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game 29 main thread night 1

Posted August 21, 2014 by Castrael

Good morning! It's currently Day 1.

It's currently Day and everyone is starting to wake up from their slumber. Breakfast has been made and the food awaits in the Dining Hall. The scary butler is not so scary after all, huh? Guests leave their rooms and as they sniff the air; the smell of fresh coffee lingers through the halls. There's also orange juice for those who don't like coffee. The butler counts the guests and disappears with a wide grin on their face. These are the current guests:

The Players
  • MajorasMask9
  • Black Yoshi
  • white lancer
  • EvilGuy0613
  • Speed Bike Pro
  • Bubba
  • Lightvayne
  • Roxas
  • Jo Nathan
  • Chaos Incarnate
  • SDYoshi
  • Lady Flare
  • The Bandit
  • Pirate Ninja
  • Apollo Justice
  • Count Dooku
  • Hindenburg
  • chiefsonny
  • hezekiah

    Ratio
    5, 14, 1

    Night Priorities
  • Person can use their gun.

    Still Alive
  • Townies x10 , Cop , Gunsmith , Lawyer, Double Voter
  • Mafiaso x2 , Mafia Investigator , Framer , Godfather
  • Serial Killer

    Notes
  • OOG is not allowed.
  • Night talk will be on. (Since Night Talk is on, **DO NOT make any votes at night. If you do, you will be penalized.)
  • Vote Locking will be on. (Vote locking is when a person is not allowed to change their vote once it is cast for that round.)
  • If you haven’t made your action and 24/72 hours are up, the game will continue as it should.
  • If you have a gun to use, let me know via PM and I’ll post it in the main thread.
  • Framer are taken from Epic Mafia.

    You have 72 hours or until all actions are in.

    • There are 82 Replies

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    Sorry if there was any confusion. I made a few typos. And, apparently, I forgot to add that. {fp} Carry on!

    August 21, 2014
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    Castrael

    Grrrrr. I forgot to add {/u]

    August 21, 2014
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    Castrael

    For people too lazy to look up the Framer role:
    Makes one person appear to be guilty to the cops and appear to have a gun to the snoop.


    Seems like an interesting role. Does the "Frame" only last the round it used on the person, or does the framed person stay framed for the entire game?

    August 21, 2014
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    Lightvayne

    Oh, just noticed there is a Cereal Serial Killer also....Interesting....

    August 21, 2014
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    Lightvayne

    Lots of Townies, few power roles, no OP mafia roles and plenty of room for error makes me think a Day1 lynch is in order.

    August 21, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Lots of Townies, few power roles, no OP mafia roles and plenty of room for error makes me think a Day1 lynch is in order.

    August 21, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Lightvayne:
    Does the "Frame" only last the round it used on the person, or does the framed person stay framed for the entire game?


    The person will appear guilty on cop reports that night.

    Lightvayne: Does the "Frame" only last the round it used on the person

    Yes, that's correct. :)

    August 21, 2014
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    Castrael

    Omg, I just realized. I forgot the voting:

    13 votes are needed or until all actions have been made.

    August 21, 2014
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    Castrael

    This game is SPOOKY

    August 21, 2014
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    Yeah I know, and it's not even Halloween yet. {boo}

    August 21, 2014
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    Jo Nathan

    Cereal Killer?
    But....I need to eat my cereal! That's why it's breakfast!

    August 21, 2014
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    SDYoshi

    Plus it's entirely impossible for us to accurately rely on our cop.

    With both a Godfather and a Framer, we don't have a lot if accuracy here.

    August 21, 2014
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    SDYoshi

    Lots of Townies, few power roles, no OP mafia roles and plenty of room for error makes me think a Day1 lynch is in order.


    I agree that lynching on Day 1 is more fun than not doing so. Could you explain how the mafia NOT being OP makes this a better option, however?

    August 21, 2014
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    hezekiah

    I'm fine for giving it a shot

    August 21, 2014
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    Lightvayne

    Kind of wish more games would start on Night 1. At least we'd have something to base a lynch on.

    Not voting yet but I fully expect a no-kill.

    But I guess I could just give a reminder that vote locking is on. Meaning Lightvayne isn't going to be able to change his vote.

    August 21, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    legalize PCP

    August 22, 2014
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    Hindenburg
    Life's path is never straight.

    Thanks for that Lightvanye.....

    August 22, 2014
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    EvilGuy0613

    Kind of wish more games would start on Night 1


    I originally planned the game to start at Night 1, but I changed my mind.

    August 22, 2014
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    Castrael

    Could you explain how the mafia NOT being OP makes this a better option, however?

    OP mafia means you need to be careful with your actions. Throwing away teammates hurts a lot more when you're already at a disadvantage.

    August 22, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Vote locking is fun. Now people have to do shit on Day1!!!!

    August 22, 2014
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    The Bandit

    But I guess I could just give a reminder that vote locking is on. Meaning Lightvayne isn't going to be able to change his vote.




    Vote locking is fun. Now people have to do shit on Day1!!!!




    August 22, 2014
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    Apollo Justice

    Explain your hastiness for adding to the wagon, The Bandit.

    August 22, 2014
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    SDYoshi

    makes me think a Day1 lynch is in order.

    August 22, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Sorry that I'm late. I forgot that mafia was even a thing for a while. Anyway, the vote locking concerns me.

    It's too soon to tell really. And I agree that Day one is always boring. I'd like to dogpile on Evilguy too just to help get it overwith, but I'm afraid of the direction this may take if it turns out they aren't mafia.

    So, for no I'm going to hold off unless I see a big reason to vote for someone.

    August 22, 2014
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    Chaos Incarnate

    Alright well if we're really playing that way...

    For what it's worth I find it strange that he was so quick to lynch someone even if it was random.

    August 22, 2014
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    EvilGuy0613

    Bandit's certainly acting funky this game. Given what he's been doing this day round, I question the truthfulness of his townie claim back in Night 0...

    August 22, 2014
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    hezekiah

    I'm suspicious of SDYoshi.

    August 22, 2014
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    Yeah I wouldn't be in a hurry to start dropping votes so quickly. Perhaps Lightvayne didn't notice (or forgot) that vote locking is on, so I wouldn't use that as any kind of solid evidence. To be frank, I'd be more interested in looking at those who are quick to condemn him. I'm not planning on voting for anyone, though, unless something glaringly suspicious happens before the round ends.

    August 22, 2014
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    Jo Nathan

    Yeah, I guess hez beat me to it. lol (I'm so slow with my replies... (sad))

    August 22, 2014
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    Jo Nathan

    Whatever the case, we still need to be careful, what with Vote Locking on and so many Townies in play. It's best not to vote for any option (even Not Voting/No Kill/Random) until you're damned sure where you want to go with your vote.

    Also, when was the last time we played with a Double-Voter?

    August 22, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    The last one I remember is when his double vote wasn't taken into consideration and his death ended up causing the rest of the game to be canceled.

    August 22, 2014
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    Jo Nathan

    Yeah, I kinda forgot about the lock thing. Regardless...

    Lots of Townies, few power roles, no OP mafia roles and plenty of room for error makes me think a Day1 lynch is in order.


    ..kinda have to agree with this. Its better to take a chance now when we can afford it as opposed to doing it later when we are in trouble can't afford to lose a townie.

    August 22, 2014
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    Lightvayne

    Just because we can afford to doesn't mean we should be so quick to just lynch anyone. I understand the reasoning but I certainly don't want to be killed for a dumb reason such as having room for error....

    August 22, 2014
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    EvilGuy0613



    For those who are wondering where my inspiration of the Butler came from. I haven't watched the entire show yet. I took a break from Netflix. (hehe)

    August 22, 2014
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    Castrael

    A few things to keep in mind before we come out of the starting gate with the hangman's noose at the ready.

    We have a Cop that can not be protected so he/she needs to wait until they make a report that will give us at least 2 guilty reports.

    We have a Gunsmith who can give a gun to someone every night, but they won't know who they are giving it to. Townie or Mafia.

    And then there's the Serial Killer (best role in the game, I'd slipped Cas a few bucks to get that role) Immune to night detection, on nobody's side but his own. Just kill people and make it to the end.

    May want to give these votes a little thought boy's and girl's.

    August 22, 2014
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    chiefsonny
     

    Sure, a Day 1 lynch is good.
    But it matters WHO we lynch. Joining a wagon made by a random vote....it just doesn't seem good.

    August 22, 2014
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    SDYoshi

    Is there a gun already out? Whoever has it should shoot it today.

    August 22, 2014
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    SDYoshi

    We have a Cop that can not be protected so he/she needs to wait until they make a report that will give us at least 2 guilty reports.


    With a Framer and Godfather still around though, the Cop's investigations wont exactly be accurate. While random isn't necessarily the way to go, its a start. :/

    Interesting how people don't seem to have a problem with random voting, but suddenly Evilguy is voted for and some people are quick to defend and say its not the right way...

    ....veeeery interesting indeed.....(crs)

    August 22, 2014
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    Lightvayne

    Is there a gun already out? Whoever has it should shoot it today.

    What? You want to be super careful about who we lynch, but you're OK with some rando going willy nilly with his gun?

    August 22, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Plus it's entirely impossible for us to accurately rely on our cop.

    With a Framer and Godfather still around though, the Cop's investigations wont exactly be accurate.

    I don't agree with either of these statements. It's entirely possible that the cop and framer will never come into contact. The cop has a pool of 19 other people to pick from. Only one of them can be framed on a given night. Meanwhile, there are 4 other guilty parties for the cop to hit.

    The framer only really becomes an issue later in the game, because the cop's investigation pool will be much smaller and thus the chance of hitting a framed target will be much higher.

    We should let the cop do their job and reveal their findings to us before discounting any potential results they may have.

    August 22, 2014
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    Count Dooku

    This vote locking thing is pretty dangerous.

    I don't see the mafia playing reckless by leading a evidence-less charge during the first day. So let's follow the evilguy train.

    August 22, 2014
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    Bubba

    This vote locking thing is pretty dangerous.

    I don't see the mafia playing reckless by leading a evidence-less charge during the first day. So let's follow the evilguy train.


    Why not? For one, Lightvayne's vote was entirely random. The Bandit resigned himself to "well, EvilGuy already has a vote, might as well put mine on there too..." Then you put a vote on EvilGuy yourself saying that the mafia wouldn't recklessly lead an evidence-less charge against someone.

    I think a random lynch is a bad play right now because at the start of the game a random lynch could easily lead to a townie death (7/10 chance.) We have a cop but no roles to protect them. That means we have a high chance of killing a townsided player, and if we do lynch a town-sided player, we're giving the mafia AND the serial killer a chance to kill the cop. That's three deaths in one round compared to what could otherwise be two or less.

    I feel like no-kill is the smartest move. I would vote for Lightvayne or The Bandit since they both have 1 vote (and thus, could tie EvilGuy's easier than no-kill gaining popularity) but with vote locking I'm not going to take the chance of trying to get a tie to work.

    August 22, 2014
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    MajorasMask9

    If you haven’t made your action and 24/72 hours are up, the game will continue as it should.


    I don't understand this one. Could you please explain it to me. Why is it included?

    Vote locking will at least stop the fun shenanigans that happened last game. Normally I would vote for someone to see their reaction, but this time that isn't going to work. I'm holding off on my vote for now. Majora is right. We could easily lose 3 Town sided players in 1 Round, losing our number advantage quickly.

    August 22, 2014
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    Lady Flare

    I don't understand this one. Could you please explain it to me. Why is it included?


    People are usually inactive during the game, so I wanted to give them a heads up. With that said, if you haven't made your actions, then the game will still continue.

    August 22, 2014
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    Castrael

    No Kill does seem like the best option in my mind, especially with Vote Locking on; as I've said, we'd need to be damned sure who to vote for before we all jump on a bandwagon, since once we vote, we can't change our votes.

    Thank God there's no Executioner this game or we'd be screwed royally...

    August 22, 2014
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    Black Yoshi

    Eh.. I'm not voting I think. That counts as an action right? I would hope so. I can't really decide, and it looks like nothing is going to happen to make me decide.

    August 22, 2014
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    Chaos Incarnate

    I, too, am suspicious of Chiefsonny.

    August 22, 2014
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    Hindenburg
    Life's path is never straight.

    Anything that lowers the town's count by one is good for the mafia.
    For now I agree with no-kill. Tomorrow, though, we'll have to pay more attention to the situation.

    Maybe we'll get lucky and the SK will kill a mafia.

    August 23, 2014
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    SDYoshi

    vote locking seems like an interesting twist that I've never seen in action. Unless I'm overlooking something, though, this:

    Chaos Incarnate Voted for Not Voting

    ...seems like a bad idea. Not casting a vote gives you flexibility in case of a roleclaim or verdict or something. But committing to a non-vote means you can't help swing a vote if needed.

    as far as a Day 1 lynch goes, though...I'm not sure. 14-5 is a nice lead for gathering information, but it also means we're likely to kill an innocent - and with the mafia and Serial Killer both around, that lead won't necessarily go as far as it usually would. Between multiple nightkills and the Cop's work, I don't know if we need to be too hasty in trying to pick up leads.

    August 23, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Not a whole lot to go off of, except for maybe EvilGuy's counter vote for Lightvayne, but that's not an indicator by any means.

    August 23, 2014
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    `Roxas`

    Like I said earlier, I think a lynch today is a good decision to make. However, the way Bandit has acted thus far seems dangerous and I'd much prefer to see it be him than EvilGuy. First he basically claimed Townie by selling frustration. Then he pushes hard for a lynch today, but doesn't vote for anybody until someone else does so (making sure the randomly-chosen victim isn't a mafia buddy?).

    Bubba jumping on the EvilGuy train is a bit more in-character than what Bandit did, but it's still fairly shaky logic. I'd support a lynch of either Bubba or Bandit given what we've seen thus far in the game.

    August 23, 2014
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    hezekiah

    Yeah, or we could just kill white lancer.

    August 23, 2014
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    Hindenburg
    Life's path is never straight.

    Do you ever help?

    August 24, 2014
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    hezekiah

    As P_N said above if we vote to lynch and we lynch one of our own, we could possibly lose 3 townies by the start of the next Day Round.

    1. We lynch one of our own.
    2. Mafia night kill.
    3. And the Serial Killer kills a townie.

    With all we have to go on are guesses then a No Kill seems the best way to go for now and hope the Serial Killer kills a Mafia. After all he/she is as much in the dark as we are about who is who.

    August 24, 2014
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    chiefsonny
     

    BANG! Apollo Justice gets shot by a gun. She falls to the ground lifeless and everyone freezes in their tracks. Speed Bike Pro approaches Apollo's lifeless body and takes out her ID. It reads: Apollo Justice, the Gunsmith. Who shot the gun?

    The Players
  • MajorasMask9
  • Black Yoshi
  • white lancer
  • EvilGuy0613
  • Speed Bike Pro
  • Bubba
  • Lightvayne
  • Roxas
  • Jo Nathan
  • Chaos Incarnate
  • SDYoshi
  • Lady Flare
  • The Bandit
  • Pirate Ninja
  • Apollo Justice - Gunsmith
  • Count Dooku
  • Hindenburg
  • chiefsonny
  • hezekiah

    • August 24, 2014
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    Castrael

    Ratio
    5, 13, 1

    Still Alive
  • Townies x10, Cop, Lawyer, Double Voter
  • Mafiaso x2, Mafia Investigator, Framer, Godfather
  • Serial Killer

    • August 24, 2014
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    Castrael

    Well that sucks.

    August 24, 2014
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    hezekiah

    First he basically claimed Townie by selling frustration.

    Go read past games. I do this about 75% of the time I'm Townie.

    Then he pushes hard for a lynch today, but doesn't vote for anybody until someone else does so (making sure the randomly-chosen victim isn't a mafia buddy?)

    Yeah, let me insure that we don't kill off one of my mafia friends by letting a random person decide who I want to lynch... Great plan? That makes no sense at all dude.

    August 24, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Pretty shitty that Apollo was the Gunsmith, as that really feels like a mafia kill.

    August 24, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Yikes. Gave the gun to the wrong person..... lol...................

    August 24, 2014
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    Pretty shitty that Apollo was the Gunsmith, as that really feels like a mafia kill.


    And it could have been a Mafia kill. Apollo would not have known the role of the person that she gave the gun to. But that person would know that she was not Mafia.

    It makes sense that's what happened.

    Now it's even more crucial that we don't lynch anyone this round, because if we pick wrong and the Serial Killer picks wrong we could still lose 3 more people before the round's over.

    August 24, 2014
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    chiefsonny
     

    With our Gunsmith dead, I don't think we should chance killing another Town sided role this Round.

    August 24, 2014
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    Lady Flare

    23 more hours left, unless I'm counting wrong. The round should end tonight. Or, are you guys okay with a early update? The round will end in the AM's. This is take a way some Night hours if I let it to the AM's. Also, Host Kills will start happening. I just need to look it over first. If you guys let me know what you want, I'll update the round after work. (3pm CST)

    August 24, 2014
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    Castrael

    is
    to will.

    more = cross that out. I just woke up.

    August 24, 2014
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    Castrael

    I'm fine with an early update. I don't think we are going anywhere else from here.

    Gunsmith killed by her own gun. What were the chances if that...{:(}

    August 24, 2014
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    Lightvayne

    This Round started around 10AM on Thursday the 8/21 so 72 hours should have been 10AM today.

    Thursday 10AM to Friday 10AM = 24 hours

    Friday 10AM to Saturday 10AM = 48 hours

    Saturday 10AM to Sunday 10AM = 72 hours

    Unless I'm counting wrong.

    August 24, 2014
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    chiefsonny
     

    Sounds about right, chief. I'll be at work so I won't be able to update at 10a.

    August 24, 2014
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    Castrael

    NP.

    When you posted 23 hours left I knew that didn't sound right. Don't work to hard.

    August 24, 2014
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    chiefsonny
     

    Yeah, I might have counted wrong. Go ahead and lock it at 10a then. I'll try not to. It is a Sunday though.

    August 24, 2014
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    Castrael

    Locking the thread per Castrael's request...

    August 24, 2014
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    hezekiah

    I'love edit more when I'm not on mobile.

    August 24, 2014
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    Castrael

    Night has fallen once more. Guests are frightened by the random shot that was just made. The Butler has removed Apollo's body. There is a cemetery not too far from here. The Town, however, has decided on a no kill. Some of the guests are hanging around Apollo's grave, mourning her grave while others are in their bedroom's frightened. Some are playing pool in the or video games in the Game Room.

    The Players
  • MajorasMask9
  • Black Yoshi
  • white lancer
  • EvilGuy0613
  • Speed Bike Pro
  • Bubba
  • Lightvayne
  • Roxas
  • Jo Nathan
  • Chaos Incarnate
  • SDYoshi
  • Lady Flare
  • The Bandit
  • Pirate Ninja
  • Apollo Justice - Gunsmith
  • Count Dooku
  • Hindenburg
  • chiefsonny
  • hezekiah

    Ratio
    5, 13, 1

    Still Alive
  • Townies x10, Cop, Lawyer, Double Voter
  • Mafiaso x2, Mafia Investigator, Framer, Godfather
  • Serial Killer

    Night Priorities
  • Mafia Kill
  • Mafia Investigator
  • Framer
  • Cop
  • Lawyer
  • Serial Killer

    You have 24 hours or until all night actions are in.

    Notes
    Notes
  • OOG is not allowed.
  • Night talk will be on. (Since Night Talk is on, DO NOT make any votes at night. If you do, you will be penalized.)
  • Vote Locking will be on. (Vote locking is when a person is not allowed to change their vote once it is cast for that round.)
  • If you haven’t made your action and 24/72 hours are up, the game will continue as it should.
  • Framer is taken from Epic Mafia.

    • August 24, 2014
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    Castrael

    Might as well start some discussion ahead of time since we have something to work with here.

    Pretty certain that whoever Apollo gave her gun to is mafia and they went ahead and used that to eliminate someone who is widely regarded as one of the best players in the game so that their little gang of hoodlums will have an easier time winning. It could have been the Serial Killer or a really bloodhorny villager but I'm banking on mafs.

    So the question is: who did Apollo suspect was innocent enough to give a gun to?

    Once the day round starts, I'll likely cast my vote and then say I'm busy with irl work LOL

    August 24, 2014
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    then say I'm busy with irl work LOL


    HOST KILLED

    (hehe)

    August 24, 2014
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    Castrael

    Round will update @ 5:00p today.

    August 25, 2014
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    Castrael

    Yeah, I agree with Speed that the Apollo kill was almost certainly a Mafia move. I guess I could also see someone like Hindenburg doing that, but I can't really see Apollo handing him a gun for that very reason. Unfortunately, it's not going to be easy to get much useful information off of that, as it's going to be nearly impossible to figure out who Apollo gave the gun to unless she left some kind of hint. It could be that she gave her gun to a friend of hers like Speed or Bubba, but that's not really an assumption I want to make.

    I also don't think randomly voting ever really helps the Town, unless we need to kill somebody and have absolutely nothing to go on. Much greater chance we hit a Townie than a Mafia member.

    August 25, 2014
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    white lancer

    I guess I could also see someone like Hindenburg doing that


    As much shit as everyone gives Hindenburg, he doesn't do things without reason in Mafia when it comes to placing actions. That is one reason why I'm not putting any stock in the gun kill coming from a villager being le epic random troll lel xDDD

    August 25, 2014
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    I can't remember the specifics, but he literally threw the game away for the Town a while back.

    August 25, 2014
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    The Bandit

    Yep, when he was the Vigilante and offed himself rather than take a shot at someone else. I don't think he's as useless as everyone else does (he's legitimately participated in a number of games), but I definitely could see him pulling something like that. I also think that's unlikely to have happened here, because as I said, I think Apollo would have taken that possibility into account.

    August 25, 2014
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    white lancer

    I think what happened is that Apollo gave a gun to hezekiah, who then killed her. Fuck you, you heartless bastard.

    August 25, 2014
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    Hindenburg
    Life's path is never straight.

    @Hindenburg: You'll be penalized for voting at night when you know you shouldn't.

    August 25, 2014
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    Castrael

    @Hindenburg: Don't vote again at night and don't insult again, or you'll lose points. I won't allow it in my game.

    @Players: Game will update now. Just give me a sec. I'll be locking this thread.

    August 25, 2014
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    Castrael

    This thread is locked