Ok so I thought I had posted yesterday but I didn't and now I don't even remember what I said. Has anyone heard from Vandy at all??

Yeah I'm here. Sorry. I got married this past weekend and that plus the extremely long day 2 have thrown me off. I understand this makes me look fishy but I am a vanilla townie for what my word is worth.

How is it possible no one died last night?

Congrats, Candy!

I see 3 ways nobody could've died:
Mafia is inactive
Mafia got Drunk'd by Ophelia
Mafia target got Doc'd by Thunder

What's the common thread here? Seems like Xhin has skated by so far. Barely posting, so maybe he was inactive. A suspicion raised last round too, so a logical Drunk target IMO.

Yay autocorrect. Thanks Vandy more like it.

The most likely outcome last night would have been that we lost two players--both the Sniper kill and the normal Mafia kill (it seems unlikely the Spotter ever targeted Rocky). So I wouldn't be surprised if Thunder got Feral's role and saved someone (maybe chief?) AND Ophelia hit the Sniper last night. That's why I'm pretty interested in voting Knuckles off today, though I also have no reason not to be suspicious of Xhin. I would like to hear from chief before we vote, and the Psychiatrist if they're around, but I'm leaning towards Knuckles. Xhin...could actually be the Psychiatrist, now that I think about it. FAW, Xhin, and Knuckles are the only players who haven't roleclaimed yet. I'm a vanilla Townie, so at least one of hezy and Vandy are lying about their role.

And yes, many congratulations to Vandy! :)

I'm the psychiatrist. Today I tried to check chief, because I was skeptical the other times, but now it's pretty much messed up. Eh do what you want, I'm probably no help now. And yes, I know that there was no need for this role claim, and I have no idea if Chief is actually the cop or not, so fug it.

I'll hold off the vote until chief posts just so Xhin doesn't get bandwagon lynched.

Today I tried to check chief, because I was skeptical the other times

Ugh, not checking chief immediately makes zero sense to me. There's no reason to take a shot in the dark when we already have a Cop claim with no counterclaim. (crazy)

Obviously not voting Knuckles now...if all of our roleclaims are true, then the only real reason for the Sniper not to have killed one of us would be due to inactivity--I can't really see the Mafia willingly giving up on a free kill. So Xhin seems like a reasonable vote, though I would like to hear from him first...Vandy's also an option.

Xhin not speaking up = Xhin getting voted out. Sheesh. (pepe)

Before you kill me, I have some clinical observations about some of the pathological liars here.....

But I really am horribly busy so it'll have to wait until this evening.

Interesting...don't want to end the day round just yet. I'll wait to see what Xhin has to say.

Also, @Flare: the first thread does not say anything about the Drunk not being able to target the same person twice in a row, so I'm assuming it's allowed to do that?

I never claimed anything cuz I don't have a role to claim...
Also, Xhin what. I'm about to vote for him as well but I guess we'll wait since there seems to be TWO PSYCHOLOGISTS NOW.
i was about to ask for Chief's results but idk if he's cured? Is he told when he's cured?

Alright, so we've narrowed it down to this.

Confirmed innocents (e.g. non-counterclaimed power roles):

Chiefsonny
Ophelia
White Thunder

Psychiatrist Claims (1/2 is Mafia):

Xhin
Knuckles

Townie Claims (2/4 are Mafia):

white lancer
FAW
hezekiah
Vandy

Chief had an innocent verdict on me last round, but if Knuckles is telling the truth we're not sure he's been cured yet. I would like to hear from him about his verdict last night, and from Xhin about whether he targeted chief last night or the night before. This, by the way, is exactly why we needed the Psychiatrist to come forward earlier (either last round or, ideally, the round chief came forward)--before, there would have been a HUGE risk for a Mafia to falseclaim Psychiatrist, but right now they get to force us to take a 50/50 shot with the ratio so close. That's pretty frustrating.

Lol... "pathological liars" where is there even coming from? All I did was roleclaim. I guess I'll be proven otherwise if you lynch me though, eh?

*where is that even coming from

I would like to hear from him about his verdict last night

I don't know if I'm allowed to quote it word for word, but basically I got a message implying that "I" stopped at a pub, and got held up.

Night 0 I tried to see if I could cure White Thunder, but couldn't.

Night 1 I chose White Thunder, no effect.

Night 2 I tried Hez, still no effect.

And Night 3 is what I mentioned at the top.

Regardless considering the circumstances, either I or Xhin are clearly mafia so I encourage you to lynch one of us.

Hey Flare, the Drunk's entry in the Mafia Roles doc says that it's prevented from repeatedly targeting the same person. Just FYI.

So Knux says he hasn't done anything useful. I'm not crazy, Thunder's not crazy, chief still is. I'm hoping Xhin is the true Psych and actually did cure chief at some point, at least then we could get a useful verdict or two out of our cop.

By the way the round ends tomorrow morning at 11:16 EST (8:16 PST)...

Guess I should take my vote off Xhin for right now, no kill seems better than risking 5-3 going into the night. I don't wanna see that happen though, 6-2 would feel a lot better, though... Gotta figure I'll be voting for one of them two before the round ends.

I'd rather vote someone off this round than no one...we're not really going to get better odds than what we have now (50/50 with both the Psychiatrist vote and the Townie vote) and there's a chance we could hit the Sniper and give ourselves some breathing room. Even if we miss, we'd just need either Ophelia to hit the Sniper (with a 1/5 chance of doing that--obviously she wouldn't be targeting herself, chief, or White Thunder) or Thunder to save one of the two kills (possibly a 2/5 chance). Waiting until tomorrow would mean we're 100% dead unless BOTH Thunder and Ophelia save someone, so I think statistically we're better off going for it this day round.

Hopefully Xhin shows up and can explain himself--I'm not really sure who I'm voting for, but it'll definitely be Xhin if he doesn't come back tonight. I've got some things to say but I'd like him to say his piece first.

Two more questions, Flare:

1. Can the Doctor save someone from a Sniper kill? Feral seemed to think the answer was no, but I don't know that we ever got an answer from Speed on that one and I can't really tell from the original post.
2. If the Town Drunk hits the first Mafia member to vote, does it negate the Mafia kill? Our games have been rather inconsistent on this issue. I don't imagine this has come up this game, so it's probably just your call.

Sorry for all the questions, Flare, and thanks again for taking up hosting duties!

Yeah, this vote kinda feels forced. Would have liked to have gotten more info out of Xhin before doing this, since his info does seem kinda important if he's telling the truth about his role, but I don't think I can justify voting for an active player who has shared their results over an inactive player.

If Xhin is innocent, then it'll be up to Thunder and Ophelia to try to keep us alive. I'm not going to give any advice to Thunder, since the Mafia will be trying to predict/stay away from whoever he targets anyway, so I might as well not make their job easier. As for Ophelia...it does seem like a pretty reasonable guess that Knuckles is the Sniper, since a kill was prevented last night and you targeted him, so he's a good guess. If he's not the Sniper, though, he certainly won't be the one to cast the first vote since he'll be the only confirmed Mafia, so...you'd just have to take your chances among the Townie claims (it's also possible that he was the first to vote last night and that Thunder saved the Sniper kill, or that the Sniper was simply inactive last night). Tough call, and we can't really blame either of you if you miss, so just make your best guess tonight.

This is, of course, all assuming that Xhin is the Psychiatrist. Hopefully he's Mafia and we get a little breathing room (though obviously the Drunk would still want to target one of the Townie claims if Xhin is Mafia).

Definitely agree that the Drunk should go after one of the townie claims if Xhin is mafia, Knux if human. Aside from that, I hope our power roles guess right.

You would think, though, that if Xhin was mafia and had seen that people were voting for him, that he would be more diligent in clearing his name. I'm inclined to think he's just busy and hasn't had the time. It's difficult to form an opinion on inactivity. At the same time, I hate wasting a round this late into the game.

You would think, though, that if Xhin was mafia and had seen that people were voting for him, that he would be more diligent in clearing his name.

I have a vague memory of Xhin claiming to be a power role in the past for no reason when he was actually just a townie. But this is literally the best I've got, so.

Yeah if he's not even gonna defend himself after claiming a kind of important role...

DIE MAFIA!!

You would think, though, that if Xhin was mafia and had seen that people were voting for him, that he would be more diligent in clearing his name. I'm inclined to think he's just busy and hasn't had the time. It's difficult to form an opinion on inactivity. At the same time, I hate wasting a round this late into the game.

Fair point, and one that's been bothering me as well...I've generally been more suspicious of Knuckles than Xhin thus far this game. But I wanted to get a lynch through and there was only about a half-hour left in the round when I gave up on getting a response from Xhin, so I didn't want to risk a No Kill. It also sometimes happens that Mafia sort of 'give up' when they feel like they've been caught, so I still think there's a reasonable chance Xhin is Mafia. Can't really do much for Xhin if he's not even going to defend himself.