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game 7 graveyardprison

Posted June 25, 2012 by Yeano

You are either Dead or in Prison.

Cry here. {<00}

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My first game and they kill me on Night 1? What awful luck...

June 28, 2012
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Trever Leingod

I'm guessing #85 is the Godfather. He appeared innocent to the Cop (or a good actor of a cop) but he's acting smooth as undercover Mafia.

June 28, 2012
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Trever Leingod

I got mega screwed lol

I wanted to take out lancer but we ended up going for you because you talked the most.

June 29, 2012
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#85

I have a suspicion that lancer might be FBI Agent.

June 29, 2012
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#85

{:P} Oh come on, you killed me for talking too much? Usually people get killed for talking too little!

I don't think it's him. I have suspicions on someone else but I'll wait for more evidence.

June 29, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Wrong, 85. I was FBI. I'm sure that will come out with today's paper, though.

Damn, I arrested an innocent man and dissapeared. No wonder I was actually discharged from the FBI years ago.

Sorry for taking you out, Lancer. I was just doing what the town told me to. If was you or Teddy, and you were just unlucky.

June 29, 2012
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Wild Luxray

Damn, beginning to think I should have arrested Roxas when I had the chance in night 1.

June 29, 2012
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Wild Luxray

What? But everyone was telling you to arrest Teddy or Xhin! I thought I made it pretty clear I wasn't the Fool, at any rate.

I have a suspicion that lancer might be FBI Agent.

That's actually why I pushed so hard--I was hoping that the Mafia would think I was the FBI Agent and target me over the real FBI Agent or Doctor. And for my troubles and attempts to protect the real FBI Agent (as well as get them extra points), I get arrested. XD

Of course, I also believed my strategy was the best one because it was, err, Fool-proof. Too late for that now though.

June 29, 2012
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white lancer

Damn, beginning to think I should have arrested Roxas when I had the chance in night 1.

Pretty sure Roxas is the real cop, or the real one is unwise for not speaking up yet. And you were the FBI agent! I had suspicions on that.

Now it looks like the Fool can run loose as he likes.

June 29, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Yeah, I would be pretty surprised if Roxas was fake-claiming this entire time without the real Cop ever speaking up. Especially now that the Godfather is out of the way, because Roxas would be pretty much confirmed Fool if he weren't the Cop and came up as Innocent. The real Cop would be able to publicize this, the Town wouldn't have to be afraid of mislynching any more, and the Doctor would protect the real Cop.

As it is, the Fool is easily a bigger threat to the Town than the Mafia is. As long as the Doctor stays alive to protect Roxas, it's only a matter of time before the Cop narrows down the suspects enough to give the Town the win. That is, of course, assuming that Roxas is the Cop but isn't the Naïve Cop, which would make him pretty much useless (and maybe worse, since if he never gets a Guilty verdict the Town will wind up falling prey to misinformation). Truth be told, I came into this game thinking that more likely than not the Cop wasn't going to be reliable since Yeano just introduced the Naïve/Paranoid Cop roles.

June 29, 2012
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white lancer

I wish the FBI Agent had gone for Teddy over lancer, certainly seemed more suspicious to me.

I wish the same thing, hezekiah. :(

June 29, 2012
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white lancer

Oh quit whining. At least you can still earn a point if the town wins. I am walking out of this game with 0 points.

To be honest, the main reason I DIDN'T arrest Teddy is because I was offended that everybody seemed to think they could tell me what to do with my power, and I would listen like an obidient little dog. I wanted to remind them that although I might be willing to work with the town, I was NOT a townie. I have my own mind and goals.

I was more concerned about taking out the Journalist so I could arrest anybody with out fear.

June 29, 2012
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Wild Luxray

Sooo messed up how I got exposed by the journalist, I was in the clear for a while. {:?}

June 29, 2012
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#85

also good play WL

June 29, 2012
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#85

Now I'm glad I didn't arrest Teddy. He couldn't be anymore obvious about being the fool. It's hilarious that everybody wants me to arrest him tonight. Hard for a dead guy to restrain a prisoner. Now they are stuck with him for the entire game.

June 29, 2012
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Wild Luxray

Truth be told, I came into this game thinking that more likely than not the Cop wasn't going to be reliable since Yeano just introduced the Naïve/Paranoid Cop roles.

I'm not exactly sure how non-normal cop roles work. Does Yeano not even tell the public that they have a messed-up cop? At least the insane cop can be cured, it seems the other two are just stuck that way.

June 29, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Hard for a dead guy to restrain a prisoner. Now they are stuck with him for the entire game.

Well they have no way of knowing that, though I'm sure after tonight they will suspect either you were actually the FBI agent.

June 29, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Yep. Can't wait to see their expressions tomorrow when Teddy walks into the town meeting fully healthy.

June 29, 2012
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Wild Luxray

Looked over everything again and I'm still pretty sure Roxas is the real cop.

My initial suspicions of the Mafia were #85, Vandy and Shadowwalked. #85 was clearly accurate, and Roxas and my reasons were maybe iffy but correct. The other two I thought up mostly because I jokingly accused them in Day 1 and I ended dead the next day. Shadow is also unusually quiet (though I admit he was very quiet as Darth Vader as well). Vandy voted for Teddy even though he's very likely the fool.

My final guess is MM9. He was very hesitant to believe Roxas, more so than anyone else.

June 29, 2012
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Trever Leingod

To be honest, the main reason I DIDN'T arrest Teddy is because I was offended that everybody seemed to think they could tell me what to do with my power, and I would listen like an obidient little dog. I wanted to remind them that although I might be willing to work with the town, I was NOT a townie. I have my own mind and goals.

I was more concerned about taking out the Journalist so I could arrest anybody with out fear.

Yeah, but...I was the one trying to help get you points by allowing you to arrest a Mafia member instead of us lynching him, and this is how you repay me? :'( I was pretty obviously not the Journalist, as well--I'm still not sure how his role works and if I were the Journalist I wouldn't have had any problem with the Town lynching #85 off of my information.

I'm not exactly sure how non-normal cop roles work. Does Yeano not even tell the public that they have a messed-up cop? At least the insane cop can be cured, it seems the other two are just stuck that way.

The non-normal Cop roles are secret to everybody--even the Cop himself doesn't know if he's reliable. Otherwise they would have very little effect.

June 29, 2012
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white lancer

I figured you wouldn't know if you were the messed up cop, but rather there was maybe 50/50 chance you were. I was actually wondering if some point there would be two cops, a real one and a messed up one.

Honestly, giving the town just one cop who is all messed up seems it's just completely screwing the town over without a real chance of victory.

June 29, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Well, this is intriguing. Teddy the Fool is obviously in line with the Mafia. That's the only way he could know that the FBI Agent is out of play, and he is basically unkillable.

Either that, or a remarkably lucky guess...

June 29, 2012
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Wild Luxray

Teddy doesn't seem to be saying that the FBI agent is gone, but more like he's just saying things all across the map. He's probably bluffing desperately in hopes someone will kill him to shut him up.

June 30, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Looked it over again, he's actually implying he IS the FBI agent. He's being acting nutty the entire game, lying his pants off and all sorts of stuff. There doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to it.

Fool or not, they will realize that the FBI agent is either gone or slacking tomorrow, and they'll have to deal with Teddy's nuttiness the whole game - or just kill him.

June 30, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Also, since you arrested white lancer, a townie, you should be revealed to the Journalist. That means the Journalist has some useful info but it hasn't shown up yet. Either the Journalist chose not to write anything on you yet, or Yeano failed to notice it was posted.

Either way, I think the town is waiting on their daily paper. There's only 4 votes THIS far into the day.

June 30, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Well, this is intriguing. Teddy the Fool is obviously in line with the Mafia. That's the only way he could know that the FBI Agent is out of play, and he is basically unkillable.

Unless he's not actually the Fool at all and is Mafia instead. In which case revealing the information that the FBI Agent is dead is not a good play by him--if he's Mafia, he should have milked being the Fool as long as possible because no one would want to kill him.

June 30, 2012
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white lancer

He is claiming that one of us told him that I am the dead FBI. They don't believe him, and a few think I was the Journalist since no column came out today.

So which one blabbed, cause I know it wasn't me.

June 30, 2012
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Wild Luxray

I told him the FBI agent was gone. I got a bit too caught up in my thoughts on the game with him, seeing as how we've been IM pals for awhile now - I can usually trust him with his word not to say anything. Apparently he broke under pressure of the game, so clearly I can't theorize with him or any of the living at all via IM. It's too tempting for them to speak up.

June 30, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Yeah, so you and Yeano are gonna have to talk when this game is over. The rule about outside comunication is unclear enough, but the dead can't talk to the living. Your not a spirit, you know. Your lucky nobody believes him.

Probably best to avoid sharing your game thoughts with a live player at all.

Be warned, people WILL make a big deal out of this in the end.

June 30, 2012
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Wild Luxray

We already had our talk, actually. People have had dead-to-living conversations before, and as you said, it's not clear in the rules.

Yeano said not to share thoughts with a live player and I will go by that precept in the future.

I am sure they will talk about it later, but truth be told it's far less harmless than what the others did in the past. I told a person no one ever believes, and all I really told him was that the FBI agent was gone - and by tomorrow, people will know that anyway.

June 30, 2012
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Trever Leingod

I got a bit too caught up in my thoughts on the game with Teddy, seeing as how we've been IM pals for awhile now - I can usually trust him not to say anything. Apparently he broke under pressure of the game, so clearly I can't theorize with him or any of the living at all via IM. It's too tempting for them to speak up. The no-IM policy probably should be added to the rules or something.

And yes, Yeano gave me the lecture already {:P}

June 30, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Trever, I have moved your admittance from the mod forum to a thread that people cannot see. There are moderators who play who are still alive in the game.

I don't want them to have the idea of knowing that Teddy is definitely telling the truth by virtue of the fact that you've admitted it. Part of the game is also figuring out if a person is telling the truth or not. I don't want to compromise that aspect of the game by having you admit it where active players can see.

June 30, 2012
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Yeano

Well I figured my comment was rather ambiguous as to what was actually said to him, but fair enough. I just wanted to be honest with the others.

June 30, 2012
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Trever Leingod

You may also want to move Luxray's post from that thread to here as well, it also gives some impression Teddy was serious.

June 30, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Teddy has a habit of talking game, during game, among his buddies. Kind of not fair. He did it last game too with Roxas.

June 30, 2012
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#85

I'm not a fan of OOG communication at all--if it were somehow enforceable I would restrict all Mafia-related talk to the main thread. Obviously that's not the case, but dead-to-living conversation about the game is definitely not allowed. There's a reason we're not supposed to post in the main thread--anything we say, no matter how small, can affect the game, and since we're out of the game that's not allowed. Common sense, really.

June 30, 2012
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white lancer

True, a mistake on my part. But to me, Teddy has always been reliable with confidential info in the past, and the fact he so openly blurted it was shocking. One person knowing my suspicions and a dead role should be anything but game-breaking.

June 30, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Looks like it was pretty damn game breaking to me.

They all think Teddy was lying about dead-talk. When no one is arrested tonight, the town will asume Teddy is Mafia and lynch him.

Unless the true Mafia can somehow prevent the lynching, you handed Teddy the game.

June 30, 2012
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Wild Luxray

Then I guess the game restarts and I sit it out. Maybe twice. No one will want me in the game now.

June 30, 2012
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Trever Leingod

I wouldn't go that far. I have done much worse. I think there was more anger at Redack for what he did, then there will be for you.

Besides, you couldn't have known Teddy was the Fool.

June 30, 2012
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Wild Luxray

Still, I need to take responsibility. Usually my discretion is pretty good, but it was off this time - even though Teddy was always good at remaining confidential. That was the main thing for me, his confidential streak. If he was a known blabbermouth I wouldn't talk to him about confidential stuff.

I had suspicions he was/is the Fool, but regardless of that, even if I gave him a handful of confirmed roles he should have kept quiet because he has no way of proving anything. He's been rambling rubbish all game, and he should have kept it at that - just a guy rambling nonsense.

June 30, 2012
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Trever Leingod

I made a wager which no one noticed. Because I am 100% sure that I am not going to get arrested and that Feral is the dead agent thus I can not go to jail. The wager was that if I get arrested I do not come back to Gametalk for an entire week. But if I don't people have to be super nice to me for a week and help me out more often.


That's from Teddy. I'm probably going to sit next game out. Most people have enough integrity to keep it strictly in game, but there are a few who want to cheat, kind of messed up.

June 30, 2012
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#85

Geez, he's really acting messed up. It's kind of sad, he feels treated poorly so he wants to bet his way into being treated better.

June 30, 2012
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Trever Leingod

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