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game 5 thread 1 night 1 lullabies for no murder

Posted May 2, 2012 by Yeano

Night 0.

Hello, Town! Let's see who is playing!


1. Shadowwalked
2. CtR Black
3. Teddy-Son
4. Redack
5. #85
6. Count Dooku
7. MajorasMask9
8. hezekiah
9. Helius
10. Eagle0
11. `Roxas`
12. Zanic
13. Xhin
14. poptart!
15. Knukles2000
16. Bubba
17. white lancer
18. DragonintheShadow
19. chiefsonny

And let's see the roles in play!

Godfather, Mafia Investigator, Silencer, Mafioso, Lunatic, Sensor, Cop, Doctor, Psychiatrist, Arsonist, Double-voter, Ghoul, Townie.

Mafia-Town Ratio: 6-13

New roles explained:

Mafia Investigator: Each night, he checks someone's room. At the end of the night round, that person's role will be revealed in the mafia thread.

Lunatic: Each night, the Lunatic will target someone. The host will then flip a coin using GTx0 and if it lands on Heads, you will protect that person by killing the first person who enters the room besides himself. If it lands on Tails, the Lunatic will kill the person in that room. The Lunatic suffers from Insanity. Though technically a third party role, he shows up as Mafia to both the Cop and in the ratio.

Sensor: After the end of each day round, the Sensor will find out how many anti-town roles voted for the winning option. i.e., if Yeano gets lynched, he will find out how many mafia members (and other people who appear Guilty to the Cop) voted for Yeano. If No Kill wins, no results will be posted.

Psychiatrist: Every night, the Psychiatrist can go to someone's room and check to see if they are sane or not. If they are sane, nothing happens! If they are insane, you cure their sanity!

Arsonist: Each night round, the Arsonist can torch someone's house. The host will then flip a coin on gtx0. If it is heads, that person will die in the fire. If it is tails, that person will escape their burning home to survive. A burnt house cannot be torched again.

Since it is Night 0, all can do night actions, but no one can kill tonight! (Including the Lunatic).

You have a little over 24 hours to get your night actions in.

WARNING: If your role changes to "Silenced," you may NOT post in this thread. If you do, you will be host-killed.

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Lunatic wins if still alive at the end of the game.

May 3, 2012
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Yeano

Day 1.

During the night, the Psychiatrist visited the Lunatic. He is now sane, and has become the Vigilante!

1. Shadowwalked
2. CtR Black
3. Teddy-Son
4. Redack
5. #85
6. Count Dooku
7. MajorasMask9
8. hezekiah
9. Helius
10. Eagle0
11. `Roxas`
12. Zanic
13. Xhin
14. poptart!
15. Knukles2000
16. Bubba
17. white lancer
18. DragonintheShadow
19. chiefsonny

Godfather, Mafia Investigator, Silencer, Mafioso, Lunatic Vigilante, Sensor, Cop, Doctor, Psychiatrist, Arsonist, Double-voter, Ghoul, Townie.

Mafia-Town Ratio: 5-14

You have 72 hours or until you get 12 votes for the same option.

WARNING: If your role changes to "Silenced," you may NOT post in this thread. If you do, you will be host-killed.

May 3, 2012
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Yeano

Well, that was an incredible bit of luck. I was freaking out over some of these new roles (including the Lunatic), so thanks Mr. Psychiatrist for helping us out with that one.

@Yeano--The Lunatic was the only "insane" role this game, right?

I'm not entirely sure how to deal with all these new roles. The Mafia Investigator makes me nervous because we might have only a limited time with the Cop/Doctor on our side. His presence and the presence of the Sensor almost makes me inclined to play this game a little more aggressively (since the Sensor gets no info on a No Kill). I'm not voting just yet as there's nothing to go on, but I'm open to doing something.

Also, the Arsonist and Vigilante should play VERY carefully this round. Them playing aggressively doesn't help the Sensor and if they both miskill in the same night, we're in a world of hurt.

May 3, 2012
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white lancer

Cmon let's roll the dice

May 3, 2012
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#85

I will ask this one more time Yeano, how does the Psychiatrist work? Can he just come into a special thread and say who the person is? Then he can spill the beans on a certain role? And does the same work for the lunatic to go into a thread and kill someone? And the sensor to say "hey I know who that person is!"

I really want to know how some of the new roles work before I go insane.

May 3, 2012
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Teddy-Son

I'm never in favor of the random vote strategy. We're more likely to hit a Townie or worse, one of our special roles, than a Mafia. Plus, it's not fun if we just check in here to make our roles.

I was going to suggest that the Psychiatrist reveal himself, but now that I think about it, that's a bad idea. We want the Vig to stay hidden, and I think all of us should play very coy about our roles this round--especially don't claim NOT to be the Cop, because we don't want to help the Mafia narrow things down any faster than they already will with the Investigator.

May 3, 2012
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white lancer

5-13 chance we're lynch a mafia if we randomly vote. so lets go for it!

May 3, 2012
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CtR Black

Well, that was an incredible bit of luck. I was freaking out over some of these new roles (including the Lunatic), so thanks Mr. Psychiatrist for helping us out with that one.

Jesus fuck I'm good.

May 3, 2012
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Shadowwalked

I'll random vote for now, but it dosn't make my decision final.. I'm still trying to wrap my head around all the possibilities of this game.

May 4, 2012
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Knukles2000

If everyone rolls :

No chance the mafia can play off of our accusations
No chance the mafia blend in with a no vote

Also, if your going to take a gamble, the early rounds is the time to do it.

May 4, 2012
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#85

I mean even for the people who are hesitant, no reason you can't roll for now to see how it plays out.

May 4, 2012
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#85

I was going to suggest that the Psychiatrist reveal himself, but now that I think about it, that's a bad idea.

Well, I have no problem revealing myself, but I will not reveal who the vigilante was, as that certainly would be a bad idea.

Thus, I put myself in a position where I'm guaranteed innocence. My role doesn't have any special powers anymore, so even if I'm targeted by the mafia, it will give time to someone town-sided who is a special role.

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Shadowwalked

Whats wrong with using the random vote instead of rolling though?

May 4, 2012
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Knukles2000

Yeah thats what I meant, random vote.

May 4, 2012
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#85

Thus, I put myself in a position where I'm guaranteed innocence. My role doesn't have any special powers anymore, so even if I'm targeted by the mafia, it will give time to someone town-sided who is a special role.

This would be a great cover for a mafia member.

Plus your role is pointless now anyway, except adding to the townie number. so if you are the psych, not much harm done.

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CtR Black

"Well, that was an incredible bit of luck"

That's putting it mildly.
Start of day one, they are down to 5 and we are up to 14. Don't get no better then that to begin a game.

Question

How do we have 9 No Kills when I only see that 4 people have voted?

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chiefsonny
 

Well, there is a 73% chance we'll hit a Townie if we do a random vote. That leaves us with a 17% chance of hitting a Mafia member.

I'm not sure I like those odds, but in the words of Han Solo: "Never tell me the odds!"

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Helius

It's probably going off of last game?

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Helius

This would be a great cover for a mafia member.

It would be indeed. But I'm not that stupid.

If, say, another person admits they are the Psych, we get to know that one out of the two is certainly a mafia.

If no one else claims Psych, we know that I am a townie.

If you kill me off anyway, you lose a townie who has shown himself useful in past games. On the plus side, I get to study more for my exams.

In the end, you'll be doing more damage to yourself than you would me. I've had my ego-trip, I've done what I needed to do for the town.

Besides, it certainly isn't the case that I could reveal who the vigilante is. {troll}

May 4, 2012
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Shadowwalked

I'm going to hold off voting for a little while so I can see what the new players have for input.

May 4, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I don't see why Shadowwalked would claim psychiatrist at this point... even if he is actually the Psychiatrist. It does seem like something a Mafia would do, but... idk.

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Knukles2000

I was going to suggest that the Psychiatrist reveal himself, but now that I think about it, that's a bad idea. We want the Vig to stay hidden, and I think all of us should play very coy about our roles this round--especially don't claim NOT to be the Cop, because we don't want to help the Mafia narrow things down any faster than they already will with the Investigator.

If you are the psych you made it that much easier for the mafia to narrow down the roles.

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CtR Black

I don't see why Shadowwalked would claim psychiatrist at this point... even if he is actually the Psychiatrist. It does seem like something a Mafia would do, but... idk.

Because I have already succeeded in my mission of ridding the town of the lunatic. Now I'm just a townie, and I plan on acting much of the same way that I did when I was the Doctor. Sure, I can't save myself, but I can guarantee my innocence. And if the pros outweigh the cons, I can reveal who the vigilante is so that the Doctor can protect the role every night, without the Doctor having to admit their identity. Thus, we have an indestructible town-allied killing machine.

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Shadowwalked

Unless... of course... the doc dies. It isn't foolproof.

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Helius

If you are the psych you made it that much easier for the mafia to narrow down the roles.

From thirteen townies to twelve? That's still some odds.

Furthermore, Ghoul willing, I could reveal the vigilante and we would have two town-sided killing machines. One known (And saved by the Doctor at night) and one unknown (And killing at the behest of the town). The way I see it, these are far better options than letting the Mafia guess who the psychiatrist was.

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Shadowwalked

, I can reveal who the vigilante is so that the Doctor can protect the role every night.

You wont reveal the vigilante. If you are mafia you would simply fake reveal a mafia member as a vig.

I would say in your defense the cop could support that you are the psy or that that person is the vig, but then the cop would have to reveal himself. doc cant help two people at once

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CtR Black

I'm already suspicious of CtR, because his actions make no sense to me right now.

Thus, I put myself in a position where I'm guaranteed innocence. My role doesn't have any special powers anymore, so even if I'm targeted by the mafia, it will give time to someone town-sided who is a special role.

That's true. When I said that, I meant that the Psychiatrist could potentially be another Cop decoy--someone they'd waste their kill/Mafia Investigator check on. But 1 Townie probably doesn't make a difference either way.

Shadow is almost certainly Town-sided this game. If he's not, the real Psychiatrist should speak up now...but it would be a dumb move for a Mafia member to claim the Psychiatrist this early in the game.

As for the random voting...we have 6 roles we want to protect right now. Odds are higher we hit one of them with the random voting than that we hit a Mafia.

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white lancer

Unless... of course... the doc dies. It isn't foolproof.

Never said it was, but of course, nothing is in this game. But if the Doctor dies, they weren't targeting the Vigilante to begin with, were they? And we still get a possible second vigilante.

As you can see, I haven't decided on the best possible route yet. I'll leave that up to you folks to decide what you want me to do.

May 4, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Furthermore, Ghoul willing, I could reveal the vigilante and we would have two town-sided killing machines.

That's definitely an interesting proposition. I'm skeptical about how helpful the Vigilante really is to the Town, though--they're definitely a double-edged sword in this game as they hurt the Town at least as much as they help.

May 4, 2012
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white lancer

You wont reveal the vigilante. If you are mafia you would simply fake reveal a mafia member as a vig.

This is dumb on so many levels that it causes my head spin to even think you would suggest I do something like that. Lets look at the possible scenarios:

Cop doesn't trust me, investigates, sees I'm innocent. Surprise, surprise.

Now, if I was a Mafia:

Cop doesn't trust me, investigates, sees I'm guilty. Two Mafia bite the dust.

Or:

Town kills me off, sees I'm Mafia. Targets fake vigilante, two Mafia bite the dust.

I'm already suspicious of CtR, because his actions make no sense to me right now.

His reasoning doesn't really make sense. Of course, that could just be bad reasoning skills.

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Shadowwalked

I'm already suspicious of CtR, because his actions make no sense to me right now.

C'mon bro, im just calling out Shadowwalked. Absolutely no reason to role reveal this early. And I'm not going to get into the loop about bad moves good moves for mafia. Obviously if he is a mafia, you believe him, therefore making it a good move.

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CtR Black

Cop doesn't trust me, investigates, sees I'm guilty. Two Mafia bite the dust.

Could be godfather {<OO}

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CtR Black

C'mon bro, im just calling out Shadowwalked. Absolutely no reason to role reveal this early.

Of course there is a reason. I did the same thing when I was the Doctor, and the town won. I know how to implement my power-plays, thank you.

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Shadowwalked

Could be godfather

Cop investigates supposed Vigilante, sees guilty, two Mafia bite the dust.

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Shadowwalked

This vote tally is screwed up. It's still from last game.

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Knukles2000

@Shadowwalked

Depends... you could be Godfather. No matter how the cop looks at you, you're going to be innocent. It would make sense to claim a useless role because the true Psych won't speak up....

I'm all for conspiracy theories, but the only way we know if you're telling the truth is to kill you off. I'm not about to risk a directed vote (where we pick someone off because of what they say).

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Helius

CtR, there's even less reason for the Mafia to fake claim Psychiatrist at this point. If the real Psych counterclaimed, we'd lynch one of them.

At best for the Mafia, we lynch the real Psychiatrist...and then figure out that the other one was Mafia, killing them the next round. At worst for the Mafia, we lynch the fake claimant. It's not worth it for the Mafia to lose one of their own so early just to kill one (unnecessary) Townie.

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white lancer

Depends... you could be Godfather. No matter how the cop looks at you, you're going to be innocent. It would make sense to claim a useless role because the true Psych won't speak up....

Is the Psych really useless? I know who the Vigilante is, and I'm town sided.

I'm all for conspiracy theories, but the only way we know if you're telling the truth is to kill you off.

Or if I reveal who the Vigilante is. That would be a pretty big hint at my innocence right there. {O:-)}

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Shadowwalked

At best for the Mafia, we lynch the real Psychiatrist...and then figure out that the other one was Mafia, killing them the next round. At worst for the Mafia, we lynch the fake claimant. It's not worth it for the Mafia to lose one of their own so early just to kill one (unnecessary) Townie.

Couldn't have explained it better myself, thankee white lancer.

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Shadowwalked

Of course there is a reason. I did the same thing when I was the Doctor, and the town won. I know how to implement my power-plays, thank you.

Don't get all fussy. I know you know how to implement your power plays. I saw yall win last round. That's why im trying to be cautious of your claim.

Unless... of course... the doc dies. It isn't foolproof.

Also the doc could not trust you. Or he could just ignore what's said and heal who he thinks should be healed, like the viges have done.


But All-in-all, I guess we will just see what happens in the next few rounds.

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CtR Black

Furthermore, how would it look if you killed me off and I am who I claim that I am? You'd be putting a target on your own head. If you are a townie, then that's bad news for the town.

And if you're targeted by the town and shown to be a Mafia...

Then Jesus fuck I'm good.

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Shadowwalked

Don't get all fussy. I know you know how to implement your power plays. I saw yall win last round. That's why im trying to be cautious of your claim.

I wouldn't say I'm fussy, just that I've had a good amount of coffee.

Also the doc could not trust you. Or he could just ignore what's said and heal who he thinks should be healed, like the viges have done.

That would make me sad. I can't be the only Doctor of GTX0 history who has actually saved a person {:(}

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Shadowwalked

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark...

Can't quite put my finger on it yet.

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Helius

That would make me sad. I can't be the only Doctor of GTX0 history who has actually saved a person

You aren't. Xhin saved LLight in the first round of the second game.

Anyway, false role claims don't really work well in a game where roles are revealed upon death because they can easily be proven wrong with a counterclaim, even if the Town lynches wrong. Heck, if a Mafia claimed Psychiatrist, the real Psych wouldn't have to reveal their role at all--if the Mafia ever randomly killed them during the night, we'd all know that Shadow was lying and lynch him the next day.

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white lancer

You aren't. Xhin saved LLight in the first round of the second game.

What? FFFFFFFFFFFffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuckkkkk

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark...

I heard there is a holiday in Cambodia this time of year.

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Shadowwalked

I'm beating Knuckles to the punch this game... oi vey.

Anyway, false role claims don't really work well in a game where roles are revealed upon death because they can easily be proven wrong with a counterclaim, even if the Town lynches wrong.

RIGHT! But everyone already assumes this. It makes sense that the Mafia would do something different this round. Most of the town doesn't want to do role claims because it helps the Mafia narrow down the list of victims.

Lancer, you're on my list already. I'd expect the Mafia to do something completely different considering last round. I feel like the Mafia who are active at this point our trying to divide us already.

Shadow and Ctr are on the list of mine as well. <.< I'm paranoid. >.>

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Helius

Not sure who to vote for, so I'll go random.

May 4, 2012
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Zanic

Oy. Why do I get the feeling the Town's going to wind up playing this game even more irrationally than last game?

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white lancer

Oy. Why do I get the feeling the Town's going to wind up playing this game even more irrationally than last game?

Rationality=aliens

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CtR Black

Oy. Why do I get the feeling the Town's going to wind up playing this game even more irrationally than last game?

Impossible. I'll work to set up everything in my power to give the town easier sailing from here on out, be it I get killed off by town or by Mafia at night.

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Shadowwalked

Can someone fill me in to what the talk has been about? Who we think who's who what's what?

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Teddy-Son

Just an fyi, i'm reading through all of this, but don't know what to say atm, plus i'm way way out of it. I'll prolly get back to you guys later.

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Knukles2000

My understanding is that playing irrationally led to a rather unfortunate end last game.

Playing it safe might work out better this time. See what happens the first night and make some conclusions.

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Count Dooku

"Can someone fill me in to what the talk has been about? Who we think who's who what's what?

Right now, we're fairly sure Yeano is the Host.

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chiefsonny
 

I have no idea what I'm doing, I'll just go with the flow on this one.

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Kyon

Right now, we're fairly sure Yeano is the Host.

Lmao. True. Thats all we know, Teddy.

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Knukles2000

Right now, we're fairly sure Yeano is the Host.

Okay so its just mostly arguing again then. Oh joy!

May 4, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Well, I don't think it will make much of a difference if we all vote for random people. Not like there's going to be a majority anyway.

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Zanic

Seriously, can someone fix the vote tally? It's confusing.

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Knukles2000

If, say, another person admits they are the Psych, we get to know that one out of the two is certainly a mafia.

Ooooor, that person is pulling a Xhin.{:P}

Didn't really see anything else worth commenting on, so...

May 4, 2012
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`Roxas`

If no other person claims psychiatrist soon, I'm going to vote for CtR black. That doesn't make sense to me..

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#85

If no other person claims psychiatrist soon, I'm going to vote for CtR black. That doesn't make sense to me..

Well in case this trend continues I'm going to make a universal defense.

Shadowwalked:
Thus, I put myself in a position where I'm guaranteed innocence

You Guys:
... hmmm.... CtR Black

...I'll add more later. most important thing is to emphasize shadowwalked statement.

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CtR Black

Shadow is a quack.

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Teddy-Son

...I'll add more later. most important thing is to emphasize shadowwalked statement.

I do believe my statement is justified, so I'll leave the town with my question:

Should I reveal the Vigilante, so that we can potentially have two Vigilantes? It is right to say that they are double edged swords, but it certainly gives the town a good deal of guided vengeance, and the power for the town to win usually falls into the hands of the Vigilante.

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Shadowwalked

Shadow is a quack.



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Shadowwalked

Suppose the Ghoul wants to join the mafia, Shadow. What do we do then?

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Knukles2000

Suppose the Ghoul wants to join the mafia, Shadow. What do we do then?

They still have to guess who the Mafia are. If they become a second Vigilante and actively work against the town:

1) They will lose if we lose.

2) They weren't planning on being very helpful to the town to begin with. Of course, it is something we have to take into account. That's why I'm leaving it to the town to decide if they want to know the Vigilante or not.

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Shadowwalked

The Ghoul may take a wild guess, and become mafia. We'd then have 6 mafia, and possibly 2 mafia with the same ability. Your plan relying on the Ghoul is obviously too risky as the Ghoul is third party atm, and he will do as he chooses.

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Knukles2000

The Ghoul may take a wild guess, and become mafia. We'd then have 6 mafia, and possibly 2 mafia with the same ability. Your plan relying on the Ghoul is obviously too risky as the Ghoul is third party atm, and he will do as he chooses.


Oh, my plan isn't to rely on the ghoul. I'm just stating that he could become a potentially powerful ally. But you all can decide on what route to take. I've done and said all I've needed to at this point.

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Shadowwalked

Well either way, I don't approve of this idea, and I still question if you are townie sided. But i'm not going to just jump like last game. Even though Llights plan was to look suspicious and get killed basically. My vote for you was random, yes. But you are the most suspicious to me atm, so I will keep it.

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Knukles2000

In fact, I think we should focus on killing the Ghoul before the possibility that he could become Mafia comes to reality.

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Knukles2000

My vote for you was random, yes. But you are the most suspicious to me atm, so I will keep it.

I took in the chance of suspicion when I admitted my role. It is the towns decision if they want the vigilante. Furthermore, we have the ability to make this even more interesting. We have a sensor who can tell us the percentage of Mafia-sided roles voting for someone. If there are townies who feel that lynching me is indeed the best option, then I suggest no more than five vote at a time. If all townies voted for me, then we know five townies (And a vigilante if so wished) right off the start. If there were Mafia voting for me, we can deduce who among those who voted are most likely Mafia. If more than five people vote for me, I'd suggest the townies among them to change their votes so that we can best utilize the sensors ability.

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Shadowwalked

In fact, I think we should focus on killing the Ghoul before the possibility that he could become Mafia comes to reality.

Ah, well your guess is as good as mine to who the ghoul is.

May 4, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Who cares about the Ghoul? Let Bill Murry and Dan Aykroyd deal with them. {:)}

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Teddy-Son

The sensor makes it all the more complex as well. Consider the godfather, And the possibility that the town suspects the wrong people as Mafia. Sure, we could deduce to who they are eventually, but if too many people jump on the bandwagon of one person, we could be deducing our way through townies, and to our end.

Thats why we have to do our best to find out. If the cop tells us also. Think, who sounds like they are looking to see who they can copy?

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Knukles2000

I know this has been said before, but more info on the new roles would be helpful.

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DragonintheShadow

Lol, press random again, I know you don't want to vote for yourself.

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Knukles2000

I know this has been said before, but more info on the new roles would be helpful.

I agree.

Ha!

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Teddy-Son

Shadowwalked claiming to be the psychiatrist and DragonintheShadow

DragonintheShadow Randomly Voted for DragonintheShadow

doing that. I don't know what to believe anymore!

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Count Dooku

Wow. What are the odds for that!

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DragonintheShadow

I'm going to jump on the not voting bandwagon for now. Too many possibilities atm.

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Knukles2000

then I suggest no more than five vote at a time.

I agree with this. With the Sensor active, we need to limit the number of votes that get thrown at anyone who we lynch, because his info isn't going to help us much if we get some massive supermajority against someone.

Although I still maintain that lynching Shadow would be a terrible idea this round. We've no real reason to believe that he's lying unless someone else claims Psych.

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white lancer

Hi, I'm not silenced.

Just so people don't forget, Not Voting isn't the same as No Kill.

May 4, 2012
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hezekiah

Just got off work. After sitting out the entire last game, I can finally play!

Let me read over this thread before I do any voting. You guys got to work fast.

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Bubba

Lancer, it's possible that the mafia silenced the Psychiatrist... Unlikely, but possible.

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hezekiah

n fact, I think we should focus on killing the Ghoul before the possibility that he could become Mafia comes to reality.

That would be hard to do. The mafia will be out to kill anyone they suspect has a special role. Let's let the mafia worry about the ghoul.

Or us townies could just start focusing on the mafia and make it so the Ghoul wants to join our ranks. If the Ghoul is smart he won't choose his role until the end.

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Bubba

Lancer, it's possible that the mafia silenced the Psychiatrist... Unlikely, but possible.

That's true, but there's still no real reason to assume Shadow isn't the Psych. If the real Psych was silenced, he'll be able to speak next round and call Shadow out, and we can choose between the two of them then. Right now, though, we have someone who is almost confirmed Townie, so I think we should run with that.

I'm still not sure what to do about the Ghoul thing. If the Ghoul targeted the Vigilante and joined with us, we'd have a better shot, which should be good incentive for him. But I'm not sure we can trust that he'll go with us.

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white lancer

Bubba, you forget the Mafia dosn't know everyones role either. The Ghoul may well join beforehand.

May 4, 2012
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Knukles2000

I was going to suggest that the Psychiatrist reveal himself, but now that I think about it, that's a bad idea. We want the Vig to stay hidden, and I think all of us should play very coy about our roles this round--especially don't claim NOT to be the Cop, because we don't want to help the Mafia narrow things down any faster than they already will with the Investigator.

That's true. When I said that, I meant that the Psychiatrist could potentially be another Cop decoy--someone they'd waste their kill/Mafia Investigator check on. But 1 Townie probably doesn't make a difference either way.

Shadow is almost certainly Town-sided this game. If he's not, the real Psychiatrist should speak up now...but it would be a dumb move for a Mafia member to claim the Psychiatrist this early in the game.

Although I still maintain that lynching Shadow would be a terrible idea this round. We've no real reason to believe that he's lying unless someone else claims Psych.

Im not going to look it up but I think that the same thing was said when Xhin claimed Vig.

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CtR Black

Just so people don't forget, Not Voting isn't the same as No Kill - hezekiah

Even though this is my first time playing, I've been following the other games and read the rules. So, yeah, after my last blunder I'm gonna be more careful with voting.

May 4, 2012
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DragonintheShadow

Haha. Idk why, but every time I think of your name Bubba, I think of Tubba Blubba off of Paper Mario.

May 4, 2012
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Zanic

Not that it matters, but...

May 4, 2012
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CtR Black

Hmmm I am thinking....

May 4, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Haha. Idk why, but every time I think of your name Bubba, I think of Tubba Blubba off of Paper Mario.

Just played Paper Mario for the first time earlier this year. The Tubba Blubba section was great.

May 4, 2012
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Bubba

Not that it matters, but...

Haha. Grudge maybe?

Just played Paper Mario for the first time earlier this year. The Tubba Blubba section was great.

Agreed.

May 4, 2012
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Zanic

Any particular reason why, CtR? Because if it's based off of your suspicion of Shadow, well, I think it's already been pretty well explained why suspecting Shadow is completely illogical at this point.

May 4, 2012
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white lancer

Just getting my vote in before I head to work. Will read everything later.

May 4, 2012
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Redack

Trying to figure out these new roles.

Can the doctor save a victim of a fire?

May 4, 2012
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Bubba

Going to go ahead and vote for No Kill. The vigilante better kill someone tonight.

May 4, 2012
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Bubba

Can the doctor save a victim of a fire?

Yes.

May 4, 2012
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Yeano

The votes from the last game still being in the "Vote tallies by round" is a bit annoying... Perhaps Xhin can resolve this for us?

May 4, 2012
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Redack

I'm not so sure it would be a good idea for the Vig or Arsonist to kill tonight, since they have just as much of a chance of hitting a special role than a Mafia member. I honestly think those roles are more likely to hurt us than help us until later in the game.

And I agree, Redack. Incidentally, I think Xhin is probably silenced this round, since he's been engaged in a debate in 9/11 but hasn't posted here. Not sure where Majora is, either. Is there anyone else who hasn't spoken this round?

I don't think I'm going to cast my vote for anything this round since I'm going to be gone tomorrow and won't be able to change it if something happens.

May 4, 2012
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white lancer

Sorry about that, guys. I forgot to add a tool that lets yeano clear the votes from last round. Fortunately, the "X Changed his vote to Y!" thing is stored separately, so I was able to recreate the votes from it.

In any case, I'm not silenced, I just checked the game last night and was like "98 replies to read in 3 hours? fuck that!".

May 4, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Since I currently have the most votes, I'll vote No Kill for now. But I think one round is the most we should avoid lynching someone, given the roles that we have out there right now.

Also, it's much more beneficial for us to carry out our kills via town vote than Vigilante/Arsonist kill this game because of the Sensor's presence. That's another reason I think the Vig/Arsonist should NOT kill anyone during the night unless and until we wind up in a close endgame.

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white lancer

Im not going to look it up but I think that the same thing was said when Xhin claimed Vig.

In my case, I claimed a power role so the mafia would target me instead of the real power role. This doesn't make sense with Shadow because the psychiatrist isn't a power role anymore. Yes, the psych can claim who the vigilante is, but that's literally all he can do and doing so might actually be a detriment to the town.

So yes, I'm pretty convinced of Shadowwalked's innocence. I'm also convinced of Ctr black's innocence because the sensor could find out if he was mafia or not very easily by the start of next round.

May 4, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Also, it's much more beneficial for us to carry out our kills via town vote than Vigilante/Arsonist kill this game because of the Sensor's presence. That's another reason I think the Vig/Arsonist should NOT kill anyone during the night unless and until we wind up in a close endgame.

Agreed. Knowing how the last few games turned out though, the sensor and all other town-sided power roles will be gone very quickly. :/

May 4, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Yeah, my bad about that... I'll try to do better this time out {O:-)}

May 4, 2012
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hezekiah

Agreed. Knowing how the last few games turned out though, the sensor and all other town-sided power roles will be gone very quickly. :/

This is definitely a risk, especially with the Mafia Investigator around. I think the Sensor should come out relatively early, especially if the Doctor is still around. Not yet, of course, but if we decide to vote someone out and they get some decent info it would be a good choice.

May 4, 2012
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white lancer

You just don't get a more blatant slip up then CtR black... And the town till wants to no kil

Off to a good start {:/}

May 5, 2012
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#85

Well, after thinking long and hard about this, I think a no kill at this time is in our best interest much as I hate to no kill. Not that I think the arsonist or Vig are necessarily reliable, but we may take out someone essential. Next round we should have more info, even if just speculation and suspicion, there will be more to go on.

May 5, 2012
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Knukles2000

I can't think of a reason to lynch any of you. You are all cool people. {<OO}

May 5, 2012
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Teddy-Son

As most of you know that have played all the games with me I have always been admittedly against the No Kill Vote and I still am.

However, this game started out with a twist that no one expected and for this first round at least has changed my opinion on the No Vote.
During the first night round, when no killing is allowed, we got what added up to a free kill and on top of that got a new townie. So they are going to take one of us out in the next night round, but they can't get their their guy back, so why give them 2? We're still ahead of the game. Them 5 Us back were we started with 13.

Now about the Cop, Doctor and the Ghoul.
Imo the Cop and the Doc should not reveal themselves until absolutely necessary. In case of the Cop not until he can id at least 2 guilty and then don't hint, come out and give names. Then the doc needs to make it his job to keep the cop alive as long as possible.
Ghoul, if cop or doc get killed take their place.

Sorry about the long rant, but I had a long car trip today (4 hours each way) by myself and I took the time to go over in my mind some of what I thought the Town did wrong last game when I was Mafia. Don't want that fate this game. Town was their own worst enemy last game.

Now this all hinges on them not getting killed early and just important, the players that are the Cop and the Doc. are active .

May change to No Kill if I can swallow my pride
{:P}

May 5, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

You just don't get a more blatant slip up then CtR black... And the town till wants to no kil



May 5, 2012
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CtR Black

My vote for White Lancer is because
He first wanted the psych to not reveal himself.
Then he back tracked after shadowwalked revealed himself *and* after I said it was suspicious. If he's mafia and shadowwalked isn't, it be-hue of him to defend him. A few mafia did that last game with Llight. It's the perfect crime.

And Yeah, I didn't think about the Sensor thing, maybe I should change my vote...

Also I dont think the sensor should reveal ish for quite a while.

May 5, 2012
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CtR Black

Sorry I've been busy lately, but I'll try to catch up on what's going on as quickly as I can. For now, though, I'm not voting.

May 5, 2012
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poptart!
 

In case of the Cop not until he can id at least 2 guilty and then don't hint, come out and give names.

That strategy has worked so well the last two games. No, I think the cop should reveal themselves after a couple of rounds regardless of any verdicts they get so we at least have SOMETHING to go on. Honestly though, I think the Sensor is more important than the cop, if we're agressive enough in our voting. We should use our luck in having more townies to our advantage and give the sensor a chance.

May 5, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Oops, forgot to change my vote.

May 5, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

It's hard to have anything resembling a consistent strategy, with the new roles being introduced on a gamely basis... It does seem logical that we'd now want to give the expanded ranks of power roles (cop, ghoul, vig, Arsonist(?)) more time to do their stuff. But doing so would take the Sensor out of the equation, and also give the Mafia more free hits.

It appears that Majora is the one who got silenced this time... seems like the mafia views him as a threat after what happened last game.

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hezekiah

"No, I think the cop should reveal themselves after a couple of rounds regardless of any verdicts they get so we at least have SOMETHING to go on."

That may work to. As long as the Doc or the Ghoul as the Doc are doing their job and keeping the Cop alive.

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chiefsonny
 

I agree with Xhin's look on the Cop: After a couple of rounds, reveal ANY information you have. Even if it is all innocent, that gives us a few people not to target in the future. It narrows down who could be Mafia, which only benefits the town. The sooner we find out who is Mafia, the better. Xhin, maybe if somebody didn't brainwash the Cop on the first night two games ago, we wouldn't have had this problem. {:P} And last game, we had LLight as Cop. What else should we have expected?

As far as this game goes, it does seem to be going a bit slower than usual.

We have about nine hours to come to a verdict.

May 5, 2012
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`Roxas`

But I think one round is the most we should avoid lynching someone, given the roles that we have out there right now.

For sure. Let's do a no kill this round and see how things shake out.

I'm in favor of the cop revealing himself early in the next round so we have time to verify the truthfulness. Of course, if we have two players claiming to be the cop, one of them has to be the mafia, unless they're just a jackass. There is no reason for anyone to lie about being the cop.

May 5, 2012
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Bubba

tbh, it's the lack luster performance of the Cop in the past games that bothers me. If the Cop can be kept alive and is checking someone every night and then reporting it when he thinks it's the right time, he can have a big impact on the game in favor of the town.
But imo his report has to be concise, not off the wall hints. Hell he's already exposed himself.

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chiefsonny
 

Which is why the cop needs to come out in the next round and firmly state his role. No more hints. If we have multiple people claiming to be cops, we kill one and hope we hit the mafia. Everyone in this thread needs to get behind this idea to insure only ONE townie claims to be the cop next round.

Cop reveals roles
Town starts lynching based off the Cop's rpeorts
Doctor keeps Cop alive
Vigilante/Arsonist does nothing for now

If this works out for a round or two we will persuade the Ghoul to join our ranks when either the cop or doctor dies.

May 5, 2012
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Bubba

"We have about nine hours to come to a verdict."


This day round started on Thursday, May 3, at 7:37pm so by my count for a 72 hour (3 day) round, we still have 32 hours left or 12 votes for one option.

May 5, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Sorry, forgot there was a night round before this. You're right, chief. Just about 31.5 hours now.

I'm on board for Bubba's idea.

May 5, 2012
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`Roxas`



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Redack

Should I reveal the Vigilante, so that we can potentially have two Vigilantes? It is right to say that they are double edged swords, but it certainly gives the town a good deal of guided vengeance, and the power for the town to win usually falls into the hands of the Vigilante.

I think all the roles should reveal at the same time. So that the mafia can only knock one out that night. And the doc can pick who they think is the most important

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CtR Black

Revealing any role but the cop at this point would be pretty stupid.

May 5, 2012
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Bubba

I agree with Bubba revealing your roles are stupid at this point. The way CtR said that made me think he is trying to get everything to give their role away cause he is the mafia.{<OO}

May 5, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Teddy! {<OO}

I dont think role reveal should be at least for another two rounds.

May 5, 2012
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CtR Black

I was going with what Bubba said.

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Teddy-Son

I not saying we should reveal roles now, im saying when they due i think it would be more effective to do it at the same time.

May 5, 2012
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CtR Black

Ehh, whatever.

May 5, 2012
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Zanic

{<OO}

May 6, 2012
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Kyon

Oh, you guys are no fun. No kill!

May 6, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

I think all the roles should reveal at the same time. So that the mafia can only knock one out that night. And the doc can pick who they think is the most important

Haha what

May 6, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Night 1.

The town did nothing. How boring!

1. Shadowwalked
2. CtR Black
3. Teddy-Son
4. Redack
5. #85
6. Count Dooku
7. MajorasMask9
8. hezekiah
9. Helius
10. Eagle0
11. `Roxas`
12. Zanic
13. Xhin
14. poptart!
15. Knukles2000
16. Bubba
17. white lancer
18. DragonintheShadow
19. chiefsonny

Godfather, Mafia Investigator, Silencer, Mafioso, Lunatic Vigilante, Sensor, Cop, Doctor, Psychiatrist, Arsonist, Double-voter, Ghoul, Townie.

Mafia-Town Ratio: 5-14

24 hours.

WARNING: If your role changes to "Silenced," you may NOT post in this thread. If you do, you will be host-killed.

Continued in [p:65183].

May 6, 2012
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Yeano

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