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game 9 thread 1 night 0 the town has insomnia

Posted July 14, 2012 by Xhin

Night 0

Welcome to Game 9! Here's the roster:

1. Zanic
2. chiefsonny
3. MajorasMask9
4. Shadowwalked
5. Redack
6. Kyon
7. CtR Black
8. #85
9. hezekiah
10. `Roxas`
11. Dragon in the Shadows
12. Helius
13. White Thunder
14. Teskein
15. Trever Leingod
16. Wild Luxray
17. Black Yoshi
18. Count Dooku
19. poptart!
20. Vandy
21. white lancer

This game, as I've said, is a little different than previous mafia games. Let's check the ratio first:

Starting Mafia-Town Ratio: 4-17

Mafia Roles: Godfather, Trickster, Mafioso x2
Town Roles: Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Psychiatrist, Social Worker, Townie
Townie Colors: Green Townie, Red Townie, Yellow Townie, Rogue Townie, Black Townie

New Roles

First of all, let's look at the new roles (I'll cover the townie colors next):

The Trickster acts exactly like the Silencer of previous Mafia games. The difference is that, instead of silencing a specific person, they silence a specific role. This is a very powerful role, because unless some of the Town also voluntarily silences themselves, the Mafia know who they can kill next. The Mafia could also use it to pretend to be that special role for one round. There can only be one Trickster per game. When they die, their role becomes the Mafia Investigator for reasons of balance.

The Social Worker is a second Psychiatrist, so can talk in the Psychiatrist thread with the other one. They can investigate one person per night. If that person is insane or a rogue townie, the social worker will be told that they "have something to hide". If that person is the Trickster, the Social Worker will be told that they are "extremely manipulative and dangerous". Otherwise the Social Worker will get the result of "Neurotypical".

The Mad Scientist is a third-party role. They exist only if the Black Townie dies. Every night round, they can choose to "conduct surgery" on a Red or Green townie. Doing so will turn that player into a random dead role, and the Mad Scientist will get +2 points (win points, not game points). In addition, they will have a list of people they have conducted surgery on, but will not know who they are (though they'll probably know what role they are unless a bunch of people die every round). They may then choose to make one person in that list insane.

Townie Colors

First of all, unlike previous games, every townie has a specific color. Red townies and Green townies don't know their color, so will see themselves only as "Townie". The first new mechanism of the game is Transformation.

How this works is, when a Mafioso dies, one of the Red Townies will become that new mafioso. When a special role of the Town dies, one of the Green Townies will become that special role. This Transformation mechanic happens even if the townie is dead, which means that for once, death in this game is not final.

Rogue Townies know that they are Rogue Townies. These act the same way as Red Townies, but they have knowledge of being one. Furthermore, if they die, they automatically become normal Mafiosos even if no mafiosos are dead yet.

Yellow Townies know that they are Yellow Townies. Every night, they have the option of choosing whether they want to be a Red townie or a Green townie. If they die without making a choice, their orientation is chosen for them at random. Once Yellow Townies become a specific color, their Transformation will take precedence.

The Black Townie has no powers of their own and is neither green nor red. If they die, they become the Mad Scientist.

Townies of all colors win with the Town, but when they transform, they win with whatever side they've transformed into. When a Townie transforms, they have a random chance of becoming insane, so keep that in mind.

Insanity

Before, we've played with the Insane Cop and the Lunatic (insane vigilante). In this game, any role except red/green/black townies can become insane, to various effects. I will not reveal what they all do here, but if someone who was once insane dies, I will reveal what that insane role was in the next Mafia thread.

The Psychiatrist is the only role that can cure insanity, and also the only role (other than green/red/black townie) immune from insanity. It's worth noting that Mafia members can be insane.

Win Condition

Because of the new Transformation mechanic, it isn't possible for one side to outnumber the other. Winning is instead determined on a points system, where the first side to reach 10 points wins:

  • For every special role the Mafia kills, they get +1 point
  • For every mafioso the Town kills or lynches, they get +1 point
  • For every player the Mad Scientist conducts surgery on, they get +2 points.

  • If the Mafia kill the Mad Scientist, they get +2 points.
  • If the Mad Scientist is lynched or killed by the Vigilante, the Town gets +2 points.
  • If the Town lynches a Godfather, they get +2 points. Note that if the Vigiliante kills a Godfather, the Town only gets +1 point.

    As there is no Janitor, I will update the win points every round.

    IMPORTANT NOTE

    I couldn't think of a way of doing it without it automatically becoming obvious who a role is when they're resurrected (and a way of making it fair to the Mad Scientist), so for the duration of this game, ALL players will appear in the voting area, whether they're dead or not. All the mafia threads will indicate who has died (and there's no Janitor) and preferably who has claimed what. So yes, you can vote for someone who you think is dead, because they very well might not be.

    Anyway, Night 0

    Two last small things to cover. First of all, Night Talk is ON, so you can talk amongst yourselves during this night round, but cannot vote. Second of all, Dead Talk is also ON, so you can talk here if you are dead, but also cannot vote. Until I fix it, please do not vote if it's a night round or you're dead. If you do I may have to ban you from the forum for the duration of the game.

    You have 24 hours to get your night actions in. As it is night 0, no killing actions can be taken. Choose wisely and talk loudly!

  • There are 93 Replies


    HI, EVERYBODY!

    July 14, 2012
    `Roxas`

    This is all very confusing and I'm somewhat scared.

    July 14, 2012
    Kyon

    O.o interesting... Though I expect if someone hasn't complained about it being "too confusing" before I post this then they will shortly after. {:P}

    July 14, 2012
    Redack

    .....{*^_^*}

    July 14, 2012
    Kyon

    This... is very confusing.

    July 14, 2012
    Wild Luxray

    Redack.... is very confusing. {:/}

    July 14, 2012
    `Roxas`

    could go down as the best game so far...Or the worst. Only time will tell. I take it since we have a social worker this game takes place in the getto.

    {:3}

    July 14, 2012
    Dragon in the Shadows

    You people are terrible {:P}

    It's not confusing.

    July 14, 2012
    Redack

    EVERYTHING confuses me! You know that. Where is that Social Worker's office?lol

    July 14, 2012
    Wild Luxray

    I take it since we have a social worker this game takes place in the getto.

    I've already applied fro my food stamps. It's on the corner of Red Blvd. and Green Street

    July 14, 2012
    chiefsonny
     

    With night/dead talk on, I don't know if there's anyway to prevent those not playing from talking. But I can talk. : / Just throwing that out there.

    July 14, 2012
    The Bandit

    Look, an outsider... What do we do?

    July 14, 2012
    Redack

    thing I have Newport cartridges for my e-cig.

    {:3}

    July 14, 2012
    Dragon in the Shadows

    In a twist of fate, I'm the cop this round. It seems to work out favorably for us to come out early so we can gain an advantage against the scum mafia.

    July 14, 2012
    Helius

    you really think a reveal is a good idea on night 0?

    July 14, 2012
    Dragon in the Shadows

    I do. The doctor can cover me for the rest of the game as I investigate. This is a game where time counts....

    July 14, 2012
    Helius

    I guess the Phyc (or Social?) outta make sure Helius is sane, then...

    July 14, 2012
    Wild Luxray

    Sounds like an interesting game Xhin, nicely done.

    July 15, 2012
    Count Dooku

    oh man

    July 15, 2012
    MajorasMask9

    Kill the oustider.

    July 15, 2012
    `Roxas`

    We should add a Yellow Trickster role to the next game like this. Like a Yellow Townie, but with the Trickster. I have no idea where I'm going with this but I know Yeano will appreciate it.

    July 15, 2012
    MajorasMask9

    Question for Xhin: We know that dead townies are ressurected according to color. What happens to dead Mafia/Power Roles? Do they get knocked out of the game?

    July 15, 2012
    Wild Luxray

    God, and I'm color blind{:(}

    July 15, 2012
    chiefsonny
     

    Question for Xhin: We know that dead townies are ressurected according to color. What happens to dead Mafia/Power Roles? Do they get knocked out of the game?

    One would assume mafia die and become a dead red townie, whilst town die and become dead green townie but I'd like clarification from Xhin too.

    July 15, 2012
    Redack

    What happens to dead Mafia/Power Roles? Do they get knocked out of the game?


    that matter what happens to the power roles? Do they get transformed or ressurected or whatever into townies? Or is it kinda like Buhdism and they get boosted to demi-gods?

    July 15, 2012
    Dragon in the Shadows

    I guess townies aren't so vanilla anymore

    July 15, 2012
    Vandy

    Nope, they're banana, mint, strawberry and chocolate {:)}

    July 15, 2012
    Redack

    What a brilliant new twist. I'm really looking forward to this. {:D}

    July 15, 2012
    Noctis Lucis Caelum

    should have added a Spider-Man role. That way after the Mad Scientist dies he could become the Green Goblin.

    July 15, 2012
    Dragon in the Shadows

    Yeah... this seems like terrible change for the sake of change.

    July 15, 2012
    hezekiah

    Okay, usually when someone claims Cop I'm inclined to believe them unless there's a counterclaim, but something about Helius' claim seems odd to me. In a game like this, what with these Townie colors and this new mechanic of second chances, special roles such as the Cop only have one shot, so Helius' claim is suicide.

    July 15, 2012
    Black Yoshi

    What happens to dead Mafia/Power Roles? Do they get knocked out of the game?

    With 21 players and 10 points needed to win, I'm pretty sure it's impossible that the game will run out of red/green townies before the game ends. If I'm wrong somehow, then yeah, they become the same color as they were before (so they don't unintentionally doom the game for themselves).

    Or is it kinda like Buhdism and they get boosted to demi-gods?

    As far as the "storyline" goes, you'll see :P

    One thing I will say is that I spent a few days trying to get the balance of the game right so everyone is on equal footing. The Mafia are a little overpowered right now, but usually they'll become weaker and weaker as the game progresses (and that's even more true this game), so this gives them the chance. The Trickster is ridiculously powerful, but there are two townies that can find out who they are (well, the Cop only knows they're guilty), and townies that WANT to die (rogue, black) can use it to their advantage. Rogue townies themselves are pretty powerful, but the social worker's ability to detect them balances them out. I'm not sure how overall powerful the Mad Scientist is, but they definitely have the funnest role in the game.

    July 15, 2012
    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    special roles such as the Cop only have one shot, so Helius' claim is suicide.

    Are you calling me a liar? I just want to get down to business. We can't afford mistakes or to waste time. I'm trying to adapt to the new game mechanics and trying to get us a head start on the 10 point win system.

    Wouldn't that what any cop would want?

    July 15, 2012
    Helius

    Actually, yes, because I'm the actual Cop.

    July 15, 2012
    Black Yoshi

    Well, I guess we have a predicament then.... because I'm the cop.

    July 15, 2012
    Helius

    the plot thickens!

    July 15, 2012
    Vandy

    No! My research!

    July 15, 2012
    Shadowwalked

    Is it possible that there are two cops? Or maybe an insane person who only THINKS they are a cop?Who can tell how Xhin's twisted mind is working.

    July 15, 2012
    Wild Luxray

    {<OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO}

    July 15, 2012
    MajorasMask9

    Unlikely, one of them is probably lying.

    July 15, 2012
    Redack

    Unlikely, one of them is probably lying.


    which one? Which is the real cop and who's lying? And is the other "cop" a mafia member?

    July 15, 2012
    Dragon in the Shadows

    I am the real Cop, and my investigation of Helius reveals that he is Innocent, leading me to believe that he is the Godfather.

    July 15, 2012
    Black Yoshi

    Or he could be the real cop and you could be the Godfather {<00}

    July 15, 2012
    MajorasMask9

    Of course, I am innocent. I am the Cop. My investigation of Black Yoshi shows that he is "guilty."

    ^ Because I'm the real cop.

    July 15, 2012
    Helius

    Easiest solution: Kill them Both. They could both be lying.

    July 15, 2012
    `Roxas`

    have three theories so far.

    1) Black Yoshi is telling the truth and Helius is mafia.

    2) Helius is telling the truth and Black Yoshi is mafia.

    3) Roxas is mafia and is trying to get us to kill a townie and the cop.

    I hate this game!

    July 15, 2012
    Dragon in the Shadows

    How about THIS theory that I can proove;

    They are BOTH lying. The real cop hasn't gotten the results of his investigation yet. I know because I have a night action and haven't got my results yet, because it is STILL NIGHT 0!

    July 15, 2012
    Wild Luxray

    course! It's been so long since I had a night action that I actually forgot! Also there is only one "o" in the word "prove".

    July 15, 2012
    Dragon in the Shadows

    Okay, Helius, prove you're the Cop. What does Xhin say in the OP of the Cop thread, word for word?

    July 15, 2012
    Black Yoshi

    Of course, we could be saying that about each other because one of us is the "real" cop and there is nothing to go on yet; however, since there is two of us claiming to be the "real" cop, the only thing we can say is that the other is "guilty" hoping to legitimize our claim on being "cop." That's the alternative theory.

    That being said. I'm the real cop, and I'll prove it during Day 1 by giving us a guilty verdict to lynch.

    July 15, 2012
    Helius

    Okay, Helius, prove you're the Cop. What does Xhin say in the OP of the Cop thread, word for word?

    That proves nothing. As no one else knows the what is said in the Cop thread... and its a good way to get Host killed. I think you have made a mistake, Mafioso.

    July 15, 2012
    Helius

    So you can get Host-killed for copy/pasting from other threads...that's beside the point.

    The point is I'm the real Cop and you're the Godfather pretending to be the Cop.

    July 15, 2012
    Black Yoshi

    I don't believe Helius at all

    I'm not sure about Black Yoshi. Is it true that no night actions have been revealed?

    July 15, 2012
    Vandy

    The fact that you wanted me to be host-killed speaks volumes.... :/ I'm definitely investigating you.

    July 15, 2012
    Helius

    Mine hasn't.

    July 15, 2012
    Wild Luxray

    The fact that you wanted me to be host-killed speaks volumes.... :/ I'm definitely investigating you.


    so you haven't investigated him yet? Then why did you say you did here?

    I am the Cop. My investigation of Black Yoshi shows that he is "guilty."


    July 15, 2012
    Vandy

    Of course, we could be saying that about each other because one of us is the "real" cop and there is nothing to go on yet; however, since there is two of us claiming to be the "real" cop, the only thing we can say is that the other is "guilty" hoping to legitimize our claim on being "cop." That's the alternative theory.


    Read, please, Vandy.

    Also...

    I am the real Cop, and my investigation of Helius reveals that he is Innocent, leading me to believe that he is the Godfather.


    As we can tell, Vandy is suspicious or just doesn't read.

    July 15, 2012
    Helius

    it's not a good idea to lie on the first night. People that, you know, read... may get suspicious

    July 15, 2012
    Vandy

    Who says I'm telling a lie? O.o

    I'm the cop.

    July 15, 2012
    Helius

    you lied about doing an investigation on Black Yoshi that you haven't done

    that's a lie yeah? maybe someone who reads can clarify for me

    July 15, 2012
    Vandy

    And he lied about an investigation he did...

    Would you like to clarify that one?

    July 15, 2012
    Helius

    if you were the cop and had not received your verdict yet, and someone else claimed that they had a verdict, the smart thing would be to say something about verdicts not being revealed yet. You know, the truth

    the not-so-smart thing to do would be to say you also have a verdict, and then reveal minutes later that you actually don't.

    also I don't really know if verdicts have been given out yet but you've made it clear you don't have anything

    July 15, 2012
    Vandy

    And I have given a reasonable explanation for it as well.

    July 15, 2012
    Helius

    I don't believe either of them, to be honest. {:/} No reason to come out on Night 0, before you even have any results.

    And there is a 1/18, about 5.5% chance at this time, of an innocent investigation being the Godfather. One, or both, of them may be trying to buy the Cop more time as Xhin did with his Vigilante thing in game four (or five).

    July 15, 2012
    `Roxas`

    I did not lie about my investigation, Mafioso. If it weren't for the threat of being host-killed, I'd post exactly what Xhin said, word for word, in the original post of the Cop thread -- the introduction to the role, etc.. You say it would get me host-killed, but of that I'm not sure, since all I'd be revealing is what my role does, which is investigate liars like you to find out if they are Mafia or not, which you clearly are.

    July 15, 2012
    Black Yoshi

    You forgot a fourth theory, DitS:

    Helius and Black Yoshi are Mafia.

    July 15, 2012
    `Roxas`

    Welp, I know who I'm voting for. {<00}

    July 15, 2012
    Kyon

    It's definitely possible that I am Mafia... and that I am out to cause chaos in the game. <-- If this was my goal, I certainly have masked my mafia brethren.

    Not my goal though.

    July 15, 2012
    Helius

    Really Helius? That isn't your goal? Stated far too eloquently for someone who "isn't Mafia." Just like White Lancer -- whenever you play an average Townie (in previous games, of course), you're as free-spirited as ever, but whenever you play Mafia, like now, you're an entirely different person, as if your IQ jumps up about three orders of magnitude.

    Nice try, Mafioso, but I'm just not buying it.

    July 15, 2012
    Black Yoshi

    Both Helius and Black Yoshi are Mafia.

    That was my best guess, and that the Trickster silenced the real cop. Their whole exchange is very suspicious no matter what is truthful and what isn't.

    July 15, 2012
    White Thunder

    you're as free-spirited as ever, but whenever you play Mafia, like now, you're an entirely different person, as if your IQ jumps up about three orders of magnitude.

    Ah... drats. I was hoping you wouldn't notice that. {:D}

    July 15, 2012
    Helius

    maybe Helius is a red/green townie in hopes of joining the mafia

    July 15, 2012
    Vandy

    Well, then the objective if that is true... is to not let me die.

    But then again, I'm not going to let you know what my end game is. I don't care if the Mafia or Town win to be honest.

    July 15, 2012
    Helius

    It certainly does feel like an "in it for yourself" kind of game, this time around; followed shortly by team. (Kind of like Big Brother this season)

    July 15, 2012
    `Roxas`

    It is... now I'll continue being free-spirited... lol

    Just to let you know... I'm not the cop. I was just saying that, though, look at all the interesting results that yielded.

    And I'm not Mafia. Hell, I'm not even a red or yellow townie.

    July 15, 2012
    Helius

    I say we kill Helius.

    July 15, 2012
    Kyon

    They are BOTH lying. The real cop hasn't gotten the results of his investigation yet. I know because I have a night action and haven't got my results yet, because it is STILL NIGHT 0!

    What I will say is that I try to respond to everyone's night actions as they make them, so it is possible that the cop has gotten their results already. Please recheck your post.

    So you can get Host-killed for copy/pasting from other threads...that's beside the point.

    "You may not under any circumstance (unless specified by the Host), copy and paste any of the information contained in a role specific thread (Mafia Thread, Doctor Thread, Sheriff Thread, etc.) or make up content from one of those threads and portray it as having been copied and pasted. This also applies to screenshots of the thread. " -- Mafia Rules thread.

    and that the Trickster silenced the real cop.

    I should add that silences do not work until Day 1, in which case they affect both Day 1 and Night 1. This is from the roles page: "Silencer - Can target one person per day to silence. Once silenced, this person cannot speak for the rest of that day." Having night talk ON makes things tricky, but that compromise should work.

    I am also neither confirming nor denying an action by the Trickster.

    July 15, 2012
    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    What I will say is that I try to respond to everyone's night actions as they make them, so it is possible that the cop has gotten their results already.


    so then it is possible that Black Yoshi is our cop

    either way, Helius is up to no good

    July 15, 2012
    Vandy

    i really dont know about either of your claims. i dont see any reason to say we should lynch helius just yet though, seems like you two are out for blood

    July 15, 2012
    CtR Black

    Whoa, so much drama going on for Night 0. {:P}

    Yoshi does seem to be approaching the whole debate a bit smoother than Helius, who clearly slipped on stating he would check Yoshi when he said he already did.

    July 15, 2012
    Noctis Lucis Caelum

    like how the townies aren't pawns

    July 15, 2012
    #85

    well nevermind i just read through some of helius posts and he has a guilty verdict already. of course it is possible he already checked someone and got the verdict

    July 15, 2012
    CtR Black

    stole my blue...I'm gonna have to keep an eye on him. That's copyright infringement. Right now I'm starting to form a theory that Yoshi and Kyon are in the mafia and Helius is cop. But I'm not too sure about all that. I don't like this night talk shit. I'm use to the dull do nothing nights where I pop in a DVD.

    July 15, 2012
    Dragon in the Shadows

    read all the posts since I was last on...Bye bye theory. Now I got nothing.

    {:(}

    July 15, 2012
    Dragon in the Shadows

    I have no reason to believe Yoshi is lying, since Helius confessed to lying. No 3rd cop came out, so I am giving Yoshi the benefit of the doubt.

    July 15, 2012
    Wild Luxray

    I was just adding to your theory list.

    July 15, 2012
    `Roxas`

    Personally I think CTR and Helius are suspects. Also, Redack.

    July 16, 2012
    Kyon

    ~thinks~

    was pretty determined to find some roles in a game with no Journalist...

    July 16, 2012
    Dragon in the Shadows

    I would not be at all surprised to find out that we've got more than one cop, some portion of which are "broken".

    July 16, 2012
    hezekiah

    oh he did confess. well then. maybe he's mafia and he got caught up in his lie, or maybe he was really trying to see what it'd bring forth. i guess we'll find out next round

    July 16, 2012
    CtR Black

    I think if there was more than one cop they'd be using the same "Role Thread." If that were the case there wouldn't be any reason why they wouldn't know who each other are.

    July 16, 2012
    MajorasMask9

    Mhm. I'm thinking Kill Helius when the sun rises.

    July 16, 2012
    `Roxas`

    There's a good chance he's one of those roles that wants to be killed. That would explain his erratic behavior. I vote we lynch Xhin. Yes, I know he's hosting, but in the spirit of tradition...

    July 16, 2012
    White Thunder

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