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game ix mafia thread

Posted July 25, 2012 by Xhin

You guys are the Mafia. Let's see who's who.

Zanic -- Godfather
Dragon in the Shadows -- Executioner
Redack -- Silencer
hezekiah -- Janitor
9 -- Mafioso

You may talk freely, but cannot make any night actions until Night 1.

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[insert maniacal laughter]

Now I can control who talks!

July 25, 2012
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Redack

Can't kill Xhin or Redack in this game.

{:/}

July 25, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Actually you can.

July 25, 2012
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Redack

You can execute me if I get enough votes and the mafia can kill its own {:P}

July 25, 2012
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Redack

Also just for clarification, isn't the silencer normally allowed to silence on Night 0?

July 25, 2012
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Redack

decrease the chances of winning? No, not gonna happen.

July 26, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

I'm not starting the game on Night 0, I'm starting the game on Day 1.

July 26, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Ah ok Xhin, that'd explain it then.

July 26, 2012
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Redack

Since there is a spy in play, we've really got to watch what we say

July 26, 2012
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Zanic

Yes, fortunately nothing activates until this night round, part of why I'm starting on Day 1.

July 26, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

A trick we could use is, every reply we do is throw someone's name in as if they're part of the mafia.

Such as started it with "Good idea Shadowwalked". That way the spy thinks he's gotten a name out of us whilst we've fed them a false name.

Though this relies on two things, first is the spy not realising that his role has mafia names filtered out and the second being if Xhin would filter said name out or not?

Worth a try or no?

July 26, 2012
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Redack

Great idea Feral.

July 26, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Why thank ye kindly Chiefsonny.

July 26, 2012
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Redack

Personally, I'd prefer to simply prevent them from getting anything useful. Every time you post, make another post simply containing
{troll}
. We could also try to trick them by making fake replies with incorrect game info, but that'd get more difficult to manage. Note that since we each are a different role, every one of us needs to be careful about this.

Xhin: does the Spy role always return the most recent reply, or is it limited to posts made during that particular night round?


July 26, 2012
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hezekiah

{troll}

Apparently that works, but having it on the same line as other text doesn't...

July 26, 2012
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hezekiah

{troll}

July 26, 2012
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hezekiah

Oh yeah... also, could you clarify the Executioner/Governor interaction? Specifically, will the Governor stop Executioner kills?

Also, may as well start figuring out who we'll want to kill. Shadowwalked, perhaps? He's been good at figuring out how best to exploit new rules / roles, might want to get rid of him before he has a chance to do so.

Townie list:
chiefsonny -
Count Dooku -
Shadowwalked -
Kyon -
Feral -
Black Yoshi -
Trever Leingod -
White Thunder -
`Roxas` -
white lancer -
CtR Black -
#85 -
MajorasMask9 -

July 26, 2012
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hezekiah

{troll}

July 26, 2012
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hezekiah

(suprised) And what if the Spy gets a hold of that list Trever? We'll be completely screwed!

July 26, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

I think it's a terrible idea for us to rely on the Spy being stupid.

July 26, 2012
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hezekiah

{troll}

July 26, 2012
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hezekiah

Who said anything about relying on it, it was just an idea as an extra trick. Not a primary strategy.

July 26, 2012
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Redack

{troll}

July 26, 2012
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Redack

So lets talk strategy since the day round is just about over. No reveles today and no slip ups. Who should we target? Feral seems like a good choice. Or perhaps Roxas?

July 26, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Dragon, please remember to de-spy-ify your posts by following them with a {troll} post. Will make sure the Spy doesn't get anything worth using.

As I had said earlier, I'd like to take out Shadowwalked since he has a history of coming up with ways to abuse new roles. It goes without saying that I'll hide the body of whoever we decide to kill off, be it Shadowwalked or somebody else. As for our silence, I don't have any strong ideas for who Redack should pick. So I used random.org, and it spit back white lancer at me. So for now, that's my best suggestion.

July 26, 2012
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hezekiah

{troll}

July 26, 2012
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hezekiah

You may now vote on who to kill. 3 votes for the same option will be acceptable rather than everyone voting, if I'm here.

The Silencer may choose someone to silence.

The Janitor may choose a body to hide. If that person dies in the night round, they will not have their role revealed.

July 26, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

I'm gonna silence Roxas, he's usually a fairly strong player so shutting him up for a day may help.

I would go with your suggestion, but I've not seen him post much so it might be a wasted silence.

July 26, 2012
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Redack

{troll}

July 26, 2012
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Redack

Since there has been no information I will vote for anyone the Godfather votes for.

July 26, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

I think you're overestimating Shadowwalked just a bit, his strategy is generally random or target people he knows (such as poptart). However he's definitely one of the better players, no doubt about that part.

So yea I'll agree to killing him.

July 27, 2012
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Redack

{troll}

July 27, 2012
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Redack

I don't quite follow the logic behind the whole troll image thing. I mean it kind of makes sense when it's in the same post, but you are assuming that the spy will get just the troll follow up reply. If we go through with that strategy there is only a 50-50 chance of that. We are better off just referring to each other with our ranks and not discussing too much of our strategy...And hope we get rid of the spy early

July 27, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

I cast my kill vote for Shadowwalked. If we end up making Shadowwalked our kill target, I choose to hide his body. If he's not, I'll hide the body of whoever it is the mafia does choose.

Dragon, the point of the troll image reply is to give the Spy absolutely nothing useful. According to Xhin's description of the role in the [p:68556|main thread], all they get is the contents of the last post that role (aka person, since all 5 of us are different roles) made. So if we each make sure that the last reply we make has no useful content (in my version, a troll face), we'll be as safe as we can be from the spy.

As we saw in previous games, the Journalist had a habit of dying because the mafia was able to somewhat identify their writing style. To prevent it from working the other way, I want us to not let them see anything that might incriminate one of us.

July 27, 2012
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hezekiah

{troll}

July 27, 2012
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hezekiah

I missed all that.

July 27, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

(suprised)

July 27, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

I will vote for Shadowwalked. Seeing as we have no information.

July 27, 2012
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Zanic

And by the way, I was thinking about us all having nicknames in case of the spy, but I think on his role info it said that all names are filtered out.

July 27, 2012
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Zanic

Sigh, there goes Redack. Stupid cop (no)

July 27, 2012
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Redack

{troll}

July 27, 2012
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Redack

Yeah. Sorry Redders.

July 27, 2012
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Zanic

Well I'm not going to fight for my innocence, too many people do that and 99% of the time it just confirms their guilty, my hope being maybe the Governor will take my side. Plus the town generally has a habit of not changing its mind.

July 27, 2012
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Redack

(shifty)

July 27, 2012
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Redack

Should I elect to kill Redack? The day round will continue and that is the only info they have.

July 27, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

(suprised)

July 27, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

I'd prefer that you don't :(

July 27, 2012
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Redack

{troll}

July 27, 2012
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Redack

down honorably, I see. I have a lot of respect for that. I will reluctantly cast my vote. It was a pleasure to play with you


July 27, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

(cry)

July 27, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Honestly, you should've counterclaimed cop imo. Nothing to lose and all that. Pretty crappy luck though...

July 27, 2012
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hezekiah

{troll}

July 27, 2012
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hezekiah

Two questions, Xhin:

1) Will you clarify after which votes the round ends? I think that's information that should be provided.

2) What the hell was Shadow's role?

July 27, 2012
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hezekiah

{troll}

July 27, 2012
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hezekiah

Executioner

July 27, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

(suprised)

July 27, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

He meant Shadowwalked. Xhin is supposed to tell us.

July 27, 2012
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Redack

{troll}

July 27, 2012
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Redack

Maybe you'll get lucky like I did on Lancer's game. But he messed it up >.<

July 27, 2012
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Zanic

{troll}

July 27, 2012
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Zanic

Ok, maybe not my most honourable of strategies but maybe it'll call to people's sympathetic sides and make them lynch 85 next {:P}

July 27, 2012
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Redack

{troll}

July 27, 2012
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Redack

Seems we'll manage to pull off a lynch of either Chief of 85 tomorrow, with Chief being the more likely of the two.

Boy, I sure wish Xhin would tell us what the fuck Shadowwalked was.

I do like how applicable our "troll face reply" was to your last post, Redack.

July 27, 2012
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hezekiah

{troll}

July 27, 2012
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hezekiah

lol I didn't even realise it was so applicable {:P}

Well, I got unlucky but it looks like I may have created a bit of misdirection which should keep you guys safe for a little bit.

I'd suggest trying to kill Lancer when it comes night time (now that he's back) as he's a strong player and the only power role we know about is the cop who won't be killable until the doctor is found.

July 27, 2012
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Redack

{troll}

July 27, 2012
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Redack

I've always wanted to try and avoid the cop for a few rounds, then take a stab at them, hoping that the Doctor assumes we're going to target random people. But yes, your accusation was about as helpful as we reasonably could've hoped for. I'd assume that chief is nothing special, as is Feral. However, not quite sure what Luxray's game is yet, so won't commit to that.

July 27, 2012
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hezekiah

{troll}

July 27, 2012
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hezekiah

Personally I feel like Feral is something important, he's putting emphasis on guiding everyone else which generally he doesn't do. I'd say Lancer is still the best bet for a kill in night 2 though.

July 27, 2012
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Redack

{troll}

July 27, 2012
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Redack

Shadowwalked just spoke to me and told me he was the sniper and that he shot himself (and requested that I be the person he hit if the 50/50 causes him to miss). Best to wait for Xhin's confirmation (because he should do so) but it looks like we've got rid of the sniper.

July 27, 2012
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Redack

{troll}

July 27, 2012
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Redack

Redack stirring the pot! Way to go out with a bang man.

July 27, 2012
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Zanic

{troll}

July 27, 2012
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Zanic

You should tell them that Shadow was the cop and that's why there was no counter claim

July 27, 2012
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Zanic

{troll}

July 27, 2012
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Zanic

Sure fuckin' wish Xhin hadn't forgotten to tell us what Shadowwalked was, that would've been quite helpful.

July 27, 2012
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hezekiah

{troll}

July 27, 2012
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hezekiah

You should tell them that Shadow was the cop and that's why there was no counter claim

I already did, keep up Zanic {:P}

July 27, 2012
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Redack

{troll}

July 27, 2012
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Redack

Well sorry. I've been gone the last two days.

July 27, 2012
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Zanic

1) Will you clarify after which votes the round ends? I think that's information that should be provided.

What do you mean? which votes in the day round or night round?

2) What the hell was Shadow's role?

Sorry, I didn't realize that was a part of the Janitor's role since I've never played as mafia.

Anyway, he was the Sniper. Ironically, he elected to kill himself, and since the Vigilante action activates before the mafia action, you guys didn't actually manage to get a night kill in last night :P

We also did his collateral damage on a coin flip, which he lost so no one extra died.

July 27, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

You may now vote on who to kill tonight. 3 votes for the same option is sufficient. If there is a tie of 2 votes in two directions, then Zanic's vote counts double, as he is the Godfather.

The Janitor may choose which body to bury (and this time I'll remember to actually say what they were here).

Since the Sniper's dead, there's no point trying to bury a body different than the one you guys vote for, unless the Fisherman has somehow successfully obtained a gun.

July 27, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

I vote for white lancer. He's a good player and should be taken down before deciphering.

July 27, 2012
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Zanic

White Lancer sounds pretty good to me.

July 27, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

(suprised)

July 27, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

We need hez to hide his body.

July 28, 2012
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Zanic

{cat}

July 28, 2012
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Zanic

Vote to kill white lancer, and also to hide his body.

July 28, 2012
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hezekiah

{troll}

July 28, 2012
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hezekiah

Looks like we have come to an agreement.

July 28, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

(suprised)

July 28, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

white lancer failed to die by your hands, so that's why I'm not revealing his role here.

July 28, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Dammit. Maybe now, more dirt will be on #85 hopefully.

July 28, 2012
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Zanic

{troll}

July 28, 2012
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Zanic

We still have yet to kill anyone.

July 28, 2012
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Zanic

Omg. Guys. I'm sorry. I just found out that I'm going to a camp tomorrow and I'll be gone till saturday :(

July 28, 2012
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Zanic

Crap. Now what?

July 29, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

(suprised)

July 29, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Idk. Maybe I could last most of the week being inactive. I'm sorry guys. I didn't know I was going to this camp.

July 29, 2012
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Zanic

the night round vote for Kyon. Kyon suspects Feral is mafia. We kill him and I'll point it out Kyon thought Feral was mafia. We'll get two out easily.

July 30, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

(suprised)

July 30, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

You may now vote on who to kill tonight. 3 votes for the same option is sufficient. If there is a tie of 2 votes in two directions, then Zanic's vote counts double, as he is the Godfather.

The Janitor may choose which body to bury.

July 30, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

My vote is for Kyon. It should be easy to get the town to think that Feral did it 'cause he was getting close to the truth. And Xhin, Zanic is out of town and 9 hasn't posted. How the fuck are we suppose to get 3 votes?

July 30, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

(suprised)

July 30, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Oops, forgot that. 2 votes is enough.

July 30, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

I'm unable to really study the thread right now, but if there's a non-suspicious townie who's been skeptical of #85 (as in, believing Redack's tale), we should take them out to continue trying to have them lynch the cop for us.

Not going to cast my kill vote yet, but will confirm that I'll hide the body of whoever we agree to kill.

July 31, 2012
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hezekiah

Had some time to read parts of the Day Thread, and it seems like Roxas was one of the people more willing to go with Redack's ploy. So I'm hoping it'll be possible to swing people towards thinking that we killed Roxas to take out a voice against #85.

We may also want to come up with a plausible cause for the supposed Redack/#85 argument. That way, we can have some sort of a plan for after he manages to pull another Guilty verdict. Could be something as simple as one of them getting upset by the other trying to take charge of the mafia, but we'd have to think about their respective personalities to see how that would go. Could also offer up 9 as a sacrifice, claiming that Redack or #85 was enough of an ass to drive 9 away from the game entirely. Of course, that'd leave us with only 2 if they believe it...


I vote to kill `Roxas`.

July 31, 2012
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hezekiah

{troll}

July 31, 2012
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hezekiah

Oh shit, Zanic didn't make a hiding post. So we're in trouble if the Spy picks him. Goddamnit.

July 31, 2012
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hezekiah

{troll}

July 31, 2012
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hezekiah

Xhin: what are the limitations on the Spy role? Does it pull in posts from during the day round as well, or would you tell the spy no post was made if they don't post during the night round? Specifically, I'd like to know what your response would be to the Spy asking tonight for each of:
1) Godfather
2) Silencer
3) Mafioso

July 31, 2012
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hezekiah

Fucking hell, Zanic...

July 31, 2012
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hezekiah

{troll}

July 31, 2012
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hezekiah

To get the kill I'll switch my vote to Roxas, but we are missing out on an opportunity here.

July 31, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

(suprised)

July 31, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

gonna hide the body?

July 31, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

(suprised)

July 31, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

I'm filling in for Xhin.

Based on the description of the Spy, whatever the last post by that person was would be posted in the Spy thread. My interpretation would be, however, that it was the last post effective from the time at which the spy made his/her request.

July 31, 2012
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Yeano

`Roxas` was the spy.

July 31, 2012
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Yeano

No more posting smileys to prevent information from being leaked!

{:D}

August 1, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Thank god. Would've sucked to have us done in by carelessness.

August 1, 2012
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hezekiah

Dragon, don't get too tunnel-visioned on Feral. If he gets lynched due to you, you'll probably end up as the next target.

August 1, 2012
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hezekiah

worry. At this point he's starting to get himself in trouble. Besides we wouldn't have this problem if we had targeted him last night instead of Roxas.

August 1, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

If they end up going with a mass role reveal, we can now blend in well enough... assuming those who have already died didn't tell anybody else their roles, we can adopt them as our own. But hopefully it won't come to that, because I don't want to have to deal with it.

August 1, 2012
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hezekiah

reveal myself as the Spy. I'm gonna leak a plan to take out the doctor in the night round. It might give us an oppertunity to target the doctor, but if needed target me tonight and hide my body. It will enforce my claim and the doctor will be protecting himself for a while.

August 1, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

So it seems like I should claim Sniper, right? Again, I'm just afraid of OOG contact, with Shadowwalked having told somebody that he was the Sniper.

Only way you could die is if the Fisherman pulls out the Vigilante (Sniper) item. Can you explain that a little more?

Another option would be for me to also claim Spy, and get you killed off somehow. Certainly wouldn't be ideal to lose a member, but it would certainly ingratiate me into the town. Plus, this game hasn't been very relevant to the Executioner's skills; it seems like you're only slightly above 9 on the "useful scale".

So one approach would be for me to counter-claim after we get 5 votes for 1 (or more) townie(s). Honestly it feels like you're in this more for yourself than the team...

August 1, 2012
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hezekiah

I have a plan which will use my claim to off atleast one or two members of the Town. Namely the Cop and Doctor. If I play my cards right the Martyr will protect me, the doctor will protect the cop. That leaves us with the option to take out the doctor. If I can use this strategy long enough we will be able to get the martyr next. At which point I'll probably get suspected. But it won't matter 'cause you'll be able to target the doctor without any resistance.

August 1, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Only way you could die is if the Fisherman pulls out the Vigilante (Sniper) item. Can you explain that a little more?

Sure. There's a 20% chance that the Fisherman will catch the Gun, which will allow them to kill the person of their choice. Please bear in mind that this is a vigilante ability, not a sniper ability, so there is no 50% chance of collateral damage.

Also, excellent playing so far guys. Especially considering that two of your members are MIA.

August 1, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Well that's a problem, that it's a vigilante and not actual Sniper action...

August 2, 2012
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hezekiah

plan failed, but it's caused quite a bit of confusion. Now they are pushing for a mass role reveal. Once more people have done so come out as the sniper. But it looks like we'll have our choice of targets tonight. (look)

August 2, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Difficulty is, that'd end up with us losing Zanic and 9 unless they decide to go for people who did claim. Hopefully we can convince them to do so. And I'm monitoring the thread, picking my time to claim sniper.

August 2, 2012
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hezekiah

can bide time for Zanic by basicly telling the truth. Via e-mail he told one us he was going to camp and wouldn't be getting back for a while. Then we suggest checking his role by the cop. 9 is pretty much screwed, but I think he only joined for the medal.

August 2, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

What reason would Zanic have for telling one of us, specifically, that he was gonna be gone? I know I'm not very close to him...

August 2, 2012
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hezekiah

here. Damn. It's gonna be easy for them to get us down to two if they start targeting inactive players.

August 2, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

(fedup)

guess you should have waited until day 5 to claim. Now they are expecting you to prove yourself tonight. Would have been easier to hit an unclaimed player and stolen thier identity than to have to provide proof.

August 2, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Or what if... hear me out... we kill 9 during the night round, and don't hide his body. He's dead weight to us anyway, and it could all but clear me. Might be stretching what they'd believe, but I think it can work if you also claim to have not gotten ANYTHING from who you "check" (I'd recommend Executioner, since my absence would be indicated well enough by the body not being hidden).

August 2, 2012
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hezekiah

would work...If he makes it to the night round. He's got a bunch of people voting to lynch him. And Xhin would have to say he died of a gun shot wound. If he comes up with something different then the town will know it was a mafia hit...Which hurts your claim.

August 2, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

thought just occured to me. 9 requires 2 more votes until I can use my action. If you were to speak out against lynching him and I were to use my action it might be seen that the mafia was the ones who wanted them gone. Implicating Feral. We might not be able to kill him at night, but he's still vulnerable to a good old fashion lynching. We really should get rid of him before he gets the magnifying glass or gun.

August 2, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Why would we executioner him? His role would be revealed, an executioner kill isn't something I can Janitor. As soon as Xhin ended the round, he'd post that 9 was killed, and state that he was a Mafioso.

However, one thing we COULD do is get him to 5 votes, then NOT have you executioner him. That would make the town (rightly) think that he's mafia. I could make a post something like this:
So if all the current role claims are to be believed, all that we have left unclaimed are vanilla townies and mafia. That would mean we've got pretty good odds of picking a mafioso out of that bunch. Since he's one of them, and already at 3 votes, may as well take a shot at it. If we put him at Executioner stage and didn't lynch him ourselves, I could prove myself as sniper (assuming I get a hit and he doesn't get Executioner'd) by taking him out in the night round.

hezekiah Voted for 9

If the town looks like they'll end up simply lynching him instead, then I'll make a post to the effect of "alright, guess I'll pick out somebody to take a shot at and prove myself, then." Which would then probably lead to us killing off Feral (who's the Martyr, NOT the Fisherman). I could say that my roll failed and was for either Feral or lancer (who I'm assuming Feral will be protecting). Of course, that's pending Xhin's word on night action priority.

Xhin: what's the night action priority?

August 2, 2012
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hezekiah

BTW Dragon, you never reported a Spy reading from Night 3. Might I suggest something to the effect of "Wow, so you're leaving too? That's not good. I hope at least one of us will be around for tomorrow night. I wonder what we'll get on Roxas."

We'd want to try and make this sound like somebody else's writing style, and figure out what role we want them to be. I'd say Godfather, so that the Cop couldn't disprove it and cast doubt on you. Perhaps chiefsonny?


And also Xhin, bad mistake telling Feral that lancer was the Doctor. Can't we have ONE DAMN GAME without mistakes like this?

August 2, 2012
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hezekiah

did actually. When I revealed I gave them what I "found" on night 3. They wanted everything so I gave them two more. Just generic stuff to openly mock them. Tonight a false clue?

August 2, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

looks like I have a 50/50 chance of being investigated tonight.

August 2, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Well Dragon, I think you should give them
Tonight lets target the doctor. He should be protecting the doctor by now.

again tomorrow, again from the Godfather. As for why you'd pick the Godfather again, it's because "we" have no other good way of figuring out his identity.

Not sure yet who we should kill tonight, but unless you have any objections I'll claim to be planning to kill 9. Then, of course, I'll misfire and hit somebody worthwhile. This is what I'm gonna post, let me know if you think I should change it at all:
Yeah, I suppose I can do that. Think I'll take a shot at 9 then, since we wouldn't really lose anything either way.


August 2, 2012
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hezekiah

Chief-Gambler
Dragon-Executioner
Red-Silencer
Dooku-?
Hezy-Janitor
Shadow-Sniper
Kyon-?
Feral-Martyr
Yoshi-Fisherman (vest) (checked)
Trever-?
Thunder-? (checked)
Roxas-Spy
Lancer-Doctor
CtR-?
#85-Cop
Zanic-Godfather
Majora-Double Voter
9-Mafioso

August 2, 2012
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hezekiah

was thinking of something like:

Why should we kill "actual target's name"? We should target "seconadary target's name" instead.

we still have to figure out how you are gonna "use" the sniper action and our kill. Unless you suddenly had to leave town and explained so in the day post just before it ended.

August 2, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Chief-Gambler
Dragon-Executioner
Red-Silencer
Dooku-?
Hezy-Janitor
Shadow-Sniper
Kyon-?
Feral-Martyr
Yoshi-Fisherman (vest) (checked)
Trever-?
Thunder-? (checked)
Roxas-Spy
Lancer-Doctor
CtR-?
#85-Cop
Zanic-Godfather
Majora-Double-Voter
9-Mafioso

Governor and 4 townies remain. They're Dooku, Kyon, Trever, Thunder and CtR. Trever was one of lancer's suggestions, and seems to fit with the Governor posts that Xhin passed along. So perhaps I'll choose to go after him, and successfully get the kill. That'd make them more likely to believe that my "next target" fails, but it's still not very good odds. Really wish you hadn't rashly taken Spy, since feels like they're being very careful with their votes to avoid you. Either me or Zanic would've been better options to protect with it... sigh.

August 2, 2012
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hezekiah

I'm playing as the Sniper, so I'm going to be around for the night round. We're going to be claiming that the mafia didn't end up voting to kill anybody, or posting at all for that matter. Probably best for you to post a Spy result of something like:
Damn it, that sucks. Well, have fun this weekend. Hopefully we'll still be in the game when we get back.

Xhin, can we choose our night actions now instead of waiting for this round to end? If so, I vote to kill REDACTED. Assuming the Fisherman doesn't pull up a gun, he'd be the quickest way for the town to take us out. And REDACTED, if you're still here, tell Xhin you'll want to hide REDACTED's body.


That would make it sound like they tried (and failed) to get Xhin to accept their night actions during the day round, and that they wanted to kill me. That puts them all as unable to post during the night round, and wanting me dead.

August 2, 2012
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hezekiah

suggested waiting. We now know a bunch of roles. We could have hit an unrevealed role such as Dooku or Trever and then you would have had an option.

August 2, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Alright, so we should therefore kill CtR tonight to blend me in. Then tomorrow I think you should post the quoted text in my last post, which should all but clear me. I wish we had the ability to start working on the cop-doctor-martyr train, but we need patience.

Work for you?

August 2, 2012
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hezekiah

give it a try. I'm gonna let you come up with the leaked info. It should make it more believible. If my claim is strong enough I should be able to influence the town for a while.

August 2, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Yeah, I'll try to clean it up more and mask the writing style. If you've got any ideas of who we should make it sound like, I'm open to suggestions. Trever seems like a good bet, especially since it sounds like people are suspicious of him. If #85 comes back having checked one of the other non-claimers, I may change it to try and sound like them. But that's tough to do on short notice.


Anyway. I don't see this ending too well for us. I can only act like the Sniper for 2, maybe 3 night rounds before they come after me. Just glad that Zanic will be back at the end of the week, the godfather's gonna end up real important as we get down towards the end.

August 2, 2012
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hezekiah

Xhin confirmed via AIM that all player names are filtered out. Role names, however, would not be.

Haven't heard anything about night action priority, yet.

August 2, 2012
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hezekiah

are targeting CtR tonight, so not him. Try for either Dooku or Trever. Niether one has been actively playing. But keep it subtle. It just has to be believible.

August 2, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

got a question for you. Do you have a lot of experience on the mafia side? Specifically when the mafia successfully messed with town.

August 2, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

I've played a fair amount IRL, which is a different animal from online (no private conversations / strategy sessions, just pointing)... I think I've been mafia something like 3 times now. Don't think I've masterminded much town-messing in past games, however.

August 2, 2012
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hezekiah

I've only been on the mafia 3 times other times and they were reset. Based on how we are doing we could suggest that more experienced players are in the mafia.

August 2, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

I'd say don't do any more accusation-type posting this round. They've reached a pretty stable point and sound content to move to night 4.

Plus, they'd expect you to have some damn good reasons to assume there are more experienced people in the mafia.
Plus plus, I kinda doubt that 4 "more experienced people" would suddenly all disappear for more than a day.

August 2, 2012
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hezekiah

wasn't planning to. Just pointing out that we could use that strategy.

August 2, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

bad Zanic had to leave. Being a man down is bad enough, but two...(no)

August 2, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

And Xhin would have to say he died of a gun shot wound. If he comes up with something different then the town will know it was a mafia hit...Which hurts your claim.

I'll do what it takes to make his death weapon as ambiguous as possible. It's too risky (and awesome!) of a plan for it to be ruined by Host negligence.

Xhin: what's the night action priority?

Evaluated at the end of the night round:
1. Martyr Save
2. Fisherman doctor or vigilante actions
3. Doctor Save
4. Sniper Kill
5. Mafia kill
6. Martyr death (only goes through if the save prevented someone's death)
7. Janitor cleanup
8. Gambler bet
8. Silencer silencing
9. Fisherman tracker/watcher actions

(The order of the gambler and silencer actions isn't important)

Evaluated as they're requested:
0. Fisherman/Cop Check
0. Spy Check
0. Fisherman fish

I'm not sure how Yeano does it, but what I'm implying here is that if a save goes into effect before someone dies, they live through the night. So if you guys kill the doctor, his save will still go into effect. However, if you kill the fisherman, he won't be able to use his GPS locator or Binoculars.

As I explained to the martyr the other night, if he and the doctor pick the same person, the doctor save means that he doesn't die if the mafia targets the person. The fisherman, if they fish out a gun, could technically kill someone before the doctor had time to save them, although a martyr save would still keep them from dying.

Also, the wording on the martyr is a little different from that of the doctor, which is important but I didn't mention ituntil the martyr asked. In the doctor's case, they can keep someone from dying for *any reason*, so they can theoretically keep the martyr from dying even as they fulfill their night action. However, the martyr can only prevent murder, which means their actions only work with a fisherman-vigilante kill, a mafia kill, or a sniper initial kill. The martyr can't keep himself from dying because it wouldn't be a murder, nor can he protect anyone from the collateral damage the sniper might cause.

Yes, the priority list does technically mean that the janitor can bury the body of the martyr if the martyr sacrifices himself for someone. The janitor would have to targe the martyr specifically, however, as the janitor bury doesn't carry over.

August 2, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

And also Xhin, bad mistake telling Feral that lancer was the Doctor. Can't we have ONE DAMN GAME without mistakes like this?

I apologize for being human, jesus. Anyway it was pretty obvious anyway.

Not sure yet who we should kill tonight, but unless you have any objections I'll claim to be planning to kill 9. Then, of course, I'll misfire and hit somebody worthwhile.

IMPORTANT NOTE: the sniper doesn't "misfire", they have a 50% chance of hitting someone else in addition to who they're targeting.

August 2, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

we should implicate Chief. He's been flip-flopping between kill 9 and kill me. Makes him look suspicious.

August 2, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Oh shit, that's not ideal. So it's one shot, 1 or 2 kills... ugh. I'll be out sooner rather than later, it seems. Oh, how I wish I had realized this earlier...

August 3, 2012
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hezekiah

tried to warn you. The good news is we can probably drag this out. We have two inactive players. One of which is innocent. They'll have a hard time finding Zanic since he was active then became inactive thus avoiding suspicion. I just hope he gets back before I get lynched too 'cause then they will be asking questions or for an early end.

August 3, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Oh shit, that's not ideal. So it's one shot, 1 or 2 kills... ugh. I'll be out sooner rather than later, it seems. Oh, how I wish I had realized this earlier...

Since I fucked up the janitor reveal and gave the town leverage (revealed the doctor), I'll give you some advice here. If there's only one kill tonight, and the janitor doesn't bury the body, then you killed them and the mafia abstained from killing in order to implicate you.

August 3, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

*you can claim you killed them as the sniper

August 3, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

the hosts allowed to help the players?

August 3, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

No, but the hosts aren't allowed to leak roles either so I figured this would even out my mistake a bit.

August 3, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

And now we're in an even worse spot, with them having renewed suspicion of you.

Xhin, that is another way I had been thinking of playing this. And with them mentioning how they think the mafia "should" be acting, it's probably less plausible that they'd all be gone. I'll think on this...

August 3, 2012
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hezekiah

not too concerned. It has happened before. Lancer is just trying to get a reaction.

August 3, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

This game is not going to end well for us...

August 3, 2012
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hezekiah

BTW, make sure you don't give out your sensor results until after #85 posts his check result. Cuz if he checks you, they wouldn't believe your post for a second. Which would then get both of us killed. Which means it'd be all up to Zanic.

August 3, 2012
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hezekiah

Spy, not Sensor.

August 3, 2012
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hezekiah

At this point there really is no way we'll win, but we can make them suffer for it. Zanic is still under the radar and will show up as innocent. Hopefully when he returns he'll be able to drag it out and take out some power roles.

August 3, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

You may now choose who to kill. 2 votes for the same option, or whoever the sole vote was at the end of 24 hours. If there's a tie, Dragon in the Shadows' vote takes priority.

The Janitor may choose whose body to bury.

August 3, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

many to choose from. Who besides me does the town highly suspect? We need a really good target for "the sniper".

August 3, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Tough decisions. I don't envy you guys.

August 4, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

You guys only have seven hours left; all other night actions are in. Not rushing you since you technically have several hours, just pointing it out so you don't miss the deadline.

August 4, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Well remember, we're pretending that the mafia isn't able to make a kill tonight. So our intent is to make the night round take its full 24 hours. Therefore:

Kill Trever Leingod

Hide Dragon in the Shadows' body

If Dragon casts a kill vote, I retract my kill vote.

August 4, 2012
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hezekiah

Fair enough. Also you can choose to not hide anyone's body, but I'm assuming the dragon thing is there in case the fisherman got lucky.

August 4, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

I'm back. I'm so sorry guys. I vote to kill Trever Leingod.

August 4, 2012
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Zanic

Yes, I am aware that I can retract my vote. But as you assumed, I'm doing it in case they get lucky as all hell.

90 more minutes!

August 4, 2012
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hezekiah

Got my wires crossed... like I stated in my earlier reply, I retract my vote for Trever so that the round doesn't end early.

In my last reply, I meant to say that I'm aware I can choose not to hide a body.

August 4, 2012
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hezekiah

it is. We aren't hiding the body, right?

August 4, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

didn't read your follow up post. Just got out of work. My mind is still (suprised).

August 4, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

No problem guys. Setting up the next round now.

August 4, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

round might go quickly. Hez, think of something for my "spy" leak. Also if I got inspected I'll comfirm Redack's claim against 85, so you might want to come up with something to implicate him. Something he might say in an arguement between him and Redack.

August 4, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Incidentally, in terms of the plot I'm going to say that you guys took the sniper's gun and used it to shoot Trever Leingod. It's fitting since you guys found and cleaned up his body and since one of you claimed the sniper.

August 4, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Of course I won't actually say it until hezekiah is dead or the game ends, but eh.

August 4, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

I'm done guys. I tried to convince the town that 85 isn't who he claims to be. I hope it helps. For what it's worth, it was a pleasure to play with you guys. Especially you, Hezy.

August 5, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

don't forget to bury me face-down. {:D}

August 5, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Sorry I wasn't here for you Dragon. Good luck in the afterlife (look)

August 5, 2012
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Zanic

You may now choose to kill someone.

The Janitor may choose to bury a body.

Same voting rules as Night 4, except Zanic takes precendence as he's the Godfather.

August 5, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

I'll go with whatever you want hez. You're a better strategist.

August 5, 2012
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Zanic

Sorry about being gone, was at dinner with family then playing board games with friends. However, I think I could use this to continue being town-sided. That'd be simply staying quiet for the beginning of the round, so there'd be a plausible reason for why I wouldn't have Sniper'd somebody last night.

Chief-Gambler
Dragon-Executioner
Red-Silencer
Dooku-Governor
Hezy-Janitor
Shadow-Sniper
Kyon-Townie
Feral-Martyr
Yoshi-Fisherman (vest) (checked)
Trever-Townie
Thunder-Townie (checked)
Roxas-Spy
Lancer-Doctor
CtR-Townie
#85-Cop
Zanic-Godfather
Majora-Double-Voter
9-Mafioso

Seems like Yoshi, #85 and lancer will be safe toniht. Leaves us with Chief, Dooku, Kyon, Feral, Thunder, Lancer, CtR and Majora alive. Suppose we can take out the Governor since they'd be more likely to prevent a lynch of a townie than you or me. Otherwise we can start working on the Cop-Doctor-Martyr train... so actually,
I vote to kill white lancer and hide his body. As I understand it, the body won't be hidden if the Martyr chooses lancer.

August 5, 2012
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hezekiah

Fair enough. I vote for white lancer as well.

August 5, 2012
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Zanic

white lancer was the Doctor.

August 5, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Sweet. Let's sway it towards Feral now.

August 5, 2012
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Zanic

Sorry Hez. We probably won't win, but I've got to try to keep myself alive.

August 5, 2012
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Zanic

Okay, my thoughts on how to finish out the game... you're not in a good spot, but good news is we'll have negated the Cop (and therefore, Yoshi's magnifying glass). Chief (Gambler), Dooku (Governor), Feral (Martyr), Yoshi (Fisherman), Kyon (Townie), Thunder (Townie), CtR (Townie), #85 (Cop), Majora (DV) remain for you. Try to leave Feral for now, there's suspicion on him. Majora may be useful if you can get him voting with you. Leave the vanilla townies alive as long as you can, lowers the chances of them randomly hitting you. Dooku's probably going to be hazard, probably should kill him tonight. After that, probably try for Majora / Feral / #85, leaving the townies and Chief for after that and ignoring Yoshi (You can't afford to spend 2 turns killing him, since he's got the Vest).
1. Dooku
2. Majora
3. Feral (ranked lower in hopes that he will get lynched)
4. #85 (not because cop, but because good logic on display)
5-8. Chief/CtR/Kyon/Thunder. Order's not too important here, but that's how dangerous I think each one would be to you.
And if you get this far, you'll have one (you vs Yoshi, rules state mafia wins if they have the same numbers as the town).

Don't go too hard after anybody in particular, the town seeing that you're pushing to lynch people shown as townies would probably make them more suspicious of you.

August 6, 2012
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hezekiah

Okay. Thanks Hez. I was going to kill Dooku tonight anyway. Mostly because 85 is useless now, Yoshi is suspicious to them, and Feral is suspicious.

I'm actually okay with where I am. The town is so chaotic haha.

August 6, 2012
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Zanic

The main problem is that they'll "know" the Godfather is one of the plain townies. That's you, Kyon, CtR and Thunder. Others are somewhat suspicious too, but you'll need some serious luck to pull this out.

August 6, 2012
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hezekiah

Yeah. It's very improbable that we'll win. If I get backed into a corner, I might role claim a power role.

August 6, 2012
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Zanic

That's a real poor idea, unless you've got nothing left to go on. You may consider "sowing the seeds" right away tomorrow, almost doing what Chief did (some nonsense post that you can later explain was indicating your role). Would have to be real subtle about it. If anything, you might be able to get away with a Spy reveal, given 1) how quickly he died, and 2) plausibility of getting absolutely nothing useful, as if we were making an extra reply each time to mask our content.

August 6, 2012
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hezekiah

Yes. I was only going to use it as a last resort. And I was going to do spy.

August 6, 2012
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Zanic

Zanic, as the sole member of the mafia, you may decide on who gets to die tonight.

August 6, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Lucky me {:s}

I vote to kill Count Dooku. Not much of a choice.

August 6, 2012
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Zanic

Of course I wouldn't doubt it if Feral actually chose not to protect 85

August 6, 2012
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Zanic

Count Dooku will die tonight, which the round is about to end. (shortest round ever!)

August 6, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Glad I was apart of it! {;)}

August 6, 2012
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Zanic

Zanic, as the sole member of the mafia, you may decide on who gets to die tonight.

(how the hell are you still alive?!? Luckiest mafia member ever)

August 6, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Hahaha. It's wit and strategy. I'm hoping to get CtR lynched today.

I vote to kill Feral.

August 6, 2012
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Zanic

Zanic, as the sole member of the mafia, you may decide on who gets to die tonight (again (again)).

August 6, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Hahaha. Probably wont make it another day.

I vote to kill chiefsonny.

August 6, 2012
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Zanic

And could you hold the day round for like 45 minutes? I'll be busy and I want to be able to defend myself.

August 6, 2012
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Zanic

Will do.

August 6, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Or at least until I get back please.

August 6, 2012
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Zanic

You're the only one who's done a night action so far anyway so no problem.

I'll hold off on the next day round until you reply to this thread next.

August 6, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Okay. Thanks {:D}

August 6, 2012
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Zanic

Until you reply after this post I mean. I can only see who replied to a thread last in the mafia panel.

So,

DO NOT REPLY TO THIS POST UNTIL YOURE READY.

August 6, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Unfortunately:

2. Fisherman doctor or vigilante actions
3. Doctor Save
4. Sniper Kill
5. Mafia kill


The fisherman killed you before you could kill chiefsonny. Hence why I'm not waiting until you return to end the night round.

August 6, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

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