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game 35 mafia thread

Posted March 10, 2015 by hezekiah

Hi Jo Nathan. You're just a sole Mafioso as of right now, but hopefully not for long. Every night you get to try and recruit one of your buddies. If it works, they join you and get a special role: Ballot Forger first, then Hooker, then Ninja, then Mafia Investigator, and finally Assassin.

As for your night kill, you can pick 2 people each time. If they're both mafia, neither will die. If one is, the other will. If neither target is mafia, I'll randomly pick one to die.

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No killing on Night 0 of course, but you can try to recruit one of your teammates at least.

March 10, 2015
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hezekiah

Let's see if Frustro is keen on joining me.

March 10, 2015
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Jo Nathan

You convinced Frustro to become a Ballot Forger. Every night he gets to choose who a person will vote for.

March 11, 2015
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hezekiah

YES

March 11, 2015
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Jo Nathan

YES

March 12, 2015
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Frustro



March 12, 2015
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hezekiah



March 12, 2015
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Frustro



FTFY

March 12, 2015
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hezekiah

You're a good lad, hezekiah. Shame we'll eventually have to overthrow you... ... I clearly don't know how being Mafia works.

So Jo, you've been playing this waaay longer than me. What do you think the odds of chiefsonny being Mafia-in-waiting are? Otherwise, I could call him out on voting for CtR Black completely out of the blue like that.

March 12, 2015
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Frustro

Well I know the key red flag that chief might be guilty is when he goes to great lengths to defend another user, especially if it goes against his philosophy (e.g. defending someone who's inactive when usually he condemns anyone who's inactive). Problem is, he doesn't know who his teammates are so I can't use that to deduce his alignment... it will be tricky.

That being said, he did kind of grab my attention but I don't recall why. I'll review the thread again when I'm not at work (and unfortunately I'm stuck here waaaaaaay late tonight... I think I'll have gotten 60 hours in by the end of the week, fuck this job)

March 12, 2015
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Jo Nathan

Aaahh that's gotta be rough, my condolences :X But eeyyy tgif~

Meanwhile, I'm curious of Agis's contradiction. One moment he jumps on the intial train voting to lynch SBP, disappears, then pops back in on the third(?) day to say "whoop nvm" and refuses to go with the escalating consensus to kill CtR, instead picking at random for... whatever reason. Either way, direct me, o' uncrowned Godfather.

March 13, 2015
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Frustro

If we elect two people to kill and they both are Mafia-in-waiting, neither will die and then we'll know without a doubt that we have two people we can recruit (while forgoing a kill). With that said, I wonder if we should try picking two people we think are the most likely to be guilty.

I would definitely not be opposed to trying to recruit chief.

Not sure what to make of Agis as I think this is his first game and may just be doing "beginner" sort of stuff? He's definitely worth paying attention to, though.

Idk just kinda using this post as a scratchpad of sorts.

March 13, 2015
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Jo Nathan

Ooh, that'd be really ideal, we can give that a try. Going off that idea, I'd say we should pick out the ones we suspect being Mafia from the power players. If one or both isn't, then we've at least eliminated a substantial threat on the Townie side.

In any case, the downside of choosing suspected Mafia (besides forgoing a night kill) is that we'd potentially be killing off Townies that could later on be set up for a lynching. But I think the pro's certainly outweigh the con's here.

So hez, Jo gets to try to recruit Mafia, ontop of us picking two players for a kill, right? Meaning the best outcome for rooting out the Mafia-in-waiting would be Jo recruits a one, ontop of the two people voted for a night kill live?

March 14, 2015
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Frustro

Jo gets to try to recruit Mafia, ontop of us picking two players for a kill, right?

Right.

March 14, 2015
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hezekiah

Who do you want to recruit, Jo Nathan?

Who do you want to kill?

March 14, 2015
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hezekiah

I'm going to try to review what has transpired thus far so I can make a more educated guess, but I am leaning toward recruiting chiefsonny pending further discussion with Frustro (but if I don't make it back before the end of the round then chief is my final answer).

The people who should probably die sooner than later would include lancer, Dooku and The Bandit. I would probably vote for lancer and The Bandit.

Thoughts?

March 14, 2015
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Jo Nathan

chief might've kickstarted CtR's lynching, but maybe it was totally coincidental, so sure. And I don't know much about how effective a player Bandit is, but I'm gun-ho for either recruiting or getting rid of lancer, Dooku, and Xhin asap. Let's go with lancer and Bandit then?

March 15, 2015
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Frustro

I'm confident that Bandit and lancer are the right choices for death. Bandit is a strong player and would be a threat if he's a townie, although I'm hoping he turns out to be a Mafia-in-waiting... And lancer is always a force to be reckoned with - he knows what questions to ask and how to put people on the spot.

So I'm voting to target Bandit and lancer.

Attempting to recruit chief.

Please forgive me if this doesn't work out. (ashamed)

March 15, 2015
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Jo Nathan

There will be no forgiveness. Only death for us all. (duck)

March 15, 2015
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Frustro

Oh. Sorry. Forgot that Frustro has a night action too...

Frustro, whose vote would you like to alter in the coming day round? Indicate both the person whose vote you want to change and who you want them to vote for.

March 15, 2015
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hezekiah

I thought I did that during the next day round so my fault...

Aahhh I'll probably regret this. How about changing Ghowilo's vote for Xhin.

March 15, 2015
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Frustro

Did my message vanish..? Changing Ghowilo's vote for Xhin, if it did.

March 15, 2015
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Frustro

Turns out chief wasn't a mafia role, so he's still whatever he is.

You guys killed white lancer the Double-Voter.

March 15, 2015
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hezekiah

'Eeeyyy~ So now would the next step be to target Bandit and chief, and try to recruit Dooku?

March 16, 2015
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Frustro

Sounds good to me.

  • Chief - sharp, a threat, people seem to jump on his bandwagons
  • Bandit - sharp, a threat (if townie); also if we target him again and chief dies, perhaps there is a chance Bandit is not dying because he's a Mafia-in-waiting
  • Dooku - well to be honest I am wondering about several of the people who jumped on the bandwagon because why would they do that when we usually just do the DONK (best acronym ever)?

    Of course, maybe something will come up during the day.

    • March 16, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    I'm guessing the reasoning for several people was to play aggressively this game. But I wouldn't doubt some of the in-waiting's jumped aboard because the vote for CtR seemed so random... I'm attributing the fact he was Mafia to sheer dumb luck.

    And that's my take on it. If Bandit survives the night again, you can try recruiting him the next night? Or you can try with Bandit tonight and put chief and Dooku on the chopping block. I just remember Dooku tending to take a strong leadership role for the Town last I played; not sure what his style is now, though. For now, I'm hoping he'll be there this round to lead a lynch against Xhin.

    Anyway once again gonna follow your lead on this.

    March 16, 2015
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    Frustro

    Boy, I sure know how to draw suspicion toward myself. {duck}

    March 17, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    Well THAT could've gone better~! Which leaves us in a compromised suspicion. Ghowilo's almost assuredly going to go down this round, but the issue is going to be the next round. If Dooku doesn't die tonight, I'm betting he'll persist the issue with you next round. If he does, someone's bound to point out the coincidence that he was silenced, but I'm wondering if some reverse psychology could be applied (i.e. "They killed him to make Jo look more guilty").

    March 17, 2015
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    Frustro

    That is a possibility, but I am inclined to believe this crowd would not be fooled by it.

    On the other hand, we could try recruiting him as planned in case he is Mafia. :O

    My analysis of the situation could be compromised because of the fact that I am Mafia, but I feel like I shouldn't have come across as that suspicious - I feel like if I were townie, I would have done the same thing. Most everyone is being quiet and not saying much of anything of importance and people are just voting for Ghowilo because The Bandit is voting for Ghowilo and I just wanted to start some kind of discussion. The past... I dunno, five to seven Mafia games have been lacking in user participation compared to the games when you and I first started playing, and it's a bit frustrating.

    So I guess we'll have to decide whether we want to try to kill him or recruit him. Both attempted actions have a chance of failing.

    March 17, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    How about trying to recruit him tonight? Also, I'd suggest throwing your lot in with chief and Xhin and voting for Helius. You cast suspicion on him in your one post, and we already know chief is a townie. If Ghowilo isn't Mafia and Helius ends up revealed as one later, you'll probably be back under the radar.

    March 17, 2015
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    Frustro

    Collectively nominate 2 people to try and kill.

    Jo, select someone to try and recruit.

    Frustro, select a vote to change.

    March 17, 2015
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    hezekiah

    Sooo on with the plan? And suggestions on whose vote to forge would be welcome. :X

    March 18, 2015
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    Frustro

    Yeah, I think trying to recruit Dooku would be best at this point.

    I would definitely like to get rid of The Bandit if he's innocent (but I'm still hoping he's guilty). Chief will probably stick to his guns and try to get Helius lynched so I'm less inclined to vote to kill him tonight. Xhin is also gunning for Helius but he's more likely to change his mind than chief so we may not be able to count on him to stick with it; also I think he might be the governor. So my tentative kill nominees are The Bandit and Xhin.

    If there's a chance Helius might get lynched next round, we could change his vote so that he's voting for himself which would make it difficult for him to save himself. Of course we could also change Dooku's vote in case we don't recruit him and he decides to try to go after me, but then again he seemed intent on jumping on the Ghowilo bandwagon so I'm not sure.

    So those are my ideas but I'm all ears if you've got some ideas yourself.

    March 18, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    You don't think Helius is Mafia then? Or that he'll be done for next round regardless? But either way I'll go with this plan, put Xhin and Bandit up for the kill. And if Dooku isn't recruited, I'm wanting him gone soon. Also I want to keep an eye on Agis. He might be new to this game, but he's an oldie from original GT and no idiot. Him repeatedly popping in to make random votes is leaving me edgy.

    I'd like to change Helius's vote to Helius.

    March 18, 2015
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    Frustro

    Current targets:

    Change Helius's vote to Helius
    Recruit Count Dooku

    March 18, 2015
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    hezekiah

    Honestly I don't know what to make of Helius and I don't see why others are wanting to vote him off, but of course that could be because I suck at reading people. {:3}

    March 18, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    I definitely agree with getting rid of Dooku as soon as possible if he doesn't join us. And what you say of Agis makes sense, so... yeah, we might consider looking into it further next round.

    Even though I've played more games with these guys, I think your judgement may be better than mine and I will trust it if you feel it's best to change your action to something else.

    Recruit Dooku, kill Bandit or Xhin <-- I'm sticking with these

    March 18, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    Supposedly it's because he isn't playing as smart as he usually does, but I think you'd be a way better judge of that than I could. Like I said, you're way more experienced in this game so I'm following your lead lol.

    Still keeping Helius's vote for Helius #yah

    March 18, 2015
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    Frustro

    Turns out Dooku wasn't a mafia role, so he's still whatever he is.

    You guys killed The Bandit the Townie.

    March 18, 2015
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    hezekiah

    Blast

    March 20, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    I'm seeing what you meant about lack of user participation...

    I so badly want to make up some cockamamie reason to join Lady Flare's vote to have chief lynched at the last minute, but that'd put me on the spot, and the apparently attentive Governor could pardon him ontop of that. If nothing else, I suppose an inactive round will just give us another free kill...

    March 20, 2015
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    Frustro

    Collectively nominate 2 people to try and kill.

    Jo, select someone to try and recruit.

    Frustro, select a vote to change.

    March 20, 2015
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    hezekiah

    Alrighty, well I'm thinking Dooku and chiefsonny should be nominated for the kill? No idea on who to recruit, though. I could go with making Helius's vote for Helius again, I guess?

    March 20, 2015
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    Frustro

    Agreed about Dooku and chiefsonny as they both are sharp cookies.

    Yeah, not gonna lie, I'm not really sure whose vote should be switched because people's activity is very sporadic and there isn't a whole lot to go by from this last round. Maybe change someone's vote to Black Yoshi just in case FAW decides to pursue him because it kind of looked like she was growing suspicious of him at the end.

    Alternately, if Lady Flare might try to go after chief tomorrow we could try changing someone's vote for him and pick someone else to nominate for death tonight.

    I actually would like to try recruiting FAW.

    March 21, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    I'll leave your action up to you because your guess is as good as mine, I'm afraid. Also it's your action and I don't want to come off as a bossy Betsy. {:3}

    March 21, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    I'm somehow doubting Lady Flare will follow through with that vote against chief, so I'd say let's keep chief and Dooku on the chopping block. And if FAW is Mafia Immah laugh. Yeh try recruiting her~ So then if that's the case...

    Changing Black Yoshi's vote to Black Yoshi.

    March 21, 2015
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    Frustro

    Turns out FAW wasn't a mafia role, so she's still whatever she is.

    You guys killed chiefsonny the Townie.

    March 23, 2015
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    hezekiah

    Dang, I sure am bad at guessing.

    March 23, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    Collectively nominate 2 people to try and kill.

    Jo, select someone to try and recruit.

    Frustro, select a vote to change.

    March 24, 2015
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    hezekiah

    Ok so let's look at our remaining players for a moment, minus us two:

    Speed Bike Pro
    Xhin
    Ghowilo
    Black Yoshi
    Chaos Incarnate
    Female Alpha Wolf - innocent
    Lady Flare
    Lightvayne
    Helius
    EvilGuy0613
    Agis_wild elf
    Count Dooku - innocent

    Three of the above people are waiting to join us.

    The problem with trying to pinpoint who they are is that they're basically working independently which makes it easy for them to blend in. I'm wondering if anyone has been trying to leave subtle hints that I've just been too thick to pick up on... (Speed jokingly said he couldn't wait to be recruited at the beginning of the game. Could be a trick to get us to waste a recruit attempt or it could be a blatant hint. ARG)

    Kind of wondering about Agis, as you had pointed him out previously. Also wondering if Black Yoshi could be one of us because something about him strikes me as suspicious... although my intuition sucks so I'm not sure what to make of it.

    It's also a problem that too many vanilla townies are getting killed because a mass role claim may kill us. Although...

    Hezekiah, do sleepwalkers know that they are sleepwalkers?

    March 24, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    No. As far as everyone knows, they're just Townies. Even after death, they're just Townies.

    March 24, 2015
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    hezekiah

    Well that round went faster than I thought.

    And then there's whatever the heck the psychiatrist is for. I would say go with Black Yoshi if your suspicions are on him, since you've been consistently playing and have a better feel of him. Meanwhile I could get suspicions directed at FAW next round since she's been setting herself up for looking guilty. If that'll be my move I can elect for her vote to be against herself?

    March 25, 2015
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    Frustro

    Sounds good to me.

    Try to recruit Black Yoshi.

    Nominate Dooku and Xhin to die.

    March 25, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    Current targets:

    FAW votes for FAW
    Recruit BY
    Kill Dooku or Xhin (haven't heard Frustro's votes yet)

    March 25, 2015
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    hezekiah

    Oh yeah voting for Dooku and Xhin.

    March 25, 2015
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    Frustro

    Turns out BY wasn't a mafia role, so he's still whatever she is.

    You guys killed Xhin the Insomniac.

    March 25, 2015
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    hezekiah

    Lmao God. Well I think Immah take a risk and throw a bit of accusation at Dooku. It'll probably blow up in my face, but I can't pass up the moment going on.

    March 26, 2015
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    Frustro

    Agis why

    March 26, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    If Ghowilo is saved by the governor again I am going to consider the possibility that Ghowilo is the governor.

    March 26, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    gdi. WELP abandoning that venture I guess. And yeah, at first I thought the Governor was Xhin, but, well. In that case, should we steer for another effort against Ghowilo and hope he prevents another lynch against him, giving us another freebie night kill? Things got too hectic real fast for me to point at FAW, so.

    March 26, 2015
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    Frustro

    I think going with the crowd will help us blend in with it at this point so yeah.

    I'm continuing to struggle with trying to figure out who might be Mafia-in-waiting. And with a lot weighing on my mind IRL it's difficult for me to sit down and analyze things at length.

    March 26, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    Hey no worries, you handle what you need to. :X

    I'm thinking at least some are the ones who've stayed pretty quiet, up until they were called out on it. I'll look back through later tonight for ones that really pop out at me.

    March 26, 2015
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    Frustro

    Collectively nominate 2 people to try and kill.

    Jo, select someone to try and recruit.

    Frustro, select a vote to change.

    March 27, 2015
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    hezekiah

    I really gotta think that Ghowilo is very likely the governor at this point so I'd vote to kill him and... Dooku again, I think.

    Before I even tentatively suggest recruiting anyone in particular I am going to try to sit down for a few minutes tonight and go through some posts and look for any hints.

    March 27, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    'Eeey another free kill night. Alright so Ghowilo's the Governor, and Dooku's getting more aggressive the longer the game draws out. I think most likely someone will point out how this had become pretty obvious, and cast suspicion on people who voted for him. What I thought maybe we could do is nominate Dooku and someone who seems pretty likely to be Mafia in the hopes this will guarantee the Count's death.

    And maybe also you could investigate one of said people who voted for Ghowilo - maybe Lightvayne, since they started the bandwagon? That way if they're Mafia, great. If they're a Townie, the fact that they were the first to vote against Ghowilo despite FAW calling them out on doing so with the risk of the Governor cancelling it again can be used against them, and that could win us the game. If not them, then maybe accuse Black Yoshi, for so quickly joining in despite aforementioned risk?

    March 27, 2015
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    Frustro

    That sounds like a great idea. Who to nominate for a better chance of killing Dooku... that's a tough one. I'm wondering if it may make sense to pick Lady Flare in case Dooku's gut feeling about her is right and she's guilty, but then we actually risk killing her which would be bad because Dooku will still be alive and she won't be around to distract him with his suspicions toward her.

    I also think Helius and EvilGuy might be worth considering as well.

    Just so some votes are in, in case we don't get a chance to discuss things further today, I will nominate Dooku and Helius for elimination and I will attempt to recruit Lightvayne.

    March 28, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    Current targets:

    Kill Dooku or Helius

    Recruit Lightvayne

    No choice made about ballot forging yet

    March 28, 2015
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    hezekiah

    Sounds like a plan! I wish I knew the results for Lightvayne first, but since not, I'll change Black Yoshi's vote to Black Yoshi.

    March 28, 2015
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    Frustro

    Turns out Lightvayne wasn't a mafia role, so he's still whatever he is.

    You guys killed nobody.

    March 28, 2015
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    hezekiah

    THE DOC PROTECTED DOOKU? WELL BAWLZ. So that also means Helius is Mafia. Alright then... still go after Lightvayne, I guess, and hope that works.

    March 28, 2015
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    Frustro

    Hmmm.....

    Question for hez: How does the order of operations work with regards to a doctor save? For example, if we pick two townies, one of them is selected at random, and that just so happens to be the person that the doctor targets, would that result in a no-kill?

    Or would the other person die in that event?

    March 28, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    Your target is determined from among the town-sided possibilities, then the Doctor might save that person. Your first theory is correct, Jo.

    March 28, 2015
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    hezekiah

    Ahh, so that means Helius could still be town-sided.

    March 28, 2015
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    Frustro

    Mmmbut I think that defense for Lightvayne was him thinking Light is Mafia, and is trying to cover for him. On the plus side, once Light's lynched (and hopefully Helius is recruited), perhaps next round we can sway the votes for FAW since she led the charge. But also some are starting to cast suspicion on you, so... there's that.

    March 29, 2015
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    Frustro

    Yeah, they feel it would be suspicious for people to vote no-kill on Day 1 but I can't say I see the logic in that. No matter how you look at it, you're more likely to hit an innocent if you randomly pick a target on Day 1.

    March 30, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    I'm torn between responding to FAW or just staying silent. I fear that either one will cast further suspicion on me. :|

    March 30, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    Fingers crossed Light is innocent.

    March 30, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    Well.. you investigated him and he wasn't Mafia, so..? But yeah, I'd say best to stay silent and wait to see how people will react in the next round. With luck, people won't take kindly to FAW being the main rallyer against Light, and her open suspicions of you will be disregarded in the process.

    March 30, 2015
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    Frustro

    Collectively nominate 2 people to try and kill.

    Jo, select someone to try and recruit.

    Frustro, select a vote to change.

    March 30, 2015
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    hezekiah

    IIII was really hoping Light was a power role. It's gonna end up like you said with a role call. I don't know if we should go after Dooku again if either the Doctor or Drunk (if he role-blocked you) saved him and intend to do it again. Or Ghowilo for that matter, if they think we'll try to kill him to get rid of the Governor.

    I'm feeling pretty good about Helius being Mafia. It's too coincidental that you had high suspicions of him, the night kill being blocked, and his bad defense for Lightvayne. I could maybe try hoping there'll be backlash against FAW for leading the charge against Lightvayne and change her vote to herself. Thoughts?

    March 30, 2015
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    Frustro

    Well.. you investigated him and he wasn't Mafia, so..?


    Ah yes, I forgot about that. Most embarrassing.

    Yes, I think what you said about FAW makes sense and it seems like our best shot at someone innocent getting lynched next round.

    Definitely going to try recruiting Helius.

    But who to kill... Hmm...

    March 30, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    I mentioned this to the Drunk earlier, guess I should've made it a blanket announcement instead... the Drunk can't block your night kill, only your individual actions.

    March 30, 2015
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    hezekiah

    OH. Then yeah, probably the good doctor saved Dooku. Anyway, perhaps one should be Black Yoshi? I doubt the Doctor would think to save him. But the second person I don't know. Ideally it would be Dooku, but they could be saved again, unless the doctor believes we'll avoid him for that very reason. But THEY don't know that WE know that THEY know that WE know that THEY know that WE know...

    March 30, 2015
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    Frustro



    March 30, 2015
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    hezekiah

    I think the Distracted Doctor can't target the same person twice in a row, so if the Doctor saved Dooku previously, then we can try killing him again.

    Unless of course Helius is innocent and he was actually our target and was saved by the Doctor.... which I sure as hell hope is not what happened. {duck}

    March 30, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    That one I did answer in the main thread, back when I posted Night 0: the DD can target the same person again if they saved them last night.

    March 30, 2015
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    hezekiah

    JDFIDFUILDFJIL crap I'm just not with it this game.

    March 30, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    Black Yoshi and...... Speed? I am leaning toward Speed being innocent but I could be terribly wrong but that shouldn't be a problem as long as we don't nominate two guilty players.

    March 30, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    ((Oh God my teammate is having a breakdown I'M GONNA HAVE TO PUT HIM DOWN-!!)) .. It's okayyy Jooo~

    Yeah those two sound good to me. I wanna keep the ones that would be most easily influenced to have their votes swayed to FAW. Annnd I hope Helius is Mafia so that we can lay low while he can safely lead a bandwagon against FAW, since he was essentially the only one who objected to Light's lynching (again, probably because he thought he was defending a fellow Mafia). I doubt either of us should because I initially accused Light, and you have eyes starting to shift your way.

    I'm changing Female Alpha Wolf's vote to Female Alpha Wolf.

    March 30, 2015
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    Frustro

    Current night actions:

    Kill BY or SBP
    Recruit Helius
    Make FAW vote for FAW

    March 30, 2015
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    hezekiah

    I'm good with this.

    March 30, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    Ye.

    March 31, 2015
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    Frustro

    You convinced Helius to become a Hooker. Every night he gets to keep someone occupied, preventing them from taking any night action they may have.

    You guys killed Black Yoshi the Townie.

    March 31, 2015
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    hezekiah

    since among other possibilities the mafia thread may end up lynching a hidden teammate.


    wat

    March 31, 2015
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    Frustro

    What I meant to say was why wouldn't mafia kill Gho in the night if they knew he was Governor which would be a good defense. Took you lot long enough

    March 31, 2015
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    Helius

    wat


    Obviously you know that FAW isn't mafia (because of the failed recruitment), but in general it's possible for the three of you to unwittingly assist in the lynch of a teammate.

    March 31, 2015
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    hezekiah

    Sorry it took so long to recruit you Helius. Glad to have you on board.

    March 31, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    So..... assuming we get an innocent lynched, we will win if we successfully recruit a new member and don't have our kill blocked by the doctor in Night 7.

    March 31, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    Unknown:
    Speed Bike Pro
    Chaos Incarnate
    Lady Flare
    EvilGuy0613
    Agis_wild elf


    Mafia (confirmed): 3 of 5
    Helius
    Jo Nathan
    Frustro

    Recruited (failed – safe to lynch) 2 or 3 of 6
    Count Dooku (Doctor save – if not doctor)
    FAW

    Town Roles:
    Ghowilo (Governor)

    My gift to you if I suddenly get lynched. So people who are safe to lynch during the night would be the latter three.

    It would be better to lynch known failed recruits, recruit, lynch known failed recruits... that way you're not running into lynching an unsuspecting teammates. I honestly don't know why you weren't playing like this.

    April 1, 2015
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    Helius

    Probably why I should never be Mafia... I play it well up until Bandit uses super powers and figures me out.

    April 1, 2015
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    Helius

    Collectively nominate 2 people to try and kill.

    Jo, select someone to try and recruit.

    Frustro, select a vote to change.

    Helius, select someone to roleblock.

    April 2, 2015
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    hezekiah

    Damn it

    April 2, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    Wah wah waaahhhh~. Well then, we have one more Mafia-in-waiting to find. I think we should put Dooku back on the vote, and probably Ghowilo, just to try to eliminate power roles. The only worry is these are both pretty obvious nominations and the Doctor is still in.

    I'm not sure who to try to accuse next round. Lady Flare's hilariously accurate comment will probably be disregarded, so maybe Jo can slip past suspicion again. Perhaps point out EvilGuy or Chaos Incarnate's lack of activity and jumping in just to vote? On that line of thought, I believe one of them is the last Mafia-in-waiting... or SBP's been pulling a devil in plain sight and I'll cry.

    April 2, 2015
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    Frustro

    I'd be in favor of killing Gho or FAW.

    Roleblock Dooku?

    Recruit Speed?

    April 2, 2015
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    Helius

    Yeah, I feel like I should try recruiting Speed because if I don't and it turns out to be one of those "many a truth is said in jest" situations I would kick myself. Otherwise, it's a crapshoot because I've got nothing to go off of regarding the rest of those guys. Also depending on whether or not Speed becomes one of us, I would be leery of trying to vote off one of the others in case they're the last Mafia-in-waiting.

    I agree with role blocking Dooku.

    As Frustro said, ideally we would get rid of Dooku but (assuming he's not the doctor and hence the doctor would not be blocked) he could be saved again. Ghowilo and FAW are good choices. If FAW is the one who dies, though, I'm sure all eyes will be on me. Frustro does not seem to have gotten any suspicion from anyone at all so I would be open to the idea of him leading a charge against me to further cement the plausibility of his innocence.

    April 2, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    I'LL NEVER LET GO, JO. But if you're absolutely sure about this, I could do that if there's any mention of suspicion towards you. I just really hope that won't be necessary.

    I'll be a broken record and say again the sooner Dooku's gone the better, but we can go along with this plan. If no one's saved tonight that at least gives further notion that Dooku's the doctor and we can try getting rid of him the next night. So now the question is whose vote am I changing?

    April 2, 2015
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    Frustro

    I am thinking perhaps Agis should have his vote changed in case votes start piling on me although I think if that does happen then changing a single vote won't be enough to save me anyway.

    Recruiting Speed

    Voting to kill Ghowilo or Female Alpha Wolf

    April 3, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    Alrighty, changing Agis's vote to Agis.

    April 3, 2015
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    Frustro

    Turns out Speed wasn't a mafia role, so he's still whatever he is.

    You guys killed Female Alpha Wolf the Townie.

    April 3, 2015
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    hezekiah

    If anyone decides to roleclaim, we're finished. And I'm sorry, Jo. :C

    April 3, 2015
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    Frustro

    OOPS~

    So, wait... Couldn't all three of us have just voted against Dooku this round, changed Dooku's vote for himself, and convinced the last Mafia-in-waiting to join us? That would be one vote short of ending the round, but the Town would only have 4 people tops to counter it. Then night kill and BAM, won. I mean... we could do that next round, if either Jo gets replaced or we recruit the last waiting one, right?

    April 3, 2015
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    Frustro

    That sounds like a good plan actually.

    Is it too late to do that with Agis?

    April 4, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    I... guess it's possible Agis is the mafia-in-waiting though. :| Maybe best to wait until the next round.

    April 4, 2015
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    Jo Nathan

    Lol yeah, that can be your final wish we fulfill. I've thought it over and I think it's a pretty solid plan, especially when we're in such danger of losing to a roleclaim. The only flaws I can foresee are if I'm roleblocked by the Drunk (doubtful), or if I cry "MAFIA, ASSEMBLLLEEE!!!" and somehow one isn't there to join in the vote. Even then it'd be a deadlock, and then we'd just night kill and win that way. Plus, even if we don't find the last Mafia-in-waiting in the night round, they can reveal themselves and jump in on the lynch anyway. I'm just sad I didn't think of this before you were put on the chopping block.

    April 4, 2015
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    Frustro

    ... OH WAIT HEY YEAH the round doesn't end til the 5th~! OKAY SO JO DOESN'T HAVE TO DIE WE COULD DO THAT THIS ROUND. We all just vote for Agis, hopefully the last mafia-in-waiting jumps in on it. Even if they don't, that's still, at worst, a 4-4 vote, nobody dies and we got a free night kill. That, or Ghowilo will probably block the lynching, but we still do the night kill.



    April 4, 2015
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    Frustro

    Collectively nominate 2 people to try and kill.

    Frustro, select someone to try and recruit.

    Frustro, select a vote to change.

    Helius, select someone to roleblock.

    April 4, 2015
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    hezekiah

    Why, Helius.

    April 4, 2015
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    Frustro

    It was a poor idea. We have to have 1 townie to vote with us.

    Role block Dooku.

    Kill Gho or Speed

    Recruit Agis?

    April 5, 2015
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    Helius

    Suuuurrre~

    Try to recruit Agis.

    Kill Ghowilo or Speed.

    Change Helius's vote to Helius.

    April 5, 2015
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    Frustro

    Forgot to mention it when the night started so I'll let it go this time, but the Hooker typically isn't allowed to target the same person twice in a row...

    Turns out Agis wasn't a mafia role, so he's still whatever he is.

    You guys killed Ghowilo the Governor.

    April 5, 2015
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    hezekiah

    Jo Nathan had the votes against him already. You're not going to change the tide that late in the game for him. Though I do agree with changing my vote for me. That's going to be a wasted effort and may ultimately cost us the game.

    If your plan had failed (due to the final mafia member being late like I was), all you had succeeded in doing is exposing all of the Mafia members to the town. They still have the numbers after all.

    April 5, 2015
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    Helius

    *don't

    April 5, 2015
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    Helius

    Alright, lemme try breaking this down even further.

    If the final Mafia member hadn't responded, that still would have been, at worst, a 4-4 vote, due to me changing Agis's vote to himself. Ghow, SBP, Dooku, and let's assume EvilGuy, vs Agis, Jo, you, and me. Tie votes mean no kill. Or, the more likely event, Ghowilo would null the votes. Same conclusion, same advantage of us having a night free to even our numbers and, with a bit of luck, recruit the last Mafia, and hence win the game.

    Even if BOTH the kill didn't go through AND we didn't recruit the last one, we simply rinse and repeat in the next round. The only contingency I could have forseen was the Town Drunk roleblocking me in this next round, but this outcome would have to be relying upon the blocked kill and no recruiting, a 25% chance of picking me amongst us, and the Town being unified and active - to which EvilGuy and Chaos Incarnate have both been not.

    This plan had that one unlikely flaw, but was, in my eyes, our only chance of winning. Because there's only one vanilla Townie left, and all any one person has to say to guarantee the (now already very likely) win for the Town is "roleclaim."

    Mostly though, I'm disappointed in your lack of consulting with us at all before going ahead and killing Jo. Criticizing us and commandeering the thread as soon as you were recruited certainly didn't help matters.

    April 5, 2015
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    Frustro

    Es la vida.

    April 6, 2015
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    Helius

    Nominate 2 people to try and kill.

    Select someone to try and recruit.

    Select a vote to change.

    April 6, 2015
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    hezekiah

    Before I do that, how many rounds must a player be inactive in this game to be host-killed?

    April 7, 2015
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    Frustro

    If Chaos doesn't post during this coming day round (assuming you don't kill him tonight), he'll be hostkilled.

    April 7, 2015
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    hezekiah

    Fingers crossed~! Let's hope I managed to get the good doctor to protect me tonight.. and that I don't hit the last Townie. So, juuust to make sure of Chaos's innocence...

    Nominating Count Dooku and EvilGuy0613 for the night kill.

    Recruiting Chaos Incarnate

    Changing Agis_wild elf's vote to EvilGuy0613

    April 7, 2015
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    Frustro

    Turns out Chaos wasn't a mafia role, so he's still whatever he is.

    You killed EvilGuy0613 the Townie.

    April 7, 2015
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    hezekiah

    ....... That's..... not..... but I... wha...

    WHAT SICK TWIST DID YOU PUT UPON THIS GAME, HEZEKIAH?!?!

    April 7, 2015
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    Frustro

    wat

    April 7, 2015
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    hezekiah

    Oh for fuck's sake. Now I see what confused you.

    Um...

    Count Dooku is now a Ninja. How the hell did I neglect to process his recruitment. Fuck me. Guess the mafia's getting winning points regardless of how the game turns out...

    April 7, 2015
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    hezekiah

    ....... OKAAAYYY WELL THEN~~~

    April 7, 2015
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    Frustro

    I was such a good Ninja you didn't even realize I was a Ninja?

    Uh... sup guys? Sorry for causing so much trouble.

    April 7, 2015
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    Count Dooku

    So I assume Agis can vote for anyone he wants to, since the person we swapped his vote to is dead?

    April 7, 2015
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    Count Dooku

    Hey Dookuuu, sorry for trying to kill you... several times. Sure does make sense now why you were so lucky avoiding it.

    And that's what I'm wondering. Either way, Chaos Incarnate's setting himself up for the lynch. Doubtful that it will, but if worse comes to worse, I can use Helius's confession to frame him as the Ballot Forger, since he never voted for Jo and him not being hostkilled could be seen as him being active only in the Mafia thread until hez called him out?

    April 7, 2015
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    Frustro

    If the Ballot Forger makes someone vote for the player who dies that night, that player will be Not Voting.

    April 7, 2015
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    hezekiah

    If I understand you properly, the town literally can't win.

    April 7, 2015
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    Count Dooku

    Agis can't vote, and the other two can only vote for me and Frustro. Obviously me and Frusto won't vote for ourselves.

    Tonight we try to kill. Maybe the doctor stops us, maybe he doesn't.

    If he stops us, we also set someone to vote for a confirmed innocent. Tomorrow we pile onto said person and boom, game over?

    April 7, 2015
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    Count Dooku

    ... Yeah this game's already done then. Go ahead and vote against Chaos, see if anyone follows suit to end it this round?

    April 7, 2015
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    Frustro

    A bit worried that doing so would make me look guilty. Especially since I just gave a speech about the perils of voting.

    April 8, 2015
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    Count Dooku

    Yeah I'll go ahead and do that. Like before, the only worry for being direct about things is if there's a tie, the Doctor protects our target, and the Town Drunk roleblocks me. Really small risk, but if it can be avoided then 'eeeyy.

    April 8, 2015
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    Frustro

    Oh now they decide to roleclaim. III could wait til Chaos says his role and then try to claim the same one? Don't know how successful that would be throwing them off. Or we can just go with the original plan. (chew)

    April 8, 2015
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    Frustro

    Best thing to do is sow confusion. If they roleclaim, counterclaim. Hell, maybe even be the first to claim the role.

    April 8, 2015
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    Count Dooku

    But yeah a roleclaim a few rounds ago would have pretty much ended it for us. Surprised they went this long before considering it.

    April 8, 2015
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    Count Dooku

    ^ That's what I've been so worried about, so I guess I should be thankful it took this long. It might be safest to wait for at least one other person to roleclaim before jumping to try to nab Chaos's role before he does. But not like there's much to lose otherwise.

    April 8, 2015
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    Frustro

    Decided to go ahead and claim Psych. Might confuse them a bit.

    April 8, 2015
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    Count Dooku

    Considering Agis is swinging from the chandelier, I think the confusion's done been settled in. (duck)

    Yeah I'll just go ahead and jump in on this, too.

    April 8, 2015
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    Frustro

    Good luck! I'll check in tomorrow.

    Worth noting, it may be a bad idea to claim town drunk. That'll probably just give the real town drunk a reason to roleblock you.

    If you claim DD, you can make up a list of people you protected easy enough. Worst case the 'real' DD doesn't protect you... but since nothing can night kill us that's no loss.

    April 8, 2015
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    Count Dooku

    Now let's blow this popsicle stand

    April 8, 2015
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    Frustro

    Dibs on Speed.

    April 8, 2015
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    Count Dooku

    Great job on that post though. Very convincing.

    April 8, 2015
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    Count Dooku

    Lol no worries. So you vote for Chaos, maybe have some back and forth with SBP til hez comes, and we win?

    April 8, 2015
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    Frustro

    It's already over. Speed voted for Chaos based on your post, I gave it the third vote. Round should end when the host sees!

    April 8, 2015
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    Count Dooku

    'EEEY~! Good game. Sorry you couldn't be here earlier to get in on more of the fun, but really worked out it looks like.

    April 8, 2015
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    Frustro

    Yeah, no worries. Hope I didn't make things too difficult for ya'll. Saw my name came up a lot in this thread :P

    April 8, 2015
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    Count Dooku

    ... Consider it a compliment? :'D

    Is the round still ending or is it going to continue now that SBP changed his vote?

    April 8, 2015
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    Frustro

    I doubt Hezekiah will change the rules late game. Probably just hasn't had a chance to see that its over.

    April 8, 2015
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    Count Dooku

    This thread is locked