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game 31 night 2 uh not bye

Posted November 6, 2014 by Apollo Justice

As the nippy night air seeped into Pirate_Ninja's house, he was seen making some of his very special homemade hot chocolate while wearing his Donatello Ninja Turtle onesie.

"Hey, did you want marshmallows in your hot chocolate?"

"Sure, why not. I'm always up for a little extra sweetness", The Bandit winked and Pirate_Ninja giggled. He walked over with the two mugs, and carefully handed one to the Bandit.

"Can't believe the year's already closing out... it was just last year I was buying all these new-fangled electronic games for my kids. And now they just want new ones! Yeesh, on my salary I'll never be able to get them the Wiistation One they've been buggin' me for..."

The Bandit looked out the window, unresponsive. "Hey, you there, or..." PN asked.

"I.. I... I have to go now." The Bandit rushed out the door.

"Ugh, he'll never appreciate my cocoa..."

*knock*

*knock*

"Who's there?"

The door flew open, and in an instant, Pirate_Ninja was ambushed. "You're comin' with us, bucko."

He passed out for an hour.. or two... or seven... he didn't really know at this point. When he awoke, he was bound and shackled in a huge chair with wires attached to the base of his head.

"What do you know about this man?" A masked person with some sort of voice-changing device stood before him.



"I-I... H-He's The Bandit! My friend! W-Why?!"

"What does he do?" The mysterious figure held a small device with a red button in the center.

"I-I don't k-know... We've never t-talked about his line of work..." PN squirmed.

"That's not going to be enough."

PN frantically looked around, but was almost instantaneously met by electrocution.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz

He began screaming and crying. "HE'S A MARTYR"

"And where is he currently?"

"He... He's at MajorasMask9's house tonight."

The mysterious figure nodded, and held up the device. "Thanks.

"C-Can I l-leave?"

"That won't be necessary."

The figure pressed the switch and Pirate_Ninja began to violently shake...

The...

Electrocutions..

Didn't....

Stop.

A disgustingly tragic way for the first Townie to pass...

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The Bandit knocked on Majora's door until he was finally greeted by the man himself. "Oh, hi! Can I help you?"

"I... I just had a bad feeling about tonight is all. I'm feeling... tense and nervous. Can I stay here for a while?"

Majora looked puzzled. "Oh, well, sure. Wanna play some New Brawl with me?" He offered a 3DS to the Bandit.

"Nah, I'm alright... Thanks though."

Loud, bumping noises suddenly started coming from the fireplace.

"OH BOY, SANTA! MAN, WHEN THEY SAY CHRISTMAS COMES EARLY, THEY REALLY MEAN IT! SHIT! I DON'T EVEN HAVE MY TREE UP! OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT HURRY BEFORE SANTA COMES DOWN HELP ME CHOP DOWN A TREE"

A figure dressed entirely in black then emerged, gun in hand.

Bandit Thought Bubble
Oh shit... Oh shit oh shit oh shit. I... I have to save Majora. Not today, no, no, the town needs him more than they need me. Shit, shit, I have to do this, I can't... It's what I live for... Oh fuck, FUCK, there's no way around this.


"Don't even bother going after him", the Bandit gestured towards Majora.

"Oh, don't worry... It's not him we're worried about. It's you."

A loud boom was heard, and The Bandit slumped to the floor.

"Fucking Martyrs."

Players
1. white lancer
2. Xhin
3. `Roxas`
4. Castrael
5. Black Yoshi
6. Pirate_Ninja - Townie
7. Lady Flare
8. Helius
9. Lightvayne
10. Hindenburg
11. The Bandit - Martyr
12. Speed Bike Pro
13. MajorasMask9
14. chiefsonny
15. Ghowilo
16. Jo Nathan
17. Chaos Incarnate
18. hezekiah
19. EvilGuy0613

Roles
- Town: Oracle, Sensor, Watcher, Selfless Doctor, Townie x6
- Mafia: Godninja, Interceptor, Ballot Forger, Mafioso x2, Newcomer
- Third-Party: Defense Attorney

Ratio
10 - 6 - 1

72 hours or 12 votes for the same option to end the day round.

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Well, that happened. I really need to brush up on what the hell some of these roles are >_>

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Lightvayne

DID THE BANDIT JUST SAVE MY LIFE

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MajorasMask9

AHHHHH SPOOKY- oh it's not halloween anymore...

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Well, look at all that prose. Lemme see what I can make of it...

P_N must've been the mafia's kill, since Townies don't have night actions that could get them killed by the Interceptor.
That means that both Bandit and the Interceptor must've targeted MM9 last night.

And am I the only one who thinks the Interceptor would be more likely to target one of their own than somebody else in the game?

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hezekiah

No you're not.

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Ghowilo

heh heh. kill. i like blood.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

wtf THE BANDIT LITERALLY SAVED MY LIFE

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MajorasMask9

Stop trying to beat around the bush, chump. Seems you've got a date with the gallows at Ruby Tuesday in approximately 70 hours or 12 votes for the same option.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

I'm not entirely convinced tbqh

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Jo Nathan

I'm with Jo, you bloodthirsty horndogs better convince me before you get my vote.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Me neither...this all just seems like a Mafia ploy to get Majora lynched through a fake bandwagon. I'd rather us consider our options before lynching willy-nilly, especially with the numbers the way they are -- one mislynch and we're screwed solidly.

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Black Yoshi

I missed my daughter's wedding for this SHIT? Somebody's going to die or my name isn't Jeremiah Goosefucker.

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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

I'm not mafia and I'm not sure why I got so many votes honestly lol.

After re-reading things I realize what hezekiah was saying; that PN was a townie so he was the mafia kill since he couldn't visit anyone, meaning The Bandit had to have died from the Interceptor since he visited me. And hezekiah's point is that I'm likely mafia because the mafia targeted me for the interceptor kill which I think is absurd. Why would the mafia target one of themselves intentionally just because it's night 1?

But that's extremely stupid. I'd argue they would have reason NOT to use an Interceptor on themselves with the Oracle alive. If the Oracle visited a mafia member and they were killed by the Interceptor, the mafia player's role would then be revealed. That seems too stupid and risky to do, especially since the only other town-sided power roles have no powers that would HURT the mafia if they were targeted. Like, if the watcher targeted the mafia, they're not going to see much. In fact I'd also argue that the mafia are idiots for not using the Interceptor on their mafia kill. If they did that, they would eliminate the chance of the Watcher seeing them.

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MajorasMask9

I'm now thoroughly convinced mm9 is mafia, why the actual fuck would you give strategic info to the mafia here? Whether or not you're mafia you just told them how to guard against one of our power roles. Come on now find some other way to defend yourself.

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Ghowilo

The little bit that I've seen of this round, I'd be more convinced that hezekiah and Ghowlio are Mafia at this point than Majora, however I'm not saying I believe that He [Majora] is innoecent himself either.

Majora puts a new perspective on night rounds like this regardless of his aliance, so it is by no means an indicator of his role.

I find it difficult to believe the Mafia would use the Interceptor on one of their own on Night One, considering that the town's only way to kill IS DURING THE DAY. For the most part, the Mafia have no reason to intercept their own at this point of the game.

I wouldn't look too much into SBP and Hindy with their votes considering how both typically change their votes when somebody even brings up their wild card style of play.

Won't be voting yet, but I strongly urge we don't add more votes on top of the four for Majora.

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`Roxas`

Or just voting period with the Ballot Forger, seeing as we can't be sure who is having their vote switched.

It's a 4-0 or 3-1 advantage in favor of lynching Majora though.

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`Roxas`

And Ghowlio's very last post in the Night Round was leaning toward Majora brig innocent based off of Day One, but then three posts (one by hezekiah producing doubt in Majora) in to this round he spins 180.

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`Roxas`

Well this shouldn't take 2 long with the Mafia having 2 night kills.

If we lynch one of our own this round and they take out 2 more the next night round, we're up by 1.



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chiefsonny
 

Yeah, voting this early seems like a really, really bad idea with the Ballot Forger in play, because that really screws up the ratio. We've essentially got our backs against the wall already (the ratio is more like 9-7 at this point), and a mislynch could mean game over almost immediately. It's also worth pointing out that we probably can't depend on the Defense Attorney to help us out either, as they have no incentive to keep the game going at all.

I'm not convinced that the Mafia would necessarily target one of their own because, as MM9 pointed out, why would they? It doesn't really accomplish anything (except maybe kill the Newcomer), and it gives them just as much of a chance at hitting someone as visiting anyone else does. That's certainly not reason to rush into a lynch this round--the only thing that would make me a little suspicious of MM9 would be his reaction after hezy pointed out what probably happened last night. I'm also not convinced that hezy and Ghowlio are Mafia, though--or at least, not both of them. The fact that the ratio is so close already makes it a little more plausible that the Mafia would try a risky line like that, but it would still be an incredibly bold move to have two members of your team jump on someone like that right away.

I suggest we take the full day round before coming to a lynch decision.

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white lancer

Bark like a dog and I'll change my vote.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

And am I the only one who thinks the Interceptor would be more likely to target one of their own than somebody else in the game?


What?

Why would The Bandit - Martyr sacrifice himself for MM9 if he was Mafia?

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chiefsonny
 

People seem confused...

Interceptor - Can choose someone to target during the night, and if someone else also visits the target that night, the visitor will be killed. If ANOTHER visitor also visits the target that night, one of them will die (decided on by a roll), but the Interceptor will also be revealed to the town the following Day.


Got that? Let's pull out the important bit:

[I]f someone else... visits the [Interceptor's] target... the visitor will be killed.


The Interceptor is basically a bodyguard for their target every night, killing anybody who tries to get close to that person at night. I think that it's quite reasonable to expect the mafia to use the Interceptor defensively.


Anyway, a key takeaway from this is that MM9's life wasn't in danger last night. Bandit didn't die because he protected MM9, Bandit died because he visited[/] MM9.

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hezekiah

I'm now thoroughly convinced mm9 is mafia, why the actual fuck would you give strategic info to the mafia here? Whether or not you're mafia you just told them how to guard against one of our power roles. Come on now find some other way to defend yourself.


I do this often, but the intention you're assuming is wrong. This should be common knowledge and the town should ASSUME that the mafia are going to do this already.

Also hezekiah, I understand that. The Interceptor targeted me, so that anyone visiting me would die. The problem is your assumption is that I'm likely mafia because of this. I'm arguing the exact opposite: it should be LESS likely that I'm mafia because:

1) None of the town power roles visiting a mafia would negatively impact said mafia player

2) If the Oracle visited a mafia member who was protected by the interceptor, the Oracle would die and the mafia member's identity would be revealed.

It would be a pointless risk that is inherently not in the Maria's favor, so assuming I'm more likely to be mafia because of the interceptor is flawed logic.

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MajorasMask9

I like to cast votes early so we can force someone to defend themselves. Then I can change my vote depending on what's said. As I said last round I don't think mm9 is mafia, or at least I'm not entirely convinced, that said he seems to believe what he's saying, even though I don't really agree. I'm changing my vote to go with my gut. There's really no strong reason for me to do this.

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Ghowilo

I'm so confused...

Can someone please give me a summary of what happened during the night round? I mean, I like a good story and all, but I can't figure out what actually happened, especially since I'm not familiar with the new roles.

Also, how are there two townie kills every night? I'm confused by that point too.

Also don't vote for majora yet because he teaches orphanage children how to play piano.

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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Mafia killed PN. Interceptor and Bandit both targeted MM9, so Bandit got killed that way. Thanks for reading my first reply (crs)

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hezekiah

I've had a very rough evening last night. I hit a deer. :( And my car is in the shop. But anyhow, I'll try to catch up on all of this pretty soon.

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Helius

I'm starting to grow wary of this "hezekiah" character, it seems like this kid has been dropping acid with the 8th Avenue thugs behind Elmore High.

I've had a very rough evening last night. I hit a deer. :(


I ran over a possum last Sunday night... I had never hit an animal before... I have a shoulder for you, friend...

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Well, I get to pony up a $100 deductible for the shop which isn't bad.... I guess.

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Helius

Ghowilo kill mafia. Ghowilo smash.

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Ghowilo

I am curious what hezekiah's thoughts are considering he still has a vote on me and hasn't really addressed any of my posts questioning his argument against me.

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MajorasMask9

He's still got two days, give him some time.

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Ghowilo

He's still got two days, give him some time.

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Ghowilo

Jk

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Ghowilo

It DOES seem kind of silly to me to assume that Majora's Mask is mafia just based on this.

But then again, from what I seen in the last game I played, Majora's Mask knows what he's doing, and he knows how to throw everyone off.

I have no idea on this one. But I do know that if we don't figure this out, it will likely just drag onto the next round as well. Which means, I think we may as well kill someone, probably Majora. But that's just my opinion.

I'm not sure I want to get caught up in a bandwagon vote yet, so I'll see what happens. Hopefully I'll get back in time to cast a vote.

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Chaos Incarnate

I say if we kill Majora leave it as is, don't cast anymore votes, that way the sensor can figure out who amongst the voters is. A few more shouldn't hurt, might even help but we should help him or her narrow down the options. If we can get the ballot forger the sensor will have even better chances figuring out whose who.

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Ghowilo

I have no idea on this one. But I do know that if we don't figure this out, it will likely just drag onto the next round as well.


IMHO there's nothing that needs figuring out, though. hezekiah made a vote for me with no good evidence. There aren't really any loose ends there :/. It would be like if I voted for Xhin with Ghowilo with my reason being that I think it's suspicious that the Martyr didn't visit him.

(I know that's absurd but that's kind of my point)

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MajorasMask9

I actually do think xhin is mafia, I'm really not convinced mm9 is. Does anyone know any other reasons to suspect him? Anyone got any other suspicions? My vote for xhin isn't spite for him voting for me last round otherwise I'd be voting for Hindenberg. I think xhin was forcing a connection to me last round whereas Hindenberg was just being Hindenberg. We've kinda got a mutual understanding on our feelings towards each other.

However as y'all probably know by now I'm super competitive and really would like for us to win again so if you have a better idea, more information, think I'm an idiot or whatever, come forward with it so we can work through the shtick

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Ghowilo

There is most definitely treachery afoot. The question is, which side is perpetrating it? I'm leaning heavily toward hez and Ghowilo tbqh!

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Jo Nathan

If it'll ease your mind.

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Ghowilo

What, because I made an assumption you all are thinking I'm mafia? I'm most certainly not. I've used similar logic in past games, and so far we've not gotten any better lead to go off of.

(I would definitely suggest that our lynch be someone other than me, fwiw...)

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hezekiah

Only voting to tip the scales and get a number off of me. Will likely remove if I lose a vote or two.

FWIW I'm not very suspicious of Ghowilo. Can't speak for hezekiah. Idk if I'd vote to lynch though.

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MajorasMask9

I really just think we should lynch someone, but I don't want to be the one who decides...

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Ghowilo

Oh wait, I just realized it was tied and now it's not. Anyways, I'd rather someone else take up the responsibility of making a decision.

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Ghowilo

Question for the host: Does the Godninja show up in Sensor stats?

I just ask because it seems that no one is asking that question. I honestly don't know what to do in this situation. I don't like how Xhin has been claiming he's a Townie, but I don't find him overly suspicious either.

The problem is that we had 16 people vote in the last day round and have 19 people playing. Someone isn't A) playing or B) they are deliberately not talking to hide.

I suggest that if we vote for anyone, we vote for the inactive. I guess that's just my suggestion.

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Helius

Godninja will show up as innocent in sensor results.

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Apollo Justice

Another day, another dollar. The dollar in this case being taped to my ass as I wake up in a strange motel room with no recollection of the last 3 days.

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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

My vote will be going to hezekiah. It seems like he's trying too hard to "prove" Majora's guilt.

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`Roxas`

I'm still not certain on hezekiah--it seems like an extremely bold play for a Mafia member to just come out and try to lead a lynch against someone, especially a player of MM9's caliber. I guess he's shown a tendency to make bold moves as Mafia before--his single-vote lynch of someone a while ago comes to mind--but it's clearly super risky. I'm a little more suspicious of Ghowlio because he's been really back-and-forth this game and because Mafia members generally feel better jumping onto bandwagons (if you can call hezy's one vote a bandwagon) than starting them. I will say, though, that if hezekiah turns out guilty, it's pretty unlikely that Ghowlio is as well.

I do think we probably want to lynch this round...the Ballot Forger makes me very nervous as the ratio is actually very close, but a mislynch this round is not a guaranteed loss next round as it would probably be if we No Killed today and mislynched tomorrow, and at least we'd get some Sensor information out of the lynch. I also think we need to continue to take advantage of the whole round, so I'm holding my vote for now. I'm interested to hear why Ghowlio finds Xhin so suspicious.

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white lancer

Ghowlio because he's been really back-and-forth this game


Did you not play the last game? Hold on while I find examples of why I think he's suspicious.

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Ghowilo

I actually didn't really play the last game--I was Silenced and then dead! {:P}

I'm also not opposed to voting off inactive/unhelpful players this round, just because we might need every vote we can get next round. Not sure how many truly fit into those categories--I'll skim through the posts after I'm home from work.

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white lancer

Hey guys I'm a townie, please don't kill me.


This was the very first thing he said, other than FIXED. An early townie claim makes me suspicious.


I've never been a fan of not killing on day 1. Die, mafia scum!

Actually I'm sure you're a legit townie and you secretly teach orphanage children to play piano or w/e


That's when he voted to lynch MM9 last round. Why vote for someone you're sure [is] a legit townie?



Castrael



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yeah, clearly Ghowilo is a mafioso, because:

• everyone knows a mafioso would try to get other people lynched

• which means that a smart mafioso would stay silent, which a smart observer knows.

• So in order to fool the smart observers, the mafioso would try to get people lynched.


This was him turning things against me. Now, I've yet to actually defend myself or make a claim, I've joked around a few times, but I'm not going to, because if y'all want to lynch me that's your prerogative. Is it a good idea? No. But I'm not going to stop you or try to tell you WHY it's a bad idea.

Also, when JN voted for him first last round, I asked him why, trying to figure things out. He didn't reply, but his post was just

tbqh

Jo Nathan voted for Xhin


Hmm, so:

• Mafia members naturally wouldn't claim that they're mafia.

• Which means that a smart mafia member *would* claim that they're mafia.

Yes... it's all stacking up Ghowilo....


That was Xhin using the same logic he'd already used. Also, that last line sounds like emperor Palpatine, js.


He hasn't talked this round so I don't have anything else to show you, but that is why I think he's mafia.

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Ghowilo

I'm not really inactive. I've been reading what everyone is saying, I just don't know who is most likely Mafia out of Majora, hez, or Ghowilo. It seems the main reason Majora came under suspicion was because the Interceptor visited him. But there wasn't really anything to mark him as suspicious last round. After all The Bandit was prepared to die for him if the Mafia targeted him for their kill. This doesn't make him innocent but the reasoning for his guilt is somewhat flawed.

And I forgot about the Sensor or I may have not so rashly voted NoKill last Round.

We need to make sure there are a few votes lead on our lynch choice so the Ballot Forger cannot interfere.

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Lady Flare

Castrael



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yeah, clearly Ghowilo is a mafioso, because:


This was him turning things against me.


Huh? What? Are you calling me a guy, Ghowilo? (death)

Anyway. I need to read everything before I can decide on who's who. So far, I can see that it's between Hezy and Majora. Or, if someone can give me a brief description on what's going on that'll be great.

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Castrael

Cas, you weren't supposed to be there, I accidently copied more than I meant to. If it was possible I would have edited it out.

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Ghowilo

And a brief overview of what's going on. [bl]Hezekiah[/bl] accused [bl]MM9[/bl] of being mafia because [bl]MM9[/bl] was visited by the interceptor. I don't really know how the martyr works, if he has to visit someone or dies in place of the first townie, but it seemed reasonable enough for me to change my opinion, originally suspecting [bl]MM9[/bl] to be a townie. I'm still not 100% convinced that [bl]MM9[/bl] is mafia, but I don't know what that makes [bl]Hezekiah[/bl]. I assume the only reason he's being voted for is because he accused [bl]MM9[/bl]. [bl]Roxas[/bl] says he's trying too hard to prove [bl]MM9[/bl]s guilt, I don't disagree. I also feel like [bl]Xhin[/bl] is trying a bit to hard to force my guilt, but I can't, and won't, defend myself against those claims, not now anyways. If anyone does remember the last game, they should be aware that until the round is over, my vote is not final. Doesn't mean I'm wishy washy necessarily, just that I like to screw around a bit because why not, it's a game, it's supposed to be fun so why not goof off? Anyways, that's the general scoop. I don't know who is mafia I'm actually leaning more towards [bl]Hezekiah[/bl] at this point, but due to my uncertainty I refuse to be the one who decides, which is why I tried to keep the tie last night. At this point, I think my vote is stuck, I want other people to make the decision, but not too many. That would make it harder for the Sensor to determine guilt, especially with the Ballot Forger in play.

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Ghowilo

I though [bl] was blue lol.

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Ghowilo

I wanted to have the formatting right...

And a brief overview of what's going on. Hezekiah accused MM9 of being mafia because MM9 was visited by the interceptor. I don't really know how the martyr works, if he has to visit someone or dies in place of the first townie, but it seemed reasonable enough for me to change my opinion, originally suspecting MM9 to be a townie. I'm still not 100% convinced that MM9 is mafia, but I don't know what that makes Hezekiah. I assume the only reason he's being voted for is because he accused MM9. Roxas says he's trying too hard to prove MM9s guilt, I don't disagree. I also feel like Xhin is trying a bit to hard to force my guilt, but I can't, and won't, defend myself against those claims, not now anyways. If anyone does remember the last game, they should be aware that until the round is over, my vote is not final. Doesn't mean I'm wishy washy necessarily, just that I like to screw around a bit because why not, it's a game[/jp], it's supposed to be fun so why not goof off? Anyways, that's the general scoop. I don't know who is mafia I'm actually leaning more towards Hezekiah at this point, but due to my uncertainty I refuse to be the one who decides, which is why I tried to keep the tie last night. At this point, I think my vote is stuck, I want other people to make the decision, but not too many. That would make it harder for the Sensor to determine guilt, especially with the Ballot Forger in play.

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Ghowilo

Goddamnit! You get it.

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Ghowilo

[e][/e] is blue.

I think what's going on here is that since the Interceptor targeted Majora and so did Bandit, Bandit was killed in Majora's place, and people are taking that in entirely the wrong direction. The Interceptor role targets a player at night and if someone visits that player, the visitor dies. I'm not sure what part of that means Majora is Mafia.

Quite frankly, I'm leaning heavily in the Ghowilo direction. I've seen very similar behavior from guilty parties in many a Mafia game, competitiveness notwithstanding. Usually when a player seems adamant this early on that someone is Mafia, it's either because their target is highly suspicious or because the player themselves is Mafia and trying to pass suspicion on someone else. In this case, it has to be the latter because even if Majora is Mafia, he's far too good at hiding it to fall victim to that play this early on.

Also damn it I forgot about the Ballot Forger.

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Black Yoshi

it's either because their target is highly suspicious or because the player themselves is Mafia and trying to pass suspicion on someone else. In this case, it has to be the latter


LYNCH ME LYNCH ME LYNCH ME

Seriously, I. Do. Not. Give. A. Fuck.

You'll regret it, but I don't care, several of y'all have already pissed me off this game, remember me saying how spiteful I can be?

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Ghowilo

sheesh, it's just a game..............................

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Speed Bike Pro
 

I'm aware, and my anger does not extend outside of this game lol.

I've also been really pissy the past few days, this morning especially. But it does piss me off that folks are accusing me, not just that their accusing me but because of why.

Hindenberg voted for me last round, I thought it was kinda funny actually, seeing as we've got a history of not being the friendliest folks to each other (I've been trying to be nice lately...), but out of ALL people, he was taken seriously for no good reason. Xhin bounced off of this and has attempted to turn the tables on me. What makes me hella-suspicious is that he used the same reasoning twice, and then thought it would be a good idea to say "the pieces are all falling into place" after he'd made the same exact argument just a few hours past.

But seriously, of all people, y'all are letting Hindenberg influence your doubts onto me. This is what actually has me pissed off.

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Ghowilo

On a serious note, I really don't think Hindenburg has anything to do with it.........

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Perhaps not but it seems that way to me. No one else had really provided a reason as to why they're suspicious of me. If you have a legit reason for suspecting me I'll tell you why you're wrong, but otherwise these shenanigans are really not worth the time.

For the record I feel like black Yoshi has good reasoning. He's wrong, but I understand his reasoning.

Give me a reason to go public with my suspicions and reasonings and I will, they're already typed out.

November 7, 2014
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Ghowilo

Oh, and I'm leaving town this weekend, if I don't respond after 4pm CST it's because I'm at a festival with my cousin.

November 7, 2014
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Ghowilo

Well Ghowilo has been acting odd I admit but I don't think he's mafia....at least not yet. I'm leaning more towards Xhin. It just seems like he's trying a bit hard to play innocent.

November 7, 2014
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EvilGuy0613

I'll freely admit that my rationale for voting for MM9 isn't the most bulletproof of reasons to kill somebody. But I explained it as best I could given what we had to go on, so idk what more you want from me. It's resulted in multiple options being thrown around (including myself (horror)), so it most definitely wasn't a complete waste.


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So I just went back and started rereading the round. Having just skimmed it previously, I didn't catch the point at the end of his first reply about how the mafia "should" be using the Interceptor. I had made a pretty poor assumption about the amounts of roles moving around at night; as people have mentioned recently, there would indeed be more of a reason to Intercept a non-mafia than a mafia.

So yeah. I'm retracting my suspicion of MM9 for now. Ghow's relatively chaotic play seems fishy to me, so he's got my vote for now.

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(I would definitely suggest that our lynch be someone other than me, fwiw...)
That was me claiming a power role. Just sayin'.

November 7, 2014
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hezekiah

(hehe)

November 8, 2014
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Lightvayne

Sitting in my cousins house, waiting for him to show up. Anyways, if you must know I've recently went back from being depressed and I'm now manic again. Which comes with the offset of being a little crazy. But I completely understand that line of reasoning. Fwiw, I'm not really upset about it anymore. I kinda had a rage fit over this asshole trying to come between me and my date on Tuesday, sketchy ass mother fucker, we're going to fight next time I see him.

November 8, 2014
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Ghowilo

Holy shit he was supposed to be here 30 minutes ago and is just now leaving Dothan. That means he won't be here for another 30 minutes.

November 8, 2014
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Ghowilo

Or more considering the traffic for the peanut festival is nucking futs.

November 8, 2014
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Ghowilo

Peanut festival? Have a delicious time. {y}

November 8, 2014
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Jo Nathan

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO KILL I'M ABOUT TO FALL ASLEEP OVER HERE

November 8, 2014
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Speed Bike Pro
 

I'm going to take Hezekiah at his word with his power role claim, i hope he's legit. Y'all decide.

November 8, 2014
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Ghowilo

We still have another day don't we? Yeah let me do this for now. I will actually attempt to provide something meaningful to the discussion tomorrow when I'm not hanging onto consciousness by a thread.

November 8, 2014
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Jo Nathan

Suddenly, as the discussion was approaching its climax, Castrael slumped to the ground. "O-ow...."

The Mafioso had taken her own life. (cry)

(requested host kill)

November 8, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Not very satisfying but, uhh... guess i'll take it........

November 8, 2014
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Speed Bike Pro
 

A mafia dead is a mafia dead!

Yay!

I'm randomly voting cause I don't know what to do here.

November 8, 2014
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Helius

Same reason for switching my vote as before nothing personal :(.

November 8, 2014
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MajorasMask9

So exciting!

Though I do think a kill today would be beneficial for us moving forward, especially if we can hit a Mafia member

November 8, 2014
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`Roxas`

Lol well I'm not going to roll over and die.

November 8, 2014
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Ghowilo

I would take my vote off when the vote isn't tied.

November 8, 2014
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MajorasMask9

(if I didn't make that clear before)

November 8, 2014
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MajorasMask9

Okay my bad I thought that put me up for lynch. Considering I'm not trying to be the asshole to kill someone for no reason, and I didn't take it personal, that was honestly a mistake on my part.

November 8, 2014
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Ghowilo

Are you trying to tie up the votes Majora? I'm confused about your last statement.

November 8, 2014
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Lady Flare

Yeah that's what he was doing. If someone were to vote for me he intended to take his vote off I believe.

November 8, 2014
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Ghowilo

Yes, because people have been putting the vote off and the round is ending in three hours. I'd rather a tie be in place than a kill on myself or Ghowilo honestly.

November 8, 2014
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MajorasMask9

That being considered...

November 8, 2014
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`Roxas`

For the record, as I said earlier, I don't think Ghowilo is guilty. But I'm not guilty and the only reason I have votes are because hezekiah voted for me with a reason that was kind of silly. Then Speed and Hindenburg were being Speed and Hindenburg. Some people saw the votes and ended up thinking there was a good argument against me or something.

If I die I guess Caestrael's kill will offset the loss but at the same time I'm not going to say killing me is a good idea and let it happen. If my only option is a tie in the votes to prevent it then I'll tie the vote.

November 8, 2014
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MajorasMask9

I already told you, bark like a dog and I'll change my vote.

November 8, 2014
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Speed Bike Pro
 

^ the only reason I have votes, for anyone that hasn't had the time to read the thread.

November 8, 2014
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MajorasMask9

I'm in favour of a kill because it will give the Sensor data. Having essentially 2 NoKills isn't really going to get us anywhere.

November 8, 2014
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Lady Flare

I'm in favor of a kill as well but not particularly on myself or Ghowilo :). I'm nervous that we won't really be able to change the votes to anyone else though. Someone mentioned voting for inactive players and I feel like now would be the best time to do that since we had a mafia kill already, so even if they end up being an inactive townie, it would help us in the end.

November 8, 2014
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MajorasMask9

Ok. I really didn't want to kill either of you . But I really think we should kill someone. So...

November 8, 2014
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Lady Flare

Btw. If Cas hadn't killed herself and we were discussing this, I would have picked her.

November 8, 2014
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Lady Flare

Not hearing any barks.

On a serious note, I would be 100% A-OK with brutally murdering inactives. I'd rather do it now than the usual time it happens in games, which is never, since those people typically end up coming back at the end and being a real pain in the ass.

November 8, 2014
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Speed Bike Pro
 

I'm going to go with Hindenburg for now:

1)To tie the vote between Ghowilo and myself.
2)To gain momentum on a vote that I don't particularly have any problems with, and I think it's the only one we could get going so late in the day.

November 8, 2014
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MajorasMask9

We actually have some breathing room now that Cas is gone, so I'm very much in favor of lynching this round and getting some Sensor data. I don't think a tie vote or no vote today does us any favors, though, so I'm reluctant to jump onto the Hindenburg bandwagon unless I know it's going to go through although I think he's a reasonable lynch target. We don't have much time to get that going, so I'll change my vote to break the tie if nothing else happens...and between Ghowilo and MM9, I think Ghow is the more suspicious. I could see his flip-floppiness being the result of his personality rather than him being Mafia, but there are certainly more reasons to be suspicious of him than of MM9 IMO.

November 8, 2014
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white lancer

Also, as far as inactive players go...we don't really have any. I believe everyone has posted this round, so while there are some players who have been less active than usual (chiefsonny, Xhin, Lightvayne), we're not super likely to run into a situation where someone's inactivity costs us the game.

November 8, 2014
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white lancer

I really wanted to see Hindenberg play, but he hasn't said anything in the three days we've had. That said

November 9, 2014
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Ghowilo

I'd like to see at least one more vote for Hindy to avoid any Ballot forger shenanigans. And if there are any last minute votes to tie the votes those players should be looked at carefully next round.

November 9, 2014
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Lady Flare

Lady Flare, I had suspected you to be mafia earlier after the mm9 vote, mainly because of his power role claim. But I definitely think you're a townie now.

November 9, 2014
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Ghowilo

Ummm, when did Majora claim he was a power role? hezekiah strongly hinted he was one but I don't remember Majora making the same claim.

November 9, 2014
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Lady Flare

If Ghowilo didn't remind me of a young cadet I fought alongside in the Vietnam War named Black Yoshi, I would definitely suspect him of tripping balls. And also I really strongly believe we shouldn't lynch Hindenburg..... don't do anything drastic, guys................

November 9, 2014
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Speed Bike Pro
 

I would really like another vote on hindenburg because I think it's likely it could end in a tie with the ballot forger.

Also just want to reiterate that I'm not very suspicious of Ghowilo and I'd be a bit more suspicious of hezekiah if anything.

November 9, 2014
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MajorasMask9

I think you guys are wrong about Hindenburg. Just a gut feeling.

November 9, 2014
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chiefsonny
 

I should reiterate that I really, strongly believe that we shouldn't lynch Hindenburg........... There are better choices and with good reason, gang............................

November 9, 2014
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Speed Bike Pro
 

wtf sorry accidentally posted first on my chiefsonny alt whoops

November 9, 2014
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Round is technically over now.

November 9, 2014
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MajorasMask9

You're right! It was Hezekiah. Whoops. Also, I'm not tripping I'm just legitimately crazy.

I did trip on 3.8 grams of mushrooms and 2 hits of acid on Halloween. Was really fun and nice honestly but I think I'm done with drugs, for a while, probably a long while. I just don't have the desire anymore.

November 9, 2014
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Ghowilo

you guys are retarded rip hindy

November 9, 2014
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Damn, so much has happened since the last time I was here...still suspicious of Ghowilo, but since Cas is gone and she was Mafia, we have some more breathing room, so less of a risk if we ended up having mislynched.

November 9, 2014
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Black Yoshi

Just as everyone prepared to beat the living crap out of Hindenburg, a hell of a lot of nothing happened and no one died.

Players
1. white lancer
2. Xhin
3. `Roxas`
4. Castrael
5. Black Yoshi
6. Pirate_Ninja - Townie
7. Lady Flare
8. Helius
9. Lightvayne
10. Hindenburg
11. The Bandit - Martyr
12. Speed Bike Pro
13. MajorasMask9
14. chiefsonny
15. Ghowilo
16. Jo Nathan
17. Chaos Incarnate
18. hezekiah
19. EvilGuy0613

Roles
- Town: Oracle, Sensor, Watcher, Selfless Doctor, Townie x6
- Mafia: Godninja, Interceptor, Ballot Forger, Mafioso x2, Newcomer
- Third-Party: Defense Attorney

Ratio
10 - 6 - 1

24 hours or until all night actions are in.

November 9, 2014
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Apollo Justice

Just as everyone prepared to beat the living crap out of Hindenburg, a hell of a lot of nothing happened and no one died.

Players
1. white lancer
2. Xhin
3. `Roxas`
4. Castrael - Mafioso
5. Black Yoshi
6. Pirate_Ninja - Townie
7. Lady Flare
8. Helius
9. Lightvayne
10. Hindenburg
11. The Bandit - Martyr
12. Speed Bike Pro
13. MajorasMask9
14. chiefsonny
15. Ghowilo
16. Jo Nathan
17. Chaos Incarnate
18. hezekiah
19. EvilGuy0613

Roles
- Town: Oracle, Sensor, Watcher, Selfless Doctor, Townie x6
- Mafia: Godninja, Interceptor, Ballot Forger, Mafioso, Newcomer
- Third-Party: Defense Attorney

Ratio
10 - 5 - 1

November 9, 2014
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Apollo Justice

oh forgot I can't tag replies in the Mafia forum lmao ignore the first night post thx

November 9, 2014
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Apollo Justice

It's Night 2, by the way.

November 9, 2014
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Black Yoshi

BY what would I do without you

November 9, 2014
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Apollo Justice

And for the second night in a row the Sensor gets no data. Yay. (Sarcasm added)

November 9, 2014
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Lady Flare

Well maybe we'll get to see some activity from him now.

To the selfless doctor, who I think is SBP now, i hate you.

November 9, 2014
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Ghowilo

Wait, the selfless doctor works at night, why is Hindenberg not dead?!?

November 9, 2014
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Ghowilo

The votes were tied thanks to the Ballot Forger shenanigans.

November 9, 2014
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Lady Flare

Ballot Forger - During the night round, switches one person's vote during the next day round to a target of their choosing.


As far as I am aware, the ballot forger doesn't have that ability. I haven't seen it specified anywhere in this game that he can do that... If this is the case, the Ballot Forger is overpowered. Especially for this game.

November 9, 2014
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Ghowilo

Oh wait, I read that wrong. I thought he made it such that a guilty players showed up as innocent players...

November 9, 2014
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Ghowilo

I just looked back at the day 1 post...

When the Sensor receives his or her results, this will take the Ballot Forger's forged ballot into consideration. For example, if CtR Black is the Ballot Forger and changes FAW's (FAW being a Townie) ballot to vote for Yeano and Yeano is then lynched, the Sensor results will indicate that FAW (an innocent vote) voted for Yeano.


What is wrong with me?!?

November 9, 2014
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Ghowilo

I don't have all that much to say about this. As it still looks like there's too many possibilities.

ANYWAY, @ the executive hosts this may seem kind of abrupt or out of place but I wanted to throw this out there since I don't know where else to post it.

I was looking through the roles and I couldn't help but notice the the cult looked interesting, and it's a shame that it's suspended.

I wanted to throw out my theory about how I think it should be unsuspended: make a new role called the "Saint" which is pretty much just a plain townie who is immune to the Cult's recruitment. This is because there tends to be a lot more plain townies, and I imagine that one of the problems was that the cult was recruiting other roles too much. The saint can be used to help remedy this as needed. Also, Townie/mafia power roles would be immune to the cult's recruitment.

I think it's fair that plain mafia roles can be recruited, as the mafia could probably take advantage of the chaos better when the cult is in the mix. Plus all they really need is their power roles. Obviously power roles should be selected carefully selected so that it's more balanced out.

Cult wins if it outnumbers the town AND the Mafia is defeated. Third party roles used can also win with the cult.

If I am to host at some point, I would like to bring the cult back. So that is why I'm bringing it up. But I would also like it if someone else brought the cult back based on this.

November 9, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

But then I just realized there is the issue of former mafia telling the rest of the cult who all of the mafia are and completely blowing it just because of that.

Just make the entire mafia immune I suppose.

Anyway, I'll shut up about this now.

November 9, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

My point was that during Night 1 the Ballot Forger changed one of Majora, White Lancer, Ghowilo, or my vote to someone else. This is why I wanted another vote for Hindy.

And you all may want to lynch me for this, but I was prepared to sacrifice him (even if he were a Townie) for some Sensor data. And btw, I'm not the Sensor. I was just trying to help the Town.

November 9, 2014
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Lady Flare

@Chaos Incarnate, I'll address this shortly after the game is over and before signups open :). Feel free to plan out a cult-based game if you'd like (just a side note: most cult-based games don't have a "mafia" in them)

As far as the game goes, I think I'll have more to say depending on what happens during the night.

November 9, 2014
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MajorasMask9

My point was that during Night 1 the Ballot Forger changed one of Majora, White Lancer, Ghowilo, or my vote to someone else. This is why I wanted another vote for Hindy.


Actually I think there are a few more possibilities than that.........

November 9, 2014
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Such as? I miss your input in Mafia, Speed. Do tell.

November 9, 2014
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Lady Flare

One of the votes for Ghowilo/Myself/Castrael could have been swapped to a vote for either me or Ghowilo, putting one of us at 4 votes and tying with Hindenburg.

November 9, 2014
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MajorasMask9

It's quite simple really, my dear! The votes at the end of the round were as follows:

Hindenburg -- 4 votes
MajorasMask9 -- 3 votes
Ghowilo -- 3 votes
Castrael -- 1 vote (committed sudoku anyways)
Not Voting -- 1 vote (a vote for not voting... seems kinda counterproductive LOL)

I'll also provide the names of the people who voted for the top three options just to add a little clarity to make this easier to understand.

Hindenburg -- white lancer, Lady Flare, MajorasMask9, Ghowilo (4)
MajorasMask9 -- Helius, Speed Bike Pro, Hindenburg (3)
Ghowilo -- hezekiah, Black Yoshi, Roxas (3)

What you're saying is that there was a no kill because one of white lancer, you, Majora, or Ghowilo had their vote changed to someone other than Majora or Ghowilo, meaning there would have been a three-way tie at 3 votes each. There are a couple other ways the Ballot Forger could have tied the vote though. Any of the 3 votes for Majora (Helius/me/Hindenburg) could have been switched to Ghowilo and any of the 3 votes for Ghowilo (hezekiah/Black Yoshi/Roxas) could have been switched to Majora, either of which would have created a two-way tie at 4 votes apiece.

Not that narrowing down Ballot Forger targets necessarily leads us anywhere, just thought I'd clarify on your small oversight.

November 9, 2014
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Speed Bike Pro
 

or majora could go to hell that also works

November 9, 2014
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Ok, either way if we had 1 ONE more vote this would have been resolved.

November 9, 2014
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Lady Flare

I don't think Speed is refuting that aspect of the vote.

Also, question AJ: If a person doesn't vote, is a vote put in for them by the Ballot Forger?

November 9, 2014
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`Roxas`

If someone doesn't vote but the Ballot Forger forges their vote, the vote is still put in. Basically, a Ballot Forger's vote is in effect from the very beginning of the day round.

Also, inactivity will be penalized this game. If a player goes 2 rounds (1 day 1 night) beginning from the beginning of this night round to the end of the coming day round, players will be penalized if they do not contribute game-pertinent information.

November 10, 2014
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Apollo Justice

My random vote was possibly worthless? :(

November 10, 2014
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Helius

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