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mafia game 1 thread 2 night round 4 hush

Posted February 13, 2012 by Yeano

This was continued from [p:59636], but was moved to here due to the massive amount of replies.


NIGHT ROUND 2:

During the day, the town almost killed #85 (with 7 votes), but once `Roxas` changed his vote to Kassie the Eevee, many votes followed! With a whopping 10 votes, the town's mind could not be changed, and they lynched her earlier than scheduled. Farewell, Kassie the Eevee, the Townie.

Player List:

1. Xhin
2. chiefsonny
3. RubyLizard
4. LLight - (Townie)
5. Kassie the Eevee - (Townie)
6. Feral - (Townie)
7. MajorasMask9
8. Black Yoshi
9. Shadowwalked
10. poptart!
11. Knukles2000
12. Helius
13. white lancer
14. `Roxas`
15. BCB
16. Malas
17. #85

Ratio: 4-10.

Roles: Mafia (4), Doctor (1), Cop (1), Townies (8)

The Doctor, Cop, and Mafia have 24 hours to reply to their respective threads and say what they want to do.

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I hope you bitches are happy. brb pouting in corner.

February 13, 2012
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Kassie the Eevee

{:?}

February 13, 2012
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Shadowwalked

WOW, the mafia just completely bamboozled us.

February 13, 2012
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poptart!
 

Wow. We should have accidentally gotten one by Now lol

We have to pretty much reevaluate our strategy and while i still hold black yoshi and helius high up on the threat list, I am becoming increasingly concerned with the people not saying much. They seem to be just sitting back and going along with our wrong picks. The next vote should be discussed and careful

February 13, 2012
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#85

pop just summarized it the best.

February 13, 2012
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`Roxas`

Agreed, #85.

February 13, 2012
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`Roxas`

1) There are a few people planting seeds of doubt on who should be lynched next.
2) Everyone else takes the bait and follows those people like sheep.
3) A townie is lynched.

Our mob mentality is starting to become a problem, and I'm suspicious of the people who are making the decisions here.

February 13, 2012
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poptart!
 

I don't think this necessarily means that we were completely off-base with being suspicious of the ones who were flying under the radar. I'm still highly suspicious of Helius and Black Yoshi as well as Ruby and I wouldn't mind going after any of those three next round. I also don't think we should overlook #85 as a potential threat.

By the way, are we allowed to discuss the game during the night round?

February 13, 2012
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white lancer

"pop just summarized it the best."

What are you talking about? You're my prime suspect; you're the one who got everyone to change their votes to Kassie.

February 13, 2012
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poptart!
 

Our decision makers have mostly been Shadow, Xhin, and Roxas, and the only one of those that I'm not fairly confident about is Xhin.

February 13, 2012
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white lancer

#85 has been a decision maker as well. Shadowwalked is definitely the doctor, though, so I'm not worried about him.

Which leaves us with Xhin, Roxas, and #85.

February 13, 2012
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poptart!
 

I'm mixed on Xhin, his thinking seems to be very logical and fair, maybe it's just his title that adds to the suspicion.

BCB, cheifsonny, and Malas don't talk much. Not accusing it's just for the record

February 13, 2012
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#85

Wow...I feel like a complete idiot...I was so sure...

Anyway...WHERE IS OUR COP!? DX

But I'm personally thinking #85, Majorasmask9 or RubyLizard, based on everything that went on in the last thread. But then I don't have anything other than stuff from the last thread other than speculation, and opinion, (especially majorasmask9) so... I just cast my votes to where I think it best.

ALSO let us not forget that Xhin Suspected Kassie. And the Mafia could of done something to Xhin JUST to throw us off, and use it as proof. (I could just be confusing something, but I thought I recalled the mafia attacking Xhin or something)

February 13, 2012
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Knukles2000

My vote was swayed based on Xhin's points. Kassie was one of those who flew under the radar, and like the situation with #85 and Feral, it was an honest mistake.

February 13, 2012
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`Roxas`

If need be, I can show you that I am, in fact, not a member of the Mafia.

February 13, 2012
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`Roxas`

"My vote was swayed based on Xhin's points. Kassie was one of those who flew under the radar, and like the situation with #85 and Feral, it was an honest mistake."

We can't be sure that #85 voting for Feral was just a mistake. It's weird that you're defending him.

February 13, 2012
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poptart!
 

Idk rockas, could be you know that you could start the movement to take a townie (kassie) out, at the same time keeping another townie (me) that's a high target around, this benefits the mafia more longtern then just taking a townie out

Sooo many possibilities

February 13, 2012
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#85

Again, going off of observation. I believe that it was an honest mistake.

Regardless, if #85 were to be the one we lynched like it originally looked like and he had been a townie, we'd be having the same discussion as before.

February 13, 2012
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`Roxas`

Again, going off of observation. I believe that it was an honest mistake.

Regardless, if #85 were to be the one we lynched like it originally looked like and he had been a townie, we'd be having the same discussion as before.

February 13, 2012
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`Roxas`

#85, if I wanted you out, I would have kept my vote the way it was.

February 13, 2012
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`Roxas`

Well, I don't see much discussion in all of this if my head is next to roll. :(

So for this next round, I'm sitting back and just watching. That is... if the Mafia doesn't get me first.

February 13, 2012
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Helius

I think xhins plan is either largely or completely wrong

Ruby did try to go to bat for kassie, which is interesting.

Not to pull a Helios, but are we SURE poptart is a townie just because the mafia targeted him? Not that I consider poptart be dealt with next, just throwing random ideas out

February 13, 2012
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#85

I just find it odd that Xhin comes up with an elaborate theory, damn near everybody, not just myself, goes along with it, and we lose one of our own.

February 13, 2012
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`Roxas`

#85 and Roxas are probably working together.

February 13, 2012
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poptart!
 

Poptarts stiring up the most drama, even in the beginning of the original thread, that's where my suspicion is coming from

February 13, 2012
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#85

GO TO BED. Thread locked until morning.

February 13, 2012
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Yeano

Edit: removing post because the thread was locked.

February 13, 2012
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white lancer

I'm probably going to be killed tonight. If I'm not, you guys are probably going to lynch me if my theory doesn't start working. I honestly wasn't sure on Kassie, but I figured it would be better to have a unified vote since everyone else was voting for her.

I can prove I'm a townie by showing that it's impossible to prove you're a townie (yeah, your head is spinning). Basically, because of the way I programmed this, anyone can make any type of post, they just can't read it once it's posted. So if I was a mafia, I could make, say, a Townie6 post with a title that shows me as being me. I wouldn't be able to read it, and no one else would either, but they'd see the townie6 post and think "hmm, that guy must be a townie".

If I was a mafia, I wouldn't reveal that crucial piece of information; I'd make a townie6 post to "prove" I was a townie.

According to my theory, the most likely are still Helius, RubyLizard, Black Yoshi, and BCB (in that order). In a way, kassie being eliminated means that the theory works *better* since there's now only four suspects and four mafia.

If I'm not killed off, I'll cast my vote for Helius. If Helius isn't mafia, then you guys are free to lynch me (although that's pointless since I'm townie3).

I'm not sure if it counts as cheating or not, but we could all say what number townie we are and that would leave only six people unaccounted for, with a 1/3 chance that they're on our side (Cop, Doctor, although the Cop's been useless so far). The mafia would pick townie numbers as well, so if more than one person says they're the same townie number, we suspect them all. Especially if they all pick the same number in a big block.

The problem with this system (even if it doesn't count as cheating) is that the mafia will naturally pick whichever number corresponds to the people making the most waves. So that would probably be Shadowwalked, #85, me, and `Roxas`.

Another problem is that if my first theory is completely wrong (still voting Helius if I'm not dead by the next day), then the mafia will all pretend to be the four people in my theory so they seem legit.

Yet another problem is whether not saying your townie number makes you a mafia or just inactive. However, my first strategy (lynch all the inactive ones) should get inactive players to play more so they'd be more likely to cooperate in this new strategy.

February 13, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

DAY ROUND 3:

During the night, the mafia had a devious plan. They snuck into Knukles2000's house, broke all his carbon monoxide detectors, and filled his house with carbon monoxide. Needless to say, he didn't wake up in the morning. Rest well, Knukles2000, the Townie.

Player List:

1. Xhin
2. chiefsonny
3. RubyLizard
4. LLight - (Townie)
5. Kassie the Eevee - (Townie)
6. Feral - (Townie)
7. MajorasMask9
8. Black Yoshi
9. Shadowwalked
10. poptart!
11. Knukles2000 - (Townie)
12. Helius
13. white lancer
14. `Roxas`
15. BCB
16. Malas
17. #85

Ratio: 4-9.

Roles: Mafia (4), Doctor (1), Cop (1), Townies (7)

The day round will end in 72 hours or if one person gets 9 votes.

February 13, 2012
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Yeano

"BCB, cheifsonny, and Malas don't talk much. Not accusing it's just for the record"

@#85, If you would read post other then your own, you would see that I been posting and some are more then one line, "cough, cough"

Or maybe, just maybe, this is your attempt to take the target off your back, hmm.

And "just for the record" chief is not spelled 'cheif'

February 13, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Well neighbors, we've lost 2 in one day, and are now down to seven. So from now on I will be voting for who I think is Mafia instead of going with the group, because as a group we suck.

@Xhin
"So that would probably be Shadowwalked, #85, me, and `Roxas`."

Well the Mafia did not kill any of the "people that make the most waves"
So what's that tell us?
It tells me that one or more of them are Mafia and are playing us like a cheap drum.

And good for them. That's the way they should be playing.

We Townies just need to think things through and stop following all this "free advice", it's killing us off like flies.

So everyone knows, I will be waiting to the 11th hour to cast my vote from now on so I can try to sort through all the bull shit.

February 13, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Right now I think the only people that are for sure townies are shadow and rockas.

I'm going to be going after these 4 people, in this order. Sort of like an Xhin2.0

1. Blackyoshi
2. Malas
3. Chiefsonny
4. Poptart

Trust me I do read posts and I think that post just gave you away

February 13, 2012
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#85

Well so everyone that's left after I'm gone knows you were wrong and put another target on a townie's back.

I am Townie1.
Remember this my fellow townies. I will copy and paste this post so I can post it in the Dead Post for you to see who is one of the people that's setting us up. And it was not me.

And I said in my post above, I will wait and make my vote. I'll let others put the targets on your backs.

February 13, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Well, to make things interesting...

I'm voting for myself.

1. If I'm a townie, I'm a lunatic for trying to kill myself.

2. If I'm a mafia, I'm a lunatic for trying to kill myself.

I say that's win win.

February 13, 2012
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Helius

Given the way that the last way played out, I wouldn't be shocked if I was next to be lynched. Sadly, the group would manage to be down to eight (possibly seven) by Day Four. If for some reason that I am lynched, you will find out soon enough that it would be a mistake, for I am Townie8.

I have a feeling that, although the Cop has not identified their true identity, I know who the Cop potentially is. To benefit the group, I will not disclose my suspicion on the topic.

I began making a list of the game, determining who seems likely to be Mafia and who does not. I will not attempt to sway any votes away from myself and to another, so everybody feel free to vote who you see fit to be lynched.

Analysis and Vote

With the of the events of the last day, we are at a major setback.

There are a few characters that I am now on high alert about, as they have seemingly been skating through the game free.

Based on how she was gunning for The Doctor to start the last round, despite changing her vote to Kassie, my vote will not change this round. RubyLizard receives my vote.

February 13, 2012
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`Roxas`

Seems like we're just trying to eliminate as many of us Townies as possible in order to weed out the Mafia. Wrong strategy, guys; we're just playing right into the Mafia's hands here.

Anyway, poptart has been pretty suspicious, especially since, like #85 said, he's been pretty showy throughout the game. Then again, maybe showy isn't the way to be. Malas deserves my vote because he's been so damned quiet...

February 13, 2012
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Black Yoshi

So what's that tell us?

I stated repeatedly that I would save myself last night, and I did. We're at the point where there is no clear indication of who will be targeted in the night, and I can at least assure my survival through the night, rather than try to save someone who might not even be targeted.

We Townies just need to think things through and stop following all this "free advice", it's killing us off like flies.

We're at the point where there is a .33 chance that our next vote will be for someone in the Mafia (Taking into account that as I've already admitted to being the Doctor, with no one else trying to contest my statement, and that I'll continue to protect myself during the night round, I've removed myself from the pool).

There is a .08 chance that our next vote will be for the cop if we're not careful, and if the cop is indeed targeted in a lynching, I would prefer if it were to admit itself and all the evidence gathered. There is a .125 chance that the cop will be killed during the night if the Mafia have no knowledge of his identity.


So far, chiefsonney has declared to be townie #1, Xhin has claimed to be townie #3, and 'Roxas' to be townie #8.
There are four townies dead, and their numbers are(as far as I know) unknown.

If we are to trust Xhin, Chiefsonney, and 'Roxas' there is a 44.44% chance that our next vote would be for a Mafia member, and a 11.11% chance that we'd acidentally vote for the cop (Unless the cop came foward with it's identity, a risky move, but would prevent another fuckup and allow us to see all the evidence gathered).

We'd be left with:

RubyLizard -Voted for me, later changed vote to Kassie.

MajorasMask9- Voted for Malas at first, then changed it to #85, and then to Kassie.

Black Yoshi- Voted for me, and has now posted for Malas for him being quiet.

poptart! -Was the first target by the Mafia, saved by me.

Helius -Voted for himself this round, suspect in Xhin's theory. Voted for himself this round, which can either be:

1: A clever attempt to have us overlook him or

2: He's just voting for himself because fuck it. If we are to trust Xhin for a second time, our votes might as well be for him. If Xhin's theory fucks up again, he's either been playing us or is terrible at this game, as he'd be assured a lynching regardless.

Helius also came up with quite a clever conspiracy theory that would be amazingly hilarious if it turned out to be true. If we do target him this round and he's a townie, we must give the theory some thought.

white lancer - Voted for Helius at first, then later stated that my theory made sense and changed it to #85, and changed it again to Kassie.

BCB- Voted for Feral first (Who turned out to be a Townie). Has yet to post anything else.

Malas-Voted for #85.

#85 -I was originally suspsicious of since the first person to think about voting for him was poptart!, who was targeted during the night. Was the first to vote for Kassie. We all mobbed, and it turned out that Kassie was a townie.

Four of them would be Mafia, one of them would be the cop.

If anyone has anything else to contribute, it would be much obliged.

February 13, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Originally I was going to wait until a bit later before I posted this, but I'd rather just get it out now before any bandwagons start.

I'm the cop. I checked Malas on nght 1 and he's mafia. I checked BCB on night 2 and he's also mafia. I personally think white lancer and black yoshi are good candidates for being the remaining two, but that's all speculation.

Voting for Malas.

February 13, 2012
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MajorasMask9

RL, understand that my vote is nothing personal against you, but as I said, I am not going to reconsider it. I feel as based upon the actions from the second day, you deserved my vote at the time. Since Malas is a member of the Mafia, I see no reason as to why he would not be able to receive the remaining four votes from the other Townies. With those four votes, even if the Mafia does start voting for either you or Helius, Malas will still have more votes.

EDIT: I am slowly becoming convinced that Black Yoshi is a Townie based upon his vote for Malas. I do not see how it would make sense for one Mafia member to vote on another in a situation as dire as the one we are in now. That being said, Helius, who's vote for himself is rather unusual to say the least, could be Mafia or a townie. #85 I want to consider a Townie, but again, unsure. Lastly, white lancer I feel could be the third or fourth Mafia member. All that being said, I still am not changing my vote.

February 13, 2012
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`Roxas`

Dawgz fo' life, yo.

February 13, 2012
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`Roxas`

I'm townie 6 and I am voting for malas

February 13, 2012
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#85

I'm townie 2, and I'm voting Malas.

February 13, 2012
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white lancer

I'm not changing my vote based on this new information... mainly out of principle, and we've had tons of new information lately that seems to draw us every which way.

February 13, 2012
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Helius

^ Same reason why I am not changing my vote.

February 13, 2012
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`Roxas`

Also, this nonsense about which townie # you are... I don't find this productive. Anyone can lie and say something along the lines of I'm Townie 1,000,000,000XABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ,000.

What happens when someone picks a number already taken? For example, I'm townie 9 (which is the case) and someone else claims to be townie 9. You won't actually know until they die. This is really poor on our part. To quote Dr. House, "Everyone lies."

By the way, I post nightly journals every night on my thoughts for the next day round. The reason one of them was re-posted for me was because I was switched to townie 11 for a little bit.

February 13, 2012
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Helius

It would help if Knukles's and Kassie's numbers were taken down like Feral's and LLight's were that way this could all be sorted out and we could, possibly, find out who is lying.

February 13, 2012
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`Roxas`

Now we are basically going to lose the doctor
Or the cop. We need the cop to get a third mafia found, I'd say look at poptart

February 13, 2012
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#85

I'm not sure. If we are all who we say we are, then that leaves Helius and Black Yoshi as the last two members of the Mafia, but I am sticking with my statement that we can not know for sure until (or unless) Knukles's and Kassie's township is taken down from the posting options.

February 13, 2012
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`Roxas`

"By the way, I post nightly journals every night on my thoughts for the next day round"

What good does that do us? We can't read them. Only the thread title.

February 13, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I'm pretty sure Helius is Townie9 like he said. At least, I assumed he was Townie9 a couple of days ago based on Townie9's posts, and his confirmation just now makes me even more convinced.

February 13, 2012
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MajorasMask9

So then, that leaves Black Yoshi as a member of the Mafia, and one person who has claimed to be a Townie.

February 13, 2012
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`Roxas`

What good does that do us? We can't read them. Only the thread title.

Thought it might be cool to set up my process for after the game ends. ;) I was planning ahead.

(Edited for typo... made god, good *pun intended*)

February 13, 2012
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Helius

Questions;

In day one it was Yeano that posted telling us that the Mafia tried to off poptart with poisoned toothpaste, and the Doc saved his life.

Is Yeano allowed as host to mislead us?

If not, did he get this info from the Doc's thread

And is the Doc allowed to mislead us?

We can't see his/her post.

And no where in his post did Yeano say what poptart was. Only that Doc saved him.

So if poptart is Mafia, then why would they try to kill him?
To throw us off?
How would they know that the doc would jump in and save pop?

February 13, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

As far as I know that was just a little story to explain the night actions in a more exciting way than just saying "Mafia targeted poptart" and "Doctor protected poptart". He wouldn't mislead us with that information.

And there would be no way that the mafia could have known who the doctor would protect, so I'm almost positive that poptart is a townie as well.

February 13, 2012
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MajorasMask9

To adress the fact that I'm pretty quiet, I steal internet from my 70 year old neighbor who owns the breadstore under my apartment, so from 7 am to about 18:00 I don't have internet and afterwards I barely get any signal from her wifi router. Anyways, if I had anything really worth saying I would add to the conversation, but up to now I still can't really pick out a trend other than all of us keep voting for the least talktative, which I think is a bit dumb because there are mor reasons to not post than being mafia.

Anyways, this time my vote is going to Roxas, as he's the one who turned us all against Kassie instead of 85, who's way to agressive.

February 13, 2012
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Malas

What happens when someone picks a number already taken? For example, I'm townie 9 (which is the case) and someone else claims to be townie 9. You won't actually know until they die. This is really poor on our part. To quote Dr. House, "Everyone lies."

If that happens, we lynch one of them, because one or the other has to be Mafia. If we pick the right one, that's great! If we pick the wrong one, oh well. Now we know that the other guy is Mafia and can get rid of him next.

February 13, 2012
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white lancer

"I steal internet from my 70 year old neighbor who owns the breadstore under my apartment"

{:?}

February 13, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Now we are basically going to lose the doctor

Not likely. Unless the cop reveals himself, I can just protect myself every night.

And is the Doc allowed to mislead us?

I could, but it wouldn't make much sense for me to do so. I lose the game if the townies lose the game. I'd eventually be lynched by the Mafia, as I can't protect myself during the day round.

February 14, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Whoops, had only browsed through it really quick and didn't see that MajorasMask9 had admitted to be the cop.

I'll try to think up the best course of action to make sure neither of us die.

But for now I shall take Majoras word and vote for Malas.

February 14, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Sorry, I had a really hectic weekend and wasn't even on the site since early Sat. morning.

Anyway, Majora'sMask is not the cop. I am the cop and I checked out both RubyLizard on night 1 and it turns out she is a Townie, and I checked out Helius on night 2 and he's a Mafia.

Needless to say, I'll be checking out Majora'sMask in the next night round just to make sure, even though I'm positive that he is a Mafia member.

My vote this round is for Helius.

February 14, 2012
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BCB

I AM SOOOO CONFUSED!

February 14, 2012
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`Roxas`

My first theory is obviously partially wrong, but my second theory should get us to figure out who the mafia are long-term.

As Malas didn't say what townie number he is, I'm going to vote for him. Majora's Mask could be lying, but that seems as unlikely as shadowwalked lying.

The mafia is going to target either MM or Shadowwalked tonight. MM seems the most likely, so shadowwalked will protect MM but the mafia will predict this and target shadowwalked but shadowwalked will predict this and.. you know what, it's probably easier to just flip a coin.

February 14, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

HAHAHAAH this is awesome.

Okay, either Majora's Mask or BCB is the cop. Now remember, according to my original theory (and RubyLizard's addendum), BCB posted the absolute least in the beginning.

For now I'm going to change my vote to nothing until we get some more information.

February 14, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Also, BCB was specifically called mafia by Majora's Mask. if BCB is mafia, he would protect his own ass by pretending to be a cop, especially since my theory also fingers him.

February 14, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

It's also possible that *Malas* is the cop and is holding off his information so we'll target either BCB or Majora's Mask. If he's the cop, now is a very bad time for him to say he is, since we'd have three cops and the amount of people going for Malas would make him look like the most likely mafia member.

February 14, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Well, BCB is full of crock. Cop my butterscotch... I'm a townie. I'd take a screenshot of what I see when I'm on the forum... but alas that's against the rules.

February 14, 2012
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Helius

Here's what we know so far (this information may not actually be accurate, and in at least one case isn't accurate):

1. Xhin -- Townie3
2. chiefsonny -- Townie1
3. RubyLizard -- Townie7
7. MajorasMask9 -- Cop (Says Malas is mafia and BCB is mafia)
8. Black Yoshi -- ???
9. Shadowwalked -- Doctor
10. poptart! -- ??? (but was targeted by the mafia and saved by the doctor)
12. Helius -- Townie9
13. white lancer -- Townie2
14. `Roxas` -- Townie8
15. BCB -- Cop (Says RubyLizard is a townie and Helius is a mafia)
16. Malas -- ???
17. #85 -- Townie6

February 14, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Is dead talk on or off? Cause i've been waiting for something to imply an answer now, and nothing. >_> Theres something I want to say involving everything, but idk if i'm allowed as a dead. So...can someone clear this up?

February 14, 2012
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Knukles2000

I'm not going to be stupid this time and say that the ??? are obviously the four mafia members. For one thing, one of the Cops is clearly fake. For another, the other four people need to say what they are or we'll start targeting them. This strategy (which yeano assured me wasn't cheating) will work even if we kill the Cop or the mafia kills the cop tonight.

If we could figure out who the fake Cop is and kill them successfully, then shadow can protect the real cop but again, that has a lot of issues since the mafia would simply target the doctor.

The best strategy is to make sure everyone says their townie number and target those who don't so we'll have enough information narrowed down. The cop can only reveal one thing a night, whereas my strategy would reveal around half (more than that if the mafia is stupid) of everyone.

Also, thanks to my first strategy, everyone is now speaking up, so we should be able to analyze everyone for inconsistencies.

The important thing is to not vote too early. We need to make sure we have all the information available, especially since we've already killed two of our own.

February 14, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Well, looking at things in a "what's most likely" scenario, I'd be the cop.

While I've admittedly gone out of my way to hide the fact that I was the cop--as to not be targeted by the mafia--consider that my vote for the last round was initially for Malas. When I found out he was mafia, I wanted to try to get him lynched without saying that I was the cop and checked him. Since he didn't really respond to me voting for him or anything, and no one else found him suspicious, I gave up and went with the crowd. If I had persisted in trying to get Malas lynched with the only thing I had to go by was him saying "I vote Helius" in the first day round, it might have looked to the mafia that I knew he was mafia.

I was also the first to claim cop. While this doesn't prove anything at all, typically the first person to claim would be most likely to be the legitimate role depending on the current situation in the game. If someone that was mafia jumps up and claims cop, they're putting a big target on their back, because once they're found out as fake they're dead. As far as I'm aware, the only person that found me suspicious and openly said that was Knuckles. I'd have no reason to think that I was in any danger of being lynched, so to claim cop would be a pretty stupid move at this point in the game if I was mafia.

Helius claimed to be Townie9, and no one else has called this out for being a contradiction--not even Malas who outright ignored my accusation all together, despite the fact that he has clearly read through this post as he brought up the fact that people called him suspicious for being quiet. If we assumed that Helius is supposed to be mafia, the real Townie9 would be someone else. Yet, no one else has claimed to be Townie9, so how likely is it that Helius is mafia? Not likely at all. It should be very safe to assume that Helius is in fact Townie9.

If Helius is Townie9, BCB is lying about being the cop. If BCB is lying about being the cop, then unless someone else wants to jump in and claim cop, I'm telling the truth. The reason I said that "not even Malas" has claimed Townie9 yet is because--if what I said about Malas and BCB being mafia is true--Malas would be the most likely to falsely claim Townie9 since I've already called him out for being mafia. If anyone else in the mafia claimed Townie9 at this point, it would put a target on their back in the following day rounds which would be a huge mistake for the mafia since 3/4 of their members would be blatantly out in the open.

While it's impossible for me to prove that I'm the cop (unless I abuse the current posting system, which would be against the rules as far as I'm aware), if you look at what's most likely at this point, it's pretty obvious that BCB is lying.

February 14, 2012
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MajorasMask9

I believe that I have stated that I was Townie8.

Okay, so let's see what we have:

Two cops, a bunch of townies, and a doctor who could protect himself or one of the cops. Plus, we still have to worry about the four Mafia members as well as who is and who is not Mafia. We're basically right back where we started.

February 14, 2012
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`Roxas`

Unless, MM9, Kassie was Townie9; in which event we would have Helius, BCB and Malas as Mafia members, with still one member left to find.

February 14, 2012
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`Roxas`

And another interesting concept is that if I am telling the truth, whomever votes for me is basically mafia.... as I am an easy vote cause I voted for myself.

February 14, 2012
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Helius

If Kassie was Townie9, she would not have made a post titled "Nightly Journal of Townie9" after she was lynched.

February 14, 2012
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MajorasMask9

And I failed to make that connection. In that case, we can narrow down her or Knukles possible positions to Townie2, Townie10, or Townie11. And since we know that poptart! is a Townie, then one of the Mafia members is lying. So when poptart! comes forth with what Townie number he is, that will tell us who is the damned weasel among us (based on the information that we have).

February 14, 2012
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`Roxas`

According to my list, Black Yoshi, Malas, BCB and Majora's mask are the most likely mafia members. MM9 brings up some good points about why he's likely to be the real cop.

I think there's still overwhelming evidence against Malas. He's been fingered by the person most likely to be a cop, also was fingered by that person before they "revealed" they were the cop. He also hasn't revealed his townie number, which if he was a townie would be the best way of proving his innocence.

We might want to consider also that the mafia consists of Black Yoshi, BCB, Majora's Mask, and Malas. The mafia are being heavily targeted by my second strategy so the only way of proving their own innocence is to target one another. If even one mafia slips under the radar, then they're free to continue killing us at night and by day pinning it on someone else.

February 14, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

4 townies have been eliminated but only 2 Townie Post slots have been removed.

If Yeano would update this before voting time runs out, this may just shed some light on who's BSing us about being a townie.

It may take down numbers people are claiming to be.

February 14, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Exactly my point, chief. In which case, there is a 67% chance that the Mafia member who is bamboozling us picked the wrong Townie#.

February 14, 2012
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`Roxas`

I'm Townie 11.

Anyway, I need to read through this and think everything over.

February 14, 2012
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poptart!
 

He posted them the first day, so he should be able to post them again. I would sure like to see it :)

February 14, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

It's also interesting to note that white lancer has claimed Townie2, yet a dead person (Knuckles?) already made a post saying they were Townie2.

As I said before, I'm the cop, I checked Malas and BCB: they're both mafia. I suspected that white lancer and Black Yoshi are also mafia, but had no proof. white lancer just contradicted a dead person. Black Yoshi hasn't posted a townie number.

Can't be more clear-cut than that as far as I can tell.

February 14, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Ah, but the actual cop may be bamboozling us because he or she doesn't want to be targeted by the mafia.

If both BCB and Majora's Mask are mafia, then they can openly admit they're the cop since they're not going to target themselves. This is actually a wickedly awesome strategy because it means at least one of them takes one for the team, while the other looks like a hero and the legit Cop. If the legit cop speaks up, then the mafia targets them. It's probably too early for the cop to say anything yet.

February 14, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

It's also interesting to note that white lancer has claimed Townie2, yet a dead person (Knuckles?) already made a post saying they were Townie2.

If that's true, then we just need to wait for Yeano to update the ranks.

Next game I promise I'll reprogram it so that little loophole is removed.

February 14, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Which means, based on what we have collected, white lancer is lying, since Townie2 and Townie10 would both be dead (Kassie and Knukles, going to either role).

February 14, 2012
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`Roxas`

Also, Mafia thread is becoming more active today. I've watched it throughout, and it's already gone up about eight posts.

February 14, 2012
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`Roxas`

Even if I do die in this round, it won't really matter; the town will know exactly who the four mafia members are at that point. The town will still outnumber the mafia, and the town will win in the end regardless.

February 14, 2012
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MajorasMask9

It's interesting that the very method by which this game was programmed here (substantially different than on a forum with Private Messaging) gives us information.

February 14, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Where did Kassie say she was #10? And the post in the Dead Post just said they were #2, but they gave no name.
Or did I miss something?

February 14, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Even if I do die in this round, it won't really matter; the town will know exactly who the four mafia members are at that point. The town will still outnumber the mafia, and the town will win in the end regardless.

So long as Shadowwalked is in the game, yes. Because at that point, the rest of us can be gone, and he could take them out in four days.

February 14, 2012
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`Roxas`

Where did Kassie say she was #10? And the post in the Dead Post just said they were #2, but they gave no name.
Or did I miss something?

Up until poptart! claimed Townie11, this is what we knew (if Helius is indeed Townie9):

Feral and LLight were Townies4&5 (no particular order here.
There were three Townie numbers not taken: 2, 10, and 11.
With poptart! claiming Townie11, we now know that Knukles and Kassie were Townies2&10 (again, no particular order).
This shows that white lancer is lying about being Townie2, and is in fact a member of the Mafia.

February 14, 2012
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`Roxas`

@Xhin Yea. Please don't screw with the Townie Post being removed. It's really the only tool we have to help us since we can't talk to each other in our own threads.

February 14, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

So long as Shadowwalked is in the game, yes. Because at that point, the rest of us can be gone, and he could take them out in four days.

No, they'd be able to form a majority vote against him as early as when there's seven players left total and lynch him (which he can't protect himself against).

Anyway if that's the case, then the most probable mafia are BCB, Malas, Black Yoshi, and white lancer.

I'm going to change (or unchange) my vote to Malas because he's by far the most likely at this point in time (unlike black yoshi, he made a post after my second strategy without revealing his townie number). If Malas ISNT a mafia then something is severely screwed up.

February 14, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Oh, right. But in order for that to happen, they would need help from us townies to pull that off. And if Malas is definitely NOT mafia, I agree, something is screwy.

February 14, 2012
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`Roxas`

To reiterate the most important point for people that might join and miss a post or two when they reread this:

I claimed cop. I checked Malas on Night 1 and BCB on Night 2, both of them are mafia. I voted for Malas.

February 14, 2012
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MajorasMask9

@Xhin Yea. Please don't screw with the Townie Post being removed. It's really the only tool we have to help us since we can't talk to each other in our own threads.

Yes, but chief it effectively breaks the game since we now know who all the mafia are with 99% certainty and we outnumber them by a great deal. There's no way to objectively prove you're a townie; you can make a post under any role (you just wouldn't be able to see if you weren't it) and can claim anything, but with my system the mafia have to claim something or they seem suspicious, and whatever they claim means that those roles have at least one person who's fake.

The best strategy for them would be to all claim different roles, that way there'd be eight suspects. At this point in time that would mean that the probability of anyone being mafia is 8/13, which isn't too much less than 13/13. They could still do this, but it seems unlikely now that one person made a post without identifying himself, one is inactive, and one took on a role that corresponds with someone who's dead.

February 14, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

My point, chief, is that since we started out with 17 players, there'd be 8 suspects. The number of non-suspects outnumber the number of suspects, so they could win purely through attrition, even if they voted wrong every time.

February 14, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Makes sense. I'm enjoying the game very much regardless of which way it goes.

February 14, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

It makes more sense to have just one townie role and prohibit townies from viewing townie posts. I think yeano came up with the numbers system just so townies couldn't read other posts by townies and figure out they were legit.

February 14, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Look, Malas is no doubt suspicious, but I really don't think it would be wise to vote him out. Remember what poptart said at the beginning of the round? This whole mob mentality thing is what has been hurting us in the first place.

The only mob member I am positive on is Helius, and I'm 99.9% sure MajorasMask is also a Mafia member.

I agree that, while suspicious, Malas is not the right choice. Is he a Mafia member? Who knows, he very well may be, but it's not worth the risk of lynching another townie. If we did, we would still have the majority, but we are in a position where we need to snuff out at least one Mafia member.

Helius is a certain Mafia member.

Also, as for me not posting, Round one was a crap shoot, and I wasn't here all weekend for round 2. Also it would be stupid to come out as Cop until I was certain I knew at least one Mafia member. I would have stayed quiet even longer had MajorasMask not impersonated the cop or I had not been accused of being Mafia.

The only other thing that would have made me come out would have been if Ruby, or any other Townie I had known was a townie, were in danger of elimination. Now we're in great position though because the Mafia is now going to kill either me or the Doctor, Shadowwalked. Let's hope Shadowwalked protects the one that the Mafia targets to kill, which at this point is essentially a crapshoot in itself.

February 14, 2012
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BCB

I think yeano came up with the numbers system just so townies couldn't read other posts by townies and figure out they were legit.

Exactly. Essentially, anyone (with the exception of LLight, apparently) who replies in a "Townie" thread would be confirmed a Townie, and the game would have been over before it even began.

It was never intended to have a number system, but it is nice that Xhin is fixing it after this game.

Also, I'm not removing Kassie's and Knuckles's townie numbers. Leaving them up since last time I took down numbers, peoples' roles got rearranged. Plus, this shouldn't be a method for figuring out who is who anyway.

Also, Knukles, dead talk is OFF.

February 14, 2012
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Yeano

"Mob-mentality is going to destroy the town. Let's all vote for Helius."
-BCB

February 14, 2012
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MajorasMask9

"Also, I'm not removing Kassie's and Knuckles's townie numbers."

@Yeano

I don't know how you do this since we don't have a host only a Executive Host Yeano.

I would like to appeal the above decision.

In my opinion when you removed Kassie and Knuckles numbers, you set a precedent and good or bad, opened a loop hole for the townies to take advantage of.
If you want to change it (and I think you should)then it should be changed in the next game, not in the middle of this one.

This is a great game and I'm enjoying playing, and my hats off to you and Xhin.

That said, while I expect you to learn from this game to improve it for future games, you need to let this game continue with it's flaws and live with what you have and what you do.

I would also like to ask a question.

If everyone cast a "No Vote" would the Mafia still have to kill someone?

Thanks

February 14, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

If everyone cast a "No Vote" would the Mafia still have to kill someone?

Based on the rules, I would say yes they would have to kill someone.

February 14, 2012
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`Roxas`

Not voting for anyone would be a terrible move at this point. It would just give the mafia a free night kill, and we'd still have no more information than we do now. I'd rather have myself lynched just to prove I'm the cop, because as far as I'm concerned this game is entirely figured out, you'd just need proof that I was the cop for that to be confirmed.

That being said I'd still rather not die, but please anything but no-kill :).

February 14, 2012
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MajorasMask9

"Not voting for anyone would be a terrible move at this point"

I agree.
After giving it some thought a "No Kill" vote would be a bad move at this point.
But since the rule is unclear, it would be good to know what would happen as far as the Mafia vote goes if there ever was a No Kill Vote.

Anyone know how many hours left. To tired right now to figure it out{:(}

February 14, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Roughly 47 hours left, a little under two days.

February 14, 2012
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`Roxas`

In my opinion when you removed Kassie and Knuckles numbers, you set a precedent and good or bad, opened a loop hole for the townies to take advantage of.

Well, the problem is more a programming flaw. I suggest he just reveal the two townie numbers that have been killed as townies are killed.

I'd rather have myself lynched just to prove I'm the cop,

Well we could get the cop to prove that-- FUCK

How do the votes stand, Yeano? I'm still going to cast mine for Malas.

February 14, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

I've been thinking about it, and I think it's best to determine who is telling the truth by voting for Malas. We'd have figured out two people of the Mafia either way.

February 14, 2012
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Shadowwalked

I'm not voting this round. I need to see what happens first.

February 15, 2012
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poptart!
 

Fair enough.

And so chiefsonny is the last one to report with a vote.

February 15, 2012
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`Roxas`

I like this game, as a future idea maybe there should be a bit
More mafia and maybe another townie role or 2 like the cop
Or doctor

And definatley no numbers but that has been discussed

February 15, 2012
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#85

Well I've read through these post at least a dozen times and the thing that still bothers me is white lancer claiming he was Townie2, when Knukles claimed he was #2 after he was offed.

Did he get caught in a lie or was Knukles just BSing us? And if he was dead, what would he have to gain?

By my count, we have a little over 20 hours left to vote, right?

To be very honest, I have not decided yet. It's between white lancer and Malas. The mob mentality still bothers me though.

Can we get a count as to how the votes stand from Yeano?

February 15, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

white lancer is a likely candidate as well if knuckles claimed to be townie #2 (he's now dead and was a townie, so why would *he* lie?).

However at this point in time Malas seems the most likely because he didn't disclose his townie number despite posting after my second strategy, MM9 says he's mafia, and he's been strangely silent all the while we've been accusing him.

According to my system, we have two people that haven't revealed their townie number (Malas and Black Yoshi), one person that claimed a townie number also claimed by someone who died (white lancer), and two cops (BCB and Majora's Mask 9). That's five people, and there are four mafia. Since no one else has claimed Helius' townie number, he's probably legit, which means BCB is lying, which means Majora's Mask is the cop, which means Malas is mafia.

February 15, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

At this point in time, we don't even need a cop, but if we can narrow down who it is (or if the mafia does it for us), then the cop can check out the candidates who seem least likely to be mafia and we can win this game in a few short rounds.

February 15, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

At a 5-0 result, so long as we don't go off killing each other blindly.

ALSO

A little over 22 hours remain to vote.

February 15, 2012
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`Roxas`

Well, I guess we have to leap and find out. I like this game. Hahaha

February 15, 2012
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Helius

Indeed, RL.

February 15, 2012
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`Roxas`

Well I know I'm going to regret this.
I've already picked wrong twice and sent fellow townies to the hangman, but here goes.

I vote for Malas.

Anybody that would steal internet service from a 70 year old lady that sells bread for a living, is capable of killing a townie.{:P}

February 16, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Well since we kind of cheated and pretty much know should we restart? Switch roles? Just play it out ?

February 16, 2012
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#85

Play it out. If I knew about this exploit before we had killed two innocent people it would have been different. Also the mafia should have pretended to be the same townie numbers as people that were suspicious (like Helius or #85) rather than saying nothing or skipping the question entirely. BCB (if he's mafia, and we'll find out shortly if MM9 is) did the right thing by pretending to be a cop.

February 16, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

On an unrelated note, I just cheated and subsequently disqualified myself. The temptation to see if my second system was right or not, as well as look at the role-specific threads, was too great. On the plus side, I lasted for nearly three game days before hacking into the site data.

No, I won't reveal anything.

February 16, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

HOLY CRAP I FEEL SO POPULAR.

I've not been keeping up with this since I'm dead anyway. since I don't think it was cleared up, I was Townie10. my suspicions about who the mafia are don't matter either, but I'd just like to throw my two cents in and say that it completely defeats the purpose of the game when people say which role they are (whether they're lying or not) and imo it should be against the rules & voting should be private just like the mafia/cop/doctor roles' actions are private. I voted for Roxas (jokingly, as there's pretty much no way to tell who's who during the first round) and was subsequently lynched because he voiced his suspicions against me simply for voting for him. people are far too susceptible to herd mentality (myself included, I won't even lie) and having suspicion for people that voted for them for public voting to be fair.

again, just my two cents. complete with run-on sentences.

February 16, 2012
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Kassie The Eevee

I also saw everyone's roles, when the programming went down and all of the posts were revealed. Of course, I already knew everyone's roles so I didn't think it was a problem.

Also the mafia should have pretended to be the same townie numbers as people that were suspicious (like Helius or #85) rather than saying nothing or skipping the question entirely.

I would have expected that claiming the townie number of someone who was already dead would have worked, but apparently the dead are allowed to talk in this game (which is not something I've ever seen in any Mafia game I've ever played).

And Kassie, I 100% agree that saying what role you are, or at least what specific Townie number you are, defeats the purpose of the game. Doing that basically made the whole thing obvious.

February 16, 2012
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white lancer

Well, when I reprogram it, I'll make "townie" be the sole role for all townies and just prohibit them from viewing townie posts. Although honestly there's not much point in making a new post at all since Yeano hosts the various posts.

February 16, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Also I'm the cop. I checked Yeano on Day 1 and he's Mafia, and checked myself on Day 2 and I'm also mafia.

February 16, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Yeano is the Don of the Mafia! {:P}

February 16, 2012
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Feral

Less than an hour remains.

February 16, 2012
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`Roxas`

Also, Kassie, my vote for you was not because you voted for me, it was based on your lack of posting if anything.

February 16, 2012
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`Roxas`

Sorry about not posting sooner. I was extremely busy with student government work and class work.

NIGHT ROUND 3:

During the day, Xhin broke into the mafia headquarters because he was impatient and wanted to die sooner. As expected, a large boulder fell on his head instantly crushing him. Say farewell to Xhin, the Townie!

Also, the town, with 6 votes, ended up lynching Malas. He tried to avoid suspicion, but his talking wasn't smooth enough. Malas, the Mafioso, is now dead.

Player List:

1. Xhin - (Townie)
2. chiefsonny
3. RubyLizard
4. LLight - (Townie)
5. Kassie the Eevee - (Townie)
6. Feral - (Townie)
7. MajorasMask9
8. Black Yoshi
9. Shadowwalked
10. poptart!
11. Knukles2000 - (Townie)
12. Helius
13. white lancer
14. `Roxas`
15. BCB
16. Malas - (Mafia)
17. #85

Ratio: 3-8.

Roles: Mafia (3), Doctor (1), Cop (1), Townies (6)

You have 24 hours to get your night actions in.

ALSO! Kassie the Eevee, you are not allowed to speak when dead. I won't penalize you this time, but in the future, you will receive a penalty for breaking that rule!

February 16, 2012
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Yeano

Just to clarify, Yeano, does that rule also apply to making Dead posts with game information in the title?

February 16, 2012
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white lancer

Yes.

February 16, 2012
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Yeano

Bury me in New Jersey.

February 16, 2012
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Malas

Uwaoo, I know who is who and it's not because I broke into the mafia post. It's interesting to see how you guys play.

February 16, 2012
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LLight

DAY ROUND 4:

During the night, the mafia struck again. Itching powder was placed in a player's bed. He soon jumped out, and ran to his shower to get rid of the terrible itch. But instead of water, acid came out! With his skin burning, he ran out of his bathroom, and then tripped over a cord in front of his stairs. He tumbled down the stairs where the Mafia shot him to death. May `Roxas`, the Townie, rest in peace.

Player List:

1. Xhin - (Townie)
2. chiefsonny
3. RubyLizard
4. LLight - (Townie)
5. Kassie the Eevee - (Townie)
6. Feral - (Townie)
7. MajorasMask9
8. Black Yoshi
9. Shadowwalked
10. poptart!
11. Knukles2000 - (Townie)
12. Helius
13. white lancer
14. `Roxas` - (Townie)
15. BCB
16. Malas - (Mafia)
17. #85

Ratio: 3-7.

Roles: Mafia (3), Doctor (1), Cop (1), Townies (5)

You have 72 hours to get your votes in (or 6 votes for one person).

February 17, 2012
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Yeano

Well, I think that it goes without saying that since MajorasMask9 has been verified, that we vote for BCB today.

February 17, 2012
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Shadowwalked

I vote for that Lancer fellow. He seems shady to me.

February 17, 2012
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white lancer

Additionally, I checked Black Yoshi and he's mafia as well.

Voting for BCB.

February 17, 2012
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MajorasMask9

I vote for BCB.

February 17, 2012
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Helius

If I'm right about who you guys are, you can go ahead and kill me. Also, thanks a lot for killing my good friend Roxas, you evil boobs.

Roxas was a good lad, and will be missed by all.

And if I didn't make it clear, my vote will also go to BCB.

February 17, 2012
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Shadowwalked

Also, thanks a lot for killing my good friend Roxas, you evil boobs.

He had to go....

The joke's on you guys, though. Getting lynched by an angry mob was one of the things on my bucket list.

brb skydiving

February 17, 2012
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BCB

Vote for BCB

February 17, 2012
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#85

I was going to vote for white lancer, but

"He had to go...."

this made me change my mind.

Vote for BCB

Hope I'm not wrong.

February 17, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

NIGHT ROUND 4:

Very quickly the town teamed up against BCB. He didn't even have a chance to defend himself. The noose around his neck did all the talking. He was a Mafioso.

Player List:

1. Xhin - (Townie)
2. chiefsonny
3. RubyLizard
4. LLight - (Townie)
5. Kassie the Eevee - (Townie)
6. Feral - (Townie)
7. MajorasMask9
8. Black Yoshi
9. Shadowwalked
10. poptart!
11. Knukles2000 - (Townie)
12. Helius
13. white lancer
14. `Roxas` - (Townie)
15. BCB - (Mafia)
16. Malas - (Mafia)
17. #85

Ratio: 2-7.

Roles: Mafia (2), Doctor (1), Cop (1), Townies (5)

You have 24 hours to get your night actions in.

February 18, 2012
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Yeano

That's some slick detective work you've done there, sheriff.

February 18, 2012
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LLight

Continued in [p:59985]

February 18, 2012
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Yeano

Thread Index for Game 1

Thread 1 - [p:59636]
Thread 2 - [p:59811]
Thread 3 - [p:59985]
Mafia Thread - [p:59637]
Cop Thread - [p:59727]
Doctor Thread - [p:59728]
Player Scores Thread - [p:60135]

Note: Replies from this game are missing due to a site glitch.

May 16, 2014
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MajorasMask9

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