FACT THAT HE KNOWS I'M THE NINJA IN MAFIA

    April 16, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    If Lightvayne posted is legitimate it cofirms some suspicions I had but dismissed earlier: Bubba is the Journalist (calling Apollo "him" intentionally) and Lightvayne is the Watcher, pretending to be in contact with the Watcher.

    2. Roxas - Townie or Serial Killer
    5. Jo Nathan - Tracker
    7. MajorasMask9 - Ninja
    11. Feral Wolf - Townie
    14. eXcavator - Serial Killer or Townie
    16. Bubba - Journalist
    19. Lightvayne - Watcher
    24. Hindenburg - Townie

    April 16, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Another point in favor of Bubba being the Journalist is back when he wanted white lancer to confirm the time of a Journalist article, as if he already knew that the article was posted much earlier in the day. I think this confirms my list.

    Just need to narrow down the Serial Killer to one person--Roxas or eXcavator--and lynch them during the day. Still leaning toward eX.

    April 16, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    And now that's confirmed. My list is accurate. I think it's too likely that eXcavator is the Serial Killer. Roxas seemed to have no idea that I was mafia, and I think eXcavator unfortunately knows I'm the Ninja. I need him dead if I want to win.

    April 16, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Mafia Game 26 Simulator 2014:

    -eX gets hostkilled and Hindy gets lynched:
    4-1-1
    3-1-1
    Lightvayne, Feral, Roxas, Majora, Bubba

    -eX get lynched and doesn't reveal I'm mafia:
    5-1-1
    4-1-1
    Lightvayne, Feral, Roxas, Hindy, Majora, Bubba
    3-1-1
    2-1-1
    Feral, Roxas, Majora, Bubba

    -eX reveals that I'm the Ninja
    every1dies townwins

    I think if I have any chance in the game, all I need to do is make it past this round and then convince Feral or Roxas to not vote for me. I think I'd have more luck convincing Feral to vote for Roxas than I would have convincing Roxas to vote for Feral.

    Odds don't seem all that bad, but REALLY depend on eXcavator being the Serial Killer and not talking.

    April 16, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I know this was brought up in the main thread, but just to be doubly safe and sure that it gets noticed: will eXcavator be hostkilled at the end of this round? I think the only way I'll be comfortable voting Hindy is if eX gets killed as well.

    April 16, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    And lol, the more I think about it the more I absolutely don't believe Bubba is telling the truth about Hindenburg at all. Might want to try to work with him late on, especially if this Serial Killer stuff gets sorted out.

    April 17, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I think Feral thinks that I'm the Serial Killer. So I'm really hoping that eXcavator or Hindy/Roxas (whoever dies anyway) are the SK. If there's one thing I've noticed about Feral this game it's that he's become very overconfident, and has been quick to jump to conclusions that have ended up wrong.

    I think--if he thinks I'm the Serial Killer--once he sees that someone else was the SK he'll be surprised. So surprised that I think his initial reaction will be "If Majora's not the Serial Killer, then he's innocent." I think it will leave a good impression on him that will give me some brownie points for the final vote (assuming I make it that far (:S)...)

    April 17, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Another day, another dead Townie. Who would you like to kill tonight?

    April 18, 2014
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    white lancer

    I'm definitely going to stall the night round for as long as possible (sorry white lancer (cry).) I'm at a fairly decent position and I could definitely see myself taking a win for the mafia.

    It's obviously going to be a tossup between Jo Nathan and Lightvayne. Jo Nathan is the tracker and he had suspicions of both myself and Roxas. Lightvayne didn't seem to be too suspicious of me as far as I remember, and played it safe with the vote for Hindenburg. Killing Bubba would be a bad play as much as I expect his article and allignment to cause some trouble.

    Feral and Roxas are the two townies and I'll need to convince one to lynch the other. I'm probably going to get Feral to want to lynch Roxas. When Feral sees I'm not the Serial Killer, I think he's going to be surprised and likely side with me, especially after I brought up my suspicions of Roxas in the previous round. However, Feral has also done a nice job of looking suspicious himself. I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up not putting up much of a fight if I voted for him.

    So much to think about but I'll drag the night on a bit longer.

    April 18, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    I think I'm going to kill Jo Nathan this round like I had originally planned (this isn't my decision or anything, just talking things through to myself.)

    I've been thinking it through and I think Jo Nathan would be dangerous to keep alive. Jo knows me. We both know that we're sneaky mafia players, and with him already a bit suspicious of me, I think he'd be in favor of lynching me over Roxas to play it safe.

    Lightvayne on the other hand has never played a single game with me. He knows who I am, we've talked a bit before, but he doesn't know my mafia playstyle at all. He doesn't know Roxas's playstyle at all either. I think that would be too much in my best interest to pass up. Having someone objectively look at the facts of the game--without any preconceptions about the players involved--would be a bit better for me.

    I really miss Dooku/The Bandit/Black Yoshi/EvilGuy/hezekiah :'(. It's so empty in here :(.

    April 18, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    And for what it's worth, I'm intentionally not striking a deal with Bubba. I considered it back during Day 6, but I don't think it's a good plan. The second he learns my identity, there's nothing stopping him from writing an article stating "MajorasMask9 sent me a notification saying he's mafia. Lynch him." Too big of a risk when it seems like Feral is more suspicious of Roxas, and Roxas is more suspicious of Feral.

    April 19, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    Well it was nice stalling the round out but I'm going to have to put my action in now. Going to sleep and not sure if I'll be back before the Night ends.

    Vote to kill Jo Nathan

    Now just one more thing... Will the mafia win Game 26? Heads: yes

    April 19, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    WHAT HAVE I DONE

    April 19, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    And for what it's worth you guys I still really did love this team :'). Just wish we had more time together :(.

    April 19, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    It's okay. You left them a nice memorial so they know you care. ;)

    April 19, 2014
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    white lancer

    GTX0 COIIIIIN

    April 19, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

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