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Let's run it all back, shall we?

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White Thunder

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Correction: 10 votes for the same option.

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hezekiah

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Well that seemed like a pretty good start. I'm going to assume that Black Yoshi and Redack are innocent, seeing how they were the among first (along with white lancer, God rest his soul) to openly admit their suspicions of Roxas. On a similar note, I'll keep my eye on Female Alpha Wolf, since she was the only one to explain Roxas's words/defend him early on, as far as I know.

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Frustro

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I'm alive! Oh glorious day! O jubilant morn!

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Xhin

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But seriously, I need to read over the last post.

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Xhin

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I pretty much feel the same way as Frustro. Female Alpha Wolf "defending" Roxas was the thing that immediately caught my attention, but you can see why considering how early in the game it was and how little information we had. Still, I'm always a bit suspicious when people try to subtly shift suspicion off of someone.

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MajorasMask9

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The only reason I came to Roxas "defense" was just to offer my side of what I thought his sentence meant. No point in trying to use something against someone if its not even accurate.
Granted I was also suspicious of Roxas but wasn't able to get my vote in. Frustro has been after me since the start of this game on MSN so I wouldn't really trust that accusation against me, and its actually making me suspicious of him.

But back to white lancer. I'm assuming that the Lazy Janitor got to him. He at first playfully accessed Xhin, but I'm not sure if Mafia would go straight for him for that (that saying that Xhin is Mafia). Maybe someone's to falsely role claim?

I'm just thinking out loud here.

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Female Alpha Wolf

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Damn. Mafia took out one of our best players. Let's just hope to God he wasn't the Orange Agent or the Doctor or we're royally screwed...

...that said, I'll have to see how this round develops before casting a vote.

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Black Yoshi

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I'd be interested in hearing people's suspicions from the previews round (one or two people claimed to have suspicions). They might be baseless, but it'd give everyone else something to consider as they're building their own suspicions.

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Redack

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That said I'm pretty sure I've figured out who our orange agent is. I won't say who, in case I am right, but if they die with their body hidden then I'll mention who.

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Redack

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There's a can of worms I feel I should open, lest I regret not doing so later on..... Since we were all opting to lynch Zanic, that meant Roxas was going to die anyway, so Mafia members would have nothing to lose by voting for Roxas, but they would be gaining our trust by doing so.

And so now I'm too paranoid to trust anyone. :(

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Jo Nathan

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so Mafia members would have nothing to lose by voting for Roxas

Mafia tend to vote each other off anyway because that way you can't use the "who didn't vote for them" strategy.

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Redack

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Ok then. Please forgive my noobishness for stating the obvious. {:P}

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Jo Nathan

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It's actually better to look at who DID vote for `roxas`. It's like a sensor but all the mafia probably voted for him.

Possible mafia members: chiefsonny, Redack, Yeano, Black Yoshi, White Thunder, white lancer, CtR Black, Zanic, Jo Nathan, MajorasMask9, Frustro

Because the ratio is so low, probably all three of the mafia are in here.

Yes, I could be a mafia member that's leading you astray, so I'd advise you to kill me at some point if you think so. I'm just a townie so it wouldn't do any damage.

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Oops, forgot white lancer and zanic were dead

Possible mafia members: chiefsonny, Redack, Yeano, Black Yoshi, White Thunder, CtR Black, Jo Nathan, MajorasMask9, Frustro

If we have nothing else to go on, that's only 8 members so we should kill someone out of that group every day. If we make this our primary strategy then the mafia will naturally kill the other group to keep themselves concealed for as long as possible.

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[quote]There's a can of worms I feel I should open, lest I regret not doing so later on..... Since we were all opting to lynch Zanic, that meant Roxas was going to die anyway, so Mafia members would have nothing to lose by voting for Roxas, but they would be gaining our trust by doing so. [/quote]

This is true, and it bothered me since I was the first person to vote for Roxas, but if you look at Day 1, you'll notice that Roxas wasn't exactly alright with being lynched at first.

[quote]Why, because I don't see the need to argue a moot point brought about by one person, that being Jo Nathan? Redack and MM9, I can somewhat understand their basis. However, going after somebody because a suggestion that would result with no one person carrying any more load of blame than another? That, in my opinion, is much more suspicious than a mere suggestion.

-Roxas[/quote]

He was arguing a case to get people to not vote for him, while trying not to look too defensive as if he were guilty. Eventually, he seemed to give up--presumably because he was content with dying and killing off the Good Twin--and voted for himself:

[quote]No, I told you I would not discuss my role with you. Period. You then continued on, seemingly accusing me of being the Evil Twin, so yeah, I would get defensive about that. I still see no reason to discuss my role in the game because there is no point in doing so.

`Roxas` Changed his vote to `Roxas`[/quote]

I know in past mafia games when I've been on the mafia side--when it seemed like one of us was going to get lynched and the town didn't have any hard evidence against them--I'd refrain from voting for them until it seemed like there was no way they were getting out of being lynched, since there would still be a chance that they could live through the day. This is pretty natural, because a mafia member's first instinct wouldn't be to throw their fellow mafia members under the bus instantly without talking it through in the mafia thread.

I'm a little suspicious of Black Yoshi. Contrary to what Frustro said, Black Yoshi was actually one of the slowest to vote for Roxas. In fact, it wasn't even until [i]after[/i] Roxas voted for himself that Black Yoshi even mentioned that he was suspicious of Roxas. But honestly I don't really want to vote for him just yet, and would still like to hear other peoples' thoughts.

Also, I disagree with that strategy, Xhin. There are a lot of reasons why the mafia wouldn't vote for Roxas right away, including but not limited to inactivity. You pretty much just listed half of the players in the game anyway. Sticking to those nine is just suicide, because the ratio of mafia:town that voted for Roxas is most likely just about equal to the ratio of mafia:town in the entire game.

There's a can of worms I feel I should open, lest I regret not doing so later on..... Since we were all opting to lynch Zanic, that meant Roxas was going to die anyway, so Mafia members would have nothing to lose by voting for Roxas, but they would be gaining our trust by doing so.

This is true, and it bothered me since I was the first person to vote for Roxas, but if you look at Day 1, you'll notice that Roxas wasn't exactly alright with being lynched at first.

Why, because I don't see the need to argue a moot point brought about by one person, that being Jo Nathan? Redack and MM9, I can somewhat understand their basis. However, going after somebody because a suggestion that would result with no one person carrying any more load of blame than another? That, in my opinion, is much more suspicious than a mere suggestion.

-Roxas

He was arguing a case to get people to not vote for him, while trying not to look too defensive as if he were guilty. Eventually, he seemed to give up--presumably because he was content with dying and killing off the Good Twin--and voted for himself:

No, I told you I would not discuss my role with you. Period. You then continued on, seemingly accusing me of being the Evil Twin, so yeah, I would get defensive about that. I still see no reason to discuss my role in the game because there is no point in doing so.

`Roxas` Changed his vote to `Roxas`

I know in past mafia games when I've been on the mafia side--when it seemed like one of us was going to get lynched and the town didn't have any hard evidence against them--I'd refrain from voting for them until it seemed like there was no way they were getting out of being lynched, since there would still be a chance that they could live through the day. This is pretty natural, because a mafia member's first instinct wouldn't be to throw their fellow mafia members under the bus instantly without talking it through in the mafia thread.

I'm a little suspicious of Black Yoshi. Contrary to what Frustro said, Black Yoshi was actually one of the slowest to vote for Roxas. In fact, it wasn't even until after Roxas voted for himself that Black Yoshi even mentioned that he was suspicious of Roxas. But honestly I don't really want to vote for him just yet, and would still like to hear other peoples' thoughts.

Also, I disagree with that strategy, Xhin. There are a lot of reasons why the mafia wouldn't vote for Roxas right away, including but not limited to inactivity. You pretty much just listed half of the players in the game anyway. Sticking to those nine is just suicide, because the ratio of mafia:town that voted for Roxas is most likely just about equal to the ratio of mafia:town in the entire game.

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MajorasMask9

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Because the ratio is so low, probably all three of the mafia are in here.

There's four Mafia left.

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Redack

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I think chiefsonny is probably innocent. He mentioned "Zanic has claimed to be the Good Twin. We need to kill someone so why not take out Zanic if that means the Evil Twin will also die tonight. ". This was after people started targeting `Roxas`, so if he was mafia, he would have known `Roxas` was the evil twin and wouldn't have mentioned anything about the evil twin at all. It would be pointless for him to take out zanic too since if `roxas` died, zanic would die too (if he was actually the good twin).

Onto Redack. First of all, the phrase "town consensus" is interesting because the word "consensus" doesn't appear elsewhere. Consensus suggests a vague sense of community, so it's possible that Redack is using the word subconsciously to make himself seem more like part of the community. Yes, I realize I'm nitpicking here, so don't go off that alone. It's interesting that Redack: "Redack told me he had a conversation with Roxas over AIM and that Roxas was very defensive when he brought up the Evil Twin." If Redack were a mafia, targeting `roxas` (who was mafia) in that kind of vague way would clear his name. It's exactly the kind of stunt he'd pull too, considering what he did in Game IX. The only problem with that is that white lancer revealed Redack's bid, not Redack himself. Although he may have been planning it.

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Xhin

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There's four Mafia left.

Oops, missed the tally on that. I also counted wrong and there's 9 people in the voted for `roxas` group that are still alive. God I'm tired.

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Xhin

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I'd refrain from voting for them until it seemed like there was no way they were getting out of being lynched, since there would still be a chance that they could live through the day.

That's a very good point, but now it makes you look suspicious and unlike me you haven't asked the town to kill you at some point. You're also arguing against the nine strategy a little too defensively.

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Xhin

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I suspect chiefsonny is in the Mafia. He tried getting us to lynch off inactive players in the previous day. I pointed out that if he happened to be in the Mafia, he could be trying to trick us into lynching an innocent. He still tried justifying this, but when other players started voicing their concerns he backpedaled with this:

And I have no problem with that at all. But some players are always in a hurry to move the game along. However in this game it may be better if we do take our time.

Am I paranoid? Yes. Crazy? Yes.

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Jo Nathan

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You're also arguing against the nine strategy a little too defensively.

I disagreed with your strategy. Don't take things too personally!

and unlike me you haven't asked the town to kill you at some point

This is never a viable strategy. The town wins by keeping its numbers up. Our town's power roles aren't exceedingly useful in terms of information-gathering. You don't just go around saying "Go ahead and kill me, it will prove my role" because the proof is worthless at that point. It just makes you sound suicidal.

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MajorasMask9

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Yeah, but I figure we're going to kill a lot of townies anyway so one extra one doesn't make any difference. I'd prefer it if the town waited a few rounds though as my examinations of stuff might be useful down the road.

Because I died so often in the early games, I've learned to try to make my death practical rather than just avoiding it.

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Xhin

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I disagreed with your strategy. Don't take things too personally!

I'm not taking it personally, the way you went against it was stronger than it should have been if you just thought it was a bad theory.

I say we should lynch MM9 now, and if my intuition on this is wrong, you guys can lynch me tomorrow.

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Xhin

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I'm not taking it personally, the way you went against it was stronger than it should have been if you just thought it was a bad theory.

-Xhin

Also, I disagree with that strategy, Xhin. There are a lot of reasons why the mafia wouldn't vote for Roxas right away, including but not limited to inactivity. You pretty much just listed half of the players in the game anyway. Sticking to those nine is just suicide, because the ratio of mafia:town that voted for Roxas is most likely just about equal to the ratio of mafia:town in the entire game.

-Majora

Highlight the parts that made you think I was overly defensive against it. Had I just said I disagreed with your idea without giving a reason, I think you'd find that just as suspicious as well, am I wrong?

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MajorasMask9

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Sorry about that. Had to be sure you were innocent. With you it seems like it's impossible to tell unless you're actively being attacked.

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Xhin

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I know the Good twin/Evil twin thing throws us off, but Majora was the very first person to actually vote for Roxas yesterday. In my mind that makes him extremely unlikely to be Mafia.

I think we can all agree that at best Xhin is acting suspicious, at worst he's clearly Mafia.

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White Thunder

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Seems like something a Mafia would do. Only a Mafia would be that nitpicky in trying to turn us against one of our own.

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Black Yoshi

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Do I really break that easily when I'm under pressure as mafia?? :(

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MajorasMask9

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I wasn't trying to turn you guys against MM9, I was trying to make MM9 think he was being attacked so I could verify whether he was innocent or not. There was another game where I did this and he ended up being the voodoo lady (or some mob role, I can't remember which). I made nearly baseless accusations in an attempt to get him to say something that would incriminate himself, which he did. What I've noticed with MM9 is that he plays an exceptional game at all times, even if someone goes after him. If they're aggressive enough though, it corners him and he's liable to say something incriminating.

I had to be sure of MM9's innocence early, because how strong of a player he is would make things very bad if we all believed him arbitrarily.

Anyway, as I've said before, you do need to kill me at some point because I'm only going to get more aggressive and otherwise weird from here in an attempt to root out mafia members in unconventional ways. I'd suggest waiting a few rounds (Day 4 would be good) so I can continue to do so.

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Xhin

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Do I really break that easily when I'm under pressure as mafia??

No, you're actually very good at deflecting accusations, whether they're true or not. You only break when you're cornered.

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Xhin

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But see, no one's going to corner you or anyone else for that matter without clear evidence because it makes them look suspicious (as it's doing with me).

My goal this game is to use all kinds of techniques that no one ever uses. It's a weakness that I can exploit because the mafia players think they know how things will play out. If someone's unpredictable enough and can sway opinions to them, then suddenly there's a lot more uncertainty, and mafia members are more likely to slip up.

I can then go in and attack people in unconventional ways and they'd be more likely to really incriminate themselves.

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Xhin

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I don't think Xhin is likely to be guilty. One of the things that stuck out was how he mentioned there were three mafia members alive at this point.

Because the ratio is so low, probably all three of the mafia are in here.

-Xhin

I made a similar mistake last round, because only four *unique* mafia roles are listed in the opening post, while there were actually five.

The mafia would know for sure that are four mafia members alive at this point rather than three, and faking this to look innocent doesn't seem likely considering we already had it clarified by hezekiah last round. It seems like an honest mistake, and a mistake that I don't think someone that was mafia would make.

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MajorasMask9

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the phrase "town consensus" is interesting because the word "consensus" doesn't appear elsewhere.

It's a common word I use, dunno if I've used it in mafia before? Probably have.

If Redack were a mafia, targeting `roxas` (who was mafia) in that kind of vague way would clear his name. It's exactly the kind of stunt he'd pull too, considering what he did in Game IX.

You're right, it's exactly the kind of thing I'd do if I were mafia. However, it's not what I did.

Anyway right now I'm not convinced Xhin is mafia.

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Redack

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It's interesting that the two people to immediately vote for me also voted for `roxas`. No, that doesn't say anything because they could simply be trigger-happy. But still, interesting.

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Xhin

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Seems like something a Mafia would do. Only a Mafia would be that nitpicky in trying to turn us against one of our own.

To me this screams of "I'm jumping on this to get a townie lynched off". Anyone else?

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Redack

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I don't see the correlation because just about everyone voted for Roxas anyway.

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Jo Nathan

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It was said by Black Yoshi for anyone wondering.

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Redack

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I agree that Black Yoshi has been suspicious. I've listed reasons why I think he could be mafia, and I do agree with Redack in this case as well.

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MajorasMask9

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To me this screams of "I'm jumping on this to get a townie lynched off". Anyone else?

Yeah I saw that too. I'd like to go over black yoshi's round 1 posts first though and see if I can spot any glaring signs of guilt or innocence.

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Xhin

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Okay I went over black yoshi's posts for round 1. What strikes me as odd is how passively he plays in round 1 -- ie "nothing to go on now", "I have suspicions but they aren't strong enough" and "oh you guys are voting for roxas? Sounds good to me".

He's like that here too: "I'll have to see how this round develops before casting a vote."

Then suddenly MM9 voices suspicions about him and he's on my list and he turns real aggressive:

Seems like something a Mafia would do. Only a Mafia would be that nitpicky in trying to turn us against one of our own.

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Xhin

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I agree that Xhin isn't mafia.

As soon as I saw him vote for Majora in the way he did, I immediately knew he was trying to pull Majora into the same old trap.

However, Xhin, I'm sure Majora knew that too. He's smart, as you know, and I'm sure he would recognize a move that defeated him once. So don't be so certain that he isn't mafia because of that little test.

That being said, I don't suspect Majora of being mafia either. I'm just saying that Xhin's little stunt, as entertaining as it is, might not be as much evidence as we thought.

Of course, it would be far more entertaining of Xhin and Majora were in cahoots putting on a little stunt to make the town think both were innocent. Again, I have no reason to suspect that at this time, but it's a possibility to keep in mind.

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I was going to stop persuing this, considering it seems like something a lot of people might do, but I guess I was a little suspicious of the way that Black Yoshi referred to Female Alpha Wolf in round 1.

What FAW said. After all, there's only five Mafia and fourteen of us, so voting at random would only give us a little over one in three shot at hitting someone in the Mafia. Not to mention everyone would be voting someone different if we all voted randomly, so the chances that we'd all hit a Mafia are actually more like one in 3^12, or one in a gargantuan number. We'd have a better shot at our Gambler winning the jackpot.

-Black Yoshi

Maybe I'm reading into this way too much, but the fact that he referred to her as "FAW" right off the bat stuck out to me. Not to mention, he's been the only person to refer to her as "FAW," except for Roxas, who we all know was mafia. I know in Game 1 or 2, Black Yoshi initially referred to Shadowwalked as straight up "Shadowwalked", and I think now he just calls him "Shadow." The fact that he jumped straight into an initialism could suggest he'd been talking to or about female alpha wolf in the Mafia thread, but that's honestly a longshot to prove, since I can see why people would use "FAW."

I know Frustro referred to her as "Female Alpha Wolf" earlier in this round though, and that's what I would have used as well to clarify who I was talking about as well. Like I said though, this is a longshot to prove; it could easily be disproven, especially if they know each other from other forums. It's just something I guess you could consider on top of what's already been brought up.

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MajorasMask9

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Ok well, seems to me that between the three of us we've got enough on Black Yoshi... So I'll vote first and if we're wrong I'll gladly take the fall.

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Redack

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I'll go ahead and vote too since I have nothing to lose.

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Xhin

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@Jo Nathan, If you're going to quote me, please check the conversations that led to that statement instead of taking it out of context. Here's the conversation that led up to my quote that you posted.

chiefsonny:

Let's wait at least 24 hours to give these people a chance to make a post. If one or more still have not posted at the end of that time, we can then discuss another tool we can use.
Get rid of the inactive players first.
It's going to be hard enough knowing who to kill without inactive players making it even harder.

`Roxas`:

So wait, because a player (or players) don't post within the first 24 hours of talking we kill them? I say wait until Day Two or Three to even consider killing inactive players.

chiefsonny:

And I have no problem with that at all. But some players are always in a hurry to move the game along. However in this game it may be better if we do take our time.

Anybody that's played this game before will tell you that I have always been against keeping players that don't play and getting rid of the ones that do, regardless of what side they are on. For that matter I think they should be host killed.

For example. During the first Day round, Kyon was posting in other forums on the site and even signed up to play in Shadow's game.

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That's fair enough.

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I'm voting for Black Yoshi.

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MajorasMask9

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For the sake of being fair, I will rescind my vote for Kyon until the end of of the 2nd day of this Day round.

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What...so, I get a little aggressive and suddenly everyone thinks I'm Mafia? Same as every game -- someone gets a little aggressive (coughcoughKnuklescoughcough), and instantly we all jump on them as if they're Mafia, even if they're not.

And the only reason I called her "FAW" was because that's what I see all the time around the site, not just in the Mafia game.

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Black Yoshi

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"And the only reason I called her "FAW" was because that's what I see all the time around the site, not just in the Mafia game."

Ok. I figured it might be nothing, but I thought it might be worth mentioning anyway, just in case.

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Well, I'm voting for Black Yoshi.

And it is because of what Redack said.

Seems like something a Mafia would do. Only a Mafia would be that nitpicky in trying to turn us against one of our own.

At first, I wasn't tipped off because I thought about the message and idea behind this statement. In general, I understand why someone thinks the main concept behind this idea is scummy, but I don't really think it is overtly scummy.

The part that gets me is the wording of the statement - the specific way in which he said it. Really, it's the second sentence. Only a mafia would be so nitpicky, eh? Well, maybe I take some offense to that because I am generally nitpicky in mafia, especially when I make accusations (sometimes that's the only way to catch someone).

Additionally, the next phrase seems very contrived. "trying to turn us against one of our own."

It seems like he's trying too hard to be part of the flock - a normal townie or at least, town-sided. It's overkill. Additionally, how does Black Yoshi know that Majora is, indeed, one of "our own"? It seems like it may be a slip up by a mafioso. Only the mafia members would know who is and who isn't town-sided for sure. While I don't have reason to suspect Majora is mafia at this juncture, I'm certainly not writing him off as guaranteed town-sided. In attempting to fit in, Black Yoshi revealed too much.

If I were Black Yoshi, I would have said something like this. "Xhin is really attacking Majora without any basis. That seems like something a member of the Mafia would do." But no, it was the wording that caught Black Yoshi.

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Only a Mafia would be that nitpicky in trying to turn us against one of our own.

The first part of the sentence is saying the nitpicker is a Mafia, so I feel it's implied the person being nitpicked is innocent. In that regard, I feel Black Yoshi's sentence holds up.

I'd typically be too paranoid to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, but I really feel the Mafia may just be making an easy target out of Black Yoshi and counting on nobody speaking up. The Mafia can't afford to lose two people in the first two days so I would expect them to try awfully hard to get rid of an innocent quickly.

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Yeah but the mafia wouldn't push so hard that it ousted them. If Black Yoshi is mafia, they're probably keeping quiet, wringing their hands. If he isn't, they're probably not leading the charge because they know it'll make them look suspicious later.

Also I want to go over thread 1 some more, in case I die tonight. I'd retract my vote but that would put me on even footing with the guys trying to lynch me.

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Xhin

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Exactly, Yeano, and I've never been one for natural good word choice in this game, as this sentence proves; whether I'm Mafia or otherwise, it takes me a good five or ten minutes for each post. It's so easy for me to say something stupid and incriminate myself.

That said, there is something off about your argument, Yeano; for the record, I assumed Majora was innocent since he was the first person to vote for Roxas last round, and in my mind that's just not something a Mafia would do. Perhaps later in the game; I've seen that in the last couple of rounds of some games I've watched/played, but right off the bat?

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I'm a little suspicious of Black Yoshi. Contrary to what Frustro said, Black Yoshi was actually one of the slowest to vote for Roxas.

I actually meant that YOU (MajorasMask9) and Redack were innocent on my list, not Black Yoshi (though I wasn't suspicious of him at that point anyway either). Sorry about that uber-derp moment. I'm also not about to ignore the fact that that typo on my part looks awfully coincidental, seeing how everyone's now turning against Black Yoshi, and I could just as easily go "Oh crap better jump back into the herd!" Just know that I do derp that hard, especially when I know virtually no one here, sans Female Alpha Wolf.

But speaking of paranoia, I'm not about to take my eyes off Xhin. His strategy of "Let's pick off everyone who voted for Roxas" seems sort of.. suicidal for the game. Not to mention trying to turn the spotlight onto MajorasMask9, who in my book is completely innocent, is fishy to me. And I don't know if this is what he usually does, but his overly-goofy attitude sometimes seems contrived. If that is his general behavior, I'll back off on that front. : P

On the subject of Black Yoshi, I didn't really notice anything odd in his behavior for a time, but when MajorasMask9 voiced his suspicions of him, he got really defensive really fast. To me, that either means he's Mafia, or has an important power role that he's not inclined to share yet. Either way, I'll either be voting for Xhin, or Black Yoshi.

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If Majora is mafia, he's playing excellently so far. No point in voting for him right now though because it's too unlikely that he's mafia. It's better to aim for the ones that are playing less strongly. We can re-evaluate MM9 later, hopefully once more mafia are dead.

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That's not my strategy, that's more a starting point for figuring out who to lynch, so I'm going to be focusing on that group exclusively unless something catches my attention in the main threads. I agree that we do need to lynch someone every round; there's no real downside to it this game because our power roles are so weak.

The less people that are in play, the more of a chance we have of hitting mafia members too.

What struck me about you, Black Yoshi, isn't the FAW thing or the trying to instantly lynch me thing, but suddenly switching to an aggressive style as soon as MM9 suspected you and you were in my pool. If you look at the last round, you played a very un-aggressive "go with the consensus" style. Here, you're not only "hmm well xhin seems like mafia" but you're voting for me at the same time.

I did this with MM9, but I was playing a game with it and retracted it as soon as I thought he was innocent. You still have a vote for me locked in, so my guess is that you are honestly trying to kill me. But it's strange for you to be that aggressive suddenly when previously you were one of the most pacifistic here.

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I can't tell anything with yeano, except that he uses the word "guys" strangely. No one here (except MM9) has ever played a game with MM9 though so it's hard to tell what his style is or how he phrases things when he's in different roles.

White thunder didn't post at all until after chiefsonny called him out about it. Granted, I barely posted at all too so you can't really go on that.

CtR Black is playing about how Black Yoshi did, but he's more quiet, and slightly more aggressive. Nothing really stands out except that he understands mafia tradition and the random feature. Nothing to really go on with that though.

Jo Nathan has been relatively aggressive with his voting. I can't say much about that since he's a new player. It's good to see a new guy be active. I don't think his vote for me was suspicious on its own since on round 1 he intuitively voted for white lancer. To me, something about him strikes me as off though, similar to how I feel about Yeano. Can't really go on anything else though, it's just a hunch.

MM9 I believe to be innocent as I've said, or he's guilty and he's playing so well it's pointless to vote him off this early.

Frustro mentioned my "goofiness" although he made a goofy comment in round 1. What I've noticed about the mafia game is that mafia members may show camraderie with their fellow townies, but they're never overly goofy because it puts them in the spotlight somewhat and it's easier for them to slip something anyway if they're a little too open. He did that this round too, so in my book he's probably innocent

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*played a game with Yeano

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My guess is that the ratio of mafia is:

1 was `Roxas`
2-3 voted for `Roxas`
1-2 are trying to slip under the radar
0-1 are inactive

The reason I think most of the mafia voted for `roxas` at some point is because killing one of their own gives them more credibility. They're not all going to take the same strategy though, so there's at least one person in the other pool.

It's also kind of a benefit that by losing one of their own the town loses one of its own as well

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Right now my chief suspects are Black Yoshi (obviously) and Jo Nathan. Yeano or White Thunder may be trying to play under the radar, but it's hard to tell because they haven't posted much.

In my mind out of the pool, the people least likely to be mafia out of the `roxas` pool (in order of least guilty to most) are Frustro, chiefsonny, then Redack, CtR Black and finally MM9 (yeano has me paranoid :/).

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Feral made only one post to inform people he was having computer issues. A lot of people this game seem to have IRL issues, I'm convinced that at least one of them is fake but I can't tell which one.

chiefsonny has a good point that Kyon hasn't done anything here despite being active in other mafia games and posting elsewhere on the site during this time. I think we should try to lynch him at some point to get him to say anything, anything at all.

Nothing stands out about Count Dooku except more excused inactivity.

Trever is the only one to suggest a mass role reveal. In this game, that's suicide because of the lack of power roles compared to townies and how crippled the doctor and other power roles are. His standards are way too high too (fewer than 2 mafia kills by day 3? that's insane). Trever also focuses a bit too much on "mafia accusations". He seems like the most guilty out of the non-`roxas` pool. It's also interesting that he didn't vote at all one way or another for `Roxas` or anyone else.

The only issues we can seem to point out about FAW is the use of the word "FAW". If we kill black yoshi and he's guilty then that, plus her defense of roxas will incriminate her somewhat. If Frustro turns out to be guilty, FAW is probably innocent because of him trying to contact her on MSN instead of through the mafia thread. FAW hasn't posted much, but she's a new player so eh.

Shadowwalked only posted once, and he's always a dangerous wildcard. I can't really tell anything off his post though, he seems to be overevaluating the agent orange situation but not paying attention to anything too much. So he's neutral for me right now but it's always good to watch him.

My most suspicious out of the non-`Roxas` pool are Trever Leingod, followed by Kyon. The others are too inactive to figure anything out about them.

Feral made only one post to inform people he was having computer issues. A lot of people this game seem to have IRL issues, I'm convinced that at least one of them is fake but I can't tell which one.

chiefsonny has a good point that Kyon hasn't done anything here despite being active in other mafia games and posting elsewhere on the site during this time. I think we should try to lynch him at some point to get him to say anything, anything at all.

Nothing stands out about Count Dooku except more excused inactivity.

Trever is the only one to suggest a mass role reveal. In this game, that's suicide because of the lack of power roles compared to townies and how crippled the doctor and other power roles are. His standards are way too high too (fewer than 2 mafia kills by day 3? that's insane). Trever also focuses a bit too much on "mafia accusations". He seems like the most guilty out of the non-`roxas` pool. It's also interesting that he didn't vote at all one way or another for `Roxas` or anyone else.

The only issues we can seem to point out about FAW is the use of the word "FAW". If we kill black yoshi and he's guilty then that, plus her defense of roxas will incriminate her somewhat. If Frustro turns out to be guilty, FAW is probably innocent because of him trying to contact her on MSN instead of through the mafia thread. FAW hasn't posted much, but she's a new player so eh.

Shadowwalked only posted once, and he's always a dangerous wildcard. I can't really tell anything off his post though, he seems to be overevaluating the agent orange situation but not paying attention to anything too much. So he's neutral for me right now but it's always good to watch him.

My most suspicious out of the non-`Roxas` pool are Trever Leingod, followed by Kyon. The others are too inactive to figure anything out about them.

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List of people with "IRL issues"

White Thunder

Feral

Count Dooku

Shadowwalked (he contacted me over AIM a week ago to say he'd be busy the 16th-17th which is why I made the aliens game start on the 18th).

One of these could be faking.

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Okay, enough flooding of the post.

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One final point (I have to go to work and you never know whether you'll die or not in that time). If I had to assemble a list of the most probable mafia, they would be:

Black Yoshi, Jo Nathan, Trever Leingod, `Roxas`, and Kyon/Yeano/FAW

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A lot of people this game seem to have IRL issues, I'm convinced that at least one of them is fake but I can't tell which one.

Nothing stands out about Count Dooku except more excused inactivity.

His reasons for being inactive at definitely not fake, I'll promise you that on my life {:)}. That said, I am a bit suspicious he may be mafia and his inactivity is helping him go under the radar.

Feral did make a post on the mod forum informing us he had Internet troubles (a competition is on hold because he's gone!) so it seems a bit of a long way to go just to hide in the mafia game {:P} same as Dooku, a bit suspicious as the inactivity could be helping him go under the radar.

Kyon I've no idea, he could've forgotten about the game but meh seems like then you're making excuses for him.

If they don't become active in a round of two it'd be worth targeting them simply to be certain they aren't mafia avoiding detection.

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.. Alright so all that kinda threw off my wariness of Xhin. Unless he was really hellbent on looking innocent, I highly doubt a Mafia would be that bold in their analysis of the entire situation. Which means that my vote at the moment would have to be for Black Yoshi.

Back to the subject of Female Alpha Wolf, I don't feel compelled to nominate her for a lynching quite yet. Aside from defending Roxas last post, she hasn't said anything that catches my attention. As for msn convo's, I know I'd get supremely upset if they got dragged into this game, so I don't feel comfortable doing that to her ~~but if she does say something that's a blaring red flag, I'll be sure to start voting for her~~.

Anyway, unless any compelling evidence sways me, I'm voting for Black Yoshi.

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FAW, guys.

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^ 2scummy

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Sorry I haven't posted today. Today was soooooooo wacky.
But yes, FAW is something that people on GT have always referred to me by. I'm honestly surprised so many people are actually taking the time to spell out my name.

But I can assure you that I'm a regular townie. My vote in this round should hint to that (especially since I did not vote last round). After reading and thinking through everything, I think I agree with the majority of the people here, unless something sways my vote...

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Bah. I'm trying to change my vote from my phone but it's giving me issues with the drop-down. I'll have to do it from my computer in a bit.

Xhin, can you tell me why I'm one of your suspects, besides possibly the fact that I voted for you? I know you probably wont be able to respond for some time so that's fine. I'm just curious.

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o

or has an important power role that he's not inclined to share yet.

o
o Frustro hit it on the nose -- I just haven't revealed yet so as to keep the Mafia off my trail. I'm the Orange Agent. I haven't attempted to murder anyone for the same reason I waited so long last game to use the Gun -- given that whomever's house I burn down would burn anyone inside of it to cinders, and given the chance that I would be one of those inside, I've been biding my time until I'm damned sure of whom to go after. As I've said, I've got a few suspects on my list, but I've no leads strong enough to follow.

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Taking my vote off of Black Yoshi before I leave for the night, will post more thoughts when I'm on a computer tomorrow!

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Frustro hit it on the nose -- I just haven't revealed yet so as to keep the Mafia off my trail. I'm the Orange Agent. I haven't attempted to murder anyone for the same reason I waited so long last game to use the Gun

With that being said, I'm now 50/50 on the matter.

The exact reason people were claiming he was Mafia last game was because he claimed the Fisherman role but never used the Magnifying Glass, for the exact reason he stated here. He wanted to be extra sure.

So with that being said, I'm not really sure at this point in time.

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Forgive me for the bullheadedness, Yoshi, but I'm still not convinced. It seems convenient that you'd jump at my "or maybe" option at this moment - especially claiming to be what's probably THE most important role in the game. True, your actions in the last game would support the "I was just waiting" claim, but this still doesn't sit right with me. Maybe if you left some clues to your role, I'd be inclined to believe you?

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I would, but I was going to do the same when I was Cop in Game 9 (Xhin's first attempt at a Mafia game), only to be told it would lead to a host-kill.

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I meant Xhin's first attempt at HOSTING a Mafia game (the one we had to quit in the middle of to start anew). Damn this lack of an edit feature...

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I just haven't revealed yet so as to keep the Mafia off my trail. I'm the Orange Agent.

So you waited until there were 6 votes to lynch you before you decided to claim to be a town sided power role.
And you say waited because you didn't know who to kill and you did not want to take the chance of getting killed yourself in the fire.

But you're willing to reveal now even though it would put a target on your back for a Mafia kill. But a member of the Mafia could make a claim to that town sided role knowing he was safe.

You convinced me that you're Mafia. Had some doubts before, but not anymore.

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It's interesting that you'd claim the most important role in the game to try to get everyone off your back -- especially since two votes away from you would get me lynched in a day and a half.

On a related note, I think the gambler and double-voter should reveal at some point to narrow the suspects list down. Unlike other roles, they're fairly worthless against the mafia so wouldn't really be targets.

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One issue with the double-voter is that the host has to actually be here. Last game the double voter appeared suspicious a lot because I wasn't here and I'd get here after the cutoff had been passed.

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After watching some youtube videos and thinking it over, no matter how much I can justify it in my mind from seeing previous games, it is rather strange to reveal so quickly and then claim the biggest role.

If I wanted to slightly reveal but still kinda be hidden I would have just dropped some hints to my role (like I did about two posts up).

I'm changing my vote back and keeping it this time.

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So you think the host isn't here then, Xhin?

Anyway, I will (and have) stated whose vote causes the round to end.

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Right now I'm on vacation and I'm moving into my dorm in a few days so I've been dealing with that, I made a post in the mod forum about it a couple weeks ago if a mod/admin wants to check. Mostly been spending copious amounts of time in an automobile (I don't have a smartphone or any 3G device) and am now all the way across the country from where I started. Last day round I didn't even get on to check or read until the end there, and I did cast the deciding vote for Roxas.

I think Xhin has mostly absolved himself in my mind this round, although not entirely. Any time someone plays so far out of the ordinary I can't really completely think them innocent. But certainly his posts today have been helpful and seem to point toward him wanting the town to win.

Not totally sold on Yoshi's guilt, it is my observation in past Mafia games that he just plays in a way that makes people suspicious of him. I'm split on whether or not, if the real Orange Agent is out there, if they should reveal; it may or may not be worth their identity to take out one Mafia member. Of course, lancer could have been the Orange Agent.

With that said Yoshi is easily the most suspicious player here, and without a cop a No Kill doesn't do much, so, at least for now,

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I'm the Orange Agent.

If I ever had any doubt, you just destroyed it {:P}. As I said previously, I'm pretty certain I know who the orange agent is and the evidence doesn't point to it being you.

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I'd also advise that the real orange agent doesn't counter claim because if Yoshi is mafia (which I'm sure he is at this point) he's just trying to draw you out before he goes down.

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Of course, lancer could have been the Orange Agent.

IIRC the Orange Agents acts like a paranoid gun owner, so if white lancer was the Orange Agent we'd have one more death.

I find it suspicious that some other people aren't skeptical about Black Yoshi's claim. Like chiefsonny, who's basically saying "Black Yoshi is suspicious for roleclaiming when he's about to get lynched. He should have roleclaimed earlier, but also shouldn't have roleclaimed at all." I remember last game or so you claimed Gambler when you were close to getting lynched, so I know you know the significance of claiming a role to save yourself from a lynching.

Still thinking things over. Not sure if I agree with lynching Black Yoshi at this point.

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Some good arguments are brought to the table so I'm changing my vote. However, if Black Yoshi turns out to be innocent I'll have my eye on a couple people... (shifty)

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I remember last game or so you claimed Gambler when you were close to getting lynched

That's true to a point. The Gambler was the worst role in the game and was of no use to the town at all. I revealed so that the town would not waste a lynch on me when we had bigger fish to catch.
And I really didn't think the Mafia would take out a worthless role. Even though, to be honest, the Dead forum would have been more fun.

Black Yoshi on the other hand is claiming to be the most powerful role the town has. Why would he do that unless he knew he was safe from a Mafia kill.

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I'm going to be traveling this weekend and this is probably the last time I'll get a chance to post until late this evening. It might be the Night round by then anyway, but I guess we'll see.

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While I'm keeping my vote for Black Yoshi, I don't fully agree with your point, chiefsonny.

If the Orange Agent is indeed like the PGO, then the mafia would lose a member killing him. They might still kill him, but it would bring down their numbers to 3, at the very least (if I'm interpreting this right - hezekiah, could you tell us what would happen if the mafia were to target the Orange Agent? I think that would be good to know).

Furthermore, if I were being targeted to for a lynch, and I were the Orange Agent, I would probably reveal too. I mean... 1 night of use (Orange Agent is a high priority night action) - or even 2 nights if the doctor can save the Orange Agent (which, again, I think we need more clarification on when someone would die and wouldn't die) is much better than 0 nights of use, wouldn't you say?

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If the Orange Agent is indeed like the PGO, then the mafia would lose a member killing him.

The main point that I was trying to make is if Black Yoshi is Mafia, he does not have to worry about claiming the role of the Orange Agent, the Mafia won't kill him.
The Doc will protect him and he can take one of us out. He'll know who is Mafia and won't target them.

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I see what you're saying, chiefsonny, but we can't be sure whether Black Yoshi is or is not the Orange Agent at this point. He did counteract the arguments pretty well, and gave a very plausible explanation for his actions thus far.

Ehhhh....

I really don't want to do this, but I think the safest bet would be to vote not to kill today, to be completely honest.

Let's say Black Yoshi really is a mafia member trying to pull the wool over our eyes. Well, I can guarantee that at least one person is not convinced - the orange agent. So if Black Yoshi is a member of the mafia trying to trick us, the real Orange Agent should target Black Yoshi. Then we will be right where we would be if we had lynched Black Yoshi and the Orange Agent chose to do nothing again.

Next, if Black Yoshi is indeed the Orange Agent, like he claims, he can target someone he feels is likely to be in the mafia.

I think this may be the safest way for this round to go, since we're not entirely sure about Black Yoshi.

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I finally got me web issues fixed. I'll be active from here in. As I said in my only other reply, I am an expendable role with no night powers, AKA: Townie. Glad to have no added pressure for once.

I don't really know the roles yet, but after reading through this thread, I agree that Yoshi's claim of Orange Agent(The offspring of James Bond and a citrus fruit? lol) is suspicious.

Feral votes for Black Yoshi(Mobile vote)

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Damn. Mafia took out one of our best players. Let's just hope to God he wasn't the Orange Agent or the Doctor or we're royally screwed...

That right there immediately had me suspicious of Black Yoshi. A few games back when chiefsonny died in white lancer's game, Feral came in and said something like "oh not chiefsonny, one of our best players. I hope he wasn't a power role." And then immediately saying we should wait to see thing unravel to make a vote. And he turned out to be Mafia.

I mean, did any of that need to be said? It's all pretty obvious to everyone. It's like you just have to say something as a Mafia member, but you don't want to say anything suspicious, so you just state the obvious.

I rarely make a vote this early on but I have a strong feeling about this.

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Yeano, I disagree with your idea. There are two possibilities, obviously:

-Black Yoshi is the Orange Agent.
-Somebody else that is alive is the Orange Agent.

If Black Yoshi is the Orange Agent, he should [i]not[/i] kill tonight. We know the Orange Agent is alive in the game, and honestly I don't see the benefit of an Orange Agent kill over a town lynching. The Orange Agent has a possibility of killing themselves at night. Therefore, it would be more a risk for the Orange Agent to kill than to just lynch someone now.

If Black Yoshi is not the Orange Agent, then the Orange Agent should probably take the risk and go for a kill on Black Yoshi. Regardless of the outcome, we'd know whether or not Black Yoshi is telling the truth.

Yeano, I'm suspicious of though. His strategy this round is a direct contradiction to what he said in the first Day Round that we should not no-kill.

[quote]I do agree with Majora, though, that we should kill someone today. If we don't kill anyone, the mafia will slowly pick us off while we do nothing to defend ourselves.

That's a surefire way to defeat, guys.

-Yeano, Day 1[/quote]

I'm sure he's well aware of the fact that the Orange Agent has a 25% chance of killing themselves, so I do find it suspicious that he'd suggest [i]not lynching[/i] and going for an Orange Agent nightkill in its place.

Additionally, I know for a fact Yeano was online when Black Yoshi made his Orange Agent claim, and I know he saw it, because he linked to it in a private group chat:

[quote]08/17 22:48 (yeanogames): waht are you thinking about this intense gtx0 mafia game
08/17 22:50 (digimastermike): That gtx0 never loads
08/17 22:50 (yeanogames): http://168.144.87.33/~alestan/view.php?post=69283[/quote]

Timestamp puts that as more than half an hour after Black Yoshi claimed Orange Agent. He told me that he wanted to take his vote off of Black Yoshi, but he didn't because he "was too lazy/got distracted." I don't buy it. I think it's more likely that he was mafia, taking advantage of the votes that were already in place, wanting to reach the 10 vote minimum required to lynch. Because, the mafia knows that the only way they can kill the Orange Agent without losing one of their own is to lynch them.

I have other reasons for suspicion but I wanted to throw that out there right now in case the round ends since it seems like people are still voting Black Yoshi.

Yeano, I disagree with your idea. There are two possibilities, obviously:

-Black Yoshi is the Orange Agent.
-Somebody else that is alive is the Orange Agent.

If Black Yoshi is the Orange Agent, he should not kill tonight. We know the Orange Agent is alive in the game, and honestly I don't see the benefit of an Orange Agent kill over a town lynching. The Orange Agent has a possibility of killing themselves at night. Therefore, it would be more a risk for the Orange Agent to kill than to just lynch someone now.

If Black Yoshi is not the Orange Agent, then the Orange Agent should probably take the risk and go for a kill on Black Yoshi. Regardless of the outcome, we'd know whether or not Black Yoshi is telling the truth.

Yeano, I'm suspicious of though. His strategy this round is a direct contradiction to what he said in the first Day Round that we should not no-kill.

I do agree with Majora, though, that we should kill someone today. If we don't kill anyone, the mafia will slowly pick us off while we do nothing to defend ourselves.

That's a surefire way to defeat, guys.

-Yeano, Day 1

I'm sure he's well aware of the fact that the Orange Agent has a 25% chance of killing themselves, so I do find it suspicious that he'd suggest not lynching and going for an Orange Agent nightkill in its place.

Additionally, I know for a fact Yeano was online when Black Yoshi made his Orange Agent claim, and I know he saw it, because he linked to it in a private group chat:

08/17 22:48 (yeanogames): waht are you thinking about this intense gtx0 mafia game
08/17 22:50 (digimastermike): That gtx0 never loads
08/17 22:50 (yeanogames): http://168.144.87.33/~alestan/view.php?post=69283

Timestamp puts that as more than half an hour after Black Yoshi claimed Orange Agent. He told me that he wanted to take his vote off of Black Yoshi, but he didn't because he "was too lazy/got distracted." I don't buy it. I think it's more likely that he was mafia, taking advantage of the votes that were already in place, wanting to reach the 10 vote minimum required to lynch. Because, the mafia knows that the only way they can kill the Orange Agent without losing one of their own is to lynch them.

I have other reasons for suspicion but I wanted to throw that out there right now in case the round ends since it seems like people are still voting Black Yoshi.

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Another reason I suspect Yeano is because of what he told me back in Night 1. He told me that if he were to die, that white lancer would most likely be guilty. I thought this was odd, so I asked him why, and the only reason he gave me was because white lancer would be the only person on gtx0 to know how manipulative he could be, since white lancer was there for a mafia game we played on another site.

But I don't buy that either. The game that white lancer and Yeano were a part of, Yeano was at the worst he's been in a long time. Not only did he not win, but he mislynched and got someone who claimed to be--get this--a paranoid gun owner lynched. If this was the only game white lancer saw, I find it hard to belive he'd think Yeano was really such a threat that he should be killed over anyone else on his first game. It doesn't fit.

I think Yeano told me this because he knew white lancer would be the mafia's target. He wanted to get on my good side, so what better way than to say he's suspicious of a person, then act surprised when they end up dead and town-sided the next day?. I think white lancer was only their target because Yeano knows that white lancer is a powerful player, and it would get me to trust him more.

Anyway, voting for Yeano.

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[quote]If Black Yoshi is the Orange Agent, he should not kill tonight. We know the Orange Agent is alive in the game, and honestly I don't see the benefit of an Orange Agent kill over a town lynching. The Orange Agent has a possibility of killing themselves at night. Therefore, it would be more a risk for the Orange Agent to kill than to just lynch someone now.[/quote]

So you're saying that if Black Yoshi is indeed the Orange Agent, it would be better for him not to kill tonight?  And then the Mafia kill him, right?  That's what would happen.  Then he would have served no purpose.

[quote]Yeano, I'm suspicious of though. His strategy this round is a direct contradiction to what he said in the first Day Round that we should not no-kill.[/quote]

It's not exactly a direct contradiction to my strategy in the first round.  I said that it was a bad idea not to lynch in the first round, but the reasoning behind that was that we had nothing to go on, and since we probably wouldn't get anything to go on from that night round.  Here, we have a different situation.  We don't know whether someone is telling the truth or not.  There's a simple way to find out the truth without risking it.

Yeah, we can lynch someone else, but there's not really any one person individually who sticks out to the town as suspicious.

[quote]I'm sure he's well aware of the fact that the Orange Agent has a 25% chance of killing themselves, so I do find it suspicious that he'd suggest not lynching and going for an Orange Agent nightkill in its place. [/quote]

I am aware that the Orange Agent has a 25% chance of killing himself.  Yes, it's possible, but it's not exactly [i]probable[/i].  There's also a 75% chance that the orange agent [i]won't[/i] die.

Additionally, it seems that the town is in agreement that Black Yoshi is either a member of the mafia or the Orange Agent.  No other options.  That being said, would it really be a waste of a use of the Orange Agent to kill a member of the mafia, assuming that Black Yoshi is really a member of the mafia?  We still get a member of the mafia, and we do it in a safe way.

[quote]Timestamp puts that as more than half an hour after Black Yoshi claimed Orange Agent.[/quote]

I needed some time to think.  I was weighing possibilities, and I know DMM likes to watch the mafia games.  I wasn't so sure what I wanted to do at that point in the night, so I decided to think, and then go to bed.

[quote]He told me that he wanted to take his vote off of Black Yoshi, but he didn't because he "was too lazy/got distracted." I don't buy it.[/quote]

I always have multiple tabs open when I'm browsing the internet.  Yes, I was lazy, because I felt like checking something else at the moment instead of typing.  Yes, I got distracted because one of the other tabs I had open was for the course I'm teaching starting on Tuesday.  I was checking it for updates, seeing if I'd been added to the list of instructors for the course, seeing if I'd been added to the website that allows me to put grades in, etc.

[quote]I think it's more likely that he was mafia, taking advantage of the votes that were already in place, wanting to reach the 10 vote minimum required to lynch. Because, the mafia knows that the only way they can kill the Orange Agent without losing one of their own is to lynch them.[/quote]

If I were really trying to do that, wouldn't I be like, "No, I still think he's mafia."

I guess you could think of me as a mafia member because of that, but not really.  The same kind of logic could be applied to pretty much anyone else who has voted for Black Yoshi up until now, more or less.

If Black Yoshi is the Orange Agent, he should not kill tonight. We know the Orange Agent is alive in the game, and honestly I don't see the benefit of an Orange Agent kill over a town lynching. The Orange Agent has a possibility of killing themselves at night. Therefore, it would be more a risk for the Orange Agent to kill than to just lynch someone now.

So you're saying that if Black Yoshi is indeed the Orange Agent, it would be better for him not to kill tonight? And then the Mafia kill him, right? That's what would happen. Then he would have served no purpose.

Yeano, I'm suspicious of though. His strategy this round is a direct contradiction to what he said in the first Day Round that we should not no-kill.

It's not exactly a direct contradiction to my strategy in the first round. I said that it was a bad idea not to lynch in the first round, but the reasoning behind that was that we had nothing to go on, and since we probably wouldn't get anything to go on from that night round. Here, we have a different situation. We don't know whether someone is telling the truth or not. There's a simple way to find out the truth without risking it.

Yeah, we can lynch someone else, but there's not really any one person individually who sticks out to the town as suspicious.

I'm sure he's well aware of the fact that the Orange Agent has a 25% chance of killing themselves, so I do find it suspicious that he'd suggest not lynching and going for an Orange Agent nightkill in its place.

I am aware that the Orange Agent has a 25% chance of killing himself. Yes, it's possible, but it's not exactly probable. There's also a 75% chance that the orange agent won't die.

Additionally, it seems that the town is in agreement that Black Yoshi is either a member of the mafia or the Orange Agent. No other options. That being said, would it really be a waste of a use of the Orange Agent to kill a member of the mafia, assuming that Black Yoshi is really a member of the mafia? We still get a member of the mafia, and we do it in a safe way.

Timestamp puts that as more than half an hour after Black Yoshi claimed Orange Agent.

I needed some time to think. I was weighing possibilities, and I know DMM likes to watch the mafia games. I wasn't so sure what I wanted to do at that point in the night, so I decided to think, and then go to bed.

He told me that he wanted to take his vote off of Black Yoshi, but he didn't because he "was too lazy/got distracted." I don't buy it.

I always have multiple tabs open when I'm browsing the internet. Yes, I was lazy, because I felt like checking something else at the moment instead of typing. Yes, I got distracted because one of the other tabs I had open was for the course I'm teaching starting on Tuesday. I was checking it for updates, seeing if I'd been added to the list of instructors for the course, seeing if I'd been added to the website that allows me to put grades in, etc.

I think it's more likely that he was mafia, taking advantage of the votes that were already in place, wanting to reach the 10 vote minimum required to lynch. Because, the mafia knows that the only way they can kill the Orange Agent without losing one of their own is to lynch them.

If I were really trying to do that, wouldn't I be like, "No, I still think he's mafia."

I guess you could think of me as a mafia member because of that, but not really. The same kind of logic could be applied to pretty much anyone else who has voted for Black Yoshi up until now, more or less.

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[quote]Another reason I suspect Yeano is because of what he told me back in Night 1. He told me that if he were to die, that white lancer would most likely be guilty. I thought this was odd, so I asked him why, and the only reason he gave me was because white lancer would be the only person on gtx0 to know how manipulative he could be, since white lancer was there for a mafia game we played on another site. [/quote]

Well, unfortunately, my chat logs only go up to December 26, 2011, so I have none of what we talked about, but allow me to refresh your memory.

I said that if I die tonight (referring to night 1), white lancer is mafia because he seems to view me as a threat.  Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough, but when I referred to that epicmafia game, I was saying that his reason for killing me would be the same as his reason for killing me in [i]that[/i] game, which is that I've had a chance to observe him, but he hadn't had a chance to observe me.  So, I would (theoretically) be able to sniff him out more easily than anyone else.  That was his reason for killing me in epicmafia.

[quote]But I don't buy that either. The game that white lancer and Yeano were a part of, Yeano was at the worst he's been in a long time. Not only did he not win, but he mislynched and got someone who claimed to be--get this--a paranoid gun owner lynched. If this was the only game white lancer saw, I find it hard to belive he'd think Yeano was really such a threat that he should be killed over anyone else on his first game. It doesn't fit.[/quote]

I think it's funny that you try to bring my poor playing in that game as an argument against me.  Epicmafia is a completely different beast than GTX0 mafia.  In GTX0 mafia, there is much more time, and much lengthier responses which can lead to more information being disseminated in the day rounds.

On epicmafia, however, it is a chat room style with a time limit of a few minutes, which usually results in, "lol lynch igga!" as the main basis of conversation.

If anyone's being deceptive here, it's you trying to bring that example as an argument against me.

[quote]I think Yeano told me this because he knew white lancer would be the mafia's target. He wanted to get on my good side, so what better way than to say he's suspicious of a person, then act surprised when they end up dead and town-sided the next day?. I think white lancer was only their target because Yeano knows that white lancer is a powerful player, and it would get me to trust him more. [/quote]

First off, everyone knows white lancer is good.

Second, why would I try to associate myself with white lancer and death if I knew white lancer would die?  The first person you would think of would be me.  That just don't make a lick o' sense.

Another reason I suspect Yeano is because of what he told me back in Night 1. He told me that if he were to die, that white lancer would most likely be guilty. I thought this was odd, so I asked him why, and the only reason he gave me was because white lancer would be the only person on gtx0 to know how manipulative he could be, since white lancer was there for a mafia game we played on another site.

Well, unfortunately, my chat logs only go up to December 26, 2011, so I have none of what we talked about, but allow me to refresh your memory.

I said that if I die tonight (referring to night 1), white lancer is mafia because he seems to view me as a threat. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough, but when I referred to that epicmafia game, I was saying that his reason for killing me would be the same as his reason for killing me in that game, which is that I've had a chance to observe him, but he hadn't had a chance to observe me. So, I would (theoretically) be able to sniff him out more easily than anyone else. That was his reason for killing me in epicmafia.

But I don't buy that either. The game that white lancer and Yeano were a part of, Yeano was at the worst he's been in a long time. Not only did he not win, but he mislynched and got someone who claimed to be--get this--a paranoid gun owner lynched. If this was the only game white lancer saw, I find it hard to belive he'd think Yeano was really such a threat that he should be killed over anyone else on his first game. It doesn't fit.

I think it's funny that you try to bring my poor playing in that game as an argument against me. Epicmafia is a completely different beast than GTX0 mafia. In GTX0 mafia, there is much more time, and much lengthier responses which can lead to more information being disseminated in the day rounds.

On epicmafia, however, it is a chat room style with a time limit of a few minutes, which usually results in, "lol lynch igga!" as the main basis of conversation.

If anyone's being deceptive here, it's you trying to bring that example as an argument against me.

I think Yeano told me this because he knew white lancer would be the mafia's target. He wanted to get on my good side, so what better way than to say he's suspicious of a person, then act surprised when they end up dead and town-sided the next day?. I think white lancer was only their target because Yeano knows that white lancer is a powerful player, and it would get me to trust him more.

First off, everyone knows white lancer is good.

Second, why would I try to associate myself with white lancer and death if I knew white lancer would die? The first person you would think of would be me. That just don't make a lick o' sense.

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[quote]So you're saying that if Black Yoshi is indeed the Orange Agent, it would be better for him not to kill tonight? And then the Mafia kill him, right? That's what would happen. Then he would have served no purpose. [/quote]
Yes. Give me a reason why it would be a benefit for him to kill someone? The mafia won't target him, because he acts as a parnoid gun owner, or did you pretend to forget that already?

[quote]It's not exactly a direct contradiction to my strategy in the first round. I said that it was a bad idea not to lynch in the first round, but the reasoning behind that was that we had nothing to go on, and since we probably wouldn't get anything to go on from that night round. Here, we have a different situation. We don't know whether someone is telling the truth or not. There's a simple way to find out the truth without risking it.

Yeah, we can lynch someone else, but there's not really any one person individually who sticks out to the town as suspicious. [/quote]

I'd say it's a contradiction. I was focused on the second part, not what you said about Day 1. "If we don't kill anyone, the mafia will slowly pick us off while we do nothing to defend ourselves." This implies you were thinking of the long-term, not just Day 1.

Regardless, give me a reason why the Orange Agent should kill and why we shouldn't lynch instead? You never really gave a reason, just asked me why I thought they shouldn't. I told you why I thought they shouldn't, so how about your reasons?

[quote]I am aware that the Orange Agent has a 25% chance of killing himself. Yes, it's possible, but it's not exactly probable. There's also a 75% chance that the orange agent won't die. [/quote]

"Yes, it's possible." That's just the point. You are saying that we should NOT lynch, and the that Orange Agent SHOULD kill. What difference would it be if we lynched and the Orange Agent didn't kill?

[quote]I needed some time to think. I was weighing possibilities, and I know DMM likes to watch the mafia games. I wasn't so sure what I wanted to do at that point in the night, so I decided to think, and then go to bed.[/quote]

You took an entire IRL night to weigh possibilities, but you were too lazy to take your vote off of Black Yoshi??

[quote] Yes, I got distracted because one of the other tabs I had open was for the course I'm teaching starting on Tuesday. I was checking it for updates, seeing if I'd been added to the list of instructors for the course, seeing if I'd been added to the website that allows me to put grades in, etc. [/quote]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're still not added to the list yet, right? So for over 20 minutes you were just on that one site, where you weren't able to do anything? I know you're teaching soon, but I don't see how that's exactly relevant when other things you were talking to me about around that time were unrelated pics/videos. It just seems to me like you were stalling, to give someone else a chance to jump in and vote for Black Yoshi, considering he was only one or two votes away from being lynched.

[quote]I think it's funny that you try to bring my poor playing in that game as an argument against me. Epicmafia is a completely different beast than GTX0 mafia. In GTX0 mafia, there is much more time, and much lengthier responses which can lead to more information being disseminated in the day rounds.

On epicmafia, however, it is a chat room style with a time limit of a few minutes, which usually results in, "lol lynch igga!" as the main basis of conversation.

If anyone's being deceptive here, it's you trying to bring that example as an argument against me. [/quote]

Again, I don't have the exact chat log, but the reason I brought that up was because you considered the events of that game to warrant a reason for white lancer (assuming he was mafia) to kill you. I didn't see how he would view you as a threat because of the events of that game. Otherwise, you're saying white lancer would find you a threat for similar reasons that he killed you in that mafia game, but to quote him: [b]whitelancer: of everyone here you were most likely to figure me out[/b]. I can see why he would think that, given the situation in the game, because you've hosted all of these mafia games on gtx0. However, I'd think [i]everyone[/i] on gtx0 would think that, and would want you dead for it. I don't get why you singled out white lancer, and I thought it was odd that he just happened to die the next night.

[quote]Second, why would I try to associate myself with white lancer and death if I knew white lancer would die? The first person you would think of would be me. That just don't make a lick o' sense.[/quote]

You could easily say that white lancer was killed because he was a good player, and I agree. Even if we take away this point in my argument, though, there are other issues I have with you this game.

So you're saying that if Black Yoshi is indeed the Orange Agent, it would be better for him not to kill tonight? And then the Mafia kill him, right? That's what would happen. Then he would have served no purpose.

Yes. Give me a reason why it would be a benefit for him to kill someone? The mafia won't target him, because he acts as a parnoid gun owner, or did you pretend to forget that already?

It's not exactly a direct contradiction to my strategy in the first round. I said that it was a bad idea not to lynch in the first round, but the reasoning behind that was that we had nothing to go on, and since we probably wouldn't get anything to go on from that night round. Here, we have a different situation. We don't know whether someone is telling the truth or not. There's a simple way to find out the truth without risking it.

Yeah, we can lynch someone else, but there's not really any one person individually who sticks out to the town as suspicious.

I'd say it's a contradiction. I was focused on the second part, not what you said about Day 1. "If we don't kill anyone, the mafia will slowly pick us off while we do nothing to defend ourselves." This implies you were thinking of the long-term, not just Day 1.

Regardless, give me a reason why the Orange Agent should kill and why we shouldn't lynch instead? You never really gave a reason, just asked me why I thought they shouldn't. I told you why I thought they shouldn't, so how about your reasons?

I am aware that the Orange Agent has a 25% chance of killing himself. Yes, it's possible, but it's not exactly probable. There's also a 75% chance that the orange agent won't die.

"Yes, it's possible." That's just the point. You are saying that we should NOT lynch, and the that Orange Agent SHOULD kill. What difference would it be if we lynched and the Orange Agent didn't kill?

I needed some time to think. I was weighing possibilities, and I know DMM likes to watch the mafia games. I wasn't so sure what I wanted to do at that point in the night, so I decided to think, and then go to bed.

You took an entire IRL night to weigh possibilities, but you were too lazy to take your vote off of Black Yoshi??

Yes, I got distracted because one of the other tabs I had open was for the course I'm teaching starting on Tuesday. I was checking it for updates, seeing if I'd been added to the list of instructors for the course, seeing if I'd been added to the website that allows me to put grades in, etc.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're still not added to the list yet, right? So for over 20 minutes you were just on that one site, where you weren't able to do anything? I know you're teaching soon, but I don't see how that's exactly relevant when other things you were talking to me about around that time were unrelated pics/videos. It just seems to me like you were stalling, to give someone else a chance to jump in and vote for Black Yoshi, considering he was only one or two votes away from being lynched.

I think it's funny that you try to bring my poor playing in that game as an argument against me. Epicmafia is a completely different beast than GTX0 mafia. In GTX0 mafia, there is much more time, and much lengthier responses which can lead to more information being disseminated in the day rounds.

On epicmafia, however, it is a chat room style with a time limit of a few minutes, which usually results in, "lol lynch igga!" as the main basis of conversation.

If anyone's being deceptive here, it's you trying to bring that example as an argument against me.

Again, I don't have the exact chat log, but the reason I brought that up was because you considered the events of that game to warrant a reason for white lancer (assuming he was mafia) to kill you. I didn't see how he would view you as a threat because of the events of that game. Otherwise, you're saying white lancer would find you a threat for similar reasons that he killed you in that mafia game, but to quote him: whitelancer: of everyone here you were most likely to figure me out. I can see why he would think that, given the situation in the game, because you've hosted all of these mafia games on gtx0. However, I'd think everyone on gtx0 would think that, and would want you dead for it. I don't get why you singled out white lancer, and I thought it was odd that he just happened to die the next night.

Second, why would I try to associate myself with white lancer and death if I knew white lancer would die? The first person you would think of would be me. That just don't make a lick o' sense.

You could easily say that white lancer was killed because he was a good player, and I agree. Even if we take away this point in my argument, though, there are other issues I have with you this game.

August 18, 2012

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MajorasMask9

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Night 2

After a long and arduous debate, Black Yoshi came out as the Orange Agent. Despite his claim, the town chose to lynch him, with Trever Leingod (1345300726) casting the final vote. Black Yoshi was the Thug.

Roster
1. Yeano
2. White Thunder
3. chiefsonny
4. Feral
5. ~~white lancer~~ - ???
6. Frustro
7. Kyon
8. CtR Black
9. Xhin
10. Count Dooku
11. MajorasMask9
12. ~~`Roxas`~~ - Evil Twin
13. ~~Black Yoshi~~ - Thug
14. Trever Leingod
15. ~~Zanic~~ - Good Twin
16. Female Alpha Wolf
17. Redack
18. Jo Nathan
19. Shadowwalked

Known Mafia-Town ratio: 3-13
Lazy Janitor, Thug, Mafioso, Evil Twin, Good Twin, Distracted Doctor, Drug Dealer, Double-Voter, Orange Agent, Gambler, Townie

24 hours or until all night actions have been taken.

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The Orange Agent does not have inherent self-defense abilities. Only if the Orange Agent targets himself would the mafia member attacking him also die.

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