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game 4 dead thread

Posted April 18, 2012 by Yeano

{:(} You are dead.

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At least I get the first choice of caskets.

April 21, 2012
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Bubba

Ha!

Probably one of the best Dead Thread replies.

April 21, 2012
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Yeano

It's really ticking me missing all of the fun over in the day 2 thread. LLight really gets in it.

April 22, 2012
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Bubba

There really should be some mechanic that incorporates the dead into the game. Maybe a zombie outbreak?

April 22, 2012
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Bubba

I think LLight might be coming off as too much of a douche bag. At least to me, it seems like he's trying to play the out-spoken guy to take charge of the town. Having played the game in person several times, the loud person who had good ideas usually made it pretty far. Though you don't want to constantly accuse people, which LLight is being careful not to. Not sure how this translates into online play.

Interesting, nonetheless. I'd execute LLight right away to stop him from gaining points. He's putting a lot into it and might continue to run the show

April 22, 2012
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Bubba

Okay. What the hell! That's so stupid. Let me explain to you what just freaking happened.

First off, my Internet isn't working, so I have to go on my moms 3G phone for Internet. I don't remember my password for this site because it's saved on my computer. So therefore I was not logged on and could not see my role. Can you please explain to me Yeano how thats fair?!

April 23, 2012
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Zanic

I mean, out of all the turns to be silenced, it had to be this one!

April 23, 2012
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Zanic

That's unfortunate, but that's just the way it is.

April 23, 2012
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Yeano

The dead does not complain. We only carry out our mission in silence.

April 23, 2012
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Bubba

Im thinking: Llight's mafia

The vig once again is being stupid.

I also think that unless Roxas is taken out by mafia in the next few rounds, he may be mafia as well.

April 23, 2012
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CtR Black

teddy who did you try to heal?

April 23, 2012
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CtR Black

I tried to heal Roxas.

And Yeano, if you see this can kill with more imagination. I mean it was the same thing last two rounds. A bullet in the chest? Maybe run me over by a delorean or something.

And Llight is either mafia or vigilante. I would say vigilante though cause he keeps talking about Batman and how we should have faith in him. I truly belive Llight could easily be mafia though.

April 23, 2012
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Teddy-Son

I would say vigilante though cause he keeps talking about Batman and how we should have faith in him.

I was chewing on this as well. Could be a thinly veiled attempt to tell the members of the town to trust him because he really is the vigilante, or he is just trying to deceive them because he really is the mafia. I hope someone brings this up in the thread.

I like the strategy of no kill though, let the vigilante do the killing.

April 23, 2012
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Bubba

First off all, thanks for talking to me, I was feeling lonely in the afterlife. :)

Second, I agree he could be pretending to be a good guy just to get us. To bad I am dead though, now when people die it is for good.

April 23, 2012
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Teddy-Son

I think the theory of Llight being a vig is very unlikely. If he is not mafia, then he should be killed this night if not lynched.

The mafia would obviously catch wind of everyone thinking Llight is the vig and kill him, if he is.

April 23, 2012
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CtR Black

If LLight is a part of the mafia,

the strategy is to keep LLight the prime suspect for the entire game, but not too much to make it obvious. LLight is the best candidate for this role based on p[laying styles. They want to keep the no voting going for as long as possible. There will always be that one player who will believe LLight is a townie and will side with him.

Could Xhin be that one player? I doubt it.

One more kill for Llight will make the executioner kill him if he's a townie, so I'm going to go with Not voting for now, but the LLight-haters have my support.- Xhin

Last part about trusting LLight-haters is too mafia-ish. Playing both sides. The town/vigilante needs to kill Xhin now to confirm this. Going after LLight now would make the mafia switch up their strategy.

Meanwhile, the mafia will be targeting suspected vigilante players.

April 23, 2012
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Bubba

We shall see what happens in the end. I hope I am right though that he is the mafia. I have said that he was the vigilante, but I also believe he could easily be the mafia to fool us as he seems more confusing then the last game.

April 23, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Mafia:
LLight
Xhin
White Lancer
Chiefsonny

I think it will become clearer after the current round.

April 23, 2012
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Bubba

Yeah that makes sense. Xhin is not going after Llight he must be with Llight or maybe not trying to get him self in trouble. White Lancer maybe and Chief isn't talking much. So I guess it all makes sense to some degree.

April 23, 2012
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Teddy-Son

id say

85
redack
llight
with white lancer as a maybe

April 23, 2012
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CtR Black

85 is another option as last game he was all "we should gamble now instead of later". And now he is "no kill"

April 23, 2012
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Teddy-Son

yeah im pretty convinced lancer is mafia. or vig or cop

April 24, 2012
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CtR Black

Yeah he doesn't really go after him so he could easily be mafia as well.

April 24, 2012
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Teddy-Son

I think if Llight is mafia, they should lynch white lancer. but they probably wont.

I dont know what they're doing. Im all for voting no kill the first round, maybe second round. but third round? when theres 4 more townies than mafia members and a no kill ensures there'll be 3 more?

They most be waiting for a miracle, or the cop. Who could be silenced, and could be killed sometime soon.

Jeez if only knuckles could raise a good argument against him without getting so worked up. If he could do that he could expose him and white lancer

April 24, 2012
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CtR Black

I know what you are saying. He has potential to make a good argument if he didn't get worked up. But, that won't change and Llight and White Lancer are perfect roles for Mafia. White Lancer is quite smart and knows how to get around stuff. I have seen him do RP and he knows how to speak.

Llight is like a computer he can come up with the best answers and put technologically stuff in there that confuses the hell out of most of us. He can easily slide his way to win. And almost everyone will follow him like zombies or not say much cause they are afraid.

April 24, 2012
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Teddy-Son

one more vote and thats round.

I think xhin should be lynched for saying hes vig. theres no reason the vig should reveal himself when the doctor is dead. if he doesnt get killed by mafia, he's probably mafia.

The way he said it was clever though. If the round ends soon it might not draw much attention. but it should.

April 24, 2012
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CtR Black

But i bet the real vig will try to kill xhin. i wonder if the thug will take it for him

April 24, 2012
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CtR Black

Yeah, I guessing revealing yourself was bad. If only I thought ahead and didn't give clues to who I was.

April 24, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Wow. I did not know white lancer and llight had such control. Looks like votes are going to drop just like last round, and Llight will survive another round.

This may be why xhin said this, maybe the vig will target him this night, and then the argument for Llight to be a townie continues next round with the same results.

April 24, 2012
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CtR Black

Oh, one thing I should mention. On my one and only night as Ghoul, I was able to confirm that Roxas is NOT the Thug. I just took a shot in the dark at it.

April 24, 2012
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Bubba

Bubba: How did you know that Roxas was not a thug?

And yes Lancer and Llight are smart as I said. I mean they are arguing with Knuckles, nuff said.

April 24, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Oh God, this LLight and Xhin stuff is hilarious.

The town would kill Xhin tonight if they were smart.

April 24, 2012
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Bubba

I see what Xhin did now. He's joining the argue with knuckles bandwagon. It's easy to make knuckles look wrong, so to argue against him makes you look right. genius

The town should kill *someone* tonight

April 24, 2012
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CtR Black

I was given the option to guess on any player what role they were. If I got it right, I would become the role. I guessed Roxas as being the Thug, Yeano said "no".

April 24, 2012
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Bubba

Role reveals should be against the rules.

April 24, 2012
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Bubba

Not going to happen. Llight and Lancer are going to get out of this by getting people to no kill and silence Knuckles most likely. I mean I don't see him lasting much longer.

April 24, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Jeez that makes the ghoul character pretty hard to use.

So if you look at the main thread, we have:

Xhin + Llight + White Lancer vs. Knuckles

Pretty unfair.

Since the town probably wont listen to knuckles, i dont know if this is going to be a town win game. And they'll probably silence or kill roxas next round.

April 24, 2012
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CtR Black

I doubt they will silence knuckles. They want knuckles alive because he has very low credibility so it'll be easy for them to hide by arguing against him.

April 24, 2012
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CtR Black

Yeah, the Mafia might win. I mean I don't see the town winning.

And, what is the point of a ghoul being in the game if it can be killed?

April 24, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Remember, the ghoul can also take the role of any dead player.

The ghoul is essentially by himself until he chooses what side he wants to be on. He can flip a game and change the entire dynamic. If he can stay alive long enough, he is the most powerful player.

April 24, 2012
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Bubba

Maybe someone from past games can help me here, but is the value of the cop overrated? Has it proved useful in past games?

April 24, 2012
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Bubba

The cop is useless as I was told. I think the doc is just as useless to be honest though.

You know what though? I am actually having more fun this round. I don't have an important roll as the Godfather in this game. I don't call all the shots, I just get to sit back and watch everyone kill each other.

If if I were alive I could save someone but I still don't have to make any huge decisions.

April 24, 2012
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Teddy-Son

I think the cop is very useful. The cop is alive right? so he should have investigated Llight, unless white lancer talked him out of it "the cop shouldnt waste his ability on llight cause hes going to die"

Hoping the cop has already investigated Llight, he could investigate white lancer or xhin. and then come forward. he needs to come forward soon before the ratio is really low and before he is killed

April 24, 2012
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CtR Black

Woooooooooo~~~~

April 24, 2012
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Teddy-Son

LLight is either the vigilante or mafia. The towns members just need to ignore him and kill Xhin. If they find out Xhin is mafia upon his death, then they cane safely kill LLight knowing he is the mafia. Xhin and LLight have clearly had discussions in mafia thread, I see no other way around it. Unless LLight is just playing them all.

April 24, 2012
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Bubba

Thinking Helius might be mafia as well and is doing a bad job of executing the mafia grand plan that was likely laid out by LLight in the mafia thread.

April 24, 2012
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Bubba

Helius is a weird dude to begin with and for all we know this could be their grand scheme to throw people off.

April 24, 2012
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Teddy-Son

honestly, helius could just be a townie who has no idea what he's doing.

April 24, 2012
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CtR Black

or perphaps the game is more complicated than it appears...

April 24, 2012
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CtR Black

or perphaps the game is more complicated than it appears...

The game is complicated as hell. I mean the vigilante can be like a cop only he/she can kill, then there are so many roles in the Mafia that can do many things. Plus there is the doc that COULD save if he wasn't dead, the cop who could save the town. And now there is a double-voter (which is dead) and an executioner. Plus we have a Ghoul who was sent to the afterlife even though it was already dead.

If we had Cultists and Mason still this would be a nightmare. Let not forget about the computer program Llight with all of his stats.

April 24, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Yeah, CheifSonny is mafia. He changed his vote too easily.

Mafia:

LLight
Xhin
CheifSonny
White Lancer

April 24, 2012
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Bubba

I feel like either:

all the people no voting are mafia

or

the town is being way too hesitant to kill someone. Being too hesitant to kill is just as bad as being to o eager to kill.

And Llight is definetely acting differently than from the past games. in the last games Llight wanted to lynch THE FIRST ROUND! Now it's the fourth and he doesnt want to lynch.

April 24, 2012
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CtR Black

Assuming LLight lives and he is the mafia, I believe he will sacrifice himself next round. Another round of trying to save LLight will result in all of the mafia roles being revealed.

April 24, 2012
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Bubba

I dont know, i dont see why the town would not elect to lynch him next round if he doesnt die this day or night.

If they dont though, i believe they will milk this until its too late. the town better hope the mafia doesnt hit the cop

April 24, 2012
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CtR Black

Possibly Llight could be the godfather, and the reason one of the townies wont vote for him is because they're the cop and they investigated him.

April 24, 2012
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CtR Black

Also I'm pretty sure the vigilante killed teddy. I see no reason why he would take a shot at me, as i barely said anything. the only suspicious thing i could have said was:
i'll rescind my vote if enough people do to make me sure the vig will kill llight.

April 24, 2012
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CtR Black

If LLight is mafia, he's godfather no doubt.

April 24, 2012
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Bubba

Can someone fill me into what has been going on? I have missed most of what has been going on.

April 24, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Nothing really, just everyone defending LLight now/promising to kill him tomorrow if he isn't dead tonight.

April 24, 2012
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Bubba

I see and I wonder what will happen if he is dead?

April 24, 2012
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Teddy-Son

I see and I wonder what will happen if he is dead?

Hopefully the town will see through the ploy and realize the mafia killed one of their own.

April 25, 2012
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Bubba

Interesting....

April 25, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Yeano

Since there are 9 townies, and one may be silenced, could the round not end at 8 votes?

April 25, 2012
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CtR Black

Wow they really want Llight dead 0_0

April 25, 2012
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Teddy-Son

This feels like the absolute longest round. Maybe it's because i'm dead

April 25, 2012
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CtR Black

It is the longest round that I've been apart of. I Mean, I don't remember any round I was in where the main thread had that many posts.

April 25, 2012
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Teddy-Son

This round is no fun for me. This is so stupid. All the circumstances happened to go against me and now my team is getting screwed over for it.

April 25, 2012
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Zanic

Really can't wait until LLight's role is revealed. Should open up the game.

April 25, 2012
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Bubba

I am getting excited I want to see what happens.

April 25, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Eh. I'm not. I didn't even take part in this game. I didn't even get to read a single post. Whatever. I'll leave you guys to your strategies.

April 25, 2012
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Zanic

No talk to us come back Zanic!

April 25, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Why? The way I died was stupid and humiliating. What's the point? You guys at least got killed by mafia

April 25, 2012
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Zanic

That was wrong but we can still talk, you're nice to talk to.

April 25, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Fine. Thanks. I don't have any suspicions because I haven't bothered to read any of the posts. But I might. Although I don't think lancer is mafia.

April 25, 2012
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Zanic

Of course you never think your bro would be Mafia.

April 25, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Not true. I thought he was cult last game. In fact, being his brother makes me want to vote him out even more. Reading his posts though, I don't get the feeling that hes mafia.

April 25, 2012
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Zanic

Hehehe I was hoping you would say that :)

But in all seriousness he is either not Mafia or doing really good hiding it. No It is LLlight I think is Mafia.

April 25, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Now Llight I wouldn't have a problem of accusing. His suspicious behavior is out of line.

April 25, 2012
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Zanic

Man, it's too bad we were dead, if we were alive Llight would be dead by now and in here. I mean, Yeano could of given you a second chance given your circumstances. But instead we are dead and this goes on and on for days.

April 25, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Yeah. Didn't even get to put my role to use. Both of us could've helped tremendously.

April 25, 2012
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Zanic

I always thought a doctor could help either side. You'd think they would want me alive.

April 25, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Well, it's not like they knew what role you were anyway. And a doctor can be a huge roadblock for them.

April 25, 2012
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Zanic

Maybe but whatever, I still want to see what happens to see if the people were right and how the game goes on.

April 25, 2012
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Teddy-Son

woah, you guys are bro-skies?

April 25, 2012
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CtR Black

No Lancer and Zanic are though. They confirmed that back when Xhin was deciding who was the most nostalgic forum. Jedi Sith won ;)

Ha LLight was the cop so funny :D

April 25, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Moral of the story: Don't be too smart, the entire town will lynch you.

April 26, 2012
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Bubba

Ah man Llight I blame your death completely on you. You cant expect to be pro-lynch every game until now, and then when we have a bunch a people dead to advocate not lynching. In my opinion, had you just stayed quiet and be the same person you were before, knuckles would have eventually gotten bored.

April 26, 2012
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CtR Black

Bwahahahaha that was just hilarious. Anyways, as promised the loophole is active. Aren't you curious on how the night round investigations went?

Xhin and MajorasMask9 lock the round with capital timing after notifying Yeano after that last reply.

April 26, 2012
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LLight

If Xhin kills a townie, then the mafia win I'm assuming.

April 26, 2012
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Zanic

I agree that locking a thread should lock editing.

Don't reveal your information when dead except through this thread, ok?

While editing posts is not specifically against the rules (nor do I want to make it against the rules), please stay within the spirit of the rules, which is basically that dead people do not talk.

April 26, 2012
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Yeano

Oh that depends on how far back you go and when. You should make it against the rules or have Xhin change it. (I'm off again, will read over thread reactions later and then some more discussing).

April 26, 2012
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LLight

Yeano: If we can't talk dead then what is the point of this thread? Also is asking someone if you will play while the game is on against the rules? Also what is the point of having a Ghoul is it can die?

LLight, Knuckles and Helius HAVE talked outside of this forum about the game while it was going on. I remember back when Ruby was around Helius was upset that he died early. That was the time when I asked about the rules to Llight and he kinda answered me.

Ohh and Llight, Bubba is correct Stop being so smart and confusing people with your damn stats it confuses almost everyone. Not everyone is Sheldon.

And another thing, I thought posts were locked at night? Who unlocked it?

April 26, 2012
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Teddy-Son

What the crap? I totally did not expect to be dead tonight. Maybe that was because I thought Xhin was the Vigilante (seriously, WHY claim that role if it isn't you??), although now I'm really curious as to who killed me and who killed Xhin. It would make sense for either party to take Xhin out--the Vigilante because he was claiming his role, and the Mafia because they thought he was Vigilante. I was certain the Mafia would target Xhin, though.

April 26, 2012
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white lancer

And I was finally going to have a round where people weren't suspicious of me, since LLight cleared my name in that last post. :( Seriously, one of the most frustrating games ever for me. I felt like the freaking boy with his finger in the dike, trying to warn the Town of stuff but not having anyone listen to me.

"Hey, Vigilante, don't take a shot in the dark cause you might hit a special role! ...or you could just go kill our Governor."

"Hey, Town, let's watch out for the Executioner and be careful not to let people get too close to that edge! Or not--go ahead and put 1/3 of the votes ON THE FREAKING COP early in the round."

"Hey, Special Roles, it's better for you to claim and lose your anonymity than get voted off by the Town! Or, okay Mr. Cop, you can almost get voted off one round and get 5 votes on you after the Executioner doesn't kill you."

"Hey, Town, the Executioner might throw suspicion on someone by not targeting them, especially if they know the Governor is likely to block their kill anyway! Oh, but go ahead and fall right into their trap."

Seriously, do people think I just have no idea what I'm talking about? I thought my suggestions were all logical and would only make sense, but it seems no one wanted to follow them. Drove me absolutely crazy because it felt like my posts were being ignored. Anyway, I'm not sure who Mafia are, but before I died unexpectedly I was going to make an epic post pointing out that I was innocent and naming my main suspicions as Roxas, hezekiah, #85, and Malas (I expected Shadow to be dead along with Xhin, and if Shadow wasn't Mafia it would have been game over anyway).

I hope I wasn't right about that, though, because if so the game is over already (Executioner kill on Majora ends it). The Town would actually be better off letting the Vig take care of things at this point--with the Silencer in play, fully half of the players who are able to speak/vote are Mafia. Way too easy for them to sway votes so that the Executioner can get someone.

April 26, 2012
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white lancer

Who the heck is the Vigilante?

April 26, 2012
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white lancer

Thought for sure Xhin was mafia, followed by LLight being either the vigilante or Godfather.

I agree, let the vigilante run the town now. Best chance, if one exists.

April 26, 2012
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Bubba

They have 6 votes on marjora the round should end

April 26, 2012
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CtR Black

Yeah, unless Majora's Mafia the game's over. He could be--I was trusting him, for the most part, but it did seem weird that he would close that last round without pressing Xhin for more information. But I think it's more likely that he's not because it's almost certain that at least one Mafia member has voted for him.

April 26, 2012
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white lancer

It's very possible that Redack is Mafia. He seems to be switching his vote around on a whim--it could be that he knows the Mafia are already going to win (which they are if both Feral and Majora are Townies) and is just having fun with it.

Hate to say it, but the town in general has played this game really stupidly. There have been SO many avoidable mistakes over the past few rounds that I almost think we deserve to be taken out. At this point, the Town getting wiped out would just be natural selection. ;)

April 26, 2012
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white lancer

And Yeano never answered my questions. :(

April 26, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Yeah. Town played terribly. We made some major mistakes. Such as me speaking. My two votes wouldn't have really helped anyway with all this townie lynching.

April 26, 2012
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Zanic

Has a ghoul, I'm glad I wasn't part of the town this round.

April 26, 2012
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Bubba

Haha, yep, can't blame you.

Majora has 7 votes now. Either the Mafia are needlessly throwing him under the bus, or they've won a flawless victory.

April 26, 2012
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white lancer

I personally think false role claiming is a bad idea. unless you're claiming townie.

April 26, 2012
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CtR Black

I agree completely. There are a few situations in which false role claiming can be beneficial, but those are very rare and there's a chance they'll backfire (like with Majora last game).

April 26, 2012
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white lancer

Come, gather round now children. I owe you a story or an explanation of some sorts with the fun I had in my role as the cop in Mafia Town. I had a few cogs in the wheel thrown in front of my path and it was mostly Xhin and Yeano changing the rules of the game and therefor the landscape as we play, but I fully intended to die by methods of my own creation. I knew in the last round that I died, I was pushing it by using the emo card (which Xhin eventually fucked up by changing his vote). First, my original intent was to abuse Xhin's random vote by "carelessly" voting for the person I investigated who turned up guilty, but that quickly changed when Xhin fixed it, thereby blowing the top on my first idea, which would have displayed the names of the mafia at the bottom of the post. Second, my suspicions are raised upon the players who's in-game character (IGC) didn't match the rationalizations of their out of game (OoG) character. I picked up a third sense in my school boy days of the pack mentality of successful people who are trying to accomplish a common goal for a greater understanding. I get a good feel for people when I enter a debate with them and it is under this pretext where we are able to identify vehement players. They're usually the ones staving off the inherently flawed accusatory nature held by players with generally wrong internet gut feelings like CtR Black, Knuckles, Teddy-Son, and Malas. I was able to identify MajorasMask9 after a few volleys going back an fourth about his high risk strategy of role reveal, despite the fact that I outlined exactly why it's bad to reveal your role and I gave some examples from previous games (Knuckles and MajorasMask9 specific examples).

This brings me to Xhin's second obstacle in my path: townie Xhin admitted he was the Vigilante after being caught in the emotional upheaval of Roxas/Knuckles/hezekiah, which leaves the town no choice but to kill him if he was falsely claiming his role. There were three possibilities here: (1) he was the real Vigilante, revealing that would make the mafia want to kill him, (2) he was a townie pretending to be the Vigilante, which would make the real Vigilante want to kill him, or (3) he was mafia pretending to be a Vigilante, which would make the real Vigilante want to kill him. This is why I suggested to lynch any role revealer during that round because it would identify. I know Xhin fully intended to act as a body shield for the real Vigilante, but that's not how the real Vigilante would see it and that's not what would have happened during the night round because I had previously set up white lancer on a pedestal with praise, then explained the strategic advantage of the mafia killing him during the night round, which is likely what happened. This is why the mafia killed him and why the real Vigilante killed Xhin. I know because he messaged me after picking up on the hint that I was the cop. (Edited: okay, as you guys pointed out, this isn't actually what happened, so I was wrong here lol, that was just how it made sense to me). It was then that he quickly realized his mistake. A townie claiming a false role is only bad for the town because we would have never known if he was telling the truth until after he dies. He basically screwed my improvised plan to die in the next round by town vote more than once in the same instance after I attempted an emotionally crafted response for chiefsonny and Feral. I feel a little dirty now because that makes me a manipulative bastard for doing it. He thought "Oh, there's no avoiding a town vote", but wasn't paying attention to the number of votes it took to end the round.

This is where MajorasMask9, knowing I was onto him, jumped in a few minutes later to seal the round. Not sure if Yeano was watching or if he took that as the opportunity to notify Yeano to end the round over OoG IMs, but this is also another reason on how I figured the Executioner would not act because if the town ended up voting for No Kill like I planned after the emotional manipulative bastard ploy and the Executioner killed me, it would shroud some suspicion on MM9 after my paper trail loophole is revealed partially in the emo card, which topples my next domino that couldn't have worked out any better when MM9 suggested others read over old posts, which would make more sense if others actually read the pre-games of the last 2 games as well. Before the game ended, I edited a reply from game 3 with a "list" of the people I investigated and I hinted to Feral and Redack over IM to check it out. Seems evident in the current Day Round 4 that they have not yet discovered it, which is fine. This puts Feral in a predicament because my final replies added him to the supicion list where the real list does not. Feral has the opportunity to clear his name of any suspicion right now. If he doesn't point it out like I told him, then he's either not very adamant about taking clues or he's definitely mafia. There's still a huge lol surrounding that list that I've planted so I'm still following the game to see if they find it to confirm my other suspcioins and further validate my theory of OoG characters not matching their IGCs. Since MM9 will eventually be reading this reply, I still don't want spoilers from you, even outside of death unless it's an amusing reaction, in which case, go ahead.


If you played any of the previous games or even know Knuckles outside of the Mafia forum, then you would know that it would benefit the town greatly to have him killed regardless of role. This didn't work out so great after Xhin claimed Vigilante though, so using Knuckles as a wild card was equally as entralling. I'm sorry if you think that makes me an ass, but the players who have been following the current state of GTX0 affairs would definitely see this as something that's true (again, Knuckles will hate me more after he reads this, so my face is all like XD, but seriously, it's nothing personal, bro).

My end game after death was to get the Mafia and Town to a decent ratio before it was a completed confusion clusterfuck, likely resulting in a mafia win, but I didn't and still don't care who wins because the whole pretext of this was absolutely hilarious.

Random, out of place thoughts in my head:
  • If Teddy-Son had a player with a similar play style to him, it would be Malas in this game.
  • I lmao'd hard on #85's "My mind is full of fuck" Jackie Chan meme after my reply hinting that I was the cop.

    Anyway, overall I had enough fun to dick around in this role, thereby somewhat showing a combination of a nihilistic and narcissistic side of myself.

    • April 26, 2012
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    LLight

    Generally if you're a townie and you're falsely role claiming, it screws the town because there's no other way to verify your role unless you die

    I still (and now) firmly believe in a vote No Kill strategy for an X number of rounds because you can make a few more educated analyses on other people before forming criteria where it starts to really go downhill on a lopsided end of round ratio after outlining the possible sets of outcomes.

    April 26, 2012
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    LLight

    #85 has been quiet this game, felt him out in a discussion during the first game because I know he frequents Spirituality so he's not that stupid either. This is off for him because he's usually more active. Could be busy, playing the passive mafia role strategy, or he's the Vigilante. Don't know yet, but I'd be interested to find out.

    April 26, 2012
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    LLight

    The Vigilante was also stupid for killing Xhin after I hinted at the kill on MM9 before my death.

    April 26, 2012
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    LLight

    Roxas is throwing accusations out left and right. Hahaha...

    April 27, 2012
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    LLight

    Yeah. I couldn't care less who wins this game. I'd probably rather the mafia win just to end it now, because I don't feel like 1 point for being on the winning team is worth the wait.

    April 27, 2012
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    Zanic

    I never get any point anyway, Llight is just a smart ass. He is too smart smart for his own good.

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    I'm just... the talk of the town!

    April 27, 2012
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    LLight

    Yeah you are. And most of the town is cursing you. ;)

    April 27, 2012
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    white lancer

    Yeah you are. And most of the town is cursing you. ;)

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    Oh come on, it's not about winning or losing. It's just how you play the game. [/clichebuttrue] I played cop the way I wanted to, I'm good.

    April 27, 2012
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    LLight

    The Roxas/Knuckles tag team is monstrously facepalm worthy under the assumption of a mafia role.

    April 27, 2012
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    LLight

    I guess you aren't as smart as I thought. Ohh yes, but its not just the two of them. There is a third a stupid guy who knows not what he is doing.

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    Explain?

    Damn it Llight, I know your reading this. You should of spoke up while you had the chance. You screwed us all over. - Knuckles

    {troll}

    April 27, 2012
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    LLight

    You are smart, figure it out yourself.

    But seriously this is nothing new. You playing with us all the time. You talk too much and make confuse us with your stats I can't always follow about what you talk about.

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    I was joking, LLight. I'm over it. :)

    April 27, 2012
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    white lancer

    There is literally no reason #85 should have saved Majora that round. The only thing that does is give #85 a point at the end of the game.

    April 27, 2012
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    white lancer

    Non-Lancer are you silly? 85 saved Majora because he was the mafia! A thug protects his other mafia member so that that person will live.

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    That's what Malas said before he voted me out. I'm just interested to hear your perspective other than not understanding. It defeats a great many brain farts when you start to understand things.

    April 27, 2012
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    LLight

    I will never understand this game.

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    To be honest, I was too busy batting off mobs of you accusator-type characters to care. Majora was simply brilliant so it was believable for anyone to defend him even though the type of sense he made was in favour of the greatest loss scenario. I was a bit biased in that train of thought after I investigated Majora and confirmed my suspicion and #85 has generally been very quiet for reasons that I can't ascertain. It's perfectly possible though, I'd have to engage his character to figure it out if I really wanted to know.

    April 27, 2012
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    LLight

    Okay, he was the thug, lol. Explains. He played a Shadowwalked inspired strategy. It's what I would have suggested the godfather do if I was mafia.

    Since you're the first mafioso to die, be easy on the spoilers, please.

    April 27, 2012
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    LLight

    What are you talking about Llightbulb?

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    I wonder how many people are playing this game unfairly, through IMs and other forms of communication.

    On another note, did anyone else picture LLight as Light Yagami from Death Note during this game?

    April 27, 2012
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    Bubba

    I think it could be a good choice to save Majora on 85's part. I mean, Majora could be the executioner or some other mafia with a powerful role.

    April 27, 2012
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    Zanic

    Now that you mention it I don't picture him as Light but as L instead.

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    Good move Xhin. I'd like to point out that I called it that you were fake claiming vigilante but noone listened.

    And man, you guys are Gettin WORKED. We gonna win this for sure{8D}

    April 27, 2012
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    #85

    I knew he was not a vigilante didn't seem right and Roxas and Knuckles did not believe it either. I knew you were a Mafia.

    Tell me does this seem familiar "ohh no we can't say no kill now it would be better to do it now then later!"? And in this game you went all "NO KILL!" on us. But I wasn't gonna tell everyone I'm never correct.

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    I was less active than I usually am, but that was because of exams rather than me trying to fly under the radar.

    April 27, 2012
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    #85

    That's fine I was just joking around anyway. Everyone knows when you do no kill you look suspicous you said so last game. :)

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    I think it could be a good choice to save Majora on 85's part. I mean, Majora could be the executioner or some other mafia with a powerful role.

    It doesn't help the Mafia to save Majora since the Vigilante (if they have any sense) will probably kill him during the night. All #85's move did was confirm Majora as Mafia and reveal himself as another member of the Mafia.

    April 27, 2012
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    white lancer

    I thought thugs were SUPPOSED to protect other members of the mafia is that not there only role?

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    The move may look dumb now, but there was strategy behind it.

    April 27, 2012
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    #85

    Alright, but color me skeptical. Since the Vigilante acts before the Mafia do in the night, Majora won't even get to silence anyone if he's the Silencer, and he didn't execute anyone, so I'm not seeing it. Unless you're trying to take suspicion off of someone who voiced suspicion over you, but that hardly seems worth it. Especially since all you needed to do to win was find and eliminate the Vigilante, since you would be able to silence a Townie and keep them from voting. With a two-vote gap between the Mafia and Town, though, that's not possible.

    You guys are still probably going to win, as the Town pretty much has to be correct in all of its guesses (and I don't have that much faith in this town), but that move may have made it harder.

    April 27, 2012
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    white lancer

    I don't want to spoil it for you, we were unbelievably close to playing a perfect game.

    April 27, 2012
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    #85

    Now you're hyping it up, let's lynch him in the afterlife.

    But nah, I see MM9 as the mastermind who is holding leadership. The Vigilante would be stupid to not kill him this night round. If he kills Feral, then it's Feral's fault because he has the tools to clear his name.

    Oh and Yeano basically sanctioned OoG talk in the registration round. Refer to my conversation with Shadowwalked. Though, I don't need to do exchanging since I already have most of you, so that's not really cheating. The town suffers from bad players who need people with leadership qualities to guide them, so it's more believable that you think you're going to win.

    April 27, 2012
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    LLight

    If Shadowwalked isn't mafia then he's probably going to be silenced again. Everyone else isn't as convincing. I forgot about the Silencer role, so that means Feral might have been silenced last round. Wasn't paying as much attention to the non-talkers this round.

    April 27, 2012
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    LLight

    MM has got to be the leader here. The vigilante not killing him this round would be insane.

    April 27, 2012
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    Bubba

    It doesn't help the Mafia to save Majora since the Vigilante (if they have any sense) will probably kill him during the night. All #85's move did was confirm Majora as Mafia and reveal himself as another member of the Mafia.


    This move puzzles me too.

    April 27, 2012
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    CtR Black

    Like I said, either MM is running the show or they just slipped up and didn't think about it. Would like to see the explanation behind it.

    April 27, 2012
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    Bubba

    The new rule regarding the executioner should be noted. Will be something to watch for in futures games.

    April 27, 2012
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    Bubba

    Llight can you teach me how to play with everyone's heads?

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    I'm surprised this night round is going on so long. It should be a no-brainer for the Vig to kill Majora; maybe the Mafia just haven't decided who to kill yet. They're probably trying to figure out who is likely to be the Vig.

    April 27, 2012
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    white lancer

    There was another night round that lasted this long as well I think.

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    I'll be interested to see who the other Mafia members are. #85 and Majora are confirmed, but beyond that I'm not really sure. Roxas, chiefsonny, and Malas or Redack stick out the most to me. No clue on Helius. Feral's a confirmed Townie and Knukles strikes me as a follower. Hezekiah and Shadow are decent suspicions but I doubt both Shadow and Roxas are Mafia and Hezekiah didn't need to make the post he did at the start of the round.

    The Vig is almost certainly someone who didn't vote for LLight in Round 2, because they didn't take him out that night despite that being the plan we came up with. That's Helius, Shadow, chief, or Hezekiah. I would be shocked if at least one of those 4 wasn't in the Mafia, and I could see it being as many as 3, so if the Mafia thinks along those lines they probably have a 1/3 or better chance of hitting the Vig.

    April 27, 2012
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    white lancer

    Whoever the silencer is, I'm gonna be pissed at them.

    April 27, 2012
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    Zanic

    still interested in why the vig killed me or teddy.

    If i was killed by the vig then this would be the second time. And the only reason i ever die

    if the vig kills marjora and hes the silencer, would the person he tries to silence be silenced?

    and if the vig fucks up again thats game.

    April 27, 2012
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    CtR Black

    I was killed by the mafia most likely. I was told that I should not even imply that I have a special role other then them or they will kill said person.

    But man, they should have trusted me, I am a doctor.

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    if the vig kills marjora and hes the silencer, would the person he tries to silence be silenced?

    Nope. The Vigilante's actions come before the Mafia's actions. This actually happened in Game 2 when the Vigilante (chiefsonny) killed the Silencer (Black Yoshi), and the Townie Yoshi tried to silence (Roxas).

    And yeah, it makes way more sense for the Vig to have killed CtR. It's definitely better not to imply that you have a special role, except maybe near the end of the game or if you're about to get lynched, because otherwise a smart Mafia will target you.

    April 27, 2012
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    white lancer

    I would like to request another no vig game

    April 27, 2012
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    CtR Black

    Well, it depends on which roles I put in and how I have to balance the game.

    I will likely include, at the very least, Ghoul and Double-voter again, but potentially Governor and Executioner too since none of them have been able to use their powers this game.

    April 27, 2012
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    Yeano

    #85 I missed youuu

    Also spoilers @ me posting here before the Night results were posted way to go Yeano!

    EDIT: I mean "gterher"

    April 27, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    If you are still around I would like you too answer this please Yeano.

    If we can't talk dead then what is the point of this thread? Also is asking someone if you will play while the game is on against the rules? Also what is the point of having a Ghoul is it can die?

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    If we can't talk dead then what is the point of this thread?

    You can talk while Dead if it is in the Dead Thread, but you cannot talk anywhere else!

    Also is asking someone if you will play while the game is on against the rules?

    Not really, but if someone posts particular information depending on the situation (such as dead or silenced), it could be considered against the rules.

    Also what is the point of having a Ghoul is it can die?

    Because making it immortal makes it overpowered. Plus, if the Ghoul was "killed" but didn't die and then suddenly the mafia ratio went up, it would be obvious who to kill.

    April 27, 2012
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    Yeano

    Dammit hezekiah, why did you reveal yourself over messenger? I sacrificed myself precisely so you'd stay alive.

    April 27, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    well if they lynch the wrong person thats game

    April 27, 2012
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    CtR Black

    Thank Yeano

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    hezekiah the Vigilante, really? He could have at least tried to agree with me. I only made sense.

    I'd also like to point out that since Redack didn't act on my contingency plan which is not in effect, might indicate that he's the godfather, a suck up to the rules, or IM ignorer. I also didn't start IM'ing people until Xhin IM'd me.

    April 27, 2012
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    LLight

    And now I am a ghost and everyone should be scared of me.

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    Majoras! Sup brah. The town is screwed unless all the picks are flawless

    April 27, 2012
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    #85

    Never trust a guy who is trying to use the moon to destroy the world.

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    Just to clarify some stuff after reading through the dead thread:

    -The mafia killed Xhin, and hezekiah killed white lancer in that one round when Xhin claimed vigilante. We also silenced white lancer (if we silenced someone else we would have auto-won :( ). TBH we weren't really expecting that to happen!

    -#85 only saved me because the thug auto-saves anyone that dies as mafia, which seems stupid to me. I don't recall him ever saying he wanted to save me in the mafia thread.

    -"I was able to identify MajorasMask9 after a few volleys going back an fourth about his high risk strategy of role reveal, despite the fact that I outlined exactly why it's bad to reveal your role and I gave some examples from previous games (Knuckles and MajorasMask9 specific examples). " -LLight

    I still think that roleclaims can be beneficial in most cases, but honestly in these games it's much less beneficial due to the amount of vanilla townies. If everyone had relatively special--unique--roles, mass roleclaims would be hugely benficial. I still argue with your examples of roleclaims turning out bad. For one: both of those instances were town-sided roles falsely claiming, which isn't good since the idea of roleclaims relies on the town always telling the truth and the mafia always lying. However, in my case, I still think that doing that gave us a better statistical shot at winning than had I not done that. The cultists thought for sure that I was the mason when the real one was Zanic, so had they targeted Zanic at any time in those two nights, we would have won. Though in this particular game I was arguing just to argue with you :).

    But yeah as far as this game goes I'd be pretty freaking shocked if the mafia doesn't win.

    Majoras! Sup brah. The town is screwed unless all the picks are flawless

    Hell ya they are!

    April 27, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    Are you saying Majora, that you are NOT a mafia member?

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    No, I was the executioner!

    Hey #85 look who has the most votes in the day round so far

    April 27, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    So you are apart of the Mafia then. I was just confused.

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    -The mafia killed Xhin, and hezekiah killed white lancer in that one round when Xhin claimed vigilante. We also silenced white lancer (if we silenced someone else we would have auto-won :( ). TBH we weren't really expecting that to happen!

    Ah bad move after discovering that I was the cop, imo. Since it was hezekiah, I don't quite get why he did that. Also, your death ruins my contingency plan.

    April 27, 2012
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    LLight

    This is hilarious, Feral still has the opportunity to clear his name. Why, what's going on? Did he not catch on?

    For one: both of those instances were town-sided roles falsely claiming, which isn't good since the idea of roleclaims relies on the town always telling the truth and the mafia always lying. However, in my case, I still think that doing that gave us a better statistical shot at winning than had I not done that.

    I was implicating that a role claim is bad when a town sided role does it. The mason/cultist role claim as I pointed out, was not your fault. It caused the other masons to fault, but at the same time they wouldn't have known you were a townie or cultist. If the masons did not recruit you, picking them could have made a kill which could have been used on a random target because if you were a townie, the cultists might have better avoided you and had another chance at someone else they weren't afraid of picking.

    April 27, 2012
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    LLight

    So, including Feral in your "well played" post was just to fuck with the town?

    April 27, 2012
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    hezekiah

    Including Feral was to force him to reveal my list of investigations, so that either indicates obliviousness or mafia at this point.

    April 27, 2012
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    LLight

    I was kind of confused with LLight including Feral in the post but as he said it didn't look like an actual accusation.

    TBH I was hoping Feral would believe my claim that LLight never checked me, since I knew Feral was innocent. In that particular round if we could have gotten even one townie to vote with us we would have won it right there. But Feral had to be difficult :(.

    April 27, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    Xhin, what do you mean in 1335564128 by "reveal over messenger"?

    April 27, 2012
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    hezekiah

    Xhin, what do you mean in 1335564128 by "reveal over messenger"?

    In the mafia thread, Shadowwalked told us that you told him you were the vigilante.

    Shadow is mafia btw.

    April 27, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    I was thinking of investigating him because he was player that's hard to figure out. There are a few of you who I would put in this category.

    April 27, 2012
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    LLight

    Bah, why did you kill me, Hezekiah? The only reason I was suspicious was that I was defending LLight (which is a bad reason to be suspicious of me anyway), so when he died there shouldn't have been any reason I was guilty. Especially since he was the Cop and cleared my name in the day round.

    Guess it wouldn't have changed much since I was silenced anyway (which I actually expected). And I had no idea the Thug *had* to die to protect a fellow Mafia member in the day round as well as the night.

    April 27, 2012
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    white lancer

    For the record, I was against the OOG talk when I first heard of it. I still am, but it's really a case of "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em". And honestly, I wouldn't have suspected Shadow had the game progressed any further; my suspicions were basically Feral, Roxas, Chief.

    Admittedly, my sense of mafia was way off this game. First CtR, then lancer, then LLight (why wasn't he Executioner'd during Day 2?), then Shadow.

    April 27, 2012
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    hezekiah

    Haha I told you why I wasn't executed in Day 2 but you wouldn't believe in that possibility so I started suspecting you.

    April 27, 2012
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    LLight

    I can't access my notes any more (they're in the Vig thread), but there was one post you made after I accused you of being mafia where you did a pretty careful non-denial. There were a couple other things, too, that I can't totally recall, that made me think of you as suspicious.


    Based on the rules posted, I don't see why the Thug had to take that hit for Majora. And in fact, based on the way it's written, that kept the Mafia from winning during the last night round (I for sure would've hit Feral had the Thug not saved Majora).

    April 27, 2012
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    hezekiah

    It was actually a really good move not to Execute LLight during Day 2. I think I tried pointing this out several times during that day, but the Mafia assumed that LLight would be saved by the Governor so executing him wouldn't do any good. It was better to not execute him and thus throw suspicion on him, and that worked to perfection.

    I was almost convinced you were Mafia, hezekiah, since you cast the vote that made LLight eligible for an Executioner kill on Day 3.

    April 27, 2012
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    white lancer

    why wasn't he Executioner'd during Day 2?

    With the governor still alive, an executioner kill would have been pointless. The governor would have stopped it, and at that point LLight would have looked pretty innocent in the town's eyes regardless of any arguing we could have done. Keeping LLight alive was also a good distraction.

    Based on the rules posted, I don't see why the Thug had to take that hit for Majora. And in fact, based on the way it's written, that kept the Mafia from winning during the last night round (I for sure would've hit Feral had the Thug not saved Majora).

    Yeah, in the mafia thread the role description was a bit different. It basically said that if someone that's mafia gets nightkilled or lynched, the thug will die in their place. It also said that they'd have the option to die in place of a townie during a lynch, though.

    April 27, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    Thug - The Thug will take a beating for the Mafia. In fact, if a member of the Mafia is targeted to be killed during a night round, the Thug will die instead! Additionally, the Thug can choose to lynch himself instead of someone else. Since this role is supposed to die for a Mafia member, this player earns +1 points if he dies to save a Mafia member.

    I think the indication of choice is what makes it auto-death. No one pointed out that tricky wording so no one but the mafia got it.

    April 27, 2012
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    LLight

    Except the governor and doctor were convinced that I was mafia so there was no way they would have saved me, but the mafia didn't know that at the time.

    April 27, 2012
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    LLight

    As I understood it, the Governor simply had to say (in his own thread?) that he wants no kills during the day round, without knowing if any kills would've happened.

    I blame Yeano for changing rules every game (especially how what he apparently told the mafia concerning the thug doesn't match what's in the [h:231|roles list])

    April 27, 2012
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    hezekiah

    Also, if Yeano reads this and decides to update the description for roles in the Roles List document, you might want to add the part about executioner kills taking place at the same time as the end-of-day lynching.

    The description you had in the mafia thread mentioned that fact, but the Roles List didn't, which some people were confused about in the main thread. I remember they expected LLight to just drop dead mid-day or something to that effect.

    April 27, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    They weren't clear at the time because he didn't say when it happens.

    April 27, 2012
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    LLight

    I always assumed the Executioner killed at the end of the day, but I guess I could see why that's unclear.

    April 27, 2012
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    white lancer

    Ultimately, the town was done for well before I role revealed (and the town still theoretically has a chance at it). I had been talking general town strategy with Shadow, and also was planning to push for Feral to get either lynched or Vigilante'd. That, coupled with the silencer being still out there, would've sealed it for the Mafia:

    3/5 ratio with one silenced (let's say Knukles, just because) is essentially 3/4. Feral was (and is) the obvious lynch target.
    Night 5 would've seen the ratio drop to either 2/3 or 3/2 (if I hit a mafia or townie. Based on what I thought prior to dying, I'd have ended up hitting a townie (but not saying who, to try and minimize spoilers for those who care)).

    Even if it got to 2/3, I would've considered Shadow one of the townies, leaving essentially another 50:50 choice.

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    hezekiah

    I was planning on updating the roles after the game.

    You people demanding clarity! Why can't you read my mind?

    Anyway, here's the funniest night (in my opinion) actions:

    Vigilante kills CtR Black (the Governor)
    Mafia kills white lancer and silences CtR Black (but he is dead, so it is useless).
    Cop waffles between checking white lancer and CtR Black, and chooses CtR Black (but the choice didn't matter because both candidates died).

    So everyone got screwed over by that round

    April 27, 2012
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    Yeano

    Bah-ram you I can still kill you.

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    Mafia kills white lancer

    Hey! They didn't kill me. >:-{ But CtR certainly was popular that round. Too bad the Doctor didn't like him XD

    I don't think I would have gotten Shadow if I had stayed in. Feral never really seemed suspicious to me, though, even when he was convinced I was Mafia.

    April 27, 2012
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    white lancer

    I didn't post all my thoughts in the cop thread.

    April 27, 2012
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    LLight

    Hey I gotta ask now that Majora and 85 are dead, why did you guys kill me? I was the doctor, I could have saved you!

    April 27, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    Yeah, it was kind of funny how our silencing targets on Days 2 and 3 were both vigilante targets. Shadow was pretty upset at that!

    Hey I gotta ask now that Majora and 85 are dead, why did you guys kill me? I was the doctor, I could have saved you!

    To be honest, we knew you were a power role, but we thought you were the cop.

    Also I do hope you try to use the Ghoul and Double-Voter again in the near future, Yeano. Kind of sad that none of the new roles got to use their abilities.

    April 27, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    I was really excited about the ghoul, but Bubba died right off the bat.

    April 28, 2012
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    LLight

    Honestly, the most deadly combos for the opposing team are if the Ghoul becomes the Cop or the Silencer.

    April 28, 2012
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    Yeano

    You know, I kind of admit that we had a little bit of an unfair advantage in the beginning. Back when Xhin first implemented his vote system during night 1, if you made a post in a role-specific thread it automatically made you cast a vote. Since vanilla townies couldn't post anywhere in the forum, anyone who casted a vote before the day started was confirmed to be a special role. I think all of the mafia members casted a vote beore the day started, and Bubba and Teddy did as well. That was why Yeano made the "Chat" post before Day 1 started, as it made it sort of cover up the vote system situation.

    I argued a case for Bubba being the cop, since he casted a vote for Malas in Xhin's vote system. I assumed that he thought the vote system was to be used to tell Yeano who he wanted to use a night action on, and since there were no killing actions, I had him down as either the cop or the ghoul.

    So yeah that was why we killed you first Bubba. Nothing personal! :(

    April 28, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    Yes! It worked! Also hezekiah did you actually target ctr black? I completely guessed on that one.

    April 28, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    Also llight how are you getting into the mafia thread? I always make myself a host after i die -- this time i just programmed it in.

    April 28, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    Also I do hope you try to use the Ghoul and Double-Voter again in the near future, Yeano. Kind of sad that none of the new roles got to use their abilities.

    Thanks to your stupid little silencing buddy -.-

    April 28, 2012
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    Zanic

    Yes, I hit CtR the first time out.

    April 28, 2012
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    hezekiah

    Ah well its fine, I just wanted to know and now I do. Next time I will not imply that I have a special role and just be myself. That way you will never know what role I have cause myself is mostly silly.

    April 28, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    I told you how I got in with a blind post by post ID and decided not to patch it, then you figured out the rest on your own when you patched it so that only logged in users could get in.

    I didn't notice the random vote cast identification because the game and round always started after I went to sleep and I didn't see who was online at the time to make the corroboration.

    April 28, 2012
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    LLight

    I'd love to go in the main thread and tell Shadow he was wrong!

    April 28, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    You would probably get points deducted for doing that.

    April 28, 2012
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    LLight

    That's why I am not going to but I am so tempted...

    Shadow knows how to get people to him. I am almsot certain Shadow is a mafia.

    And old LLight's probably over in the Dead Thread laughing his ass off.

    Chief is right about that.

    April 28, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    It appears the mafia is trying to confuse Knukles with their superior numbers.

    April 28, 2012
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    hezekiah

    "He is Mafia and when he's killed off we win. Good job townies."

    Not the most brilliant statement. I might consider this a Freudian slip if I were playing...

    Interesting that even Knukles caught on to how off it is.

    April 28, 2012
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    Yeano

    Damnit hezekiah, you're feeding Shadowwalked, but at least that gives him a chance. I can't believe he couldn't get the hint. XD lmao, even though the information is false they could easily spin it.

    April 28, 2012
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    LLight

    I know for a fact that Knuckles and Roxas are not Mafia you will find out soon enough.

    April 28, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    You could pull a Goku and instant transmission back from the dead for a moment.

    April 28, 2012
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    LLight

    I want to so bad.

    April 28, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    LLight: Only thing I said to Shadow was that you made a post-death post (which is technically false, anyway).

    SPOILERS BELOW

    Teddy: You're right about those two. Feral and Malas are the other two townies. For those keeping score at home, that means Shadow, Chief and Helius are mafia.

    April 28, 2012
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    hezekiah

    Teddy: You're right about those two. Feral and Malas are the other two townies. For those keeping score at home, that means Shadow, Chief and Helius are mafia.

    How do you know?

    April 28, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    [spoiler]they exist.[/spoiler] Spoiler tags, bro.

    wtf my spoiler tags are broken.

    April 28, 2012
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    LLight

    Llight or Hez, please explain how you found out!

    April 28, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    Shadow told me. Pretty sure he's done lying to me now :-P

    Naturally, don't be an ass who uses this info to meddle in the game.

    April 28, 2012
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    hezekiah

    If you are telling me not to be an ass to meddle with the game the I wont, I am not Llight.

    April 28, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    *rolls over in grave* Someone had to make that joke. :) The hint's effectiveness expired midway through the round.

    April 28, 2012
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    LLight

    Umm wut? I think you misunderstood my meddling.

    April 28, 2012
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    LLight

    Wasn't directed specifically at you Teddy, just figure it's the sort of thing you can't say too many times.

    April 28, 2012
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    hezekiah

    I understand and Llight's you are just too good. But nothing lasts forever -wink-

    April 28, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    Interesting that even Knukles caught on to how off it is.

    Yeah...too bad he and Feral didn't actually do anything with that. I'm impressed that Knux didn't just jump on the Feral bandwagon right away (he learned his lesson from the LLight debacle), but he gave in at the end.

    April 28, 2012
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    white lancer

    Now that we have some mafia under the ground with us....

    whose idea was it to kill me?

    And it sounds like I'm gonna have to dust off my AIM handle for the next game.

    April 28, 2012
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    Bubba

    Ohh I want to got together on AIM with everyone Teddy0415

    April 28, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    And who's the freaking silencer?

    April 28, 2012
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    Zanic

    oh no double post

    April 28, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    Shadow is the silencer.

    Oh Helius why did you not vote for Feral when you had the chance :(!

    @Bubba: mostly my idea. Mentioned it in an earlier reply. We found out that you were a special role, and I personally thought you were the cop. If we didn't know you were a special role we probably never would have killed you so early since it was your first game here, I felt kind of bad about that.

    Not the most brilliant statement. I might consider this a Freudian slip if I were playing...

    I still remember chief saying that his biggest fear after #85 and I die was that he'd say something stupid and cost the game for the mafia. While I don't think that statement will ruin the game for the mafia, I just kind of find it a little funny that he actually did say something he'd regret later.

    Right now the votes are split between two townies and one mafia, with at least one townie voting for each person. If one townie switches votes to Feral or Knukles it's a mafia win. If chief gets lynched this round, I'm sure either Feral or Knukles will go next. I assume the mafia would kill Roxas and silence Redack. We good.

    April 28, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    Ahh, Damn. Malas was just me testing out the system. Roxas was my one and only shot in the dark guess.

    April 28, 2012
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    Bubba

    I told you how I got in with a blind post by post ID and decided not to patch it, then you figured out the rest on your own when you patched it so that only logged in users could get in.

    When did Xhin patch it?

    April 28, 2012
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    Bubba

    Game 1, the other one is easy to do.

    I guess we'll find out when the game ends, but I really want to know why hezekiah chose to kill white lancer. This move seemed like a misplay which is why I thought it was the mafia who killed lancer.

    April 28, 2012
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    LLight

    Like I said, I don't have access to my notes since they're in the vigilante thread. But from what I can recall:

    I was unclear on the Executioner/Governor interaction, so I thought we'd know if the Governor stopped kills. This made me more convinced that LLight was mafia. However, I didn't hit him that night because I figured we'd have the numbers to lynch him during Day 3.
    I didn't hit Xhin because there were any number of ways it could've played out from there, and I liked my chances of hitting a mafia.
    As I recall, lancer was somebody I saw mafia-esque behavior from during both of the first coup--


    Aw shit. Wrong round.

    April 28, 2012
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    hezekiah

    Something about LLight casting suspicion on lancer early in the round (and the "it's not lancer" post did nothing but confuse me), coupled with a feeling I had.
    I figured that, if the mafia didn't hit Xhin during Night 3, I'd get him during Night 4 (unless he gave me ample reason to believe he was simply a townie).

    April 28, 2012
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    hezekiah

    1335220362 - Majora and Roxas
    1335225343 - Majora and lancer
    1335226186 - Xhin (more observation than suspicion)
    1335230821 - "It's not lancer" ???
    1335231191 - Shadowwalked is NOT mafia
    1335237427 - Helius says LLight is innocent, points finger at me
    1335266399 - "Well played Mask" (Majora)
    1335287086 - Lancer didn't deny being mafia. Think he'll be my target
    1335293468 - Xhin has some... interesting... ideas.
    1335298219 - Xhin was "90% sure" about LLight being the cop
    1335317999 - LLight mentions Malas. Nothing too special said

    Yes, my target will be white lancer.

    Majora is just too obvious of a target (LLight gave him props for his play), he should be very lynchable tomorrow. Hopefully I don't fuck shit up any worse than it's already fucked up.

    April 28, 2012
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    Yeano

    That's the post I was thinking of, yep. Was pretty much everything that jumped out on me while deciding who to lynch during Night 3.

    April 28, 2012
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    hezekiah

    Ah, I remember that post. At that point I was just so frustrated because it seemed like everyone was ignoring everything I said because they had already made up their minds that I was Mafia. I did follow it up with a long and logical post about how my actions/strategies, if carried out, would never benefit the Mafia (which I still think is true)--I didn't expect saying "I'm not Mafia" again would convince anyone I was innocent.

    April 28, 2012
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    white lancer

    I'm impressed that Feral called out Shadow, though he lost sight of Helius at the same time. I don't think I would have caught on to Shadow this game--I was too suspicious of Roxas.

    April 28, 2012
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    white lancer

    He's an evasive one because he normally jumps in near the end of the game. He'd by on my list of people to investigate in any game because it's usually hard to tell. I listed a bunch of you one round. Thinking of retracting Roxas from it since he decided to witch hunt and didn't/doesn't add anything to the discussion.

    Shadowwalked and chief are both using the same not provable "LLight investigate me and I was innocent."

    April 28, 2012
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    LLight

    So what's going on, anything interesting?

    April 28, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    Well the mafia's confirming their votes for Feral, it doesn't look like he'll be able to change the minds of the remaining townies.

    April 28, 2012
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    hezekiah

    Hmmm interesting and Feral with die for nothing. And I saw that Knuckles was being silly again.

    Chief has to be the Godfather, Helius told me he is not.

    April 28, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    Redack just confirmed his vote for Feral, so I imagine the round/game will end when yeano gets back.

    Spoilers I guess, but Helius was the godfather, Teddy.

    April 28, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    I guess he never said yes or no so eh...

    April 28, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    And Knukles puts his fingers on all three remaining Mafia, too late for it to do any good.

    April 29, 2012
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    white lancer

    Now only if the townie wild card is capable of winning the game. I'd be very impressed. He's had some experiencing in trying to identify people posting under proxies. Annnd I forgot when the game ends.

    Also, I pretty much said to Feral "check the game 3 registrations".

    April 29, 2012
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    LLight

    I saw your message, LLight, but failed to find the clue you left. By this round, I had forgotten about.

    I pretty much new what was what, but knew I couldn't prove anything. I had Knuckles, but Malas was enigmatic and didn't say much. With my acusing Redack, I couln't possibly convince him. Roxas was silenced.

    BTW, Helius is a dick for dragging out the game(and my nerves) when he could have ended it yesterday night.

    On the bright side, I won my side bet by correctly pointing out Chief and Shadow. They both owe me a confession that I out-witted and terrified them.

    April 29, 2012
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    Feral

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