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game 7 thread 1 night 1 get your night actions in boys and possibly ladies

Posted June 26, 2012 by Yeano

Day 1

Welcome, Town, welcome!

Let's have a look at our roster, shall we?


1. Xhin
2. Count Dooku
3. hezekiah
4. Shadowwalked
5. Wild Luxray
6. Trever Leingod
7. White Thunder
8. Teddy-Son
9. MajorasMask9
10. CtR Black
11. Morrigan
12. `Roxas`
13. DragonintheShadows
14. Black Yoshi
15. chiefsonny
16. Vandy
17. white lancer
18. #85

That's a mighty fine town we got there. Hot dog!

Let's see our ratio.

Starting Mafia-Town-Other Ratio: 4-11-3

Our roles this game include: Doctor (1), Cop (1), Townie (9), Godfather (1), Janitor (1), Mafioso (2), FBI Agent (1), Journalist (1), Fool (1)

Let's see what the new roles are about.

Fool - This person's sole goal is to be killed. This person will not gain any points if he or she survives the game. Rather, he or she gains 3 points for being lynched. This person will gain 1 point if killed during the night.

Journalist - The Journalist is a role that loves scandal. Each night, the journalist can check someone's room. If a scandal happens there, the journalist will get some nice evidence. Each day round, the journalist will have the option of writing an article for that day's paper. In this article, the Journalist will be able to use evidence he has obtained or not. The Journalist gets 1 player point for every lynching he is deemed to influence.

FBI Agent - The FBI Agent was sent in by the federal government to take care of the Mafia infestation. The FBI Agent's job is to arrest members of the Mafia. Each night, they can choose to arrest someone. That person is thrown in prison for the rest of the game. If that person is a member of the Mafia, the FBI Agent gets 1 player points. If the person is not a member of the Mafia, then the Journalist will be informed of your identity.

SPECIAL NOTE ABOUT FOOL - The fool wins if he is killed. If the Fool is killed, the game ends since the Fool has officially "won the game." Unlike some other roles, the Fool cannot win with the Town or Mafia, and no one else can win with the Fool.

I hope you have fun.

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June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

72 hours/eleven votes.

June 26, 2012
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Yeano

we are jumping straight to day 1...Interestiing.

June 26, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Switches and levers...

June 26, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Okay, so I guess the game also ends if the Mafia wind up hitting the Fool. This is interesting because both we and the Mafia have to be very careful with our targets, since neither of us wants to hit the Fool. As such I'm going to urge caution in this game and go with the "No Kill" option.

June 26, 2012
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white lancer

I have a question. If the FBI Agent arrests the Fool, does the Fool lose since it's not technically a kill? And will we be informed of the identities of people that the FBI Agent arrests?

June 26, 2012
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white lancer

As such I'm going to urge caution in this game and go with the "No Kill" option.


that's no way to live, throw caution to the wind!

June 26, 2012
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Vandy

that's no way to live, throw caution to the wind!


Mmmmmm, I think I might like that philosophy >:^]

But I'm still no-killing for now :)

June 26, 2012
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MajorasMask9

As is custom for me with this role, I shall do my typical Day One reveal! Say hello to your Cop, gentlemen (and ladies?).

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

Avoiding the Fool definitely adds a dynamic to the game... you actually have to be even more careful than ever, so you don't accidentally screw your whole team over by killing a single player.

If someone makes it obvious they are a Mafioso, it's probably just the Fool baiting us. Watch out for that. Fortunately we can check said person via the Cop, since the Fool shows up "innocent."

June 26, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Nobody's buying your Fool act Roxas!!

June 26, 2012
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MajorasMask9

As is custom for me with this role, I shall do my typical Day One reveal! Say hello to your Cop, gentlemen (and ladies?).

Gah, Roxas! Isn't this like your third time as Cop? D: Doctor, guard this man carefully!

Also, pretty sure the only lady this round would be Morrigan.

June 26, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Nobody's buying your Fool act Roxas!!

Oh no, I've been caught! {cat}

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

Nobody's buying your Fool act Roxas!!

The Fool adds a major dynamic to the game... the Fool can claim to be a Cop or a Mafia member, or the real ones can claim the same, and people will be hesitant to kill either of them in fear of losing. Most especially the Godfather, since both the Fool and himself show up as "innocent" to the cop. Ugh, this could be a painful round.

June 26, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Isn't this like your third time as Cop?



June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

I have a question. If the FBI Agent arrests the Fool, does the Fool lose since it's not technically a kill?


Yes, the Fool would lose.

And will we be informed of the identities of people that the FBI Agent arrests?


Yes, you will be informed.

June 26, 2012
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Yeano

Which is why I intend on finding all guilty parties ASAP. That way we can narrow down who to kill (and in the Fool's case, not kill) later on in the game. Make sure you are comfortable this game; I feel like this can go on for a while.

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

Yes, the Fool would lose.

Guess we should hope the FBI agent gets rid of our Village Idiot...

Yes, you will be informed.

Muahaha, excellent.

June 26, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Which is why I intend on finding all guilty parties ASAP. That way we can narrow down who to kill (and in the Fool's case, not kill) later on in the game. Make sure you are comfortable this game; I feel like this can go on for a while.

The major problem is hoping the Mafia don't stumble onto the Fool, and then once we find out the "guilty" members, we have to take a shot in the dark for our dear Godfather. No "disrespect." {:P}

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Trever Leingod

Which is why I intend on finding all guilty parties ASAP. That way we can narrow down who to kill (and in the Fool's case, not kill) later on in the game. Make sure you are comfortable this game; I feel like this can go on for a while.


Why don't you leave that to the real cop {<00}

June 26, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Crap. Why'd we have to restart? I was mafia last game. Much more fun. Oh well, as always,

June 26, 2012
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White Thunder

Why don't you leave that to the real cop

Leave me to myself? Okay, have fun going blind the whole game then. {:P}

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

For some reason I can't help but believe he is the real Cop, just because it's too ironic. Even if he is the Fool, we want him protected in case the Mafia take a gamble and shoot for him.

June 26, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Also, the tally is messed up from the last reset where we were all voting for Wild Luxray...

June 26, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Way to go YEANO >:[

Where's my Pikmin 4? >:[

June 26, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Regardless if I'm the Cop or the Fool, only one of those the Mafia would be smart to go for at all. Although, saying I was the fool would have been all the more safe for me.

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

Regardless if I'm the Cop or the Fool, only one of those the Mafia would be smart to go for at all.

Wait, what...

June 26, 2012
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Trever Leingod

If I'm the Cop, the Mafia would be smart to go after me. If I'm the Fool, the Mafia would be dumb to go after me, unless they just enjoy seeing the town lose.

However, since I am the Cop, they would just waste their time trying to kill me. They'd also be stupid taking blind shots in the dark, since it increases the chance that they hit the fool. We need the Agent to go get the Fool apprehended.

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`Roxas`

I dunno I think you'd have a better chance at eventually getting arrested by the FBI agent with that plan instead of confusing the mafia.

June 26, 2012
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MajorasMask9

And if that happens, then so be it. Y'all will have to do without a cop and play blindly.

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

Man... I don't like the fool, for the same basic reason I didn't like conversion roles... makes a whole lot of the game just not matter.

June 26, 2012
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hezekiah

First day is No kill Day

June 26, 2012
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#85

If I'm the Cop, the Mafia would be smart to go after me. If I'm the Fool, the Mafia would be dumb to go after me, unless they just enjoy seeing the town lose.

Much better.

However, since I am the Cop, they would just waste their time trying to kill me. They'd also be stupid taking blind shots in the dark, since it increases the chance that they hit the fool. We need the Agent to go get the Fool apprehended.

Assuming the Doctor guards your behind...

Probabilities of hitting the Fool via lynch or Mafia kill is pretty low, but the mere chance is scary. I have a feeling some people are willing to take a risky shot or two, but now I can see why Yeano left out the Arsonist and Vigilante. With 4+ killings potentially happening in a single day+night round, the Fool would be hit much sooner than with our current role roster.

Man... I don't like the fool, for the same basic reason I didn't like conversion roles... makes a whole lot of the game just not matter.

The difference is, the converter was pretty trigger happy. With the Fool in play, it's basically the opposite. You have to shoot around the Fool. It's a different twist to the game for sure. I guess I prefer the older role versions better, but a new twist now and then is nice.

June 26, 2012
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Trever Leingod

So, take 3 then? Sorry about the confusion. I honestly had no idea what to do and tried to take the easiest(and most obvious) route.

June 26, 2012
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Wild Luxray

Roxas got Cop again? How the heck does this keep happening?

And yeah, we're going to have problems if we can narrow down the Mafia to just the Godfather and the Fool is still alive, since the Cop won't be able to tell them apart. Also, we've got a Janitor this round, so we probably won't know if the Doctor (or FBI Agent) is taken out, although obviously we'll know if the Mafia kill the Fool. Because of that I think Roxas' early reveal is a good thing, since he'll need to reveal any information he has quickly just in case the Doctor dies early.

June 26, 2012
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white lancer

And should that (the Doc's death) be in the first night, then I have one shot at this. I'm open for a group discussion as to who I should investigate in Night One.

So, anybody want to throw out suggestions?

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

Hey guys what happens when the fool is on the hill?

June 26, 2012
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Teddy-Son

2 more No Kill votes and this day round is over right?

Unless the 24 hour min rule that Trever put in is also going to apply for this game.

June 26, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Also...

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

Votes as stands:

6 for No Kill
1 for `Roxas`
1 for Not Voting

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

So the Tally thingies were not reset after the Restart, Restart.{:/}

June 26, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Unless the 24 hour min rule that Trever put in is also going to apply for this game.

I don't think Yeano followed my example, for whatever reason.

So, anybody want to throw out suggestions?

Check Xhin. Everyone is usually trigger happy towards him, and perhaps an "innocent" verdict will prevent the townies from mobbing after him as usual. {troll}

June 26, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Well there goes my horoscopes :(

June 26, 2012
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Shadowwalked

No one caught my Beatles reference? You damn kids all riding on the sidewalks with your skateboards.

June 26, 2012
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Teddy-Son

I really don't know if I trust that Roxas is the actual cop. He's always been quick to try and take every advantage he can with the new roles, so it's a definite possibility that he's using the "fool makes a false claim" strategy to try and sneak in the back door.

June 26, 2012
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hezekiah

Teddy, I just didn't see the need to respond to it.

June 26, 2012
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hezekiah

Batman would respond to it.

June 26, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Believe what you like, but I am the Cop.

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

Yeah something is fishy to me, roxas is a good player and just seems to have a hidden motive. But if there isn't a counter claim for the cop soon, I guess we can take his word for it

June 26, 2012
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#85

Or, you know, somebody could be trying to set me up to get my killed. Why is it that this part of the counterclaim strategy is always overlooked?

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

I didn't suggest a counter claim means the counterer is correct, but it will cause an issue that will need settling.

June 26, 2012
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#85

I'm not trying to say you were suggesting it. We just can't rely on a counterclaim strategy every time. We saw that with Game Six that it isn't an effective strategy.

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

Well I'd think a counter-claim is about the worst thing you could do. If that happens, we know someone's lying. Is it a mafia and the cop? Fool and cop? Fool and mafia? We'd pretty much have to pick one of 'em to lynch. And that puts us essentially right back where we are now.

June 26, 2012
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hezekiah

I find it hard to believe Roxas is really the cop for a few reasons. If he was, I doubt most of the town will want to trust his information because of the idea that he soft claimed Fool. I doubt the doctor would want to protect him. I'd think he wouldn't want to take the risk of doing this on Day 1 unless he was the Fool or Doctor. Then again, claiming cop while not the cop is always a risky move, so I dunno what to think this early on.

June 26, 2012
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MajorasMask9

I'd rather let this round go a bit longer and get more discussion in before I vote.

Now that the fool role has been clarifed, it adds another demension. No more leaps of faith.

June 26, 2012
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Wild Luxray

Which is why I don't agree with the counterclaim theory. Really the only way is if they both say the other is guilty and we choose to lynch one over the other, or the Mafia chooses to kill.

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`Roxas`

Also, I don't think the real cop would want to counterclaim this early in the game. They had no chance to reveal information, and Roxas hasn't led any lynch bandwagons, so it wouldn't be practical at all.

June 26, 2012
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MajorasMask9

I was stating a possibility of what the fool could do is all.

Right now, I'm looking at investigated Black Yoshi, DragonintheShadow or Morrigan.

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

If there were to be another person to claim cop, he or she wouldn't be able to give any inofmration either since we went straight into the Day.

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

If Roxas is lying and there's another Cop out there, it might be worth it to check Roxas to try to make sure that he's not the Fool--if he comes up 'Innocent' then we shouldn't lynch him (of course, there's always the chance that he's the Godfather...).

But claiming Cop early like this is a risky move for any Mafia member to take and I'm more inclined to trust Roxas than not.

June 26, 2012
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white lancer

Well Roxas, maybe you can explain why you claimed fool before cop?

June 26, 2012
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#85

I have a feeling Morrigan will be one of the quiet players.

I'm not ready to jump to conclusions about Roxas yet. I'd rather see what he has to say next day round.

Oh, and I figured out one role already: Redack is that shadowy looking dead drunk out-of-towner sitting by himself in the dark corner of the bar.

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Wild Luxray

Claim Cop: 1340678141

"Implied" that the possibility of the Mafia taking a risk that I may be the Cop or Fool: 1340680056

I said I was the Cop before even implying to the Mafia that I could be the Fool trying to win upfront.

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

I just checked, and Roxas NEVER claimed fool. He claimed cop in his very first reply.

June 26, 2012
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Wild Luxray

Well, technically second reply. {:P} First one was trying to make a subtle hint at either Cop or Agent.

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

I have a feeling Morrigan will be one of the quiet players.

She's currently remaining quiet because of internet issues but it will be fixed later today.

Oh, and I figured out one role already: Redack is that shadowy looking dead drunk out-of-towner sitting by himself in the dark corner of the bar.

ROTFL!

Anyway...

The best way to figure out if Roxas is the real deal is to wait until he claims a "guilty" verdict, then lynch said person. If the person is one of the Mafia, he's very likely legit - otherwise, he's a fake.

June 26, 2012
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Trever Leingod

time now to bust out the ol' counter-countered-counterclaim... counter

June 26, 2012
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Vandy

He's trying to confuse us with his gibberish... MAFIOSO!

JK {troll}

June 26, 2012
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Trever Leingod

I ate a gibberish once. With BBQ sauce its was pretty good.

June 26, 2012
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Teddy-Son

I'll post tomorrow once I catch up on what's going on.

Cop again Roxas? This game isn't much for variety.

June 26, 2012
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Count Dooku

I highly doubt Roxas is the cop. My guess is he's trying to get people to trust him early in the game.

June 26, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Also I'm kidding. Voting for myself for now, since I never trusted that guy.

June 26, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

You know I pity the fool.

June 26, 2012
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Teddy-Son

I ate a gibberish once. With BBQ sauce its was pretty good.


am starting to think that Teddy might be the fool.

{:3}

June 26, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

I just checked, and Roxas NEVER claimed fool. He claimed cop in his very first reply.


Roxas's first reply--the one where he claimed cop--can be taken as him soft claiming Fool. The intent is obvious, otherwise he'd have no reason to reveal his role without having any information.

June 26, 2012
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MajorasMask9

I claim my role so that I have a shot for the Doctor to protect me so we can win. Again, if you guys really don't trust me, I can keep my findings to myself.

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`Roxas`

Damn reset...I was looking forward to being the Cop, but now...

Anyhoo, some interesting stuff this round -- we've got Roxas claiming Cop (and unless anyone else claims/counterclaims, I'm apt to believe him), and we've got a few people acting like...well, acting like Fools, to be honest. A good move, come to think of it -- distract the Mafia such that they don't kill the real Fool and lose us all the game. Or they may be Mafia trying to throw us off their trail such that we mislynch and lose the game.

That said, while I do have some suspicions, I'll have to wait and see what happens as the game progresses.

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Black Yoshi

I claim my role so that I have a shot for the Doctor to protect me so we can win. Again, if you guys really don't trust me, I can keep my findings to myself.


You wouldn't have had a target on your back Night 1 to start with. You already revealed, so keeping your information to yourself would be pointless, even if it is false information. It's just that the town won't know if it's legitimate.

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MajorasMask9

So you don't think that the Mafia would go after the opposing side's "power players?"

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`Roxas`

For their first night kill, they'd go after whoever they thought was a power role, yes. However, if you are the cop, you certainly narrowed it down for them by claiming on Day 1 with no information to share.

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MajorasMask9

Also I'm kidding. Voting for myself for now, since I never trusted that guy.

AM I THE ONLY ONE TRYING TO SAVE YOUR HIDE!? {troll}

For their first night kill, they'd go after whoever they thought was a power role, yes. However, if you are the cop, you certainly narrowed it down for them by claiming on Day 1 with no information to share.

I said this once, and I'll say it again...

It doesn't matter if he's the Cop or the Fool, he needs to be protected by the Doctor. If he's the former, we NEED him to have any decent chance of winning. If he's the latter and the Mafia take a gamble on the fact that he's a Cop, he still needs to be protected so we didn't have to do the "starting game shuffle" again.

Seriously, if he's either and the doctor doesn't protect him from death.... I'm coming for you, doc... {troll}

June 26, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Upon looking over the thread, #85 is probably who I am going to check tonight. If there is another player that the town would overwhelmingly want me to investigate, I will be more than happy to change my mind about it.

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

Check him! He's the droid spy!

June 26, 2012
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Trever Leingod

So apparently, Trever is the super secret Grim Reaper role who can kill anybody straight up!{troll}

June 26, 2012
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Wild Luxray

yeah anyone that comes out and says "this person looks fishy" as 85 did is probably up to no good. I say check him

June 26, 2012
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Vandy

Upon looking over the thread, #85 is probably who I am going to check tonight. If there is another player that the town would overwhelmingly want me to investigate, I will be more than happy to change my mind about it.

Last game: 85 says Mafia often hides behind no kill on first day. This game 85 votes for no kill. An investigation of him is certainly warranted.

June 26, 2012
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White Thunder

I am also going off of the fact that it seems most times that he is a town-sided role, he has no problem with taking a shot in the dark to hit a mafia member. However, when he is a member of the mafia, he'd rather play it safe on Day One so that he or a member of the mafia are not hit.

Anybody else we think I should investigate?

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`Roxas`

Why are you asking us who to investigate???

June 26, 2012
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MajorasMask9

I just feel like with a jump in to Day One, input from each player seems something that is just.

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

WT and Roxas, every game I try to lobby people for a day one vote, it doesn't even come close to working out.

June 26, 2012
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#85

WT and Roxas, every game I try to lobby people for a day one vote, it doesn't even come close to working out.

Then why don't you try something else this round? If you know its not gonna work why try?

June 26, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Having had 2 bloody resets was cause to skip Night 0.

@#85:
Smooth talking.... GUILTY! {troll} JK.

June 26, 2012
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Trever Leingod

I don't think we are going to get much more done in this round.

June 26, 2012
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Wild Luxray

-Teddy throws a Pokeball at the Wild Luxray-

June 26, 2012
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Teddy-Son

lol Trevor.

Then why don't you try something else this round? If you know its not gonna work why try?

I did try something else. I accepted that today will be a no kill.

June 26, 2012
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#85

AM I THE ONLY ONE TRYING TO SAVE YOUR HIDE!?

Trevor is trying to save Xhin. Obviously he's in the Mafia along with three admins.

June 26, 2012
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white lancer

It's just normally you at least try to get somebody lynched.

And to throw this to darkness, I shall cast the last vote needed.

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

Trevor is trying to save Xhin. Obviously he's in the Mafia along with three admins.

Who is this Trevor you speak of? {:P}

June 26, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Trever is my crazy brother.

June 26, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Never mind, only ten votes have been cast for No Kill.

10 No Kill
1 `Roxas`
1 Xhin

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

Anyone here smell a rat? Cause I smell I bunch of them.{troll}

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Teddy-Son

Obviously he's in the Mafia along with three admins.

This admin is one of the gang of 9. Started out as a nobody and after 2 restarts I'm still a nobody.
I only mention this for one reason and here it is.

@Cop, whoever you are don't waste your time investigating me. Spend it trying to find the Fool or the Mafia.
Now if you think this is a ploy to protect myself, well you will have decided that, but don't say I didn't tell you so later.

This is going to be 1. A very short game if the Fool is not discovered b4 he's lynched or 2. A very long game since none of the killers roles are part of the game. And if that's the case the Dead thread may be more fun{:D}

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chiefsonny
 

It will be the town and Mafia trading blows. The issue with finding the fool is that they are blended in with the town in the ratio. As soon as I collect three guilty verdicts, there is no sense in investigating.

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`Roxas`

So all three 3rd party roles show up as innocent to the cop?

June 26, 2012
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Wild Luxray

So all three 3rd party roles show up as innocent to the cop?

Looks that way.

June 26, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

First party is great, loads of fun, lots of stuff to do. Second party is good, there is a lot of people here but not much to do. But what there is to do it is really fun. But third parties are like surprises, you never know what you're gonna get.

June 26, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Who is this Trevor you speak of?

Looks like a deflection to me. Trever's trying to throw me off the trail.

June 26, 2012
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white lancer

There is clearly no one named Trevor on the roster. Therefore you are either Mafia or Fool trying to trick us. {troll}

For some reason when chiefsonny declares his allegiance like that, it's legit. Too bold to be trying to cover. Same thing he did last game.

June 26, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Unless he's the Godfather. Only one I am 100% certain about is myself. For all I know, you could ALL be Mafia or a Village of Fools. {:P}

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

This would be a perfect Mafia game for April 1st

June 26, 2012
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Teddy-Son

Oh trust me that game wouldn't be fun at all :(

June 26, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Will someone else vote no-kill so we can end this round already...

June 26, 2012
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Trever Leingod

What Trever (with an E!) said.

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

I knew there was a reason I liked you {;)}

June 26, 2012
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Trever Leingod

It took me a game, but I got it!

June 26, 2012
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`Roxas`

Better late than never!

June 26, 2012
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Trever Leingod

*nevor

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hezekiah



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Vandy

Night 1


The town decided not to kill anyone. Surprise, surprise.


1. Xhin
2. Count Dooku
3. hezekiah
4. Shadowwalked
5. Wild Luxray
6. Trever Leingod
7. White Thunder
8. Teddy-Son
9. MajorasMask9
10. CtR Black
11. Morrigan
12. `Roxas`
13. DragonintheShadows
14. Black Yoshi
15. chiefsonny
16. Vandy
17. white lancer
18. #85

Starting Mafia-Town-Other Ratio: 4-11-3

Our roles this game include: Doctor (1), Cop (1), Townie (9), Godfather (1), Janitor (1), Mafioso (2), FBI Agent (1), Journalist (1), Fool (1)

24 hours for night actions.

June 26, 2012
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Yeano

Continued in [p:67458].

June 28, 2012
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Yeano

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