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game 4 mafia thread

Posted April 18, 2012 by Yeano

Hello, Mafia! You have a rather LARGE army this time. Let's meet the team!

Helius is the Godfather. He will show up as Town-Aligned when checked by a Cop. He also breaks a tie in killing votes.

MajorasMask9 is the Executioner. If a person, at any time during the day round, has at least 1/3 of the total votes cast against him or her, the Executioner can post in this thread saying that he wants to kill that person. At the end of the day round, that person will die in addition to the person who gets lynched. This skill CAN be used on multiple people on one day. (For example, if there is a three-way tie with all three people having 1/3 of the votes, the Executioner can choose the kill all three of them). The Executioner must put kill requests in this thread BEFORE the day round ends.

Shadowwalked is the Silencer. Every day, the Silencer can choose one person to silence. That person cannot talk or pardon someone during that day. The same person cannot be silenced two days in a row.

#85 is the Thug. If a Mafia member is killed at night, #85 will die instead. If a Mafia member is lynched during the day, #85 will be lynched instead. Additionally, #85 can choose to be lynched in place of ANYONE else by posting in this thread specifying who to be lynched in place of BEFORE the day round ends. #85 earns 1 player point for dying to save a Mafia member.

chiefsonny is a Mafioso.

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Thuglife

April 18, 2012
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#85

Well all I can say for now is.
Thank God there are some people in the Mafia group that are good playes. Not including myself of course.{:(}

The one other time I was a Mafia, I had Knux with me.

Be back later.

April 18, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Poor town

April 18, 2012
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MajorasMask9

So if I understand this right, if we can try and get at least 6 votes for one townie then MajorasMask9 can take them out.

AWESOME!

Any ideas? It should be easy to get 6 people to vote for Knux{O:-)}

April 18, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Fuck yeah, finally a role where I can be a manipulative son of a bitch.

So fellows in arms, who shall be the one to silence? I think it might be interesting enough to target someone inexperienced, rather than someone who knows the game well. Reason being that if they accidentally talk (Not seeing their role change to "Silenced"), we get one kill right at the start. Of course, someone who is that unobservant can also be a great addition to misleading the town as a whole, but I'll leave that up to you guys to decide.

On the other hand, we can target those who are always rather observant when it comes to this game, and go ahead and weed them out before they become a hassle for us in the end.

April 19, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Might be a good idea to kill off Redack. Might make it look like Lancer, Zanic, or me did it. Obviously, I'm going to come up not guilty. Though our night actions might be useless depending on how actions resolve.

April 19, 2012
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Helius

Well right now we can't kill anyone, but Shadowwalked can silence (no kills on night 0 etc).

Also, speaking of manipulation, I kind of think we should keep Teddy alive as long as possible. He seems kind of confused about how the game works and would probably be easy to get to vote with us in the lategame. Don't think we'd really need to silence him or anything, but yeah.

Don't really think we'd need to silence LLight. He'll probably just throw some statistics and say we should no-kill. Silencing Knukles seems like it wouldn't really help us much either.

I dunno! Silence whoever you feel like :).

April 19, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Oh son of a bitch when I replied it made me cast a vote in Xhin's vote system. Hope no one finds that suspicious, normal townies don't seem to be able to vote right now.

April 19, 2012
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MajorasMask9

There now it's a silly vote :)

EDIT: For the sake of not looking potentially suspicious, maybe it would be best if you guys edited your posts from up top instead of making new ones until this is sorted out.

Bubba just casted a vote, meaning he's a power town-sided role. Since the vigilante doesn't kill today, and the governor doesn't do anything until the day round, I'd say he's either the cop, doc, or ghoul.

April 19, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Host kill yes!

Silence Llight? It might be best he stay quiet for the first round or we could just silence Redack... I bet he doesn't realize the rules yet.

April 19, 2012
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Helius

Xhin or Yeano needs to fix this new system. If we can see that Bubba voted, then all the people in special roles can see who is voting at night. And can we assume that at the beginning of the day round, everyone can see who voted at night.
Won't take long for someone like Redack or LLight to come up with a list of who we are.
It shows me voting for Aragni_Darkness and I've yet to vote.

I think Redack would be a good choice to silence. Since it's the first time he played it may throw him off a little.

April 19, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

First night can't anyway{:(}

April 19, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Xhin or Yeano needs to fix this new system.

I can't do a thing about it.

But now I will be listed as voting too.

April 19, 2012
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Yeano

Alright, I'll go ahead and silence Redack then.

April 19, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Smooth @ chat post

April 19, 2012
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MajorasMask9

@Shadowwalked.

Just wanted to run this by everyone before night round expired.

Is it a good idea to silence anyone the first night?

Or should we wait and see how they're going to post, if they take the time to post. Just a thought.

April 19, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Well, it may tip the way goes the first round if Redack is silenced. Like I said the usual suspects in that is well... me, Lancer, and Zanic

April 19, 2012
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Helius

By the way, I know this is entirely cheap and I almost hate doing it, but it's information none the less:

Both Teddy and Bubba have power roles, and they're most likely either the cop, doctor, or ghoul. They both made a vote in that vote system before going into Yeano's chat thread.

Based on the votes that were cast and the people that talked in Yeano's chat thread, you could figure out that Helius, chiefsonny, and I are some sort of power role (since it says "changed vote to ___" instead of "voted for ____" in our first votes in that thread, implying we voted in a different thread beforehand). And Shadowwalked could potentially be suspected if anyone saw the vote list before it was taken down.

y u gotta break the game when I'm finally mafia xhin :(

April 19, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Or should we wait and see how they're going to post, if they take the time to post. Just a thought.

It might be disorientating enough that it keeps them from ever being a contribution, especially if we get them killed off.

Both Teddy and Bubba have power roles, and they're most likely either the cop, doctor, or ghoul. They both made a vote in that vote system before going into Yeano's chat thread.

It might be useful to know this considering someone could easily know something about us too.

Based on the votes that were cast and the people that talked in Yeano's chat thread, you could figure out that Helius, chiefsonny, and I are some sort of power role (since it says "changed vote to ___" instead of "voted for ____" in our first votes in that thread, implying we voted in a different thread beforehand). And Shadowwalked could potentially be suspected if anyone saw the vote list before it was taken down.

ughghgh that makes things much more complicated. We can only hope that no one saw, or Yeano could scramble the roles of the "good guys", leaving our roles as they are, therefor nullifying suspicion, and keeping us from killing off the good guys too easily. This would at least be helpful since we could keep our current group and our current discussions, and the people in the town sided roles wouldn't really lose much (As they haven't been able to talk to any other townies anyway).

April 19, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Yea, all that who voted for who at the bottom of the threads in that chat post needs to be removed. Before the day round if possible.

April 20, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

The Problem of Teddy: He uses his sweet ignorance of the play to figure things out. I think he is smarter than what we give him credit for. I think we should keep an eye out on him but not off him yet.

April 20, 2012
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Helius

I think he can be used rather efficiently to suit our purposes. As for now, I'm solidifying a more active role this time around to try and prevent myself from coming off as suspicious later on. Although my argument might be a bit counterproductive to our goal, its the same argument I've used as a townie and Doctor the past couple games, and I'd rather not have anything out of the ordinary.

And as for being out of the ordinary, I say we kill off Xhin tonight because that would be hilarious.

April 20, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Xhin probably wouldn't think so... haha.

I'm trying to be myself (and I think I'm being such), but Redack and I talk quite a bit so he may be my undoing.

April 20, 2012
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Helius

Correction, I say we take out Teddy tonight. What he said in the thread was a bit too ominous for my tastes, and as pointed out, Teddy is likely a power role. Worse case scenario is that he's a cop, he's already found one of us out, but doesn't want to reveal his identity yet because he doesn't want to be lynched during the night.

I think that was the slip we needed, men.

April 20, 2012
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Shadowwalked

I'm going to say that he's Governor... I don't think he is cop, but I suppose if we lynch him, we'll find out.

April 20, 2012
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Helius

That's my vote, him having a power role or not. I don't like his little ominous message, but perhaps I'm just being paranoid.

April 20, 2012
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Shadowwalked

I also think Bubba could be a potential cop candidate. I hate the idea of referring to the vote system mishap earlier, but he made a vote for Malas while he was in his power-role thread.

While he could have been trying to be funny, I think he could have assumed that he needed to use the vote system to pick his night target. The vigilante couldn't kill last night, governors don't have night actions, and if he was the doctor I think he'd protect himself for the first night. That would leave cop or ghoul. No solid proof of that though, but yeah we should definitely keep our eyes on and/or kill both Teddy and Bubba.

April 20, 2012
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MajorasMask9

I would say your reasoning is a bit more sound than mine, Majora, so I'll be willing to change my vote to Bubba if that is the final verdict.

April 20, 2012
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Shadowwalked

In wonder what happens when the Ghoul dies? I mean how do we kill it? Suck it up with our ghost vacuums? - Teddy

I think he is being funny, but it makes me wonder.

April 20, 2012
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Helius

Whoever we kill (I think it's safe to say we've limited this to either Teddy or Bubba), we should definitely silence the other one just to be safe.

Unless something craaaazy happens in the last hours of the day round anyway.

April 20, 2012
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MajorasMask9

That would be a wise idea, I'll be sure to silence the other.

April 20, 2012
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Shadowwalked

You may now vote on the person you want to kill {:)}

April 20, 2012
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Yeano

{OO>}

April 20, 2012
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Yeano

Based on the fact he voted in the first night round and the way he talks (which I think may be an act) I'm almost certain Teddy is a special role.

He's got my vote to kill

April 20, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

And I don't know why, but I get bad vibes about CtR Black, just a thought.

April 20, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Been swamped with exams and shit..

I think we should hold off on Teddy for a bit.

April 20, 2012
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#85

After giving it some though, I think it would be best if we didn't silence Bubba in this round if we go through with killing Teddy. If we kill Teddy, and he turns out to not be the cop, silencing Bubba and having them turn out to be the cop might be bad for us:

If Bubba is the cop, he most likely checked Malas in the last round due to his vote, meaning he got an innocent result. If he checks one of us and gets a guilty verdict, I don't think he would reveal this just yet, because one guilty verdict isn't much when you have 3 other checkable mafia members left. If we silenced him tonight, it could draw the doctor's attention to Bubba, and would block us from killing him.

That said I really don't have any input on other silencing targets, I'm just starting to think that silencing Teddy/Bubba might be a bad idea.

I'm up for killing either one of them.

April 20, 2012
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MajorasMask9

If Teddy is an act, its a damned good one. I thought he was thirteen until he posted a picture of him with a beard. I just think he is easily confused.

If #85 wants to hold off on Teddy for a bit, I think it would be easy enough to take out Bubba first, and Teddy night two. In the next day round, they're going to want to random vote for someone, which I hate regardless of my status.

As LLight will certainly be the strongest (And most convincing) one for this strategy, and I'm a bit mixed on whether we should silence him or not.

The plus to this is that we have a high chance he'll execute a random townie.

Still, the risk is still present that the roll will land on us, and I'm not sure if I want to take that chance. I'll leave it up to you guys though.

But as far as voting is concerned, mine is for Bubba.

April 21, 2012
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Shadowwalked

I don't remember. Did Bubba make a post that first night when we could see who was making post?

And do we agree that we do need to take someone out tonight? We need to very carefully bring the odds down to our favor.

I'll go along with the majority on the kill and the silence, but I do think we need to do both.

April 21, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I don't remember. Did Bubba make a post that first night when we could see who was making post?

Yep, he voted for Malas a few minutes after I made my first vote in this thread, which was before normal townies could vote.

I think I'll vote for Bubba.

Can't really say who we should silence. I don't think voting for anyone in particular at this point would have too many implications that could get us in trouble. I think I might want LLight to not be silenced though. He likes it when people look at the game from an objective angle and is more likely to side with people who point things out logically. It seems like it would be easier to get on his good side when you're able to talk with him. I remember in a past game LLight wanted to keep me around because I was being the most objective or something like that, which could be handy if it works similarly this game.

Maybe you could silence someone that didn't say anything in the last round. Based on past games, people get upset at inactive players. If someone is quiet for two rounds someone might take notice and find them suspicious.

EDIT: Looking at the thread I think the only one that didn't talk last round was Zanic. Thought it was more than that tbh!

April 21, 2012
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MajorasMask9

I'm voting to kill Bubba too

Not that I'm against taking Teddy out soon if not next, but i think most people don't take him seriously anyway

April 21, 2012
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#85

Looking at the thread I think the only one that didn't talk last round was Zanic

Feral made one post and did not vote if I remember right. Either one would be ok. Feral don't have that much interest in game in my opinion.

I'm ok with taking out Bubba

April 21, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Reading over the thread since I worked a nine and half hour shift tonight, I'll go with Bubba as well for my vote.

April 21, 2012
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Helius

I'll go ahead and silence Zanic, even though I'm a bit worried about what LLight might do.

April 21, 2012
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Shadowwalked

I think all LLight will do is post some game statistics and explain why we should roll. Willing to bet on that anyway!

April 21, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Seems like our observation was correct. So, I think it goes without saying that we target Teddy next, correct?

April 21, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Let's see how it plays out. I'm gonna try to get the cop to reveal himself since I'm gonna die haha

April 21, 2012
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#85

So, I think it goes without saying that we target Teddy next, correct?

That's what I think we should do.

April 21, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Poor Zanic :).

And yeah we should probably kill Teddy next since we know he's a power role. After that it's whoever we find most suspicious.

April 21, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Based on what Teddy just posted in the Day thread, he's either the Doc or the Gov. or a lot smarter then what we think he is.

April 21, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I remember reading one of his posts and thinking how unsubtle he was being about being the cop. He said something like "I'm a townie, but I'm definitely not the cop." Then he essentially outright said that he was a power role and tried to give hints as to what he is.

Do you guys still want to go along with killing him now? I imagine if both chiefsonny and I caught on to the fact that Teddy was claiming a power role, the doctor would also have figured it out and will be all over him tonight.

April 22, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Based on what Teddy just posted in the Day thread, he's either the Doc or the Gov. or a lot smarter then what we think he is.

I would think the cop. He wouldn't have any reason to vote during the night if he was a Doctor, and I don't think the Governor even posts things at night.

and lol@zanic. My silence strategy will be to target people who are most likely to not see that they are silenced before posting, and to never target two people in a row unless absolutely necessary.

Do you guys still want to go along with killing him now? I imagine if both chiefsonny and I caught on to the fact that Teddy was claiming a power role, the doctor would also have figured it out and will be all over him tonight.

Perhaps he has, but we can't be for certain.

April 22, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Only way to see about that is to vote and find out.

That's what I'm thinking.

April 22, 2012
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Helius

Let's get rid of LLight so we can stop hearing about how great he thinks he is.{roll}

April 22, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I was going to suggest Knuckles, but he might prove useful if we can get them both going at each other.

April 22, 2012
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Helius

Here's my list of people left who are Power Roles:

Teddy (we know definitely)
Xhin (maybe)
Llight (maybe)
Knuckles (maybe)

The only one I know of is Teddy. The other three are eh.

April 22, 2012
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Helius

It'll be pretty tricky to get the remaining people to turn on LLight, and I wouldn't want us all to throw votes on him as it will be suspicious as fuck.

I'll observe for a bit longer before I make my appearance, my alibi being that I'm playing the Diablo Beta.

April 22, 2012
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Shadowwalked

The thing about LLight was a joke. At least for now

April 22, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Anyone think LLight could be the vigilante? He's brought up that role a few times in his posts already, and TBH I'd be a little paranoid if he is the vigilante since he doesn't seem to like me very much this round :). Just the vibe I'm getting from him. Don't think he was like this toward the vigilante in the last game where we had one.

I think Teddy being the cop is a safe bet, but like I said I dunno if it would be smart to target him yet if he made it obvious to the doc that he's the cop.

April 22, 2012
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MajorasMask9

"Anyone think LLight could be the vigilante?"

Well if he keeps up this "I'm the greatest player here" attitude then I will vote to take him out tonight. Maybe it's time to see if he can walk on water.

"since he doesn't seem to like me very much this round :)"

He's to busy liking himself to like anyone else.

April 22, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

After his last comment I'm starting to think he's just trying to bait killing roles into targeting him. Dunno what to do with him.

Perhaps the show he's putting on could be enough to draw attention away from Teddy making him open for a kill? Maybe we should go for someone entirely random? I still haven't made up my mind. I do think LLight might be a trap though.

He's to busy liking himself to like anyone else.

I laughed :)

April 22, 2012
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MajorasMask9

I think that would be a mistake. He seems to be goading us into voting for him. If we vote for him, I have a feeling that others will identify us as Mafia this round. :/ I think he is up to his old tricks.

I can't help but feel this smells fishy for him. Let the town do with him as they will.

April 22, 2012
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Helius

I can't help but feel this smells fishy for him. Let the town do with him as they will.

I agree. I say we stay away from LLight, and more of roam with the towns overall feelings rather than choose any targets ourselves.

April 22, 2012
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Shadowwalked

I have to disagree with his math.... :(

10/15 is 66% chance of hitting a townie

5/15 is 33% chance of hitting one of us.

I know what he is doing, but it's not conducive to actually running a probability sampling. It decreases with each pick... so if a townie is picked... we have 9/14 (64%) and 5/14 (36%).

Statistic problems... this is what I get for doing a grad level statistic class on research.

April 22, 2012
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Helius

Not sure how to take LLight's actions. It's more WIFOM at this point. Either he's baiting us into killing him because he'll be doctor protected, or he's making us think he wants to bait us into killing him so that we'll assume he's doctor protected when he isn't and we don't kill him.

Right now I'm leaning more toward him being a regular townie though, tbh.

I think we should go with killing Teddy tonight, and leaving LLight unsilenced.

April 22, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Right now LLight is one vote away from a 1/3 majority vote, meaning I could execute him. The fun part is that everyone voting for him is a townie. I'm actually tempted to not execute him if he gets a sixth vote, just so people will find it suspicious, and would give us a more valid reason to lynch him on top of what everyone else is talking about. That could also make it so the governor doesn't save him.

April 22, 2012
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MajorasMask9

I respect what you guys have to say because you're better at this then I am, but I think LLight is a very dangerous player and I hope that not getting rid of him if and when we can will come back to bite us in the butt.

April 22, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

If he gets one more vote MajorasMask9 does not have to take any action. He will have enough votes to be lynched as long as nobody else votes No Kill

April 22, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I agree with you that LLight could pose a threat that could throw us off later, but based on his actions this round I'm not sure how much power he really has.

Remember that five townies have already voted against him because they found him suspicious. A townie's power comes from how convincing they are in their arguments and how not-suspicious they look. This wave of suspicion against him could be enough to ruin his credibility later on.

If he does get 6 votes, we should try to get no-kill to have the majority while still keeping him at 6 votes. I think if I didn't opt to execute him when given the opportunity, people would be a lot more suspicious of him than they are already.

He's a smart player, and honestly I'm not sure what kind of reactions he's fishing for, if any. Right now I'm just kind of pretending that I was offended by his posts and pushed too far. Not sure how he'll take that, but I imagine he's expecting at least someone to react like that. He's clearly going out of his way to make himself look better than everyone else (ie "AS A SIDE NOTE I beat Yeano--moderator of the dueling cards forum-- in a dueling card game! Worship me you inferior beings!") so I'm assuming this is some part of his strategy.

April 22, 2012
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MajorasMask9

I think taking LLight out could be good, a lot of townies are accusing him and it would stir things up.

April 22, 2012
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#85

Also, just in case :

I'll die for shadowwalked. Silencing is important.

April 22, 2012
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#85

Well, LLight now has 1/3 of the vote. I talked to Yeano to confirm how the executioner role works, and he said that as long as they have 1/3 of the vote at any time during the round I can kill them. Meaning, if I choose to execute LLight now, he'd be executed despite anyone changing their votes later on.

That said, I still don't think I want to execute LLight. The governor will just stop it regardless. Perhaps maybe LLight himself is the governor, though.

April 22, 2012
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MajorasMask9

"Perhaps maybe LLight himself is the governor, though."

That's what I thinking. That or some other power role.

"The governor will just stop it regardless"

Unless the Governor is one of the townies that voted for him and he has pissed off. Think about it most of his votes came from townies.

April 22, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I agree that its best if we don't have to take action if he's already being lynched by the town. I just have to figure out how I want to approach the situation. If I vote no kill, LLight won't be lynched. I could probably throw my vote on the "kill off LLight" bandwagon without drawing too much suspicion, but I'm not really sure if that's the route I want to take.

April 22, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Random vote. If it falls on LLight, it was random. No one else has enough votes that it would hurt them. Time is running out. We have a chance to get rid of 2 townies between now and tonight. Let the town lynch him and we then can get Teddy.

I think it tells us something when 5 of his votes are from townies. There may not be anyone on his team that's willing to save his butt.

Just don't vote No Kill. That will stop his own townies from lynching him.

April 22, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I think no-kill might be a good option, though.

If LLight is the governor--which I'm fully expecting at this point--he won't be lynched regardless of votes.

If no-kill gets a majority, and he doesn't get executed, he'll look suspicious as heck in the eyes of the town, and he wouldn't have had any chance to make a case for him being the governor. I think he's banking on pissing people off to get more votes for himself. Then at the end of the day he'll be like "the governor saved me, everyone hates me, therefore I'm the governor."

April 22, 2012
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MajorasMask9

If no-kill gets a majority, and he doesn't get executed, he'll look suspicious as heck in the eyes of the town, and he wouldn't have had any chance to make a case for him being the governor. I think he's banking on pissing people off to get more votes for himself. Then at the end of the day he'll be like "the governor saved me, everyone hates me, therefore I'm the governor."

I was thinking the same thing. If I vote no-kill and he doesn't get executed, then he'll look suspicious. If another person votes for him and the town lynches him anyway, then 'Roxas' will look suspicious.

April 22, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Wait wait wait, the governor can stop a kill from the executioner?

April 22, 2012
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#85

With no disrespect intended to anyone and I mean that, But I just don't understand the reasoning behind trying to save and or keep LLight in this game.

He is probably the most dangerous player on the town side to us.
Let the town take him out or at least try.

Because you can take this to the bank, if he pulls this off (not getting the maj.votes) it will give him just more ammo to use on the rest of the townies to follow his lead.

April 22, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I like the idea of randoming too, and I could probably explain that a bit easier.

April 22, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Because you can take this to the bank, if he pulls this off (not getting the maj.votes) it will give him just more ammo to use on the rest of the townies to follow his lead.

Yeah, I'm just going to random. Make it look like I'm giving up my vote to chance, rather than taking either 'Roxas' or LLight's side.

April 22, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Wait wait wait, the governor can stop a kill from the executioner?

I asked that question and Yeano never gave us an answer. If that's the case, then it's dumb as shit because all they do is cancel each other out.

April 22, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

If they governor acts they stop ALL day round killings: Executions and the Lynch.

Which is why executing LLight would be a bad move.

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With no disrespect intended to anyone and I mean that, But I just don't understand the reasoning behind trying to save and or keep LLight in this game.

He is probably the most dangerous player on the town side to us. Let the town take him out or at least try.

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This is how I see the round playing out right now:

Case A: LLight gets the majority vote instead of no-kill. The governor saves him.

Result: LLight will claim that he's the governor in the following day round. Everyone wanted him lynched, therefore the governor stepping in would make him most likely the governor. Him claiming on top of that would only be even more convincing.
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Case B: LLight gets 1/3 vote while no-kill gets the majority; the executioner attempts to kill LLight.

Result: LLight will claim that he's the governor and prevented his execution: meaning he isn't mafia.
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Case C: LLight gets 1/3 vote while no-kill gets the majority; the executioner DOES NOT attempt to kill LLight.

Result: LLight has no ammo. He would have no way to prove he's the governor because the governor didn't need to prevent any lynchings. The town would find it suspicious that the mafia didn't attempt to execute LLight, stalling the town for another day round.

With the doctor in play I think he'd be more tempted to target LLight, leaving Teddy open for a kill. We know for a fact that Teddy is a power role, and he should be taken out ASAP: this looks like a good opportunity to do so.

Those are my thoughts anyway!

April 22, 2012
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MajorasMask9

LLight
"I'm also the biggest threat to mafia regardless or role, even if that role is "dead"

Good lord, even he agrees with me. And it's the threat about what he can do even if he's dead that bothers me.

April 22, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Good lord, even he agrees with me. And it's the threat about what he can do even if he's dead that bothers me.

Perhaps, but at this point he and 'Roxas' are the easiest targets to mobilize people against. The herd mentality is strong as fuck in this game, and we'll have no problem hurling Knuckles, CrT or w/e, and whoever else at the target we want.

April 22, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Well imo we just lost the game. It's to bad because I thought this was the best team in the game.

Maybe Malas will step in and save the day.

April 22, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Maybe Malas will step in and save the day.

Which he did, which is what I was expecting in the first place.

The only reason I was hesitant with my vote is because I don't want to be the tide-turner. I'd rather leave that to a townie, someone who we can turn suspicion against.

Still, we have to deal with a governor vote, but if LLight is saved, we know who the governor is.

April 22, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Furthermore, it would have been rather out of character for me to vote for LLight. I've stated his usefulness in past games, and I think he would be rather suspicious if I was so eager to throw a vote at him, especially when I'm sure he knows that I don't hold the votes of knuckles with very high regard.

April 22, 2012
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Shadowwalked

"I thought this was the best team in the game."

I still do. Sorry if that came out wrong guys.

Now if Teddy don't change his vote for the umpteenth time. We need to take him out tonight for sure.

April 22, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

And I still do. Sorry if that came out wrong guys.

{O:-)}

Anywho, the outcome I wanted to see happened. LLight is pissed at Malas, and voted for himself out of spite I'm guessing.

Now we take out Teddy at night, I silence some poor bastard who will likely not pay attention to the roll change, and tomorrow we watch the town rally against 'Roxas'.

April 22, 2012
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Shadowwalked

LLight's vote for himself just outright convinced me that he's the governor which is why I was hoping we'd get a no-kill majority. Now I don't see any way we can make LLight look suspicious, and since he's essentially confirmed governor I imagine the doctor will be on him.

That is why I think we should take Teddy out tonight. We know Teddy is a power role; save LLight for another night. If LLight is the governor, he's ONLY the governor. He's capable of making mistakes, and we can exploit that for just one round. Voting rashly and jumping at the opportunity to nightkill him immediately seems like a bad idea.

April 22, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Ideal situation is town kills LLight, and we kill Teddy. I see LLight as the bigger threat right now because of teddys inability to mobilize votes

Also chief, yeah that would definatley be dumb.

April 22, 2012
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#85

LLight's vote for himself just outright convinced me that he's the governor which is why I was hoping we'd get a no-kill majority. Now I don't see any way we can make LLight look suspicious, and since he's essentially confirmed governor I imagine the doctor will be on him.

And if the Doctor is on him, then the doctor will not be on Teddy.

That is why I think we should take Teddy out tonight. We know Teddy is a power role; save LLight for another night. If LLight is the governor, he's ONLY the governor. He's capable of making mistakes, and we can exploit that for just one round. Voting rashly and jumping at the opportunity to nightkill him immediately seems like a bad idea.

Most definitively. Teddy shall die tonight, even if LLight saves himself.

April 22, 2012
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Shadowwalked

You know that if LLight gets saved by himself or the doc, then he will be going after the ones that voted for him big time. Trying to convince everyone that they are Mafia.
Look for him to go after `Roxas`, Feral and Knux hard and heavy.

April 22, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Look for him to go after `Roxas`, Feral and Knux hard and heavy

Exactly, which is why it would be suicide for any of us to vote for him. I'd expect him to go after 'Roxas' more, he's the only one who LLight believes is going out of character.

April 22, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Yeah I voted for LLight but I was less obvious about it, I should be on the lower end of the suspicion since I didn't lobby hard for LLight.

And good points about the doctor, Teddy will get blindsided tonight. We will see how LLight plays out.

April 22, 2012
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#85

We will see how LLight plays out.

LLight just changed his vote to No Kill to save his ass. You watch what I say, this guy is going to be the one that brings us down and causes us to lose the game.

Which leads me to believe that he's not the Gov. because he's working to hard to save himself.
More likely the Vigilante.

April 22, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

We need to blindside him, he's too obvious a mafia target now.

April 22, 2012
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#85

Now he's suggesting we contact Yeano to end the game with 24 hours still remaining in the Day round. Because it's a 7-7 tie which is in his favor.
I've never seen him be so obvious before.

April 22, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I'm starting to think LLight is just trying to give the impression that he's a bigger threat than he really is. He claims he's playing with a more psychological strategy this game, and he's obviously doing some pretty wacky stuff. He says that he'd be the biggest threat to the mafia even if he's dead, but that's blatantly impossible no matter who you are. Nothing he's said this round could alter the course of the game, so his death couldn't be detrimental to us in any way.

I personally don't view LLight as a major threat compared to some other players. The only reason I'm a bit miffed at his strategy is that it makes it a bit harder to predict doctor, governor, and vigilante actions.

April 22, 2012
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MajorasMask9

#85. there are now 10 No Votes. You may want to change your vote to No Kill or Random so as not to bring to much attention to yourself.

April 22, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I'm not sure if it's officially night right now or if LLight got someone to lock the thread prematurely, but I'm just going to say I vote to kill Teddy-Son tonight.

April 22, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Vote now:

MM9 has voted for Teddy-Son

April 22, 2012
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Yeano

I agree on Teddy for now. Mya want to change it later depending on what everyone else has to say tonight.

The other question is: Who to silence?

April 22, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I'm not worried about being suspicious. If anything, it's better if I'm the main target so they can't get a two for one play on us.

April 22, 2012
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#85

As far as who to silence. I'm going to vote for white lancer at this point. But don't write that in stone yet. Lets use our full 24 hours to try and make the best choice we can.

April 22, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I'll go ahead and vote for Teddy.

As for a silence target, let me think over the list of players really quick. We preferably want someone who:

1) Hasn't been silenced before.

2) Has no reason to think they're a silence target.

White lancer will probably notice that he's been silenced, so I'd rather hit someone who least expects it.

April 22, 2012
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Shadowwalked

I'm leaning towards silencing CrT black. I think he'd be the least suspecting of a silence.

April 23, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Teddy seems good to me.

April 23, 2012
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Helius

We so got this.

Would be fantastic if we could get through the rest of the game without a single death.

April 23, 2012
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MajorasMask9

How did we get 3?

And lol at knukles accusing LLight so hard. We can just chill and watch that unfold.

April 23, 2012
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#85

Oh silence talking, nice. Lol if we would have executed LLight that would have been 4 in one day

The silencer Is so key, so I'll die for him again if need be

April 23, 2012
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#85

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April 23, 2012
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#85

Ugh, who would have thought that CrT would be the one vigilante targeted :(

April 23, 2012
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Shadowwalked

And lol at knukles accusing LLight so hard. We can just chill and watch that unfold.

Yeah, now we should have no problem executing people either. In fact, we could probably execute LLight once he got the votes that he needs, and then have the town lynch one of those who were so adamant for voting for him, bringing down the towns numbers to 7. We kill someone else during the night, taking them down to 6. There is a 54% chance that a vigilante will take out one of their own (If we don't kill him first), taking them down to 5, and I'll silence another, taking them down to 4.

If the vigilante is dead at this point, we've basically won the game, so I think our next strategy is to determine who the vigilante is so that we can off them during the night.

April 23, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Agreed, shadow.

April 23, 2012
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#85

Well, regardless, I have to speak now because I was off doing work yesterday. My silence will look odd. :(

April 23, 2012
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Helius

I don't think LLight is the Vigilante, but I strongly urge MajorasMask9 to take him out today in the day round if he gets 1/3 of the votes.

I think one of these 3 are the 2 remaining power roles:
White lancer
`Roxas`
hezekiah

And there's a good chance we won't here from the cop now that the Doc's dead.
Thoughts?

April 23, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I'm thinkin we are safe tonight unless the vig gets lucky

And I'm thinking about false claiming to be the cop next day because :

1. I'll look legit being the first to come out
2. It will force the other cop to come out, he may not even have good information.
3. I'm the least important mafia anyway, me being around puts us at risk for a double play by the town.

April 23, 2012
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#85

If you're going to claim cop I suggest silencing LLight if he somehow survives. Wouldn't want him to pull out his "lynch all cop claims" strategy.

I think we can eliminate Knukles and Feral as cop candidates. Pretty sure the cop would have checked LLight last round. I'm going to go vote for LLight to see if we can execute him before the cop shows up if possible.

April 23, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Roxas -_- .

Can't be fair in this game of ruthlessness apparently.

Though the argument can be made that Roxas is trying to get rid of a townie and Roxas is Mafia...

I knew this was going to happen when I spoke. Town is so easy to point the blame, but never take any credit for helping their own destruction along.

Edit:

I wouldn't be so quick to take out Feral for cop... though I'm betting Lancer is a role.

April 23, 2012
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Helius

Well, right now Feral has all of us listed as townies in his list, but this is only under the condition that LLight is mafia. I'd say that we should keep him alive for that, but I don't see how we can avoid him getting lynched at this point unless something spectacular happens.

EDIT: I'm silly, I didn't read that the executioner kill is done at the end of the day round, not earlier.

April 23, 2012
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MajorasMask9

It might still be good to kill off Feral in the night round due to his statement. Perhaps he is only partially right.

April 23, 2012
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Helius

I say we execute him noone can save him.

Then go for lancer or some other strategist. I'm not worried about the cop.

April 23, 2012
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#85

I think I will execute LLight now.

Assuming I can: The executioner role says that as long as the person has 1/3 votes at any point in the day round, they can be executed. Right now someone switched and he has 4 instead of 5 votes.

I still think he's going to get the majority vote, but this is just playing it safe in case people decide to go for someone else.

April 23, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Well, right now Feral has all of us listed as townies in his list, but this is only under the condition that LLight is mafia.

Ah, but he also thinks I'm a mafia if Knuckles isn't. Of course, I could pretend to be silenced today since CrT was killed, or I could say that I was in class all day and defend my position. Anyone in favor of any particular position?

April 23, 2012
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Shadowwalked

I think it would be interesting if you pointed out that you weren't silenced. Right now one of the arguments for LLight being the vigilante is that he targeted CtR. However, if you showed that you weren't silenced, it would make sense to the town that the silenced person was killed by the vigilante. That means even if the vigilante was involved in CtR's death, the mafia also targeted him as well, since we wouldn't have targeted someone for a kill and a silencing. So just because CtR was targeted doesn't make LLight the vigilante.

EDIT: Then again, you looking silenced would look good in future rounds. It would also be a safer bet than hoping someone picks up on the silencer target thing.

Just a thought I had! Up to you though.

April 23, 2012
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MajorasMask9

EDIT: Then again, you looking silenced would look good in future rounds.

Yeah, and I think there is a way for me to handle this in a subtle bastardly way.

Of course, it would require us to take out 'Roxas' to show that he's a townie (Since he is the one that thinks I'm silenced). Once LLight is taken out too, things will look very bad for Feral, and I don't think it would be too hard for us to turn people against him.

April 23, 2012
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Shadowwalked

From the sounds of it, LLight is the cop, and it sounds like he's going to find some stupid loophole in the rules to reveal his information after-death (ie he's being a douche).

EDIT: Based on what he's done in the past, he's probably going to abuse the vague dead-talk rule.

Dead Talk - Dead Talk is the ability for users who are dead to discuss the game in the main thread. By default, Dead Talk is off (unless otherwise stated by the Host).

I imagine he's going to just post it somewhere else on the site and claim it wasn't in the main thread so he isn't breaking rules. Yeano should probably fix this. I'd also suggest making room for more flexibility in enforcing the rules to avoid LLight from pulling off any more stupid stunts like he has been.

April 24, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Sorry guys. I've been at my vol fire company for the last 6 or so hours helping set up for a Bingo Party.

LLight has 5 votes. Off his ass.

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

"From the sounds of it, LLight is the cop, and it sounds like he's going to find some stupid loophole in the rules to reveal his information after-death (ie he's being a douche)."

And if he does I will ask Yeano and Xhin to suspend this game and suspend him from playing the game again. I'm getting a little tired of him thinking he can threaten people and threaten to fuck up the game.
Call him on it MM9 and we may have time to get someone else this day round. Because at this point I don't care what role he is, I just know he's fucking the game up for everyone.

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Yeah, go ahead and take out LLight. After reviewing everything, it seems like the best bet.

April 24, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Already put in my executioner vote to kill LLight. The kill should be taken care of at the end of the day round, regardless of how the votes turn out for the rest of the day.

April 24, 2012
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MajorasMask9

So everyone knows I just added MajorasMask9 to my list of Heroes. His names is right under Batman and The Flash. :P

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I just read that Yeano changed the rules and now at least one of the 1/3 votes has to be a non-mafia persons vote.

And so you guys don't think I'm some kind of a prick, you need to know that I have always had a lot of respect for LLight and still do outside of this game.

But he's acting like some spoiled kid who if doesn't get his way will take his marbles and go home so that no one can enjoy the game because he had the only shooter.

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

TBH I assumed LLight was putting on some sort of arrogance act as part of his strategy, and in order to play along with it I acted offended and intentionally tried to fuel the fire. I kind of feel bad in retrospect if this wasn't an act of his!

April 24, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Don't feel bad. You did what had to be done to help your team and for that matter all the players.
A person can't be the playground bully and then expect everyone to feel sorry that he may be eliminated from the game.

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

So everyone knows I just added MajorasMask9 to my list of Heroes. His names is right under Batman and The Flash. :P

Is my name on a list of villains somewhere? Because that would be pretty cool.

April 24, 2012
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Shadowwalked

"Is my name on a list of villains somewhere"

I have villains on my Heroes List.

I love Dr. Hannibal Lecter. {:P}

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

"Already put in my executioner vote to kill LLight"

How does the Executioner vote to kill? I don't see a Executioner Thread.

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

They post it on here. :)

And is Xhin really the Vig? Because he has no one to protect him.

April 24, 2012
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Helius

And is Xhin really the Vig?

imo this is all about getting a couple people to change their from from LLight to No Vote. If that happens, you watch how fast white lancer and LLight change their vote.

And here's the question for my Mafia homies. What the hell do care at this point who LLight is? Our purpose is to kill townies and win the game.

That's why I'm holding off voting in the event we need another vote for LLight at the last moment.


Helius, if I can ask, why did you change your vote? The cop can't id you.

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I'm gonna go to bat for LLight in the event I decide to claim cop next day

April 24, 2012
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#85

They're already changing their votes.

We need to make sure that what MM9 say's is right.
That once the Executioner makes his day vote. It stands regardless of what happens the rest of the day. Where is that written. Because if its not true then we are blowing a chance to get rid of 2 maybe 3 townies between now and the end of the next night round.

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Helius, if I can ask, why did you change your vote? The cop can't id you.

At the moment, the majority of people believe I am a Townie, but as a Townie, I would vote for myself to prove that I am a townie. I can't vote for myself anymore as I've used that strategy as Mafia. I'm trying to avoid looking suspicious. Though perhaps changing my vote, will make me look like a Mafia member. I'm basically playing the numbers game. I may change it again depending on what Llight says.

Technically, Llight is already dead. If the Executioner's role is at any point where 1/3 of the townies vote in favor of killing him, then Llight is dead. :/

I'm more concerned with Night round actions.

April 24, 2012
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Helius

I love Dr. Hannibal Lecter.

Yeah, he's a pretty cool guy.

Also, LLight showing to be a townie will be most excellent to the cause. Now we just wait for him to die, and the pieces should fall into place. Those who were adamant for his death (Knuckles, 'Roxas', etc) we can draw suspicion to, while exterminating the rest at night. If we take out the vigilante, then we're pretty much set.

So when does the execution go into effect? I'm still a bit confused on that matter.

April 24, 2012
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Shadowwalked

MajorasMask9 is the Executioner. If a person, at any time during the day round, has at least 1/3 of the total votes cast against him or her, the Executioner can post in this thread saying that he wants to kill that person.

I would read the bold portion as regardless of outcome of vote. But that is just me. It's at the top of the page, btw.

April 24, 2012
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Helius

My understanding is once yeano gets on, LLight is dead.

April 24, 2012
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#85

I would read the bold portion as regardless of outcome of vote. But that is just me. It's at the top of the page, btw.

Oh, I realize that. I thought the vote would be more of an instantaneous thing, like when Zanic was taken out for talking.

Also, particularly bastardly loop hole.

1/3 votes "At any time"

Say one person votes for Xhin, and then changes their vote to no vote. We all then vote for Xhin, and change our votes to "No vote". Through the course of the round. A scenario would be like:

"Lets all vote for Xhin!" Person 1 votes for Xhin.

Person two votes for Xhin, person one changes their vote to no vote.

Person three votes for Xhin, person two changes their vote to no vote.

Et cetra.

During the course of the round, Xhin will receive 1/3 of the current votes "At any time", but not "All at once" which isn't stated in the rules.

Would this still work?

April 24, 2012
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Shadowwalked

OK I see it and MajorasMask9 vote to kill LLight on post 1335209790

Thanks, I'm just getting tired.

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

At the end of the day round, that person will die in addition to the person who gets lynched. This skill CAN be used on multiple people on one day. (For example, if there is a three-way tie with all three people having 1/3 of the votes, the Executioner can choose the kill all three of them). The Executioner must put kill requests in this thread BEFORE the day round ends.

I think we will have to wait for the day round to end, and I think the total number of votes at one time have to meet the 1/3 quota.

April 24, 2012
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Helius

And furthermore, if three people vote for a separate person, it would make sense if we could do something like this (Even though it would be a bit overpowered):

Everyone changes to person #1

Execution Vote

We change votes to Person #2

Execution Vote

We change votes to person #3

Execution Vote

At this point, we've effectively removed three people from the equation. And if we do it fast enough (And they're killed before the round ends), they should have no opportunity for retaliation.

April 24, 2012
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Shadowwalked

That's an interesting concept, Shadowwalked. It might be useful once we have the majority of votes. :)

April 24, 2012
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Helius

That's an interesting concept, Shadowwalked. It might be useful once we have the majority of votes. :)

If everything goes to plan, that should be next round.

Also, if Xhin is indeed the vigilante, I think its safe to say that if we can't turn the votes around on him during the day round, we should kill him off tonight. I would think it a bit suspicious that he would admit it, but I don't think Xhin has any luck with power roles. He always figures out a way to have himself killed off either immediately, or in the most hilarious of ways.

April 24, 2012
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Shadowwalked

"It might be useful once we have the majority of votes. :)"

Or at least until we have the same. We could take out 4 if you count the night kill.

So I guess we have to wait the 72 hours or for Yeano which ever comes first for the Execution kill.

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Also, this is unrelated, but I love Knuckles logic. He has such a negative connotation with his votes, even though he correctly has two mafia in his suspect list.

Sadly, he didn't take into account that I could pretend I'm silenced, and that by killing LLight his theory will be turned to shit. With that, we kill Xhin at night, and turn the town against knuckles during the day (If Xhin doesn't take him out at night anyway).

April 24, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Well, might as well turn it around...

By the time they figure it out, it will be too late.

Since I'm a Star Wars nerd:

Emperor: Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design. Your friends, up there on the sanctuary moon, are walking into a trap, as is your Rebel fleet. It was *I* who allowed the Alliance to know the location of the shield generator. It is quite safe from your pitiful little band. An entire legion of my best troops awaits them. Oh, I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive.

April 24, 2012
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Helius

So far I have to give Knux credit. He's standing his ground and getting in LLight's face.{:D}

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

And the people counter at the top of the page shows that Yeano was been to the site in the last 6-7 minutes. Wonder why he's not ending this round. There are more then 9 votes.

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

It's 9 votes for the same option.

Executioner kill takes place at the end of the Day Round.

Rules updated to specify that Dead people may only discuss the game in the Dead Thread unless otherwise specified by the host.

April 24, 2012
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Yeano

So does that mean that since MM9 has already killed LLight, then we can start working on getting someone else 5 votes before the night round?

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

@Yeano

We should have famous quotes page for Mafia... that's my suggestion Yeano. At the end of the game, favorite or memorable quotes should be posted.

Such as the no sane mafia member would intentionally throw mafia members under the bus... I did that already, but they don't know it.

April 24, 2012
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Helius

It's 9 votes for the same option.

Uggh that's going to take forever. At least it gives us a chance to execute someone else if they all change their votes for no real reason.

April 24, 2012
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Shadowwalked

So does that mean that since MM9 has already killed LLight, then we can start working on getting someone else 5 votes before the night round?

Pretty much. Even though LLight is not dead AT THIS MOMENT, seeing as how he had 1/3 of the total votes and the Executioner chose to kill him, he will die at the end of the round.

April 24, 2012
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Yeano

That's why I asked the question about MM9's LLight Kill. If that stands, then we can start working on white lancer (they're already doubting him over there) and if we get 5 votes for him, take Xhin out in the night round.

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

That's why I asked the question about MM9's LLight Kill. If that stands, then we can start working on white lancer (they're already doubting him over there) and if we get 5 votes for him, take Xhin out in the night round.

With LLight dead, we should kill Xhin at night, and then turn the town against those who were shooting for LLight. Taking out everyone on their list (Except us) would be fairly obvious that we're trying to make us look innocent. We take out LLight and Xhin though, and we can have another day of turning people against each other. Our actions should be unpredictable, and able to incite the most chaos as possible.

April 24, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Yeano just posted in the main thread that he updated the rules. Shit I don't remember what the old ones said. {:(}

I need a drink.

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I need a drink.

You and me both. I'm usually already buzzed at this time, but I don't have any more money for beer until I get paid :(

April 24, 2012
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Shadowwalked

If Xhin isn't the vigilante, I think the actual vigilante will go for a kill on him. What do you guys think about the vigilante's identity?

Before reading the thread I thought Xhin might be the most likely vigilante, but after his claim I'm kind of starting to doubt it. That could have been his point in claiming, but I dunno. I'm probably overthinking this again!

April 24, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Yeah I didn't really buy Xhin being the vigilante when he said it either. Why would he come out and say it? I would say the vig is more important than the cop to the town in this situation because we might get the cop before he reveals.

Xhin could just be buying time for the vig. Let's think it over before rushing to get him.

April 24, 2012
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#85

Xhin could just be buying time for the vig. Let's think it over before rushing to get him.

I considered this, and came up with two scenarios:

Xhin is just buying time for the Vigilante, and Vigilante knows.

Xhin is the vigilante, and just isn't really that great with power roles.

Xhin isn't the vigilante, and the Vigilante is going to target him.

I would say that our best option is to target him anyway. Leaving Xhin as a questionable target would not help our goal, and if Xhin is the vigilante, we've destroyed their night-round power. The pros of killing him far outweigh the cons, and leaving the kill to a possible vigilante assist is too risky.

April 24, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Sigh I hate typing without my glasses on {:?}

I considered this, and came up with two scenarios:

Should be three scenarios.

April 24, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Either way we are getting two tonight, could only be better if we got them to go after a 3rd but that's too risky.

I'd almost rather take a shot in the dark against the cop, because if Xhin is buying time he bought it for vig AND cop, but I'm ok with Xhin too.

April 24, 2012
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#85

I know this is knukles quote so it may not mean much but it's worth noting.

"Well I know you got two wrong. Roxas isn't Mafia sided for sure, but you will just have to trust me on that, and neither am I." -knukles

Possible cop?

April 24, 2012
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#85

I read that too, but I completely disregarded it after giving it like 2 minutes of thought. Because it IS a Knukles quote! He's said stupid things like that before, most signigicantly back in Game 2 when he got Xhin--the doctor--lynched claiming that Xhin was "definitely mafia". If Knukles was the cop he definitely would have checked LLight last round, no questions asked IMO. If he did check LLight, he wouldn't be so adamant about getting him lynched right now.

Possible cop candidates in my eyes, from most likely to least likely, are:

LLight
Redack
Xhin
white lancer

Possible vigilante candidates in my eyes, again from most likely to least likely, are:

LLight
Xhin
Redack
Feral

Holy crap at how that list turned out almost the same.

I think when we determine our kill target for the night we should, in addition to trying to go for someone who looks most like a power role, we should try to look at the game from the town's perspective after they realize that LLight isn't mafia. If we vote for someone most people will find suspicious after LLight's role is revealed, that could end up bad for one of us in the next day round.

April 24, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Ugh, Xhin suspects me. If I could talk, I could point out that if I was Mafia, I would have been adamant for killing him off first just because it would be hilarious as shit, but that would be unnecessary once we kill him off.

April 24, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Ugh, Xhin suspects me.

That's just another reason to take him out.

I'm thinking:

Kill Xhin
Silence White Lancer.

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

And did you guys take notice that White Lancer asked Xhin who he planned to kill tonight and got no answer.

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Xhin posted that he killed CtRBlack. The only way he could know that is if:

1. He is the Vig
2. He talked to someone away from the site
3. He is able to see all the threads.

He needs to go tonight.

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Yeano might need to clarify this, but I think the vigilante kill gets priorty over mafia kills (I might be wrong??). Meaning, we'll still be down one member if he targets one of us, even if we kill him.

After seeing him talk more I think he's probably the real vigilante and LLight is the real cop, just as we assumed before.

And I agree that white lancer is a good silencing target.

April 24, 2012
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MajorasMask9

And yeah, I'll probably target white lancer unless anything turns up.

April 24, 2012
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Shadowwalked

"(I might be wrong??)but I think the vigilante kill gets priorty over mafia kills"

You're not wrong. That's the way it was when I was the vigilante.

But he may pick another townie. He may go after hezy.

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

But he may pick another townie. He may go after hezy.

If he does go after me, we should still be good. #85 might die, but at least we'll still be able to silence and execute.

April 24, 2012
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Shadowwalked

:/ I wish we had played this round a little bit better. It might have been interesting for #85 to die for Llight instead.

The reason why I say this is...

Yes, I realize we are supposed to kill off as many Townies as possible, but imagine the chaos that would bring. Xhin would definitely change his vote. Llight would be targeted during the night as he didn't die or if he wasn't... the town would be in complete chaos the next day.

Panic. Lots of it.

April 24, 2012
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Helius

I'm not sure how much that sacrifice would be worth it. It seems too over-the-top. People like white lancer could easily catch on that it was a sacrifice on our part to make LLight look more suspicious than he already is, which is already pointless. As pointed out in the main thread, if LLight was mafia the rest of the mafia would have thrown him under the bus by now. Having a thug save him wouldn't make sense following that train of though.

I think having #85 save Shadowwalked would be a good idea if he's targeted by Xhin though. I'll only think this is a good idea, though, if Xhin refrains from saying who he is targeting for a night kill tonight.

Xhin is dying, so as long as he doesn't say who he's targeting in the main thread, he'll never get the chance.

April 24, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Actually, check this out guys:

Right now the ratio is 5-9. By the start of Night 3, the ratio will be 5-8. By the end of Night 3, if the vigilante kills a townie, the ratio will be 5-6.

At that point, as long as Shadowwalked silenced someone that didn't die from the vigilante, we've won the game. We could all outright say "I'm mafia and I'm voting for Roxas" in the main thread, and since one of them is silenced the outcome would be 5 votes for whoever we target, and 5 votes on one of us, meaning a tie. I wouldn't be able to execute anyone due to the new executioner requirements, but we'd get a night kill, bringing the ratio to 5-5 and winning.

This all depends on Xhin targeting a townie.

April 24, 2012
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MajorasMask9

That would be pretty funny.

April 24, 2012
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Helius

Well I've got to vote for one of three people because I said I would in the main thread. Which one at this point?

Any thoughts.

I thinking LLight and make it look like the deciding thing was his "loophole threat". Plus a lot of others are pissed at him anyway. We know the vote don't matter, but trying to keep the target off a while longer.

April 24, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I thinking LLight and make it look like the deciding thing was his "loophole threat". Plus a lot of others are pissed at him anyway.

Go for it. That sounds pretty solid.

April 24, 2012
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MajorasMask9

After reading Xhin's other posts that I must have skipped over, he does seem set on killing Shadowwalked tonight, and I think other people will catch on to that.

Our best bet would probably be to try to present a case for Shadowwalked not being mafia without being too blatant about it. It'd only have to put doubt in Xhin's mind about Shadowwalked being mafia. I have no ideas on how to do this though :).

April 25, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Without it looking too obvious? I am not sure there is a way.

April 25, 2012
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Helius

I have to agree with Helius.

Xhin's smart and he would jump on that like white on rice and anyone of us that tried he would work as hard as he could to point fingers and I'm sure Lancer would join right in.

Man, I hate to loose anyone. And to lose our silencer. Bad bad.

Our only hope is that he wants someone else more then Shadow. After the night round 2 of our biggest threats will be gone imo and we will be so close to putting this game away.

April 25, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

To be honest, I think that LLight being a townie will be sufficient in sewing doubt in Xhin's mind. With that, he'd likely target either 'Roxas' or Redack, but I can't be for certain.

April 25, 2012
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Shadowwalked

@Shadowwalked, about that post in Horror, I was not trying to be a smart ass. I just didn't want you guys breaking any rules and getting a Host Kill.

Need you here in the game.:)

As I said that talking rule is just to gray for me.

April 25, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Well I tried to give it a shot, putting some doubt in Xhin's head about Shadow. Was kind of beating around the bush, but I hope he doesn't find me suspicious because of it now. I don't really think I accomplished much tbh!

LLight bringing up hezekiah at the end could definitely work in our favor, though. Especially when LLight is revealed to be a townie--or better yet the cop.

April 25, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Indeed. Though it seems like we're about done this round.

April 25, 2012
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Helius

@Shadowwalked, about that post in Horror, I was not trying to be a smart ass. I just didn't want you guys breaking any rules and getting a Host Kill.

Oh, I didn't think you were being a smart ass. I wasn't going to respond to him anyway, can't be giving the town a victory now {8D}

April 25, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Just put me down as dying for shadow for the entire game.

April 25, 2012
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#85

Well it looks like LLight checked me and got a guilty verdict. He never outright stated it so here's to hoping no one important catches onto it.

April 25, 2012
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MajorasMask9

There he's dead, and he's the cop. Now we just need to wait and see who the vigilante kills.

I'm voting to kill Xhin as we agreed on earlier, unless someone thinks we should kill someone else.

April 25, 2012
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MajorasMask9

I vote to kill Xhin also.

Leaning towards recommending Shadow silence White lancer.

Good job everyone.

April 25, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

You may vote:

MM9 - Xhin
chiefsonny - Xhin

April 25, 2012
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Yeano

Gonna go with my team

Xhin

April 25, 2012
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#85

Btw, it's important we get the vig. Majoras is probably going to get targeted next. Meaning, I will go and we are at risk for a double play.

We *may* be able to dodge this and have them target feral, if they don't take notice of the strong implication of majora LLight gave.

Also I agree with silencing lancer, he is probably the one that would notice light's implication most

April 26, 2012
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#85

Xhin it is then!

April 26, 2012
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Helius

My vote for Xhin, and I'll go ahead and take the recommendation and silence white lancer. If Xhin is the mafia, tomorrow we can cause a pretty good amount of damage.

It will require a bit of coordination though. After tonight, there will be six people left talking on the townie side. If all three of them vote for a different person, we can all mass vote, remove three people from the game and win.

April 26, 2012
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Shadowwalked

We just have to make sure that we have at least one townie vote with us for MajorasMask9's vote to count for the Executioner kill.

April 26, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

The biggest problem I see with the next round is if any of us get shot.

After reading the thug's description and getting clarificatin from Yeano, the thug will automatically die in place of any mafia member that dies or gets lynched. Since LLight already claimed that I am mafia, if I get shot, #85 will die in my place and I'll get lynched in the next round.

That would leave three people as mafia, but I think you could still easily get a win with all of the commotion LLight caused.

April 26, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Ugh, I knew Xhin was just buying time for the Mafia.

Also, I think my silencing is cursed. Every goddamned time I do it, the person I silence dies. Shits intense.

April 26, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Also Majora, I'm going to try to turn them on Feral first. If we take him out, kill off another person at night, and silence another person, we've got this in the bag.

April 26, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Ugh, this is going to be painful. To preserve my "innocence", I'm going to have to go with the flow.

The way I see it, the game will likely pan out as follows:

Today: Mass vote to lynch Majora (#85 dies)

We vote to kill off someone else, Majora likely vigilante executed.

I silence someone.

Day round townies go to four, mafia three.

We vote off Feral.

Townies go to three, silence and kill off: Down to one. Mafia ends at two. Game won.

Another strategy. If ANYONE votes no-kill at ALL during the round, we need to all mass no kill on him. That is the only way we'll force no deaths during the town round. Sure, we'll all be guilty as fuck, but we'd have the game in the bag then as we'll be able to force people to death.

April 26, 2012
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Shadowwalked

OHGOD WHERE ARE YOU GUYS RED ALERT VOTE FERAL AWOOOGAH AWOOOGAH

April 26, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Sigh window of opportunity missed unless we can get them to change their votes again.

April 26, 2012
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Shadowwalked

If I can convince just one person to vote for Hezekiah, we could still win the game. And TBH, I think I have a decent shot at convincing Feral.

If a single townie votes for hezekiah, you guys should try to coordinate a time where you can all vote at the same exact time for hezekiah. This would give the townie no time to react to the mafia jumping ship from one bandwagon to another.

That's assuming I even get someone to vote with me.

April 26, 2012
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MajorasMask9

And Shadow, if you see someone else vote for me but I don't reach 6 votes, could you find a way to subtlely change your vote.

I think that, with Feral being a townie and everyone saying he's mafia, he'll more than likely sympathize with me and vote for hezekiah. He'd be the one vote we need to turn the game around, but right now of Redack and Malas think I'm mafia and vote for me, I'm dead.

I still think we'll win if #85 and I get killed, but it would be amazing if we could pull off a perfect no-death mafia run :)

April 26, 2012
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MajorasMask9

I was working it out last night, and we still have a good chance of winning even if you are targeted. However: If you can get Feral to join you in the vote, we all need to change votes immediately. We take out Feral and we've got this, even with the actions of the vigilante.

I'm going to take advantage of my "innocence" while it lasts, so if we all change votes, we're going to have to be pretty damn relentless.

I talked to Yeano, and if he's on, we can have him end the round as soon as we get all six votes for someone else, preventing them from retaliation. Before we all would start, it would be best to contact him so that he would end the night immediately, rather than have the town all catch on and switch votes.

April 26, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Actually, I'm pretty sure knuckles will jump on the bandwagon with you if you get more than two votes for hez.

April 26, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Even if I'm not online, if 6 votes are amassed for one option, I will count the rest of the votes in the round as voided.

April 26, 2012
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Yeano

Right now if Redack votes for me before Feral gets a chance to talk, then #85 is dead.

This is the best case scenario I see though:

Feral is the vigilante. He believes that I'm innocent because of what I said. #85 saves me by default, meaning he'll get +1 game points at the end of the game. Feral believes I'm innocent and shoots hezekiah. Shadow silences someone that doesn't die from the vigilante.

Mafia win, with the bonus points from a thug save :).

But yeah @ Helius, chiefsonny, #85: Don't throw me under the bus just yetttt :(. I can salvage this!

April 26, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Truth be told, we could have won this already if the Vigilante would stop killing my silence targets :(

April 26, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Sorry for taking so long to post. Didn't get home from the casino until 4am went right to bed, just got up.


"But yeah @ Helius, chiefsonny, #85: Don't throw me under the bus just yetttt :(. I can salvage this!"

No way will I do that. We can win this thing. Going to read the post in the main thread. Will get back here.

April 26, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Just voted for feral.

It would be smart if you guys would hold off on voting for feral just yet, let's see if I sway a townie.

April 26, 2012
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#85

Sorry I voted for him before I read the above post. Trying to make him look bad by flipping his vote back and forth.

Man I hope we don't screw this up.{:(}

April 26, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Ohgod, I need a rule-check from Yeano. We can end the town today if Feral and 'Roxas' keep their votes as is.

Do votes go null after max has already been attained even when there is a possibility for double execution?

April 26, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Man we only need 4 votes for Feral and MM can do his thing. If the 2 of you Shadowand MajorasMask9
can vote feral at the same time. He's gone. And
MajorasMask9 does the execution it's over tonight.

April 26, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Man we only need 4 votes for Feral and MM can do his thing. If the 2 of you Shadowand MajorasMask9
can vote feral at the same time. He's gone. And
MajorasMask9 does the execution it's over tonight.

We can take out hezekiah too, we just need clarification to see if our executioner votes would count, and we need Majora in here when we do it, so that we can do it pretty fast before they realize whats going on.

April 26, 2012
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Shadowwalked

As I said earlier, it looks like #85 is going to die in my place.

Our last hope for a perfect game would be if Knukles is the vigilante. Go Knukles!

Ratio will be 4-6 by the end of the day. If the vigilante shoots a townie, we'll win regardless. That'd be because we still have Shadow: even if only one townie dies, the ratio will be 4-5 with one silenced, meaning we tie the vote.

If the vigilante kills one of us, ratio will be 3-5 with one silenced. It won't be a perfect game, but I can't see the mafia losing at this point honestly. Shadow in particular looks like he's confirmed townie in their eyes.

Good game regardless of what happens, guys :)

April 26, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Why haven't we heard from Helius. Even in this forum?

April 26, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Right now there are 3 votes for feral. It only takes 4 for a MajorasMask9 excution. If Shadowwalk vote feral we get another kill tonight right.

Or if Helius and Shadowwalk vote hezy, is that a double kill?

I have to leave the house for a couple hours. Be back around 4pm.

April 26, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

There are 7 votes showing for MM9 and only 6 people show up in the Round tallies voting for him. If Shadowwalk don't change his vote this game is over and even with Helius and his vote for Feral, it won't matter.

April 26, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Forget I said That ^^^

Since there are no townie votes for Feral it won't work anyway.

Looks like we're screwed. Thought we had a chance to win this.

April 26, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

The town are forgetting about white lancer, it's better that we keep them thinking it is helius that was silenced.

April 26, 2012
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#85

Shit, I probably shouldn't of lobbied for feral. He's going to look innocent when I die.

April 26, 2012
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#85

OK, you guys are better at this then I am.

Can we still win this and if so, how?

April 26, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

5 mafia
6 townies

Me and majora are for sure going to die, good news is, so is two of theirs (assuming the vig doesn't take anyone out or we get him)

3 mafia
4 townies

We still have our silencer, so really it would be

3mafia
3townies

We win due to it being a tie and having executioner.

Now, shit changes if the vig takes out someone, for better or for worse. I don't see the vig acting tonight, but I think he will tommorow, and it probably won't be for feral. Maybe you guys can go Hezekiah or something.

I think we should almost not take feral out tonight, and vote for white lancer. He's a smart guy, and a threat. Plus, me being mafia and the mafia not taking out feral, will raise even more suspicion.

April 26, 2012
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#85

What about if take out Hezy. And then silence Feral or `Roxas`

April 26, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Can we still win this and if so, how?

Definitely. Even with #85 and I gone, you guys are in great shape to go to the end. Accusations are being thrown EVERYWHERE and the odds of them slipping up at least once are high. And that's really all you need: As long as Shadowwalked is alive, we can get a win when the town has one more member than the mafia, meaning if the ratio is 3-4, 2-3, or 1-2. Shadowwalked seems like he's in a perfect position right now, because not too many people find him suspicious at all. So, even if it needs to get down to just him, I definitely see him pulling a win.

As for winning in the next night, it seems unlikely. If the real vigilante finds it fishy that the thug saved me and intentionally doesn't kill me for that, there's a "Just OK" chance that they might shoot a townie. That's the only way we can pull off a "perfect" win. I wouldn't worry too much if that doesn't work out though!

#85 and I are going to kick that dead thread's ass when we get there.

April 27, 2012
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MajorasMask9

As long as you silence and kill two different people (as if you'd have a reason not to), it shouldn't even matter who you target for a kill or silence: So just focus on killing/silencing the people who would be the least likely to vote with you guys.

ie keep Knukles alive and talking at all costs

April 27, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Sorry at work and school all day. Tuesdays and Thursdays suck for me. :(

April 27, 2012
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Helius

You may now vote 'n' stuff.

April 27, 2012
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Yeano

I vote to kill Feral, and to silence 'Roxas'.

April 27, 2012
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Shadowwalked

I'm such a two-faced whore, but I've got some information for you chaps.

Hez and I have been chatting on AIM for a bit, and turns out that he's the vigilante.

Yet, I'm going to change my vote to Malas, and I urge you all to do the same. My reasoning is thus:

Hezekiah admits to me that he's Vigilante.

Tonight, he targeted Majora, so tomorrow its going to be Helius, Chief, and myself as the last three Mafia.

He is already suspicious of Feral, and he thinks that Helius and I are townies. He has not mentioned chiefsonny.

I've mentioned that I'm suspicious of 'Roxas', and that I think he was trying to go for an executioners vote at the end of the round.

Thus, here is my plan:

Next round, hezekiah and I vote for Feral and or 'Roxas'. Hezekiah doesn't die in the middle of the night, so he doesn't suspect me, since if I was mafia, he would have been "immediately targeted".

Feral or 'Roxas' dies, showing they are a townie.

Hezekiah kills off either Feral or 'Roxas'. Hezekiah targets the one that wasn't lynched, we target Hezekiah.

Town goes to two. Game won.

April 27, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Correction, change my vote for kill to Knuckles now.

Reasoning: Hezekiah doesn't suspect Knuckles at all. He's no longer useful, and he teams up with 'Roxas' on the turn of a dime. He is now expendable.

Hezekiah now suspects 'Roxas', Malas, Chiefsonny, and Malas, and plans on targeting Feral in the day round, and Chiefsonny at night (Unless something happens).

I'm running down routes in my head to see if its a better option to kill Hezekiah now or not.

If we do:

Vigilante is gone.

Town ratio: 5:3

'Roxas' and Knuckles would target me, and then chief. Helius would have to be lucky as fuck to survive. I think my strategy is the best bet we have, and I'll continue to try and worm the idea of hez killing one of my people into his head.

April 27, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Oops, said Malas twice. One of those Malas' should be a Redack, so:

He suspects Malas, Redack, 'Roxas', and Chief

He's gunning for Feral in the day.

I'm going to try everything in my manipulative power to get him to gun for 'Roxas' during the night. Chief, I'm going to need you to put on your game face and agree with everything Hez says. Psuedo-flattery and ass-kissing would be the best bet to keep you alive at this point, because if Hez feels that you're more willing to not go after him, he'll be more inclined to target 'Roxas' instead, winning us the game.

April 27, 2012
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Shadowwalked

I'll go with Knukles for the kill.

Tonight, he targeted Majora, so tomorrow its going to be Helius, Chief, and myself as the last three Mafia.

Spoilers :(

April 27, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Knuckles FTW.

Ah, game show references...

April 27, 2012
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Helius

"He suspects Malas, Redack, 'Roxas', and Chief"

Then why is he going after Feral since he knows #85 is dead. That would make 6 mafia not 5. He's to smart for that.

Does he know you're mafia? Since he told you who he was.

So we kill Knux. Leave the one person that can kill us with no help alive, and silence no one.

Guess I've missed something here.

April 27, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Well, and I was thinking about this.

I'm changing my vote to Hezekiah.

The reason is because Knuckles suspects the majority of us. It's better if we silence him and kill Hez.

April 27, 2012
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Helius

I tell you guys I'm so damned confused at this point that my worst fear is I fuck up.

One of my concerns is that Hezekiah might be playing Shadow. No one other then him can kill us without a vote. If he is who he say's he is. If we take him out and silence someone else, where does that put us on the track for a win?

By my count we have until 10:30pm EST tonight to take sone kind of action. I'm leaving around 2pm to got to Baltimore MD. to attend a wedding rehearsal dinner and should be home around 9pm.

If I'm not back before the night round ends and it's allowed by Yeano, I give him permission to cast my vote to what ever the majority vote is by you guys. If it's a tie, Then I vote to kill hazy and silence Knux.

April 27, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I think the only reason to keep hezekiah alive would be because it would make him trust Shadow more, and one mistake from the vigilante would cost the town the game. IMO, relying on a vigilante mistake is better than relying on town lynches like you'd be doing otherwise. Vigilante kill is determined by a single person, while town lynchings are a group effort that involves discussion of suspicions.

I'll stay by my Knukles vote for now, but if you guys feel we should kill someone else, feel free to vote otherwise.

I REALLY don't think you need to worry about losing the game from making a mistake at this point. I honestly can't see ANY scenario that would result in us losing the way the game is going now.

April 27, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Current vote:

Shadowwalked: Kill Knukles, Silence `Roxas`
MajorasMask9: Kill Knukles
Helius: Kill hezekiah
chiefsonny: Kill hezekiah*

Vote not officially cast until the end of the round.

If all votes remain the same for now, hezekiah will be killed since Helius's role allows him to break a tie vote.

April 27, 2012
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Yeano

Right now the ratio is 4-6.

After the night, the ratio will be 3-5, with Roxas silenced and either Hezekiah or Knukles dead.

I've skimmed through the main thread a few times and honestly I do think killing Knukles would be a good idea in terms of proving our innocence, but I also think keeping hezekiah around could be an unnecessary risk. In the last round Knukles had no problem voting for Chief and Shadow, and Roxas listed most of us in his mafia suspicions list. Hezekiah does believe Shadow is innocent for now, but honestly I think there's a good chance that if we go to far into the game he might get suspicious, and that would be dangerous because he has a gun.

Vigilante is a big threat. If we get rid of the vigilante, then we only need to get the town to mislynch ONCE and we win. As in, the only way the town can win if we get rid of hezekiah is if they successfully label Shadow, Chief, and Helius as mafia, and everyone acts on it. However, if even ONE townie votes for another townie, you guys can jump right on top of it and get that townie lynched and win the game.

So in all honesty, I think I'd rather kill hezekiah this round.

Also because if I go down I'm taking hezekiah with me >:[

So yeah good luck!

April 27, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Then why is he going after Feral since he knows #85 is dead. That would make 6 mafia not 5. He's to smart for that.

Feral was hinted at by LLight. He knows for certain Majora and #85. He's suspicious of Chief, Redack, 'Roxas', and Malas. He doesn't think they're ALL mafia, just that they have a higher likelihood of being mafia as compared to, Knuckles, Helius, myself, et cetra.


One of my concerns is that Hezekiah might be playing Shadow. No one other then him can kill us without a vote. If he is who he say's he is. If we take him out and silence someone else, where does that put us on the track for a win?

"Town ratio: 5:3 : 1 Townie Silenced

'Roxas' and Knuckles would target me, and then chief. Helius would have to be lucky as fuck to survive. I think my strategy is the best bet we have, and I'll continue to try and worm the idea of hez killing one of my people into his head.
"

However, if even ONE townie votes for another townie, you guys can jump right on top of it and get that townie lynched and win the game.

I prefer my route, as it relies less on luck and more on manipulation. If we kill off Hezekiah now and silence 'Roxas', the day round will indeed be 3-5, but we won't have an "ally" in the town. Knuckles will be all to eager to jump on suspicions, and if Redack goes along with it, so will Malas, et cetra.

AHH DAMNIT YEANO I WAS TYPING

April 27, 2012
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Shadowwalked

God damnit, this is going to be tricky. We're now without an ally in the town to get the misvote and kill we needed to win.

The only way we have left is for me to say that 'Roxas' was trying to start an execution vote up at the end, and that now he's pretending to be silenced as to draw attention off of himself.

I hope you guys were right with voting off Hezekiah

{:(}

April 27, 2012
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Shadowwalked

RED ALERT, ALL VOTES FOR FERAL GOGOGOGOGO

April 27, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Oh, and now I have the trust of Redack now so ??????

So yeah, anytime you guys are on or w/e, we could use some votes so we can fuck up this shit backwards.

April 27, 2012
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Shadowwalked

If we get one more vote for Feral by Malas, you two need to pile on your votes. Round ends, we've won.

April 28, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Well, we need to get Malas to vote for someone. Honestly, he'll be the deciding factor.

April 28, 2012
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Helius

We don't need Malas if `roxas` was silenced do we. Who did we silence.

April 28, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

We don't need Malas if `roxas` was silenced do we. Who did we silence.

'Roxas' was silenced. If Malas votes for Feral, the round ends and we've won.

April 28, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Well Chief, looks like we're infuriating to debate against. A drink on me whenever I get some more beer money.

Helius, your vote is the final nail in the coffin.

April 28, 2012
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Shadowwalked

If he can vote before Knux changes his vote like he love to do.

April 28, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

"A drink on me whenever I get some more beer money."

Don't worry about the drink. Win or lose, you guys are awesome. I've had more fun this game then any of the others. Hope I can get teamed up with some or all of you again.

April 28, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Don't worry about the drink. Win or lose, you guys are awesome. I've had more fun this game then any of the others. Hope I can get teamed up with some or all of you again.

indeed. And yeah, we need Helius back here pronto. Or Yeano can take into account that he already knows Helius' vote, and can go ahead and end the game early, rather than having us all wait.

April 28, 2012
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Shadowwalked

He should have voted when he was here. Man if we lose this.
We know that he would vote for Feral so we can win, but will Yeano see it that way?

April 28, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Well, he should know as well as anyone that not everyone can be on here at all hours, and be able to know that Helius is certainly going to vote with fellow Mafia.

April 28, 2012
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Shadowwalked

@Yeano...

I would have voted for Feral if I were on.

The problem is... Knux changed his vote and I'm forced to go against my team.

Do you consider votes by spirit?

April 28, 2012
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Helius

@Yeano, or anyone else that knows. Since one of their team is silenced, will 4 votes be enough to take out Feral, if so with Helius we have enough votes> If this is right then Helius can change his vote to Feral
We need to wait for response from Yeano.

Man I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Dead Thread. MM9 and #85 must be jumping up and down screaming at us. :)

April 28, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I find it hilarious that we have split the town soo... the problem with this is though... the town is so split they can't make a decision. Haha

April 28, 2012
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Helius

Do you consider votes by spirit?

Only if you directly say in the thread where it counts that you wish to cast a vote by spirit for a specific person later.

@Yeano, or anyone else that knows. Since one of their team is silenced, will 4 votes be enough to take out Feral, if so with Helius we have enough votes> If this is right then Helius can change his vote to Feral

It won't be enough to immediately end the round. But it would be enough to end the round with a No Kill if all the other townies jump on the same option.

April 28, 2012
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Yeano

Lets play this out for a while and see if Malas may change his vote to Feral which would be 4 and Helius would then make 5 by voting Feral

Thoughts

April 28, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I might be able to convince Redack to change his vote to Knuckles if he ever signs back on, or I could just try and get Malas to change it to Feral.

April 28, 2012
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Shadowwalked

"or I could just try and get Malas to change it to Feral."

That may be the less suspicious way to go, since we have that LLight mentioning Feral in his last post.

I would leave Redack alone for now. Contrary to what he says, he puts a lot of thought into what LLight says.

April 28, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Oh, sorry! I misread what you said.

If there happen to be 4 votes for one person, that person will be lynched since only 7 votes can be cast (one person is silenced).

But I was right when I said that 4 votes would not end the round early.

April 28, 2012
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Yeano

Ok so between now and 12 midnight today if one person has 3 votes, which Feral does now. Then before time runs out Helius needs to change his vote to Feral. Wait as long as possible and if you know you cant't be here, post your vote here and give Yeano the ok to cast it for you.

If that works, then we need to kill Knux because most are convinced he's mafia, and silence Redack if we even need to at that point.

April 28, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Actually, for that matter, there's no point in any of you switch your votes if no meaningful discussion happens.

Feral has a plurality of the votes (3, while all other options are 2 or 0), so Feral will get lynched if no one changes their vote.

April 28, 2012
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Yeano

Thanks Yeano for the clarification. But we still need to decide on a night action after the day round Right?

April 28, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Yes.

April 28, 2012
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Yeano

I would rather kill Roxas, but I will go with Knux. Redack seems fine to silence.

April 28, 2012
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Helius

Actually, if you kill Roxas... people will not believe what Knux had to say due to him being "drunk" or crazy... lol. Just a thought.

April 28, 2012
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Helius

It won't really matter if we make it to midnight. With one dead and one silenced, the ratio will be 3-3. We all vote no vote, we kill someone off at night and silence again, and we've won.

April 29, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Vote now!

April 29, 2012
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Yeano

I vote Roxas. I'd suggest we silence Redack.

April 29, 2012
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Helius

I vote kill knux, just because I'm so tired of his whining and Silence Redack.

But I will go with the what you guys agree on.

So if we kill one and silence one of them tonight then they only have 2 that can vote and we have 3 in the day round. Why not instead of No Vote, just all 3 of us vote on one of them and end it in the day round. Can that happen and end the game?

By the way guys, Again great job.

April 29, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Actually that's why I voted Roxas... torture. Um, but that's not fair. Roxas is a threat. I don't think Knuckles is much of one.

April 29, 2012
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Helius

It doesn't matter anymore. As long as we all vote no vote during the day round, and I silence someone, the game is over. They can't be a threat anymore because they can't kill us at night OR in the day round anymore. Thusly, I vote to kill 'Roxas', and I'll go ahead and silence Redack.

April 29, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Actually, lets all just vote for Knuckles because that would be pretty funny.

April 29, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Okay, I vote Knuckles.

April 29, 2012
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Helius

Well, I meant in the day round but sure, I'll vote to kill off Knuckles now too.

April 29, 2012
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Shadowwalked

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