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game 8 thread 2 night 2rip roxas

Posted July 8, 2012 by white lancer

Day 2

There were no official deaths during the night round, but reports have come in that one chiefsonny has gone missing without a trace. Wonder what happened to him.

1. Redack
2. Vandy
3. Dragon in the Shadows
4. White Thunder
5. `Roxas`
6. MajorasMask9
7. Trever Leingod
8. Black Yoshi
9. CtR Black
10. Jo Nathan
11. chiefsonny - ???
12. Helius
13. Teddy Son
14. hezekiah
15. Count Dooku
16. Kyon
17. Xhin
18. #85
19. Marvalo
20. Wild Luxray
21. poptart!
22. Zanic
23. Shadowwalked

Starting Mafia-Town-Other Ratio: 6-16-1

Deliberate. 72 hours or 14 votes for the same option.

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July 8, 2012
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Redack

That sucks! Of all the people we lost, we had to lose cheif, one of our best minds.

So now what?

July 8, 2012
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Wild Luxray

I'll wait for our journalist to do their article before I think about voting.

July 8, 2012
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Redack

yes I am quite curious as to where chiefsonny has gone

July 8, 2012
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Vandy

That just means that the Janitor hid the body. Chief was the Mafia kill.

July 8, 2012
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Wild Luxray

I guess it kind of makes sense that chiefsonny was targeted since he had a good word put in by the Journalist, but I can't say that I find anyone suspicious as of now just based on nightkill targets.

I'm also going to wait for the cop or Journalist before voting. Hopefully we'll get a reliable lead so that the Sensor can get results, assuming chiefsonny wasn't the Sensor.

July 8, 2012
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MajorasMask9

I have some suspicions based on the previous round, but I'm gonna keep them to myself for now. Just not sure if they are well founded or not. No vote for now.

July 8, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

That sucks! Of all the people we lost, we had to lose cheif, one of our best minds.

So now what?

I have to say, this seemed very "Oh no, oh dear, oh my. Whatever will WE do my fellow town members?"

Still, suppose we should wait for the journalist's article.

July 9, 2012
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Count Dooku

What? I'w was just asking what stradegy we should take. Everybody knows I suck at wording things.

July 9, 2012
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Wild Luxray

I have some suspicions based on the previous round, but I'm gonna keep them to myself for now.


Oh don't worry they probably can't be as crazy as my theories seem to get :)

July 9, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Based off the behavior patterns I noticed in the last game I was in...

Roxas is quiet....too quiet.

July 9, 2012
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Kyon

Back in black y'all. No suspicions so far, or only very minor ones anyway. At this point I say cop should only reveal if he got a guilty verdict.

July 9, 2012
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White Thunder

I've been busy with friends since the game started, between trying to balance relaxing and trying to find a job. That, and I'm really in to 358/2 Days.

July 9, 2012
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`Roxas`

At this point I say cop should only reveal if he got a guilty verdict.

The problem with this is we don't know if he's a standard Cop, or if he's the Insane, Paranoid or Naive.

July 9, 2012
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`Roxas`

If the cop was lucky enough to check chiefsonny before he died, then that would be a pretty good indicator of their mental state.

But still, that would be a problem in any game, and I don't think it's something to worry about right off. I think it's unlikely that white lancer would go overboard on "insane" roles without a psychiatrist in play.

July 9, 2012
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MajorasMask9

I believe, due to the Hooker, that the cop should remain hidden until they have a guilty verdict. At that point, they can out.

The problem with this strategy, obviously, is that me might lose the cop during the night round. So ultimately it's up to the cop, but if they reveal now the Hooker can prevent them from checking someone every other night. We'll get half of the verdicts we normally would.

July 9, 2012
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Count Dooku

Dang, what a weird target for the Mafia o.0 Just because chiefsonny was given a clean slate by the Journalist was a wacky reason to kill him.

July 9, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Hmm. We've got to look at current evidence given to us by reading posts. Who would have wanted Chief dead?

July 9, 2012
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Zanic

They didn't even have to have a reason, it could have just been a totally random kill for all we know. That's why I've never been a fan of basing theories too much on nightkills, silencer targets, etc.

But it's not like that ever stops me!

July 9, 2012
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MajorasMask9

That seems like that would've been a stupid random kill. Agreeing with what Trever said.

July 9, 2012
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Zanic

Maybe Chief was targeted because he is a great strategizer. The Mafia obviously knew chief was innocent, so his cllean bill from the Journalist shouldn't have meant anything to them.

July 9, 2012
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Wild Luxray

I know it wouldn't have meant anything to the mafia, I'm just saying that there were probably some much better choices that I'm sure would have thrown suspicion around. Going off that, the mafia is probably full of inexperienced players.

July 9, 2012
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Zanic

Or he was targeted for being an administrator... mafia games have fetishes on killing those guys.

July 9, 2012
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Helius

Sorry I am late. Skype chat, power was out.

July 9, 2012
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Teddy Son

The Daily News Report, written by your Journalist:

Local resident goes missing.

Chiefsonny, age 69, has gone missing without a trace.

The community is in mourning, but a search party is being put together to look for Chief.

"That sucks!" Wild Luxray said. "Of all the people we lost, we had to lose cheif, one of our best minds."

Reports are also coming in that residents are getting more active.

Shadowwalked and 'Roxas' were seen entering Redack's house.

"I have some suspicions based on the previous round," Dragon in the Shadows said,"but I'm gonna keep them to myself for now."

Redack had left the home during the night, presumably to visit someone else.

July 9, 2012
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white lancer

The Journalist must be manipulating the Mafia and us... the pen is mightier than the sword after all.

July 9, 2012
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Helius

So what do we know, then? We leaned that Redack, Shadow, and Roxas all have possible night actions. We learned that the Journalist knows intimate info about chief(he really IS somewhere around 69 years old).

Not very much to go on.

July 9, 2012
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Wild Luxray

Well we aren't going to really get leads with the janitor around. So our only hope is for the cop or the journalist.

I'm a bit confused about the journalist, can they just write whatever they want?

July 9, 2012
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#85

I'm concerned that the Journalist may have just given the mafia a few targets :/

If someone isn't clearly up to something (entering a room, only to have the person in the room die) I would advise against writing anything in your article about the event. Otherwise you could tip the mafia off on who the town's power roles are.

July 9, 2012
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Count Dooku

Wtf, three people on my house last night? What did the three of you steal while I was out?

Anyway I guess seeing as I can't deny it now, yea I do have a night action but it failed last night. Either Shadowwalked or Roxas is the hooker seeing as they're the only two (other than journalist) that visited me.

July 9, 2012
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Redack

Is that a poltergeist claim, Red?

July 9, 2012
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#85

Okay before I vote I would like to explain why I am voting the way I am. In the previous round Roxas claimed to be a regular townie with no powers early on.

Nah, just an ordinary townie this time. Yay, no powers! - Friday, Jul 6, 2012 -- 6:02pm


now the Journalist has proven the exact opposite. He was in Redack's house last night. I'm not sure of his guilt and will change my vote if the cop says otherwise.

July 9, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

I know, late to the party as usual, but the day round started in the middle of last night, and I didn't even notice until I woke up this morning. Anyway, based on that journal article, it's safe to assume that Shadow and Roxas aren't the Lovers, since the Lovers only visit one another's houses. Other than that, nothing to go on, save that Chief was the Mafia kill.

July 9, 2012
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Black Yoshi

Yeah, so what? I didn't want the Mafia on my ass. I've been some sort of power role, including in the SW games, for four straight games (not including this one). It's a blessing and a curse, I guess.

July 9, 2012
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`Roxas`

Also, unless we are certain of somebody's guilt, we don't need to lynch somebody (and possibly take out two people) unless we are certain.

July 9, 2012
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`Roxas`

That certainly does put a lot of suspicion on Roxas. He flat out lied, and I'd say it's much more likely that he's a Mafia than a town-sided power role.

July 9, 2012
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White Thunder

And there is the fact that he was trying to get us to not follow up on the Cop's leads claiming the Cop could be Insane, Paranoid or Naive...Which I admit is a possibility. I recommend the Cop investigate Roxas tonight if he isn't lynched.

July 9, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

It is possible two town roles were at Redacks house, but it's more likely either Shadow or Roxas is the Hooker.

We need to be aggressive because we aren't going to be learning a lot with quiet power roles.

July 9, 2012
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#85

Was busy over the weekend, and am at work now. I've read parts of the threads, but will do more reading. For now, gotta think Roxas is the best target; the whole "I'm a townie" thing is much more likely to be a mafioso blending in than a town role trying to lay low, in my eyes.

July 9, 2012
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hezekiah

Is that a poltergeist claim, Red?

Even though he didn't admit this, the Journalist's description really raised a flag for me, so I'm going to take a guess that someone among Redack, Shadowwalked, and Roxas might be the Poltergeist and someone else is the Hooker.

However, there's actually something else to consider here. Just because Shadowwalked and Roxas were in the same house doesn't mean both had power roles. It could very well mean one is a night role and the other was their target. Perhaps the Poltergeist switched their target? In any case, it seems Redack is in fact some night role. All three could be innocent. At the same time, all three could be guilty - Mafia members visiting each other, perhaps? In which case Redack would appear to be the Hooker o_O

I agree that Roxas' early role claim early in the game was off, there wasn't much reason to claim anything that early in the game. When he's a cop, it makes a bit more sense, though.

July 9, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Only night roles visit another house, Trever. So all 3 of them must be "something".

July 9, 2012
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hezekiah

However, there's actually something else to consider here. Just because Shadowwalked and Roxas were in the same house doesn't mean both had power roles.

Not just the same house, both were in Redack's house. Meaning, they both have to have power roles and/or be in the Mafia. It's possible that one is the Hooker and the other is the Lunatic; that's unlikely but it would be quite a steal.

In any case I still think it's a bit too early to vote for Rox, although he is certainly the most suspicious at this point.

July 9, 2012
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White Thunder

Fuck

Thanks, journalist.

While I wanted to stay hidden for what will due to:

'I believe, due to the Hooker, that the cop should remain hidden until they have a guilty verdict. At that point, they can out.'

Anyone with a bit of reasoning can determine my role based on the provided information (Mafia included, if 'Roxas' is mafia-sided).

1) It would have said Redack's house burnt down if either 'Roxas' or myself was the Arsonist.

2) Neither of us are the journalist, because it was the journalist that wrote the article.

3) We're not the Lunatic, because one of us would have died.

So, as the Mafia would certainly already know that I'm a power role, its time to make it known that I'm the cop. Poptart! and Redack were both innocent upon investigation.

Now, since the Hooker can only distract me one night, and then have to pick someone else, my investigation would be slowed, but you now know I'm the cop and the 'supposed, there is a godfather this game' innocence of two people. Furthermore, since the doctor has yet to be revealed, I'd be able to stay alive and tell who is guilty as soon as I get the verdict.

July 9, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Now, since the Hooker can only distract me one night

Clarification, she can distract me every other night.

'First of all, we have the town Hooker. The loveliest member of the Mafia, she will visit someone each night and, err, distract them from performing their night actions. She cannot visit the same person on consecutive nights'

July 9, 2012
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Shadowwalked

So trying to save myself from a Mafia hit and pointing out the possibility of not everything the Cop says is truth is grounds for a lynch? Here I thought we were done with those days.

July 9, 2012
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`Roxas`

Then I guess we need to kill the Hooker before she 'distracts' anyone else...

July 9, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Shadow, are you saying that Roxas is the hooker?

July 9, 2012
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White Thunder

Shadow, are you saying that Roxas is the hooker?

I'm saying that I'm the cop, that neither of us are the lunatic or arsonist, Redack was innocent (And I'm sure he'd state if he and 'Roxas' were lovers), and that I would assume the polterguiest would warrant a bit more of a spooky story from the journalist, if it warranted one at all. So I suppose the only thing 'Roxas' could be IS the hooker.

July 9, 2012
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Shadowwalked

I'm fairly confident Roxas is the hooker.

July 9, 2012
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Redack

I don't like your deceitfulness !

I wish the hooker would come distract me once in a while :p

July 9, 2012
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Vandy

No sense in putting this off any longer; I am the Hooker.

@Fellow Mafia: Take out he who I entertained in the Night. It's too bad that I won't see this through with you guys. If there is any group that can fly through this game, it is you. Best of luck taking them out and winning.

I guess I can use the signature I have recently implemented.

"It looks like my summer vacation... is over."

July 9, 2012
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`Roxas`

Roxas, I was pretty sure of your guilt prior to Shadow's cop claim for reasons I stated at the time. I had considered, as Shadow also did, that Roxas and Redack may have been lovers. However, Redack's first post-journalist post made me highly doubt that this was the case.

July 9, 2012
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hezekiah

Voting for Roxas.

There is technically a small probability that Redack was switched places with someone else who happened to be targeted by the Hooker, but honestly that is a longshot by far. It would require four different night roles (Shadow, Roxas, Poltergeist, and Journalist) to target Redack, and two night roles (Hooker, Poltergeist) to target someone else. With the amount of players we have in play, I'm not willing to take that chance.

By lynching either Shadowwalked or Roxas, the Sensor will get information. Shadowwalked claimed Cop and I'm more inclined to believe that, because if the poltergeist didn't target Redack, then that leaves the Cop, Doctor, and Hooker as the only people who could have targeted Redack. Since Shadow claimed cop, and the Hooker did target Redack, then Roxas would have to be the Hooker.

July 9, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Here we go, then.

July 9, 2012
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Wild Luxray

Or Roxas could just claim Hooker while I'm typing up my reply :)

July 9, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Well we're already high enough that the Executioner could kill off Roxas (though the kill should happen at the end of the round, regardless). There was some discussion about how the Executioner works during the last round, but can't remember what all was said about it. Anybody got a tl;dr for me?

July 9, 2012
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hezekiah

Role says that when a player gets 1/3 of the votes, which I have, that the executioner can use their power. The kill happens at the end of the day, and the only thing that can stop it is the Governor.

July 9, 2012
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`Roxas`

Seems like there was some more questioning going on about how Executioner, Governor, and Sensor interacted... in any event, doesn't seem like that's really the direction this game is headed. My assumption is that we'll only get to know how many of the 14 people (or 13, if the DV is one of 'em) who voted for Roxas are "guilty".

July 9, 2012
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hezekiah

Unsure on the executioner, but if the governor prevents a killing the sensor still gets his info. It only counts for the first "14 votes" that win the vote any additions to that won't count as the round technically ended (it was just that the host couldn't end it in time).

I'd imagine if the executioner does his thing the sensor still gets his full data on the winning vote.

July 9, 2012
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Redack

I'm going to make a ruling on the use of the Governor and Sensor in tandem and say that the Sensor doesn't get results if the Governor stops the killing. It's not clear in the rules, but I think the spirit of the Sensor role is that it only gets results when there's an actual death during the day round.

--stated by White Lancer last day round (reply 1341617763)

So, if the Governor stops a killing, the Sensor gets nothing, unfortunately.

Good God, I've gotta pay more attention to this game...

July 9, 2012
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Black Yoshi

omg my suspicions were correct.

July 9, 2012
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Kyon

Well well, lookey here.

It's better if we lynch with 14 votes. More information for the Sensor.

July 9, 2012
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Count Dooku

Yup. Figured.

Everybody vote for him!

July 9, 2012
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White Thunder

Unless people have doubts about me being the cop, I think its best for me to vote 'no vote', and have two others bring the total to fourteen. More information for the sensor.

However, if you want me to vote with the crowd, feel free to request it.

July 9, 2012
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Shadowwalked

And Roxas reveals himself as the hooker. I guess I did have a good suspicion afterall.

July 9, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

That's a given, Count; since we've got our target, there's no real reason to drag the round out. Yeah, we could try and draw useful info out of other people, but there's not a whole lot of cause to try and do so.

3 more votes!

July 9, 2012
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hezekiah

2, hezy.

July 9, 2012
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Wild Luxray

It may even be just a single vote more; I'm not sure what the percent needed to end the round is... it's something near 14/22, but it'd be nice if lancer clarified.

July 9, 2012
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hezekiah

It could be just one vote. We have the double voter in this game.

July 9, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Oh yeah... so I guess the round could even be over now, then; we've got 12 voters for Roxas, 1 for Not Voting. That means 12/21 ~= 57% is for killing Roxas.
Last round, we required 14/23 ~=61% for an option (ended up as No Kill).
With a DV vote for Roxas today, we'd stand at 13/21 ~= 62% right now, greater than the cutoff for last round.
With a DV vote from Shadowwalked (for Not Voting), we'd stand at 12/20 = 60%, which may also be sufficient for a lynch.

White lancer, what's the situation?

July 9, 2012
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hezekiah

Can we just get the last one or two votes in so we can all move on with the game?

July 9, 2012
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`Roxas`

good catch by Dragon in the Shadows

July 9, 2012
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Vandy

Before you die, mind explaining why you killed Chief?

And have fun in the Dead Thread. There's been a lot of bad luck in games recently; Redack's betrayal, Journalist exposing #85 after Cop found him innocent, and now this...

July 9, 2012
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hezekiah

Thanks. Now lets see if I make it through the night.

{:s}

July 9, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

It was an unfortunate circumstance. How you wish to interpret that is up to you.

July 9, 2012
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`Roxas`

It will be revealed in due time also.

July 9, 2012
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`Roxas`

Those bastards made him watch the Hulk movies until he shot himself!

{>:(}

Also just an observation, but Xhin has been pretty quiet lately. I don't recall him doing any thing during the last day round and he hasn't done anything this round...Maybe he forgot he signed up.

July 9, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Also just an observation, but Xhin has been pretty quiet lately.


Was about to say something. Maybe he's not used to being alive this long?

July 9, 2012
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Kyon

True. Usually it's something like this:

Sign me up...What I'm dead already? The game hasn't started yet


July 9, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Xhin hasn't really be on much to begin with so I think that's the reason.

July 9, 2012
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Redack

I'm curious as to why, exactly, Shadow changed his vote...

July 9, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Backtracking-

Roxas said:

If there is any group that can fly through this game, it is you. Best of luck taking them out and winning.


Is this to say that the Mafia has some very skilled players? If so...

July 9, 2012
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Kyon

Roxas it is!

July 9, 2012
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Helius

Is this to say that the Mafia has some very skilled players? If so...


Could be a bluff.

July 9, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

I'm curious as to why, exactly, Shadow changed his vote...

I never changed my vote. I've had it set to 'Not Voting', so that you could get more precise sensor information.

July 9, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Ah. My bad.

July 9, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

It may even be just a single vote more; I'm not sure what the percent needed to end the round is... it's something near 14/22, but it'd be nice if lancer clarified.

It's 60% of the players in the game--60% of 22 is 13.2, but I rounded it up to 14. Anyway, round was over with White Thunder's vote--I was at work.

Based off of the Journalist's information, the Town decided to lynch Roxas. After the executioner's axe came down, the Town discovered that Roxas was indeed the Hooker.

Night 2

1. Redack
2. Vandy
3. Dragon in the Shadows
4. White Thunder
5. `Roxas` - Hooker
6. MajorasMask9
7. Trever Leingod
8. Black Yoshi
9. CtR Black
10. Jo Nathan
11. chiefsonny - ???
12. Helius
13. Teddy Son
14. hezekiah
15. Count Dooku
16. Kyon
17. Xhin
18. #85
19. Marvalo
20. Wild Luxray
21. poptart!
22. Zanic
23. Shadowwalked

Starting Mafia-Town-Other Ratio: 6-16-1

You now have 24 hours to get your night actions in!

July 9, 2012
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white lancer

Correction: The round ended after Helius' vote. I thought Shadow had initially voted for `Roxas` but it turns out he did not. Carry on.

July 9, 2012
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white lancer

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