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game 42 day 3 a terrible tragedy to the town

Posted March 23, 2016 by Xhin

"We call him the walking dead man," said The Mafia.

"I guess that's what I am," said Working Man

His tombstone:

___//----------------\\
__//-------------------\\
_//----------------------\\
-------------------------\\
|| ....... Here Lies .........||
|| ......Working Man ..... ||
|| ..........3/15 - 3/22 ... ||
|| ..... "It seems to me ..||
|| ... I could live my life. ||
|| .........a lot better...... ||
|| ......if I wasn't dead"... ||
|| ................................ ||
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||



1. Working Man -- Townie
2. Anthem
3. By-Tor
4. Snow Dog
5. Fly By Night
6. 2112
7. Passage to Bangkok
8. Farewell to Kings
9. Xanadu -- Had a close brush with death
10. Cinderella Man
11. Circumstances
12. The Trees
13. La Villa Strangiato
14. Spirit of Radio -- Still alive. Take that how you will!
15. Freewill
16. Jacob's Ladder
17. Tom Sawyer
18. YYZ
19. Limelight
20. Subdivisions

Ratio: 15, 5

Roles:
Kingpin, Enforcer, Rebel, Mafiosox2
Bumbling Cop, Security Guard, Doctor, Shaman, Roommatesx2, Towniesx8

14 votes for the same option before 7pm 3/23
-- OR --
11pm, 3/25

((Note, the rounds will start ending at 9pm, however I'm making an exception for this one because I always have friday dinner with my mom and we tend to stay out pretty late))

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I'm still alive? Well played mafia, well played.

March 23, 2016
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YYZ

I have some thoughts on general strategy and who we should lynch today, but before I start throwing accusations and votes down, I'm curious to see who the Enforcer attacked last night. That should give us three "confirmed" innocents.

I'll post my thoughts late tonight if no one comes forward before then.

March 23, 2016
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Spirit of Radio

(oh and ratio should be 14-5)

March 23, 2016
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Spirit of Radio

Oh shit looking now I am beat up.

For some reason this keeps you from your room? Anyways doctor please heal.

March 23, 2016
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YYZ

I almost feel like it would be wiser for the mafia to not beat someone up every night because it's narrowing the pool of possible guilty players.

March 23, 2016
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Fly By Night

Also, YYZ had a joking reason to vote for Tor, but Subdivision had no such motive. He just said "what the hell..."

The motive was literally the same as YYZ's. Except, it's a random vote because I thought a vote would be better than no vote.

March 23, 2016
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Subdivisions

Honestly at this point, I'm a bit confused about YYZ. Why would you vote for yourself at the beginning of the round applauding the mafia for letting you live??

And if you have a room, why would you mention it? So the Mafia can take you out? I don't know about this...

March 23, 2016
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Jacob's Ladder

Also Xhin never said that having the "Beat Up" status prevented actions

March 23, 2016
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Jacob's Ladder

I've already role claimed as a roommate, what's interesting is roommate#2 has been active in every thread but has not also role claimed.

Also, my role was changed to beat up so when I try to enter the roommate thread it says "you are not part of this mafia role"

I voted for myself because why not, I had no intention of keeping the vote.

Honestly, how have yall not figured out my real identity yet?

March 23, 2016
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YYZ

Dead Man Walking didn't really say anything that gives any clues to why he was killed. That means they picked him at random. That also doesn't help us to work out who the mafia are.

I don't have many ideas right now so I am willing to go along with any suggestions that are brought forward.

March 23, 2016
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Anthem

Oh that's right you did I forgot... It's hard for me to remember these random names. Chill.

March 23, 2016
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Jacob's Ladder

Do we even need the second roommate to come forward? It's early in the game for that and we know YYZ is innocent anyway.

I want to vote for someone today. Just not sure who. Even a random vote or voting against an inactive player should be better than another No Kill.

March 23, 2016
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Circumstances

Whatever happens I won't let yall kill roommate #2 so there's that. I'm open to any other suggestions though.

March 23, 2016
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YYZ

Just to point something out

Since it was brought up in several threads, and you guys are going down that path already...

  • A "beat up" claim is exactly that. A claim.
  • The doctor can choose to heal them, but doesn't get any confirmation as to whether they were actually beaten up or not.

  • If someone gets beaten up and dies of their wounds, I will reveal that they died from their wounds (confirming their beat up claim).

    Since this reveal came late, I'll go ahead and verify that Spirit of Radio *was* beaten up and the doctor did a good job fixing them. (Although that still doesn't 100% confirm their innocence)

    However from this point forward keep in mind that beaten up claims may not be honest. This makes the Doctor'a choice even harder as the game progresses and should lead to an interesting game.

    Happy head hunting :)

    • March 23, 2016
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    Another Note

    Like in game 9, I will be putting roleclaims and other useful information in the player list.. however the only *actual* confirmation of their role happens when they die.

    March 23, 2016
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    I still think The Trees is our best bet. Not only for the reasons mentioned yesterday, but also for some interesting picks yesterday. Like:

    With that in mind, I'd rather kill someone than do a no-kill, but I think I'd rather do a no-kill than kill Tom Sawyer.

    If you're not wanting to do a no kill, why not pick an inactive if you have no suspicions? I think The Trees might be Mafia and Tom Sawyer might be as well, hence the defense.

    Jacob's Ladder was the first to defend The Trees after my accusation yesterday, so he might be first on my list after this. Not only for that but for going after a basically confirmed innocent in YYZ today.

    March 23, 2016
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    Xanadu

    Still have two players not to post at all. Are we expecting host kills, Xhin?

    March 23, 2016
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    Cinderella Man

    Not only for that but for going after a basically confirmed innocent in YYZ today.

    Trees hasn't posted today, that was actually Jacob's Ladder. I'm fine with either of them honestly and will split the vote so that the others feel like they have some sort of choice. I would prefer it if we could kill someone today though. Three no kills in a row might be a bit much.

    March 23, 2016
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    YYZ

    But I said that it slipped my mind??? It's not like I voted for them. I'm innocent but I don't want to give hints. I'm gonna go with this because I also don't wanna no kill today

    March 23, 2016
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    Jacob's Ladder

    Hmm... looks like the options today are between Trees and Jacob. Gonna keep listening.

    March 24, 2016
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    Passage to Bangkok

    Been busy, but I'm back in the game now.

    From what I've been reading, I'm going to agree with YYZ and Xanadu on the current situation at hand.

    March 24, 2016
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    La Villa Strangiato

    YYZ claimed roommate, which is essentially the absolute one power role you don't want to false claim as A) you double your chances of someone realizing you're full of shit and B) roommates serve no real purpose to the town, so the real roommates would be happy to counterclaim and get a free mafia kill. Voting for him is incredibly silly at this point.

    I was not thinking clearly at all yesterday when I agreed that we shouldn't be killing inactive players. Inactive players are exactly the people we should be killing. Xhin said:

    If a power role goes both a day round and a night round without doing anything, I will host kill them and get a townie/mafioso to take their place. This seems fair because of the small number of power roles and the large number of players.


    From my understanding of this, only town sided power roles will be host killed. This is a pretty big advantage to the town, as any inactive player becomes an *easy* lynch for us, because we can't possibly seriously hurt ourselves by accidentally killing our Doctor or something. It also gives us better odds at a successful lynch. If we random lynched today, we'd have a 5 in 19 chance of successfully killing a mafia. If we lynch an inactive player, we have a 5 in 13 chance of a successful lynch.

    So, who has been inactive? We had three players not say anything on Day 1:

    Freewill
    Jacob's Ladder
    Tom Sawyer

    Of those three, only one has ever said *anything.* If I were mafia, I'd want to say *something* at some point to try and avoid suspicion. Because Jacob's Ladder has said something, I believe he's the most likely of these three to be mafia. He's also currently trying to kill our Roommate, so there's that.

    The only downside to this analysis is if a power role can avoid a lynch by speaking in their own thread. Clarification from Xhin on this issue would be nice, but I think this would be a really terrible way to handle inactive players, so I don't think that's how it works. I will of course reconsider if Xhin confirms this though. I may be fine with lynching Jacob's Ladder anyway though.

    March 24, 2016
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    Spirit of Radio

    Oh, Xhin also said this. Missed it somehow:

    Non-power roles won't be host killed but they won't be on the short list for getting host killed roles either.


    So yeah, good bye Mr. Ladder.

    March 24, 2016
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    Spirit of Radio

    (I guess he didn't try to kill our Roommate BUT STILL IM RIGHT I THINK)

    March 24, 2016
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    Spirit of Radio

    Oh my.

    Xanadu you should vote again to fix the vote tally. It did it with me too.

    March 24, 2016
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    YYZ

    If you looked, I clearly said I wasn't able to post because of the glitches Xhin just fixed. I even made a post saying that I couldn't???

    March 24, 2016
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    Jacob's Ladder

    Like seriously guys voting for me is an awful choice

    March 24, 2016
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    Jacob's Ladder

    Eh Jacob's Ladder could be right. For now.

    March 24, 2016
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    Subdivisions

    A little late getting in today, sorry. I agree that we need to move beyond the "no killing" stage if we want to make progress, so I'm glad there's at least a starting direction people have in mind. I haven't looked back at the previous rounds yet to see if anything stands out from what we know now, so I don't know how I feel about the current votes. The main reason i wanted to post now was because I noticed this:

    14 votes for the same option before 7pm 3/23
    -- OR --
    11pm, 3/25

    Is that supposed to be 11pm on the 24th? I thought we were doing 48-hour day rounds.

    March 24, 2016
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    2112

    Changing my vote

    March 24, 2016
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    YYZ

    Well, we need someone, and Tree is as good as anyone.

    March 24, 2016
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    Passage to Bangkok

    Doh'

    March 24, 2016
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    Passage to Bangkok

  • yeah oops it's because I updated after midnight. Day round ends tomorrow night

  • no host kills at all for the time being.

    • March 24, 2016
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    I think there's more chance of this guy being mafia than The Trees.

    I also don't want to anger the Ents.

    March 24, 2016
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    Anthem

    I see the points on each side, but right now I think The Trees is more likely to be mafia. I'm not completely set on it, though, so I would be open to hearing his response.

    March 24, 2016
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    2112

    I really don't know what's going on because I'm dealing with a lot of things at work, but it seems that this forest is infested.

    March 24, 2016
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    Farewell to Kings

    Didn't take long for this bandwagon to get started. Jacob's Ladder's story seems reasonable to me so I don't really want to vote for them. There's not much to go on with The Trees, but I suppose we have to start somewhere. Would be nice if they would say something in their defense before we lynched them, though.

    Why no host kills? We have two players who haven't said a single thing across two and a half day rounds. There's no good excuse for that.

    March 24, 2016
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    Circumstances

    Never liked trees myself.

    March 24, 2016
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    By-Tor

    You guys are totally barking up the wrong tree. Why don't you guys leaf me alone?

    Anyway, have fun playing the rest of the game without your security guard.

    March 24, 2016
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    The Trees

    Why no host kills? We have two players who haven't said a single thing across two and a half day rounds. There's no good excuse for that.

    They're people that haven't played mafia in a while and the overarching goal with this game is to get more people into mafia.

    I'll reach out to them tonight and try to bring them back into the fold.

    March 24, 2016
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    Anyway, have fun playing the rest of the game without your security guard.

    (:O)

    Well then...

    March 24, 2016
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    By-Tor

    That's a bold claim. Chances are the mafia is going to target you this night round if you really are the sec guard. However, it would be a good thing for a mafia member to claim because the real security guard counter-claiming would result in more of the same, a dead security guard by the end of the night round.

    So the way I see it:

    1. We kill you, you are security guard, mafia kills me probably.

    2. Another security guard counterclaims, we revoke our votes, both people live through the night, I die.

    3. No one else counterclaims but we revoke our votes.

    3.5. You are killed in the night round because you are the security guard

    3.8. You are spared through the night round because you are mafia.

    4. You are spared through the night round to throw us off and have you lynched the next day round.


    I'm sorry, but imho even if you are the security guard our safest bet now is to kill you.

    March 24, 2016
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    YYZ

    lol ok

    March 24, 2016
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    The Trees

    Guess I'll fight a little harder for my survival then.

    I still think The Trees is our best bet. Not only for the reasons mentioned yesterday


    Because I wanted clarification on something that I thought was a bit fishy?

    If you're not wanting to do a no kill, why not pick an inactive if you have no suspicions?


    I already provided my reasoning during the previous round.

    and Tom Sawyer might be as well, hence the defense.


    Innocent people defend guilty people by mistake all the time. You need more evidence before you condemn someone for that sort of thing.

    Jacob's Ladder was the first to defend The Trees after my accusation yesterday, so he might be first on my list after this.


    Same as above - innocent people defend guilty people by mistake all the time. I think it's foolish to automatically condemn Jacob's Ladder just because he defended someone you think is Mafia. And by that token... when I'm killed and proven innocent, you should not take that to be proof of his innocence either.

    Whether or not I die, it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Is this mob mentality, doing the mafia's work for them, or are the mafia themselves hopping on the bandwagon hoping to get an easy kill? I'm gonna grab some popcorn for this.

    March 24, 2016
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    The Trees

    If no one counterclaims, honestly I think it'd be better to vote for an inactive. No point in having people around that won't talk though I would hate to kill a townie...

    I'm pretty certain that Tom Sawyer and Freewill are Townies. That's who I would vote for. We know YYZ is innocent. We're pretty sure Xanadu is innocent. Them again we could keep them there to keep our numbers up.

    I'm gonna do this for now till I get home.

    March 24, 2016
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    Jacob's Ladder

    Fucking hell. We have to figure something out before 9pm tonight though so...

    March 24, 2016
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    YYZ

    Trees, can you do me a flavor and vote for something, even if it's "not voting" I want to see if it goes in the second or third column.

    March 24, 2016
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    Growlithe

    Teehee

    March 24, 2016
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    The Trees

    I'm jay-kaying of course

    March 24, 2016
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    The Trees

    And yea the tally columns can get messed up sometimes. This has been an issue for a while.

    March 24, 2016
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    The Trees

    Now that is really weird. @Xhin: look at the current tally.

    March 24, 2016
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    Growlithe

    Anyway, have fun playing the rest of the game without your security guard.




    Well I definitely don't think we should kill Trees unless we get a counter from someone. I also think it's pretty weird that YYZ would try to push for a kill on him regardless of the reveal but no one has disputed his roommate claim, so.

    I hate no-killing this late into the game but I also hate betrayals. However, a no-kill this round would not be so bad with the number of players we have this time around, opposed to the last few ten-people games. I would feel more comfortable trying to get a verdict from our cop with the info that has been provided.

    If YYZ did not have his roommate claim I would be voting for him after pushing on our Security Tree.

    If we are going to kill someone I think it should be someone from the inactive pool.

    March 24, 2016
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    Fly By Night

    It should be noted that Passage to Bankok did not vote for The Trees

    March 24, 2016
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    Limelight

    voting

    March 24, 2016
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    Limelight

    NM s/he changed his vote. my bad

    March 24, 2016
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    Limelight

    Okay, well obviously I'm not voting for The Trees now. Without anything really to go off I think it's time to start taking out the trash.

    March 24, 2016
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    Circumstances

    It should be noted that Passage to Bankok did not vote for The Trees

    Yeah I did. I hit the wrong name in the vote menu first, and had to correct it. Anyway, I'm not comfortable lynching a posible power role.

    March 24, 2016
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    Passage to Bangkok

    The security guard has literally no reason to reveal right now. If they actually are the security guard, they would get taken out by the mafia next round. If they are they could get taken out by us this round. Either way they lose. This is why I doubt Tree's claim and maintain my vote for now. Of course Trees could be telling the truth since they know the futility of the situation, but it's just as likely that Trees is mafia looking for a cover.

    March 24, 2016
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    Subdivisions

    Oh dang. Someone already beat me to saying that.

    March 24, 2016
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    Subdivisions

    I'm sorry, but imho even if you are the security guard our safest bet now is to kill you.

    Well that's the dumbest thing I've read in this thread.

    Trees could be a mafia trying to get the security guard to reveal himself in a last ditch effort. I don't lean in this direction, but if this is the case, I caution the real security guard NOT to come out. The guard is our last cog keeping the enforcer's victims alive.

    March 24, 2016
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    Cinderella Man

    Just to let you guys know, the round will be ending 9pm tonight (three and a half hours from now)

    I know the thread said 11pm but that's because I thought it was supposed to end Friday.

    Tomorrow's night round will end at 11pm however.

    March 24, 2016
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    For clarification, the current tally is

    Trees- 6
    Jacob- 2
    Tom Sawyer- 2
    No Kill- 1
    Haven't voted/Undecided- 8

    If we want to save Trees, somthing needs to happen NOW. If we want him to die, we just wait it out.

    March 24, 2016
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    Passage to Bangkok

    .

    March 24, 2016
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    YYZ

    They're people that haven't played mafia in a while and the overarching goal with this game is to get more people into mafia.

    You should not be making rules and then not following through with them just cuz.

    Honestly, it's a huge fucking joke that we're forty two games into Mafia and we still don't have consistent host killing rules.

    I'll change my vote to try and avoid disaster, but I still think JL is the slightly better pick.

    March 24, 2016
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    Spirit of Radio

    lol i can't tell what's going on with the tally table

    Which would you rather have, Spirit? 8-person games that end in 2 days every time or ones like this?

    March 24, 2016
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    Snow Dog

    Yeah, great games like this- where people aren't participating and rules aren't consistent. What a dream mafia game.

    We can have big games and also have rules that are fair and make sense. I stopped playing Mafia because of inactive players, and I doubt I'm the only one, so to suggest that we have to just put up with people abandoning the game in order for Mafia to be popular is ludicrous.

    March 25, 2016
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    Spirit of Radio

    The security guard has literally no reason to reveal right now


    Yeah, besides the whole town-is-trying-to-kill-me thing. :')

    March 25, 2016
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    The Trees

    .

    March 25, 2016
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    La Villa Strangiato

    Yeah, besides the whole town-is-trying-to-kill-me thing. :')

    And the mafia will the next round if we don't and if you aren't mafia. So what changes?

    March 25, 2016
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    Subdivisions

    If Tom is innocent there's probably a fair chance that Trees is mafia.

    March 25, 2016
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    Subdivisions

    Okay...I said I was interested in a response from The Trees but that was a little more than I expected. I can see the logic in YYZ's initial response, but with no one actually countering the claim I do think we're better off taking his word for it. It's pretty early in the game and there will be a lot of time for him to be exposed if he's lying.

    I don't know what the accurate vote tally is and whether this will mean much, but I'll take my vote off him all the same.

    March 25, 2016
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    2112

    Let's weed out the inactive players then.

    March 25, 2016
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    Cinderella Man

    What's the verdict, GTX0? I'm actually going to update the round at 9 tonight!

    March 25, 2016
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    And the mafia will the next round if we don't and if you aren't mafia. So what changes?


    Are you suggesting the town should kill a power role so that the Mafia can pick a new target during the night round and potentially kill another power role?

    If Tom is innocent there's probably a fair chance that Trees is mafia.


    I would like to hear your reasoning for this.

    At any rate, I want to express my gratitude toward those who chose to not give me the axe. I am most definitely releafed. Hopefully we can work together to root out those treesonous guilty ones.

    March 25, 2016
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    The Trees

    Might as well go with the rest of you then.

    March 25, 2016
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    Anthem

    Are you suggesting the town should kill a power role so that the Mafia can pick a new target during the night round and potentially kill another power role?

    No, I'm suggesting that you're quite possibly mafia and that you're going to be useless during the next round anyway since the mafia will off you if you aren't. Mixing my words doesn't help lower my suspicion.

    I would like to hear your reasoning for this.

    Because of the sudden massive vote changing. Some of them had to be mafia, quite possibly mafia who were going to sell you out to save themselves once votes were already on you.

    March 25, 2016
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    Subdivisions

    9 EDT ?= 9 MDT

    March 25, 2016
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    Snow Dog

    "I think I should di---AAKGJCKC," Tom Sawyer tried to say, before getting strangled by his own beard.

    He was a townie.

    So are you (probably)



    1. Working Man -- Townie
    2. Anthem
    3. By-Tor
    4. Snow Dog
    5. Fly By Night
    6. 2112
    7. Passage to Bangkok
    8. Farewell to Kings
    9. Xanadu -- Doctor saved him
    10. Cinderella Man
    11. Circumstances
    12. The Trees -- Claimed Security Guard
    13. La Villa Strangiato
    14. Spirit of Radio -- Claimed to be beaten up and got better
    15. Freewill
    16. Jacob's Ladder
    17. Tom Sawyer -- Townie
    18. YYZ -- Claimed Roommate, claimed to be beaten up
    19. Limelight
    20. Subdivisions

    Ratio: 13, 5

    Roles:
    Kingpin, Enforcer, Rebel, Mafiosox2
    Bumbling Cop, Security Guard, Doctor, Shaman, Roommatesx2, Towniesx7

    NIGHT 3 ENDS 11PM 3/25

    March 25, 2016
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    This thread is locked