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game 8 thread 3 night 3the town sleeps soundly

Posted July 10, 2012 by white lancer

Day 2

Last night was quite an unfortunate night. First off, the body of Marvalo was discovered lying on the ground in his house, bleeding to death from numerous lacerations on his body. Next to him lay Xhin, dead with a sword through his heart and clutching a note that reads: "I cannot go on without my sweet Marvalo!" Rest in peace, star-crossed Lovers.

Also during the night, someone's house went up in flames, and though the Poltergeist was incorporeal, Redack couldn't survive the destruction of his resting place.

Finally, while the rest of the Town was watching the firefighters put the fire out, Kyon wandered off. He doesn't seem to have returned, though, and a search is still ensuing.

1. Redack - Poltergeist
2. Vandy
3. Dragon in the Shadows
4. White Thunder
5. `Roxas` - Hooker
6. MajorasMask9
7. Trever Leingod
8. Black Yoshi
9. CtR Black
10. Jo Nathan
11. chiefsonny - ???
12. Helius
13. Teddy Son
14. hezekiah
15. Count Dooku
16. Kyon - ???
17. Xhin - Lover
18. #85
19. Marvalo - Lover
20. Wild Luxray
21. poptart!
22. Zanic
23. Shadowwalked

Starting Mafia-Town-Other Ratio: 6-16-1

What a night! 72 hours or 11 votes for the same option will end the round.

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Yes, that should read Day 3 up there. Whoops.

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white lancer

So, it looks like the Arsonist went after Red, whilst the Mafia took out Kyon (and their Janitor hid his body). As for Marvalo, perhaps he was the Lunatic's target...

...sorry if I just stole your thunder, Journalist.

Anyway, I'll have to wait and see how this round develops before casting a vote.

July 10, 2012
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Black Yoshi

No, the lover role means if one dies then the other does too. Xhin and Marvalo were the lovers. How unfortunate that Xhin was one of them, after all we had to know that the Mafia was going to take him out sooner or later.

Also, whoever the arsonist is shouldn't have killed Redack. I think it was pretty clear from the last round that he was town-sided. I would advise them against irrational moves like that without a much clearer suspicion.

As always, we'll wait for the journalist and the cop before settling on anything.

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White Thunder

Interesting that the mafia chose not to target Shadowwalked, after his Cop claim yesterday... could be that Redack chose himself and Shadow, but that would lead to the question of why the Doctor didn't choose Shadow (unless the Doctor's dead already).

Black Yoshi's analysis looks sound: Mafia killed Kyon, Arsonist took out Redack, Lunatic killed Marvalo and Xhin. Notable is that the Lunatic may have targeted either of the two: target Marvalo and flip Tails (kill the target), or target Xhin and flip Heads (kill the next to enter).


I have some mild suspicions, but will wait at least until we hear from the Journalist (assuming they've not yet bit the dust).

July 10, 2012
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hezekiah

Definitely a bloody night o.O Dang.

Also, whoever the arsonist is shouldn't have killed Redack. I think it was pretty clear from the last round that he was town-sided. I would advise them against irrational moves like that without a much clearer suspicion.

I second this. Once we found out Roxas was the Hooker, it was pretty clear Redack was a town sided role and there was no reason to target him.

Interesting that the mafia chose not to target Shadowwalked, after his Cop claim yesterday... could be that Redack chose himself and Shadow, but that would lead to the question of why the Doctor didn't choose Shadow (unless the Doctor's dead already).

We don't even know if the Doctor choose to protect either, nor what Redack's decision was either. Knowing Shadowwalked was likely to be protected, the Mafia probably took a shot in the dark.

Notable is that the Lunatic may have targeted either of the two: target Marvalo and flip Tails (kill the target), or target Xhin and flip Heads (kill the next to enter).

Pretty sure the Lunatic would be the only one to make a kill of this style, with the Mafia kill most likely being Kyon.

First off, the body of Marvalo was discovered lying on the ground in his house, bleeding to death from numerous lacerations on his body. Next to him lay Xhin, dead with a sword through his heart and clutching a note that reads: "I cannot go on without my sweet Marvalo!"

Pretty sure from Xhin's death note, the Lunatic hit Marvalo and then Xhin killed himself.

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Trever Leingod

Yeah, burning down Redack wasn't the smartest move, arsonist, especially when I had already stated he was innocent.

Last night I wanted to investigate Xhin, but it said something along the lines of "Something changes your mind and you choose to investigate Redack instead". I'm not sure if it said this due to Xhin dying, or if Redack polterguiested me to prevent something.

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Shadowwalked

Now that I think about it, Redack wouldn't have been the target of the arsonist. Redack would have swapped himself with Xhin, resulting in my investigation of Redack instead of Xhin. Therefor, the arsonist would have targeted Xhin. I agree that the lunatic is probably the reason why Xhin and Marvalo still died though.

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Shadowwalked

Well with that in mind, it would appear that Redack's choice was to switch himself and Xhin as targets. Which would mean the arsonist wanted to target Xhin. Which means Redack got himself killed, essentially. Sucks either way.

July 10, 2012
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hezekiah

(Posted that before I saw Shadow's second post)

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hezekiah

So no info, no kill?

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CtR Black

Suicidal Poltergeist...

Well, what's the deal? Our cop has 3 investigation results to share. Do we risk a cop/doctor combo now that the Hooker isn't around to interfere? Or would we prefer to have the sensor's readings?

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Count Dooku

actually i guess we might learn something from the journalist.

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CtR Black

From what I understand happened in the night round:

-Poltergeist (Redack) switched Xhin and Redack.
-Arsonist targeted Xhin (killing Redack instead).
-Lunatic targeted Marvalo.
-Mafia targeted Kyon.

And Shadow got results for Redack again instead of Xhin due to them swapping places.

Since Shadow has no new info, we should still wait for the Journalist. The sensor might even have some info to share, depending on how revealing the results from the last lynch were.

So I'm waiting for now !

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MajorasMask9

Well, what's the deal? Our cop has 3 investigation results to share. Do we risk a cop/doctor combo now that the Hooker isn't around to interfere? Or would we prefer to have the sensor's readings?


Shadow already claimed Cop last round!

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MajorasMask9

Our cop has 3 investigation results to share.

And I've been sharing them :(

Poptart was shown to be innocent upon investigation, Redack was shown to be innocent upon investigation, and then Redack switched what happened with Xhin, so I ended up investigating Redack again.

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Shadowwalked

Well on the bright side, you wouldn't have gotten anything new out of the Xhin investigation anyway. Since he's dead.

I'd recommend that the Sensor privately inform Shadowwalked of the results from yesterday's lynch, and have Shadow share it with the rest of us. That'd allow the Sensor to stay hidden for now*.

*Again, assuming that the Sensor is still alive.

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hezekiah

Poptart was shown to be innocent upon investigation, Redack was shown to be innocent upon investigation, and then Redack switched what happened with Xhin, so I ended up investigating Redack again.

Gah! Sorry.

In that case :/ I've not got any real suspicions other than an initial concern about Wild Luxray.

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Count Dooku

I have a suspicion but I'm going to wait a bit to see if we get any new info from our sensor or journalist. Assuming the sensor and journalist are still alive.

July 10, 2012
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#85

Still thinking about who is suspicious or not. This time I WONT vote right away I will have to wait and see.

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Teddy Son

Almost forgot one thing:

Redack - Poltergeist

How does once kill many ghosts?

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Teddy Son



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hezekiah

Guess it wasn't the arsonist's fault, then. Still an unfortunate night for us, though.

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White Thunder

Hez has good tastes in movies.

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Teddy Son

whoa, death!

I honestly don't know what to do until we get info from our journalist or sensor, assuming Kyon wasn't one of the two

July 10, 2012
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Vandy

So, results are in. According to my sources, there were three guilty parties that voted for 'Roxas' out of twelve. One would have been 'Roxas' (He voted for himself), and the other two are anybody's guess.

People who voted for 'Roxas'

Dragon in the Shadows

#85

Hezekiah

Redack (Known Innocent)

Vandy

'Roxas' (Known Mafia)

MajorasMask9

Wild Luxray

Kyon

Count Dooku

White Thunder

Helius

Black Yoshi (Changed his vote from not voting to 'Roxas')

white lancer stated round ended after White Thunder, therefor Helius vote wouldn't have been necessary (Explaining the vote being out of twelve instead of out of thirteen)

People who did NOT vote for 'Roxas'

Myself

Xhin (Known innocent, dead)

Marvalo (Known innocent, dead)

poptart! (Investigation at night showed innocence)

Zanic

Teddy Son

CtR Black

Jo Nathan

Trever Leingod

People dead at the time of voting: chiefsonney

Therefor:

Out of the twelve people who voted (Excluding Helius), two are guilty. The two guilty being narrowed down to this group:

Dragon in the Shadows

#85

Hezekiah

Black Yoshi

Vandy

MajorasMask9

Wild Luxray

Kyon

Count Dooku

White Thunder

As the others of this group of twelve have their identities already known, two of this group are guilty (Assuming this information is correct).

This shows three of the six possible Mafia.

For the non-voting group:

Zanic

Teddy Son

CtR Black

Jo Nathan

Trever Leingod

poptart! (Shown innocent during investigation, but god father is present so must be taken into account)

Three of these individuals would have to be mafia. Therefor, it is best that we explore the non-voting group first.

The strategy that I personally think we should use is to pick someone out of the non-voting group, and have the rest of the non-voting group vote for it, and see if we can gather more sensor information.

As for the validity of this sensor information, I'll be performing an investigation tonight on the claimed individual. If it shows innocence, it will be a good defense (But not perfect, as the god father is present). If this is false information, I suggest the real sensor contact me or role-claim with the real information asap. Furthermore, there lies the risk that the sensor was already killed, and that I've received false information since there is no way for the unknown janitor to claim. If this is the case, a round and an investigation should sort it out, but until then this is the most information we have to go on.

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Shadowwalked

I honestly don't know what to do until we get info from our journalist or sensor, assuming Kyon wasn't one of the two

I think its safe to assume that if we don't get a written report today, that kyon was the journalist. However, if the journalist is still alive, be sure to write an article even if you have no information, just so we know you're alive.

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Shadowwalked

ah man this private contacting takes some of the excitement out of the game

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CtR Black

I've always played in a scenario where private contacting existed, and it has lead to me trusting people as much as I'd trust a bag of snakes in games like this. But, until we have contradicting information, this is the best lead we have.

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Shadowwalked

Thanks to the (hopefully real) Sensor for the information. It's unfortunate how spaced-out you presented it... makes it harder to read.

Notably, 3/5 from the non-voting group are Guilty; if one is the Godfather, they show as Not Guilty.

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hezekiah

ah man this private contacting takes some of the excitement out of the game


I dunno, I think it's pretty neat. Leaves some mystery to who is who, and lets some things happen behind the scenes. Then there's the trust factor; we have to trust that shadowwalked's source is legitimate /and/ that shadowwalked himself is legitimate.

However, if the journalist is still alive, be sure to write an article even if you have no information, just so we know you're alive.


it's possible that our journalist is another inactive player. Morrigan was our journalist in game 7 and I think she forgot to write an article for one of the days. Could happen again, as I don't think Jo Nathan is actually playing, and there could be other players that have forgotten their responsibilities as well.

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Vandy

I honestly have no problem with the PMs. As Shadowwalked already pointed out, there's always the possibility that one of the mafia could have contacted him pretending to be the Sensor, which is a huge risk. It's also been a major factor in other mafia games I've played on other sites.

I was hoping white lancer could answer some questions about sensor results though:

-Does the godfather appear as guilty or innocent in the sensor results? I know in past games, Yeano stated that the Godfather would in fact appear guilty.

-The role description says that roles that would appear guilty to the cops that AREN'T mafia will show up as guilty in the sensor count. Just for clarification, this means that the Lunatic will show up as guilty as well, right?

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MajorasMask9

The suspicion I was going to name was Teddy Son. Day 1 he was overplaying the same, non threatening "I don't know what's going on" card he did the last time he was mafia.

It is just extra suspicion to me that he was in the non voting group.

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#85

I've been reading over Shadow's post, and looking at what how it fits in with what I've been thinking.

I'm seeing it as 2/10 from Dragon, #85, Vandy, Majora, Luxray, Kyon, Dooku, Thunder, Helius and Yoshi, and 2/5 from Zanic, Teddy, CtR, Jo and Trever. There are only 5 roles that show up as Guilty, one of whom was Roxas (under the assumption that the Journalist shows up as Not Guilty to the Cop and Sensor). As such, we're best off getting started on the non-voters.

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hezekiah

I do agree with Majora that more clarification is preferable to less. Also, I'm not finding where it was gave out his contact info (AIM or whatnot)... in case something comes up, I'd like to have a way to reach him.

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hezekiah

Also, I'm not finding where it was gave out his contact info (AIM or whatnot)... in case something comes up, I'd like to have a way to reach him.

In this, white lancer is the "he", and I accidentally a word.

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hezekiah

I now vote for 85. I do random voting in any game the fact that you think I am Mafia makes me think you are Mafia.

Then again no one pays attention to me so it only makes sense that you would not know I use random in every game that we had random.

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Teddy Son

Well why didn't you vote for Roxas after we confirmed it?

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#85

Jedi-Sith

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Teddy Son

I had to be there.

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Teddy Son

Obviously we shouldn't hit poptart first, there is a chance that he's the godfather but it's slim. So of those 5 probably 3 are guilty.

Obviously the Mafia would be hesitant to vote for Roxas. However, JN hasn't posted much (if at all) so a no vote makes sense there. I just looked at the last round and Zanic posted like 4 times right up to the journalist article and then was silent after that. It's certainly suspicious. My next most suspicion would be Teddy, as 85 said; that leaves CTR and Trever, could be either. In any case, Zanic is by far most suspicious to me right now.

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White Thunder

I noticed that you random vote Teddy :(..

If we're going to purge the non-voters as hezekiah brought up, I'd suggest we try to agree on some sort of order to minimize outside interference from the mafia, who could suggest we lynch innocents first and expect people to jump on board easily.

As in, we could agree to lynch in order of their numbers on the player list, or something similar that wouldn't just be hand-picked by players. We could also try to mix up the votes so the sensor could get more useful information. It'd be kind of hard to organize, but I think it'd be worth it. We still have a while in this day round, so I'd like to hear what people think.

I'm also going to wait and see if the Journalist posts anything worthwhile before I vote regardless.

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MajorasMask9

You argued your case well Majora, but why not try to talk it out? Voice WHY we think someone is suspicious. Certainly all non voters are on an equal suspicion level, but certain things can increase someones suspicion, so I think it is better to try to figure out who is the most suspicious of the non voters.

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#85

Wasn't exactly trying to argue a case as much as I was offering a suggestion. I guess it wouldn't matter too much considering how early we are in the game still, but I don't really like relying on instincts this early. It's gotten me in trouble in past games :)

Additionally, anyone can argue a case for themselves when there's no solid evidence against them. I could probably come up with a decent defense for every player in the "non-voter" category except for Jo Nathan since he hasn't posted. Right now, there's no "solid" evidence against any of the non-voters. Would still like to hear what other people think we should do, anyway.

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MajorasMask9

-Does the godfather appear as guilty or innocent in the sensor results? I know in past games, Yeano stated that the Godfather would in fact appear guilty.

-The role description says that roles that would appear guilty to the cops that AREN'T mafia will show up as guilty in the sensor count. Just for clarification, this means that the Lunatic will show up as guilty as well, right?

Both the Godfather and the Lunatic show up as Guilty.

And hezekiah, if you need to reach me my AIM SN is eht42retsam. :)

July 10, 2012
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white lancer

My suggestion is that, for sake of an investigation, we exclude poptart from the current non-voters, and have the five choose one among themselves, and then they all vote for him.

That way we have four voting for one, and our sensor can slim it down even further. If you're in the group that has already voted, I'd prefer it if you set it to 'not voting', so that the group we're investigating is as small as possible.

July 10, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Its possible that the lunatic is present in the 'voting' group, therefor bringing the total number of mafia in the non-voting group to four.

July 10, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Both the Godfather and the Lunatic show up as Guilty.


This means if we kill one of the non-voters, there's a 60% chance (3/5) that they're a guilty role (as long as we don't kill Shadowwalked and poptart!).

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MajorasMask9

My suggestion is that, for sake of an investigation, we exclude poptart from the current non-voters, and have the five choose one among themselves, and then they all vote for him.


My only problem with this is that 3 of the 5 are "Guilty". If they're all mafia-sided, then they'll just vote together to get an innocent person lynched.

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MajorasMask9

It puts the mafia in a bad position. If we see three of them obviously working together, the rest of us can mass in and gank one of them. If they act separately, one of them gets lynched. We get sensor information regardless.

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Shadowwalked

gonna hold off on my vote for now...I have other suspicions, but none of them are quite that solid yet. But since Shadow has his doubts about my innocence I openly invite him to investigate me during the night round. I have nothing to hide. I'll make some decalf coffee and get some doughnuts.

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Dragon in the Shadows

But, with that said, I think its best to give the floor to the five in question, so that they can voice their ideas for who among them they shall vote for. It is preferential that there is no input from the 'voted' group until a conclusion is reached by the five, so that we can gather the purest information from them.

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Shadowwalked

But since Shadow has his doubts about my innocence I openly invite him to investigate me during the night round.

Its not that I have doubts of your innocence, its that you fall into a group where two guilty members are present.

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Shadowwalked

Sorry guys. I've had a really busy summer. I know that's really no excuse.

Anyway, me not posting after the journalist's article was just a coincidence. Had I seen it, I would have loved to voice my opinion. Regardless, I see the sensor finally gave us some worthwhile information. I'm going to vote for Teddy as I'm getting tired of his routine excuse. He should know how to play the game by now.

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Zanic

That is just the first thing I start off in every single round as in the first round there is nothing else to guess by.

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Teddy Son

Oh yeah and I fucking quit. I am the sensor. If the Shitty people from Pointless are gonna be in Jedi-Sith and ruin it then I am not deal with you. You can kiss my ass.

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Teddy Son

Its not that I have doubts of your innocence, its that you fall into a group where two guilty members are present.


Well, the offer still stands. My only current suspicion is Dooku. I've had it since day one, but just not sure if it is enough. It was in part due to the Sensor/Govenor strategy.

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Dragon in the Shadows

As others have said, Shadowwalked's idea of having the five decide amongst themselves is a bad one, because the mafia could subtly gang up.

My vote went to (and stays with) CtR Black based on his reaction to Shadowwalked posting the Sensor's information.

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hezekiah

Oh yeah and I fucking quit. I am the sensor.

Teddy is indeed the person who claimed sensor, and told me the information I had. Therefor, we have Zanic who voted for Teddy, as well as #85. Since #85 voted before it was requested that people of the group that already voted didn't voice a vote opinion, there is a possibility there is no correlation. However, it cannot be dismissed that #85 tried to lean votes towards Teddy to begin with.

Still, we've cut the group down to four, with three being mafia (if Teddy's claim is true). If the lunatic is present in that group, we've just weeded out four guilty roles, while the other two still hide among the 'voted' group.

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Shadowwalked

As others have said, Shadowwalked's idea of having the five decide amongst themselves is a bad one, because the mafia could subtly gang up.

Except I didn't make it known that the sensor was part of the non-voting group. The original plan was to wait for them to start grouping on Teddy, and once I had my suspects, declare what Teddy was. If Teddy wasn't the targeted one, the lunatic would have likely been killed and we'd still get sensor information.

Of course, Teddy getting frustrated and admitting his role early does put a damper on my plan, but we've still got the group down to four.

July 11, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Yeah I figured with a little pressure he would snap and admit if he was hiding something. Didn't expect sensor, though.

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#85

Sorry -- should get on more often, I know, but I've been out bumming all day. Anyway, I'm starting to build some suspicions of my own here.
Poptart has never been very talkative in these games, but in three rounds he has yet to say anything. Even I'm more talkative than that. That he showed up innocent under investigation leads me to believe that he may be Mafia, since the last time he was a Townie he made an effort to at least post once or twice in each round.

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Black Yoshi

Appealing to White Thunder, I don't really see how your suspicion applies to me when I had nothing to do with the Journalist's article.

And Teddy came out and said that he was sensor? This worries me because he just made himself a target for the mafia. Although it would be easy to role claim like that, we can't make mistakes risking our sensor. Therefore I withdraw my vote.

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Zanic

^same. Been out all day. Looks like I missed the shit hitting the fan.

Anyway, I'm on board Dooku's plan. I'm suppose to No Kill since I was in the voting group, right?

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Wild Luxray

Anyway, I'm on board Dooku's plan. I'm suppose to No Kill since I was in the voting group, right?

That's my preferred plan, unless there is an alternative plan that someone can come up with. By the 'voting' group not voting this round, even if we lose a townie (or possibly, a lunatic), it'll still give me time to do my investigations (on the 'voting group'), while we deduce who is guilty in the non-voted group.

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Shadowwalked

have a vague idea of your plan, but I don't think it'll work if Teddy gets hit by the mafia. And it is a bit dependant on the actual mafia members voting for a kill. Since I'm not quite sure of my list of suspects I will vote for the one option I have.

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Dragon in the Shadows

Also, we need to be very careful. It seems as if accusations are being thrown around as if it was day 2. Need I remind you that we just lost 4 town members(seeing as the mafia probably wouldn't kill their own member). This means the mafia are outwitting us. We need to take a look at some of the people that aren't very active. Even if they aren't mafia, what good are they doing us?

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Zanic

but Xhin hadn't posted at all in the previous rounds and he was town sided. At this point activity or lack thereof is not evidence of guilt.

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Dragon in the Shadows

I don't think being quiet makes someone automatically Mafia. As Dragon said, neither Xhin or Marv seemed to even be playing.

That being said, Zanic isn't entirly wrong. Since Jo Nathan isn't playing, he might be the best choice to sacrifice since he isn't playing(unless he is doing what Morrigan did last game). Someone who doesn't play doesn't give imput.

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Wild Luxray

could be that Jo Nathan forgot he signed up. I don't remember him playing in any of the other games and that seems like something a novice player might do. Or he might not have internet access. Has anyone seen him post recently?

just don't like killing off a townie for no reason.

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Dragon in the Shadows

up my blue again.

{:(}

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Dragon in the Shadows

That being said, Zanic isn't entirly wrong. Since Jo Nathan isn't playing, he might be the best choice to sacrifice since he isn't playing(unless he is doing what Morrigan did last game). Someone who doesn't play doesn't give imput.

Then, of the four:

Zanic

Jo Nathan

CtR Black

Trever Leingod

We have the three vote off Jo. If he's shown to be a townie, we can lynch off the three. If he's shown to be a Mafia, we repeat. If all four are eliminated and there is still an unaccounted Mafia, then we can deduce that poptart! is the god father.

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Shadowwalked

And if Jo is just a townie, the inactivity results in him not being much of a loss anywho.

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Shadowwalked

that is what you guys think is the best course of action. I will maintain my no kill vote for now...Just in case Teddy makes it to the next round.

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Dragon in the Shadows

How are you so certain he is innocent? I never said that he COULDN'T be guilty.

He has just as much chance being guilty as anybody else on the list, minus Poptart.

I just said that it's better to lose somebody inactive then sombody contributing. Then again, I suppose a person who doesn't talk can't incriminate themself.

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Wild Luxray

so...

Zanic
Trever Leingod
CtR Black
Teddy Son (claims sensor)
Jo Nathan (assumed inactive)
poptart (checked as innocent)

although poptart could be godfather it is unlikely

after reading through the past posts, I'm leaning towards Zanic. He was pushing for a kill on Day 1; in response to Dooku's original plan he said this:

Well, that means we'll have to kill someone, but I think it'd be worth it.


and then..

Now we have to figure out who we're going to lynch. So far we have two offering themselves.


it's not much, but show me what other leads we have. Sorry Zanic I hope we can still be best friends

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Vandy

about Jo Nathan

I think he joined in response to a post I made in the video games forum. He's not a really active user, and I'm (only) assuming that he signed up and then forgot about it.

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Vandy

also, to add to my original post about Zanic, he is now trying to turn our attention towards other members

just saying..

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Vandy

agree with Vandy. Zanic has been pointing the perverbial finger at a lot of people this round.

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Dragon in the Shadows

If both the cop and sensor have revealed, it's safe to assume we're going to lose one during the night round. The doctor (if he's alive) can only protect one of them, and the poltergeist isn't around to help the other.

Based on the Sensor's information in Shadowwalked's post, we have a reasonably good chance to kill some mafia by lynching the non-voting group. I would recommend the arsonist picks another non-voter to torch during the night, and the journalist stakes out a third non-voter. This will give us maximum chance to weed out the mafia.

That said, the lack of a journalist article so long into the day round probably indicates the worst for our friend in the news business.

The following non-voters should cast a vote toward Zanic. If the sensor survives the night, we'll get some excellent information.

Trever Leingod, CtR Black, Teddy Son, Jo Nathan,
poptart

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Count Dooku

let's try out that thing then

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CtR Black

If we're agreeing on voting for Zanic, I'll opt to stay off of the Zanic vote pool so we can mix up the sensor results a bit if you guys want. Right now it seems like mostly the same people who voted for Roxas last round are voting for Zanic this round, meaning we'd probably just get the same results.

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MajorasMask9

Actually, how exactly are we dealing with the sensor? I think the results would still be as confusing unless we get all of the people who voted for Roxas before to still vote for Roxas, along with a few people who didn't vote for Roxas. If the ratio changes, then that would either clear the small group of non-voters that came over our confirm one of them was guilty. If that makes sense I SUCK AT EXPLAINING :(

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MajorasMask9

I think the results would still be as confusing unless we get all of the people who voted for Roxas before to still vote for Zanic, along with a few people who didn't vote for Roxas


fixed

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MajorasMask9

yes that would be ideal, but I doubt everyone will check this post and agree to vote for Zanic

so far these have voted for Zanic:

me
White Thunder
Count Dooku
#85
CtR Black

all who also voted for Roxas except for CtR, so the ratio is already changed

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Vandy

this point I recomend those who voted for Roxas and decided not to vote for Zanic vote Not Voting. It will lower the required number of votes and thus limit the number of people who will have voted for both...Better results for the sensor.

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Dragon in the Shadows

Actually I don't want to make it to the next round if I have to be with people who bother us on JS.

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Teddy Son

Well apparently white lancer is considering Not Voting as retracting any vote you may have put, and not abstaining from voting. I asked him earlier, and that's what he told me. That would seem to imply that the Double-Voter was one of the 13 who voted for Roxas during the last round.

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hezekiah

is stupid. In that case it is the same as No Kill...Kinda.

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Dragon in the Shadows

Woah. What's going on? So everyone just agrees to vote me off?

To defend myself against what you said Vandy, it was Dooku's plan which I liked which would give us good information. It's better than what we always do on day 1 which is nothing.

I know this sounds really cheesy, but the mafia are playing you. I was merely doing what Dragon did last round by pointing out things that people have done that are suspicious. I don't see why that's reason to lynch me.

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Zanic

no you weren't. My playing style has improved over the last two games. I don't just point out things anymore. I wait until I have enough info and then expose what I have. Until then I hold off on my vote. And I haven't been changing my vote unless it is to no kill or no vote.

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Dragon in the Shadows

how are the mafia playing anyone?

the sensor gave us the info and we are now using it to narrow down who is what. Unless Teddy is lying and is actually with the mafia, mafia have had no influence on who we're lynching.

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Vandy

I've been doing the same thing as you Dragon. And I've been playing for nearly twice as long.

And why choose me Vandy? You have no clear evidence against me. Killing off another townsperson is a stupid idea. Especially considering we just lost 4 people. I'm just saying that we need to be careful with who we vote off. Poptart was completely quiet a few games ago and it turns out he was a part of the cult. Don't you think that it's possible that he be mafia this game? More specific, the godfather?

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Zanic

is how I reveal the info that I think is important and might influence the game:

We need to take a look at some of the people that aren't very active. Even if they aren't mafia, what good are they doing us? Tuesday, Jul 10, 2012 -- 8:36pm


that not only do I quote the person I suspect, but I also quote the date and time.

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Dragon in the Shadows

What do the date and time have to do with anything? And I understand what you're getting at. I also understand that you're not being very humble either. {:P}

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Zanic

and time help the other players locate the reply in question so they can see that I did not edit it in any way.

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Dragon in the Shadows

That's not a bad idea. I just hope you realize that if you have me lynched, everyone should realize that you and Vandy are mafia. Because I know you are.

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Zanic

it! Screwed up my blue again. Guess I'm too tired...Probably should get some sleep.

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Dragon in the Shadows

I'm just a townie. But if you do get lynched and are proved to be a member of the mafia...

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Dragon in the Shadows

how do you know such information? and why would you be holding out on telling everyone until now?

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Vandy

pretty clear that he is feeling the noose tightening and he wants to divert the accusations to some one else.

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Dragon in the Shadows

Re the Not Voting thing: it's impossible to say for sure until Yeano gets back, but I'm pretty confident it was only installed as a means of retracting one's vote (because otherwise a retraction wouldn't be possible). As far as I can remember, the needed votes (amounting to 60%) that Yeano has tallied have always remained fixed no matter how many people have voted Not Voting.

The other thing that makes me think Not Voting was never intended to remove you from the voting pool is that there would have been no way to do that in early games before the voting system was installed, and it wouldn't make sense to implement a new twist to the voting system like that without making some sort of announcement about it. Regardless, in this particular game selecting 'Not Voting' will be regarded as if you had never voted at all, as I wouldn't want to change this game's system mid-game even if I wound up being wrong.

Carry on! ^^

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white lancer

Interesting stuff. Though I don't like how I was taken out of the suspicious category. It's not safe to assume anyone is whom they claim to be.

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Helius

It's not that I know. I just get the feeling. The way you two are trying to divert votes to me. It's unnatural.

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Zanic

As far as Zanic goes, my suspicion holds, but I wasn't intending necessarily for everyone to jump on that bandwagon, only to make it official that he was my top suspect. But if you all agree then we can proceed. There's a relatively good chance that we hit the Mafia if we stick to those 5, anyway.

I'm worried about him being innocent and you all assuming I'm Mafia because I was the first to suspect him {:P} which is why I'm saying, though I'm holding my vote, I have no surety as to his guilt.

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White Thunder

I'm not sure by any means

but he is my best candidate

we (think we) know that there are three mafia members in that group of people. So if it's not him it's one of the others.

I'm worried about him being innocent and you all assuming I'm Mafia


same, but I'd totally understand if the town comes after me if Zanic is innocent; I'd certainly raise an eyebrow. Though I would hope they would stick to the aforementioned five so we could get the three mafia

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Vandy

I am innocent and you are all making a big mistake. {:?}

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Zanic

honestly it wouldn't be that big of a mistake. You were all for Dooku's original plan of townies sacrificing themselves anyway.

if you're innocent then it will be narrowed down to 3 out of 4

if we lynched another townie after that, then I would start to doubt the legitimacy of Teddy's sensor info

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Vandy

That was back when we had everyone. Now we're down quite a few people. My death may not be big now, but it will be in a few turns when the mafia wipe out all of the big thinkers. Just think of what you're doing.

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Zanic

I am telling you guys that I don't want to play anymore even if I am right or wrong.

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Teddy Son

But we need you Teddy.{:(}

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Zanic

If Zanic's guilty, I know what my next move will be. If he's not, I still know. Either way, I'm going to leave my vote on CtR, so we can possibly get some new sensor data.

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hezekiah

I got a few hours of sleep and a few sips of coffee. Zanic, do remember what Roxas said after he revealed his role:

If there is any group that can fly through this game, it is you. Best of luck taking them out and winning. - Monday, Jul 9, 2012 -- 12:03pm


at the time I thought it could have either been a hint or a bluff. It could still be either one. But as you said the mafia got us good during the last night round which does inforce the claim. For the same reason you said to look closely at the inactive players, I've been watching the ones with more experience. I doubt all the remaining mafia members are really skilled, but they have to have atleast two.

this point the lack of a News Article leads me to believe one of our lost townies was the Journalist, which I assume was Kyon.

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Dragon in the Shadows

The Journalist is a dangerous role to have to play... in order to protect yourself, you really need to mask your writing style.

Sensor, please pass the results you get from today's lynch to Shadowwalked as soon as you find them out, in case you get killed tonight.

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hezekiah

work that way. The Sensor gets info after voting has occured...At night. If Teddy gets anything the earliest he could post it is the next day round. I hate to say this, but we might have to play like he's already gone.

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Dragon in the Shadows

Well why didn't you vote for Roxas after we confirmed it?

Just saying for myself, it happened the same day the crap hit the fan on Jedi Sith, so I spent basically the entire day online handling what happened over there.

Also, just something to throw out there.

I really don't think Dooku is Mafia because of his Governor/Sensor plan. It was actually a very good idea to begin with, although risky. If nothing else, it was to get some decent Mafia information out on Day 1, something we always sorely lack on Day 1. So I really wouldn't count on him being Mafia - why would the Mafia try to get information against themselves?

Not voting for now...

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Trever Leingod

Wow...Teddy was the Sensor? Well, I hate to say it but he just about screwed himself over by revealing like that -- even if he doesn't want to play anymore, without the Sensor, the Mafia have us cooked.

That said, everyone seems to be voting for Zanic, but I'm getting conflicting information here -- someone saying to vote for him, someone else saying not to vote/to keep my vote on Poptart to give the Sensor more information...might as well stick with Poptart. Last time he was Cult or Mafia he was quiet for the whole game, and this game he's been even quieter than that.

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Black Yoshi

I don't think Teddy would just not give us his Sensor information again if he is the Sensor, even if he isn't playing.

I've been trying to math out the best way to split votes for the Sensor to get the most information, but it's a bit of a headache. The thing about the Sensor is that with an Executioner still in play, they could just choose to execute a person before we get at the most informative vote count. Ideally we should have a larger group of people voting for our lynch target and a much smaller group not vote for them, but the Executioner could just step in and cut off the Sensor results early, or whenever it would benefit the mafia.

I agree that Kyon was most likely the Journalist. The Journalist wouldn't have any reason to not write an article, and it looks like all of the players who've been active in past rounds have shown that they're active this round. Chiefsonny would have had to have been either the Doctor, Governor, or vanilla Townie, because every other power role is either dead, accounted for, or still using their powers. It is most likely that he's a vanilla Townie just due to the large number of them this game.

I think in terms of suspicions, I'm finding Zanic and #85 most suspicious in the "didn't vote for Roxas" list. There'd still be a third guilty person on that side, though, so I'm still thinking it through. Nothing else to add right now!

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MajorasMask9

came to the same conclusions. However I think Chief was not just a plain old townie. He must have had a power role. Otherwise why would the Janitor had hidden the body? I'm thinking either Govenor or Doctor...Most likely the Doctor since no one has been saved during any of the mafia hits. And I agree that #85 and Zanic are most likely mafia members. I have one other suspect, but not enough info to say so with certainty.

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Dragon in the Shadows

However I think Chief was not just a plain old townie. He must have had a power role. Otherwise why would the Janitor had hidden the body?


I'm pretty sure the Janitor chooses whose body to hide before they find out the role of the person they killed, so they wouldn't have been aware of chief's role when they made that decision. That's how it's worked in other games, anyway! Kyon would be proof of that, because there'd be no point in hiding the Journalist's body since we'd all figure out he was the Journalist once no news article was posted, yet they did it anyway.

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MajorasMask9

true. But I still think he was the Doctor.

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Dragon in the Shadows

I believe that it's much more logical for the Executioner to only be able to target people who aren't lynched by the town. Thinking about the "flavor" of the role, it seems like that'd be the more reasonable way for it to work. As in, the Executioner could say at 6 votes that he wants to kill Zanic, but that would be overridden by the town lynching him.

As for Teddy sharing his data, I'm saying he should IM it to Shadowwalked once he receives it. As long as it's still the night round (and he's not yet dead), there's nothing preventing him from doing so.

Thirdly, I think a good way to approach this day's lynch would be to only have a subset of yesterday's voters vote for our lynchee, with the rest not voting. That, coupled with yesterday's information, would essentially give us 3 blocks of people. For the sake of argument, let's just say the first four of Shadow's list are the ones that vote. That'd give us:
1: Zanic, Teddy, CtR, Jo, poptart and Trever. 3/6 are guilty.
2: Dragon in the Shadows, #85, Hezekiah, Vandy. 2/4, 1/4 or 0/4 are guilty.
3: MajorasMask9, Wild Luxray, Count Dooku, White Thunder, Helius, Black Yoshi. 0/6, 1/6 or 2/6 are guilty.

Splitting unevenly gives us the most information, as it'll get harder for the mafia to blend in; with groups 2 and 3 having 5 people, they'd be wisest to simply put one in each. Split unevenly like this, the ratios are harder for them to hide in.

If people don't like simply splitting based on Shadowwalked's order, we could use an RNG to decide it. It may also be preferable to split it 7/3 instead of 6/4, but I haven't finished thinking about that yet.

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hezekiah

question that comes to mind with strategies like that one is can we pull it off without the Sensor? Remember Teddy revealed and will be a good target for the mafia. And even if he doesn't get killed in the night round he wants out.

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Dragon in the Shadows

My original idea was that we get all of the people who voted for Roxas to stay on a vote for Zanic, and have two of the five in question (Helius, CtR, Zanic, Jo Nathan, Trever) to vote along with that group. Best case scenario, the two that switched over would show up guilty, and the two that stayed (aside from Zanic) would then be innocent, or vice versa.

The problem with that is the Executioner could just cut the votes short, since they'd only need 1/3 of the votes to execute someone before the lynching. The idea of the Executioner being able to end the vote count early seems a bit silly anyway, since the Sensor is just getting vote-related information, and regardless of the execution the votes are still in. Eh!

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MajorasMask9

about the janitor hiding bodies..

MajorasMask is correct. The janitor simply hides the body that the mafia agrees to lynch without for sure knowing what that person's role is. The mafia are told the next day what their victim's role was. I know this from game 7

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Vandy

Majora, that's problematic: the round terminates as soon as the required number of votes has been reached, so not everybody would be able to vote. That's why I want to split the group that voted last time.

As for the Janitor, it doesn't even have to be somebody that the mafia kills at night... they could've hid Xhin's body if they wanted, or Redack's or Marvalo's. Hell, they could've hid mine.

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hezekiah

So, we agree that if we voted for Roxas last round to vote for Zanic now?

In that case, let's have the Arsonist go after Poptart -- I still have my suspicions about him. If not, we'll lynch him next round. I just can't see why you guys are so against lynching him when his relative silence this game (without a Silencer in play) indicates he's some special role, particularly something not Town-sided, namely the Mafia, and his innocence upon investigation leads me to believe he's the Godfather.

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Black Yoshi

I've always been confused by that aspect. On other sites, the round ended when everyone came to a consensus and the host deemed it that the round wouldn't progress any further. That's why "Hammer-Voting" became an optional rule to start with: it made it so once the vote hit the majority, there's no turning back. That's exactly what we're doing now, despite Hammer-Voting only having been on in one game on gtx0 IIRC. I blame Yeano.

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MajorasMask9

^ That post was replying to hezekiah

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MajorasMask9

All these statistics are giving me a headache. Someone please tell me what my vote should be.

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Wild Luxray

Based on the post I made a while back, you should vote for Zanic. However, the current votes don't match with my suggestion, so it's not a guarantee things will play out as I suggested. Notable is that all 5 current votes for Zanic are from people who voted for Roxas yesterday. I'll be satisfied as long as we end up with 6 of 7 of yesterday's voters (and nobody else!) voting for Roxas, but would prefer to have those voters be defined arbitrarily, so as to disallow the mafia members from easily hiding in the numbers.

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hezekiah

Majora, "hammer voting" is a simple majority, 50.01%. Current rules require 60% to end the round.

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hezekiah

So who in the world do I vote for? Your back and forth is hard for me to follow.

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Helius

Notable is that all 5 current votes for Zanic are from people who voted for Roxas yesterday.


4 out of the 5 previously voted for Roxas

CtR Black was one of the non-voters

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Vandy

My mistake. Good catch, Vandy.

If you're on this list, vote for Zanic. If you're not, vote for Not Voting.
  • Vandy
  • MajorasMask9
  • Wild Luxray
  • Count Dooku
  • White Thunder
  • Helius
  • Black Yoshi

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    hezekiah

    Fair enough. My suspicions about Poptart still stand, however; we'll talk more about that next round.

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    Black Yoshi

    Let's go

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    #85

    Sounds good.

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    MajorasMask9

    LONG VERSION
    It occurs to me that this could lead to a very long day round... without the 11 votes for Zanic, the round would stretch the full 72 hours. I'd hope that lancer would be open to terminating the round early if enough people "lock in" their votes. That would mean that, with 7 votes for Zanic, there could only be 4 outstanding votes (11*.6<7). There are currently 17 people alive, meaning that a total of 13 people would need to verify their votes. 6 would therefore need to be Not Votings needing to confirm their intent to stay as such.

    SHORT VERSION
    Cast your vote as in my previous post, and confirm to white lancer that you don't plan to change it. Vandy, MajorasMask9, Wild Luxray, Count Dooku, White Thunder, Helius and Black Yoshi should vote for Zanic, everybody else should vote for Not Voting.

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    hezekiah

    Well if you are "not voting" I think your vote is removed from the voting pool and it re adjusts how many you need to get a hanging, doesn't it?

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    #85

    I agree that Kyon was most likely the Journalist. The Journalist wouldn't have any reason to not write an article, and it looks like all of the players who've been active in past rounds have shown that they're active this round.

    While the last Journalist we had declined to write an article if they failed to garner any useful information, the current game's journalist seemed to just want to post something to prove they were alive or perhaps just for kicks. So I agree, Kyon was very likely the Journalist.

    Chiefsonny would have had to have been either the Doctor, Governor, or vanilla Townie, because every other power role is either dead, accounted for, or still using their powers. It is most likely that he's a vanilla Townie just due to the large number of them this game.

    If chiefsonny was the doctor, the Mafia would know the doctor was dead and would have taken a shot at Shadowwalked by now, eliminating one of their most threatening enemies. So we may as well scratch the idea he was the doctor at all.

    Also, about #85. I have seen him be Mafia in two games so far, and his behavior was significantly different than it is now. He's much more chatty, deflective, and a little less prone to change his mind about who to point fingers (he just switched from Teddy to Zanic after some due reasoning).

    The only reason I can see that Zanic is suspect, is because like me, he didn't vote for Roxas. Maybe he was also distracted by the hurricane on Jedi Sith? He's a member there too. Doesn't automatically write him off, but it doesn't automatically make him guilty either.

    Also, not voting, as requested.

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    Trever Leingod

    #85: white lancer has stated that he's running this game as if Not Voting is rescinding your vote. So regardless of if 10 people go with Not Voting, it would still require 11 people to vote to lynch somebody in order to end the round early. That's why I want people to confirm their votes, so lancer could possibly consider them "locked in" and end the round when it's not possible for the people not "locked in" to change the outcome.

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    hezekiah

    current plan of action seems pretty good. Not sure if my last vote was No Kill or Not Voting. I think it was Not Voting, but just to make sure...

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    Dragon in the Shadows

    got ya.

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    #85

    And thanks trever, my hero.

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    #85

    Trever, to give you a quick explanation: the Sensor was told 3 guilty people voted for Roxas. We then know that 3 guilty people didn't vote for Roxas. There are only 6 people left alive who didn't vote for him, which gives us something around a 50% chance of hitting a Mafia member. Zanic was one of those 6.

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    hezekiah

    I still don't see what makes me more suspicious than any of the others that didn't vote for Roxas. You guys all seem set in your plan to lynch me but have failed to tell me why you want me dead. I've been trying to help this round and this is what I get. Fine. Go ahead and lynch a townie. That just puts you one step closer to losing{:(}

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    Zanic

    me make sure I got this right. The last round 3 guilty roles voted for Roxas including Roxas blah blah blah. But in the group who did, 6 total, there were 3 guilty roles. Thus 50% chance of any given person within that group is guilty. If we are right it becomes 40% and if we are wrong it becomes 60%.

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    Dragon in the Shadows

    Well the plan sounds good enough for me.

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    poptart!
     

    And thanks trever, my hero.

    Welcome {:P}

    Trever, to give you a quick explanation: the Sensor was told 3 guilty people voted for Roxas. We then know that 3 guilty people didn't vote for Roxas. There are only 6 people left alive who didn't vote for him, which gives us something around a 50% chance of hitting a Mafia member. Zanic was one of those 6.

    Oh no worry, I understand that entirely. Just saying, other than the fact he's among those 6, he hasn't really done anything suspicious.

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    Trever Leingod

    Also, if Zanic really is a townie, then wouldn't that mean that Trever, CtR Black, and Jo Nathan are all mafia?

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    poptart!
     

    just did some quick math on the first (roxas) group and there is only a 30% chance any given player is guilty. Mathmatically speaking focusing on the second (did not vote for roxas) group will probably give us the best results. Now that I'm done stating the obvious I gotta go mow the lawn.

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    Dragon in the Shadows

    It's certainly a possibility, poptart. Could also be that Teddy's faking sensor or you're the Godfather, however.

    Dragon: looks like you accidentally a word, but you seem to understand it well enough. The group of people who didn't vote for Roxas was bigger than 6, but a handful of them were removed from the pool of suspects, be it due to death (Xhin, Marvalo) or alleged cop (Shadowwalked). We also have 2 more presumed innocents (Teddy as Sensor, Poptart via Cop), leaving 4 people (Zanic, Jo Nathan, CtR Black, Trever) for 3 Guilty slots.

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    hezekiah

    Who's to say poptart isnt the godfather? Have we just completely thrown that idea in the trash? Just because someone receives an innocent verdict, does not mean that we have any right to trust them.

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    Zanic

    Listen guys how times to I have to tell you? I want to be host killed. I am bored right now and I don't want to play.

    Plus if those from Pointless and other forums are bothering JS that just pisses me off. So Say what you will about me I just don't feel like playing.

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    Teddy Son

    Forgot that those guys died. In that case if we are wrong we still will out 3 mafia members. And Zanic has a valid point. The Godfather is still in play and won't show up as guilty.

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    Dragon in the Shadows

    Dragon: white lancer stated in reply 1341959365 that the Godfather shows up as Guilty to the sensor.

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    hezekiah

    If you no longer want to play, don't wait for a host kill. Just stop playing. Since you revealed yourself as the sensor there is a strong possibility that the mafia will try to get rid of you soon anyway.

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    Dragon in the Shadows

    In reply to Hez:

    He shows as guilty to the sensor, but Shadow investigated him and he came up as innocent. So there's a possibility that he's the godfather.

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    Zanic

    Right, I'm well aware of that.

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    hezekiah

    Ok. Just making that clear.

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    Zanic

    poptart could very well be the Godfather, it's just that the cop investigation means he's less likely to be Mafia than the rest, that's all.

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    White Thunder

    I realize that. I'm just pointing it out that just because he came up as innocent, that's no reason to think that he couldn't be the godfather.

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    Zanic

    Now's as good a time as any to remind anybody with a killing night action (Arsonist, Lunatic) to focus on the previously mentioned set of people who didn't vote for Roxas last round. We should figure out who their best targets should be, so that they don't both target the same person.

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    hezekiah

    Voting for Zanic as requested and will not change my vote.

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    Helius

    If you're on this list, vote for Zanic. If you're not, vote for Not Voting.

    Alrighty then

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    Shadowwalked

    Current votes for Zanic:
    Count Dooku
    Vandy
    Black Yoshi
    Helius
    White Thunder
    CtR Black
    MajorasMask9


    Wild Luxray hasn't yet voted for Zanic in the round, and CtR Black should change to Not Voting. Then we'll just have to convince white lancer to end the round.

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    hezekiah

    disagree. CtR should keep his vote as it is. With this group there should be 3 guilty. If CtR is innocent then it will show up in the sensor's report, if he chooses to report and/or doesn't die. Then we know for sure that the others are guilty. If we have an additional guilty then we know CtR is in the mafia. But that will only work if he is the only one from the second group.

    July 11, 2012
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    Dragon in the Shadows

    Dragon, the goal here is for people who voted for Roxas to vote for Zanic. We've got 2 mafia members in the Voting group, and 0-2 of them will be voting for Zanic. CtR was not in the Voting group last round, so he would end up skewing the data. Of course, as one of the Suspicious Four, I'd suggest that either the Arsonist or Lunatic targets CtR tonight.

    July 11, 2012
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    hezekiah

    ok i wont mess up your data

    July 11, 2012
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    July 11, 2012
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    CtR Black

    I thought the idea was to get everyone who voted for Roxas to also vote for Zanic, along with a few of the people who didn't vote?

    if only people who voted for Roxas vote for Zanic, won't the results be the same?

    July 12, 2012
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    Vandy

    be exactly the same. No new data, just one less mafia member or three mafia members exposed.

    July 12, 2012
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    Dragon in the Shadows

    I'm content for now to try and narrow down the larger group, given that we've got a good theory based on yesterday's no vote group. It's simply not possible to have everybody who voted for Roxas now vote for Zanic, because there are fewer people alive. That'd make the round end sooner, before everybody who's "supposed" to vote manages to. Doing it this way, we're able to gather new information about a group we didn't know much about before.

    July 12, 2012
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    hezekiah

    Basically I'm trying to turn a 2/10 chance into a 0/3 and 2/7, 1/3 and 1/7, or (ideally) 2/3 and 0/7.

    July 12, 2012
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    hezekiah

    i dont see the point in having the same group vote again. we're just doing the same thing as last round, but the mafia will have another death tonight. sounds like stalling

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    CtR Black

    "Now's as good a time as any to remind anybody with a killing night action (Arsonist, Lunatic) to focus on the previously mentioned set of people who didn't vote for Roxas last round. We should figure out who their best targets should be, so that they don't both target the same person."

    Don't fuck this up, you two.

    July 12, 2012
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    poptart!
     

    Sorry, was mad busy again today and will be again tomorrow.

    As requested, I vote for Zanic(can't use the voting system on mobile).

    July 12, 2012
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    Wild Luxray

    we wait and see if Lancer is willing to end the round 4 votes early.

    July 12, 2012
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    Dragon in the Shadows

    There don't appear to be any objections to ending the round early, so here goes!

    After poring over the results of the Sensor data, the Town decides to take a chance, and after a few members voice suspicion of him Zanic is chosen as the target. After the Town gives him an appropriately gruesome death, they discover that the kingpin of the Mafia, the Godfather, has been eliminated.

    Night 3


    1. Redack - Poltergeist
    2. Vandy
    3. Dragon in the Shadows
    4. White Thunder
    5. `Roxas` - Hooker
    6. MajorasMask9
    7. Trever Leingod
    8. Black Yoshi
    9. CtR Black
    10. Jo Nathan
    11. chiefsonny - ???
    12. Helius
    13. Teddy Son
    14. hezekiah
    15. Count Dooku
    16. Kyon - ???
    17. Xhin - Lover
    18. #85
    19. Marvalo - Lover
    20. Wild Luxray
    21. poptart!
    22. Zanic - Godfather
    23. Shadowwalked

    Starting Mafia-Town-Other Ratio: 6-16-1

    24 hours to get your night actions in!

    Also, I will have an announcement to make dealing with this game soon...hopefully. Shouldn't affect night actions, though, so get those in ASAP.

    July 12, 2012
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    white lancer

    Reply to: game 8 thread 3 night 3the town sleeps soundly

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