Sorry I didn't appear in Night 0, I didn't realize it had started.

*walks away whistling unwarily*

He's mafia! Get him!

Also d1nk is inevitable.

We can't afford a d1nk this game...

Agreed.

Oh hell no mother fu***r

What is a d1nk? Is that some sort of sexual innuendo?

Hello everybody :) been thinking about some strategies for this game, I'll post them when I finalize some ideas of what we can do.

@Feral: Day 1 No-Kill.

@Thunder: Good to have you back! Hope you've been well. :)

Also, since the Cop's results are reversed, we're actually probably better off just not having the Psychiatrist attempt to cure him at all. If/when they eventually reveal, we can just switch the results they were given without worrying about when they might have been cured along the line.

Aside from that, the Doctor not being able to protect the same person twice in a row is going to make the game difficult--we can't have the Hawkeye or the Cop reveal themselves without getting killed pretty quickly. We'd have one night where they were safe, but no more after that, so those power roles are going to have to choose their spots carefully. I imagine we probably can't wait too long if we think we're likely to lose two players a turn, and any 'Innocent' verdict (since the Cop is insane) should be enough to come forward because of the synergy between the Spotter and Sniper. The other thing is that the Cop can only catch two out of the three Mafia members, so getting just one of them and breaking up that combo should be good enough.

Also, @Speed: Will we be told if the Ditto takes up someone's role? Or will that be kept hidden?

Are the Cop's results always reversed or are they only reversed sometimes? Cuz if that's the case, the Psychiatrist not healing them wouldn't be very helpful for us...

I'm here. Though I don't have anything to contribute right now.

Okay, that makes it a bit complicated. A cop reveal is very risky at this point, because they probably wouldn't even have a chance to show their verdict after being revealed.

Perhaps Hawkeye could reveal tomorrow with his/her result, and then be protected? After that the Mafia wouldn't know whether to target the Cop or Hawkeye. Just bouncing ideas off here.

A Mafia with 2 night kills.

A Cop that's nuts and neither the cop or anyone else will know if the cop report is good.

This shouldn't take long.

Oh. I thought by 'reversed every night' you meant that the results would be reversed, you know, every night. So it's effectively randomized then, and the Psychiatrist should in fact attempt to cure people each night.

Sounds good, but the would take 12 nights. And if the Mafia can take out 2 each night that would only take 6 nights.

In the mean time the cop, not knowing if his findings are reversed or not, by making a report would only put a target on his back.

Even if he made a report after his first check and report it, how are we to know if it was reversed.

This role only hurts the town not help it. The only way to make it a role that helps the town is if the cop knows he has been cured.

I agree with Chief, besides knowing that the doctor came and cured you seems natural anyways.

All right, now I'm really confused about the Cop's results.



So before he is cured, he will get innocent verdicts on guilty players and guilty verdicts on innocent players. Is that correct? And when he is cured, he will get the correct results, right? But he doesn't know when he has been cured.

Assuming the above is correct, why would the Psychiatrist try curing him? Just let the Cop reverse his results. What am I missing?

That was my reading/strategy, Flare, but per Speed's reply to FAW above the results are randomized rather than simply reversed. So the Cop's results will be completely useless until they are cured. And yeah, chief, that does mean that there's no reason for the Cop to come forward with any result unless they feel they're about to die or the Town just really needs any information they can get. If the Psychiatrist dies before the Cop is cured, the Cop will remain useless.

The other strategy we can consider at some point, probably early on in the game, is a roleclaim. We do have more Town-sided power roles than we have Townies, so a roleclaim will certainly help narrow down the list of people to choose from. The Ditto throws the numbers off a bit, but it's possible they'd be willing to work with the Town and select, say, the Doctor or Hawkeye since a roleclaim gives them a better chance of actually joining a team (I assume they can't win the game without selecting a side?). Actually, since they only wind up with a role based on a Nightkill, they really can only wind up as a Town-sided role so we theoretically should be able to count on their support vis-a-vis a roleclaim.

I'm not sure if a roleclaim on Day 1 is the best strategy, but a roleclaim within the first couple of days does feel like the best chance the Town has this game--I'd certainly go for it if one of the vanilla Townies left in the game were to be Nightkilled. It has the obvious risk of exposing our power roles to the Mafia, but a few of those power roles just aren't that great. Meanwhile, not only does it increase our chances of hitting a Mafia member to (assuming the Ditto cooperates) 1 in 6, it also increases the odds that the Town Drunk blocks the Sniper or Spotter, helps the Doctor to select their target, and lets the Psychiatrist connect with the Cop. Maybe it would be better on Day 2 when the Hawkeye has some information to share, but it's something to consider.

@Speed- Does the psych know if they healed the cop? If they do, it may be nessesary for them to sacrifice themselves to give our cop some use.

I'm not the cop, so there is no point in trying to cure me. My insanity is built in and permanent. ;)

Yeah it does seems not really helpful that the Cop doesn't know when he's cured... and even if they went back to the ones they checked before they were cured, it doesn't seem like a cheap win? I guess that's why Speed did it that way? Idk.

But it does seem like we're gonna need the Psychiatrist to come forward after they cute the Cop so we at least know.

Also I guess D1NK for me...

Ohhh I like feral's strategy, I am also not the cop so don't cure me either.

Speed, can you please clarify the cop shit again. Just a yes or no to this will be sufficient I think.

Cop targets me.
Gets a guilty verdict.
Cop targets me again the next round
Gets an innocent verdict.

Correct?

I like lancer's analysis. A roleclaim in Day 2 or 3 probably is our best bet. D1NK is risky with so many Mafia night kills but I think it's our best bet.

With that in mind I expect the Mafia to play very low-key this game. I doubt they'll want to take a prominent role and give themselves away in any meaningful manners.

Eh, I have nothing to add.

If the psychiatrist manages to cure the cop, shouldn't they just go ahead and announce that it has been done? It's suicide probably on their part but I think worth it for the cop and the rest of the town to know that the results are now valid. Otherwise their role is wasted along with the cop's.

That's the idea, Vandy.

My Synopsis (maybe I can get this out before the round updates)

Innocent
Feral
Vandy
Los Hermanos Blancos
Me, obviously
Guilty
Xhin
Knuckles
Dunno
Lady Flare
Chiefsonny

Guess I'm just dust in the wind...............

Sure

Sorry FAW, I make mistakes too sometimes.

Innocent
FAW

One last question regarding the Cop and the Psychiatrist: will the Cop's verdict on the night he/she is cured by the Psychiatrist be correct, or will it still be random?

I assume the order of power is Psychiatrist Cure ---> Cop Verdict. Least that makes sense to me.

FAW is correct according to Day 0 thread

Since the Cop won't know he's been cured what difference will it make?

If we go with the plan that the Psychiatrist reveals after they've cured the cop, it matters lol

That, of course, is assuming the Psychiatrist knows when they've healed the Cop. Unless I've missed it, I don't believe we've had confirmation on that?

It wouldn't make sense for the Psychiatrist not to know when they've healed the Cop, since I'm assuming Speed lets them know if they were successful during that Night Round or not like other roles similar to it...

Speed if you could clear this up so that we could have actual constructive conversation

SPEED

Oh, it began. Uh, I have no clue what's going on.

Just getting my name on the board...

48 hours, 4 days... who's counting.