That's a very interesting Nightkill. Flare hadn't contributed almost anything Day 1. Either a) the Mafia is composed of very inexperienced players, b) they're trying to cast suspicion on the more vocal players by keeping them alive, or c) the Mafia is actually composed of those who were most vocal Day 1.

Yeah I agree it is kinda weird. I agree with "B" as the reasoning for it but it might have just been a random ass kill idk

I'm the Hawkeye and feral was spotted last night.

Since I will likely die tonight, ditto should copy me.

Also I think the doctor should protect feral, or else we should lynch feral to be sure they didn't spot one of their own to fuck with us.

I honestly thought that Flare looked suspicious, though only a small bit above anyone else, just because she was pretty quiet yesterday. So I guess I'm okay with a potential suspicion of mine getting the cut, though it would have been better if she were a vanilla Townie.

As for the Feral situation, it's certainly possible that the Mafia targeted one of their own...but I think we're generally okay if that's the case since it means the Sniper's not coming into play really. It does mean that we can't treat Feral as 100% innocent, but I am going to lean towards him being more likely innocent than not.

I think the question we need to deal with this day round is whether we want to go for a roleclaim. I still believe it's probably our best bet to win the game, though that assumes everyone (or at least the Town power roles) is active enough to contribute. Our odds are a little lower this day round than they were before we lost a power role, but they're still generally quite good. Our alternative is to do something similar to what Ghowilo suggested and ask the Doctor to protect Feral while the Ditto targets Ghowilo, though the Mafia are pretty unlikely to take the obvious plays if that's what we agree to do (which may be better for us anyway).

Doesn't that put a target on our Power roles that we need. Doc, Psychiatrist and the Dumb Cop in case he get's it right.

Yeah idk about a massive role claim just yet. Seems like something that'll come back to shoot us in the foot...

OK, I am at complete loss.

The Doctor can't protect Feral because the Doctor IS Feral. The fact that I am standing here talking to you is unbelievable. Why the Hell did the Mafia let me live, knowing my role and that my own power, had I used it, couldn't protect me from the Spotter assisted Sniper? My only guess is that the Sniper was inactive last night. Question for the Mafia; did I protect myself last night, or did I save it for today?

It does put a target on our power roles--that's always the danger with roleclaims. You basically have to look at it as a risk/reward scenario.

The Rewards:

-We would cut our lynch targets to six potentials, which would essentially give us a 50% shot at hitting each day (assuming, of course, that everyone cooperates with a theoretical roleclaim).

-The Cop is essentially a useless role until they're cured, and the Psychiatrist is unimportant after they've connected with the Cop. They'd for sure be able to find the Cop with a roleclaim, with the Doctor covering the Cop so we got at least one result (with the negative to that being we'd be effectively sacrificing the Doctor).

-The Hawkeye has already revealed, so there's no risk there.

-The Ditto would know not to target any of the vanilla Townie claims, increasing their chances of hitting one of our power roles.

-The Town Drunk would have a better chance of hitting one of the Mafia power roles and wouldn't accidentally interfere with our own power roles. The Doctor would also probably have a better shot at saving someone because the Mafia would have to target our power roles.

The Risk (and mitigating/exacerbating factors):

-The Ditto may or may not cooperate, though they should be effectively Town-sided this game since they can only really join the Town.

-The Doctor is an important Town role for sure, and carries a significant risk if a roleclaim happens. The Town Drunk is also in this category.

-We have a couple of players who might not be active enough to participate in a roleclaim, though I hope this isn't the case.

So yeah, there are some pretty significant risks, as well as some benefits. The last one is sort of my sticking point, as the roleclaim only really helps us if ALL of the power roles participate--otherwise it doesn't narrow down our lynch targets at all. If it looks like we won't have all of our players around, I'll be less inclined to go for the mass roleclaim.

Overall, I don't think it's a clear decision either way, which is why I'm interested in hearing what everyone else has to say. I would say I'd lean towards the roleclaim because a 50% shot of hitting a Mafia member is enticing, though the prospect of not everyone being active enough to participate is worrisome. We do need to start somewhere, however. Does anyone have any suspicions they're ready to share?

Well, I didn't see Feral's post before I made that. I think a roleclaim is a little more pressing now that the Doctor has already been revealed.

The Doctor can't protect Feral because the Doctor IS Feral. The fact that I am standing here talking to you is unbelievable. Why the Hell did the Mafia let me live, knowing my role and that my own power, had I used it, couldn't protect me from the Spotter assisted Sniper? My only guess is that the Sniper was inactive last night. Question for the Mafia; did I protect myself last night, or did I save it for today?

Wait, can the Doctor not protect from a Sniper kill? And my assumption was that the Mafia can't both mark and snipe a target in the same night--I think it's a two-night progress since you wouldn't be marked until the night round was over, right?

Neither one of these statements identify Feral as the Doc. He could have been out as another role with night actions.



Why was this role claim necessary?

My point. If he is the Doc. only he would know that so as important a role as it is, why claim?

If Feral's the Doc, he basically had to roleclaim. Assuming we believe Ghowilo, the Mafia already knew Feral's role because the Spotter learns the roles of the targets he or she marks.

Because the Mafia already knows my identity, silly. Why hide knowledge the Mafia already has from the town.

Also, I thought the spotter and sniper acted together in the same night. Also, according to the description, any kill the sniper makes that has been marked is a 100% kill, so the doctor's ability would be voided. If that IS the case, then knowing that I am marked for the Sniper TODAY, then my death tonight is a given. Also means I will not be able to protect anybody.

I already had suspicions of chiefsonny and this cements them.

Go for it.

But just remember this. You take me out, and the Sniper takes out Feral and with the reg Mafia vote, the town is down to 5

@Speed. Is there going to be Host Kills for inactive players?

Guhh. Don't have the energy to be invested right now but I have tried to read all of this. I don't think chief is mafia and I'm not entirely sold on feral either. I'm staying out of it for now.

Actually since no kill would be against other votes, I don't want to do that right now either.

KNuckles, if I am alive tomorrow, I would ENCOURAGE the town to lynch me, because I would be past my expiration date. ;)

@chiefsonny, did you not know the mafia knew Feral's role from the spotter? I'm confused why you thought it was a bad idea to claim the role publicly when the mafia knew the role already?

I don't know that we have enough info to make a vote on, yet. It's strange that chief did not know about the spotter but at the same time it wouldn't really benefit the mafia to question the role claim.

To be very honest, I forgot what all the roles did and did not take the time to read them again before I posted. Which as you know is not the way I normally play.

But that's what happens when you have a lot of rl stuff going on and trying to contribute to the game.

All's fair in love and war. And games.

You're not helping your case any.

I would implore the other town sided members to lynch chief. I don't buy that he's had irl stuff changing his play style, and his whole "alls fair in love and war" comment as he voted for me, a town-sided power role highlights my suspicions. Whether or not he be mafia he is obviously a liability and it would be best to get rid of him.

I don't have to prove anything to you or anyone else.



Who has already role claimed so the Mafia knows who you are.

So what, you want to make their job easier and get rid of me here instead of making them do it? That makes soooooooo much sense.

At this point, Feral and I are both dead. Ditto is going to have to make a choice as to who to save. By taking me out you will reduce that choice to one but I'm not 100% sure that ditto can copy someone killed by the Sniper so you may be taking that choice away from him altogether. At this point, I am 98% sure you are mafia.

And as usual you're 100% wrong.

Sounds like something mafia would say.

Chief voting for Ghowilo is really fishy to me--I don't think voting for a claimed power role when there's been no counterclaim is productive at all. At this point it's probably too late in the round to go for the roleclaim idea, though I think it's something we should pull the trigger on next round given that two of our most important power roles have already revealed. Odds are good that at least one of them will survive, since the Doctor still gets their save tonight, though they'll certainly die the next round. Hopefully the Ditto guesses correctly tonight.

I'm pretty torn on whether I want to go ahead and lynch chief tonight. The ratio's going to get tight, and we can't afford many mistakes, but he is quite a bit more suspicious than anyone else in my mind so far. It doesn't really help that we've had three people not speak at all this day round (Xhin, Rocky, Ophelia).

Sorry about the inactivity guys. I'll try to look into this more throughout the day.

Ghowilo is playing aggressively as usual!

Let me get this on the record before the round ends





I told you so.

Okay except I went along with yesterday's plan and role claimed at the beginning of the round, narrowing down our options. Considering there has been no challenge to my claim, unless you think I'm bullshitting it for the sake of helping the mafia and the "real" hawkeye just hasn't revealed yet (in which case you're a bigger idiot than I give you credit for) then honestly, what makes you think I'm mafia?

Please oh please say that you're the "real" hawkeye. DO IT DO IT DO IT

I never said you were Mafia.

I said I'm not Mafia.

And I did not take the time to read the Hawkeye role. My bad.

Do you have anyone in mind for who might be and why?

My concern in this whole thing was that 2 of our top power roles, role claimed when only one had to. The Hawkeye would not be know to the Mafia, and the Doc was sure to be killed by them the next night. And we would still have Hawkeye.

If I'm wrong correct me please.

And as I said in another post above, I've been off my game.

I think Ghowilo might be onto something here. I'm leaning toward a chief vote for sure.

Also interesting that Xhin doesn't post all around then immediately posts after getting called. Shows that he was probably lurking and playing the quiet strategy.

Yeah I think I'm agreeing with the rest of the town here... Chief certainly didn't help his own case and he does seem to be playing different.... gaaaaah

wait isn't the round over?

Oh dang, it is just supposed to be a 48-hour round. Well, good thing Speed has plenty of IRL stuff going on? I was assuming it was 72, or I'd've made a point of posting before I made dinner instead of after as I am.

Anyway.

I don't follow Chief's logic for why Feral shouldn't have roleclaimed; discussion yesterday said that Hawkeye should give his info right away, the mafia would already know what Feral is. It's definitely possible that Feral falseclaimed Doctor as a mafia member, but I'm reserving judgment on that until next round.

A roleclaim would've probably worked out really well, at least assuming that we'd have people active enough to get claims from everybody. Yeah...

Ghowilo isn't the only one who's said they're suspicious of chief, so why is he the only one with a vote recorded? Having been on the other side of this in previous games, I don't like having such a close vote this late in the round...

It's not over until speed locks the thread my sweet summer child.

Unless Speed changed the rules. For voting purposes the round ended at 5:38 PM EST on 9/21/15

not sure if it will count

I'm going down, but I am sure as Hell going down fighting.

The Doctor can't save somebody until AFTER they have been attacked, so I doubt I will have a chance to save anybody tonight since the attack on my will probably come before any save I attempt to make. I will still certainly attempt one, though.

I always took the 48 hours thing as more of a suggestion than a definitive when the round ends, sense no one has ever truly adhered to it in the past. Rounds end when the host decides to end them. That's the way it's gone the past 7 games or so, but I get it, now that it's your head on the chopping block you've gotta try everything to weasel your way out.

@Feral Wolf

According to the Night Round Role Priority, you should be able to get in a save.

Rules:
No OOG
No vote locking
No night talk BESIDES night 0
24 hour night rounds, 48 hour day rounds
No johns

Role Priority:
Town Drunk block
Ditto guess
Doctor save
Psychiatrist cure
Cop check
Spotter mark
Sniper kill
Mafia kill

I thought about it and I'm just not sure about this chief sonny vote...
Though it's definitely too late to fight for him ugh

Also, according to Night 0, the Doctor's action happens before the Sniper Kill... So I assume that the Doctor still gets his save but is then killed??

Does this still apply if the doctor saves himself or is it cancelled out completely?

I honestly have no idea if being marked then hit by the Sniper cancels out the doctor ability. Otherwise, Yes, the doctor can save themselves.

I always took the 48 hours thing as more of a suggestion than a definitive when the round ends, sense no one has ever truly adhered to it in the past. Rounds end when the host decides to end them. That's the way it's gone the past 7 games or so, but I get it, now that it's your head on the chopping block you've gotta try everything to weasel your way out.

Is that how it's been? I don't really recall that being the case--as far back as I can remember, the voting has always been closed as of the exact time the round was scheduled to end, regardless of if the Host was able to be around to actually close the thread at that time. I would probably have voted for chief, but I didn't bother because I suddenly realized that we had a 48 hour round and the time had passed. So if this is the case, I believe the vote was tied between chief and No Kill.

I assume the Doctor save works as usual. You should get your save no matter what, and hopefully Speed will answer the question about whether the Sniper works through a Doctor kill since you'll need to know whether saving yourself is possible or not.

Well thanks. But don't worry about it. My role sucks anyway.

I'm not sure if you're implying you're a power role or something, but I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you're a power role and you're in danger of being lynched, you should always roleclaim. You're getting killed anyway if you don't claim, so there's no risk to telling us your role. If you're a vanilla Townie, however, it doesn't really change anything.

I'm the Dumb Cop.

And so now the Mafia knows 3 of our Power roles and have 2 night kills.

And the town take out 1 and we're left with the Psychiatrist (with no one to cure), the Town Drunk, and 3 Townies.

and we have Growlithe to thank for starting the band wagon.

Assuming there's no counterclaim...

Choose wisely tonight, Feral...

Also I think the Psychiatrist and the Town Drunk should definitely come forward next day round.

If I save Chief tonight, and the psych cures him as well, at least he can give off one result before he dies. Unless, of course, he is false claiming, in which case he will be lynched tomorrow when the psych comes forward to say that he picked Chief and didn't cure anybody.

The only downfall to this is that Ghow would likely be lost. Of course, the Mafia still has to guess on what I do in my final hours. I could go either way...

Also, to be safe...

Ah, wrong thing.

It's a tough choice tonight to be sure, but I'm not going to say anything because hopefully you catch the Mafia guessing incorrectly. :) It would have to be one of you three (chief, Ghow, Feral), though, I think. Obviously the Psych will target chief.

new intel has been processed

Though it probably doesn't matter now since its just WAY BEYOND THE 48 HOUR MARK but this is the path that I choose.

Oh god I can't take this suspense speed pls

This day round has lasted 96 hours. Maybe it's time to just stop the game.

With all Speed's good intentions it looks like he's to busy to be hosting.

120 hours but whose counting?

Welp, I think the game is just about over.

Hey Mafia, your not suppose to kill the HOST! lol

Ugh, this is a shame, because we actually had a lot of activity this game...

For some reason I can still post here.

I offered to co-host the game in the Dead Thread.

Has Speed posted anything in the mod forum? I'm starting to get worried something might have happened to him IRL...

The last time he posted anywhere on the site was 19 Oct.

He's dead Jim.

I just ghosted into Speed's account and set Flare as a host. I figure it can't possibly be any worse than our current situation, so as far as I'm concerned she's running the game.

When setting her as host, I manipulated the size and shape of the browser window such that I couldn't see anybody else's role assignment. So, I have no additional game knowledge.

Thanks hez.

The Town has elected not to kill anyone this day.

Night 2 has begun.

How long will this night round last? It may be worth extending it, given that some players might not notice that the game's back.

I'll extend it a bit if necessary. I'll give it a day and see how many Night actions are in. It would be nice if it doesn't extend much more than a day and a half to 2 days. We need to get this back on track.