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game ix thread 3 day 3 a tumbleweed blows by

Posted July 28, 2012 by Xhin

Day 3

During the night, white lancer was shot and left for dead. But the next day he was fine, just a little bruised. Hopefully he will have a speedy recovery!

Roster

1. chiefsonny
2. Dragon in the Shadows
3. Redack -- Silencer
4. Count Dooku
5. hezekiah
6. Shadowwalked -- ???
7. Kyon
8. Feral
9. Black Yoshi
10. Trever Leingod
11. White Thunder
12. `Roxas`
13. white lancer -- Got targeted in Night 2 but was saved.
14. CtR Black
15. #85 -- Claimed Cop
16. Zanic
17. MajorasMask9
18. 9

Starting Mafia-Town Ratio: 5-13
Total living players: 16

Mafia Roles: Godfather, Silencer, Executioner, Janitor, Mafioso
Town Roles: Townie, Double-Voter, Cop, Doctor, Sniper, Governor, Fisherman, Gambler, Martyr, Spy

72 hours or 9 votes for the same option.

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Interesting, the mafia didn't move against the cop-claimer?

July 28, 2012
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Count Dooku

And the person they moved against was protected by the doctor... fairly lucky coincidence.

July 28, 2012
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Count Dooku

I'm tempted to believe Redack when he said that #85 was also a member of the Mafia.


I've got a couple of players in mind that we should watch carefully, but nothing conclusive about their roles.

July 28, 2012
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`Roxas`

I'm not ready to believe him. Too risky to take a chance and listen to something a dying mafia member said. He said he doesn't want to hurt the rest of the mafia, but revealing #85 would indirectly do that, so even for a "revenge" thing, I don't think he'd legitimately out #85 as a mafia member.

July 28, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Guess we have to wait for our cop. I got nothing...

July 28, 2012
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Feral

1) It's too easy for #85 to claim cop, should Shadow be the real Cop. He wouldn't get a counter-claim against him, so he'd be free to dispose of us as he pleases. While it is entirely possible that he really is the Cop, I think we need to look for the zipper to his sheep costume. I think he is the Mafioso.

2) Call it intuition, but I believe either Trever or chief to be the Godfather.

3) white lancer is the Doctor. As I said in #1, I don't believe #85 is the real Cop. If lancer also believes this, he'd save himself as the Doctor.

4) Again, just intuition, but I think Feral may well be the Janitor; if not Feral, than MM9 would be my second best guess.

A message to the Mafia:

July 28, 2012
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`Roxas`

I'm tempted to believe Redack when he said that #85 was also a member of the Mafia.

And I still do. And it's because of this statement redack made.

Honestly considering not playing again because of this

He had to be pissed to make a statement like that imo.

July 28, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

The biggest problem I see with #85 being mafia is that I don't feel there's a reasonable way to explain what happened.

If Shadowwalked was the cop, then the idea of one of the mafia members falsly claiming cop would have to be discussed before doing it, to make sure they pick the right person to claim cop and pick the right person to kill to enforce their claim. It wouldn't be something that one person would see, jump in and execute some massive plan like that without consulting other members first. If I were mafia and wanted to claim cop, and also wanted to kill another mafia member to look legit, I'd kill the vanilla mafioso or godfather, but not the silencer.

I don't buy that they would have had an argument that got #85 mad at Redack. They only had one day round and one night round as mafia together. What could they have possibly argued about? From what I can tell, they barely talk to each other outside the game (I could be wrong!) and I can't think of anything game-related that they could disagree with so much as to make #85 want to kill Redack.

Then on top of that you'd need to consider that the mafia would have had to have been lucky enough to target the cop out of everyone else on Night 1, with nothing to go on.

I don't think it's likely that #85 is mafia.

July 28, 2012
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MajorasMask9

agree that Redack's statement and the #85 claim sound pretty plausible to me...And #85 has yet to make a counter claim which is suspicious to me. Does the Spy have anything usefull?

July 28, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

chief to be the Godfather

Let's put this matter to rest right now. In the words of Feral I'm just a worthless townie, like the other townies that don't have "Power Roles
Feral quote:

Nobody likes you. Seek professional help. *Holds up Social Worker license from last game*

So if you want to lynch me to show I'm right, go ahead. I'll just leave you with these words.

You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money when you're sittin' at the table.
There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealin's done.

July 28, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

3) white lancer is the Doctor. As I said in #1, I don't believe #85 is the real Cop. If lancer also believes this, he'd save himself as the Doctor.

I was thinking this, but I wish you hadn't said it. We don't need the doctor revealed.

July 28, 2012
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Count Dooku

Oh, wow, dodged a bullet there. Or, well, I guess it grazed me, but no permanent harm done. ^_^

Personally, I tend to lean towards trusting #85 for now, mostly because he gave us a powerful Mafia role last round. Like Majora said, if this were part of some elaborate plan to get the Mafia ahead, he probably wouldn't have thrown out the Silencer role, and Redack's also pretty good at staying under the radar so I have a hard time believing he's the least valuable of that Mafia team. Also, going off of previous games, I don't think #85 was a big fan of previous team betrayals and Redack was actually one of the bigger team betrayals, so it'd be a little hypocritical of Red to get all pissed off about #85 pulling something like this.

The other thing is that if #85 ever gives us a false verdict, the jig will be up. That means that IF he were trying to play us, he'd have to either hand us more Mafia members along the way or never come up with a Guilty verdict on anyone else (meaning he, at the least, won't be causing us to vote off our own). It's not an especially viable plan in the long run IMO.

July 28, 2012
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white lancer

I'm just throwing my thoughts in, since I missed the last day round. For now, unless 85 has something to pull up, my vote will go for Trever.

July 29, 2012
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`Roxas`

Also, if anything, I think the fact that they would have voted for a power role to make us believe 85 is a stronger pull than not.

July 29, 2012
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`Roxas`

THEORIES, WE NEED THEORIES!

July 29, 2012
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`Roxas`

Also, if anything, I think the fact that they would have voted for a power role to make us believe 85 is a stronger pull than not.


I'd agree that might be the better tactical move, but it doesn't really fit here because of how quick #85's claim was at the start of the day round. That isn't the kind of decision you make without talking it through with the rest of your members. They would have just received the results of Shadowwalked's role when the day round started. It just doesn't make sense to me.

July 29, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Unless they anticipated that Shadowwalked was the Cop, which means they could plan through the night.

July 29, 2012
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`Roxas`

Chief is starting to make me suspect him. I mean voting for Trever and then asking for theories.

July 29, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

I'm going off of my theories, which Trever is indeed stated. I just want other persons input on my theories or for others to state their own theory.

July 29, 2012
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`Roxas`

Unless they anticipated that Shadowwalked was the Cop, which means they could plan through the night.


They wouldn't have any reason to think Shadowwalked was the cop, and I doubt they would have planned for something like that as early as Day 1. Hypothetical strategies rarely came up in games when I was mafia, especially that early. And if they did, it was something very vague.

I still think this is as simple as a mafia member that's about to get lynched calling the cop a fake to get them lynched as well.

July 29, 2012
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MajorasMask9

That is quite possible, but I'm looking at both possible scenarios: #85 is really the Cop and Redack was lying, or #85 is Mafia and Redack was telling the truth. I'm giving #85 the chance to speak, which is why I voted for somebody in my theory rather than for him. I just don't fully believe #85's claim just yet.

July 29, 2012
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`Roxas`

have too many theories at the moment so I'm waiting for the cop and/or spy to fill in some gaps. Until then or if some one comes up with something solid I'm holding my vote.

July 29, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

I got an innocent check last night. Might not even be worth sharing because it could just get us off track as they could still be the godfather.

I'm not mafia. Some of you are buying into the final stir the pot attempt by them. Keep your eye on me sure, I understand this game there are no guarantees, but I hope getting Red earned *some* trust.

My theory on why the mafia didn't target me :

1. They assumed I would be protected.

2. It's better taking a shot at the doctor so they have free reign to take out whoever.

July 29, 2012
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#85

I don't think the Spy should reveal unless they've got something that could actually be helpful. And we need to be careful about stray votes--as long as we monitor where our votes are it should be fine, but we don't want to run over the limit for the Executioner until we're sure we want to kill that person.

If the Fisherman is still with us, they should probably be fishing for Doctor/Cop abilities. Those will probably be the most useful to us at this point in the game.

July 29, 2012
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white lancer

I got an innocent check last night. Might not even be worth sharing because it could just get us off track as they could still be the godfather.

Better to share it than not to IMO. They could still be the Godfather but if they turn up innocent there's a much smaller chance of them being Mafia.

July 29, 2012
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white lancer

I agree with lancer.

July 29, 2012
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`Roxas`

I got an innocent check last night. Might not even be worth sharing because it could just get us off track as they could still be the godfather.

We all know this, but if you die tonight we won't have anything to go on. Share your results regardless. When we eventually get the godfather we'll have a pool of unquestionably innocent people.

July 29, 2012
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Count Dooku

Mhm, share all results gotten.

July 29, 2012
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`Roxas`

Alright, I checked Thunder and he is innocent.

July 29, 2012
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#85

Sorry I'm late -- I was bowling with friends and wasn't able to get on until now. Seems like we're in a bit of a pickle, with everyone throwing out their own theories; at this rate we won't even get enough same votes for the Executioner action, let alone a lynch.

That said, unless someone else counterclaims or 85 gives us a verdict which is proven untrue, I'm inclined to believe he's the Cop. Roxas, on the other hand...his theories bear some merit, but even this exhausted brain can sense something's up. Holding my vote for now until I've had a good night's sleep and can read this thread over more carefully.

July 29, 2012
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Black Yoshi

Trever has been dealing with computer problems, and was out Thursday + Friday.

Just informing you guys.

July 29, 2012
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Feral

Alright, I checked Thunder and he is innocent.

Woo!

It seems more likely that 85 is telling the truth, but then again we can't be certain. After all, Redack's tale is entirely plausible. I think we should discuss at length who he should investigate tonight to make sure we have the most likely guilty candidate in our sights. That way we have the greatest chance of getting a guilty verdict and verifying 85's claim.

With one Mafia down and only one townie knocked out, we don't need to rush to kill someone today. I will hold my vote for now despite my suspicions and wait to see if something else comes out.

July 29, 2012
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White Thunder

So there is a 75% chance Shadow was a power role, not very good odds.

I think we should discuss at length who he should investigate tonight to make sure we have the most likely guilty candidate in our sights. That way we have the greatest chance of getting a guilty verdict and verifying 85's claim.

I don't disagree but I should point out that tossing out accusations can lead to people role revealing early, so everyone should keep that in mind.

July 29, 2012
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#85

Okay, Chief is starting to make me suspect him. I mean voting for Trever and then asking for theories.

Then lynch me. That's not hard to do. The most that can happen is you bring the town numbers down.

And it was `Roxas` not me that voted for Trever and ask for theories. Do you even read the post?

July 29, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Xhin, Yeano, one of you guy's want to fix the tally thing so the votes for Round 3 show up in round 3 please.

July 29, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Alright, it's morning here and I'm awake. Down to business.

Now, Roxas presents some theories based on "just intuition." I happen to know that the last time we went on "just intuition," it was in the Star Wars games and it cost us a Townie. We don't have nearly as many Townies now as we did then, so we need to be careful.

Just to let you know, I'm babysitting today/last night, so I won't be able to get on until later this afternoon. Voting now, will change if something else comes up.

July 29, 2012
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Black Yoshi

Xhin, Yeano, one of you guy's want to fix the tally thing so the votes for Round 3 show up in round 3 please.

After I posted this, Black Yoshi voted and it posted in Round 3. The vote by `Roxas` for Trever Leingod does not show up in Round 3.
Thanks.

July 29, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

You don't want to vote for me, Yoshi.

July 29, 2012
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`Roxas`

Oh, and why not?

July 29, 2012
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Black Yoshi

sorry about that Chief. It was late and I was tired. I guess I just got confused. I'm gonna cast my vote for the person I think is most likely mafia.

July 29, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

You'll just be making a mistake, and if Redack is right, y'all would be left in the Dark.

July 30, 2012
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`Roxas`

Well, we'll just see what happens.

July 30, 2012
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Black Yoshi

Finally back... hopefully that's the end of my PC troubles.

My input real quick, I highly doubt 85 is Mafia - basically for every reason lancer stated.

Also, Roxas, your intuition is way off :P Though for some reason I don't think you're Mafia, rather just making a shot in the dark.

I'll check in later before casting a vote.

July 30, 2012
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Noctis Lucis Caelum

I honestly feel clueless...

Because he likley won't retaliate and is as good a guess as any at this point...

Feral votes for 9

July 30, 2012
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Feral

{:/}

because he hasn't said anything doesn't mean he's mafia. New player remember. He could have forgotten that he signed up.

July 30, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

The governor has gone insane and declared sovereignty from the town. Unfortunately, there is no Psychiatrist to cure him. He has issued the following edict:

"By order of the Governor, henceforth known as Your Overlord His Highness, littering within a two mile radius of the Governor's Mansion is punishable by death without the possibility of parole."

July 30, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

I forgot about mafia for a sec.

Anyways, I've had a gut feeling for awhile, and based on behavior from the last day, I'm going to go ahead with that suspicion.

July 30, 2012
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Kyon

Since we didn't lose anyone today, I don't think we need to kill someone today. I'll have another check and we will get some info there to make a move.

July 30, 2012
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#85

Not willing to risk a kill on anyone with what's been brought up.

July 30, 2012
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MajorasMask9

I'll go ahead and jump on that train. Lots of good suspicions but with one Mafia gone already there's no reason to be hasty.

July 30, 2012
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White Thunder

ballsack. 85 lives another day

July 30, 2012
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CtR Black

i mean

July 30, 2012
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CtR Black

So there is a 75% chance Shadow was a power role, not very good odds.

I didn't realize how many Town-sided power roles we had this game. In that case, I kinda want to suggest a mass role-claiming. It's a little bit risky but I think time is of the essence because I don't know how much longer #85 will be able to stay alive (assuming he's the Cop) and a mass role-claiming would narrow down the list of possible suspects.

July 30, 2012
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white lancer

Definitely unusual to have this many power roles, but they are not as powerful or useful as they used to be - I guess that's the trade off.

There's no positive information yet and nothing good enough to arouse suspicion to merit a kill, so no-kill is my call today.

July 30, 2012
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Noctis Lucis Caelum

guess I'll go with the crowd again.

July 30, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

Oh well, why not.

Feral changes vote to No Kill.

July 30, 2012
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Feral

Seems everyone's going No Kill. Well, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. My suspicions of Roxas still stand; Cop, check Roxas tonight and see what you get on him.

July 30, 2012
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Black Yoshi

count 9 No Kill votes.

July 30, 2012
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Dragon in the Shadows

(Yes, there were 9 votes. I counted feral's bold as I think he's on mobile)

Night 3

During the day round, the town elected to not kill one of their own. As they walked back to their houses they noticed a solid gold statue of the governor that has been erected while they weren't looking. The town voted to never vote again.

Roster

1. chiefsonny
2. Dragon in the Shadows
3. Redack -- Silencer
4. Count Dooku
5. hezekiah
6. Shadowwalked -- ???
7. Kyon
8. Feral
9. Black Yoshi
10. Trever Leingod
11. White Thunder
12. `Roxas`
13. white lancer -- Got targeted in Night 2 but was saved.
14. CtR Black
15. #85 -- Claimed Cop
16. Zanic
17. MajorasMask9
18. 9

Starting Mafia-Town Ratio: 5-13
Total living players: 16

Mafia Roles: Godfather, Silencer, Executioner, Janitor, Mafioso
Town Roles: Townie, Double-Voter, Cop, Doctor, Sniper, Governor, Fisherman, Gambler, Martyr, Spy

24 hours or until all night roles have made their action.

July 30, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

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