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game 7 thread 4 day 4 oh my

Posted July 1, 2012 by Yeano

Continued from [p:67520].

THE END


In the morning, Teddy-Son's body was missing. But everyone had a horrible feeling in their stomachs. Just then, they ALL LOST. Even though they didn't officially know his role, they all knew he was the Fool.


1. Xhin - Townie
2. Count Dooku - Townie
3. hezekiah - Mafioso
4. Shadowwalked - Janitor
5. Wild Luxray - ??? (FBI Agent)
6. Trever Leingod - ??? (Townie)
7. White Thunder - Townie
8. Teddy-Son - ??? (Fool)
9. MajorasMask9 - Doctor
10. CtR Black - Townie
11. Morrigan - Journalist
12. `Roxas` - Cop
13. DragonintheShadows - Townie
14. Black Yoshi - Townie
15. chiefsonny - Townie
16. Vandy - Mafioso
17. white lancer - Townie
18. #85 - Godfather

Starting Mafia-Town-Other Ratio: 4-11-3

Our roles this game include: Doctor (1), Cop (1), Townie (9), Godfather (1), Janitor (1), Mafioso (2), FBI Agent (1), Journalist (1), Fool (1)

You have 24 hours for night actions.

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July 1, 2012
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Yeano

FINALLY, I CAN SAY IT! TEDDY CHEATED!

Trever was the leak in the dead forum.

July 1, 2012
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Wild Luxray

Oh, and Teddy blindly picking out all three Mafia members during his FBI bluff was the damndest thing I have ever seen. The was nothing more then a massive cooinsidence.

July 1, 2012
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Wild Luxray

Jesus H Christ, Yeano what are you smoking?

Voodoo Lady and now The Fool who can win a game by just having the town know who he is. Thought he had to die.

Who killed him?

July 1, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Mafia killed him.

July 1, 2012
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Wild Luxray

The mafia killed the Fool to end the game.

However, I will say that in the future, the Fool shouldn't be able to win by night kills. It doesn't work that way on other places I've been, the idea was to get the majority of the town to believe you were guilty and lynch you.

Other games have some extra abilities that give the Fool a better chance at being lynched, such as the ability to visit another player's room (but do nothing). That way if we had a role like the journalist in play again, they'd see the Fool visit someone else which could raise some red flags, etc.

July 1, 2012
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MajorasMask9

TEDDY CHEATED!

Then he should be banned for at least the next 2 games.

Trever was the leak in the dead forum.

That should be considered cheating also. And why would you cheat the first time you play a game. Especially after Yeano was gracious enough to let him host a Star Wars ver.of the game.

July 1, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

The fool was done wrong anyway. My understanding of that role (and Dooku would know better than me so maybe he'll confirm it?) is that he either wins from being lynched or he wins from being killed, but never both in the same game. The idea being to a wild card for one side, or the other, not an un-killable god-role.

July 1, 2012
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Redack

Mafia killed him.

Don't understand that move. Should have just let the damn fool run around talking goofy while we finished the game and get the points instead of just quitting.

July 1, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I would like to say Good Game to everyone.

But I can't.

This was worst then the first SW Mafia.

July 1, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeh. {:s} Oh well.

July 1, 2012
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`Roxas`

Yeano should inform everyone what his investigations turned up. How much did Teddy actually know and what was random chance guessing?

Having just read the Mafia thread they were pretty annoyed at how he seemed to know who they were and it's seems really, REALLY, unlikely he figured all three of them out the day after 85 died or that a random guess could hit all three of them. Some odds are just so close to being impossible that they're not worth considering.

July 1, 2012
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Redack

Check the jailhouse/dead thread. It pretty much begins and ends the actions in question.

July 1, 2012
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`Roxas`

Holy smoke, that was unexpected... O_o

Yeano should inform everyone what his investigations turned up. How much did Teddy actually know and what was random chance guessing?

Oh, and Teddy blindly picking out all three Mafia members during his FBI bluff was the damndest thing I have ever seen. The was nothing more then a massive cooinsidence.

The leak was never intended to be a leak. When I talk to Teddy about the game, it's supposed to be confidential discussion on game theories, not something he can post all over the mean thread. In any case, the only official "leak" was the fact we were discussing how the game would change with the FBI agent now gone. A major mistake on my part, but I didn't intend it to blow up the way it did. Yeano and I had a good talk about this, so I'll be laying off any talk of the game via IM, especially once I am dead.

Anything else was theories. I had suspicions about Vandy and Shadowwalked because I jokingly pointed them out on Day 1 and died that night, and my final suspicion was MajorasMask9 because how hard he fought the fact Roxas was the cop. How Teddy luckily pulled hezekiah out of a hat for the last Mafia is beyond me, because he wasn't anywhere near the top of my suspect list.

July 1, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Majora: note that we (or at least I) would've wanted to hit Roxas if not for the Teddy situation... you got us N1, but we'd've out-thought you N3.

July 1, 2012
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hezekiah

Ah, so that's why it was #85 revealed to the Journalist... in the [p:67307|host thread] Yeano randomized it via the ~(draw)~ command. Would've appreciated him explaining to us remaining mafia members how that happened.

There was also a post made in the main thread by Trever, Friday at 2:01 PM, that should definitely not have been made: "Stop picking on Roxas! He's the real cop!" He tagged it, calling it a test. What I wanna know is, why the hell would he make his so-called test with game-sensitive information?

July 1, 2012
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hezekiah

lol, good question.

July 1, 2012
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Wild Luxray

Also, I don't remember if I mentioned this after a previous game or in an IM with Yeano, but if Xhin could somehow implement a private messaging system on gtx0 (even if it was just for the mafia game), I don't think there'd be as much trouble with out of game conversations. I imagine it would be a good amount of work, but it's something to consider.

One of my biggest problems with gtx0 mafia is that I have no idea who keeps in contact with who. Trever could talk to Teddy off of gtx0, but he may not talk to Roxas. Roxas may talk to Xhin off of gtx0, but maybe not chiefsonny, etc. Especially when some people are blatantly more open with their role information for some people than other people (IIRC there have been games where major power roles revealed themselves to people they were close to). I think that by having some method for everyone to keep in contact with each other, it would even the playing field a lot.

I honestly don't have trouble with out of game conversations as long as people are careful with what they reveal. As in, the cop shouldn't just tell someone that they're the cop just because they're friends with them, the people who are dead shouldn't talk about the game with people that are alive, and so on. I honestly think it adds a lot to the strategic end of the game to have private messaging. It's obvious that people are taking advantage of it already (not even in a negative way), but it's hard to get a good read on the main game when you're unsure of who can talk to who online, if that makes sense.

July 1, 2012
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MajorasMask9

the jig is up!

~runs away~

July 1, 2012
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Vandy

I've admit after games before that I have talked to some players out of the game about strategy. I've withdrawn from that considerably over the last three or four games (including SW).

July 1, 2012
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`Roxas`

Also, I don't remember if I mentioned this after a previous game or in an IM with Yeano, but if Xhin could somehow implement a private messaging system on gtx0 (even if it was just for the mafia game), I don't think there'd be as much trouble with out of game conversations. I imagine it would be a good amount of work, but it's something to consider.

I also suggested this on behalf of Dooku after the second Star Wars game. A PM system within mafia that can be viewed by the host. It would also serve a second benefit of allowing the host to give players specific info (example: "You were silenced!").

July 1, 2012
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Redack

I hope this doesn't sour everyone on the fool role. Obviously it should have a break next game, but I would like to see it back in future games.

The real problem with the role was that it could win by night actions. Should have only been win by lynch.

Hey, I was right about Shadowwalked! :D

July 1, 2012
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Count Dooku

We haven't been able to get through a game without something going wrong in like, 4 games. This is a problem.

July 1, 2012
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White Thunder

Should have only been win by lynch.

Agree. That would have made the game challenging.

July 1, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

We haven't been able to get through a game without something going wrong in like, 4 games. This is a problem.

Are we counting the restarts for this game?

  • Fool wins by being killed (general consensus is that the role should win either by night kill OR lynch); communication between dead and living player
  • Empire SW: Redack betrays Rebels, easy Empire Win
    (Not sure if the below are counted)
  • Republic SW: I betray Republic, almost perfect game by Sith

    • July 1, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    Ohh yeah I cheated and Trever and I get into trouble. Really? Hezekiah and Shadowalked have been talking in and outside of the dead since the begging.

    July 1, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    did they tell everyone who was in the mafia?

    July 1, 2012
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    Vandy

    I am pretty sure they used their info to cheat other ways.

    The Mafia won once, it was because of them. Yeah it was bad what I did. But I am not here to win I am here to have fun and then people call me an idiot and gang up on my they keep telling me that I am lying.

    I'd rather have lost and had a good time with my role then win and have a bad time with it. But no matter what I say or do everyone is gonna call an idiot, everyone is gonna be mad at me, everyone is gonna be mean so I fall under the pressure.

    But Hezekiah and Shadow help the mafia to win a few game back they get away with it even after one of them is dead and give the other info to the one who is alive. Llight sneaks in and gets to see peoples roles he gets away with it. But hey I guess if you are a mod or an admin you are higher up then most people so.

    July 1, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    Hezekiah and Shadowalked have been talking in and outside of the dead since the begging.

    Neither of them have communicated any kind of info or generally theory/strategies whilst dead that I am aware of.

    The only time I had issue with Hezekiah was when he and Feral became hosts and even then he didn't reveal anything.

    July 1, 2012
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    Redack

    they keep telling me that I am lying.

    BECAUSE YOU WERE

    July 1, 2012
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    Redack

    Redack I've been in the dead threads I remember them saying something about talking to each other giving each info. I can go back and dig through just to check.

    Obviously I wasn't lying because the Agent was dead.

    July 1, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    but you're not supposed to know that

    mafia were the only ones that were supposed to know that

    and you definitely weren't supposed to know who was mafia. How could you possibly think that was within the rules?

    July 1, 2012
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    Vandy

    Let's all gang up on Teddy, even though Trever was the one who did everything wrong.

    July 1, 2012
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    The Bandit

    LLight 00001: Damnit hezekiah, you're feeding Shadowwalked, but at least that gives him a chance. I can't believe he couldn't get the hint. XD lmao, even though the information is false they could easily spin it.


    Friday, Apr 27, 2012 -- 11:51pm
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    Teddy-Son: Llight or Hez, please explain how you found out!

    Saturday, Apr 28, 2012 -- 12:25am
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    hezekiah the badger: Shadow told me. Pretty sure he's done lying to me now :-P

    Naturally, don't be an ass who uses this info to meddle in the game.

    Saturday, Apr 28, 2012 -- 12:30am
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    Aside from Hezekiah telling me Shadowalked was giving him info from the dead or the other way around and Llight sneaking into peoples thread that one game that's all the cheating they were doing.

    Unless I read this wrong and they were not cheating at least that's what it looks like to me.

    July 1, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    Actually, hezy tried to get me to tell him on AIM what was going on in the dead thread after Teddy revealed his knowledge of my role. I politely refused, we talked a bit more, and went our separate ways.

    I have made my share of mistakes- throwing tantrums when I misunderstand people, flipping out on Redack when the Mafia of one game converted Roxas(my "partner" at the time) over me, and killed me, prematurely ending a game I wasn't even host of, making several people hosts without permission. I am a walking mistake.

    But the confusion surrounding the Fool role was 100% an honest misunderstanding by Yeano. I suggest the Fool role be suspended until Yeano has time to research it fully.

    Lastly, I know there is no way to prevent communication through IM or E-Mail, but we all know right from wrong, and we all know what kind of info will ruin the game. Do NOT reveal your role to ANYBODY outside the game threads, eben if you are Zanic and White Lancer is your rl brother. People who are knocked out of the game shouldn't be discussing the game with live players at all. That is why Yeano created a dead thread to begin with. The dead can talk to the dead.

    July 1, 2012
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    Wild Luxray

    Okay I made a mistake is there anyway for people to like me again?

    July 1, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    Ah yes, that game. That's the time when LLight edited a previous post, then directed certain players to it after he died.

    There's no real issue with alive players sharing information, be it with other alive players or ones who have died (in this case, Shadowalive told medead some info, because I asked him about it). The problem comes when dead people (who have access to the dead thread, which typically has new info about the game) start sharing info with people who aren't yet dead.

    July 1, 2012
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    hezekiah

    The (mafia-related) conversation I had with Feral yesterday:
    hezekiah (2:52:36 PM): so, how much game info have you put in the dead thread?
    Josh Aker (3:06:38 PM): You know better then to ask that. I can tell you whats been going on in the dead thread.
    hezekiah (3:06:51 PM): I'm not asking what the information was
    hezekiah (3:06:55 PM): just how much of it's in there
    hezekiah (3:07:04 PM): because Teddy knows far more than he has any reason to
    Josh Aker (3:09:00 PM): What you would expect. I know what's going on with Teddy, but I can't tell you what, if anything, happened. I know the town and Mafia are both in a very precarious position, with Teddy's claim that one of us dead people spilled the beans, But Yeano has asked us now to confirm or deny anything. Sorry.
    hezekiah (3:09:11 PM): *not, not now?
    Josh Aker (3:09:11 PM): *Not
    Josh Aker (3:09:31 PM): Not to. Typo
    hezekiah (3:10:08 PM): do you know who the 3 remaining mafiosos are?
    Josh Aker (3:10:56 PM): How could I? I have my suspicions, but I am keeping them to myself.
    hezekiah (3:11:22 PM): okay, that's fine. I'll drop the subject.

    All I wanted to know was how much information Teddy could've gotten out of there, an answer along the lines of "only what the dead players' roles are", "there's some chatter about who the mafia's gonna kill next", or "Yeano posted the full list of roles in there". I was NOT asking for something like "well we know Roxas is telling the truth about being the cop, and Wild Luxray was the FBI agent".

    The later part of that was me attempting to see if I could safely continue to talk to him about a subset of the game; had he admitted to knowing that I was mafia, I'd have filled him in on our plan. But he didn't, so we moved (briefly) on to other subjects.

    July 1, 2012
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    hezekiah

    And by the way, [p:62882|this] is the post Teddy pulled those quotes out of a few replies up the page.

    July 1, 2012
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    hezekiah

    Yeah, he wasn't trying to cheat, just figure out what the heck was going on.

    July 1, 2012
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    Wild Luxray

    Fine I will ask you guys again. What do I have to do to get you to like me again?

    July 1, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    I don't dislike you, I just wish you hadn't told everyone who the mafia was

    and I wish Trever hadn't told you, if that's where you got the information. You both should know better than that

    July 1, 2012
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    Vandy

    Let's all gang up on Teddy, even though Trever was the one who did everything wrong.

    This is what I've been thinking as I've been reading through this. What was Teddy supposed to do, pretend he didn't see what Trever told him? I'm sorry, Trever, but relying on Teddy's confidence just isn't a good excuse IMO because it doesn't change the fact that you passed game-related information to someone that was still playing, which could have had an effect on the game. Probably Teddy didn't discourage you from telling you that info, but you shouldn't have volunteered the info in the first place.

    Zanic and I have never had a legitimately game-related conversation, apart from last game where he asked me to kill him off because he was going to be gone and didn't want to be dead weight for the Town (and we had been planning on killing or converting him at some point anyway). He's thrown theories at me when I've been dead and he's been alive, but he's never asked for my comment on his theories and strategies and I've never offered it because I always try to be careful not to affect a game I'm no longer a part of. Our OOG talks have never had an effect on the game apart from the one exception I mentioned above because we specifically avoid talking theories and strategies.

    July 1, 2012
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    white lancer

    Teddy we all still love you!

    People are just upset that something happened that shouldn't have. I don't really think anyone would want either you or Trever to leave or whatever just because of what happened. As long as there wasn't any malicious intent from either side nobody's going to hold a grudge.

    July 1, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    If you had kept the information between yourself and Trever, although Trever shouldn't have done what he did either, then I think this would all be a non-issue.

    July 1, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    Slap 'em both on the wrist and move on. Let's get the next game started eh?

    July 1, 2012
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    White Thunder

    @Vandy- Believe it or not, nobody told Teddy who the Mafia is. He picked up on Trever's earlier suspicions, and added Hezy himself. The fact that all three guesses were right was nothing short of astonishing. Teddy should really play the lottery sometime with such insane good luck.

    July 1, 2012
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    Wild Luxray

    Perhaps we could make it so that even folks in the Dead Thread don't know who anyone is until the end of the game? That way, we could avoid anything like this happening again. That, or eliminate it entirely -- which may be a better option, considering that dead Mafiosi could easily reveal the Mafia and anybody hidden by the Janitor to dead Townies.

    July 1, 2012
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    Black Yoshi

    TEDDY CHEATED!
    Then he should be banned for at least the next 2 games.



    Spoken in anger. I don't want to see you banned for this. What I would ask, is that before you make a reply, think it through. How will it effect the game as well as your self.
    All of us should take that approach. Nobody wants anyone to walk by and piss in their sandbox when they are just about done building their castle.

    I've said this before and I will again. I enjoy this game as I know others do as well.
    And I thank Yeano for starting it, maintaining it, hosting it and putting up with us.
    But I think as I sure most of you do, he and Xhin need to fine tune it a little more.

    Have some type of mandatory point reduction penalty or #'s of game bans for when people do things during the course of the game, like what happened here and in previous games.

    "A PM system within mafia that can be viewed by the host."

    If this can be done with out a lot of work. Let's give it a shot.

    In the mean time, getting pissed at each other and letting it carry over into future games is just going to be disruptive to the games.

    Thanks everyone for hearing me out.

    If You Read The Whole Post.{:P}

    July 1, 2012
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    chiefsonny
     





    Guess that's what happens when you leave out the = and use a capital G

    July 1, 2012
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    chiefsonny
     

    Believe it or not out of the entire people here there are only five who really wish to forgive me. Hezekiah, Chief, Dooku and Redack. All of them scare me and all of them are stricter them most of you. Not that I don't want everyone to forgive me, but them four well I already said why.

    But most of all I want Trever to forgive me I messed him up in this game not even purposely but still.

    July 1, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    Believe it or not out of the entire people here there are only five who really wish to forgive me. Hezekiah, Chief, Dooku and Redack. All of them scare me and all of them are stricter them most of you. Not that I don't want everyone to forgive me, but them four well I already said why.

    I'm not even mad at you Teddy O.o I was more annoyed that my fellow townies were paying such attention to someone I thought was obviously the Fool.

    I'm a little annoyed information from the dead thread made it back into the normal game, but I'm not mad at you.

    I would like to raise a separate... not really issue... but complaint or something.

    Give Roxas a rest from cop for a while.

    This is nothing personal against you Roxas, trust me on that. You're a great cop and a real asset to the town. At this point, however, we need some new people to play the cop. It's becoming predictable and kinda boring to have the same cop game after game...

    July 1, 2012
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    Count Dooku

    Not my problem that I keep getting Cop. {:P} If Yeano is okay with it, I would be more than happy to switch roles with another player at random.

    July 1, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    And I completely understand. It is kind of boring to have the same role in three of four games (four out of nine overall).

    July 1, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    When is next game registration, Redack wants to play again...

    July 1, 2012
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    Redack

    So is Redack still mad at me?

    July 1, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    I was never mad at you, I didn't even have reason to seeing as I wasn't playing.

    July 1, 2012
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    Redack

    Also I'd like to request that out of game chat is just outlawed. I realise we don't really have a way to enforce it, but if we at least outlaw it (with the penalty either being host kill or no points for the rule breaker) but it might discourage some of what's happening and if anyone is caught then it comes at a cost.

    July 1, 2012
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    Redack

    If you had kept the information between yourself and Trever, although Trever shouldn't have done what he did either, then I think this would all be a non-issue.

    I think it's better that it got out of the open so that we can re-emphasize that dead people should not talk game with living people. Then we don't wind up with worse situations in later games and we can take White Thunder's suggestion and move on.

    That, or eliminate it entirely -- which may be a better option, considering that dead Mafiosi could easily reveal the Mafia and anybody hidden by the Janitor to dead Townies.

    Speaking as a frequent denizen of the Dead Thread, I would rather not eliminate it--it's a good way to pass the time if you wind up getting out of a game early. People just need to show some restraint and talk game only in that thread after they have been taken out.

    July 1, 2012
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    white lancer

    And wow, I had no idea how close I was to getting the bullet the first night! I was pretty much a dead man walking if it weren't for Trever and his trollfaces (I love that that tendency got mentioned in multiple threads XD). Also, lol at Morrigan staking out three J/S members' places.

    July 2, 2012
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    white lancer

    I'm also not happy at Morrigan's strategy of not posting at all. If you're gonna play the game then play the game. Yeah yeah, under the radar and all that crap.

    July 2, 2012
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    hezekiah

    I love how the Mafia assumed (as I did too) that I was protected in Night One and Two.

    Also, Feral, sorry for trying to pressure you into arresting somebody.

    July 2, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    @Roxas: But you were protected on Night 2! Just not Night 1 :). Didn't exactly trust you with that out-of-nowhere cop claim.

    July 2, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    Are okay with me Hezekiah?

    July 2, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    I love how the Mafia assumed (as I did too) that I was protected in Night One and Two.


    my vote was to take out Roxas last night; I assumed the doctor would move on and try to protect someone else since we hadn't tried for Roxas yet.

    July 2, 2012
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    Vandy

    So are the violators going to be in next game?

    July 2, 2012
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    #85

    as long as it is made clear that dead players cannot tell live players anything about the game, I don't think there should be a problem with them in our next game

    July 2, 2012
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    Vandy

    I must have misread that part then, MM9. I honestly would have never thought about you being the Doc.

    And I agree with Vandy. So long as dead stay dead and living stay living.

    July 2, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    I was right about Teddy.

    {:3}

    July 2, 2012
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    Dragon in the Shadows

    Yeah Roxas, you'd've ended up dead if not for the whole Teddy clusterfuck.

    Teddy, I still don't believe that you just happened to finger Vandy, Shadowwalked and myself all at once.

    July 2, 2012
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    hezekiah

    Teddy, I still don't believe that you just happened to finger Vandy, Shadowwalked and myself all at once.


    I don't see any way he could have found out through illegitimate means. Nobody in the Dead Thread were even aware of who made up the mafia. It would have required someone like Yeano telling him who the mafia were for that to be true.

    July 2, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    I thought I said what I was told in the main thread I said it but you wouldn't believe me. To be honest I don't remember fingering you Hezekiah. I said what I did in the main thread if you don't forgive me Hezekiah you can shut up.

    July 2, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    Let's all gang up on Teddy, even though Trever was the one who did everything wrong.


    This.

    Let me clarify the rules for you.

    They say that there is no dead talk. They never mention anything about living players listening to dead players.

    Take this scenario: Let's say white lancer is convinced that MajorasMask9 is a member of the mafia. And white lancer has a bunch of quotes, etc. to use against Majora the next day. Let's then say that a dead mafia member IMs white lancer and says, "MajorasMask9 is a mafia member!"

    According to how most of you are reacting, white lancer should basically respond with, "Welp, I guess I can't pursue lynching MajorasMask9 now! Doing so would be cheating!"

    Then you would expect me to dock him points and ban him from future games because he learned something he shouldn't have.

    It's absolutely bull crap that anyone should think Teddy would be punished or is at fault here.

    As was said by a few players, Trever was the one that broke the rules. Trever made the mistake. He has since learned from it. So don't be a jerk to him either.

    Anyway, I will shortly give the player points.

    July 2, 2012
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    Yeano

    I guess according to Hezekiah I am too stupid to figure out who the mafia could be.

    July 2, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    I'd say this is somewhat similar to the game where Dooku, Teddy, Knuckles, and a couple others were Mafia (Game Five?) where Teddy told me early on in the game who they were, but I did not use that information outright. I waited for some kind of opening (Teddy's inadvertent random voting that coincidentally landed on each of his teammates + white lancer) that could be used within the confines of the game. Just because you have information you shouldn't doesn't mean you have to use it. That's the extent of how I view Teddy's side of this.

    I do agree that a majority of the blame does go on Trever, but that he should continue to play.

    July 2, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    Still Hezekiah doesn't need to be a dick about it.

    July 2, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    Even after now he still doesn't believe me. Because I am too stupid for him.

    July 2, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    I should get extra points for voting for myself three rounds in a row without dying :P

    July 2, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    Player scores:

    Xhin +1 (surviving)
    Count Dooku +1 (surviving)
    hezekiah +1 (surviving)
    Shadowwalked +1 (surviving)
    Trever Leingod -1 (infraction of Mafia rules)
    White Thunder +1 (surviving)
    Teddy-Son +1 (dying at night)
    MajorasMask9 +1 (surviving)
    CtR Black +1 (surviving)
    Morrigan +2 (surviving, influencing a lynch)
    `Roxas` +1 (surviving)
    DragonintheShadows +1 (surviving)
    Black Yoshi +1 (surviving)
    chiefsonny +1 (surviving)
    Vandy +1 (surviving)
    white lancer +1 (surviving) (Yes, he technically survived)

    Trever Leingod now has a negative score. This means that he may not register for any games.

    It is the first of the month, which means that all players with negative scores have had their scores reset to 0.

    Trever's score is now 0. He may once again register for Mafia games.

    July 2, 2012
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    Yeano

    I'd say this is somewhat similar to the game where Dooku, Teddy, Knuckles, and a couple others were Mafia (Game Five?) where Teddy told me early on in the game who they were, but I did not use that information outright. I waited for some kind of opening (Teddy's inadvertent random voting that coincidentally landed on each of his teammates + white lancer) that could be used within the confines of the game. Just because you have information you shouldn't doesn't mean you have to use it. That's the extent of how I view Teddy's side of this.

    Argh! I knew it! I knew it!

    July 2, 2012
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    Count Dooku

    While I agree with you, Teddy, I can see where hezekiah is coming from in regards to the game.

    Why did you do that any way, Xhin?

    July 2, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    Why did you do that any way, Xhin?

    Presumably he was hoping to scare people into not voting for him :P Works very well on the Epic Mafia website when the fool is in play.

    July 2, 2012
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    Count Dooku

    If I recall correctly, I did admit to that at the end of that particular game. I feel as though if I did, for some reason, have an advantage, as I did in that game, I would not outright use that to my team's advantage, which I did not.

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    `Roxas`

    If I recall correctly, I did admit to that at the end of that particular game. I feel as though if I did, for some reason, have an advantage, as I did in that game, I would not outright use that to my team's advantage, which I did not.

    Well, I figured that something other than Teddy's random voting was at play :P It's all good.

    Hey, Yeano, where's my +1 for right about Shadowwalked and +1 for right about Teddy!

    July 2, 2012
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    Count Dooku

    Actually, bumped Vandy up to +2. He played pretty well, in my opinion.

    chiefsonny. You have the most points. Would you like to host the next game?

    July 2, 2012
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    Yeano

    Hezekiah is coming from the fact that there is no way I can guess on him being mafia and being correct because I am too stupid so there must be no way I can be right.

    July 2, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    I'm sure that's not the only reasoning (your correct guessing, that is) he has.

    July 2, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    That points list just looks so empty without my name.

    I STILL can't believe that my cause of death was mistaken identity! I had no idea that my writing/grammar was so simmiliar to Morrigan's!

    July 2, 2012
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    Wild Luxray

    "chiefsonny. You have the most points. Would you like to host the next game?"

    I'll pass for now as long as by passing I don't forfeit my eligibility.

    Also I have a suggestion for a new role that I would like to throw out for everyone to look at.
    Where and when should I post it. May not be doable.

    July 2, 2012
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    chiefsonny
     

    Teddy, I still don't believe that you just happened to finger Vandy, Shadowwalked and myself all at once.

    What other reasoning would that be to say that? Sounds like an insult to me.

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    Teddy-Son

    @Teddy- Anybody can make a lucky guess. Hezekiah isn't calling you stupid. He's just a skeptic by nature.

    July 2, 2012
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    Wild Luxray

    Also I have a suggestion for a new role that I would like to throw out for everyone to look at.
    Where and when should I post it. May not be doable.


    You can do that in this thread.

    white lancer, you're next on the list. Would you like to host next game?

    July 2, 2012
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    Yeano

    Whatever you know him more then I do so I'll believe you.

    July 2, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    Would like to see the Mafia get the Hooker next game, if possible. Obviously chiefsonny gets suggestion priority.

    July 2, 2012
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    Count Dooku

    Fuck that Helius is the real hooker around here.

    July 2, 2012
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    Teddy-Son

    Idea for new Mafia role

    This role will similar to the Assassin but would be called:

    Hit Man.

    It would be a 3rd party role that can not win with Mafia or town, but will get 1 point at the end of the game if he survives.

    However he can earn points as follows.
    He will have 3 threads

    Thread 1 Hitman thread. This is where he talks to the host and takes his actions.

    Thread 2 Town Contracts only townies and the Hit man allowed.

    Thread 3 Mafia Contracts only Mafia and the hit man allowed.

    Both town and or Mafia may enter their Contract thread at night and try to get him to make a hit. They must give the name of who they want to contract on.
    It should be the ranking person from that group. i.e Godfather, Mayor, Gov.

    The hit man then decides if he wants to take the contract. He can only take one contract each night. The town or Mafia will only know which actions he took if any the next day.
    The hit man will never talk to them in their Contract threads.

    Yeano will decided how many points to give for a hit and they should be different for each group and only Yeano knows how many. The hit man will not know which group pays the most for the contract.

    Example :
    Town will pay 3 points
    Mafia will pay 2 points.

    The Hit Man can only do 2 hits in a game. He can be lynched and he can be night killed. He can not be protected by the Doc or any other healer. He will show up as innocent if checked by the cop.

    Thoughts?

    July 2, 2012
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    chiefsonny
     

    If the hitman is able to communicate in the contract topics, it may be easy to identify him by his posting style even if the names are masked.

    July 2, 2012
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    LLight

    If the hitman is able to communicate in the contract topics

    He will not be allowed to talk in the Town or Mafia Contract threads. Only go in and check if a contract has been left there. Those 2 threads are a contract offer point only.

    He will only be allowed to talk in the Hit man thread which is where he let the host know what his actions will be.

    Hopefully that way during the day rounds he can talk freely and try to convince everyone he's townie

    July 2, 2012
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    chiefsonny
     

    With the current setup, this role would be impossible (especially with one person being able to see three different threads).

    It brings up some interesting ideas, though.

    July 2, 2012
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    Yeano

    Actually, I like it!

    Good idea, Chief.

    July 2, 2012
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    Helius

    OK. Thanks.

    Kind of thought it may have been un-doable.

    July 2, 2012
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    chiefsonny
     

    How to do it

    Town picks a designated spokesperson during Day 1. (May be a Mafia member... but could be interesting)

    Mafia picks a designated spokesperson (during Night 0) who puts a wager in the Mafia thread.

    Or Yeano picks a person for the town: Spokesperson (town-sided role who places a contract against Mafia contract but the town doesn't realize it)... <--- this way no one knows each other

    Hitman role assigned. Host posts offers. Hitman barters with town-sided role and mafia role for the hit. Hitman then chooses.

    ---------------

    From my understanding, this method would work in our set-up, maybe?

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    Helius

    Just make them official roles with the Hitman. Town Spokesman and Mafia Spokesman. Give the town one his own thread, and he can tell the host what he wants the Hitman to do.

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    The Bandit

    Or Yeano picks a person for the town: Spokesperson (town-sided role who places a contract against Mafia contract but the town doesn't realize it)... <--- this way no one knows each other

    How did I miss this sentence, my brain sucks.

    July 2, 2012
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    The Bandit

    That's actually something I was thinking of before I logged on to my computer, Helius.

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    `Roxas`

    Work-arounds are great. And Bandit, it was early in the morning when I wrote that... so you're excused.

    July 2, 2012
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    Helius

    Trever Leingod now has a negative score. This means that he may not register for any games.

    It is the first of the month, which means that all players with negative scores have had their scores reset to 0.

    Trever's score is now 0. He may once again register for Mafia games.

    XD

    Also, I was wondering if being arrested but not killed meant I would get points for surviving. I guess I should be thanking Feral for that since he essentially made me invincible, and if that hadn't happened I would probably be walking away from this game points-less (I think this is the first game where I haven't received points for good playing?). I believe that makes three games that I've survived to the end now.

    I think the Hit Man role is interesting. My one thing about him, though, is what does he do if he's carried out his hits and the game is still going? He doesn't have a stake in either team's victory so he'd kind of turn into a dead weight player.

    July 2, 2012
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    white lancer

    Hitman wins with the team he helped out the most provided they win? Or in the case of a tie in the help, he wins regardless of which side he helped... provided he survives.

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    Helius

    I think the Hit Man role is interesting. My one thing about him, though, is what does he do if he's carried out his hits and the game is still going? He doesn't have a stake in either team's victory so he'd kind of turn into a dead weight player.

    That's one of the things I was hoping other players could make a suggestion for.
    I wanted to keep the contracts at 2 so he does not screw up the game by taking out 2 many people.
    Right now all he can do is after his kills is talk in the day rounds, which would be boring.

    July 2, 2012
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    chiefsonny
     

    Maybe we need to wait until the next game so we can fine tune it, unless you have any other ideas.

    July 2, 2012
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    chiefsonny
     

    I'm not really sure how best to counteract that problem with the Hit Man. We can try to figure something out but for now I think I'll probably leave him out of this next game.

    July 2, 2012
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    white lancer

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