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mafia game x night 3 livin on a prayer

Posted August 19, 2012 by hezekiah

Day 3

WAR! The town is crumbling
under attacks by the ruthless
mafia agents, or maybe not.
There are heroes on both sides,
or at least there might be.

Anyway, the sun encountered a fatal exception and had to reboot before it could rise. Once it did, it rose on a town without chiefsonny, who is nowhere to be found.

Roster
1. Yeano
2. White Thunder
3. chiefsonny - ???
4. Feral
5. white lancer - ???
6. Frustro
7. Kyon
8. CtR Black
9. Xhin
10. Count Dooku
11. MajorasMask9
12. `Roxas` - Evil Twin
13. Black Yoshi - Thug
14. Trever Leingod
15. Zanic - Good Twin
16. Female Alpha Wolf
17. Redack
18. Jo Nathan
19. Shadowwalked

Known Mafia-Town ratio: 3-13
Lazy Janitor, Thug, Mafioso, Evil Twin, Good Twin, Distracted Doctor, Drug Dealer, Double-Voter, Orange Agent, Gambler, Townie

72 hours or 9 votes for the same option.

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Yay I'm alive. Poor chiefsonny though :(

August 19, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

So yesterday I said I was pretty sure who the orange agent is, a few things happened after I said that to reinforce my belief that it was Chiefsonny.

So I'd advise we lynch anyone claiming that role.

August 19, 2012
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Redack

Yesterday the suspicion switched to Yeano at the end. I think that was fair. I will put my vote on him while awaiting everybody else.

August 19, 2012
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White Thunder

Seeing as I was the person to bring suspicion to Yeano, I just want to say that I take back everything I said about him.

August 19, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Yesterday the suspicion switched to Yeano at the end. I think that was fair. I will put my vote on him while awaiting everybody else.


I've found Yeano quite suspicious thus far, however I'm not ready to jump on lynching him just yet.

Seeing as I was the person to bring suspicion to Yeano, I just want to say that I take back everything I said about him.


Why?

August 19, 2012
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Redack

To elaborate, we talked things through while gtx0 was down, and I feel that he is far from suspicious at this point. I know it may sound like something that's really open to interpretation, but after talking to each other I'm fairly confident Yeano is innocent. You'll just have to take my word for it, though!

August 19, 2012
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MajorasMask9

You'll just have to take my word for it, though!

No, we won't. We should hear from him about it.

August 19, 2012
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White Thunder

Actually, Yeano was my top suspicion coming into today. He was the guy fighting to give Yoshi another day to the bitter end. He was the only one who "believed" Yoshi's AO claim.

However, not gonna vote yet.

(OoG note- Once Xhin finishes the new thread options and I can set a reply limit per thread, I will be able to vote the right way. :D)

August 19, 2012
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Feral

No, we won't. We should hear from him about it.


Well post your own accusations for him to respond to, then. I don't have the chat logs from yesterday, but he responded to everything I brought up in the last day round with reasonable proof.

August 19, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Actually, Yeano was my top suspicion coming into today. He was the guy fighting to give Yoshi another day to the bitter end. He was the only one who "believed" Yoshi's AO claim.


Yeano actually kept his vote on Black Yoshi during the Orange Agent claim shenanigans. I was the only one really saying I believed Black Yoshi, and pretty much kept hassling Yeano to take his vote off of Black Yoshi until things were sorted out.

If Black Yoshi did turn out to be the Orange Agent, I didn't want him lynched, and he was almost at the 10 vote limit with people piling on votes pretty quickly.

August 19, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Majora, that is the dumbest play ever made. No way in Hell I am just "taking your word" on anything. Copy and paste the relevant part of your convo if you can.

August 19, 2012
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Feral

Guess I got you two twisted. Gotta admit, your honestly gives you points in my eyes.

I retract my suspicions, then.

August 19, 2012
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Feral

Majora, that is the dumbest play ever made. No way in Hell I am just "taking your word" on anything. Copy and paste the relevant part of your convo if you can.


I don't save chat logs, and gtx0 was down. It wasn't even that big of a deal; we just went over the accusations that I personally found suspicious.

But like I said, bring up some accusations against Yeano and I'm sure he'll answer them.

August 19, 2012
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MajorasMask9

[qyote]Actually, Yeano was my top suspicion coming into today. He was the guy fighting to give Yoshi another day to the bitter end. He was the only one who "believed" Yoshi's AO claim.


I'll start by addressing this.

Actually, I wasn't the only one who believed his claim. If you recall, after Black Yoshi claimed AO, both MajorasMask9 and White Thunder changed their votes away from him. I actually kept my vote on him for a little while longer (which is actually what caused Majora to be suspicious of me in the first place - he thought I was a Mafia member waiting for an innocent to be killed).

Moreover, I wasn't fighting to give Yoshi "another day."

My "plan" or "idea" or whatever you want to call it was a safe way to progress should Black Yoshi indeed be the Orange Agent. If he weren't the Orange Agent, my plan would have had the Orange Agent kill Black Yoshi in the night round.

So you're saying I'm mafia, knew that Black Yoshi was lying, and suggested that he be killed anyway? What difference would it make if he were alive for one extra night round? Turns out he was the Thug. If the Orange Agent targeted him, he would have died and wouldn't have been able to use his thug abilities to save anyone else. If I were mafia, like you claim, suggesting to keep him alive would have only made me more suspicious.

August 19, 2012
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Yeano

If you recall, after Black Yoshi claimed AO, both MajorasMask9 and White Thunder changed their votes away from him.

I did not. MM9 did. I still don't think you guys shouldn't have switched when we were all pretty sure of his guilt. But I suppose your explanation makes sense. I'll hold my vote for now.

August 19, 2012
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White Thunder

Sorry, that was Female Alpha Wolf.

I knew I should have double-checked before posting that, but I felt like just hitting the reply button {:P}

August 19, 2012
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Yeano

3-13 ratio.

i guess theres a smaller chance of mafia being inactive than townies. though the mafia members we've gotten have been fairly active. what should we start looking for?

August 19, 2012
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CtR Black

Well, we've been incredibly lucky so far. I don't think we've ever had a game where we kill two mafia members in two days. I'm glad hezekiah removed the cop; it makes the game much more interesting if we're evaluating each other instead of relying on the power roles.

I'm going to need time to research things again, but I'm leaning towards lynching Jo Nathan (I'll have to look up why I felt that way yesterday) and Trever Leingod.

My advice on the chiefsonny thing is to not look too much into it. With the mafia numbers depleted, they're probably looking to stir up misinformation to keep themselves from being killed by watchful players. My guess is that chiefsonny was completely wrong about something and they're trying to make us think he was completely right so we lynch someone innocent.

August 19, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Right now, my intuition is screaming at me that something about CtR black is suspicious, but as usual I can't put my finger on it.

August 19, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

My guess is that chiefsonny was completely wrong about something and they're trying to make us think he was completely right so we lynch someone innocent.

A common Mafia strategy, if we have smart Mafia members it might be the exact opposite. Reverse psychology and all. Or, really, probably not. {:P}

August 19, 2012
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White Thunder

I don't think the mafia would think we've caught onto that strategy so much that it's useless to try it. In previous games it worked well, and continued to work well.

August 19, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

I think they just worked out his role and killed him because of that. Orange Agent was the most powerful town role and if I'm right Chief was that role, makes sense to remove it from play... I'm not sure there was any super secret strategy to this.

August 19, 2012
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Redack

Am I the only one who feels that Yeano and Majora may be in cahoots with each other?

Also, anyone think that the poem hides/reveals something?

August 19, 2012
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Female Alpha Wolf

Poem?

If you meant the thing Hezekiah did in the main post it's just a spoof of the star wars intro text (specifically episode 3's text if my nerd genes are still alive)

August 19, 2012
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Redack

I was wondering why it sounded familiar. Lol

August 19, 2012
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Female Alpha Wolf

I didn't intend any deeper meaning than the Star Wars reference, tying in with the song I chose as the subtitle for the current round.

August 19, 2012
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hezekiah

I dont think mafia members would openly support each other as hard as they do (mm9 and yeano)

August 19, 2012
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CtR Black

I've been thinking Yeano is suspicious, but I'm going to go back and re-read everything from Day 1. After finding out Black Yoshi was a Mafia after all, I have quite a bit of re-evaluating to do.

August 20, 2012
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Jo Nathan

The only thing that makes me wary of Yeano is that he tried to propose the possibility that Xhin and MajorasMask were in cahoots, when to me it's obvious they're innocent. But there's much more evidence supporting that he isn't Mafia, like being a leading role in exposing Black Yoshi.

Jo Nathan, however, defended Black Yoshi:
The first part of the sentence is saying the nitpicker is a Mafia, so I feel it's implied the person being nitpicked is innocent. In that regard, I feel Black Yoshi's sentence holds up.

I'd typically be too paranoid to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, but I really feel the Mafia may just be making an easy target out of Black Yoshi and counting on nobody speaking up. The Mafia can't afford to lose two people in the first two days so I would expect them to try awfully hard to get rid of an innocent quickly.


That just doesn't hold up with me, especially with how obvious it was that he was Mafia. Not to mention he joined Black Yoshi in his vote against Xhin -- though to be fair, Xhin was acting odd, at least until he revealed it was only a ploy. But after more and more people started jumping at Black Yoshi, Jo's activity in the thread seemed to drop.

Obviously not prepared to vote for anyone yet, but I'm voicing my concerns.

August 20, 2012
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Frustro

I don't think we're going to get much further in this Day round without an actual accusation, so I'll throw one out there:

Voting for Shadowwalked. He hasn't spoken much, and I know he's been online, most likely reading the threads even. I know there are other players that have been inactive, but I think Shadowwalked would be most likely to actually be paying attention. I've been mafia with him once before, and I remember him basically saying he'd stay quieter in the game threads during that time.

I figure, even if he isn't mafia, bringing attention to him could get him to talk anyway :). We kind of need new leads, because with less people talking it's harder to determine who is and isn't mafia.

August 20, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Jo Nathan, however, defended Black Yoshi ... especially with how obvious it was that he was Mafia


Yeah, this was a big gamble on my part and I feel incredibly stupid now - it was really that obvious to everyone else? :( I was really counting on him turning out to be innocent, and as soon as I saw "Thug" next to his name I was like "ah shit." If I were in the Mafia and knew for sure who was guilty, I would not have stuck my neck out like that and risk outing myself.

though to be fair, Xhin was acting odd, at least until he revealed it was only a ploy.


Well, when he revealed it to be a ploy, I thought that was just a ploy to get us off his back. Of course, I ended up being wrong about that too.

Jo's activity in the thread seemed to drop.


That was an availability problem on my part. I had to travel and visit family this weekend and I was busy packing and getting the pets situated Friday night.

I'm thoroughly convinced that Majora and Xhin are innocent at this point, but I still have suspicions of Yeano. I have suspicions of a couple other specific people too but I want to wait and see how they behave on this day before I say anything else.

August 20, 2012
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Jo Nathan

If you meant the thing Hezekiah did in the main post it's just a spoof of the star wars intro text (specifically episode 3's text if my nerd genes are still alive)

The "War!" part was a dead give away, so yes, your nerd genes are still alive {:P}

Back on Day 1 I mentioned that we should do a role reveal if we didn't get a lot of kills. Well, we're actually doing pretty good, going 2-for-2 against the Mafia (not counting Zanic since he died as a result of Roxas being lynched). So far we have suspicions being tossed around but I think we need more evidence than what we currently got. I say we do the mass role reveal today. With no cop role it's our best shot, and I really think that if everyone cooperates we should definitely have the deck stacked in our favor. We really have nothing to lose at this point.

In fact, the Mafia can only hide behind one unknown role (white lancer's) because of Redack's belief that chief was the OA. I highly doubt Redack is Mafia, because if he is, he just blew them a chance to hide under the guise of that role. We should really do this before they hide any more bodies.

To our knowledge, these roles are the remaining ones:

Lazy Janitor, Mafioso x2, Distracted Doctor, Drug Dealer, Double-Voter, Gambler, Townie x7

There's 3 living Mafia players. They can only hide behind one claim, so only one of the three can escape immediate detection. Chances are, they will claim a regular townie role. We can use our achieved detective skills from there to sort out the liars.

Having proposed the plan, I'll just start the reveals and reveal myself as a townie.

August 20, 2012
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Trever Leingod

I dunno. I still think that Yeano isn't quite that innocent. This could just be a ploy to get us off both their backs if they are indeed Mafia, since they've already lost two members in te past two rounds.

I think a role reveal is a good idea since no one has any kind of investigative roles. Ima just come out and say that I'm the Doublr Voter.

August 20, 2012
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Female Alpha Wolf

Townie here. It's been relatively quiet this morning. Only five posts so far.

August 20, 2012
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Jo Nathan

Shadow always stays quiet at the beginning of games, even when he's not Mafia. Chief would advocate killing off inactive players as always, so we might want to take that route anyway; by my memory him, Kyon, and Dooku haven't spoken much, if at all.

I'll reveal if we get a consensus that it's a good idea.

August 20, 2012
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White Thunder

If I recall correctly, Kyon is the only one who hasn't posted at all.

August 20, 2012
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Jo Nathan

Shadowwalked started school today. Give him a break!

August 20, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Oh, and I'm a townie. I'm pretty sure the orange agent has already been killed, and we're winning, so I don't think a role reveal would hurt anything at this point.

August 20, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

I suggest we kill the inactive players. They're not contributing anything to the game (unless they're mafia) and since they're not posting, can't potentially incriminate themselves.

August 20, 2012
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

If we're role revealing, I'm a townie.

I'm more than convinced that FAW is innocent. The double voter can be easily tested, so having someone who's mafia claim that now would be kind of silly. It also fits in with the votes from the previous rounds (ie, she voted when the round ended 1 vote early, and didn't when it ended at the expected vote limit). I have some other people on my innocent list as well, but I'll save that for some other time.

The thing about killing Kyon is that he hasn't posted at all this game, and I really don't want to waste a day round lynch on someone who's probably going to turn up as "Townie." Kyon is active on this site, and honestly if he was mafia I'd think he'd be more active than this. Roxas was mafia, and I'm pretty sure he'd at least have some way to contact Kyon to get him to be part of the mafia game.

Shadowwalked, I can't say I'm suspicious of him, but I don't really have anything to go on except one post from him.

August 20, 2012
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MajorasMask9

This is to say, I'd have no problem if it was a rule in future games that inactive players (after like, two or three day rounds or something) should be hostkilled. We really wouldn't lose anything if the inactive players were killed off, but the idea of it getting in the way of a lynching--the only way we can make kills if the OA is dead--is just dum

August 20, 2012
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MajorasMask9

FAW just shot up to the most suspicious person on my list:

  • She defended `roxas`, the evil twin
  • Black Yoshi and `Roxas` called her FAW and no one else did before someone realized the "FAW" thing.
  • She's now claiming a non-townie role.

    My guess is the mafia killed the double-voter so she can reliably claim it.

    If she's guilty then Trever Leingod probably is too, because their replies are a little too close together (20 minutes). I've had other suspicions of Trever Leingod for some time, so it makes sense.

    I definitely think the mafia are the ones engineering this "mass role reveal", because it's better to kill the power roles we have left. The Janitor only has 3 uses left, but if there's a mass role reveal it won't matter because everyone will know who the roles are.

    Really, Trever Leingod is more a priority than FAW. This is the second time he's proposed a mass role reveal, and we're listening to him for some reason.

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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    Yeah, we can test FAW. Let's make sure we only have 8 votes for the same option (including FAW) and get in touch with hezekiah to see what happens.

    August 20, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    My guess is the mafia killed the double-voter so she can reliably claim it.


    Nope.

    The Double Voter voted in the last Day round, but chiefsonny was killed by the mafia. Chiefsonny also voted in the first Day round.

    Day 1 ended at the expected vote limit.
    Day 2 ended one vote early.

    This would mean the double voter can only be:

    White Thunder
    Feral
    Xhin
    Trever Leingod
    Female Alpha Wolf

    Which fits.

    August 20, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    Why can't chiefsonny be the double-voter? He voted for Black Yoshi last round, and he died last night.

    August 20, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    He also voted for Roxas on Day 1, but the Double Voter didn't vote on Day 1.

    August 20, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    Oh, and I'm a townie. I'm pretty sure the orange agent has already been killed, and we're winning, so I don't think a role reveal would hurt anything at this point.

    If she's guilty then Trever Leingod probably is too, because their replies are a little too close together (20 minutes). I've had other suspicions of Trever Leingod for some time, so it makes sense.

    So at first you go for the role reveal, saying it wouldn't hurt anything - then you retract even after claiming a role, point out FAW made a post 20 moments within my post (not even relevant to the case, completely worthless bit of info - you and MM9 also posted within 20 minutes of each other), state you have suspicions of me, but for no given reason. "It makes sense"... on what grounds?

    Really, Trever Leingod is more a priority than FAW. This is the second time he's proposed a mass role reveal, and we're listening to him for some reason.

    Because it could work. And why say this after agreeing to it anyway?

    I definitely think the mafia are the ones engineering this "mass role reveal", because it's better to kill the power roles we have left. The Janitor only has 3 uses left, but if there's a mass role reveal it won't matter because everyone will know who the roles are.

    A self-defeating point. My proposal basically makes the Janitor power useless from here on out, yet I'm Mafia? If I were Mafia I would have given the idea a few more days so the living Mafia players had more roles to hide behind. At this point they can only hide behind one. And what power roles does the town have left exactly? We believe the Orange Agent is dead, the doctor has failed to save anyone, the gambler hasn't produced anything, and the drug dealer role isn't that useful. We are better off with our cards laid out at this point in time.

    Furthermore, my idea is far more damning to the Mafia than to the town. The best the Mafia can do is have one person hide behind Lancer's role, and the other two hide behind a townie claim (at which point we could have up to 9 townie claims). At which point, we can single out the most suspicious "townie" claimers and then sort out the one hiding under white lancer's role. %

    August 20, 2012
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    Trever Leingod

    And my vote didn't go through so... once again.

    August 20, 2012
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    Trever Leingod

    Of course once again someone is overly defensive when I bring up my suspicions of them, and even votes for me. This seems a lot like the situation we had with Black Yoshi last round.

    August 20, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    Well, the mass reveal is irrelevant to me since I revealed at the beginning on the whole game. I am a plain old townie, and glad of it.

    If, by some chance, the agent IS alive, I suggest you kill me tonight. As a townie, I won't leave my house. If I die in a fire, the agent is alive. If I die any other way(which would kill a Mafia as well, as they would be in my house) or don't die, they are not alive. This way, my death will either confirm that our agent is still alive and laying low, or allow us to prevent any Mafia from potentially hiding behind said role if the agent is dead.

    August 20, 2012
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    Feral

    Also, your idea still does make sense from a town point of view, but it's beneficial for the mafia too, especially because it makes you look innocent if you propose the idea and are the first to claim townie. There would be too many townie claims and we'd lynch everyone but you because you suggested the idea.

    Seriously, though, voting for me because I attacked you is a very bad strategy because it just makes you suspicious. If MM9 is mafia, he seems innocent because he didn't immediately vote for me when I went after him.

    August 20, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    Worded that wrong. If the Agent is alive and the Mafia stupidly targets me, one of them will die. If I die in a way not fire related, obviously, the agent is dead, and the Mafia targeted me for some obscure reason.

    Still works out the same.

    August 20, 2012
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    Feral

    The mafia could theoretically set your house on fire too though. I'm not sure how hezekiah is going to describe deaths, but I did make him seem like he was a sniper last game so he's probably thinking he'll do the same.

    August 20, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    True, but even if the Mafia DID kill me via fire, then only one person would die that night, and you would all still know something is up.

    August 20, 2012
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    Feral

    If I die in a fire, the agent is alive.

    I do believe the mafia are allowed to request the method in which they kill someone. Certainly it has been done before (such as last game when Hez claimed sniper and the host had the kill be done to suggest a sniper kill)... Suppose it depends on the host but since it was done for Hez I'd imagine he'd do it for others.

    That said, Orange Agent is dead. I'm certain of it.

    Also @trever & xhin

    Behave, it's clear to me that neither of your are mafia.

    Personally I say we kill this guy if we're gonna kill inactives

    August 20, 2012
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    Redack

    I suppose that the Mafia, knowing the agant is alive, could blatantly not kill anybody, but I'm not sure they would waste a kill that way.

    August 20, 2012
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    Feral

    That's true. How would we tell the difference between the orange agent killing you and the mafia not making a kill / the mafia killing you with fire and the orange agent being dead?

    August 20, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    Oh, as far as inactives go, I am confident lazy-ass Kyon is a townie. He seems to get frustrated and not play when he gets that role. Other roles, he is active for.

    August 20, 2012
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    Feral

    Damn, didn't think of that... Well, I tried to make a big move anyway.

    August 20, 2012
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    Feral

    Redack, what makes you so sure that Trever is innocent?

    And why do you want to kill dooku so desperately?

    August 20, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    I mean yeah, if there's two kills it means the orange agent is still alive. But it would be a completely wasted death otherwise. You're not the martyr anymore dude :P

    August 20, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    Of course once again someone is overly defensive when I bring up my suspicions of them, and even votes for me. This seems a lot like the situation we had with Black Yoshi last round.

    Seriously, though, voting for me because I attacked you is a very bad strategy because it just makes you suspicious. If MM9 is mafia, he seems innocent because he didn't immediately vote for me when I went after him.

    I've laid low before when people pointed fingers at me, Xhin. That was because there wasn't necessarily anything suspicious about their approach, as they just voiced suspicions of me. You, on the other hand, openly voted for me, despite not really having any good given reasons as to why. I wouldn't be "overly defensive" if you weren't so suspicious. The fact that you were just flip-flopping all over the map with suspicions is a red flag, at least I have stayed consistent in my views.

    Also, your idea still does make sense from a town point of view, but it's beneficial for the mafia too, especially because it makes you look innocent if you propose the idea and are the first to claim townie. There would be too many townie claims and we'd lynch everyone but you because you suggested the idea.

    Most of the players here are pretty experienced, and they can more easily point the guilty people than not. If everyone reveals, there's a much bigger probability that the town will win than the Mafia.

    Behave, it's clear to me that neither of your are mafia.

    If Xhin's not Mafia, his intuitive radar is going haywire. He usually has really good instincts and decent reasoning, but this time he's just all over the grid.

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    Trever Leingod

    Of course you've stayed consistent in your views, you're a mafioso so you want to have a distinct strategy so you don't seem suspicious.

    I'm a townie, so I'm not worried about being suspicious. If the town kills me off, no big deal. So I'll move my strategies and suspicions around, depending on what works best at any given point in time.

    I don't see you complaining about other people who have shifted their viewpoints. You're only attacking me because I attacked you and you don't want the mafia to lose a third member on day 3. Especially not you.

    August 20, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    Xhin, you just changed your vote from Trever to Trever! {:P}

    August 20, 2012
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    Feral

    Also, of course I'm basing my viewpoints on tiny inconsequential things. We're all relatively experienced players, and there's no Cop, so that's all we have to go on. So far though the strategy has been effective at getting rid of two mafia members. In two days no less. So it really isn't as bad of a plan as you're making it out to be.

    Sure, we're going to make mistakes with it eventually (statistically we have to), but we have nothing else to go on.

    August 20, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    At least I can actually give good reasons for my viewpoints as well, rather than just deflecting and accusing other people just.

    I don't see you complaining about other people who have shifted their viewpoints.

    No one has shifted them quite as fast as you, with so little reasoning to boot.

    And you call me defensive. Ha!

    Xhin, you just changed your vote from Trever to Trever!

    Apparently he's hoping his votes against me are stacking up {:P}

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    Trever Leingod

    Redack, what makes you so sure that Trever is innocent?

    The same thing that makes me sure you're not. Regardless, your logic for suspecting him is flawed, completely and absolutely!

    And why do you want to kill dooku so desperately?

    What desperation? Talk about putting words in someone's mouth. He's inactive, I've always wanted to kill him and I don't have enough evidence to go against any of my current suspects yet... 1+1+1=Dooku

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    Redack

    Also, of course I'm basing my viewpoints on tiny inconsequential things. We're all relatively experienced players, and there's no Cop, so that's all we have to go on. So far though the strategy has been effective at getting rid of two mafia members. In two days no less. So it really isn't as bad of a plan as you're making it out to be.

    I'm not denying we've done pretty well eliminating the Mafia. I wholeheartedly thought Black Yoshi was suspicious on Day 2 from his very first post. Other people had various reasoning. We lucked out in the fact that both of them gave up signature Mafia signs, but we also recognized them because of past game experience. And I didn't say it was a bad plan, I just thought the role reveal would speed up the process. You agreed to my idea at first, then changed viewpoints.

    Sure, we're going to make mistakes with it eventually (statistically we have to), but we have nothing else to go on.

    ...so why is my plan bad? The statistics for the town winning go up with a mass role reveal in our current situation.

    August 20, 2012
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    Trever Leingod

    Redack, what makes you so sure that Trever is innocent?

    -The same thing that makes me sure you're not. Regardless, your logic for suspecting him is flawed, completely and absolutely!

    Don't you mean "The same thing that makes me sure you are", because otherwise you're saying Xhin is not innocent...

    And why do you want to kill dooku so desperately?

    -What desperation? Talk about putting words in someone's mouth. He's inactive, I've always wanted to kill him and I don't have enough evidence to go against any of my current suspects yet... 1+1+1=Dooku

    Yeah that doesn't seem desperate. He's inactive (not a reason I agree with at all) and these two like to pick on each other, so it fits.

    August 20, 2012
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    Trever Leingod

    What desperation? Talk about putting words in someone's mouth. He's inactive, I've always wanted to kill him and I don't have enough evidence to go against any of my current suspects yet... 1+1+1=Dooku

    I hate you, and 3 =/= Dooku. Now I'm not getting Guild Wars 2!

    In either case, I've got access to a computer again and things aren't so crazy anymore. Give me a while to read through the last day or two and I'll try to say something insightful.

    August 20, 2012
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    Count Dooku

    Looking back over my YIM log, something Xhin said makes me think he really is just a townie with a fuzzy radar. I hope I don't regret this later...

    Not voting for now.

    August 20, 2012
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    Trever Leingod

    If you're innocent, I don't think you'll regret it because I really can't see Xhin being guilty after everything that's happened.

    However...

    Xhin:
    I've had other suspicions of Trever Leingod for some time, so it makes sense.


    Can you elaborate on the other suspicions you had prior to that post?

    August 20, 2012
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    Jo Nathan

    No one has shifted them quite as fast as you, with so little reasoning to boot.

    That's the thing though. There's not enough evidence to make decisions that are based on perfect flawless reasoning. And there never will be, unless a mafia slips up. What made me suspicious of black yoshi, for example, was that he played very passively and suddenly became very accusative and confrontational when attacked. The same thing is happening with you.

    What desperation? Talk about putting words in someone's mouth.

    Erm, I didn't mean that like I was suspecting you. You're near the bottom of the list in terms of perceived guilt (not the absolute bottom, but still pretty far down).

    And I didn't say it was a bad plan, I just thought the role reveal would speed up the process. You agreed to my idea at first, then changed viewpoints.

    I'm kind of iffy on whether a role reveal is a good move, but whether it is or isn't, your insistence on it since day 1 is what has me thinking that it's a ploy by the mafia. Perhaps you know someone's going to suggest it eventually, and it helps to seem like the originator of the idea so you don't get targeted.

    August 20, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    Don't you mean "The same thing that makes me sure you are", because otherwise you're saying Xhin is not innocent...

    Yes, that thing. I swear I can't type any ore, I do that a lot these days {:(}

    August 20, 2012
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    Redack

    Just changing my vote back to nothing,

    August 20, 2012
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    Redack

    Well if we be revealing, I'll go ahead and say I'm the Drug Dealer, not the most useful role anyway. I am also open to suggestions since I haven't had any luck yet.

    August 20, 2012
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    White Thunder

    I suggest we vote for the overly defensive guy who instantly voted for me when i attacked him. Failing that, killing inactive members makes sense. No big deal if we kill townies since we're already pretty far ahead.

    August 20, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    Yes, he took it back. Hes not going to fall into the same trap yoshi did, but its interesting how convinced he was of my guilt up until the point i said it made him suspicious. and the conviction was very sudden too, unlike previous rounds where he defended me.

    August 20, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    Going from playing TF2 back to this game... not much of a difference.

    It is strange how Trever's reaction to being accused essentially mirrors Black Yoshi's - even going so far as to counter-vote against the one accusing him. But I gotta agree with Jo Nathan: what other reasons do you, Xhin, have to suspect him?

    And I suppose it would make sense to vote for the inactive members, though that makes me worried that by decreasing potential Town numbers, even inactive ones, that might give the Mafia an edge. I don't want to get overconfident and end up making that a hubris.

    August 20, 2012
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    Frustro

    All I know is, we need to kill someone every round. Not just so we have something to do, but because it keeps the mafia in defensive mode rather than offensive mode.

    August 21, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    Not just so we have something to do, but because it keeps the mafia in defensive mode rather than offensive mode.

    It does the exact opposite if we target a townie.

    August 21, 2012
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    White Thunder

    Personally I'm suspicious of Yeano and would prefer we lynch him, but I get the feeling I'm probably the only one.

    August 21, 2012
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    Redack

    My only evidence against Trever are certain things he said in round 1, like the "if we don't kill 2 mafia members by round 3 we're doing poorly" thing. Which is a little weird.

    He also seems more focused on his role reveal idea and "playing consistently" than he does on the town winning.

    Originally, I found him suspicious only on the basis that other non-`roxas` voters were either inactive or seemed innocent.

    I was originally going to target FAW, but after going through some stuff with Trever, I realized he looked a lot more guilty now because he started the role reveal idea.

    Of course, I probably could have been talked out of it, because my evidence is pretty sparse at best, but instead of talking me about of it like MM9 did, Trever got overly defensive and voted for me. Suddenly, he was convinced of my guilt, whereas before he had defended me and even told people not to kill me because I'm an asset to the team.

    He withdrew his vote, but only after I pointed out how voting for me made him suspicious. Somehow, despite his blatant conviction for my guilt (which goes against everything he believed in round 1 & 2), he changed his mind. Conveniently when I said it made him suspicious.

    August 21, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    I agree, let's give Trever one more chance to respond before we lynch his brains out.

    August 21, 2012
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    White Thunder

    Xhin, do you think changing your vote from Trever to Trever repeatedly makes you cool or something o.O

    August 21, 2012
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    Redack

    ^ lol

    Redack, I've been suspicious of Yeano as well, and I know Xhin previously was. This development with Trever though seems to have put that on the back burner.

    August 21, 2012
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    Jo Nathan

    So this is basically a toss-up between Yeano and Trever, with Xhin repeatedly slamming the "Lynch Trever" button. At the moment, it seems like Trever's acting more fishy, but I'd still like to see more incriminating evidence on either of them before we send anyone to the noose.

    .. Not that I haven't taken my eyes off you yet, Jo. (shifty)

    August 21, 2012
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    Frustro

    Since people find me suspicious, I will give this offer to you.

    Have any question you would like me to answer? Have anything you would like me to respond to? I can't guarantee I will get to them right away since I have class tomorrow and have to keep on top of my work in everything, but I will try to respond as soon as possible.

    August 21, 2012
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    Yeano

    I did have some reasons to suspect you, but after going back and reviewing the previous days to make sure I wasn't missing anything, I saw you were one of the people who pushed hard early on to lynch Black Yoshi, complete with a detailed analysis and everything. I almost forgot about that, and it pretty much offsets the things about you that I thought were suspicious.

    August 21, 2012
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    Jo Nathan

    I don't have any evidence for suspecting yeano. Since he's posted more, he seems more and more innocent. You're all suspicious to various degrees to me, but I'm going to focus on what seems the most obvious.

    Remember, if we vote for Trever, we need to only make 8 votes, with FAW being one of those votes so we can test her double-voter claim. If she isn't the double-voter, I suggest that the actual double-voter not vote for Trever.

    If Trever is mafia, I will probably die tonight, so I'd be obliged if the doctor could protect me.

    August 21, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    Ugh -_-

    Fine I'll vote for Trever, but I'm telling you now he's innocent. Just seems like the only way to end the distraction you're causing with your witch hunt on him.

    Sorry Trevor! (Trevor!)

    August 21, 2012
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    Redack

    I'm not too sure about Trever, but I'm going to vote for him. I was going to defend him in this post actually, but a couple of things that he did stood out as suspicious to me, both regarding his actions prior to the lynching of two mafia members.

    Additionally, I don't think we'd be able to get any more revealing information from anyone else and make a different vote before the round ends.

    August 21, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    Also, was going to bring this up in a different accusation, but I'll just throw it out there now since I decided not to go through with the accusation:

    I just know that, regardless of what side I'm on in the game, my main objective is looking out for myself. If that means killing off teammates, then that's what it takes.

    -Roxas, Day 1


    I could be overthinking things again like the whole "FAW" thing from Day 2, but I'm reading this as the mafia might have agreed to lynch or find evidence against one another in order to make each individual member look more innocent. As in, they wouldn't exactly go out of their way to make each other look guilty, but they wouldn't hesitate if they found evidence against one another. They'll all look out for themselves.

    Could be totally off here, but that's just how I'm taking that reply. I didn't exactly see why Roxas would mention that when he did, because it was completely irrelevant to his situation.

    IN RETROSPECT that probably hurts my credibility if true but I'm bringing it up nonetheless.. !

    August 21, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    Well here's my vote. Four more and we find out for sure if he's guilty.

    August 21, 2012
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    Jo Nathan

    I'm sorry, but if you guys are going to vote for me just because I got "defensive" that's pretty poor reasoning. Xhin did the same thing. And it's happened in the past that two innocents were suspicious of each other. Look at all the reasoning I had to vote for Xhin one more time before you jump the boat to lynch me.

    I have never voted for Xhin before because he never seemed so obviously suspicious. I mean white lancer also said I was "suspicious" in this game (I think) and the past two games, yet I was innocent then too. And I didn't vote for him, because white lancer wasn't acting suspicious in turn. Xhin was.

    Despite what Xhin says, I did not retract my vote because it seemed "suspicious", rather because of what I found on my YIM log.

    Sorry Trevor! (Trevor!)

    Sure you are, Rodack {:P}

    Anyway, if you all end up lynching me and inevitably find out I am telling the truth... go through with the mass reveal. I can die content if my death aids in a town victory.

    August 21, 2012
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    Trever Leingod

    Anyway, if you all end up lynching me and inevitably find out I am telling the truth.

    As I said, I believe you're innocent. I just think if we let Xhin's witch hunt continue then we could very well end up having it distract the town for more than one day round (which I recall happening in one of my early games, people became so sure LLight was Mafia (when he actually wasn't) and wasted a few day rounds trying to lynch him whilst townies kept getting killed off by the mafia).

    August 21, 2012
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    Redack

    Well fair enough. I'd rather die now than be continuously tormented by Xhin's broken radar and have the town lose in the process.

    August 21, 2012
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    Trever Leingod

    Though if Xhin continues to have witch hunts on innocent people after you I'll just vote to lynch him.

    Xhin's weakness is he's unwilling to compromise. Anyway in the meantime.

    Have any question you would like me to answer? Have anything you would like me to respond to? I can't guarantee I will get to them right away since I have class tomorrow and have to keep on top of my work in everything, but I will try to respond as soon as possible.


    Why did you tell MM9 that little tale about if you died he should probably lynch Lancer?

    That's not my entire suspicions but it's the only one that can really be put into a question.

    August 21, 2012
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    Redack

    Well, that's that.

    August 21, 2012
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    White Thunder

    That's 5, one more vote for him and then Female Alpha Wolf to test her claim.

    August 21, 2012
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    White Thunder

    Also, I actually do agree with the idea of a mass role reveal. It would actually be very helpful in the future rounds.

    Right now, we can assume the Orange Agent is dead (if they aren't, they should definitely kill someone in the next night round simply to make it known that they're still alive). That means we only don't know the identity of one dead person.

    If we put names to roles, we can more easily determine who is lying. If one of the two unknown dead roles was a Townie (the most likely scenario, but still might not be), all of the mafia will claim "Townie". If one of the unknown dead roles was a power role, then one mafia member will claim that, while the other two will claim "Townie".

    Either way, we'll have a list of 11 Townie claims, and either two or three of them will be mafia. From that point, we could vote for the power role claims that seem suspicious. Female Alpha Wolf is definitely the Double Voter, meaning either the Drug Dealer (White Thunder), Doctor, or Gambler would be lying.

    Basically, it should give us a better idea of who is innocent. The Drug Dealer is pretty much useless at this point, the Gambler doesn't have much to lose. The Doctor is the only town-sided power role that would have anything to lose, but even then--if they're the real doctor--they could jump on and off protecting themself or someone else, and have a chance at preventing a mafia kill.

    August 21, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    And for the record, the list of people who haven't claimed anything are:

    CtR Black, Frustro, Redack, Kyon, Count Dooku, Shadowwalked.

    Claiming by this round would be a huge help.

    August 21, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    The fact that you were just flip-flopping all over the map with suspicions

    Xhin's weakness is he's unwilling to compromise.

    WTF? So if I compromise, I'm flip-flopping, and if I'm resolute, I'm unwilling to compromise? I can't win!

    August 21, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    Also, I'm pretty sure Trever is innocent now. He seemed guilty when I was the only one attacking him, but now that a lot of people have jumped on the idea, I can see where he really stands. He's still on my guilty list, but lower down. We can always lynch him later, just like you guys need to lynch me eventually since I keep swaying votes.

    But over the course of voting for Trever, something interesting stuck out. I'll get to that in a moment. In the meantime, though:

    August 21, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    WELL THEN.

    Next vote better be one we're sticking to, since this is the round's end. I'll wait to hear what Xhin has to say about White Thunder before I vote, but I honeslty don't find him suspicious seeing as he claimed Drug Dealer.

    August 21, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    Why did you tell MM9 that little tale about if you died he should probably lynch Lancer?


    Ok, well, I didn't put it that way. I said it like this, "If I die tonight, white lancer is mafia."

    It was half-legitimate, half-joke, really. And I know this sounds wishy washy, but it's the truth. This probably didn't make as much of an impact on Majora's mind, but I also said something else about that.

    I said that if I die, essentially anyone could be mafia. Then I pointed out the example of when Trever was killed by the mafia on day 1 of his first game since the mafia wanted to "welcome him to the game." So I didn't say white lancer was guaranteed mafia if I died night 1. Just that he would be my top suspect.

    I do have access to the epicmafia game I played with white lancer where he says that "of everyone here, you were the most likely to figure me out," as sort of a way to explain why he killed me on Night 2. You can see him say this to me at the end of the game here:
    http://www.epicmafia.com/game/1285831?password=cd89a20adde7a608f3331e71c37bdfa087bacbf3
    We've also seen in the sign up threads that he's been thinking that I would be a great player because, more or less, I've had time to observe pretty much everyone and how they behave in different situations, yet no one has been able to observe me.

    That's why I put white lancer as my top pick for mafia if I would have died on night 1.

    August 21, 2012
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    Yeano

    We still have at least 24 hours. Also I didn't realize WT claimed drug dealer, but it's possible the mafia killed the drug dealer. I'll get to my rationale in a moment...

    August 21, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    .. At least that'll stop the incessant "KILL TREVER" button mashing..? So now AGAIN I ask: What evidence is there to accuse White Thunder?

    August 21, 2012
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    Frustro

    Lol, flip flopping. I'm stuck inside today so go ahead and take your time posting accusations, I'll be here to defend them whenever.

    August 21, 2012
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    White Thunder

    We'll start on Day 1. He was inactive for most of the day, and only posted to finish off `roxas` after chiefsonny called him and Kyon out. If you notice, chiefsonny is now dead.

    On Day 2, white thunder instantly thought I was guilty after the MM9 debacle. Yes, it was only one minute after I posted my "sorry about that mm9" post, so he may not have seen it, but it took him a long time to switch his vote to Black Yoshi. He was clearly active at the time since he posted right after I did. If you notice, Black Yoshi voted for me right after White Thunder did. If you notice, he and Black Yoshi voted for me right after I said we should target the `roxas` pool because I thought three mafia members were in there:


    Possible mafia members: chiefsonny, Redack, Yeano, Black Yoshi, White Thunder, CtR Black, Jo Nathan, MajorasMask9, Frustro


    He did say that I have absolved myself, but only after I made the statement that there wasn't much to go on with him and he and yeano could be playing under the radar but it was hard to tell. Here's a strange phrase he said: "Any time someone plays so far out of the ordinary I can't really completely think them innocent." Now what's strange about this is, right after he voted for me, I had said:

    My goal this game is to use all kinds of techniques that no one ever uses. It's a weakness that I can exploit because the mafia players think they know how things will play out. If someone's unpredictable enough and can sway opinions to them, then suddenly there's a lot more uncertainty, and mafia members are more likely to slip up.


    So I had clearly explained why I was playing out of the ordinary, and he must have seen it since he was active at the time. It seems clear to me that he realizes this "consistency" thing is a problem only the mafia have and he wants to sway the town away from unpredictability, because suddenly the consistent ones seem guilty.

    He also wasn't totally sold on Yoshi's guilt. Of course, if he was mafia, he would have wanted to subtly deflect votes away from his partner. If you notice, no one else attempted to defend Black Yoshi while still voting for him. Of course a mafia member would vote for Black Yoshi, to not do so would make them look suspicious later. But he's still simultaneously trying to sway our opinions away from it.

    Let's look at day 3. What stood out this day was a few things. The first was "A common Mafia strategy, if we have smart Mafia members it might be the exact opposite. Reverse psychology and all. Or, really, probably not.". If anything, he's attempting reverse psychology to get me to think he's not part of the mafia, because why would they reveal which strategies they were using?

    Here he is also putting too much emphasis on the idea of a "consensus". In the previous round, he voted for Black Yoshi because there was a consensus for it, but still defended him. In the round before that he again, voted for `roxas` because everyone else was. Today, he went "Well, that's that". Now also in day 3 he said "while awaiting everybody else" and "I'll reveal if we get a consensus that it's a good idea.". White Thunder's entire focus is on seeing what a consensus says. And yet in Day 2 he was still convinced of my guilt despite a consensus shifting towards the idea that I'm innocent. He was also aggressive with his vote against me, in fact he was the first to vote, not waiting for a consensus at all and not changing his vote until much much later. I'm looking at the inconsistency here because it was a similar inconsistency that alerted me to Black Yoshi being guilty (again, playing non-aggressively all game and then suddenly switching to an aggressive vote for me).

    Yes, I'm flip-flopping all over the place too, but I accept that as a valid strategy while White Thunder said "Any time someone plays so far out of the ordinary I can't really completely think them innocent.". So his actions are not consistent with his beliefs..

    August 21, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    .. Seems legit. But if White Thunder is Mafia, wouldn't that make Trever seem far less guilty? With their small numbers, I doubt the Mafia would want to throw anyone under the bus, especially when there wasn't even a sound agreement to vote for Trever.

    August 21, 2012
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    Frustro

    As I stated on day 1 I was in an automobile for most of the day, stayed at my aunt and uncle's house that night and they didn't have Wifi. When I posted was the first time I'd checked, voted Roxas off, etc.

    As for Yoshi, I never "defended him" as I still thought him the most likely to be guilty. In one of the more recent games, he was acting similarly and we all jumped on the bandwagon only for him to be innocent. In my experience with him, the way he plays just naturally makes people suspicious of him. I still agreed with the suspicions on him and still voted him off. I don't think anyone who actually reads the posts yesterday would say that I defended him.

    As for you, just because you explained why you're playing like that doesn't automatically absolve you from guilt. I think I have a right to be suspicious of you. I lowered my suspicion of you only because you have been helpful to the town, not because your strategy was all of the sudden better.

    because why would they reveal which strategies they were using?

    They wouldn't? I said that because I'm trying to figure out what the Mafia is doing, same as you. I don't really see what was wrong with that.

    I was aggressive against you because you were the most suspicious. I hadn't been aggressive before that because I hadn't been able to get on. I didn't push it for that long and I wasn't that hesitant to get onboard lynching Yoshi.

    As for consensus, again I've explained the Roxas thing already, I waited for the role reveal because often people don't agree with the strategy (if you'll notice we still have many people who have not claimed). As for voting for Trever it wasn't a town consensus I wanted but a response from him, and I got that, so I voted form him.

    Happy?

    August 21, 2012
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    White Thunder

    White Thunder, your initial vote for Day 3 strikes me as suspicious:

    Yesterday the suspicion switched to Yeano at the end. I think that was fair. I will put my vote on him while awaiting everybody else.


    To me it looks like a hasty effort by a Mafia member to take advantage of suspicions from the previous night to try to get a townie lynched quickly. You retracted your vote when it was obvious it wasn't gaining traction with everyone else. I hadn't really given this much thought before, but that was probably because I was still suspicious of Yeano at that point.

    Also, while Xhin was taking the lead against Trever (by voting for him thirty times {:P}), it seemed like everyone else casting votes for him were doing so with some reluctance, except for you who almost seemed eager to get it done:

    I agree, let's give Trever one more chance to respond before we lynch his brains out.


    I could be looking too much into that, I'll admit, but it is something that stuck out to some extent to me.

    August 21, 2012
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    Jo Nathan

    Oh, and I'll hold onto my vote for now. I'll probably pick my final vote before tomorrow since Day 3 is nearing its end.

    August 21, 2012
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    Jo Nathan

    Eager? Xhin made some good points but I was willing to let him explain himself once more before lynching him, which is more than can be said for you, MM9, or Redack.

    August 21, 2012
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    White Thunder

    You know what Xhin... I'm just going to ignore you from now on {:P}

    I'm voting Yeano, he's still at the top of my list even after answering my question.

    I'll let everyone else decide what they want to do.

    August 21, 2012
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    Redack

    And for the record, the list of people who haven't claimed anything are:

    CtR Black, Frustro, Redack, Kyon, Count Dooku, Shadowwalked.

    Claiming by this round would be a huge help.


    I'm the gambler! I love to gamble!

    August 21, 2012
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    Redack

    I'm actually going to vote for White Thunder.

    August 21, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    Happy?

    No.

    August 21, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    it seemed like everyone else casting votes for him were doing so with some reluctance, except for you who almost seemed eager to get it done:

    That's exactly what made me suddenly rethink white thunder, yeah. I forgot to put that in my wall of text.

    If I'm wrong about this and I'm still alive next round, I'll vote for Yeano.

    August 21, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    If I'm wrong about this and I'm still alive next round, I'll vote for Yeano.


    Or we vote for you {duck}...

    .. But nah. Anyway, I'll cast my vote for White Thunder, for similar reasons as my suspicions of Jo. Also, should it still be considered a distinct possibility that Mafia members could be hiding among the inactive members? I still don't want to start discarding them freely, but I also don't want to be overly cautious, and end up giving one a free ride to the end. Isn't that what happened with Zanic in the last game?

    August 21, 2012
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    Frustro

    Xhin, do you play Poker? It strikes me that you could make a fortune with the way you read people.

    I missed the middle of this round, but with time running out, I'll do what I usually hate doing and blindly jump on the bandwagon.

    Feral votes for White Thunder

    August 21, 2012
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    Feral

    No sir, he failed this time. Well, if my goose is cooked, go ahead and lynch Xhin tomorrow is my advice and rid yourselves of him. Pulled the suspicion of me out of nowhere, and I think he's using his "strategy" to disguise his guilt. Ah well.

    August 21, 2012
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    White Thunder

    "Mountain out of a molehill" comes to mind.

    August 21, 2012
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    White Thunder

    Xhin, do you play Poker? It strikes me that you could make a fortune with the way you read people.

    No he'd lose a fortune. He's reading people all wrong.

    August 22, 2012
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    Redack

    My apologies if you turn out to be innocent. I'm not 100% convinced you're guilty, but I'm more suspicious of you than anyone else right now. {:?}

    August 22, 2012
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    Jo Nathan

    Me brain hurt.
    I honestly don't know who seems more suspicious right now or not and then with time winding down, there's not much ways to sway...
    So I'm just going to jump on the "bandwagon" as well, as much as I don't want to, just to prove I am the Double Voter.

    And what Frustro said. We'd just be wiping each other out one by one if it turned out one of the inactive people was Mafia. Then again, the same thing could happen if they are in fact Townies...

    August 22, 2012
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    Female Alpha Wolf

    But then again, the way Xhin just goes around and around in this game makes me wary of trusting anything that he says. I almost feel like he's covering something up.

    So for now

    August 22, 2012
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    Female Alpha Wolf

    Ugh this feels kinda weird but

    August 22, 2012
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    Female Alpha Wolf

    I'm sorry but i dont like xhin's strategy of flip flopping until he finds someone that everyone else thinks is suspicious. i was with him with the trever thing cause of his arguments about the role reveal and defending back yoshi, but this is becoming ridiculous. how far are you guys willing to follow this guy?

    August 22, 2012
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    CtR Black

    I think we've gained all the useful information we're going to get today.

    August 22, 2012
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    Yeano

    Eh eh. Thanks CtR and Red for not falling for Xhin's trap. Too bad everybody else was swayed. Moving forward for the town, my guess is that Xhin is mafia, and it's possible that the rest of the mafia is in the pool of those who voted for me. Good luck guys, I'll be rooting for you, if only to get my winning point {:P}

    August 22, 2012
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    White Thunder

    To be honest, if White Thunder ends up being innocent (which I feel like he will be), my suspicion of Xhin is gonna get even bigger.

    August 22, 2012
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    Female Alpha Wolf

    which I feel like he will be

    ... any particular reason that you're voting for me then?

    August 22, 2012
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    White Thunder

    CtR just shot up a few points on the guilty meter. Yes, I agree that you guys need to lynch me at some point because I seem to keep swaying votes around and it's generally a good idea to figure out whether the guy who's doing that is guilty or not. I'm just a regular townie so it's no real loss.

    I am sticking with White Thunder this time, but moving forward I'd advise you guys to keep an eye on Redack, especially if Yeano turns out to be innocent. I don't yet suspect Yeano myself, but I'll follow the crowd on that one if I'm still alive tomorrow.

    If White Thunder IS mafia, then CtR black probably is too. Possibly Redack as well. I'm still not completely sold on Trever's innocence either but like MM9 I'm willing to sweep it under the rug for the time being.

    August 22, 2012
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    I guess I'm voting for White Thunder because Xhin told me to.

    CtR Black, Frustro, Redack, Kyon, Count Dooku, Shadowwalked.

    I'm a townie. I've also not had a chance to read much this game because I'm in class from 7 to 7, and then I usually feel like death once class ends.

    August 22, 2012
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    Shadowwalked

    Xhin's suspicions on WT, even if it proves to be wrong, it's at least not completely out of left field and the reasoning is somewhat sound. For that my sususpicion of Xhin has gone down. Still, WT is not acting like the typical accused Mafioso. I'm not sold on his guilt. I'm sure someone will give the last vote to do him in, but it won't be me. With Yoshi, I had confidence in his guilt - this time, I don't. If he proves to be Mafia I'll smack myself later, but otherwise I'll sleep easier knowing I didn't shoot down an innocent man.

    August 22, 2012
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    Trever Leingod

    CtR just shot up a few points on the guilty meter.

    So when Trever counter accuses you he's guilty, when you counter accuse CTR you're not?

    I'd advise you guys to keep an eye on Redack, especially if Yeano turns out to be innocent.

    So now we're accusing me? Given that Thunder is going to turn out innocent, and I'm confident he will because I know my reading of him is a lot better than yours, should we pay you the same curtesy?

    Your so called strategy is flawed because all you're doing is randomly picking from the town. Accusing them and if they look at you funny you're going on a witch hunt against them. What's worse is the rest of the town is blindly following you rather than coming to their own conclusions and it's getting ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that the mafia have no doubt jumped onboard for the ride because anyone who dares oppose Xhin must be mafia.

    When we find Thunder is innocent, and we will, I'd suggest we lynch you to end this stupid strategy and start actually targeting people like Yeano who so clearly is in the mafia!

    August 22, 2012
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    Redack

    I have suspicions of White Thunder but I can't say I'm convinced enough to really vote him off just because everyone else is. But I'm especially not comfortable riding a bandwagon that's being driven by someone who will condemn anyone who questions him.

    CtR Black has barely even said anything this whole game and Xhin was suspecting him before this whole disagreement about White Thunder anyway. I'm curious as to which of his 2 to 4 comments (I don't have an exact count) made him seem suspicious to Xhin?

    Also, if Female Alpha Wolf was the double voter, wouldn't the round be over at this point? It still doesn't confirm whether she's the double voter if she's not the last one who votes.

    Anyway, I'm taking my vote back.

    August 22, 2012
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    Jo Nathan

    For what it's worth, your vote change was pointless @ Trever.

    Feral voted from mobile gtx0 and thus didn't show up in the vote tally. FAW voted White Thunder as well, and since she's the double voter, the round was over when Shadowwalked voted.

    August 22, 2012
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    MajorasMask9

    Ah I see. I figured hezekiah had to manually end the round but I wasn't sure.

    August 22, 2012
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    Jo Nathan

    I figured hezekiah had to manually end the round but I wasn't sure.

    He does, but it officially ends the moment the votes reach whatever is the cut-off for that day. So sometimes you reach a situation where the day round seemingly continues longer than it should, but any votes that occur after the cut-off was reached don't count (this includes vote changes).

    August 22, 2012
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    Redack

    Night 3

    Exhausted, the town staggered to their homes after a long and drama-filled day of argument brought to a merciful end by Shadowwalked. They went to sleep, trying to shake off the fact that White Thunder was the Drug Dealer.

    Roster
    1. Yeano
    2. White Thunder - Drug Dealer
    3. chiefsonny - ???
    4. Feral
    5. white lancer - ???
    6. Frustro
    7. Kyon
    8. CtR Black
    9. Xhin
    10. Count Dooku
    11. MajorasMask9
    12. `Roxas` - Evil Twin
    13. Black Yoshi - Thug
    14. Trever Leingod
    15. Zanic - Good Twin
    16. Female Alpha Wolf
    17. Redack
    18. Jo Nathan
    19. Shadowwalked

    Known Mafia-Town ratio: 3-12
    Lazy Janitor, Thug, Mafioso, Evil Twin, Good Twin, Distracted Doctor, Drug Dealer, Double-Voter, Orange Agent, Gambler, Townie

    24 hours or until all night actions have been taken.

    August 22, 2012
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    hezekiah

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