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Posted December 22, 2014 by Lady Flare

Welcome Grinches (I just know I’m going to mess up one of these times and write Ginch instead of Grinch.)

You don’t like how Christmas is celebrated in Frostyville. All those gifts from Santa are too warm and fuzzy for your tastes. Ok, the Bottle of Strong Spirits is all right, but the Reindeer Suit or the Angel? Come on, really? So one of you decided to show the residents of Frostyville how to really celebrate Christmas.

Pirate_Ninja is Bad Santa: you get to give one of your Grinches a gift each Night. You cannot give a gift to the same person twice and each gift can only be given once. Your vote will also be the tie breaker if one is needed for the Night Kill.

List of Gifts
Giant Candle
Teddy
Lump of Coal

Ghowilo is the Dark Elf: If something should happen to Bad Santa, you get to rummage through his stuff until you find the gifts. Unfortunately your conscience catches up with you at this point and you decide to hand them out in Bad Santa’s stead. You also cannot receive a gift from Bad Santa. Sorry.

Chaos Incarnate, CtR Black, and Castrael are Grinches: You guys get the gifts. Yay!

Good Luck!

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Bad Santa or Pirate Claus? You may now give a Grinch a gift.

December 22, 2014
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Lady Flare

I like this team. I'm going to ask for the bottle of spirits during the day round.

2 questions, this is like normal mafia in that we vote people to die at night, just not tonight?

Also, the elf thread. Is that just for Santa, will it also include who he gives gifts to or will they get a different thread bc if they're in the same thread as him that would make my afore stated plan to steal the spirits a very bad idea. Also I don't think you can tag in mafia so that would let them know who's who..

December 22, 2014
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Ghowilo

Just saw Santa's sleigh... Will you be making a seperate elf thread when the gifts are handed out though?

December 22, 2014
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Ghowilo

Ugh Redack is going to find out right away that I'm "Mafia". Sigh, at least I get gifts. Muahaha.

December 22, 2014
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Castrael

hyeheheh...it's festive scheming time



sooooo there are three gifts and three recipients, with no repeats allowed. Meaning that if any of you die before getting a gift, we lose one gift-power. And that'd be a shame, since they all seem pretty useful. The Candle kill will be handy at any time, while I think the Coal is probably at its strongest in the late game when there's a better chance of a kill being seen. And there's always the chance that we pick up some goody-goody gifts as well, which'd certainly be nice.

thoughts for the first night?

December 22, 2014
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Pirate_Ninja

Right now the Elf doesn't have any actions. But when Santa dies I will have to tell them which gifts have been given (no repeats) and who has received them. Although now that I think about it, I don't have to tell them who got what. And they have their own threads so they don't know each other. Does that answer your question, Ghowilo?

December 22, 2014
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Lady Flare

If cas thinks she's going to get caught early, we should probably have her take and use the first gift. Or anyone who thinks they'd be targeted early.

Also, it be beneficial to leave some of the players who have a reputation of "being good players and therefore get targeted by the mafia early" alive. We could use the "they're usually killed early so they might be mafia" reasoning. Of course we shouldn't be the first ones to point this out.

As for first kill, anybody should do.

December 23, 2014
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CtR Black

No killing tonight. Just gift giving.

December 23, 2014
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Lady Flare

If cas thinks she's going to get caught early, we should probably have her take and use the first gift. Or anyone who thinks they'd be targeted early.


I think CtR Black should get the first gift. With his random return (kidding), I don't think he'll be suspected right away. We should encourage a no kill on the first day though.



December 23, 2014
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Castrael

We should encourage a no kill on the first day though.

See I think we should should encourage absolutely nothing {:3}

December 23, 2014
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CtR Black

I dunno. For now I'll just go along with whatever you guys choose.

December 23, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

I think we should try to get them to kill off one of their own. Since I'm known for detesting no kills I'd be a good candidate for doing so.

December 23, 2014
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Ghowilo

right now I have no clue what my schedule is gonna look like today (I know I have errands to run, but not when...), so I'ma put something in now just in case - if anything happens to change my mind and I have the chance before the night ends, I might.

Castrael has been a good bad girl this year, but since I don't seem to have a bloodstained baseball bat to give out she'll have to settle for a Giant Candle. Spread some holiday warmth :J

December 23, 2014
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Pirate_Ninja

Awe, Pirate~chan. I would have hit you with that bat for calling me a bad girl. :P

Can we use it tonight? If so, who do you guys recommend? I say Hindenburg, but ya know, I think he's just a snowman.

December 23, 2014
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Castrael

Sorry, Cas you don't actually get your gift until morning. And check the Night Priority list as well.

I'll give you guys a little more time while I write something for the main thread.

Cas will receive the Giant Candle

December 23, 2014
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Lady Flare

Oh, that's fine. I was actually on mobile when I typed that. I checked the Night Priorities when I got on my laptop though :)

December 23, 2014
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Castrael

All right I'm ending the Night Round now.

Pirate Claus gives the Giant Candle to Cas.

December 23, 2014
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Lady Flare

Hmm, I'm not fond of killing hindy yet, afraid it will cast doubts on me. I say we try to get him lynched though. Be back with my preferred target momentarily.

December 23, 2014
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Ghowilo

I say we melt Roxas or the bandit.

December 23, 2014
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Ghowilo

Also, I apologize in advance for chaotic gameplay, if I don't do it they'll know something is up and suspect me anyways.

Also, if it looks like one of us will be lynched, one or two of us should jump on the bandwagon to avoid suspicions.

December 23, 2014
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Ghowilo

I thought you included that... I really hope they don't deduce I'm a Grinch now that you said that and I asked for rum -.-

December 23, 2014
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Ghowilo

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't think of that. I checked Night 0 and I saw that I didn't include it in Santa's description. Since Pirate and Bandit brought up the possibility of Grinch's getting and perhaps using Santa gifts, I thought I should clarify that you guys can't use them.

Although you asking for rum sort of goes with your GT persona.

December 23, 2014
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Lady Flare

Yeah that's why I did it. Fuck the gag against Xhin has turned against me... to prove my innocence hmmm...

December 23, 2014
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Ghowilo

Though if one of y'all, I vote CTR Black, could vote against Xhin that'd be great...

December 23, 2014
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Ghowilo

Second thought, kill Redack

December 24, 2014
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Ghowilo

Also if y'all could come online and though some support my way that would be great.

December 24, 2014
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Ghowilo

I had work today and I'm about to go to bed as well. Tomorrow, I might be busy but I definitely won't be on Christmas day.

I really think you should be careful. I never understood your "chaotic gameplay" and I understand you're new at it. I'll try my best to help you out.

December 24, 2014
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Castrael

The point of it was that when I am mafia they'll have reason to doubt that I am {;)}

December 24, 2014
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Ghowilo

I think we should ensure that Ghowilo lives if we can, at least for this round. It would be preferable if we could somehow make this end in a tie though. So that no one gets killed, and the town has nothing to go on and everyone's confused.

I also think it's overall better for to go for Xhin because some townies are already voting for him. Also what Jo Nathan said. People, and I don't want to kill Redack for that very reason. Ghowilo, if it gets late in the game and you need to, I suggest switching your vote to Xhin to save yourself.

But remember, we'll probably be much better off if this ends up in a tie.

December 24, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

I don't think we can manage it at this point, but I'm going to do what I can to instill all sorts of doubt in them, starting with a role claim and possibly ending with a false admission as to who the other mafia members are.

I was thinking I could tag Xhin as the bad santa and peg his not changing his vote on him being busy and inactive... hopefully he doesn't post today.

I'm not sure who else I'll be throwing into said mix, but one of them will probably be one of y'all if y'all think it smart, because if they kill off one of their own after I've proclaimed them a grinch and realize that I was lying it could buy you some time?

I'm probably going to sleep soon, not sure, but what do y'all think.

December 24, 2014
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Ghowilo

The point of it was that when I am mafia they'll have reason to doubt that I am


How is that going to counter your claim? That'll definitely give them a reason to think you're mafia. If you start role claiming earlier in the game, they'll automatically assume your Mafia because of your excuses. I hope I'm not sounding like a bitch. I'm being honest.

December 24, 2014
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Castrael

How is saying I'm one of the 10 of you such a big roleclaim? People say they're townies all the time... Or maybe they don't. Anyways, I'm hoping what I said was enough, but if not when it comes down to it, I'll be posting this video along with the following message.

"Fuck it, I'm going to pull a Hindenburg and take the rest of the mafia down with me. Xhin is the Bad Santa (which I think they'll believe considering he tried to take the vote away from me somewhat and me defending him), LLightvayne, Black Yoshi, and The Bandit are the grinches, and I'm the dark elf"



December 24, 2014
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Ghowilo

As for sounding like a bitch, no, you sound more like an experienced player.

December 24, 2014
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Ghowilo

Awe, thanks. I've played the game for 3 years now (I think) and I observe the game a lot when I'm not playing.

I'm going to wait for P_N and see what he thinks. I hope it's not a last minute vote from us because that would be bad.

December 24, 2014
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Castrael

Yeah don't do that, I don't want y'all to expose yourselves. Y'all can with without me.

December 24, 2014
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Ghowilo

win* without me.

December 24, 2014
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Ghowilo

Lady Flare, I may be asking for too much but I don't know when you're going to end the round. If I'm asleep (i.e., inactive, not posting) could you post that message up there on my behalf a couple hours before you end the round? The youtube link is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KjC5ZYpiS8

December 24, 2014
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Ghowilo

ghow you really backed yourself into a wall bro. It'd be really beneficial if I were on the side for lyncing you, so...

And I'd recommend chaos to not say anything else about ghow in the main

December 24, 2014
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CtR Black

I didn't say I was going to expose ourselves. I merely wanted PN's opinion before I do anything else.

But, I agree with Ctr Black on this one.

December 24, 2014
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Castrael

Yeah let's milk the crap out of the situation. You may not get a surviving point, Ghow, but you may have helped us get a W.

December 24, 2014
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CtR Black

@Ghowilo: The Round won't end until tomorrow around 2pm EST. Or maybe earlier if you get 12 votes. I'm not sure what my schedule will be. I'm supposed to go out for dinner tonight but I think I'm coming down with the flu and starting to feel like crap. We'll see what happens. But I don't think I can post on your behalf.

December 24, 2014
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Lady Flare

Sorry, Ghow.

Also, feel better soon, yea here?

December 24, 2014
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Castrael

Fuck I'm sorry I just woke up and I did a quick copy/paste {fp}

December 24, 2014
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Ghowilo

Here are my dying suggestions...

Melt Xhin kill redack.

December 24, 2014
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Ghowilo

Pirate Ninja, you may now give a Grinch a gift.

Cas may use her Giant Candle to kill someone

You may all decide upon the Mafia Kill.

December 24, 2014
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Lady Flare

People we may have to avoid throwing suspicion on (everyone Ghowilo incinuated was mafia)

Xhin, Roxas, LLightvayne, Black Yoshi, and The Bandit

I think we should kill one or two from that list. If it's proven that one of them is innocent it'll likely be assumed they're all innocent and Ghowilo was lying.

Also, I wouldn't mind getting the coal. Then the following nights I can give the vote that would have one of us be the killer

December 24, 2014
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CtR Black

I think we should kill one or two from that list. If it's proven that one of them is innocent it'll likely be assumed they're all innocent and Ghowilo was lying.

So we wouldn't want to be stuck late-game with them.

December 24, 2014
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CtR Black

And if Cas is using her candle tonight, she might as well give the killing vote

December 24, 2014
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CtR Black

holy shit what just happened

I haven't been online since yesterday afternoon because of holiday stuff (I should've realized sooner that "we're inviting company over and making Christmas dinner" means "we're inviting company over and PN is making Christmas dinner")...I'm sorry :\

still, I don't think there was much I could've done anyway since "chaotic" tends to be a pretty unsafe way to play imo - it trends toward guilt, leading to a mislynch if you're innocent and a valuable teammate loss if you're mafia. If anything could've helped I think a Santa claim might have been worth a shot (it'd kinda explain panic over early votes, and might lure out info on who the real one is). But speculation on the past isn't going to get us anywhere. Ghowilo will be missed (fedup)

any other opinions/preferences on night actions? I have Hooker and Ninja powers to give out to two of you, and while I don't think Cas is in immediate danger of being lynched it might not be bad to get the extra Candle kill in right away - the longer we wait, the more Santa gifts will have been passed out that could potentially interfere. Killing people off will also help our odds of wasted gifts (killing someone who has one, increasing our chances of getting one, etc). I didn't actually expect us to be able to use the Santa gifts, btw - I just meant that if we get one it's wasted because nobody else can have it.

December 24, 2014
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Pirate_Ninja

I definitely think cas should use the candle tonight.

Just need to decide who to kill

December 25, 2014
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CtR Black

Hey. Checking in. I don't like what Ghowilo did but what's done is done. Now, we can't vote for those people Ghowilo listed. I'm worried that they'll figure us out.

Anyway, I need to look at the thread again for the players list since I'm on phone atm.

December 25, 2014
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Castrael

Actually, I don't even wanna think on it. Chiefsonny would be my kill.

If you guys have any objections, let me know. If not, my dearest friend:

Please allow me to use my gift, Giant Candle, on Chiefsonny.

December 25, 2014
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Castrael

Alright. Well I'd suggest we take on someone Ghowilo mentioned. I'd go with Black Yoshi

December 25, 2014
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CtR Black

I think we should kill The Bandit personally. But that's just a feeling. But I'll go with Black Yoshi too. It can probably wait.

But I totally agree with Cas on also killing Chiefsonny. It's probably best to have him out of the way. His gut feelings seem to usually turn out right.

As to the gifts, I have little idea what to do with them here, your guess it probably as good as mine.

December 25, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

I like the idea of keeping The Bandit alive. He pretty much wants random kills, and that could work in our favor.

Just gotta remember who kill with be scrutinized. If we kill someone who brings up points against someone, that someone is gonna have suspicion thrown on them. So with random deaths, people will be chasing after something that isn't there.

Probably won't be here after a couple hours.

Merry Christmas everyone

December 25, 2014
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CtR Black

It's probably best to have him out of the way. His gut feelings seem to usually turn out right.


That's my whole idea, yes.

@Lady Flare: I think it might be best to put Christmas day on hold or give extra hours? I don't remember if we need a full vote on a Mafia kill or not. Pirate's been busy.

December 25, 2014
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Castrael

Oh, and Merry Christmas!

December 25, 2014
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Castrael

but the thing about hosting family Christmas is that I'm at least home with internet access today :J

no objections to candle-ing chief

tentatively going to give the Lump of Coal to CtR Black

not so sure on the regular kill though. The typical early-game voting followed by the flurry of accusations and stuff is quite a tangle. The suggestion of Black Yoshi might be good, though his voting for Hindy gives me pause as it could potentially help either way - alive, if he keeps supporting the idea, or dead, if people wonder "why him? oh, maybe he was onto something" - picking out which way people will head is tricky. If you guys like the idea, though, it's fine by me and I don't see a need to object (so consider that a supporting vote for "kill BY"). Ghowilo's suggestion of Xhin would probably be my next thought for now.


also merry christmas <3 <g3

December 25, 2014
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Pirate_Ninja

So far 2 votes for Black Yoshi

Going on a five-hour car ride, be back on when I can

December 25, 2014
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CtR Black

The Night Round will supposedly end at 6pm EST, but I'm feeling marginally better and won't be home to update it. So the Round will end let's say 11 pm EST. That should give you guys a bit of time to settle on a final decision.

December 25, 2014
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Lady Flare

more like 3 really, unless someone has a sudden inspired change of heart

December 25, 2014
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Pirate_Ninja

All right so it's

Pirate gives CtR Black the Lump of Coal

Cas uses the Giant Candle on Chiefsonny

Mafia night kill is Black Yoshi

Correct?

December 25, 2014
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Lady Flare

I'll be okay with Black Yoshi. Not much happened during Day 1.

December 25, 2014
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Castrael

so Santa's first gift was the Gingerbread Badge (which I figured would be the case and would've likely done myself if I were Lame Santa). Would've been bad to intercept that one, actually, because the fact that we can't use it would basically tell Santa that he gave it to a guilty player when it wasn't used to present any verdicts. Speaking of which, we're halfway clear on that front with an innocent check being posted today {y}

the temporary nature of that gift is really dangerous btw and I'm worried about it. Since it's only good for two uses, the recipient is pretty much free to reveal the names they checked tomorrow - or even today if they bank on us not Hookering them. In retrospect, it probably would've been smart to pass out the Teddy last night for that reason just in case...but I guess we'll see if that matters. Hell, if we're lucky, maybe chief or BY was the one who did the investigating.


Not much happened during Day 1.



December 25, 2014
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Pirate_Ninja

Don't give me that look, Pirate-chan.

I'm hoping to kill The Bandit next around.

December 26, 2014
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Castrael

Why the bandit?

December 26, 2014
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CtR Black

The Giant Candle was one free night kill. You can only use the Mafia group kill now.

December 26, 2014
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Lady Flare

I forget. Let me check the thread again. I was at work when I said that.

December 26, 2014
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Castrael

I have no idea. I'll go with what ever you guys want.

December 26, 2014
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Castrael

Xhin knows something, but he won't say how.

December 26, 2014
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CtR Black

Did you get a gift pn?

December 26, 2014
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CtR Black

I don't think he necessarily "knows something," or that his immediate vote was even necessarily a serious one. Could just be a cheeky followup to what happened last round where he immediately voted for Ghowilo and it ended up being a good move that gained traction thanks to the reaction it earned - Xhin's no dummy but he does fool around (see: his playful responses to the Double Agent last game where he didn't want to share his identity with a confirmed innocent who could've passed it on to other confirmed innocents). At the moment, I'm hoping people pick up on a lousy lead from the current discussion because "two of us with one vote each (thanks, random vote!)" isn't a very comfortable position.

I wasn't notified about a gift, so I assume I didn't get one...o Spirit of Christmas Hosting: we can't use Santa gifts, but he can still give one to us and we'd know, right?


I'm assuming if Xhin is Santa he gave out the box of cookies and is not afraid of a night kill.
this is what I was concerned about from what he said. The only real benefit to him claiming if he's Santa is if he's trying to bait a nightkill that someone can save him from - and if so, it's his choice of protector. Given that they'd have to be alive to do that (meaning chief is out) and he'd have to be relatively convinced of both their innocence and their ability to pick up on that strategy, my first guess for the recipient would be The Bandit.

December 26, 2014
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Pirate_Ninja

If you didn't receive a notification from me, then I'm afraid Santa didn't give you a gift.

December 26, 2014
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Lady Flare

random vote!


IM SORRY. Pirate chan, will you forgive me? :P

I changed it to Roxas, figuring we could get a good lead eventually.

December 27, 2014
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Castrael

and if xhin's mafia we can vote off cas.

just got you a lil bit of insurance cas ;)

December 27, 2014
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CtR Black

I almost thought that said the complete of opposite of the way it's worded... Otherwise, I would have slapped you :P

December 27, 2014
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Castrael

Sooo... You know I might to vote for you right, cas?

December 27, 2014
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CtR Black

I would vote for xhin

December 27, 2014
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CtR Black

Alright, everyone dogpile on Xhin. We need to save Cas, and since we know he isn't Mafia, it will likely throw the town into some confusion given the recent events. We have less than an hour.

Or, just make it enough to be a tie that works too. But I really think letting Cas die is a horrible move. We'll have less numbers, some are already suspicious of 3 of us.

December 27, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

UGH, why is there always a tie?!

Vote for Xhin, damnit Ctr Black. I hope not.

:P

December 27, 2014
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Castrael

A tie could be good for us honestly. It'll be keep them going at it with each other and but them I mean Roxas and Xhin, and it'll make everyone else confused, and probably force votes towards one or the other. Hopefully anyway.

December 27, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

I don't like being confused v.v

December 27, 2014
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Castrael

But ya, killing Xhin is probably better because we get a free kill and I imagine they'll still be somewhat confused. It could end up being bad for us, but they'll probably target Roxas before any of us at the very least.

December 27, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

So, basically. Target Xhin. Town becomes Confused. Target Roxas because he was wrong.

December 27, 2014
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Castrael

Welp folks, this has been a fairly successful round for us. Roxas is likely gonna be a target for being a proponent of a xhin lynch, so hopefully he gets lynched next round.

December 27, 2014
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CtR Black

I think we should kill speed bike pro tonight

December 27, 2014
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CtR Black

I think we should kill the bandit, to be honest. I'm at work so I won't be able to respond much.

Also, omg. That was a close call.

December 27, 2014
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Castrael

I didn't want to kill him because he went after you pretty hard.

but using the same reasoning, I agree he'd be a beneficial kill.

December 28, 2014
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CtR Black

I officially vote for the bandit. And I'm using a lump of coal tonight

December 28, 2014
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CtR Black

Oh good. You guys are already hard at work.

Bad Santa gift

CtR Black may use his Coal, 2 uses left

Mafia kill

I think that's everything.

December 28, 2014
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Lady Flare

What was the lump of goal again? I'm checking in on my break. So, I'll double check what it is again when I'm on desktop if no one responds.

Are we officially killing The Bandit as a mafia kill?

Also, I appreciate the team help guys. You guys are awesome. I think I'll lay somewhat this next round. If we can keep getting rid of the snowman, we'll know who Elf and Santa are. But, didn't somebody claim Elf besides Ghowilo?

December 28, 2014
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Castrael

*somewhat low

December 28, 2014
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Castrael

Because I want Roxas dead

December 28, 2014
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Castrael

The Lump of Coal is to get Ninja powers for 2 nights.

December 28, 2014
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Lady Flare

Ya, I could see the bandit trying to turn tables on one of us instead of Roxas.

Vote for him I guess.

December 28, 2014
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Chaos Incarnate

lol @ all of that...gj pulling through, guys

I should be home shortly before the next day round ends btw (if they go the full length) so I can actually have a normal presence (sorry!)

keeping this short because mobileposting sucks; I'll give the last gift out (Teddy for Chaos) and check back in here tomorrow

December 28, 2014
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Pirate_Ninja

Vote for the Bandit, then?

PIRATE. WHY WHY WHY.

December 28, 2014
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Castrael

We don't need pirates vote, just a majority I believe

December 28, 2014
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CtR Black

^

idk if you need coal yet (only one possible tracker/watcher gift), and be wary of "confirmed" innocents

December 28, 2014
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Pirate_Ninja

Ok, the bandit, it is, then

December 28, 2014
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Castrael

Alright be ready cas, me and you may be on the chopping block next round. Just remember unless you were investigated there's no proof you're guilty, and don't lose your nerve if votes start piling on you. Same thing happened with roxas and spb

December 28, 2014
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CtR Black

Alright, thanks Ctr. I'll try to remember that. I think last round I screwed up but hopefully the town will go for Roxas instead.

December 28, 2014
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Castrael

Am I assuming that CtR Black is making the kill?

December 28, 2014
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Lady Flare

Yeah I'll do it

December 28, 2014
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CtR Black

With my coal

December 28, 2014
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CtR Black

Pirate gives the Teddy to Chaos.

CtR Black uses his Coal.

Mafia kill is The Bandit (Mr. Black makes the kill)

December 28, 2014
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Lady Flare

I have a vibe Roxas maybe a Santa/or the elf. I forget what it was.

December 29, 2014
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Castrael

Wait, wasn't there supposed to be a second kill? Or, am I missing something?

December 29, 2014
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Castrael

What second kill? The Giant Candle was only one kill. Now it's up to lynching and Mafia group kill.

December 29, 2014
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Lady Flare

Oh, I thought there was a Mafia kill plus the coal kill. I got confused. sorry.

December 29, 2014
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Castrael

guys...it's okay, we can call off the killings

that other Santa was nice enough to leave me a Box of Cookies last night



...I'm kidding, of course. He left me cookies, but no milk! Can you believe the NERVE of that guy?!


therefore:
  • the town has no Doctor (but the Angel save still exists)
  • something else was given out Night 1

    • December 29, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Hopefully it was the thing that allowed watching, and it's already gone. Then they'd have no way left to identify us and this game would be cash

    December 29, 2014
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    CtR Black

    What was that something else?

    December 29, 2014
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    Castrael

    Also, we mafia kill Roxas next.

    December 29, 2014
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    Castrael

    No roxas has the bullet proof vest, we'd have to target him two nights before he died.

    December 29, 2014
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    CtR Black

    These are people I suspect are Santa due to their absence of a serious roxas vote -

    Jo nathan
    Hezekiah
    evilguy
    Hindenburg (if he's not inactive. Least likely in my opinion).

    December 29, 2014
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    CtR Black

    Jo Nathan is a confirmed innocent anyway, so I think we should kill him next

    December 29, 2014
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    CtR Black

    Oh, I forgot about the bullet proof vest. :/ Yeah, I'll agree to the Jo Nathan but if he is a Snowman, we should target Hezy next.

    He's been awfully careful this game.

    December 29, 2014
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    Castrael

    thought I'd be around this morning but plans changed and I'm just getting some time now

    lynching Roxas would be very helpful, but with the vest he's not a good nightkill option. JN would be my first choice, as both confirmed innocent and strong Santa candidate imo. Knowing Hindy as I do, I seriously doubt it's him - and yeah, I was gonna point out that Santa would know if Roxas is being truthful because of the gift.

    also never count out the Drunk; that role can be a headache (kinda hoping chief got that N1)

    December 29, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Don't forget that Redack is a confirmed innocent too. Snowman

    December 30, 2014
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    Castrael

    Redack isn't playing

    December 30, 2014
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    CtR Black

    Redack = Moonray.

    He's just busy.

    December 30, 2014
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    Castrael

    Hey cas I think you should vote for sbp and tie the votes before the round ends. I don't want to go out of my way defending you, and they're not really responding but as it stands you're going to get lynched

    December 30, 2014
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    CtR Black

    ^that, but unless I missed something important he's not a confirmed anything. Roxas has claimed Elf/Investigator and named JN as a living player who checked innocent. And I see no real reason to doubt him.

    December 30, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    okay pretend that post was pointing as Cas's like it was intended to. But voting in your own defense would also be a (very) good idea, Cas.

    December 30, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    So i'll have the teddy right? For future reference, who do you guys thing I should hook/role block?

    December 30, 2014
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    Chaos Incarnate

    If we kill Jo Nathan and he's Santa - block roxas
    If we kill Jo Nathan and he isn't Santa - block Hezekiah.

    For tonight I suggest blocking hezekiah

    December 30, 2014
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    CtR Black

    I'm going to have to kill Cas because she has the most votes. No voting isn't an option as hez pinted out.

    December 31, 2014
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    Lady Flare

    I was going to vote for speed, but it looks like I'm too late now. Oh well I guess.

    December 31, 2014
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    Chaos Incarnate

    I do feel bad for doing it, but CtR Black did tell her to vote for Speed to save herself.

    December 31, 2014
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    Lady Flare

    CtR Black may use his Coal (1 use left)

    Chaos Incarnate may now use the Teddy (2 uses left)

    Mafia kill target

    I think that's everything now.

    December 31, 2014
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    Lady Flare

    no worries; it's the right thing to do

    So i'll have the teddy right? For future reference, who do you guys thing I should hook/role block?
    depends in part on one thing imo (which occurred to me during the drive home):

    Angel: Automatically saves the player if they are targeted for death, be it Night kill or hanging in Tinsel (lynching).
    the word automatically makes this a real problem if's obvious that a player was saved because of it (only applies to nightkills, since a blocked lynch would obviously be thanks to the Angel) - not only would it prevent our kill without needing to be "activated" like a Doctor save, but the target is confirmed innocent because only innocent players can use Santa gifts :\

    so, questions for our host:
  • if a kill is prevented by any means, will the day update hint at what happened or will there simply be no death and the town is left to ponder why? There's Angel protection, Cookies (if a Snowman had them), us not picking a target (odd but possible), and maybe the Strong Spirits (can the Drunk block a nightkill if he targets the first voter? I think different hosts have treated that differently)
  • can the Teddy be used to block the Angel's effect?

    • December 31, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Shall I use my coal tonight? I'm putting in a vote for jo Nathan

    December 31, 2014
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    CtR Black

    I had to think a bit on your questions.

    if a kill is prevented by any means, will the day update hint at what happened or will there simply be no death and the town is left to ponder why?There's Angel protection, Cookies (if a Snowman had them), us not picking a target (odd but possible), and maybe the Strong Spirits (can the Drunk block a nightkill if he targets the first voter? I think different hosts have treated that differently)

    Yes the Town would know a gift was used up. When a gift has been used up, I have mentioned evidence of such. I.e. A pool in chief's house and broken Gingerbread cookie next to the verdict. Therefore the Town would know the Angel was used. However the Box of Cookies have 2 uses so the first use would've gone unmentioned.

    The Drunk can block a nightkill if they target the person doing the kill. Usually first vote unless otherwise specified.

    can the Teddy be used to block the Angel's effect?

    Good question. I'm going to give it to you because you will need to target the same person with the Hooker and your Night Kill. And the Hooker blocks gifts. If the Town Drunk gets mixed in this though different things happen. If the Drunk targets the Hooker, the Hooker is blocked. And if the Drunk stops the Night kill, obviously the Angel isn't used at all and your target doesn't die.

    Does that answer your questions?

    December 31, 2014
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    Lady Flare

    yes, pretty much all as I figured (including the question I forgot to ask about Drunk v Hooker, where I think Drunk does normally win out). I did notice the gift cues, which is why I wanted to be sure. Thanks c:

    December 31, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    ok wow hi really though

    kill: sure, stick with JN

    coal: if you think you may be lynched tomorrow or that someone will guess the kill target, go for it

    teddy: use it or save it imo - the Angel, Reindeer Suit, and Strong Spirits are all potential problems (unless Coal is blocking the Suit effect). Only one Snowman can have a gift (from Night 1), so you'd have to speculate at whether anyone seemed particularly safe to gift that night - keeping in mind that we could have already killed the person in possession of said gift. Chief and hez would be my first thoughts there, but one's already gone. And it's not like Santa has to give out a useful gift if he doesn't want to - he's got the filler gifts as well.

    December 31, 2014
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    Pirate_Ninja

    So far I have

    kill Jo Nathan

    I'm still waiting for confirmation on whether or not the Coal or Teddy will be used.

    December 31, 2014
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    Lady Flare

    Ima use the coal if it's not too late

    December 31, 2014
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    CtR Black

    All right. CtR Black is going to use his Coal and he wlll be the one to kill Jo Nathan.

    January 1, 2015
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    Lady Flare

    Sorry that I couldn't make it back in time. But it looks like you both did well for yourselves. Now if we just could get the elf.

    January 1, 2015
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    Chaos Incarnate

    Yeah roxas is really untouchable at this point. Had I known he were the elf I wouldn't tried to get him while xhin and everyone were voting him off

    January 1, 2015
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    CtR Black

    Or had I known he had the bpv, and the significance of him having it, I would have

    January 1, 2015
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    CtR Black



    January 1, 2015
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    Pirate_Ninja

    hello I'm an illiterate fuckup who thought the day round went until 9-something

    will be by later tonight but for now:

  • I think I should do the killing tonight

  • leaning toward Speed

    • January 3, 2015
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    Pirate_Ninja

    I think the Mafia group kill is the only thing to decide upon.

    @Pirate (hug) I don't think there was much you could have done.

    January 3, 2015
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    Lady Flare

    I think we should kill spb or Hezekiah. Hezekiah made it seem like he got an important gift, possibly the PI thing, so I'd say he's the best bet

    January 3, 2015
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    CtR Black

    Actually I don't know where I got that from. I thought I saw a post where hezekiah said he got a gift, but I can't find it now. so we can target SPB

    January 3, 2015
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    CtR Black

    no, he did make that claim:

    Also, Jo seems to have trusted me; I was given a gift last night, but think it's better if I keep to myself just what it is for now.


    assuming it's true (Roxas would likely have objected if hezekiah wasn't on the list of gift recipients), my thinking derives from what Roxas said:
    The other gifts that were given out were the Angel, the Box of Cookies, and the Reindeer Suit. Not sure who got what, but at this point, but I am aware who received gifts. One of them is immune to being killed once, and one has two uses of Doctor if they both haven't already been used. If you got the Reindeer suit and have seen anything, I urge you to let it be known if it can lead us to a proper lynch.
    Roxas got the Badge, I got the Cookies. Nights 1 and 3 were the Angel and Reindeer Suit, one of which allegedly went to hez.

    if we target him and he has the Suit, that's awesome and I have over-thought things horribly.

    if we target him and it's the Angel, we get no kill and confirm an innocent, plus risk the Suit owner catching us any time we try to finish him off. If Roxas wasn't careful enough to be a little deceptive, his post implied the Suit owner is still alive (the item could be used up already but it's risky).


    Speed was my alternative of choice because:
  • after the last two lynches I doubt he's on anyone's mafia radar
  • that makes him a likely target for Roxas to gift the Strong Spirits tonight (hoping he picks you obv)
  • hez claiming to have a gift makes him probably a prime target for the Suit owner to watch if it's not him


    also, my reasoning for doing the kill myself: the only way it matters is if the Suit owner sees us. If he watches the person we kill, we're screwed. If he watches the house of the person doing the killing, however, I can at least claim to have been using the Cookies to protect someone. I think I'm more likely to be watched than you, but Roxas will be able to confirm that I got a Santa gift - there's no guarantee I don't get lynched anyway at that point, but if you were seen leaving home you'd be 100% confirmed guilty. And I think you're likely in a slightly better position innocence-wise than me.


    so let me know what you think; we're getting kinda long shot-y :\

    • January 3, 2015
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    Pirate_Ninja

    I agree 100% with your reasoning and I think it's a good idea. Let's do it and hope we don't get screwed in the day round again

    January 3, 2015
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    CtR Black

    heh, now if only I agreed 100% with it...because I really could go either way. I have a nagging gut feeling the Angel went to Moonray and hez has the Suit, but it's really just speculation (and if we did act on that we could still end up hosed by the Spirits if you don't get them).

    ehh w/e I'll make it official later so we still have a chance to (re-?)reconsider

    January 3, 2015
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    Pirate_Ninja

    w/e let's roll

    kill Speed Bike Pro

    January 3, 2015
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Pirate kills Speed Bike Pro.

    January 3, 2015
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    Lady Flare

    i'm tempted to vote for the person I am least sure of being innocent among the gift receivers
    from a objective POV it strikes me as a terrible idea to risk a possibly-useful gift like that

    "oh that's just because there's a good chance he means you"

    Show Spoiler


    January 4, 2015
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Who we getting tonight pirate?

    January 6, 2015
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    CtR Black

    assuming Roxas has been truthful with everyone...if Moonray died with a (functional) gift in hand, it must've been the Reindeer Suit, meaning hezekiah should have the Angel and we totally definitely don't want to target him for a kill.

    open season beyond that, aside from Roxas needing two shots (so I don't think I'd consider him unless one of us gets lynched). I'll look things over in a little while, so let me know if you've got any strong feelings.

    January 6, 2015
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Well, everyone is going with their gut. I feel like no one suspects Hindenburg, so let's kill him

    January 6, 2015
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    CtR Black

    that's what I think I'm learning toward; I just hope it doesn't reek of setup

    January 6, 2015
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Is Hindenburg your final answer?

    January 6, 2015
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    Lady Flare

    Naw noone's really thinking that hard right now. Hopefully they'll want to lynch evilguy or lightvayne and that'll be game

    January 6, 2015
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    CtR Black

    paranoia is an essential thread woven into every fiber of my being

    and yeah, I guess Hindy is the official verdict. In case I've made a bad assumption and we could be seen, I'll give him the gift that he's been clamoring for (hug)

    January 6, 2015
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Roxas called you out to tell you your gift. plans?

    January 7, 2015
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    CtR Black

    pondering how honest I should be. I could claim a different gift and hope it's not suspect, or just share the real one and claim I haven't successfully saved anyone in 1-2 attempts. Haven't thought it out completely, but I feel like it might be possible to use it against me if I claim to have another use left.

    ...as I'm typing this, actually, I think there's a very easy way to use it against me. If hez claims Angel, that can be tested by lynching him. He'd only die if he's mafia, and when he lives I'd likely be expected to protect him overnight (meaning we'd have to either kill him while I claim to have failed at outwitting the mafia with a bait-and-switch save, or that we'd have to pull off a mislynch of the only other Snowman still alive).

    January 7, 2015
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    Pirate_Ninja

    So could Hezy. If he is telling the truth and a townie, then if we lynched him he'd survive it.
    yeah I was curious if anyone would bring this up (but didn't really want to do it myself on the back of everything I said in that post)

    the town can't afford a mislynch, but a No Kill improves their odds slightly...and testing the Angel-holder is a more effective form of NK. Not sure how much it'd change beyond preventing him from saying anything to sway other people. Ideally, votes start to come in sooner rather than later.

    January 8, 2015
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    Pirate_Ninja

    We can play this one of two ways, we can pile on the lightvayne vote near the end of the round, or we can just kill hezzy tonight and hope for a mislynch next round

    January 8, 2015
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    CtR Black

    true. The former is more direct, but it'll require that EG doesn't change his vote, that hezekiah's not intentionally withholding his vote with the intent to change it, and that we time it right. If something goes wrong and the vote ends in a tie we'd be pretty much screwed.

    I think we've got a fair enough shot that I'm comfortable with leaving it to tomorrow, but I'll be around if we do want to go all in.

    January 8, 2015
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    Pirate_Ninja



    goodbye, EvilGuy~

    January 8, 2015
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Yes, yes. Kill evilguy please. GG

    January 8, 2015
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    CtR Black

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