Fuck this.

Well, now we SHOULD decide on someone to lynch, With the cop gone. We're probably not going to have much to go on anyway, so I assume there is little reason to no kill or not vote now. It's not like the Cop was going to be of much use with the framer anyway. All in all, I don't think we've actually lost much aside from the Gunsmith.

Plus the Mafia have an investigator. the Lawyer or double voter may be next.

My gut currently tells me that Count Dooku and Chiefsonny may be mafia.

I hate to go this direction again, especially since I still don't know all that much about him. But the way Speed talked about Apollo's death kind of rubbed me the wrong way. As if he was just saying that to cover for himself in the future. I don't really know though.

But if we want to carry on from last round, we should go with either Bandit or Evilguy.

If Evilguy and Bandit turn out to be innocent though, we should surely look at Bubba, who voted for Evilguy afterwards.

Also, Jo Nathan was Mafia.

"Yeah I wouldn't be in a hurry to start dropping votes so quickly. Perhaps Lightvayne didn't notice (or forgot) that vote locking is on, so I wouldn't use that as any kind of solid evidence. To be frank, I'd be more interested in looking at those who are quick to condemn him. I'm not planning on voting for anyone, though, unless something glaringly suspicious happens before the round ends."

Perhaps this would imply that other Mafia wanted to remain passive. Of course, it's unlikely that all of the mafia would do the same thing, but I still think we should also look at the people who voted no kill. Jo Nathan also seemed like he was trying to defend EvilGuy indirectly.

Either way, I personally think we should vote for EvilGuy and see where it goes. Though I'm not going to cast my vote just yet. I think I want to wait a bit and see what everyone else does.

The ones who voted for me Day 1 (Yes even Lightvanye though it was random) were mainly just looking for a target to lynch since we could afford error...at least that's what it seemed like. Yet you're convincing the town to vote for me anyway despite that you have a feeling two other people may be mafia?

I don't quite understand that.

The ones who voted for me Day 1 (Yes even Lightvanye though it was random) were mainly just looking for a target to lynch since we could afford error...at least that's what it seemed like

I still think that it's quite possible that a mafia member would have jumped on the bandwagon assuming that you ARE a townie. Just to keep the pressure on you, so that they could get a free kill in.

Yet you're convincing the town to vote for me anyway despite that you have a feeling two other people may be mafia?

Do you honestly believe many people would vote for either Chiefsonny, Speed Bike Pro or Count Dooku simply because my gut is suspicious of them? There may be more reason for Speed Bike Pro. And Chiefsonny DID vote no kill, but I think you are still the better bet right now.

If it turns out you are Mafia, it's quite possible that some Mafia members voted no kill to keep the heat off of you.

There are actually reasons to vote for you, reasons I have stated before.

Plus, if we get you out of the way, we'll have a better idea of who we should be looking at.

I'm not always the best with explaining things, but I hope that I have made myself clear enough. Especially since most people seemed hesitant to speak up.

I think it's more likely that the Mafia would just ignore EvilGuy (or even defend him) rather than try to bandwagon him. Most players do not like Day1 lynches, so piling votes on him would raise suspicion. Honestly, I don't think there's much to be gained from killing him at this point. Basic odds tells us he's more likely to be innocent, and more than likely Lightvayne and Bubba are innocent too if you accept my logic.

Jo Nathan's only interesting post from the last thread....



Always tough to analyze a confirmed mafia's posts early in the game. Though I'd rather go off that than a 'gut feeling'.

You need to take better of your gut because you're wrong about me be Mafia.

My gut tells me Roxas is Mafia.

@Castrael

Why aren't the votes from the past Round showing up in the Tallies by Round?

The ratio is off as well.

Still Alive

12, 4, 1

Voting Ratio

13, 4, 1

My gut tells me I shouldn't have eaten that seafood (duck)

I'm going to contribute where I can, but college started up for me again last Thursday. 15 credit hours + 40 hours full time employment = less Gtx0 time.

My primary interest right now is a few specific individuals who wanted to count the cop out before he was down.

...sorry I haven't said much in this game, even for my usually quiet self, I've had a ton of shit going on IRL and my mind has been in a million different places.

Anyway, thinking about what happened yesterday-round, with that sudden spike in votes for EvilGuy, one must wonder if mayhap some of the Mafia were among those who voted for him. I'll have to reread the Day 1 thread when I actually have more time, but it's something to consider.

My gut is telling me I'm hungry.

And for what reason is it that you feel as though I'm mafia?

There are 12 town members right now.
10 townies, the doublevoter, and the lawyer.

That said, without a cop or gunsmith, this is truly mafia.
...except I can't safely vote.

Man, Jo Nathan didn't do enough for me to go off of.

Hezekiah did solidly push on The Bandit.
There might be a guilty in there, but I'm not too sure.

@The Bandit: Were you framed Night 0?

rapie rapie

I guess it just goes to show, you backtalk me and you get backhanded like a bitch. Rest in peepee, hezekiah.

Jeez Castrael why did you have to say that ;-;

I have been busy with school starting but I just wanted to say that I am alive and will definitely have more time this afternoon since my schedule isn't too bad today :)

Well, it sucks we lost our cop :<

I haven't read the entire thread yet, and will post my thoughts when I get a chance.

Alright, I think I've seen enough.

The town's scared to vote because their vote may raise suspicion towards them, also they can only vote once. But nothing is changing. So, we may as well throw a vote out. I'm fairly sure that only a Mafia would try to convince us that we shouldn't be killing someone at this point. There is nothing to wait for, and we have the Serial killer AND the Mafia up our throats.

And I don't want to have this turn into a last minute thing. Because I probably will miss it.

So, I guess I'm gonna have to be the bold one and cast a vote. If he dies, I think that we'll at least have a better idea of who to vote for after his role is shown.

I'll admit though, hezekiah May have been trying to imply that Bandit is guilty. But I think that's somewhat unlikely. Plus, if I understand it correctly, the framer could have gotten Bandit before hezekiah checked him.

Maybe we should be looking at him.

I find it odd how bandit suddenly turned around and defended Evilguy. Perhaps he is Mafia and he is trying to defend himself should Evilguy get lynched.

But I think it's more likely that Bandit is a townie and just saw that he could of been wrong.

My other post in this thread wasn't very clear, so I'll try to explain a little better.

The reason I "turned around" on EvilGuy is because I never actually thought he was guilty. I had zero reason to think he was guilty, and I still don't have any reason to believe he's guilty (I'll expand on this later). I wanted him dead because voting for him gives information (and if it does actually go through we have about a 1/3 chance of hitting a good target, which really isn't bad odds). Even if he isn't killed, I get to see how everyone reacts to the suggestion that we kill someone. That's why I always push for a Day1 lynch.

However, voting for him on Day2 does not give me as much information as voting for him on Day1. If we kill him and he winds up innocent, we learn a lot less than if we just randomly killed someone else, because of how everyone already reacted to the suggestion that we kill him on Day1. I think it's a pretty natural reaction for the mafia to try and steer clear of any Day1 lynch, EXCEPT to defend whoever's on the chopping block. Since most players usually don't like to lynch on Day1, suddenly turning around and bandwagoning someone would be a huge red flag. However, a mafia defending someone he knows is innocent could possibly give him brownie points later on when he's the one on the chopping block. So, the lack of any major response to the suggestion that we lynch EvilGuy, and a confirmed mafia defending him, leads me to think that he's more likely to be innocent than guilty.

But, yes, obviously the opposite could be true: Jo Nathan could be defending a teammate and the mafia could not be voting because EvilGuy is guilty. But, it just seems so unnecessary to risk defending a fellow mafia member on Day1, when historically we have almost never lynched on Day1. If EvilGuy is mafia, then I really, really doubt any of the mafia would seriously be concerned over him getting lynched, and if they were it would make a lot more sense for them to simply stack No Kill votes on rather than openly defend their teammate. This is something Jo Nathan DID NOT do, which makes very little sense if EvilGuy were mafia.

I'm here but I don't really have any strong opinions right now I think :(. But I do agree that we have to vote for someone. No cop means there's literally no point in not killing, especially with two killing roles alive.

I don't really see the point in voting for EvilGuy though. His responses to getting voted for seem very town-like to me. Not the best evidence but I'm a little tired and it's hard to think of good evidence like this.......

My fear is that with vote locking on all it will really take for the mafia to influence the Day round vote is to put in a vote. Because it's set in stone. It's like... "Well, that vote is there and it's not changing. Might was well go along with it right guys?" And I'm concerned that that's what was happening last round. While Lightvayne's vote was random, both The Bandit and Bubba just "went along with it." It's incredibly hard to differentiate an honest townie wanting a good lynch and the mafia intentionally leading a bad lynch, but idk, the entire situation from last round just made me a little suspicious of Bubba in particular.

So I think I'm going to do something completely out of character and throw out a random vote. If only because I want to distance myself from the EvilGuy/Bandit situation at the moment.

NOTHING PERSONAL I'M SORRY

Chaos, your dedication to get me lynched is concerning. By now you’ve thrown suspicion at others yet you want me lynched just so we can find out information? Me dying probably isn’t much of a loss but it still adds to the numbers. I will say something though and that’s I have no clue what’s up with the defenses but you shouldn’t base people coming to my defense as them liking defending a Mafia member. (At least that isn’t much of a reason to convince the town to lynch me.)

Anyways, this day round will be coming to an end soon enough and just in case I manage to die tonight I will say a few things. Perhaps hezekiah was hinting that The Bandit is guilty but it seems more like he just found him suspicious based on his actions. Maybe it shouldn’t be totally dismissed though….My main concern is with Bubba bandwagon to get me lynched Day 1. He also talked on how vote locking is dangerous….yet….he proceeded to vote anyways as if it didn’t matter. (He’s been quiet about it so far as well.)

NOTHING PERSONAL I'M SORRY
Eh, it's still better to be on the winning team I think. If I die it may help town just a little. But probably not.


but you shouldn’t base people coming to my defense as them liking defending a Mafia member. (At least that isn’t much of a reason to convince the town to lynch me.)

We have no cop, and there is nothing much to go on. This is, probably the best thing we have to go on at this point. Which means that it is a good idea to lynch you first, and see where it goes. As I've stated before, if you are Mafia, there was probably at least one mafia that voted no kill last round.

If you are a Townie, one may well have jumped on the vote for you for a free kill.

My fear is that with vote locking on all it will really take for the mafia to influence the Day round vote is to put in a vote.

Then you vote random. What.

I guess with vote locking on voting random would be somewhat risky as mafia if what you said is true, so nevermind.

Chaos is doing the same kinds of things he did last game, where he throws out accusations at multiple people to try and stir the pot:

My gut currently tells me that Count Dooku and Chiefsonny may be mafia.

But the way Speed talked about Apollo's death kind of rubbed me the wrong way.

But if we want to carry on from last round, we should go with either Bandit or Evilguy.

If Evilguy and Bandit turn out to be innocent though, we should surely look at Bubba

I said last game that this kind of behavior from him really looks like mafia. I backed off after he started panicking from my accusation, because I didn't think a mafia would be so openly fidgety at such a simple observation, but it turned out my initial thought was right and he was mafia. I think I'm going to try to atone for that mistake and vote with Majora this game, but I'll wait to hear any other last minute ideas before casting a vote.

Round ends in 11 hours. If no one says anything persuasive in the 7-8 hours I'll go ahead and vote Chaos. I don't want to wait until the actual last minute because mafia shenanigans are possible.

I'd rather vote for the player who was defended by a mafia member than voting randomly.

Jo Nathan could be defending a teammate and the mafia could not be voting because EvilGuy is guilty. But, it just seems so unnecessary to risk defending a fellow mafia member on Day1, when historically we have almost never lynched on Day1.

There is a risk, but it's still day one. Jo Nathan wasn't expecting to go out so early in the round and have his defence of Lightvayne analyzed.

Well, Jo Nathan wasn't defending Lightvayne, but Evil Guy, so yeah.

He was defending both Lightvyane and evilguy.

lightvayne with,

Perhaps Lightvayne didn't notice (or forgot) that vote locking is on, so I wouldn't use that as any kind of solid evidence

and then...

To be frank, I'd be more interested in looking at those who are quick to condemn him.

'him' being evilguy, of course.

Both better options than Chaos.

Why are they better options than Chaos?

Who to vote for... I have to go to work and won't be home until after the Round ends. But I do want to cast a vote. I need to think a little more.

I would sure as hell like to know this too. o_O

My vote for Evilguy was completely random, however my vote for him stirred up a lot of controversy and even got a mafia member out of the way somehow. I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to go with my gut here.

I agree with Bubba's reading of that reply, in that I think it kinda spoke for the both of them - EvilGuy, in the sense that he had two votes when Jo posted "we shouldn't rush to vote," and Lightvayne, when he said



Lightvayne's vote itself was totally random, so it wouldn't make much sense to call that evidence - I think Jo was saying not to use Lightvayne's early random vote as evidence of Lightvayne's guilt (that is, saying that it's a mafia move to make an unchangeable random vote, since the odds favor an innocent name being drawn).

as for whether I think that'd affect things much...I think The Bandit's explanation for his 'change of heart' on EvilGuy makes sense. Bandit tends to be one of the biggest proponents of the Day 1 lynch, and when it didn't go through I didn't see much of a compelling reason to keep after a guy who was chosen by the GT randomizer in the first place. One or the other might be mafia, but I definitely don't see them both being guilty (as in, a scenario of Bandit getting on board early so if EG is revealed mafia it'll make him look innocent). Bandit himself isn't striking me as especially mafia-esque, but I'm given pause by the way hezekiah treated him. He was on Bandit's case from his very first Day 1 reply, and escalated pretty quickly to actually voting for him for "acting funky" when the round was still young - then stood by in support of his choice when the round went on and he wasn't gaining traction. I don't know if I trust that sense enough to put a vote behind it, though, especially given the closeness of the tally right now and the potential for a tie. There's no more hope for Cop assistance; if the mafia and Serial Killer are the only ones to determine who dies, there's no guarantee we learn anything useful and we may enter Day 3 pondering the same questions we have now. So I do think it's important that we decide on someone today.

Well I said pretty much all I can say to defend myself at this point. Still not sure why I'm being voted for but whatever.....not sure if I'll be able to post in time before the day ends but just in case I'm just going to go ahead and cast my vote.

Screw playing it safe.

IDK but it's vote now or not at all.

Well, OK. I don't think a fourth target is going to come up, and I'd rather go ahead and thin the field so the mafia doesn't get to decide who is killed at the last minute.

EvilGuy- pretty much only a target because of a random lynch on Day1, and he was defended by a confirmed mafia on Day1 which doesn't make a lot of sense for a mafia to do for a teammate, especially considering that Jo Nathan didn't feel the need to even cast a No Kill vote. If he was worried enough that his teammate might get lynched to take the risk to defend him (and that IS a big risk IMO, despite what Bubba claims), he would have definitely cast a vote for No Kill. The fact that he didn't really seems to me that he secretly wanted EvilGuy to get lynched.

Lightvayne- cast a random vote on Day1 with vote lock on, which is a little too weird and out there for a mafia to likely do IMO. It's just more than likely going to make people focus in on you. Not an airtight defense, but it's something.

Chaos- acting pretty much identically to last game when he was mafia. That's only one game though, and I have even less of a sample size of him as a townie, so it's obviously not super convincing, but by a process of elimination I think I have to go with it.

I would sure as hell like to know this too. o_O

Did you not read through this thread much? The reasons were already explained.

Anyway, to the town. You are making a mistake here. True, I had the same strategy as last game, but I am using it for different reasons this time, as you will see if I am lynched.

Anyway. My intention was to generate something for us to go off of. But I now see that my plan has backfired more or less.

It looks like this game may be yet another Mafia win. but it may not be. I'd advise the town to get off of their asses and start REALLY paying attention if I am lynched. Because if I am to die, I do not want it to be for nothing.

Also, to the serial killer. Keep in mind that you have to be the last one standing. If all that is left is Mafia, they can easily snuff yo out. So, go for the Mafia. It's in everyone's best interest.

This will probably be my last post of this round, if I even survive to make it to another round anyway.

I'm not jumping on this Chaos bandwagon because I don't think he's Mafia.

I'm more concern about some others that are posting just enough to stay active and off the radar.

as you will see if I am lynched.

You're basically claiming a power role. If you are one, you should claim it so we don't kill you and can make an effective lynch. While you would die during the Night, it would at least give us the chance to make a proper lynch during the Day. You aren't at the point yet where the Town can't turn around and vote for EvilGuy (though you're getting close).

Even if you're the Lawyer and you picked yourself, you should still claim it. If you make it through the Day, the mafia aren't going to say "well maybe he got lucky!" They're going to fucking murder you because the Lawyer is pretty likely to pick himself.

It seems to me like it's just a way to look like you're claiming without actually having to burden yourself with a real roll claim, which just screams mafia to me.

roll

sonofabitch

if there are 2+ other people around without votes cast I can help swing it if needed - I'm in the middle of making dinner but I can check in whenever I have a spare moment

well I managed to get back in time.

Anyway. @Bandit I'm not a power role. It's mistake simply because I know that it's a waste of a vote.

By my count there are 7 players that have not voted this round and the round ends at around 6PM today

sounds about right, but they don't seem to be online

Not sure if you're suggesting to swing the votes my way but if that's what's being suggested then killing me isn't going to solve much either unless you think Chaos is right and that killing me is going to give you the information you need.

I'm not going to beat a dead horse though so do as you will I guess.

I'm getting the impression Chaos Incarnate is actually a townie and not a power role/mafia but I'm not sure if there's anything that can be done to change things at this point even if that is the case.

I just also wanted to remind Castrael that you don't need to delete the votes each round :). That only needs to be done at the start of the game, you're good as long as you update the round number :D.

It's not like there's been much discussion point blank aside from Lightvayne and EvilGuy. You seem to be going after me harder than you go after people this early in the game normally. Best theory I've got is that you are the prosecutor and I am merely your target for lynch, chief.

That being said, your longevity in the game won't particularly affect the game. Along with that, a vote against you would be a wasted vote.

I hate to be the one to say I told you so.

But I told you so.



Well thanks I love you to.



If I was going after you hard I would have voted for you on Day One.

ffffff, this large number we originally had against the mafia is starting to drop like dead flies >_<

Ugh, sorry for the inactivity, guys. I had LASIK surgery earlier this week and I've been getting ready to head out of town this weekend...hopefully when I get back I'll be able to contribute a bit more.

snoozeville

Night round should have ended at 9:30PM.