lol don't mess with Apollo when she's Mafia. :P

Interesting... Chiefsonny and Pirate_Ninja were both power roles just as I predicted.

Anyway, twas fun.

I would comment on Hindenburg, but Majora's Mask had us all fooled beforehand anyway.

sigh...nobody wants to listen to me except for verdicts, which were of little help...

I did clue you in to them at the start of Day 4, but I thought the town was so screwed from the start that I had best hold out as long as possible - or at least until I had a definite target. I was extremely suspicious of Apollo and hezekiah at the end of Day 2 because of their treatment of the Fool dilemma, but nobody seemed interested in that line of thought so I didn't push it lest I get myself prematurely offed.


ok this is especially hurtful given that he was leading in lynch votes at the 72-hour mark of Day 4, which then went on for another 24 hours and ended in a Governor lynch

imba as fck and could we please go back to that pleasant time where nobody used the Janitor role? It drastically changes the nature of the game in a negative way imo and seems to lead to a lot of dislike and even disinterest. After seeing the role list, I would've gotten myself killed intentionally if I hadn't drawn an important one.

Yeah, the role has actually been updated already in the Mafia Roles document. I REALLY hate the role as well - unless everyone doesn't know the identity of someone when they die, it's just so overpowering (not to mention with the BF + Exec combo).



I think the main problem was that Roxas told everyone there were still 24 hours left after the round had ended. I remember waking up one morning before work, checking Mafia then and going "oh s**** I forgot to say anything, good timing" and I hadn't even seen that Black Yoshi would have been lynched by that time. Then Roxas asked Majora to do the updating for him (as we saw), but it was a decision that would have pissed off one party or another regardless since there was no "right move" to make from the way I saw it (stop the round when we were told we had more time, or stop it 24 hours late and have a lot of things potentially happen [which they did]). It did really change things {:?}

Lol @ Hindy being the Fool. I can honestly say that there was only a very small amount of time when I even considered that MM9 might be lying--I tried to figure out if there was any tangible advantage for a Townie to get themselves killed like that, came up with nothing, and assumed the Fool was dead for the rest of the game.

I had suspicions of Yoshi, Chaos, EvilGuy, and hezekiah going into the last round...and I was choosing to trust chief and Flare (fwiw, I was pretty convinced Bandit and PN were innocent before their deaths as well). Before the last round (when I added Helius to my suspect list), they were all very minor suspicions, and the main reason they all went up (and EvilGuy went down) was because of the votes for Speed. I was trying to figure out which of the four votes for Speed was the most likely innocent because I was pretty sure the majority of them were guilty. I don't know that I ever would have caught Apollo--I remember thinking it was a little weird that she was pushing to lynch FAW when it was clear that wasn't ever going to happen, but I didn't look too much into it because I just knew we needed to get A lynch off and I didn't want it to be Speed.

I think the Mafia played it fairly well...I do also think they were heavy favorites from the start, and once I realized that I had a hard time putting much effort into the game overall. Honestly, I still don't think the Janitor really had much of an impact on that particular game, but the Ballot Forger is just too powerful of a role unless the ratio is very far in the Town's favor--it's hard to balance that role because it's such a huge swing if/when the BF gets taken out and suddenly the Mafia are disadvantaged. I'll just have to accept the fact that no one else enjoys playing with the Janitor role. {:P}

I'd be ok with the Janitor role staying. I mean, I can understand the Town's frustration when they're faced against it, but in my eyes it's just another role, and it only forces people to play the game differently.

What I DO think was done wrong though was the fact roles like the janitor existed alongside multiple other Mafia power roles like it did.

While I do think the Mafia was overpowered this game, it was still a matter of survival for me near the end. I don't see the Janitor role as overpowered on its own, or combined with just the Godfather and, say, Thug, but combined the way it was with the Ballot Forger and Executioner, it's a different story.

All in all, it was a good game with some WTF moments (Day 4, for example).

I agree that it was probably hard to recover after the initial mistake



... but I still think an extension was the wrong choice.


this is moreso why I hate it than the question of balance (which I also view unfavorably). It leaves me feeling like I signed up for a day at the beach, only to show up in a swimsuit and be told "oh nobody's allowed in the water we're all just going to sit under umbrellas and read." Like...okay, there's a place for that, but I might not have bothered coming if I knew that's what I was getting into.

I know I already said this in the Dead thread, but How did you guys NOT know I was the Governor! I was trying to drop hints all over the place! :<
"I approve of this message."
"Because a vote for him, is a vote for Justice!"
"My opponent here seems to be getting his facts mixed up"
"To be fair, I though I was acting pretty much in character."

(cry)

Good game though overall :)

"Because a vote for him, is a vote for Justice!"

Legitimately thought you were the Cop because of this quote and you had gotten a guilty verdict on BY and me. {:P}

There were certainly some things in this game I don't agree with. Like changing the rules half way through. But what really annoys me the most is when people go out of their way to basically mess up the game. I'm not really talking about Hindenburg here. He was the Fool so him messing about was actually in character. But why didn't Speed vote for Black Yoshi? I'm pretty sure he didn't vote on Day 5. it would have certainly helped the Town. And just because it looks like one sided has the advantage doesn't mean you should give up.

It leaves me feeling like I signed up for a day at the beach, only to show up in a swimsuit and be told "oh nobody's allowed in the water we're all just going to sit under umbrellas and read." Like...okay, there's a place for that, but I might not have bothered coming if I knew that's what I was getting into.

I've said this before, but once a host is chosen they should REALLY post what roles are going to be used in the sign up thread. I NEVER would have joined this game had that been done, because it was so obviously pointed in the mafia's favor.

But why didn't Speed vote for Black Yoshi?

Speed literally did nothing useful the entire game. If you're not going to play, then don't sign up.

As far as the Janitor- it doesn't really matter if it's overpowered by itself or not. 90% of the players despise it, so why are we still using it?

MM9 not the fool!? Can't say I didn't call this from the beginning. I thought it was either Hinder or Speed the whole time.

But aww I'm really disappointed with how that last day went. To think we were seconds away from hitting the Janitor.

Special thanks to my teammates who ensured that I'm the only Mafia not alive to celebrate the victory. {boo}

Agree 100%

The Janitor: This role needs to be suspended. It runes the game.

I disagree with the sentiments that the Janitor should be banned outright. I think if we do what-do-you-call-it when the Janitor can only be used two or three times for the whole game, it wouldn't be an issue. My 2¢

I'm not terribly invested in either side of the issue, so it doesn't matter to me what decision is made.

I can agree with that. A few games back we had a Lazy Janitor and there were no problems with it.

Lazy Janitor, that's what it is. Thanks Bandit (look)

As I said, the role had already been updated in the Mafia forum documents and is not currently banned.

Day Four was botched, and that was all on me. I thought there was still a 24hour period left at that point.

The town had chances despite crap luck for their power roles, but those chances were never followed through on.

Now as far as Day 5 goes, there was no right way to go about it. Technically, since Flare's vote was changed without her knowledge, only Mafia members voted for Speed, meaning an Executioner kill could have been null and void. However, nothing was stated about it until after the fact. If we went through with the no kill, it would give the town at least one more chance to stay alive. And if we went the way we did, the town loses in the night.

Janitor - Selects one person during the night. If that person is Night killed, their role will be revealed to the Mafia and hidden from the rest of the town. Using a full-fledged Janitor is BANNED, but a limited-use Janitor may still be used. The maximum number of uses is up to the Host's discretion, but 3 hides is the recommended maximum. Variation: Lazy

This is what it says for me.

If it was unbanned, then why? I remember having one discussion where everyone seemed to agree that it was a shitty role. I don't remember a second discussion deciding that it should be open again.

it would've been an extra day armed with a whole lot of added info, unfortunately. Huge blow of cover imo.


SHARE MY PAIN, O BROTHER IN TRAITORDOM <y3

upon seeing it listed on Night 0, I immediately went to check the role document because I thought it was still suspended. Unless I missed some discussion on the fact, I think it was just a temporary ban that (unfortunately) lapsed.

As far as the Janitor- it doesn't really matter if it's overpowered by itself or not. 90% of the players despise it, so why are we still using it?

I can agree with this--even if I still like the role, it's clear most people do not so it's better to play without it...that's the whole reason I suspended it in the first place. As I recall, it was 'suspended' for no real time period with the understanding that it could maybe be brought back for a game or two based on the Executive Host's discretion. Clearly it's not the sort of effect we want to have every game.

Also, yeah. Going an extra day may have swung things completely because the four Mafia members who voted for Speed would have been under pretty intense scrutiny, with Apollo maybe squeaking through untarnished (she may have been able to get the vote on FAW off, though). Can't really argue what-would-have-beens, though. I think the Executioner is a pretty weak role if the Town plays correctly, and good if the Town doesn't play around it, but it's pretty bonkers with the Ballot Forger.

If we had known before the round ended that (for some reason) Flare's vote for Speed didn't count (cuz that's what the Ballot Forger does, makes a given person vote for a given other person), we would have simply made sure there were enough votes on Speed to get him lynched. Like, for example, by AJ not switching to BY right before the end of the round.

Majora and I were actually equally confused when we saw the Janitor role was no longer banned because neither one of it had unbanned it, but it could have very well been lancer before we even became Executive Hosts. I updated the Janitor role in the middle of this current game, after I saw it was unbanned (to make it a Lazy-only role)

Ah, OK. I understand now.

I never unbanned the role. Don't know when that happened.

Huh.

Did any mods mess with the Mafia Roles document? No big deal, just wondering because that's very strange.

I think it has to be Global and above? I'm not sure if that got broken or not. The only thing I have messed with (and it's been a while) is the player scores when I've updated things.

Speaking of the player scores...?

...when are player scores going up for this game (Game 28, that is)...?

Maybe it would be best if Majora/Apollo just went ahead and made them.

Yay scores