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game 4 thread 6 the end youve met with a terrible fate havent you

Posted April 29, 2012 by Yeano

Continued from [p:64898].

THE END.

Boom. Death. A deadly strike shot down Knukles2000, and then, the mafia was the same as the townies in number.

The Mafia members pulled out their guns.

Helius, the godfather, shot and killed `Roxas`, a Townie.

Shadowwalked, the Silencer, shot and killed Malas, a Townie.

Finally, chiefsonny, the Mafioso, pulled out his gun and killed Redack, a Townie.

1. Zanic - Double-voter
2. `Roxas` - Townie
3. CtR Black - Governor
4. white lancer - Townie
5. Shadowwalked - Silencer
6. MajorasMask9 - Executioner
7. Knukles2000 - Townie
8. Xhin - Townie
9. LLight - Cop
10. hezekiah - Vigilante
11. Helius - Godfather
12. chiefsonny - Mafioso
13. Bubba - Ghoul
14. Malas - Townie
15. Teddy-Son - Doctor
16. Feral - Townie
17. Redack - Townie
18. #85 - Thug

Mafia-Town Ratio: 3-3

Roles: Godfather, Executioner, Silencer, Thug, Mafioso, Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Governor, Double-voter, Ghoul

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MajorasMask9

HA. HA. I Frickin told you all, but you didn't listen. Feral was a Townie, I was a townie, Roxas was a townie. and the mafia, well I did a lot of switching around, but still.

I'm glad this game is over. But damn, EVERYONE is inevitably going to blame me for this game when it was pretty much the town as a whole. Then when I play the next game, everyone is going to drag that around saying KNUCKLES IS A WILDCARD! KILL HIM!

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Knukles2000

Knux tried warning y'all, with a sound argument. I considered talking after he made a post so that it would end at the close of Day 5, but chose not to do so.

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`Roxas`

Finally... lol.

As much as I have poked fun at you Knuckles in the Mafia thread, I give you Kudos for figuring out the Mafia even if it was too late to save the town.

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Helius

Wait, I was a Mafia? Who would have known {troll}

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Shadowwalked

Honestly, I think that people will blame LLight instead of you, Knukles.

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Yeano

Such a frustrating game for me. I was making logical arguments but everyone was so convinced that LLight was Mafia (and me by association) that no one listened to me. :( There's plenty of blame to go around, but probably the worst was letting LLight get to 5 votes so early in the third round. The Executioner didn't actually kill anyone, but his presence helped decide the game there, because we would have been able to save LLight after he insinuated that he was the Cop.

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white lancer

Thanks, Rox.

Helius, you kept going all :/ then defending Llight cause you knew Llight would be innocent, I assume. You went ahead and though that would make you look innocent, and make us look guilty for going against him. It was really frustrating going on knowing your a mastermind mafia, I'm suspected, and I have little to no way of convincing people. Why I tried searching other possible mafia first waiting for you to slip up.

Shadow, I suspected you at first, but I suppose I was wrong to drop that.

Thanks, Yeano. It's not easy being Knuckles ANYWHERE on this site though, I imagine i'm at least going to take some heat.

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Knukles2000

I knew, Shadow. Additionally, since I was correct in my accusations against you and Chief, I won the side-bet, and you both owe me that public aknwoledgement that I out-witted you(even if is was to late).

Lastly, Helius, you are an ass for pointlessly dragging out that last round. Why not just kill me from the start?

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Feral

I was actually at school and work all that day. I didn't know you were on the chopping block till it was too late. I then had to play the silence card because in previous games that had gotten me too much attention [claiming to be at work and school {even though I was}].

Sorry, Feral.

Knuckles, I do want to apologize. I was trying to play the game. I know you were a bit frustrated, but when Llight declared mind-F***** everyone, I knew I'd be safe. It was best that I was wild and unpredictable.

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Helius

Lastly, Helius, you are an ass for pointlessly dragging out that last round. Why not just kill me from the start?

He obviously was doing everything he could to make himself look townie sided.

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Knukles2000

I was going to screw my none existent points by coming back from the dead and going all "Llight was playing with our heads by talking to to people through IM! Llight was cheating." But I was too late. But I am sure you all know Llight loves to play with us ;)

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Teddy-Son

1st kudos to the 4 great players it was my pleasure to be on the same team with.

MajorasMask9, Shadowwalked, #85 and Helius you guys are truly great Mafia players. I've played in every game and have been on the wining side, but I never had this much fun, I learned a lot from watching you guys.

LLight you to are a great player. You should know that we had a lot of respect for you and knew we had to get you out of the game as soon as possible.

Feral and Knukles. It was never personal at anytime. If we did not try to make you look Mafia in any way we could, then we would have and should have lost the game. We wanted to win just like you guys did.

Redack, good job for a new player. You made it to the last round{:P}

Xhin, my friend, you amaze me, all ways looking for a way to get killed early

To the rest of the players, I did not have that much contact with you, but I think you are all good players and I look forward to playing with you again some time.

Yeano. Great job as usual. Thanks

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chiefsonny
 

Haha. I thought you were talking about Thursday, Feral.

He obviously was doing everything he could to make himself look townie sided.

And Knux is right. I was trying to plan ahead. If I had voted for you, Knux would have used it against me. Knux had already "angered" me so my actions could be seen as a revenge vote. Or following Llight's logic in the Dead Posts.

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Helius

Na, you played a good game as Mafia. Far better than I did the last games I was mafia. Don't let my unstable emotions trouble you with TACTICS in the game. It's just when people bring personal matters outside of the game, and apply to the game that I get pissed, not just frustrated.

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Knukles2000

I see. Still, if LLight hadn't put that stupid message to me in his last thread, giving Chief and Shadow a weapon, I think the town may have been able to turn this one around.

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Feral

For the record, I have never been anything but a plain Townie, so I also had te inexperience thing against me(though not as bad as the amazing Redack).

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Feral

Oh, and my bad.

Hezy, did not mean to forget you buddy. You were another one we had a hard time deciding what we should do. We could not decided for a while rather it was you or Xhin that was the Vig.

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chiefsonny
 

I'd like to thank everyone as well for the game. Especially, I'd like to thank my team-mates.

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Helius

Damn it, I want to read the Mafia, Cop and Doctor threads!

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hezekiah

Fine! {>:(}

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Yeano

Well, now I don't feel so bad about losing, since THE MAFIA FUCKING CHEATED!

...oh, and our "unbiased" host not only was fully aware, but did nothing to stop it.

A glitch in the Mafia's voting system caused both Bubba and Teddy to be revealed as power rolls on night one.

Oh, and cheifsonny, your a fucking hypocryte for flipping out on me for accidentally finding Xhin's roll, and acusing me of abusing the forum.

I'm done with this fucking game. It's not fun anymore.

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Feral

Well, I was already planning on giving Bubba and Teddy pity points and not giving winning points to the mafia.

But I could change my decision on that, if you want, Feral.

April 29, 2012
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Yeano

Feral, you're overreacting. But yeah, take a break.

That was some of the most fun I've had in a mafia game for a while. The mafia players played very very well, although I still managed to trick them :P

You guys rocked!

LLight, I still don't understand why you didn't reveal more -- what was that loophole you were supposedly going to pull anyway?

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Xhin
Sky's the limit

@Yeano: Are you up for hosting game 5, or is that the one I have to host?

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Xhin
Sky's the limit

While I will have a busy week, I can manage.

Especially since sign-ups and Day 1 will likely take the whole week.

I'll be gone in July, so I will need you to take over then.

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Yeano

"I'm done with this fucking game. It's not fun anymore."

If you're going to take your marbles and go home can you at least leave the shooter here so the mature kids can still play?

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chiefsonny
 

I knew, Shadow. Additionally, since I was correct in my accusations against you and Chief, I won the side-bet, and you both owe me that public aknwoledgement that I out-witted you(even if is was to late).

Ah, its only out-witting us if you would have managed to kill us.

Well, now I don't feel so bad about losing, since THE MAFIA FUCKING CHEATED!

Honestly, the opportunity was there for everyone. We all voted, so you could have pulled the same act on us, killing us off rather quickly. I wouldn't call it cheating, just that you didn't notice something.

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Shadowwalked

Well chief, I don't know of many people who enjoy playing with (against) such blatant cheaters.

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hezekiah

I'll be gone in July, so I will need you to take over then.

Sounds good.

April 29, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Also, for kicks, I want to inform you that I did make an attempt to remedy the situation. True, I could have done it differently, but I really didn't want to have to rearrange roles and redo night 0 all over again. It literally takes me 45 minutes to an hour to start a new game (between randomizing roles, assigning roles, setting up the threads - which I would have had to do again, and actually putting the finishing touches on everything to start the game).

Anyway, the attempt I made was making the generic EVERYONE CHAT HERE thread (which was since deleted). That thread caused everyone to be able to cast votes (or... had to cast votes). This caused the vote casting system to be less detrimental to the game. Yes, I should have changed it. I didn't. Oh well. What's done is done, and I am remedying the situation in the distribution of player points.

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Yeano

"Well chief, I don't know of many people who enjoy playing with (against) such blatant cheaters."

If you're talking about the glitch that showed Bubba and Teddy voting in the first night round.
That was reported to Yeano if I recall because I was concerned and complained about it in the Mafia thread.
Were we susposed to pretend we did not see it?

You have problem with that, which we did not cause, but it's OK for players that are still alive in the game to im each other and tell each other who and what they are.
Yea, I guess that's cool not cheating.

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chiefsonny
 

Yes, I should have changed it. I didn't. Oh well. What's done is done, and I am remedying the situation in the distribution of player points.

Honestly, either team could have used it, and it would have given the townies side a much better advantage than it did us. Sure, we killed the Doctor, but had someone from the town noticed that Chief, Helius, Majora, and myself had all voted, we'd have been ruined by night one.

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Shadowwalked

Honestly, the opportunity was there for everyone. We all voted, so you could have pulled the same act on us, killing us off rather quickly. I wouldn't call it cheating, just that you didn't notice something.

The game started after I went to bed so I didn't see this happen.

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LLight

I was also rolling in my grave laughing my ass off because Feral or Redack could have cleared his name or at least tried to when hezekiah finally died.

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LLight

"The game started after I went to bed so I didn't see this happen."

The first night round due to a glitch if you clicked on the link that showed all the names of those voting, it showed who people in the night round in every night thread was voting for.
We were all concerned because if it carried over into the day round,it could spell big trouble for us since we were at a large disadvantage in numbers

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chiefsonny
 

The game started after I went to bed so I didn't see this happen.

Oh, I figured you would be the first to see it. I was terrified you were going to vote us off as soon as the game started.

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Shadowwalked

Chief: I've said REPEATEDLY that I don't like the allowing of out-of-forum discussion between players. Fact is, though, not doing it when it'd help your cause is a fucking foolish choice.

And there's a HUGE difference between an AIM strategy session and taking advantage of a voting bug the players have no control over. Yeah yeah, "but anybody could've noticed it". Guess what, only 1/18 did. And that 1/18 was then safely able to share the info with 4 more. Do you really think knowing two of the power roles before anything of consequence happened in the game due to something outside of the game itself played no part in your win?

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hezekiah

Meh, i'd play this again even if people cheated. This game is fun. Frustrating, but fun. maybe sometime i'll actually get an important TOWN SIDED role as i've been waiting for. Not that being the silencer and Thug didn't have it's perks though. ;P

April 29, 2012
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Knukles2000

Also, Yeano needs to clear up the role rules. Mafia knew that the Thug *HAD TO* die for another mafioso at his first opportunity, but everything the rest of us were able to see said that it was only a mandatory sacrifice during the night round.

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hezekiah

I had no idea about the whole role voting thing until Majora talked about it in the Dead thread. Maybe I would have noticed something if I hadn't been a normal Townie (and so if I had wound up casting a vote as well), but as it was I really didn't have anything to pay attention to until Night 0 ended except for the Chat thread.

Chief makes a good point, though--it's not like they could pretend they didn't see what they saw. Besides, Teddy gave himself away as a special role, so the only one they got from that was Bubba (who wasn't even a Town-sided role). There were still plenty of opportunities for the Town to win the game and we blew it. Good game, Mafia.

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white lancer

"Do you really think knowing two of the power roles before anything of consequence happened in the game due to something outside of the game itself played no part in your win?"

Had we not made Yeano aware of the glitch. Yes. And yes it gave us the id's of two of the town, but it still left you guys with a 6 player advantage. The game started out, Mafia 5 Townsided 13. The glitch brought that down to 3-11 if we did not get one of our team killed in the day round.

And how do you think a AIM strategy between players from different teams is ok?

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chiefsonny
 

Just for you, chief:

I wouldn't miss it at all if out-of-forum contact between players was outlawed.

To answer your explicit question, it's "ok" because nobody's compelled to reveal any information about themselves over AIM. Teddy and Bubba had no say in the matter.

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hezekiah

The idea of the game is to have it be balanced, 50/50 at the start, based on the mafia:town:other ratio. Based on the bug, things tilted in your favor right from the start.

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hezekiah

And thanks white lancer, because you're right, it really only helped us take out Bubba. Because Teddy dug his own grave.

And here's the bottom line for me. I'm not very good at this game, but I enjoy playing it. We won not because of a glitch, we won because of the 4 other great players that made up our team. AndI thank themn again for taking me along on the ride.

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chiefsonny
 

Just because somebody claims a special role, doesn't mean they are one. Just ask Xhin.

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hezekiah

"I wouldn't miss it at all if out-of-forum contact between players was outlawed"

I agree 1000%

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chiefsonny
 

And the mafia were not the only night roles. How do we know that all the night roles did not see the same thing we saw and did not report it or admit seeing it. We'll never know for sure will we?

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chiefsonny
 

Here's what happened:

The Ghoul's death did not hurt the town. He was aiming for a mafia position anyway. Being killed only prevented you from having an additional mafia player (potentially).

Teddy also posted in the thread that he was a power role. That made him stand out. Yes, the vote gave more solid proof that he was a power role, but it is likely that the mafia would have gone after him anyway.

Feral found my tools for the game. He only saw that Xhin was assigned the role of "Townie." I find this particularly amazing that he did not find chiefsonny's role, since his account is near the top of the list too. Anyway, based on what happened, Feral did not receive a penalty.

I also, theoretically, should have restarted the game after Feral discovered that Xhin was a Townie as well.

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Yeano

There's no way to enforce OoG talk and it was basically sanctioned in the game 4 registration thread. I did not seriously consider using it until Xhin messaged me. That's shortly after I came up with a loophole strategy because obviously, everyone was dying to know. Good to see at least one person found it, but it was all about the timing.

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LLight

Well despite all that went down, and yes I didn't care for some of it, it's over and done and all this bitching is not going to change anything.

Yeano, you're doing a good job, a few mistakes or things missed is not going to have me asking for you to step down. keep up the good work. Things will get better as you see what will help the game.

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chiefsonny
 

I know that I would have gone after Teddy after seeing what he posted--even though it wasn't proof he was a role, the way Teddy plays makes it very likely. It's a little unfortunate that stuff like that happened, but ultimately I don't think it had too much of an impact on the game. As I said in the Dead thread, we as a Town made some really terrible decisions entirely on our own and we basically dug our own graves. With help from some skillful play on the Mafia's part, of course.

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white lancer

Fun game, despite me not getting to play.

I'm in the next round for sure.

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Bubba

I've been monitoring the threads since day one, looking at them several times throughout each day.

I'm so fucking ready to play.

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Eagle0
 

Go ahead and sign me up for next game, too.

And good game, fellow mafia!

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Shadowwalked

Could have sworn I posted something else here, but I guess not. Any way, here it is:

Great game by the Mafia. Had it not been for LLight revealing MM9, I have no doubts that you guys would have had a perfect game. Congrats to each of you.

LLight: Had I noticed what you were saying sooner, I would have changed my vote to another option. It just didn't make any sense to me why you were changing your strategy suddenly, and instead of going through each possibility (Cop or Vig then Mafia) I jumped to the last. I apologize.

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`Roxas`

I was so convinced you were Mafia because you were jumping to conclusions, Roxas. Seemed out of character for you.

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white lancer

At first I thought you guys were calling me stupid for the fact that I was telling everyone I had a special role but that's not it is it?

I'll do better next time that's all. I just figured "hey a doctor could help the mafia or the town out." Too bad I am not as good as you guys cause you got here before me. Always happens, I come into the game late and everyone is already better then me.

Oh well nothing I can do about I still had fun {:)}

Despite the fact that Llgiht played all of us and I got board while being dead. I just hope that next game we don't fight too much okay? {:3}

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Teddy-Son

Looking back I wish I hadn't done that and would have completely understood my being lynched a result because of it.

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`Roxas`

5. Shadowwalked - Silencer

SHADOWWALKED! How dare you silence me on the first day! When you're online, I'm going to get you!

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Redack

@Feral

If you hadn't been so accusing towards me I might have listened :'( then you pulled that uber desperate move of "I'll quit if I'm wrong" and I was like o.O

Anyway that was a fun game ^_^

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Redack

Hmm just got finished reading over the mafia thread. So I guess I must have really been an ass on the 23rd. I'm sorry everyone, especially to Knuckles. That wasn't my clearest day and I guess I didn't know you as well as I thought I had. So I'm not sure if I play the next game. Maybe I'll take a little break.

And an fyi, this game would have lasted another round if we voted No Kill like I planned, or at least until hezekiah died.

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LLight

Hate to bring it back up again, but honestly I hated the idea of using the vote system mishap in choosing nightkill targets. As was already said though, I couldn't just pretend I didn't see that, and there was always the chance that one of the more technical players like LLight or Xhin could have caught on as well and identified 4/5 of the mafia as special roles.

Yeano also brought up reasons why this wasn't even hurtful to the town. Bubba was the ghoul and was trying to become a sixth mafia member. Had we not killed him, and had he guessed right, we would have just ended up winning sooner. Teddy revealed he was a power role in the next day round and what he said by itself made us want to target him. And honestly, if we weren't so distracted by Bubba and Teddy, I might have even argued a case to kill LLight off sooner.

If you don't want to play again because of that, I'd say you're being a bit silly. The game is still in its early stages and things are still being worked out. It's definitely not as bad now as it was in the first game, when the townies all had unique numbers and a simple mass roleclaim identified all of the mafia members. Which was also back in a time when you could tell when the mafia members were online just by watching the reply counter on their thread in conjunction with the online users list. It'll only improve in later games, but if we lose players then it really won't matter.

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MajorasMask9

SHADOWWALKED! How dare you silence me on the first day! When you're online, I'm going to get you!

{O:-)}

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Shadowwalked

{:/}

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Redack

Just finished reading the Mafia thread, and damn y'all were amazing with every move y'all made (with the exception of the last round when chief said "we win" in the main thread, thought that gave it away; obviously, the town was too blind to see it).

But truly marvelous game by the Mafia, and a sub-par one by the town, with the loss of the Cop squarely on my shoulders.

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`Roxas`

"(with the exception of the last round when chief said "we win" in the main thread, thought that gave it away; obviously, the town was too blind to see it)

You don't know how much I wanted to do a edit and reword it, but I thought that would make matters worst.{:(}
But as you say the town did not pick up on it. Talk about dodging a bullet.{:P}

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chiefsonny
 

Well, outside of Knux the town did not pick up on it. {:P}

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`Roxas`

I don't understand why people cheat. I would think it takes the fun out of the game.

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Zanic

i agree one hundred percent zanic

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