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game 3 cult thread

Posted April 6, 2012 by Yeano

Good evening.

You are now part of the CULT.

Every night, the cult votes on brainwashing someone and forcing them to join the cult.

If there is a tie in the votes on who to brainwash, the team with the most senior member of those tied teams will win the tie-breaker.

If the Cult targets a Mason, all those who votes to brainwash the Mason will die.

If the Masons target a cultist, the cultist will die.

The Cult wins if they outnumber both the Town AND the Mafia!

Cult Members in order of seniority:
Xhin
`Roxas`
Shadowwalked
poptart!
chiefsonny

There are 66 Replies


Assuming I don't die during the night (possible, but I have a strategy to ward that off), there's a loophole here:

Cult - The Cult is a group of players that can communicate with each other in the Cult thread. Each night they can recruit one player into the Cult. If they target a Mason, all Cultist who voted for the Mason will die. If a Mason targets a Cultist, that Cultist will die. The Cult wins if it outnumbers all other teams combined.

In order to minimize casualties, only one Cult member should vote. 1 vote is all that's needed to be a majority if everyone else doesn't vote, however other people can still say who they would prefer the single voter to vote for.

Only that voter will die if they target the wrong person.

April 6, 2012
Xhin
Sky's the limit

You may not cast your vote on whom to brainwash.

Edit: NOW, not "not"!

OOPS!

April 8, 2012
Yeano

Hmm, I'm thinking either `Roxas` or LLight. Both are generally good assets to have on your team, and both are anti-cultists so won't seem as suspicious to everyone.

LLight might die tonight by the mafia's hand though so I'm going to go with `Roxas`.

April 8, 2012
Xhin
Sky's the limit

In case I die tonight (really unlikely, but you never know, especially since everyone always wants to kill me for some reason >_<), here's an outline of my strategy:

  • Make sure only one cultist votes at a time. We can discuss things and come to a consensus, but it's important only one of us votes, in case we target a Mason (which will become more likely as the game progresses).

  • Strategy-wise, we need to have diverse strategies in dealing with the town. The reason white lancer did so well last game was that his strategy was completely different from every other mafioso.

  • One thing we definitely want to avoid is anything that makes us look suspicious to either the townies OR the mafia, although the latter will be less important as our numbers grow.

    Probably the best strategy is for all of us to have different strategies with dealing with the townies, as I've said.

  • In later rounds, we need to make sure whoever we recruit is relatively inactive (but not enough to get lynched) so that they don't get recruited by the Masons. I have a feeling that players that were once relatively inactive need to stay that way and only vote along whatever the consensus is.

    If LLight looks like he's unlikely to die by the mafia's hand or be recruited by the masons, I still think we should recruit him, although if I'm dead (again, unlikely) you guys might have a better strategy.

    It's in our best interests to leave the mafia alive because we might be able to use them to kill Masons if we avoid their suspicions without ourselves seeming suspicious.

    Similarly, we want to recruit the Doctor and the Cop but, and this is important, before they've revealed themselves. The reason for this it's pretty obvious that recruiting them after they've revealed themselves to be townies is a good strategy, so it'll be pretty obvious what's going on. Moreso with the Doctor than the Cop, since the Doctor can save himself from a Mafia kill.

    Ideally, we could get the Cop after he's had some time to investigate people.

  • April 8, 2012
    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    I know it makes no difference since you can't see this, Xhin, but congratulations. You drafted...

    The Cop.

    Sadly, I did not collect any information, but I will ensure the longevity of this organization.

    April 9, 2012
    `Roxas`

    You may now vote.

    April 12, 2012
    Yeano

    Also, if you are not voting, please write that you abstain from voting. That will allow me to end the round sooner if everyone gets their actions in sooner.

    April 12, 2012
    Yeano

    I elect to brainwash Shadowwalked.

    April 12, 2012
    `Roxas`

    I know this has been brought up a few times in the main thread, but what happens if we, the Cult, attempt to brainwash a member of the Mafia? Is that person just inducted in to the Cult, or is there some kind of death associated with either side, such as Mason targeting Mafia or Cult?

    Never mind, I realized I asked that the first day and you answered, Yeano.

    April 12, 2012
    `Roxas`

    I elect to brainwash

    Pfffft I wanted to be part of the cult anyway.

    So what is the plan, captain?

    April 12, 2012
    Shadowwalked

    I was going to go after #85, but second guessed that, since he would be an obvious target by the Mafia and then would have been useless.

    Then I considered LLight, just as Xhin did. But I thought about it, and maybe the Masons would have thought of the same strategy as he did and taken LLight for themselves.

    I'm not too sure about who. I've considered Teddy, but I don't know. poptart, with his lack of talking during the day, would be a nice pick-up regardless, but I think he may be a Mason too.

    Who do you think we should brainwash next?

    April 12, 2012
    `Roxas`

    So much for Teddy, with CtR's suggestion of going after non-suspicious persons.

    And Shadow, were you the Doctor by chance?

    April 12, 2012
    `Roxas`

    Then I considered LLight, just as Xhin did. But I thought about it, and maybe the Masons would have thought of the same strategy as he did and taken LLight for themselves.

    I figured that would be the first move by the masons as well.

    I can find out what pop is whenever he gets back, and he always shines when hes in a position of evil.

    And Shadow, were you the Doctor by chance?

    I was not, just a townie :(

    April 12, 2012
    Shadowwalked

    Who do you think are Masons, at this point? We both agree LLight is highly likely to be one. white lancer was one, until he looked at a Mafia member. Maybe MajorasMask?

    Same goes for Mafia. Could just be his lack of game time experience, but I think Teddy may well be a member of the group.

    And the Doctor?

    April 12, 2012
    `Roxas`

    Well, we know we have twice the number of guys on our side than do the Masons, and I'm almost convinced about LLight being that second Mason.

    As far as who we recruit tonight, I'm thinking Teddy or poptart! I'm thinking the latter is the Doctor, just due to his inactivity and the fact that normally, by now, the Doctor would have correctly guessed on somebody to save. If I were the Doctor, I'd continue saving myself every possible night from the start.

    April 12, 2012
    `Roxas`

    Now I'm thinking go after the wild card guys, such as Knukles. He can be a HUGE asset to our game, if used properly. Still not sure to what extent Zanic, who I view as a wild card player, could benefit us.

    April 12, 2012
    `Roxas`

    Who do you think are Masons, at this point? We both agree LLight is highly likely to be one. white lancer was one, until he looked at a Mafia member. Maybe MajorasMask?

    If LLight is one, then we're in a dangerous position. We can't let him keep recruiting members, and there is no easy way in turning the town against him.

    What we could do is try to get the Mason to admit who he is, simply by acknowledging that by telling who the Mafia was, we take their numbers down to one, and that the Mason will be "untouchable" (We wouldn't be able to vote for him during the day, nor could we vote for him at night, but it would eliminate a possible suicide vote for us).

    If the Mafia is smart, they'll leave the Mason alive (Since it is the mafia and towns only real defense against us). However, if the Mafia is dumb, they'll kill him off, allowing us to go in for the cleanup. I'm really hoping its option number two.

    Same goes for Mafia. Could just be his lack of game time experience, but I think Teddy may well be a member of the group.


    He might be, but I haven't noticed anything particularly telling. Then again I've been in class all day, so I'll check again.

    And the Doctor?

    I say we suggest a full role reveal, as that is already being passed around in the full thread as we speak. As long as we can logic it properly, they should fall for it, and it will be a death sentence for them.

    poptart! I'm thinking the latter is the Doctor

    If he was, he'd already be bragging about it to me.

    Now I'm thinking go after the wild card guys, such as Knukles. He can be a HUGE asset to our game, if used properly. Still not sure to what extent Zanic, who I view as a wild card player, could benefit us.

    Perhaps, but I think his energy can be twisted easier into a self-destruction of the town group. He can be easily lead on, and it doesn't take too much to convince him. LLight is my primary concern, with Majora coming up second. We figure out how to take them down, and we should have this in the bag.

    April 12, 2012
    Shadowwalked

    I think, due to his math from last round, the Mafia will be gunning for LLight in the night. Should he be Mason, we are free to go on a rampage.

    Let's say that LLight is the Mason and is killed today/tonight.

    2 Mafia : 6 Town (0 Mason) : 2 Mafia going into the night

    From there, we have a 25% chance of picking a Mafia member and a 75% chance of a Townie. (Hopefully the former, since that will give us the other member of the Mafia).

    At Night's end:

    1 Mafia : 5 Townie : 3 Cult

    Even if the Town ends up taking out the solo Mafia, it is still a 5:3 at day's end.

    Next Night:

    4 Townie : 4 Cult

    If we play our cards right, we could win on Day 5.

    April 13, 2012
    `Roxas`

    I think we should take out Zanic. Look at my post in the main thread. Obviously we both can't vote for him, so I would suggest you vote for cheifsonny or poptart.

    EDIT: Or you can pile on a vote to Zanic. Completely up to you.

    April 13, 2012
    `Roxas`

    Scratch everything right there. Vote for whoever the hell you want to, doesn't matter until the night round if we mess up, y'know?

    April 13, 2012
    `Roxas`

    Well, it appears as though Knukles is Mafia and wants to be voted out of the game. That's the path we shall take for the day, I suppose. I'm thinking chief or poptart for brainwashing.

    April 13, 2012
    `Roxas`

    You may now vote. Remember to specify if you are not voting.

    April 14, 2012
    Yeano

    Alright, I'm going to talk to pop to see what he is before we vote. No sense risking a suicide, right?

    April 14, 2012
    Shadowwalked

    Yeah, I vote to brainwash pop.

    Roxas, I would abstain from a vote to protect yourself just in case of tomfoolery on his part.

    April 14, 2012
    Shadowwalked

    We get first move in the night, then the Mason. Worst comes to worst, the Mason chooses one of the two guys we choose to brainwash, or I choose an existing Mason.

    I'm willing to take the risk at this point, if it means giving us a 1 Mafia-5 Townie-4 Cult distribution should we both be right.

    I like our odds, because if the Mafia kills a Mason, then we have a 4-1 advantage on the Mason in the next night. It does look like Teddy will be voted off next round, as he is quite possibly the Godfather

    I vote to brainwash chiefsonny.



    Here's how everything could break down:

    You successfully recruit poptart. 1 Mafia-6 Townie (1 or 2 Mason)-3 Cult
    I successfully recruit chiefsonny. 1 Mafia-5 Townie (1 or 2 Mason)-4 Cult
    Mafia takes out townie, with 20 or 40 percent chance of that person at that point being a Mason 1 Mafia-4 Townie (1 or 2 Mason)-4 Cultist
    Town and the four of us lynch Mafia 4 Townie (1 or 2 Mason)-4 Cultist
    We UNANIMOUSLY decide on one person, between 50 and 67 percent chance of getting a non-Mason
    WE WIN

    April 14, 2012
    `Roxas`

  • NOTE: Successful Recruitment means that neither are a Mason or are killed via Mason trying to recruit somebody we have already.

  • April 14, 2012
    `Roxas`

    Should I be taken down tonight, for who knows what reason, I would like to welcome our newest members.

    April 14, 2012
    `Roxas`

    I'm a bit worried now that I said I would vote for pop. Chiefsonny is suspicious of him (Which wouldn't matter if we brainwash him), but knuckles might have ruined pop as a potential cult since knuckles said he was innocent, and then died as a mafia. I don't think pop is a mafia, but still, that is unneeded attention to a potential recruit, and if pop is shown to be a cultist, its not a stretch of the mind to assume that I am too. We're on risky ground here.

    April 14, 2012
    Shadowwalked

    We'll be just fine.

    April 14, 2012
    `Roxas`

    I may not have made myself clear. Only one person is brainwashed per night.

    I'll give you some more time to think about this, but if I were to end the round now, only chiefsonny would be recruited since the most senior member picked him to break the tie.

    April 14, 2012
    Yeano

    Oh... well, then poptart I guess.

    April 14, 2012
    `Roxas`

    I'm thinking of revealing myself as the Cop and saying that I investigated hezekiah Night One: Innocent, Knukles Night Two: Guilty, and possibly CtR Night Three: Suspicious.

    What do you two think, Shadow and poptart?

    April 14, 2012
    `Roxas`

    Mason:
    CtR Black
    MajorasMask9

    Townsman
    Zanic
    chiefsonny
    LLight

    Cult
    `Roxas`
    Shadowwalked
    poptart!

    I think we go for chiefsonny or LLight tonight, but I would prefer LLight. Zanic is completely expendable in this campaign. None of us seem to be real targets by anyone right now.

    April 14, 2012
    `Roxas`

    What do you two think, Shadow and poptart?

    I think that the Masons just revealed themselves to us in the main thread, but I'm going to have to think about the best approach to using that situation.

    April 14, 2012
    Shadowwalked

    Yeah. There is a 1/18 chance (if I'm doing my math right) that the person that we recruit is also recruited by CtR and MM9.

    There is a 50/50 chance that they choose any three of us or any three of the remaining Townies, should we take no action tonight.

    We can still pull this out, so long as that third Mason member reveals himself tomorrow (letting us know who the one remaining Townie is while there is a 4M-4C-1T ratio), or they kill one of us and we successfully recruit somebody (2M-3C-2T). We win from here on out, so long as we are not lynched in the day.

    EDIT: Also, is there any reason why poptart hasn't been active in the game?

    April 14, 2012
    `Roxas`

    We can still pull this out, so long as that third Mason member reveals himself tomorrow (letting us know who the one remaining Townie is while there is a 4M-4C-1T ratio), or they kill one of us and we successfully recruit somebody (2M-3C-2T). We win from here on out, so long as we are not lynched in the day.

    We should be able to manage, as you're usually a very good asset to the town, and no one really targets me unless I get drunk and yell at chiefsonny again.

    EDIT: Also, is there any reason why poptart hasn't been active in the game?

    Not really, he just gets bored as the townie. However, right now, he's doing the best thing we could want him to do. He hasn't acted any differently now that he's a part of the cult, and we can use his vote to overpower the town and lynch the masons during the day. I'll just have to yell at him on AIM when we need his vote.

    April 14, 2012
    Shadowwalked

    Agreed, but we need to make sure we get a secured 4th Townie converted in order to do seal the win.

    Also, MM9 edited the post where he confessed about being a Mason (the one where he votes for Teddy) to cover that up, and he also edited his most recent reply saying that the other Mason should keep quiet.

    April 14, 2012
    `Roxas`

    Alright, looks like Teddy is the one to be lynched today.

    We know CtR and MM9 are Masons.
    Zanic is non-factor for the time being.
    We should go after chief or LLight, whoever we collectively decide is least likely to be targeted by the Masons. My opinion, that person is chief.
    LLight is most likely to be targeted by the Masons.
    In the next day round, we have Shadow, chief, poptart and myself vote for any one person, but we all have to agree on who we lynch in the next day.

    Suggestions? Comments? Concerns? Questions?

    April 14, 2012
    `Roxas`

    Also, MM9 edited the post where he confessed about being a Mason (the one where he votes for Teddy) to cover that up, and he also edited his most recent reply saying that the other Mason should keep quiet.

    Noticed that too, thought it was pretty funny. He didn't really think that through in my opinion.

    I say we go with chief, if LLight isn't the third mason already. Keep a watchful eye for suspicious behavior though, we can't risk a suicide.

    April 14, 2012
    Shadowwalked

    There was one Mason to start the last night, so MM9 is the second. We could go with chief, LLight or Zanic, and I'm not too confident on picking up Zanic. LLight is much more likely, in my opinion, to be picked up by the Masons than either of the two. And if the Masons DO go after chief as well, they still have nothing against us. The next day they may consider going after poptart or Zanic, I think. Both of them, other than Teddy or Xhin, have been the least resourceful in this game.

    I would like to hear from poptart's input on tonight's actions, preferably in this post.

    April 14, 2012
    `Roxas`

    LLight is much more likely, in my opinion, to be picked up by the Masons than either of the two. And if the Masons DO go after chief as well, they still have nothing against us.

    This is why I'd rather them go after chief instead of pop. LLight would be quick to see the connection between us, but would be more in the dark if chief was chosen.

    April 14, 2012
    Shadowwalked

    I we manage to get Chief tonight without any difficulty, I will reveal that Zanic is a member of the Cult. That I investigated him Night 4.

    Night 1: hezekiah - Innocent
    Night 2: Knux - Guilty
    Night 3: CtR - Innocent
    Night 4: Zanic - Suspicious

    Although, this could backfire and get me lynched, but we still have numbers on our side.

    April 14, 2012
    `Roxas`

    You may now vote. If you are not voting, please state so.

    April 14, 2012
    Yeano

    I we manage to get Chief tonight without any difficulty, I will reveal that Zanic is a member of the Cult. That I investigated him Night 4.

    Since you're the cop, no one else can call you out on it. You can say that Zanic came as suspicious, but that everyone else you investigated was innocent, but you didn't want to reveal it yet because the mafia was still alive.

    April 14, 2012
    Shadowwalked

    Mhm... That move should seal the deal.

    Is poptart on? I want him to be hear and active in the discussion before we come to a final decision. Or at the very least make a post here.

    We can go into deliberation, looking at the Pros and Cons of taking in one of the three remaining Townies, should MM9's slip up be true in nature and CtR not bluffing.

    April 14, 2012
    `Roxas`

    Zanic:
    (Pros)
    Masons are not likely to target him
    (Cons)
    We would have to kill off a harder target in LLight or chiefsonny in the day

    LLight
    (Pros)
    Great strategist
    Goes through with in game plans on a consistent basis
    (Cons)
    Most likely will be recruited by the Masons tonight

    chiefsonny
    (Pros)
    Perhaps one of two players I would consider taking, however is less likely to be targeted by the Masons tonight
    (Cons)
    Can't think of any, at the moment

    April 14, 2012
    `Roxas`

    Shadow, LLight or chief. I'll leave the decision up to you.

    April 15, 2012
    `Roxas`

    I'll vote for Chief, if he's Mason at least you'll stay alive. It's best if you don't vote.

    April 15, 2012
    Shadowwalked

    Sup bros! I'm not voting!

    April 15, 2012
    poptart!
     

    Alright then.

    And thank you poptart for showing up, even if it is towards the end of the game. lol

    April 15, 2012
    `Roxas`

    The thought just crossed my mind that this brainwash could very well decide the outcome of the game. If this does not work out as intended, it has been a pleasure working with you two this game.

    April 15, 2012
    `Roxas`

    LOL well that was unexpected, I didn't think that poptart would be a mason target.

    We're on troubled ground now. I'm not sure how to approach this scenario.

    April 15, 2012
    Shadowwalked

    We have to no vote, simple as that. That is our only chance at getting out of this. We have to brainwash Zanic or LLight, whomever the Masons did not take in. I'm thinking the former of the two.

    April 15, 2012
    `Roxas`

    I could also call for a ceasefire this round, since I'm the cop and I could have investigated the three of you (chief, you and Zanic), but I would need to further investigate to see who was converted and who was not.


    But now I'm thinking that maybe they want us to think that they took in LLight, but in actuality they took in Zanic. They do this knowing that we would think they take in LLight, so we go for Zanic in the next night round or during the day to gain the advantage. I don't know, I think it's all so confusing right now.

    April 15, 2012
    `Roxas`

    Yeano, I have a question. If we brainwash the last remaining Townie, does the game end then or do the Masons receive their turn at things?

    April 15, 2012
    `Roxas`

    Yeano, I have a question. If we brainwash the last remaining Townie, does the game end then or do the Masons receive their turn at things?

    The game can only end at the end of a round (day round or night round).

    Also, you may now vote.

    April 15, 2012
    Yeano

    Well, it seems as though I have miscalculated our chances. Should we all vote for a known Mason and end this tonight, or try going at it toe to toe?

    April 15, 2012
    `Roxas`

    Hint: You can still win.

    April 15, 2012
    Yeano

    I guess we're going for a vote. Any ideas in particular, Roxas?

    April 15, 2012
    Shadowwalked

    Hm... I see then.

    Well, as I stated before, our obvious choice would be to go after Zanic. However, they expect us to believe they took in LLight and would want us to go after Zanic, when he may well have been the one taken in.

    We're either going for Zanic or LLight, that much is obvious. For some reason the idea of LLight is really enticing me more than the idea of Zanic.

    What do you think, Shadow and chief??

    April 15, 2012
    `Roxas`

    If you want to go for LLight, then I'll go for LLight. He would be a great addition to the team, and I'd be pleased as punch if the Masons haven't already taken him.

    That being said, I'll vote for LLight unless someone wants otherwise.

    April 15, 2012
    Shadowwalked

    I think we should wait on chief's input.

    April 15, 2012
    `Roxas`

    Man, I take my wife out to dinner, go to the VFW for a few beers, get drunk, come home and pass out and wake up and find myself aligned with this motley crew.

    Since it could be the last round, it would make sense to me to go after the strongest player (LLight). But he does go on a lot about the Masons. Is that a cover.


    But since I'm the newest member of the "gang", I'll defer to your judgments.

    April 15, 2012
    chiefsonny
     

    There you go, Yeano. Shadow has made the vote.

    April 15, 2012
    `Roxas`

    Man, I take my wife out to dinner, go to the VFW for a few beers, get drunk, come home and pass out and wake up and find myself aligned with this motley crew.

    Aww, you should have gotten on. I had been drinking too, and this entire game could have gone down in history with drunken hysterics.

    Anywho, I'm going to vote for LLight. My reasoning is thus:

    1) He'd be the strongest addition to the team.

    2) Poptart was targeted by the Masons, so I'm sure that they've reasoned that I'm a likely cultist. If I die targeting a Mason, and they target me during the night, well at least we know for certain who the three masons are.

    Oh, and sorry I yelled at you the other day chiefsonny. I tend to get pissy while drinking, and pissier while hungover.

    April 15, 2012
    Shadowwalked

    "Oh, and sorry I yelled at you the other day chiefsonny. I tend to get pissy while drinking"

    NP. Used to be like that myself. Don't know if I mellowed with age or got tired of getting my ass kicked in bar fights.{:P}

    April 15, 2012
    chiefsonny
     

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