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game 28 mafia thread

Posted July 21, 2014 by `Roxas`

Why, what a bunch of ne'erdowells we have in here!

Apollo Justice, you are the
Black Yoshi, you are hte
hezekiah, you are the
Chaos Incarnate, you are the
Helius, you are the

Do note that you have a member hidden among the townspeople. This person can not join you, but they do count in your side for winning or losing the game.

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Apollo Justice, you are the Executioner! When a total of 1/3 living players have submitted a vote for a target, you may choose to put them away with a method of your choosing.

Black Yoshi, you are the Janitor! You may choose to hide the body of somebody who is killed at Night.

hezekiah, you are the Ballot Forger! You may select any person during the Night round who's vote you will change to a target of your selection. This must be done when choosing your target.

Chaos Incarnate, you are the Godfather! You show up as innocent in any Cop checks.

Helius, you are the Mafioso! Sit back and listen to what you're told to do (not really, but you have nothing to do other than play).

July 21, 2014
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`Roxas`

God damn it, there's a Fool.

I guess mine is the only night action we have this first night. Does their vote count only if they cast one, or do I guarantee their vote for my chosen target?

I'm thinking I might make Hindenburg vote for himself. What do y'all think of that?

July 21, 2014
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hezekiah

Does their vote count only if they cast one, or do I guarantee their vote for my chosen target?

Regardless if they vote or not, whoever you want them to vote for is who they vote for.

July 21, 2014
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`Roxas`

I'm thinking I might make Hindenburg vote for himself. What do y'all think of that?


There's no telling at this point, so may as well go with your instinct.

Are we voting to kill someone this night or does it have to wait?

July 21, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

Not tonight, but on Night 1 you will be allowed to vote for somebody to kill.

July 21, 2014
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`Roxas`

I had a reply but it didn't post... but! I'll play like a normal game.

July 21, 2014
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Helius

hi

July 21, 2014
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Apollo Justice

I kill people now

July 21, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Uhh, okay, I thought the Janitor role was suspended as per the Roles document...

...nevermind, just read the document over, no longer suspended, no need for a restart.

July 21, 2014
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Black Yoshi

Ihad no idea it was even suspended

I was making sure I wasn't using suspended roles (such as the fool)

July 21, 2014
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`Roxas`

Yeah, I'll make Hindenburg vote for Hindenburg.

July 21, 2014
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hezekiah

Do you guys think that we should lynch Majora's Mask next round? I'm not sure I trust him.

July 22, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

Also @ Roxas. Does Hindenburg's original vote actually count before the day is over? Like, could Apollo still execute Evilguy Hindenburg's vote was needed?

July 22, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

His vote counts for himself throughout the round.

July 22, 2014
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`Roxas`

Well, the other possibility is that MM9 is the Traitor.

July 22, 2014
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Helius

Why would he be the traitor though? He asked us to lynch him. That would be a fairly dangerous game.

Perhaps he knows that the fear would keep people from voting for him, but he should also know that, that won't hold them back forever if we don't lynch him.

July 22, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

He asked us to nightkill him. If we lynched him, the game would be over; he wants to win, but not to simply end the game on Day 1 (which would make this the quickest completed Mafia game in GTX0 history). I say we nightkill him and then I hide the body; that will keep the Town guessing.

Also, I'm womdering if mayhap somewhere down the line we should nightkill one of our own and then I hide that body. That would really throw the Town for a loop. Of course, we'd have to keep our numbers in mind -- if we're down to just two or three of us (provided I'm one of that duo or trio), it would be idiotic, but even if we're down only one person, it might be a good strategy. Thoughts?

July 23, 2014
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Black Yoshi

Also, I'm womdering if mayhap somewhere down the line we should nightkill one of our own and then I hide that body. That would really throw the Town for a loop.


The only way that would work is if I did it, and I claimed Mafia at the very end of a round before anyone could change their vote to me. It's worth a shot though and it would throw them through a loop. (look)

July 23, 2014
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Helius

I say we nightkill him and then I hide the body; that will keep the Town guessing.

I agree.

July 23, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

Also, I'm womdering if mayhap somewhere down the line we should nightkill one of our own and then I hide that body. That would really throw the Town for a loop. Of course, we'd have to keep our numbers in mind -- if we're down to just two or three of us (provided I'm one of that duo or trio), it would be idiotic, but even if we're down only one person, it might be a good strategy. Thoughts?


As for this, I don't see it being worth it. I mean, they could just assume that the fisherman got the vigilante item and killed one of us. I don't see how it would put them in THAT much of a loop so I can't say that I agree with this unless the Town somehow becomes onto us, and they figure us out, so we kill one of our own to make it look like one of us isn't actually mafia. I still don't think it's too good of an idea though.

Besides, we'll probably want to keep as many of us alive as possible to outnumber the town.

July 23, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

Hey, my apologies for being away - I'll have more input come tomorrow.

Good team combo BTW. We got dis

July 24, 2014
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Apollo Justice

I vote we kill Majora. If we don't lynch him today, the town may lynch him next round. And if it turns out that he is actually the fool, we'd be fucked too.

I also still think we should hide the body. It'll keep them guessing at least. We may even be able to use the fool card to our advantage later on if shit hits the fan.

July 25, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

Agree with Chaos. Vote to kill Majora and I'll hide the body.

July 25, 2014
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Black Yoshi

I don't think Majora should be our night kill, it really doesn't help us.. and confusing the town at this point isn't worth it because he's almost certainly the Fool.

I think we should throw some other ideas out there. If we were to take a shot in the dark, I'd probably suggest Jo Nathan or chiefsonny. I'll have to read over Day 1 again to make a (hopefully much) better judgment.

and sorry for not typing much I'm on my phone but WILL BE ON COMPUTER TOMORROW

July 25, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Wasting a night kill on him is not helpful for us at all in terms of numbers. We NEED to be killing the town, and who knows how many more kills we can get? Executioner kills aren't something to rely on. I highly dissuade anyone from killing Majora tonight :/ Unless I am totally missing something I just don't see how it could be better to do that over killing a Townsmember... aka the people we are supposed to be killing.

July 25, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Voting Jo Nathan right now for the sake of a MAJORAty not winning on Majora and ending the round early not just because I want to kill Jo Nathan because idk who yet

July 25, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Also using the fool card would be pretty ineffective IMO especially if the body is hidden because everyone will almost definitely just assume Majora was the Fool. I mean he claimed it. Using another player's card ESPECIALLY if it's a power role os loads more effective while we still have the Janitor.

July 25, 2014
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Apollo Justice

I think we have enough advantages already. We should be able to afford this kill. I think it's worth doing this over the risk of getting a game over.

I'd like to kill a townie, but I just don't think it's worth the risk.

July 25, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

... I don't understand what "risk" there is in killing someone who isn't Majora? They're all town members EXCEPT him.

July 25, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Oh, you mean if someone else is the Fool? IDK, I'm pretty convinced that he is and legitimately made a mistake in thinking he would get points even if the Mafia killed him but then again I don't see him overlooking something like that.

I actually totally forgot that the Fool being lynched ended the game.. I guess I was just running so hard under the assumption that Majora was the Fool and that third party roles never normally end the game but I've never played with the Fool before. Sorry for seeming so hard-headed, i was being the hard-headed one!

... but regardless I still don't think Majora should be our kill >_<

July 25, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Geez that hard-headed comment came out wrong. I think (hope) everyone gets my point that I did indeed totally miss something. DAMN YOU APOLLO

carry on.. nothing to see here... {boo}

July 25, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Also, so long as the Executioner kill doesn't count as a lynch, I seriously think we should just convince the town to vote for Majora to be Executioner killed. I have a feeling they could get on board since he's obviously suspicious anyways.. it'd kill a few birds with one stone. It'd also let us kill someone else tonight.

July 25, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Well, there is still possibility that Majora is the Traitor. If he knew that he only got to join our little club by death, then he would need a way to do that, but on second thought, it's putting himself in a very risky position. Nevermind that.

July 25, 2014
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Helius

.. Oh. A Traitor. There is a Traitor. {fp}

Well, at least we know it's PN!!!

July 25, 2014
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Apollo Justice

I'm going to vote that we kill MM9 just to get rid of the body and not do as the town dictates (cause they don't want us to hide the body)

July 25, 2014
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Helius

I don't like using a nightkill on MM at this point. I'm voting with AJ to kill Jo Nathan.

I'll make Speed Bike Pro vote for white lancer.

July 25, 2014
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hezekiah

Your votes resulted in a tie! But with the Godfather's vote being for MM9, he's the kill tonight!

He was the... Townie!

Boy, he sure fooled you lot.

July 26, 2014
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`Roxas`

Damn. Didn't see that coming.

July 26, 2014
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Black Yoshi

I sort of did because I didn't think MM9 was the Fool, but I'm betting that he knew who was or had an idea and wanted to prevent from that person from killing themselves.

My guesses for Fools are: Speed or Hindy.

July 26, 2014
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Helius

Yes, Speed and Hindy have been acting like they WANT people to be suspicious of them and lynch them. It's quite possible that they are the fool.

And given that the Town will likely consider the fool out of play, we may of just created an even worse situation. It's a shame that I didn't foresee this.

I don't know. We're gonna have to be careful, but hope that the town doesn't lynch the fool.

Either way I suggest that we kill one of those 2 next round. But at this point I don't know if I should be listened to.

July 26, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

I'll never oppose killing Hindenburg.

One option we may have for progressing in the game would be to have one of us claim Fool when targeted for a lynch. If they believe it, great. If not, maybe have one of the rest of us come out and say "well he might actually be the Fool, cuz Majora wasn't" or similar.

It takes 6 votes for an Executioner kill, so we should be aware of what counts various people get to be at.

@Roxas: does the Governor stop Executioner kills in addition to lynches?

July 26, 2014
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hezekiah

I don't think any of us are at suspicion though technically, I might be close to it since I'm sticking my neck out a little bit for Hindy, Speed, and Lightvayne. Maybe someone else will listen to me in regards to that, but I wouldn't jump on my bandwagon just yet because that's a dangerous way to play.

July 26, 2014
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Helius

Oh, Bandit... <3

But he might be a good choice to get rid of especially if he's going to keep on doing stuff like that.

July 26, 2014
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Helius

If Bandit remains the only one, we may want to wait for another day. If we kill him instantly we'll pretty much confirm his suspicions to some townies.

July 26, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

Also, I'm womdering if mayhap somewhere down the line we should nightkill one of our own and then I hide that body. That would really throw the Town for a loop. Of course, we'd have to keep our numbers in mind -- if we're down to just two or three of us (provided I'm one of that duo or trio), it would be idiotic, but even if we're down only one person, it might be a good strategy. Thoughts?

I have an idea though for this now that i'd like to throw out though. One of us claims to be the cop, and claims that he found some people to be guilty. These would obviously be town members.

It would be suspicious if the cop found more guilty people by chance. So make the majority of claims innocent. And naturally the one claiming to be the cop would claim that some of us came up as innocent.

Then the night afterwards, we kill the one who claimed to be the cop, and we hide the body.

This would probably be most ideal to use if the actual cop is dead and we hid his body though.

July 26, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

Seriously, Hindenburg may or may not be the Fool in this game, but he's a fool in general, so...

Ahem...anyway...

@Chaos: That would actually be a pretty damned good strategy, just so long as I'm still alive to use my action. We'd have to do that around Night 3-4ish at least, and usually when I'm Mafia I'm lucky to last that long.

...which reminds me, @Roxas: Can you post the Night Action priority next Night round, please?

July 26, 2014
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Black Yoshi

He posted this in the day round...

Mafia Kill
Fisherman's Chance
Cop Check
Janitor Hide

July 26, 2014
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hezekiah

Governor stops all day kills.

July 27, 2014
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`Roxas`

@Hezy: Thanks, must have missed that.

July 27, 2014
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Black Yoshi

@Roxas

Is there anyway we can send anonymous message to the town saying that the Fool isn't dead? Because it's going to be very annoying if we mislynch and the game gets canned.

July 27, 2014
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Helius

I suppose that would work. There hasn't been an issue with it before. Just get a message together and it will be posted as if nobody saw the person post it.

July 27, 2014
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`Roxas`

Something like this?

hi town, mafia here. MajorasMask9 was not the fool


July 27, 2014
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hezekiah

Or, even more mysterious:

MajorasMask9 was not the Fool


No one needs to know it was the Mafia who posted it.

July 28, 2014
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Black Yoshi

Kind of defeats the purpose to do so without who it's from.

July 28, 2014
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`Roxas`

I guess it's a lesson that the Janitor isn't always a helpful role to the Mafia.

July 28, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Also, I'll remain indifferent and it's up to the Host's discretion, but allowing the Mafia to anonymously put messages in the thread could have some backlash by players after the game. Just something to keep in mind since it wasn't outlined in the rules (but then again, the governor is generally allowed to post messages anonymously and it's not normally outlined IIRC)

July 28, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Well, I don't think we need to worry about that. Mafia has left messages before. This actually could work to our advantage as it causes some confusion, but I suggest that we leave a message for them as such:

~Mafia

July 28, 2014
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Helius

Lol. Yes

July 28, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Only thing is, we need to be careful about whom we nightkill tonight. If we post that message, then nightkill the Fool, it'll be moot.

July 29, 2014
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Black Yoshi

Delay the message then?

July 29, 2014
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Helius

Not necessarily; we just need to nightkill someone we know/feel isn't the Fool (and hope we don't end up killing the Traitor instead).

July 29, 2014
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Black Yoshi

Also, mayhap another strategy could have one of us claiming a power role later on in the game, even if that role is still alive, then nightkilling and hiding the body of anyone who counterclaims.

July 29, 2014
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Black Yoshi

Wait, why do we need the actual fool alive again? We can just hide his body. The town won't know who he was. But i'm slow today.

Anyway, if we're trying to kill the fool after all, and i'm misunderstanding something here, I say we go for Hindenburg.

If we're not trying to kill the fool for some reason, I say we go for Pirate_Ninja or Chiefsonny. I think there's a decent chance that they are power roles.

July 30, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

Or Speed Bike Pro honestly. The way he's acting may be some backwater tactic to throw everyone else off that he's a power role.

Though i'm not sure if that's a good idea considering that he is the only one who voted for me. But I wouldn't be against voting for him either.

July 30, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

What we're talking about is posting a message to the Town telling them the Fool is still alive, but that wouldn't work if we nightkilled the Fool, hidden body or not.

July 30, 2014
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Black Yoshi

So are we going through with this plan?

July 30, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

I'd be fine with not telling them the fool's dead. Hindy certainly wants everybody to think it's him. Speed's an option for tonight's kill, but is there anybody else who jumps out as a possible power role?

I'm thinking I'll change Hindy's vote tomorrow, but am open for suggestions as to who it should be for.

July 30, 2014
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hezekiah

I still want to kill Jo Nathan especially after his vote for Hindenburg.

I don't think Hindenburg is the Fool and he LITERALLY ALWAYS dies at the beginning of games so I don't support a vote for him.

July 30, 2014
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Apollo Justice

I'm okay with killing Jo Nathan though lancer might be an option as well.

July 30, 2014
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Helius

Eh fair enough. I'll vote for Jo Nathan.

July 30, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

Vote for Jo Nathan. And I think I'll hide his body as well (unless anyone objects).

July 30, 2014
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Black Yoshi

Jo Nathan it is.

July 30, 2014
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Helius

I AM REALLY SORRY IF HE'S THE TRAITOR I JUST GOT A WEIRD VIBE FROM HIM FROM THE BEGINNING

Like, voting for Hindenburg when (for example) he had seemed like the most likely Fool suspect to many.. just kind of a random vote <__<

I am known to kill our own Traitor tho so pls let's be careful ;~;

OR possibly he's even the Cop and checked Hindenburg and Hindenburg is the Traitor and discretely voted for him IDK

July 30, 2014
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Apollo Justice

You have killed Jo Nathan.

Unfortunately for you, he was the Traitor.

Man, is that AJ a psychic or what?

July 31, 2014
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`Roxas`

rest in peace my life

July 31, 2014
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Apollo Justice

I AM SO SORRY

July 31, 2014
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Apollo Justice

It's not that big of a deal. He may of been smart, but he couldn't particular be helpful to us for sure. For the most part, all we did was waste a kill.

July 31, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

Jo Nathan... I hope this makes up for Adventure. You know what I mean by that when you'll read this.

Also... Prophet Apollo or Prophet Justice. While I think the first has a nice ring to it, you might prefer the latter. Let me know what to start calling you.

July 31, 2014
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Helius

Alright, so it seems like I may raise suspicion no matter what I do at this point.

It's risky, but perhaps we can get away with me claiming to be the cop. then have you all kill me and hide the body next round if this gets out of hand.

What do you all think?

July 31, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

Could work...

July 31, 2014
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Black Yoshi

I don't think you need to claim it until a lot of people actually start voting for you, which doesn't seem too likely in the immediate moment, but could change. I'd only do a cop claim if you were REALLY desperate, and technically you could already have an innocent verdict to back you up.

July 31, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Nobody mention the Executioner. 2 more votes for Bandit gets him taken care of.

July 31, 2014
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hezekiah

@Roxas: Am I able to hide the body of an Executioner kill or is the Janitor's action Night-round only?

August 1, 2014
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Black Yoshi

kill the bandit now

August 1, 2014
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Apollo Justice

HE MUST DIE BY MY HAND

I SWING THE AXE IN HIS GENERAL DIRECTION AND HE DIES

August 1, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Hindenburg's vote was never changed, right?

August 1, 2014
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Apollo Justice

I think his vote was changed actually. I didn't quite understand what hez was going for. I can vote for him if you really want me to.

The fact that I wanted someone lynched and my reasons for wanting that in it self may be enough to justify me in enough people's eyes.

August 1, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

I'm thinking I'll change Hindy's vote tomorrow, but am open for suggestions as to who it should be for.


Doesn't look like he ever did change Hindenburg's vote so I think we're fine. He got the 6 votes and I killed his butt before Lady Flare replied.

I wouldn't vote for The Bandit if I were you at this point because people might assume you're doing it to overstep the Ballot Forger's vote. Any more votes for him will seem pretty suspicious, and I think everyone's going to hone in on those who voted for him anyways (AKA none of us unless I'm mistaken).

You've got a pretty little innocent verdict on you and it's a good thing to take advantage of {y}

August 1, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Doesn't look like hezekiah ever did change Hindenburg's vote so I think we're fine. The Bandit got the 6 votes and I killed his butt before Lady Flare replied.
****

August 1, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Yeah, I didn't end up giving Hindy a new vote target. Worked out for us, I guess.

I think Speed is Fool, and Hindy's just pretending to be the fool as an excuse to be his usual incoherent self.

August 1, 2014
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hezekiah

Roxas just seems to be really busy. But hopefully he'll get the kill in soon.

August 1, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

Well, you guys are doing great. Hahahaha. You don't need little ol' me around.

August 1, 2014
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Helius

1. Death takes place at the end of the round, unless the Governor stops all kills.

2. Janitor hide only happens with night kills.

August 1, 2014
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`Roxas`

@Roxas, RE Janitor: That's what I thought.

August 1, 2014
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Black Yoshi

I'm hoping the emphasis on the "NEED TO KILL" will make the Governor less likely to stop the kills.

August 1, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Okay, Speed or Hindy needs to die tonight. They've contributed almost nothing to the game and it would actually help more than hurt the Town to have them nightkilled. Question is, which one dies first...?

August 1, 2014
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Black Yoshi

This is gonna be my last game until Hindy gets reined in. I say kill him.

August 1, 2014
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hezekiah

This is gonna be my last game until Hindy gets reined in. I say kill him.

Why? Just ignore him. Don't let him ruin the fun.

But I think we should get rid of Speed first.

August 2, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

The Fool ruins the game. I've said this before. Hindy is just a waste of space. Allowing him to keep playing isn't fair to the rest of the players.

August 2, 2014
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hezekiah

Definitely something that should be broight up with Majora/Apollo postgame.

August 2, 2014
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Black Yoshi

*brought

August 2, 2014
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Black Yoshi

I've brought it up like every game.

August 2, 2014
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hezekiah

I REALLY don't think Speed is the Fool.

August 2, 2014
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Apollo Justice

I'm more personally inclined to believe that Speed is the fool, but it could be either one. More people seem to want Hindenburg so I'll vote for him.

As for if we should hide his body, no idea. I'll leave that up to Black Yoshi.

August 3, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

So it's 2-1 in favor of killing Hindy, no hiding right now, is that correct?

August 3, 2014
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`Roxas`

Well, I think we'll probably wind up killing Hindy, but I think its a good idea to hide the body.

August 3, 2014
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Helius

Oh no, I meant to say I want to vote for Hindy.

August 3, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

I'll make chiefsonny vote for Lady Flare, and kill Hindenburg. Good riddance.

August 3, 2014
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hezekiah

Kill Hindy, hide body.

August 3, 2014
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Black Yoshi

Death to Hindy. That's my final answer.

August 3, 2014
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Helius

Right now we have a 4-0 vote for Hindy. Body to be hidden. Chief's vote going for Flare.

August 3, 2014
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`Roxas`

hindenburg will die

August 3, 2014
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Apollo Justice

And let's make a point to have a serious discussion about Hindy postgame.

August 3, 2014
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Black Yoshi

With a unanimous vote, you have decided to kill Hindenburg, the Fool.

August 4, 2014
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`Roxas`

Thank God he was the fool. Now there's little to worry about as long as we keep suspicion off of us.

August 4, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

ownage

August 4, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Wow. I always knew Hindy was a fool...just not THE Fool.

August 4, 2014
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Black Yoshi

I think it's a good time to make that Fool message real. I think having the town worried about the Fool only works in our favor. Besides, one of us can claim it now that Hindy is dead.

August 4, 2014
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Helius

My one worry if we go ahead with the message is that we'll keep playing as if the Fool is dead (because we know he is) whilst the rest of the Town will play as if the Fool is living (because we've told them thus), and some of the more eagle-eyed members of the Town will notice our difference in play style and then they'll start picking us off one by one like targets at a shooting gallery.

August 4, 2014
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Black Yoshi

It's ultimately 6 to 8 since we can all vote the same thing if they figure us out. I think we should play it chill for a while if we can help it.

I think we should just let them pick each other off and/or pick them off one by one. It would seem like the cop has been having bad luck with getting guilty verdicts, so we may be fine in that regard for a while too.

The Fisherman could be trouble, but that's all in chance anyway.

August 5, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

Oh 9-6 my bad. I still don't know if we should involve anything with the fool though. It may bring too much attention to us.

August 5, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

I say just let whatever's happening keep happening. Don't focus on the fool, but don't ignore it if somebody else brings it up either.

The current ratio right now is 9-5 (our Janitor kills were a Townie, the Traitor and the Fool). With my power, it's kinda like 8-6. So hopefully we can wrap this up pretty soon.

I might come out strong against Speed, claiming I think he's acting really suspicious but I'm hesitant to lynch him because he's been SO obvious I think he's the Fool. The hope would be that some townies would talk me into voting for him and get him to be our lynch target. Thoughts?

August 5, 2014
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hezekiah

I'd say go for it but be careful.

That said, I'm inclined to believe that lancer is the Fisherman. His latest post...

(and have the Vig, if they're still alive, take a shot in the night round)


...struck a particularly strange chord within me. Sure, it could be an honest mistake, but it seems more like he knows something that even we don't. He's not one to make such mistakes that often, so either he's the Fisherman and he has a gun, or he knows who is the Fisherman and he knows they have a gun. I'm inclined to believe the former. Whatever the case, lancer is one to consider for tonight's kill.

August 5, 2014
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Black Yoshi

Also, I'd like to think you'd look mighty suspicious if Speed was lynched and the Town realized he wasn't the Fool.

August 5, 2014
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Black Yoshi

Pirate_Ninja seems like a good bet for next night lynch. I thought he may of been a power role before this anyway.

August 5, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

It seems I somehow got Pirate_Ninja and White Lancer mixed up. Oh well. White Lancer is alright too.

August 5, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

Okay, I'm just going to come out an apologize for my (soon-to-be) massive fuckup this round, I've had a lot on my mind lately, far more than usual for me, even during busy school semesters, and my mind has been in a million places at once. I might be the one who needs to claim Fool later in the round, then have you guys nightkill me and I'll crawl somewhere no one can find me before I die (that is, I'll hide my own body).

August 6, 2014
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Black Yoshi

I wouldn't worry about it. Doesn't seem like a whole lot of people are playing at this point because of the revamp stuff or because they think the town is screwed.

August 6, 2014
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Helius

I don't think there's a need for that yet. This round will probably end passively, then we'll get another kill in.

August 7, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

Black Yoshi I'm just trying to swing the vote off of you subtly AND I DON'T MEAN WHAT I'M SAYING it's just to try and make people think you're innocent <b3

August 7, 2014
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Apollo Justice

also I have always imagined the Executioner as looking like



and makes me laugh bc that's me

August 7, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Understood, Apollo, no hard feelings.

August 7, 2014
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Black Yoshi

Didn't even see your post btw but you seriously didn't make any fuck ups, it doesn't sound like anyone is overly suspicious of you and I'll definitely step in to try and stop your lynching if people go for it. We can definitely try and make things go our way and I think you'll be fine :)

Also, I really hope things get better soon for you. Having a lot on your mind (especially negative things or when bad things are going on) makes pretty much everything else harder and more stressful... I just hope you can find enough fun things to do to help keep the bad feelings at bay and stay positive <b3

August 7, 2014
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Apollo Justice

But no seriously you've done a good job so far of acting like your Townie self at least IMO and Speed Bike Pro isn't after you like he usually is so that says something :P

August 7, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Also I think Lightvayne might be the Cop but IDK. I think he should be our next night kill <__<

August 7, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Quite honestly, I think the Fisherman, in the right hands, is the more dangerous role for us. I remember when I was the Fisherman, I had a Bulletproof Vest, Gun, and GPS Tracker, and Tracked Godfather Zanic and killed him on the same night, basically singlehandedly winning the game for the Town. Provided our numbers remain steady, that wouldn't be a problem if the items/abilities are the same as they were last time, but if they differ and whoever is the Fisherman this time really knows the role, we could be in for a world of hurt if we're not careful. At first I was sure lancer was the Fisherman, and I'm still somewhat certain he is, despite the fact that he realized his mistake in assuming we had a Vigilante this game. He mentioned a "Killing Kit" that the Fisherman may have had, and really the only way he could have known that was one of the Fisherman's items is to actually be the Fisherman himself. Lightvayne is definitely a possibility for tonight's kill, but lancer shouldn't be ignored.

Whomever we do kill tonight, I'm hiding the body (unless the Fisherman actually does have a Gun and he gets me first).

August 8, 2014
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Black Yoshi

kill PN

August 8, 2014
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Apollo Justice

(I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS)

August 8, 2014
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Apollo Justice

You guys can do your night actions now lol DON'T THINK I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT YOU DID TO ME

August 8, 2014
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MajorasMask9

kill PN

August 8, 2014
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hezekiah

(I DO WANT TO DO THIS)

August 8, 2014
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hezekiah

And I'll make Lady Flare vote for Speed Bike Pro

August 8, 2014
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hezekiah

Kill PN

August 8, 2014
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Helius

Kill Pirate Ninja.

August 8, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

That should be all from us since Black Yoshi said he will hide the body regardless of what we do.

August 8, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

Kill PN, hide body. Also, when did Roxas become Majora...?

August 8, 2014
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Black Yoshi





the resemblance is uncanny

August 8, 2014
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Apollo Justice

It's all the hair.

August 8, 2014
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Helius

Still waiting, eh?

August 9, 2014
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hezekiah

(fedup)

August 9, 2014
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hezekiah

Sorry, Majora took my place Thursday night while I was on a date, and last night I was away from my computer (read as "getting drunk in a bar").

I'll update the main game thread momentarily.

You choose to kill and hide the body of Pirate_Ninja, the Cop.

August 9, 2014
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`Roxas`

severe ownage

August 9, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Nice, now one of us can claim Cop and get away with it.

August 9, 2014
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Black Yoshi

For our reference: current ratio is 8-5.

With the Town yearning for a roleclaim this round, I see this as an opportunity to step in and claim Cop, or even Fool. A claim of Cop at this point would be almost impossible to disprove if whomever claims it plays their cards right, and a claim of Fool especially would throw the Town for a loop.

August 9, 2014
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Black Yoshi

7-5, not 8-5. Town knows 9-6-1. We killed the Fool, the Traitor, a Townie and the Cop.

I think either BY or CI are the best options for a Cop claim. BY to keep him alive, or CI because it can't be disproven while he's alive (since he's the Godfather). Personally, I'd say it should be Chaos.


I see chief thinks I'm suspicious. When I end up posting in the game, I think I can handle the bulk of my own defense. It might end up that one of the cop's checks needs to be me, but I kinda doubt it. I may even be able to turn this around into making the town suspicious of chief, but that plan's not very fleshed-out yet.

Hosts: can you provide me with a list of the Fisherman's possible items / powers?

August 10, 2014
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hezekiah

Hm. Perhaps I should be the one to claim cop? If Lady Flare is supposedly the fisherman and somehow got cop abilities enough times, they may call a bluff. Or perhaps they are just trying to pass themselves off as the cop to take suspicion off of them I doubt that though since they pegged 3 of us. I didn't see them role reveal last round, so it would APPEAR that they are trying to claim cop.

If they are the fisherman, it could be trouble to claim cop. But if worst comes to worse we may be able to bandwagon on speed bike pro.

So now that it's day 5, we have had 5 nights including 0, correct? I'm still not sure if I show claim innocence of all of us though. They may figure out that we killed the cop and we're trying to defend other Mafia. As such, perhaps I shouldn't mention one of us. Perhaps either Apollo or Helius since they don't seem to have much suspicion on them. Is that agreeable? Or should we spread out even more? Or less?

Also, should I make some townie sided roles appear guilty? And if so which ones? Because once the town lynches them will probably see that I am a fake as there doesn't appear to be anything in THIS game that can blind the cop.

Also, for the fisherman they didn't post the entire link in the roles it seems: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Fisherman

August 10, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

Either way, the town seems like they would be very suspicious of anyone who role revealed now. And they they may be suspicious of anyone who they claim to be innocent. However it may be just enough to make the town lynch someone else, and give us (victory?) So I'm thinking everyone should have a chance to say something on this beforehand.

August 10, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

I would definitely suggest holding off on the fake reveal for now. If/when one of us claims cop, it should be primarily innocent verdicts.

I'm a little concerned about the post you made in the main thread; if I were a clueless Townie, I'd think you were a power role debating whether or not to reveal. We'll have to see how the town responds...

Regarding the Fisherman: we have no way of knowing if this game supports all the items listed on that page, is the problem


As for my planned defense against chief's lynch, I think my tactic will basically be that it was a worthwhile lynch, and I would support killing BY today (sometime after this, our fake Cop might say BY is innocent to try and keep him alive). Basic rationale being that a No Kill would've been almost as damaging, and that's IF the Ballot Forger didn't cause us to kill a townie (the mafia being unwilling to allow the Ballot Forger to indirectly get one of their own members killed).

August 10, 2014
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hezekiah

Also, even with a successful lynch today, the game might not be in the bag depending on what powers the Fisherman can get (gun coupled with either bulletproof vest or doctor power could put us in a bad way.

August 10, 2014
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hezekiah

'm a little concerned about the post you made in the main thread; if I were a clueless Townie, I'd think you were a power role debating whether or not to reveal. We'll have to see how the town responds...

As to that, I intended to make it look like Lady Flare was most likely Mafia pretending to be the Cop should I go through with it. It would also come with the implication that I was holding off because of their current judgement towards power roles. I was hoping that this may send the message to any late voters to hold off on lynching Black Yoshi for now. But I can see how this could easily backfire. Either way it PROBABLY will hold little consequence just so long as someone other than Black Yoshi or one of us gets lynched today.

August 10, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

Oh yeah, forgot to mention earlier that we can very easily get Speed killed via Executioner. With the forging of Flare's ballot, it only takes 3 more votes for SBP to meet his demise. Don't just haul off and vote, though; still want to know what the Fisherman is capable of doing. But, if we can get the town to be voting for one of their own, we could Execute our way to victory this round perhaps.

August 10, 2014
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hezekiah

Syringes (Doctor)
Magnifying Glass (Cop)
Gun (Vigilante)
Gavel (Governor)

August 10, 2014
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`Roxas`

I made my case for Speed.

August 11, 2014
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Helius

Jesus, I was typing this in the main thread...

I think I can probably get away with tossing my vote on Speed, but I think I do also need to express heavy suspicion of BY to get people like chief off my back.



Thanks for the list, Roxas. Seems like the Gavel may be our most problematic power for him to have at this stage...

August 11, 2014
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hezekiah

Claiming Cop is something that I REALLY believe we all need to reach a consensus on. It's true that Chaos made a post already that kind of hints towards it, but let's brush that aside for right now.

The person who claims Cop should probably be someone under the least amount of scrutiny. hezekiah did something questionable last round with his Lightvayne vote, and Black Yoshi has been suspected by others, so they both probably shouldn't be the Cop claims.

That leaves Helius, Chaos and I. At the risk of the Fisherman using a Cop pack (if they have that this game? still not totally sure how it works), Chaos MIGHT be the best bet since he has an Innocent verdict to his name. But I also think I could be a good Cop claim for a few reasons.

Jo Nathan should definitely be included as a check. If the Town knows that the Traitor is dead, they might get a little more comfortable and a little more open to ideas.

idk I have more to say but idk

LOVED Helius' post tho

August 11, 2014
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Apollo Justice

TL;DR of conversation I just had with AJ on FB: first, we want to get another vote on Speed so that he's a valid Executioner target (Helius + Me + other voter + Lady Flare via Ballot Forge). If a townie does it, great. If it hasn't happened by the time BY is on, he should do it.

After Speed has 4 votes, Chaos reveals as Cop. Night 0 he checked Jo Nathan (guilty), Night 1 he checked Majora (innocent), Night 2 he checked chiefsonny (innocent, open for debate), Night 3 he checked some other townie (maybe Dooku or Lancer?) (GUILTY), Night 4 he checked me (innocent). Then we hopefully get that townie lynched and win the game by also executing Speed.

August 11, 2014
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hezekiah

Won't they find it suspicious if I do that AFTER Speed has 4 votes on him though?

August 11, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

Well, you're going to be suspicious any way because they are all gunning for role-claims at the moment. Lady Flare is probably the Fisher person just the way she is acting. I suggest that we kill her tonight cause she's been a pain.

August 11, 2014
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Helius

Fair enough I suppose. I probably shouldn't be the one to vote for Speed though if I want to appear as the Cop so it's probably up to someone else unless a Townie does it, which they probably won't.

August 11, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

No, I think BY should vote for Speed whenever he gets the chance - a Townie wouldn't think a third vote on him would end the game.

We're so close to winning, guys. We need to stay on our feet and be CAREFUL.

Ratio now is 6-5. One of those votes goes to Speed, so wprst case scenario, 5 of us vote one way and the other 5 able-bodied voters vote the other way. I mean, we'll see how it goes....

But yeah BY you should vote for Speed and then we can EXECUTE HIM!!!

August 11, 2014
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Apollo Justice

One problem I have with that, though, is that I'm pretty damned high on most of the Town's suspicion list, and having said what I've said in the main thread, a vote for Speed would almost certainly cost me a lynch. If I vote right at the end of the round, maybe we could pull this thing off, but voting now is not a good idea given my position.

August 11, 2014
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Black Yoshi

No no no.

The point is for you to get us to 4 votes on Speed while the town thinks yours is only the 3rd. Then we have Chaos reveal as Cop and get a Guilty verdict on a townie. Lynch the townie and execute Speed, we win. Simple as that. Gah.

VOTE FOR SPEED.

August 11, 2014
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hezekiah

It may come back to bite us later on, but I'll do it.

August 11, 2014
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Black Yoshi

Even if we do not get another townie lynched, we win tonight. Speed gets executed. We kill someone. The end.

August 11, 2014
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Helius

Thanks, BY.

Chaos, now would be the time for you to reveal as cop. IMO FAW would be a good choice for a claimed mafia; she hasn't been around much, so hopefully she won't get a chance to defend herself before we win. I'm open to other ideas, if you have any.

August 11, 2014
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hezekiah

We DO still need AJ to confirm that she will execute SBP, however. That would be a terrible oversight!

August 11, 2014
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hezekiah

Execute the boy!

August 11, 2014
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Apollo Justice

and by boy I mean Speed Bike Pro

August 11, 2014
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Apollo Justice

A part of me feels like Cop claiming this late is... dangerous. Like people will see through it and realize the Mafia killed the Cop.

But... IDK. (:S)

August 11, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Well, this could blow up on us. So I would just hold off on the Cop claim. Use that later if necessary.

August 12, 2014
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Helius

Bleh. I'm not really sure who to listen to. Sorry I woke up extremely late today. I suppose we could afford holding off for now since we can probably kill someone.

One thing we can't overlook though: The fisherman. If they get the Vigilante role and kill one of us after we kill someone else in the night round, the game will continue, right?

But. Ugh. Idk. Even if I use the cop claim, and this drags on for another round I may just end up giving them more idea about who we are.

So basically we'll just have to hope that the Fisherman doesn't get Vigilante either way. Or that we don't try to kill the Fisherman and he ends up using the Doctor ability. Or they don't end up getting their Governor abilities this round to stop us from killing speed.

August 12, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

I will likely wake up later than the time the day round will end. If the case, and things are getting too bad someone else may have to claim.

August 12, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

See, what did I tell you? I vote for Speed and in an instant half the Town is after me. Sure, we got an innocent killed, but at what cost?

August 12, 2014
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Black Yoshi

@__@ We'll find a way around this. Hang tight, BY.

August 12, 2014
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Apollo Justice

My vote for Speed is to help ensure that BY lives. If we weren't in the situation that we are in, I think it would be best to let him die. But since we've already put all of this at stake, I figure we may as well go all out. If we kill Speed and save Yoshi, then kill someone the next night round, victory will be ours. It may be a bad decision, but I feel it's for the best.

I just hope that I'm not feeling wrong.

August 12, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

I SUGGEST YOU GUYS DO NOT BANDWAGON ON MY VOTE FOR FEMALE ALPHA WOLF.

Let's see what the Town has to say first please but PLEASE DON'T VOTE FOR HER since it'll be more suspicious than anything if people's votes are taken off of Speed and put on FAW. They'll see right through the ploy :/

August 12, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Lady Flare's vote doesn't count for Yoshi since we put her up to kill off Speed Bike Pro. Technically, we could save Yoshi by adding a vote to someone else or going no kill option.

August 12, 2014
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Helius

Right, we can force a tie if necessary (our best bet).

August 12, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Well, I just took my vote off of Speed since he's good as dead. If there are no Governor things, no Vig... we got this tonight.

August 12, 2014
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Helius

With that, BY has his votes at 2 and speed at 3 if I understand correctly. Which means if 2 last minute votes come in, BY is dead, and we are probably going to end up in trouble.

Anyway, I'm going to sleep soon. I hope this turns out right when I wake up.

August 12, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

Actually, I'm at 1 and Speed's at 4 (remember that Flare's vote was changed to Speed Bike Pro).

August 12, 2014
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Black Yoshi

CORRECTION: I'm at 2 and Speed's at 4.

August 12, 2014
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Black Yoshi

CHIEFSONNY WHAT IN TARNATION

August 12, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Also very glad to see Lady Flare be wary of FAW.

Best case scenario... we can get Speed and FAW down in one day. {y}

I still wouldn't vote for FAW yet though {:?}

August 12, 2014
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Apollo Justice

I might be able to post from mobile when the round ends. I'll try to keep an eye on things, but no guarantees. The "safe" option is just killing Speed, but getting both him and FAW would win the game. Good luck!

August 12, 2014
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hezekiah

Guys, right now I think I am in a pretty good position with the town.... but we ABSOLUTELY NEED to not kill Black Yoshi right now.

That said, I don't want to lose Lady Flare's trust in case the game does extend beyond this coming night round. But it's obviously FAW won't be dying today..

So I'm going to vote for Black Yoshi for the TIME BEING but it's still technically 4 for Speed and 4 for BY after I vote for him. I would be PERFECTLY content with a tie though.... and I think everyone who's voting has hopefully already voted.

I hope everyone's okay with this. We're just going to have to MAKE SURE that BY and Speed at the VERY LEAST have a tie... and then we can night kill and HOPEFULLY win the game.

Everyone ok with that?

August 12, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Alright, ratio is 4-4 now. It should end in a no kill aside from Speed's lynching, then. If someone else votes for BY, I'll take my vote off for sure though. He won't be dying if I got anythan' to say about it (death)

August 12, 2014
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Apollo Justice

TIE. SAVED <3

August 12, 2014
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Apollo Justice

BLACK YOSHI LIVES

IF OUR NIGHT KILL GOES THROUGH WE WIN

GUYS COME ON WE CAN DO THIS

August 12, 2014
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Apollo Justice

is no one else as excited as I am...

August 12, 2014
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Apollo Justice

wot. Why didn't the execution go through?

August 13, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Whew.

...uhh, I thought Speed was executed...???

August 13, 2014
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Black Yoshi

I say we kill lancer, assuming Speed is changed to dead. If he lived, we need to kill him since he's a confirmed innocent (we wouldn't forge a ballot onto one of our own).

August 13, 2014
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hezekiah

Lancer, I think, would be a good move. He's usually one of the stronger players, and he's got his eye on nearly all of us at this point. If I'm still alive at the end of this round, I'll hide the body, assuming of course that the Fisherman is either a) inactive, b) unsure of how the role works, or c) just doesn't have the Gun yet.

Kill Lancer, hide body if I'm still alive.

August 13, 2014
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Black Yoshi

We should be making a NK to win the game. If things were properly communicated to us, AJ would have not voted for BY and allowed Speed to be lynched. This is pretty bull.

August 13, 2014
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hezekiah

I'm inclined to want to let lancer live because he's added a lot to this game and at this point it might just be trying to pick who deserves the surviving points.

So I think FAW should probably be night killed by us but IDK, I guess it might not matter so much.

This is all assuming Speed is dead and I was informed there was a host error in not seeing my message Executing Speed. So he is supposed to be dead right now and I assume it'll be changed to reflect that.

August 13, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Majora and I will be discussing how to go about decision, as it can go two different ways.

August 13, 2014
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`Roxas`

Alright, so we can win with a night kill and no Fisherman interference. My rationale for suggesting white lancer is that he's unlikely to be saved by the Fisherman.

At least for now, I'll make FAW vote for FAW and vote for white lancer. I'm certainly open to other suggestions on both.

August 13, 2014
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hezekiah

Kill Lancer

August 13, 2014
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Helius

Eh... I just hope that Lancer either isn't the fisherman, or doesn't have an item to protect himself with. As things stand we MAY be able to survive another dayround though if we have to.

So I'll vote for Lancer.

August 13, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

fiiine... kill lancer... :'(

August 13, 2014
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Apollo Justice

So a 5-0 vote to kill lancer, hide the body, and have FAW vote for herself in the extremely slim chance that everything goes smoothly and none of you die tonight? Do I have that right?

August 14, 2014
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`Roxas`

Yes.

August 14, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Sounds about right.

August 14, 2014
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hezekiah

Hope the round updates soon... I don't wanna have to stay up too late tonight to find out if we won!

August 14, 2014
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hezekiah

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